The Horror Returns - THR Presents: Stream Fiends - Ep. #53: Lords of Dogtown (20005)

Episode Date: August 21, 2026

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Hey, listen, we're riding for one of these shops around town, yeah? Banking shop. You're going to have off days. You have an off day writing for this shop? It's treason. Yeah, you got to approach every day like it's your last. Welcome back, everybody, to a brand new episode of THR Present Stream Feans. I'm your host, Brian.

With me, as always, is my brother, Nez. What's up, man? Yo, what is up, everyone? I'm still recovering from San Diego Comic-Con international. 2026. It felt like it was like what almost two weeks ago. Yeah. And I'm dragging still. I'm just like maybe it's just this heat here in Northern California. But man, was it the same amount of people? Pretty much. Was it more? Um, there was, I mean, it was sold out. So you assume it's just the same million people that are there, plus everyone outside. But this year is, panels are just like hall age other than the doomsday one and space balls too it wasn't even that i'm thinking about and there was nothing really huge my apple had uh showcased whatever

they got coming and i think amazon did something yeah none of the the big studios did anything I mean, the biggest one was the Marvel one with Doomsday and all that and the announcement of, what's his face? Andy from Romulus is going to be the next Black Panther. Which I'm cool with that. Yeah. I tried watching Wakanda forever again and I just, nothing against Shiri, but it's just, no, I just wasn't. I guarantee when we get to Black Panther 3, there's going to be a time jump. There has to be because they said Secret Wars is going to essentially reboot the franchise.

Well, it has to. Did you see Spider-Man yet? Yeah. If you guys haven't seen it yet, fast forward a couple of minutes. All right. Five, four, three, two, one. I figured that, yeah, they were going to do something like that because Gene Gray is a teenager.

I don't know. 20, maybe. Yeah, because it's four or five years since the last Spider-Man. So they would be in their early 20s. Yeah, so I'm just like, okay. And then I was pissed. pissed at how old is this chick

she's 24 yeah she's 24 so okay I guess jean is 24 maybe 23 when they filmed this probably would I mean nothing against her I thought she had a good she was a good character

and I was shocked I didn't know it was going that route I was really trying to stay away from everything yeah shoot this was a dark version of her yeah so I was just really just kind of staying away from all of whatever they were gonna do in it the movie was good I did enjoy it I did like the little montage they had with some of the the bad guys

like the lower level yeah and they based it off of all these classic amazing spider-man covers uh the one with tombstone when he was holding holding a spider-man off uh over the off of a thing a metal beam or something up high yeah shout out to crondon west coast rapper played tombstone yeah and um tarantula is that his name they show him really quick yeah but the thing that piss me off the most was scorpion the the the Those you listen to East Side, those you know me on personal level, everyone knows my favorite villain in the Spider-Man universe is Scorpion. And they, we see him in the trailer.

So I was like, fuck yeah. I just assumed he was going to be the main bad guy through this whole thing. He was the only in it for not even five minutes. But I feel like they're just introducing these characters that are going to make up the Sinister Six. I know, but I was just like, man, when we first find out that nacho is going to be Scorpion, what was his name, Michael Mando? Yeah. From Better Call Saul.

I was like, all right, because we find that out in the first Spider-Man, Homecoming. At the end of that when he's talking a vulture in prison. Or then we see him on that boat, too, when they were trying to buy some. kind of high-tech stuff. And then you got the scorpion tattoo on his neck. Yeah, so I was like, oh, hell yeah. But then we had two other movies. No Scorpion.

We had Mysterio and all the old villains that came back and No Way Home. And then I'm like, all right, good. The first trailer, first little teaser comes out, or one of the first or second, I can't remember. We see Scorpion, and I'm like, hell yeah. And then we see him in action. in the movie, I'm like, sweet. You couldn't slap a helmet or something on him? Mask?

I was like, oh. I liked how he looked, though. I liked this little scorpion tail, high-tech. Yeah, like he was controlling it with his arm. Yeah. I thought that was cool, but I was just like, oh, man. I just... I think they're just saving him, because at least they didn't kill him.

Yeah. Because that scene where... Peter almost went full of spider with his mutation and he was about to kill him. So, I mean, it was a good movie, everyone. I mean, stay at the very end of the credits. There's only one credit scene if you haven't seen it or you don't know. But, I mean, other than that, everybody else that was in, it was cool. Did it had no idea if Florence Pug was going to pop up in it.

So that actually got spoiled to me. I didn't not know any of that. I didn't even know the whole drink. gray thing. I knew that said he was in it, but I just figured she was going to be some some little random teenager or something and

I was like, oh, okay, cool, right on, but then I was like, wait, in this universe, the X men are still kids, or I don't know. I mean, this isn't the this isn't the earth that

Peter was in, because if you guys remember at the end of No Way Home, they Dr. Strange did that thing and basically wiped everybody's mind and so nobody knows who's, or nobody knows Spider-Man is Peter Parker. One person knew. That was the Hulk. He did?

When he was Savage Hulk. He remembered? Yeah, remember when he was about to like crush his head? Oh. And he said, I'm your, it's me, Peter, your friend. Yeah, all right. That spelled didn't work for, the Hulk

I'm glad we didn't have Smart Hulk or whatever because I did not like that They tried for a second Yeah but I hated that It just I'm like

What the hell is this What was that? Endgame? Yeah Yeah I was like I didn't Nothing against Mark Ruffel He's a good actor

But I was just I did not like no smart Hulk when it just turned into just full-on rage Hulk, I was in. But he's only in a minimal. But, yeah, I think those are the only, my main gripe was Scorpion. I was, I was pissed off at all that.

I was like, man, but I see what we're setting up for. From what I'm understanding, Spider-Man's not even going to be in Doomsday. I'm going to call it. he's going to be in the end credit scene. He would have to. Because they said he's going to be in Secret Wars, definitely. I figured it would be like how Infinity War was.

Everyone disappears. But, I mean, I need to go and read Secret Wars 2015 because I know the 80s secret war. That was a hashtag my Secret Wars. But when I was a kid, so I assume we're not getting in any. that but um i just i need to go read that whole story again because i i don't remember it at all so we'll see but they they said they are basing it off that will it be exactly like that probably not but they'll that's the the blueprint from what i understand i don't know i could be wrong but i'm gonna get that book again and read it because i i know i have it

somewhere in my comics but i there's too many comic books i don't know i'm I don't want to dig through it all. I just kind of want the paper trade. So I'll just get that one. But I'm ready for it. Dune's day, I was hyped. I sucked. I mean, there was no way we were getting in Hall-LH.

Because Friday night, they gave out the bracelets for Hall-Ach, but you still had to stand in line if you wanted to be close. If you didn't care where you were, I mean, you could have just walk in with your bracelet on. we did get into hall lights though after the doomsay panel because Kevin Smith every Saturday night at Comic-Con he does his uh his little spiel of comedy and storytelling so that's always a good time I mean that that you can just walk right in so but oh give you some horror I went to the uh the neither living dead panel um the original night of living dead pull my book out because they were talking about Night of the Living Dead,

the official story of the film. It's a book by Simon Rod or Bound or whatever. It's a hard covered book and I got to meet what's her nuts? Judith O'Day, I think that's her name.

She played Barbara. So, I mean, that was really cool. She was there. Told a lot of stories about what went on on the set and how everybody was cool with one another and talked about Ben,

Duane the Duane Jones is that his name? Yeah. Talked about him on how he was such a cool guy and everything.

So, and I got my book signed. It was after the panel. They said, we're selling this book down at whoever,

whoever, I guess Image 10. No, Titan books. They had a booth. They said they're down there.

So go down there. And if you buy a book, she'd sign. it for you. So I was like, hell yeah. So as soon as the panel was over, I hobbled down there as fast as I could. And for those of you that didn't know, I had a broken toe, a fractured toe in two spots on my big toe. And I still went and just soldiered through it. But damn, it hurt every day when we were done. But yeah, the panel, the Not Living Dead panel was really cool. I mean, and meeting Judith O'Day, she was so nice.

It wasn't just like a, here, just sign your book and take a picture. All right. See you. She sat there and would answer your questions and talk to you. I must stood there for about, probably 20 minutes in line. But when I got up to talk to her, I talked to her. It was probably about seven or eight minutes. I got to stand there and talk to her.

So it was really cool, man. I did tell her. I said, neither living dead is the movie that introduced me to horror. It's the first horror movie I ever seen. I said when I was little, she's like, dang, how old were you? I said, I would say around four or five, she went, your parents let you watch that? I was like, no, I'm my babysitter. He asked me and my brother, you guys want to watch a scary movie?

And we went, yeah, and he put on creature features with Bob Wilkins as a host for those you to live in the bay. For you, if you were old enough to remember that show. And I said, yeah, I sat there and watched it. And I was just, when it was over, I wanted more. I said, I kind of didn't understand it at first, but once they're eating everyone, I was like, what the hell is this? I said, I just wanted more and more of that. So she was like, wow, she goes, that's an awesome story.

Thank you for telling me that. So, but yeah, she was so cool. She's up there in age, but if you guys go to a horror con or whatever, and she's there, definitely go up there and talk to her because she will just, Let you know all your questions. Because yeah, she answered questions during the panel. And they did a, I guess they were filming it for something. And they had all of us say, we're coming to get you, Barbara.

They're coming to get you, Barbara. And it was like the whole room said it. So that was really cool when they filmed that. But, I mean, that was probably the highlight of my week in San Diego. I mean, we had a blast at everything we were doing. but to meet her and be at that panel. I didn't even know that panel was happening. Mike's the one that told me.

He was like, dude, you need to go Night of Living Dead panel. I was, I don't want, wait, what? So I had to look it up. And I guess that's the first time they brought Night of Living Dead, the original film, to Comic Con. So it wasn't in a big room. It was about medium size. But it was cool.

I got there early enough and I was right in the front row. So I had a blast going to that. and oh also going to the wwee Mattel panel that was cool usually with that they talk about all their toys all the figures that are coming

then they bring out the wrestlers this time it was different they brought all the wrestlers out right at the beginning then they started talking about what was coming Danhausen was there Lash Legend AJ

C.M. Punk and I know I sent you all those pictures Who else was there? I think that was it. Let me see, I got to go back and Yeah, last legend, Seampunk.

Oh, Ray Mysterio and Mr. Iguana and Yesca, they were there. You watch SummerSlam yet? Yeah. We got some stuff to discuss. Yeah. wait for that episode everyone I mean my my complaints were the first day so but we'll we'll get into that

but yeah it was a cool to go to that um I kind of lucked out getting into that one I got there as early as I could but the line was like down the hall I was someone oh man because I was like well where's the end of this line and one of the guys went way back there and I was like uh Because lately the room, I mean, every year the room has been getting bigger for this panel. So I was like, okay. So we got in there for some panel that was before it. But, I mean, nobody even cared. Everybody was in there for all the wrestling marks.

So we had to sit through whatever panel that was before it. I don't even remember what it was. I was just sitting there. But anyway, before, I was like, oh, man, I want to stand way back there because I had a shit seat. so right when I was standing kind of close to the front one of the I guess ushers or whatever was like hey are you guys he said something in abbreviation some letters and the two guys that were standing next to me

went yeah we are so I wasn't sure I think it was one of those I wouldn't say deaf people or something because they sat in that front row where the sign language guy was. And then when that guy was like, all of you right here? And I was standing right next to him. And the dude in front of me, he didn't even turn around. He just went, yeah. And so, okay,

you guys get in this line. You guys are going to go in first. So I was just standing there. And I didn't say anything. And he was like, yeah, man, come on. Let's go. I was like, fuck yeah. So I just went in. And I was like, I rushed the front, but they already got there. But I was in the third row. But I still had a good seat.

I was right there. I wasn't like way in the back. so but I didn't know what he what the whatever abbreviation he said but then he just said yeah man come on you you're with them I went okay so I just I didn't say anything I just rolled right in so I got up a third row and my buddy and his girlfriend were there he's a wrestling mark a shout out to I am DJ thrills he he called me he was where are you are you in the panel I said yeah I'm inside him in the third row hurry up I got two seats so they they finally came in and it was a blast Dan Housin is hell of funny. He just, it was just joke after joke after joke in one-liners.

That's all he was doing. I know some people don't like him because they just hate him for, I guess, his comedy or whatever. But I don't have an issue with him. He's funny. I like him in the ring and the mini-Housins and all that. Oh, we're really getting into that one because I was excited when someone came out. but oh yeah other than that i mean uh i went to some other panels but um i think neither the living was probably the best one and then wwee but a lot of small press uh stuff and uh books book panels i went to

oh there was one i went to with the high i was waiting for the panel after it so i got in there and there was this older lady and these two older guys they were talking about their history and comics and when they were working, it was like way, way back in the day. The lady was like, I wasn't even allowed to be in the same room with all the male artists or anything. They just wanted me in the back. They wanted me to stay in the kitchen or stay in the mail room. They said, and I can't remember what year she said.

She goes, that was the time where women couldn't do anything. But she was talking about it. I could draw circles around. everyone that worked at whatever comic publishing, uh, she was working at. And she goes, I was in the day where they go, Hey, Tuts, go get me a couple coffee.

And I would have to get up and go get it for him. I was like, wow. So she goes, man, we've, we've come a long way. And I'm glad those times were over with. But I did. She goes, I made it through that. And here I am today. I'm still doing artwork.

And she started just going off on all the, the comics and everything. think she is done. So, but I was like, wow, that was, it was an interesting story. That was one of the panels I just went in because I was waiting for the next one and I thought it was a good one. So, but you kind of forget all that until you hear it on how women were treated way back in the day. So, but it was, we had a good time, spent way too much money, but that's what I always do every year. But we had a blast. So, but, all right, man. Enough of all.

all that. What are we doing? We are here to talk about 2005's Lords of Dogtown Sports Drama. Let's see, Google, what you got? Lords of Dogtown 2005 is a

biographical drama directed by Catherine Hardwick about the Z-boys, a group of teenage surfers from Venice, California who revolutionized skateboarding in the 1970s by adapting their surfing style to

empty swimming pools during a drought. The film based on a true story follows the rise of skaters. Tony Alba, Jay Adams, and Stacy Peralta. Their success

with the Zephyr's street team and the subsequent strain on their friendships as the sport became commercialized. Okay. That was a weird CIM TV guys

Really quick I'll read the one that I found on Google A drought in the 1970s southern California Has an unexpected side effect As people emptied a swimming pool As a group of teen surfers from the dog From the dog town area of Venice Beach Move in with skateboards

And a new sport is born Based on a true story of this film Follow Z-Boy's skate team member Stacey Peralta Tony Aval and Jay Adams Plus manager Skip Inglam, I think that was his name, and as a fearless pool surfing leaders to fame, fortune, and misfortune.

The IMDV is much shorter. The film follows the surfing, skateboarding trends that originated in Venice, California, during the 1970s. Okay. Director is Catherine Hardwick, writer is Stacey Peralta, this stars Heath Ledger,

E. M. Hirsch, Victor Russoot, what else we got? John Robinson, Rebecca DeMorne, William Moffmer,

Julio Oscar, Machoso, Nikki Reed, Michael and Garanaro. I'm butchering these names. What's their name from Superstore?

America Ferrer. A bunch of other people. Yeah. Nez, what did you think? Lords of Dogtown. All right, really quick. Before you guys, for those of you that don't know,

this movie was based off of the 2001 documentary directed by Stacy Peralta, Dogtown and Z-Boys. They took a lot of the stories from this, and then they just turned it into a movie. but the Zephyr's surf team and surf shop down in Venice and Dogtown run by Skip Inglem and his band of crew started a skateboard team. So that's pretty much where this came from.

If you guys have only seen the movie and you haven't seen the documentary, documentary goes into a lot more of this. The movie, they just picked and chose what they needed. They needed and turned it into a movie. But the movie, I love this movie. This movie's awesome. I really loved it. I liked that these guys, the actors had to learn how to skateboard. I mean, they weren't doing all the, when they were riding the pools and everything.

But the majority of it was them on their boards. Plus the other members of the Z team, a lot of them were professional skateboarders because they wasn't just the main jay. Adams, Tony Alva and Stacey Peralta and Sid. Sid, that character they

based it off a real character, a person, but he wasn't a guy that was hanging out with them. It was just a kid that had cancer and he had the cool swimming pool that he emptied and let them skate it. And they kind of made him his role bigger

in the film. So, but um, He's Ledger. He played, he did a really good job. Academy Award winner, Heath Ledger. He did a really good job at Skip Engel. I really loved him. From what I understand, he did study the real guy, Skip, talked to him, kind of learned how he was, his body movement was and how his speech was. He really sounded the way he was. Some people were like, what was matter with Heath Ledger? Do you have something in his mouth? But to talk that way, and they're like, that was what he came up with, hanging out with. with um skip uh amyl hirsch i he's a good actor he's been in a ton of things i thought he did a really good job as j adams uh victor rossack as tony alva um i've seen that kid in a bunch of other things but yeah he was pretty good he portrayed uh tony good and john robinson he portrayed a stacy peralta i thought he did a good job but out of those main three that they kind of

focus this story on. I thought Emil Hirsch as Jay Adams. He was an all-star of this film. Beautiful Nikki Reed. She was Kathy Alva. It was Tony Alva's sister. I did like her. I met her once. It was during all

the twilight stuff at Comic-Con. And she was signing posters and just kind of walking down the line for Hall H. And everyone was like, oh my God, I loved you. And I think that movie, she wrote 13. they were going off about that and some other thing

and she was kind of going okay yeah yeah whatever and signing posters but I said I loved you in Lord the Dogtown she actually stopped and looked at me and looked up at me and was like oh thank you so much a lot of people don't know I'm in that movie I said I didn't know you were either

until you popped up on the screens you were like oh thank you so she was really cool if you guys ever get to meet her but yeah this movie was awesome I saw it in the theater when it first came out and uh i had no idea they were making this movie because i just knew the documentary i went to the go see whatever and they showed a trailer for it i was like oh shit so it was really

cool but i loved what they did turning old southern california venice beach back to 90 or 70 style on how it looked i'll give it to all these skateboarders that were in it uh the stunt performers and the real skaters these guys had to learn how to ride those old 70 style skateboards it's not I mean I probably could have two tick but it man I'm so used to how the boards are now I mean these are just basically a little flat planks of wood uh until they started making plastic skateboards I mean that's what I started on I started on a plastic one and I was so used to that but when the boards got bigger i was like wow man these are awesome these are even better than what we had

but what these guys were on basically they were just rolling on pieces of plywood with uh clay wheels this was uh they introduced the uh the the urethane wheel in this and everything but the boards they were riding were so skinny uh wood then they went plastic and then they went back to wood and everything but i thought this was a really good uh small little history lesson of what went on there i'm sure they embellished some of it to give it the the the drama factor but i i really liked what was happening i liked how the the actual real real actors were were skating um but they all the hard tricks and everything and i know that wasn't them so whoever they got to to do it um they matched them up perfectly on how they were looking

or who knows maybe they might have just added their faces to someone else but i thought this movie was amazing i really loved it um i've watched this movie countless times but uh it was awesome film man i just loved everything that was going on i loved the the story that was based off of a stacy parrata's documentary um it was awesome i mean it was really good i mean i know it's sad to see heath ledger because he's no longer with us but these roles that he picks, man, they're just, they're awesome. He picks, I mean, people didn't know, really know about this, this movie or didn't, and a lot of people don't even know this story.

You can watch this. I mean, even if you don't skateboard, you can still watch this film and get some of enjoyment out of it. And I loved all the cameos from the original Z-Boys team. Tony Alvo was in it. Stacey Peralta was in it. Jay Adams was in it. The real Skip Anglam, he was in it.

Red Dog, he was in it. Then some of the new skaters, they had Tony Hawk. He was in a Christian Osoy, Lance Mountain. And I'm sure some other pro skateboarders did, doubled for the characters, as well as some of the other side characters that were all, like, there was a lot of skateboard contests in this. So they had real skateboarders out, professional skateboarders out there. They're doing it.

Of course we got Johnny Knoxville. I mean, it was cool to see him pop up into this film. But yeah, man, when was the first time you saw it? I seen this in the theater when it originally came out. I didn't know nothing about it, took a chance on it, loved it ever since. I think the acting's phenomenal in it. I loved the story. Like you said, it's a little bit of a history lesson.

Going back, finding out this stuff. and the cast is amazing. Really quick, and these synopsises, they say skateboarding is a sport. That's a touchy subject for really hardcore rippers like myself. Yeah, isn't that just like the commercialized version of it? Yeah, I mean, this kind of tackles a little bit of that to where money and fame and everything came in.

I mean, because they were saying, I mean, there was no, there was no video VHS of stuff. I mean, if you filmed anything, it was with those little, uh, super eight cameras where you had to use actual film,

not, uh, you can just slap in a VHS tape and all that. I mean, so this was all way before anyone that has a handheld camera in your hand or phone in your pocket. So, I mean,

I liked how they did that. Because they were, when, the actual attention to the Z-boys and everything got in the magazines and everything it was they were saying it was pretty much

over with everyone found out about the Z-boys after they there was no more Z-boys team so I mean that's how it was moving back in those days so I mean in a lot of this

time period rolling in the 80s a lot of it was if you wanted to be famous you had to be a top skater in these contests I mean because in one of those other

Bones Brigade documentary anthology documentary Tony Hogg said you you're not going to get any publicity be it pictures and photos or photos in the magazines if you're not one of the top skaters if you're not number one

or two or in the top ten I mean these guys I mean they became famous just not overnight I mean like I said the fame

and the who they were didn't really come out until later so it was it was like these guys all knew each other locals knew them and probably if you were in a contest

and you knew who the Z boys were that's how people knew them but once it got to the magazines and everything it was kind of over with And I did like that they did go into somewhat of a little small story of it when when money and all that starts rolling into this, how it just ruined everything. I have, if you guys watch that Tony Alva documentary, he does say some stuff like that. He's like, yeah, man, fame and fortune and all that kind of messes up anyone. I mean, there's plenty of documentaries.

She's watch Stoked, the rise and fall of a gator to where he was just some little punk kid skater, punk skater. Is that the one that killed somebody? Yeah, he became. I've seen that one. He, the fame, the money and fame got to his head. And then when all that was gone, he didn't know how to take it anymore. And he kind of just went off the deep end. That documentary is so good.

Like, I had known nothing about it. the skater or the person. Yeah. It was just one of those, like, throw something on. I was locked in, like, from start to finish. Yeah. If you guys haven't seen that, it's called Stoke, the Rising Fall of Gator. It's on YouTube.

And another good one to check out is Rising Sun, the legend of Christian Osoy. That's a really good one. He's got a story to tell. Just ripping money, fame, chicks. and then he fell into drugs and went to prison and all she was just crazy and his but he's still with us he found Jesus when he was in prison and uh he's living the best life he can he's still out there ripping too man he's probably all these all these legends that I grew up with and they're all in their 60s and they're still out there doing it so but this film was really cool

man it did kind of remind me of how my friends and I were just always always together always skateboarding and everything these guys were surfers before they became skateboarders and i and i liked how they did this i liked the um the effects that they used they had had to build a lot of these sets because i i can't remember the name of the pier where it was they got there was a big fire and it kind of fell apart and uh but they they called it the cove and they they got to surf there and everything but it was one of those places where it was like locals only. Like if you weren't a local, you couldn't just show up to this basically a little private skate spot between these two broke down piers.

I like that. I mean, I've been to places where it was skating-wise where it was like locals only. You see that. Yeah, even within the locals, there was like a system that you started from the bottom. you had to work your way in. Yeah, because at the beginning of this, we see them surfing. And one of the guys, Chino, he basically, basically telling them, look, you got to earn this.

You can't just get out and get on the waves. So they had them all doing stuff. They had Jay in parking lot detail because they told him, because they told him, was, yeah, man, you're parking lot. Keep it local. And then they had Stacey go out. in the bone yard basically

the pillars that are holding up the pier they had to he had to stay over there in case one of these the OGs lost their board I don't want to stay no dings yeah he basically told them

you need to stop it before he hits anything so and then Tony they I don't know they think they had him like cleaning up or something because he was running around picking up trash and everything but I liked how they I don't know how long they were doing

that but they finally got their turn to to go out there and surf so they let them go and then uh we see j he's ripping it uh tony's ripping it but then stacey gets on his board and wipes out and they basically said oh man yeah you're no good get back to the bone yard so he had to go back under the pier and stay under there and watch their boards um stacey in the documentary he does go into the story on how they treated him because he was he was a local but

I don't know I guess there's just always that one person and everyone picks on it. So I just assumed he was it. Because they kind of made it seem like his home life was a lot better than everybody else's. That's what I figured. Because Tony they

they are they all in and Jay was probably the worst one out of all of them his mom Rebecca de morne beautiful woman they made her look rough in this one too especially how she looked when she was in

the factory putting it out of the lamps and she was all far out man yeah I didn't know if she was just on acid or something she just seemed like she was drugged out all the time oh and she was with the one one dude that was leaving. He mentioned that she's crazy.

Yeah. So. But they, they kind of just give you the small little, uh, the little story of, of, um, skip and his,

uh, the Zephyr surf shop. And how they started this, the skate team. Basically, all these guys were just little local, uh, grommists that grew up in dog town and they all,

just wanted to be a part of the escaping, skate team. Basically, if you had that Zephyr surf shop t-shirt man that was like that meant you were the shit and it was also something like that you couldn't just go in there and buy a Zephyr shirt

and throw it on you had to be from that neighborhood you had to be one of them yeah the name carried weight because when they're when they get their shirts later and they'd go tell like you know even the adults are like excited for them

yeah I mean, I like this. I mean, they were true that one scene. They were at the surf shop. They were true locals only. Some guy came in and was looking at the boards. And then Skip's kind of like, hi, it's $10 to browse. And he goes, you got $10?

And that guy's like, no. And then Chino walks up on him. Then why'd you come into my shop, asshole? And basically kicked him out. And Chino's like, go shop in the valley, kook. And just throw them out. And yeah. And this scene is.

when they they were all introduced into urethane wheels. They still make urethane wheels today. I do have a pair. They're more for the softer wheels and they're more for like just cruising, for you cruiser boards. But they grip. Yeah. You can climb walls.

But I mean, today's wheels, I'm holding one right now. This is a Spitfire wheel. I don't have my glasses. I think these are, uh, 99s and it is a, I don't have my glasses on. I can't read it, but it's, it's a little smaller wheel, but it's really hard. Um, I like harder wills for, uh, when I'm sliding and everything and all that, but

I mean, you ride whatever you want to ride. You can have hard will, soft wheels, medium wheels, bigger wheels, small wheels. There's, there's all kinds of crazy sizes. But for, for these guys in, in the film, and they, they, they, they were all. mobbing clay wheels. And those, I've ridden clay wheels before on one of my friends' dad's old skateboard.

We're just riding around in the driveway. If that's what you learn on, hey man, you learn how to how to ride it? But I'm like, damn, how the hell did you guys ride on these hard-ass wheels? But, because I started skateboarding

in the late 70s. 78, 79, somewhere around there. and we had soft wheels back then so I'm sure this was a little before my time of ripping up but they I liked how they were just a big tight crew and they had their little spots as some old school yard with banks and I'm pretty sure these these old banks at these schools are they're still there so you if if they are still there or I know some places they put parking blocks and things in it to avoid from everybody skating these things. I don't know why they do that. I mean, we don't go there during school

hours. I mean, I was blessed to have a junior high cross street from my house where I had banks and we skated those things every day. I mean, we go there now and they don't look like much, but for us, no skate parks. We didn't have skate parks back then. Even, but in, During this time in the 70s, they had skate parks. We didn't. I mean, we, we had one skate park, and that was like 50, 60 miles away. It was like an all-day venture to get there. And we had to stay there all day.

We couldn't just go for an hour and then come home. No, it was a mission to get there and skate as long as we could and then be all tired and bleeding and go home. But this was really cool. I loved how they just all, once they, they only had one set of the earthane wheels and they put it on it comes from oil

they put it on the board and everybody was just ripping with those with those wheels I don't even know who that guy was that came in was he trading those wheels for weed isn't it the same guy later

who was like the photographer no that was that wasn't Craig Stessick is the guy that is hanging out with them no it was just some other dude just showed up. Yeah, I guess that's what he was doing. Craig Stessick is a, he's a legend in the skateboarding

world, photographer and all around weirdo. Definitely, if you guys want to see him in action, watch the Bones Brigade Anthology documentary. He's weird. And I've never met the man, but the people that have,

they say, yeah, he's I don't know if he's crazy or he's just different yeah that's just the way he is but he was a really good photographer he's the one that came up with bones brigade and everything but this was the mean but this was cool man i loved the camaraderie these guys had always together always skateboarding so and uh the spots that they had in this i mean there was they didn't really go to skate parks in this thing yet but they were riding banks at schoolyards and then they find some little drainage

ditch where they're all skating and these guys these actors when it was them on the skateboards when you could see that it was the actors they said it was hard to learn how to ride these little skinny boards because when they're just riding back and forth on this on this drainage ditch

it doesn't look like much but I mean if you're not a skateboarder and you don't do this all the time. I'm sure it'd be hard for these actors to learn how to do this. But during this scene when they're riding in it, that's when they

kind of come up with the idea of, let's start a skateboard team. And then they're starting throwing around the idea of making their own skateboards. Because the Zephyr's show was a surf shop. They made surfboards, custom surfboards there.

Yeah, no one guy does say there's more pavement than there is breaks. Yeah. I mean, because I mean, that was true. Because, I mean, they from how they made Skip feel in this or portray him in this, it was like he was out to just get

paid. Yeah, he surfed and he did all that. But he's like, because when they said, maybe we should make a skateboard or may have a skateboard team, I could see some money in this. And they did make money. I mean, he was selling those boards. They were pressing

up plastic, I don't know, whatever they made. made those old banana boards back in the day. So, but they, other than the skateboarding, they did concentrate on the, the human side of each character. Because, yeah, the scene when Jay and Skip and Jay's mom

are in the restaurant and they're eating, and then she's trying to, she gets to check and she's trying to dig around and try to find some money. there was a mistake during this scene this was late 70s I would say mid to late 70s Sid gives her her credit card

and if you look at the credit card it's got that magnetic strip on the back back in those days they didn't have those they had credit cards but you had to for those old schoolers that do remember they had this little

machine type thing you stuck the credit card on there was carbon paper paper under it and you ran this thing across just kind of went look it up if you have no idea what I'm talking about and that's how they printed the number from the from the credit card and the name and everything so did they go into more in the documentary about Sid no they didn't at all they they they did more of him in this and in the documentary they mentioned the

boy that had brain cancer and that his dad let them drain the pool and skate it. But that's about as much as they mentioned. Because I always wanted to know how he got introduced to this crew. I don't know.

Because in a documentary, they just said it was just some kid they knew. So I don't know. He probably was hanging with him or they just knew him. Because I know, I know the Japanese kid, Shogo.

Uh-huh. I know he met Jay because he took an interest in surfing and that's how he ended up meeting Jay and I just wanted to know if there's any more about Sid because he's an interesting character

No If you watch the documentary I mean I've seen it a few times I don't even think they even mentioned the kid's name that that had the cancer

and they were skating his pool because Sid he kind of had a big part in this that might have just been something they made up to push the character along

because yeah the end the end was sad with his decline in his health but the side actors that played the other members of the of the Z-boys I thought they all did a good job

some of them maybe had maybe had a line or two but a lot of them was they just found these kids to go out there and skate. So even a young little Asian girl, she played Peggy. She was,

that was a real character from Z-boys. And I liked her what she was doing. Yeah, the guy that played Shogo, I thought he did a good job. He's a real skateboarder. So when they show him

ripping up and doing things, that really is him. So, but, yeah, this part was cool, though, because when they were giving out the t-shirts and the skateboards, this is when they gave them all brand-new skateboards. They basically ditched all the wood ones and they had the plastic ones. It seemed like Stacey, or Skip didn't really care for Stacey.

Yeah, he said he wasn't one of them. Yeah, he wasn't a pirate. So, I mean, who wears a watch? Yeah. He's got a job, too. See, that's what I'm talking. about. I think he

did he was from the he had to have been from the neighborhood and they wouldn't have been they wouldn't have been they wouldn't let him be one of them. So, but I think he just had a better home life than these guys. Because we see, the only

homes really see is J's. It's just him and single mom. And she's a little weird. We get a little bit of Tony's. Yeah, we get that. I don't know. if his mom was there, we'd just see his dad. Yeah, don't be a ditch digger. Yeah. So that guy,

he's like been in a ton of movies. He's one of those that guys. But I just watched he was just in the dad. He was just in Big Bang Theory. He played a police officer in one episode. I forgot he was in that. But this one,

I love the scenes when they're all just skating down the street. It's like they all got these new boards and they're all like, effort, let's go. And everyone just gets on their boards and takes off, mobbing down the street, just cutting off cars and just making each other fall.

I mean, that's what we did. Thankfully, none of us died doing what we loved. Knock on wood. I mean, I stay out of the street now. But there's times, well, you got to get in the street. But we didn't think about it. cars and buses or anything running us over.

When you're young, you don't think about none of that anyways. Hell no, we didn't. We didn't wear pads. We didn't wear helmets. We should have. I mean, I've rocked my dome plenty of times and broke my hand somehow. I didn't even know I broke it, but I got x-rays one time because I hurt my wrist at work. And the doctor said, hey, when you?

did you break your hand? I was like, what? He showed me the x-ray. You can see that little step on your hand? It was like on one of my, the side of my, where your pinky finger is down the side. He goes, that bone right there. It looks like a step. And I was like, yeah, he goes, that's not supposed to be that way. You broke your hand at some point. And it had to have been from skateboarding. I mean, when you fall, I mean, you slam your hands down. I try to fall on my hands first And I'm just years and years of doing that

I assume it broke or fractured somewhere But I didn't I just must have not felt it Or didn't bother me I mean like I said I've rocked my dome plenty of times But when I get older When I ride out in the parks like that I yeah the pools mainly

I said I have a helmet on I'm just save this little since I got left. But, I mean, these scenes when they're just mobbing down the street, I mean, it was, that was us, man. We did that. You want to see a good movie?

It was directed by Larry Clark. What the hell was it called? What's up, Rockers? If you guys haven't seen that film, it's a story about these little Mexican skateboarders. in L.A. And

it came out to 2005. I don't see if it's streaming anywhere. But that film, that was us. A bunch of little brown kids, red kids, Indian kids, Mexican kids,

skaters. Just living in life. Skateboarding, had a band, getting at chicks. Yeah, this movie's pretty awesome. If you guys haven't seen it,

definitely check it out. I don't see that it's streaming anywhere, but I'm sure. Larry Clark movie. Yeah. It's probably not streaming. It's not like kids or anything or bully. It's not, it gets wild, but it ain't as wild as kids and bully.

But it's a really, really good film. Definitely check out what's up rockers. But, but yeah, I mean, the scenes when they're just mobbing down the street, having a good time, man. The first time watching this film, I was like, man I mean I miss those days I mean a lot of my buddies still do skate but none of them

live where I live at but when I go back home to Oakland I always hook up with them and we just either mob down the streets our old old neighborhoods or go to skate parks mainly the skate parks because now that they're everywhere we go there and I mean I roll around I'm not

flipping the board or doing anything like that I'm just I have fun just going fast especially in the pools so but yeah that during that scene after them all mobbing down the street, they all kind of end up at Jay's house. This is when we find out that,

uh, uh, uh, uh, Jay's mom's boyfriend was moving out. You know, the guy's, Tom Cruise's cousin.

That guy is? Yeah. He's another one of those that guys. He's like a ton of things. It's always like a henchman in a action movie. Yeah. He was in, uh,

lost. If you guys remember that show. And, uh, yeah. he's been in a ton of movies I mean you see you see his face you can

oh man he was in this this or that he's never like the main guys in it he's just a side guy or yeah like a henchman or something but this is yeah we do see that Jay would you say he came from a broken home

yeah yeah because I mean it's Jay had a tough life and he when he grew up he just kept it going

he did go to prison I think it was for drugs when he was older but at this time the young the young stages of Jay Adams he was just

he was just skating having a good time not I mean there wasn't a word care in the world I mean seemed like to me

this relationship he was his mom was in he liked this guy he liked this relationship that she was in yeah because this guy was a surfer yeah because i don't know that's just how i took it like even though he played it off like he didn't care i felt like this one this one kind of hurt for him yeah they probably seemed like his mom probably had guys coming and going but he he did like this dude but that he was really kind of standoffish and probably a little sad

that this guy was leaving. Yeah, I mean, because he does before he leaves, he tries to give him his surfboard and he's like, you're still my boy. Yeah, but just Jay, the way he's looking at him, he's just like, fuck you, you're out of my house.

As he said, but she's crazy, Jay, and he was like, but that's what you liked about her, right? Yeah, he just kind of packs up all his stuff and bones out. Because, yeah, when Jay rolled up, when they all rolled up his they see like his mom was probably throwing stuff outside because there's broken records and all kinds of other things just laying outside in the alleyway but i felt for jay i mean not saying my life was the greatest growing up i mean i got into it my parents and everything

but just getting on your board and taking off just to get away from your house i've done that many times but I thought that was really cool But yeah, they They I guess there was a good They seemed like they kind of focused more on Jay Well they In the movie they refer to him as the spark

Yeah they They really just Focused a little more on him They had the Stacey's part in the story was there as well As well as Tony's but It seemed like a lot of it was Was geared around Jay Adams Uh story

This is written by Stacy right Yeah. Maybe that's just how he's seen it. Like, Jay was the main one. Because, I mean, they do talk about him in the documentary. They say he came from a not so cool house. So, but I mean, Jay, I think he kind of, from what they were saying, he kind of kept to himself.

But they knew he was angry on what was going on in his house. But he still didn't stop him. I mean, skateboarding is. something that saves us, man. It's saved me many times. Just things that were going on in my life, I just get on my skateboard

and all those things go get out of my head because I'm worried about not falling. So I'm just, I concentrate on what I'm doing when I'm on a skateboard. And just like, whatever was bothering me before was just out the window. I mean, I've gotten into it plenty of times

with my mom. And one time it just got a little, two out of hand. Got in a big, huge fight with my mom, and I just grabbed my board and left. Just jumped on the train, went to San Francisco, and skated up and down those hills. I was mad and sad, but I just, but the time I got back home, I was like, I felt, I felt better. My skateboarding is, skateboarding for me was like a drug. I mean, I needed it. I had to have it.

I couldn't stop doing it. I'm 54 years now, about to be 55. and I'm still still riding. I can't stop. When it's time for me to lay in the ground, that's when I'll stop. But when it's time for me to get in the box,

make sure my skateboard is with me. But because, yeah, when they focus on Stacy's story, it's just minimal. Yeah, yeah, you don't even really see. You see one scene with his dad. Yeah. That's when he's,

seems like good home lives. dad's asking how his day was and his dad's kicking back having a drink trying to conserve water. Yeah. Because we do see that Stacey did come from a better upbringing. I assume his mom was there. They didn't show her or anything, but he was still out there doing it. I don't think he was like super rich. Maybe he just wanted his own money because he did, he was out of all of them,

he was the only one that worked. He worked at that little restaurant, plus the tables and everything. Yeah. Benefits of having a job. Because in 19, uh, Delmar, California, April,

1975, they go to the, uh, Bonnie Cat, Cadillac Nationals. Amazingly, just a early, mid-70s skateboard contest.

Now, I don't know much about skating. I'm a big fan of it, but is this what these tournaments were like? Back in these days, yeah. I mean, not like, I know some of you new schoolers, you think in contests, you think of X games. The X games didn't come until, what, late 1990s, early 2000s,

I would say. Shit, not going to make me look it up. When did the X games start? Well, I mean, like the way they were skating is now what I, consider not that it's not skating but what jay and then were doing was what i consider skating not the other guys that was in the tournament

yeah really quick x game started in 95 so but but this um for mid 70s i mean this is what contests were a lot of freestyle just basically

what they were doing nobody was flipping boards yet none of that didn't happen yet rodney moan was probably a baby when this was going on rodney moll is the one that started all that flipping it and ollie in and everything well alan gelfin invented the ollie but flat ground ollie was rodney mollard but and at these times i mean these guys came from a different different area of skateboarding they grew up in the hood basically. And all these other kids that were in these contests were a little privileged,

rich kids. Yeah, I guess that's how I was trying to put it. Because it just didn't seem gritty. No, the grit showed up when the Z-boys showed up, when the separate teams showed up. Basically, he's like, here, here's our entry forms.

Now, where's our trophies? Because Stacy basically didn't look, man, we need to go to this contest and we need to shut these guys down. So they were, everybody was like, hell yeah. So they were juiced. And they were, they were fired up. They get to the contest and they see what they have to deal with.

And they're all like, what the hell are we supposed to do on this flat top? It was basically like a little wood, maybe Masonite top. And there was a small little bank, but it was basically just flat ground. and from what from what these guys are doing the earlier skaters um wheelies 360s uh

tricks that you look at it wait what the hell is this I mean but that was skateboarding in the in the mid 70s during this time in this movie no again nobody wasn't flipping boards and all that yet I mean that came later

I mean that came later I mean, everybody, you mean, your feet stayed on the board. I mean, again, no Ollie's, none of that happened yet. Apparently, your hands never touched the ground either. Yeah. I mean, the Ollie's did late 70s, early 80s, whenever Alan Gelfin invented it. But he invented that skating at a skate park on a, on a, on a ban on embankment. what he was shooting out of the

out of the top that's how he invented that and then everyone started doing it but yeah Rodney Mullen man he started doing the flatland Ollie he's the first one to do that and then it just took off from there

but this one yeah this type of type of skateboarding I remember all this because I remember seeing skateboarders in the park in central park Golden Gate Park in San Francisco of guys just doing what they're doing,

rolling around, doing wheelies, doing one-foot wheelies and 360s and all that. But when the Z-Boys showed up, man, they added their surf style to what they were doing. They were going fast, they were carving hard, and just mimicking the stuff they did on their surfboard onto a skateboard. So that's how their style was. It was just more edgy.

and just fucking bulls out. They weren't just being trying to be all fancy and just 360 it up. And wheelies or manuals or anything. They, these guys weren't about that. These guys were about style and just skating hard. So I really love this scene

because we see Jay Adams going at it. And then this is, I mean, this is the whole Zephyr team. But then this is when we see, uh, uh, Stacy come in. But before that,

um, the judges are like, all right, man, we, we got to give them, we got to judge him. We got to score them,

but they're like, he didn't do one basic trick that these guys knew. They're like, he didn't do this. He didn't do that. And how do we score them? But they tell them,

like we got to give him a score. That's why I didn't understand. It was like a freestyle. Yeah. Right. So they were kind of like just, all right. So they,

they, ended up giving them a score, but they didn't They didn't know the judges at that time. They didn't know how to score the style of skateboarding that the Z-boys were doing Because they never seen it. They were somewhere in the valley where everything is nice, I guess, And in this time, I mean, these guys, They probably had parks and big open, nice spots for them to skate.

And these guys came from the different parts of California, Southern California, where their skate park was the streets. That was us. We didn't have skate parks. I mean, a lot of you guys now, you rippers that are out there, younger rippers,

you guys don't realize how blessed and spoiled you guys are. There's skate parked everywhere. We didn't have those in the 80s. We had one skate park in Benicia, California. Rest and peace is no longer there anymore. We have a skate park up here. I mean, they're everywhere in there.

now the skate park we have here in the town that i live in it sucks but it's better than nothing i'd have been fine with that back when i was growing up because and we didn't we didn't have a park if we knew someone that had a ramp we better hurry up and hit it because it'd be gone neighbors don't like it and they're tear it down shout out to my boy chris he had a ramp at his house and um he lived like on a cliff because i remember when we first skated it we're like fuck dude what did you fall off. Because if you fell off the side of it, you went down this big ass

100 foot embankment to a fence. None of us ever fell off. Our boards fell off plenty of times, but we once we're out there skating that ramp, we didn't even think about falling off that edge. We just stayed away from it, but we used to a lot of blast. But yeah, during the scene, they just didn't know how to judge them.

They didn't know or understand the style of skating that the Z-boys were doing. But I did like this part, that one little shoddy. walked up to him and said oh man you blew me away and then jay's like what you want to blow me he said maybe because yeah this is when uh stacey comes up and uh starts doing his thing um tony does it for me if i'm judging these guys j j adams had uh a better more gnarly style than all of them I mean, not to say that Tony and Stacey were no good.

I mean, they're both, they're all legends. But as far as this skating and this time, man, these guys, I mean, Jay Adams was just killing it everywhere. And Amil Hirsch did an amazing job as Jay Adams. Yeah, Stacey's skating was a kind of a mixture of what they've seen before and what they haven't seen before. Yeah, he had like the style of both worlds. because I remember growing up and knowing who Stacy Peralta was and seeing what he could do,

skating the Bulls, doing countless 360s and his style. But when he was older running the Bones Brigade with Powell Peralta, I mean, we see him skating

in, I think it was public domain, the fourth video. in the beginning we see Stacy skating down the street and he's just doing 360s and just manuals rocking the manuals over and over and I remember seeing that for the first time and it just made me forget that Stacy Peralta was or is a skateboarder and he's probably much younger and in the 80s whenever banned this came out or was it was no public domain then ban this for you palper out to historians anyway but yeah stacey to me and the way they portrayed

him in this film he had the best of both worlds he had the the dogtown venice shredder style and he had the the nice nice boy style i don't know because he was doing the the 360s and the wheelies and everything i mean j j and them were doing them too but not like Stacy. Stacy he could do 10 360s in a row and everything but he did have he still had that same street style with him. Um what the hell's happening I'm getting some kind of there's your question you to bypass the system private window. I don't know what you talking about but all right um so yeah when Stacy's up there getting this run we do see some people off to the side, some haters.

And they're basically saying that he got disqualified for putting his hand down onto the little platform that they were skating on. But he got a good score. He got two tens and a nine. And then everyone, I mean, the Z-boys were all, they were all excited for him and everything.

But this is when the judges rolled up and said, now you're disqualified because you put your hands on the ground. And then they're, Stacey's saying, everybody put their hands on the ground. This is when Tony Alva stepped into it. And he's like,

dude, he goes, the guy tied me. And then the judge pushes Tony. He goes, can your dirty ass even read? And Tony Alva just says, fuck that.

I mean, the hood came out. And he just, wow, clocked that full. I already did the same thing, too, man. I mean, I mean, yeah,

man, just some little street kid. and those street Mexican kid, man. You got to watch it. You don't know who these kids are. I mean, just because you're older. They're from a different part of California where you respect your elders

and don't yell at grown-ups. Man, but these guys are from a whole different world, dog town, and basically you don't, you don't fuck with them, and you're going to find out. And that guy found out. Tony Alvin fucking dropped his ass. Yeah, like when he punched him,

he said, yeah, my dirty ass. Yep And Skip, man He was no joke too He was about that life Because the other judges Came in and like You guys need to get the hell out of here

Get off our skate park And then they're yelling Why do you guys think you can just come here And pull this shit And Skip was like You're just mad because my boys Were kicking your girl's asses And then one of them shoved Skip

And then he just pulls off his belt His leather belt Wrapped it around his fist All right who wants some Who's next? And who wants to step to the plate and then he's balled up his fist with that belt around his knuckles and then he just takes it off and he's kind of hey man it's all right man sorry man sorry man let's just these kids are

at a tender age but they basically said all right you guys could stay but that guy needs to leave he's disqualified and they kicked uh tony alva out of the or disqualified Tony alva out of the the contest yeah i felt bad for him because he's talking to his sister and he's just like I just wanted to show the trophies to my dad. Yeah. Because she was like, fuck dad. I mean, he ain't nothing. So, wait a minute.

I'm always saying, don't be a ditch digger. They probably sticks in his head. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure I said some things to my boys that stuck to them. It was more my mom than my dad. Don't get me wrong. I love my mom to death.

She's awesome. But I keep telling my kids. The grandma, you guys know ain't the one that raised me so it never is she spoils them so and i'm sure uh my boys will tell the little guys yeah the cha chae isn't who raised us yeah renn used to get after me for being a little i came from a different time so but yeah so but yeah this is this is cool though stacey our um skip kind of rolls up on stacey like hey man he goes nice ride and yeah this is when he said, oh, this is one of the advantages of having a job.

And Skips, well, you got me. He got me there. But he did ask him, hey, man, you hungry? We're going to go eat. And he's like, uh, no. You got to get it right. He said, are you hungry, bro? Oh, that's right.

And he's like, no. But then when he got in the car, he was like, Skip called me, bro. And what the hell was Nicky Reed's name? Kathy. I don't think we mentioned as Tony's sister. Yeah, Nikki Reed, Kathy, she's a Kathy Alva. They did not mention her in the documentary, so I don't know if she was a character they made up,

or did he really have a sister? I don't know. Movies when I've learned of him or his sister in it. Did she have a relationship with Stacy? I don't know. So, but they end up going to the restaurant where everyone's hanging out at and they finally let

Stacy be one of them because they give Stacy a Zephyr surf shop t-shirt and he's like yeah man goes that that shirt right there can get you more titty than anything just wearing that thing and Kathy's kind of like

he's already got that covered so yeah now Stacy's one of the Z boys and they're going to start their reign of terror This scene was a little rough, though, because Skip drops Jay off at where his mom works, some little back alley shop with her assembling lamps.

And she's just doing whatever she needs to do to put food on the table for her and Jay. I don't know what she was doing on the assembly line. Yeah, I mean, she probably said, like, it took her forever to do one. And all these other ladies were probably knocking. knocking them out 10 every minute. So, but yeah, but she's single mom struggling doing what they're doing.

And Jay was trying to do his part too. Just put some money on the table. We can get into that little more. But he goes home and he just kind of just, Jay's got issues, man. He just mad, mad at the world on what's going on in his life. because he takes a knife and he starts stabbing up the surfboard that his mom's ex-boyfriend gave him and basically F it. He doesn't he don't need it. So he just thrashed it and stabbed it all up. But this is when we get more skateboarding.

This is, oh, Tony met some girl at some skate contests and found out that they had a pool and I guess he snaked the keys from her so they go to the pool and it's empty because during this time there was a big drought

in California and he jumps into the pool it's a nice pool too man it's big nice transitions and everything and he's basically like yeah this surf breaks 24 hours a day or whatever he said

and he goes and we're going to be the first ones to write it. Were these guys the originators of pool skating? I don't know. I mean, there was probably somebody on the other side of the country that did it and didn't have no no one to publicize

what they did. So this movie's telling me they were. Yeah. I'm going to say, yeah, these guys were the first ones, but they learned how to do it. So I assumed Tony was at this chick's house and went in the backyard and said, hey, man, saw this pool. So they all basically

well Tony had the keys they weren't home because they were waiting for whoever lived there to leave and then they had the keys to the side yard the door and then they go in and they just start to skate in the pool. Yeah I mean it makes sense for them because when you look at the pool

the way it's shaped it looks like waves the first time I wrote a pool at this scene it just reminds me of of that because that shit was hard. It was

hell hard. The first pool I skated was in it was in East Oakland. The deep east and it was not a good neighborhood. But they left us alone because we were little dark skateboarders.

It was kind of like a locals only spot and it was in the hood. It was behind this apartment building. It was probably their old swimming pool. They just didn't ever use it anymore. So it was a really small pool, but it was a perfect pool to learn how to skate.

My brother took us there. Me and my buddy's there the first time, and I had no idea what I was doing. And how I learned was carve the bottom. Just get the feeling of it. Start carving the bottom, kind of just, all right, not falling. And then slowly getting more speed

and just getting a little higher with my cars, carves. next thing you know, like these guys, I went over the light. And if you got over the light, man, you were the shit. When you first learned how to ride a pool, that was our mission. Every new pool that we got was like to see who can get over that light first. Sometimes I did. Sometimes my buddy Gab or whoever else was with us.

But this scene when they're all just learning how to ride the pool, it was pretty sweet. They end up taking up. off the diving board to get that out of the way. Sid, man, he was no joke. Man, he gave it a shot and slammed hell of hard. Well, I like about Sid, because he slams a few times in this movie, and he keeps getting back up on that board. Yeah, if anyone, he is the one that needed to be careful out of all of them, but this.

Well, they don't know about the cancer yet. You don't know, but he just says he has an inner ear problem. These scenes, they did say they had to learn how to ride a bowl. But you can see when they're really, really carving high, you can see it wasn't them. But when they were kind of doing low spots, it was them riding in it. So this was the beginning of the montage of them just searching for that next pool. I love the scene because that's what we did. We didn't have a car.

We'd have to hoof it up or foot. If somebody mentioned that there was a pool somewhere, even now, even to this day, man, you find out there's a pool, you better hit it quick because it could be gone the next day. Blood Bowl was the best because we could just go there any time, any day, and it was there. But at the end, years of us skating and learning how to skate that pool,

eventually they filled it up with dirt. but we got to skate that thing one last time before the bulldozers came in and filled it up with dirt and paved it over. So that was really cool. But these guys just looking over fences, house to house, trying to find the next pool and what they were doing during this montage. And I sit there and I'm watching it now, man. That was us. Again, you find that pool. You better hurry up and hit it.

Did you guys have your own pump? No, we weren't that hardcore. We just made sure it was empty. Then we would skate it. I remember there was this old abandoned country club on the other side of the hill and conquered hills. And you couldn't even see it from the road. We had to go through all these bushes and everything and climb down this cliff to get to this place. And there was a pool and it was perfect. I mean, we could skate that thing all day and not worry about somebody coming. and chasing us out of there. But some of the pools that we did find, a lot were old motels.

There was one close to Lake Merritt. It was like a crackhead motel. But the pool in the back was awesome. The guys that they worked there, they didn't care. They just told us, don't get hurt. But I remember going there one time. I was just by myself.

I was by there. I was, fuck that. I'm going to get a few runs in this pool. You had to climb this big cinder block wall to get to it. because I didn't like going through the motel part because there was always some creepy people doing what they were doing in the hallways. But one time I climbed up to the top of that wall and I was about to climb over and I see a guy sitting there shooting up. I was like, whoop, nope, and I just took it off. I was like, fuck, man, I wanted to skate that pool all of that.

But yeah, a lot of these pools that we skated, man, there was one at these old apartments. somebody at work not work at school mentioned it and I heard them and it was right by our house I told my buddies fuck it dude let's go so after school we went down there we found that apartment and we saw that there was a pool in there and we just jumped in there and just started ripping it before we got chased out and when we were there these these guys that um another little skate crew we hated them we got into many fights with them they were like how you why you got this is pool we we found it first and i was like you got your name on it so we

we all we were all skating it but then uh somebody came and we all took off and jumped over the wall to get out of there i like this thing too because when they're out there skating somebody's pool uh there's a lookout kid and he's going pigs pigs because the cops show up and everyone's like fuck it there was many times where he did this man bunch of skateboarders just I run him just didn't want to get busted by whoever. So, yeah, we ran for the cops plenty of times, but man, this scene was hell of funny.

I remember sitting in the theater watching this for this first time laughing, and going, man, this was us running from whoever's pool that was. Ah, it was such a good time. But yeah, this is when Tony, some girl, some of the, I think it was a little blonde girl from the contest. she rolls by and has Tony jump into her convertible but Tony's girlfriend was some little Mexican girl in the hood but she saw him but so everyone just ended up bailing out Tony goes to this little rich girl's house and starts doing this thing with her and they kind of just a montage of everything

but then they finally uh they're out they're out having lunch or whatever we see Skip back at the surf shop and they're pressing up skateboarders, skateboards that they're making. Because at first, one of the shapers, the surfboard shapers, because when Rick, Skip was telling them, like, yeah, man, we should design a skateboard. And one of those shapers are like, dude, I don't make toys. I make surfboards. And Skip kind of like, well, we should make it.

We can make some money out of this. So, I mean, I guess they, from what they were saying in the movie, they were making money. They were getting orders from all over the world. I mean, basically because Zephyr was a big name at the time. Where was the money going? I don't know, probably drinking it in drugs. I have no idea.

I mean, he didn't become a millionaire doing what he was doing. So, but I did like how they show all that. And then, well, those guys are all having lunch or whatever. Skip kind of rolls up on them. rolls up on them and starts yelling at them like where are you because in the beginning there were skibbles down and look man we're going to have practice every day and if you don't show up where you're going to get in trouble so but skip kind of finds them and starts yelling at them like where are you guys how come you're not here and he's just yelling at them and they're like well oh well whatever

patty slaps tony yeah it took his patty slabs him it took his burger but with that I mean because they're like should we take them to the pool but they didn't they these guys they were on their own mission I mean they basically I guess they were still out there practicing but in the movie they were like man they found the new thing other than skating banks at school they were riding pools so they were all out there doing their thing and skip was back making skateboards and I assume surfboards as well but we we do find know that Stacey has seen Tony's sister

But this is when she does him dirty Because Jay was always looking too He was eyeing Kathy But then when Stacey's like Come on, we got it We should go let's go do something And she's like no let's just stay here and party

And she just basically wanted to Well she wanted to get down right there In the front yard Yeah but he was like Now my brother's right there and I get it I mean, I know some girls like this I mean, they

They wanted it right there And you would do it Or they're gonna find someone else To do it And that's exactly what she did She's a little hoe man She didn't get us fucking Next thing you know

We see Jay's out there Flirting around with her And next thing you know We see Tony in there Making out with his girl And Jay and Kathy jump in the next bed See I don't know I don't know if that happened

but I don't know if I could be messing around with someone and my sister in the next bed with one of my buddies. Tony was like, you got no hair on your inchworm? It's like, your sister's right there. I know. I'm like,

dude, come on, but she was a little scandalous, man, she didn't give a fuck. She's like, fuck it. All right,

come here. And Jay, I'm like, give me kitty. And then their dad comes home and starts yelling at them. And Jay and that other girl jump out of the well no jay jumps out the window she ran and jumped in the closet

but we find out here that uh sit is a little rich boy because uh his dad i don't know what his dad does but he's got a big house and they got that fat pool in the backyard and they kept telling uh sid to see to ask your dad to drain it

and he's like no it goes if you guys to drain it and you guys get hurt you're gonna sue me you're gonna sue him And he's like, let me talk to your dad. And he's like, the only Mexicans, my dad talks to him, pushes long Mars. Yep. So, but next thing we see them, they're going to another contest. Depending on which version you watch, for those you, I know, it's on Tubey. And I'm sure it's the PG-13 one.

Because the scene when Jay's yelling out the window at the old ladies, he kind of just like I want some of that or whatever he says but in the unrated version he's yelling out the window at them and goes yeah I want to try some of the gray beaver and those old ladies

call me when your balls drop they start yelling at him that's the only part I know that was in the unrated version of this so they go to another contest and this is when some of the big wigs are there.

We got one guy that represents GNS, Gordon and Smith. I think that's what it is. But everybody knows who the Zephyr team is at this point. Because everyone's like, yeah, everybody wants to see the Z-boys. And all these big skateboarding manufacturers at the time is when they start honing for new, for new, because the one guy from GNS, he goes up to

Tony, he goes up to Stacy and Jay basically telling me, look, you guys come come skate for us and you'll make all kinds of money. So, but none of them are buying it because they're still all about, nah, we're down for the hood and we're going to stick with Sid and the Zephyr team. But we see the skip, he's out there slang in his boards.

He got like a bag of skateboards and he's selling them to everyone. Either just the deck or deck and wheels and trucks and everything set up. But this contest was a little different. It seemed like it was a lot smaller, but the little course that they were skating on had like more ramps

and still had the little small, little slanted transitions in it. But they were all out there still skating. But again, again, everybody was there to see the Z boys. So when they get up, everybody's hooting and hollering and cheering and Tony at one point,

he starts to get a little brave. But he sees that everyone's cheering for Jay. Everyone's cheering for Stacey and whoever else is out there ripping. So Tony wants to do something more spectacular than what everyone's seeing right now. Yeah, because later it doesn't feel like they make it seem like it's for money that changes.

But Tony always felt like it was that fain. that notoriety. Yeah. In this film, they made it seem like Tony was about being famous and about the money.

Yeah. Was that true? I don't know. I don't know, Tony. I met him once. He was cool. But in this, they made a scene.

But they did say in the documentary that, yeah, once the money and all that came in, that kind of ruined friendships and everything else. Because, yeah, Tony is a big star. He's signing girls' legs

and kissing. other girls and all that because they're like hey where you going tony because i see you guys in the parking lot and this is when the uh the gns guy kind of goes up to tony he starts trying to uh poach him from the zephyr team basically you know what tony i think you're the greatest

skateboarder in the world and some all this other shit telling them basically tell him look man you come skate for me you can get whatever you want but tony he's just sitting there listening to him he's kind of like uh okay but uh skip sees that this guy is out there talking to him because later he goes up to to Tony and asking well what did he say to you and before he can answer Jay kind of butts in he goes man that guy said a lot of shit to me saying that he goes you could be

one of the greatest skateboarders in the world a matter of fact you are the greatest so like Tony was getting ready to say that but Jay just kind of put it in and then I think at this point, Tony realized, well, shit, and she's not just after me. He's after everybody. Because all the stuff that Jay said, that's exactly what that guy from GNS.

Yeah, I like how Stacy walks by and he skip-ass him. And he's like, apparently we're all the best skaters in the world. Yeah, man. I mean, skateboarding, man. It's a business. I mean, especially with these companies, man, they

need good skaters. to sell their products. I mean, for us when we're growing up, I mean, our idols are the world skateboarders, the guys that we saw in the magazine. And when videos started coming out,

finally getting to see our heroes in action, they're like, man, I mean, I grew up during the Tony Hawk era. I mean, Tony Alvin, Z-boys, and all that, they were there, but by the time I was really, really skateboarding, during the 80s.

I started in the 70s, but I was just learning how to ride down the street. A lot of buttboarding during those early years. But once I was standing and ripping down the street on that little ass

skinny banana board, I wish I still had it. Somebody stole it. I see someone selling one the, it was a yellow board and it said sizzler on it. I see somebody selling one on eBay.

I want to buy it just to have it so I can hang it on the wall and say this was, who knows, it might be. be my skateboard. Somebody stole it from me. But I just

wanted really just for more me. I mean, because this is what I learned to skateboard on this, this model, this skinny nostalgic purpose. So yeah, even the Stacey's

kind of telling, yeah, apparently we're all the best skateboarders in the world. So, but this during this time, the way they're making it in the movie is that magazines are coming. Skateboard magazine are coming. And they want to do

and featured article on Dogtown, on the Z-Boys, on Tony Alba, on Stacey Peralta and Jay Adams and the rest of the Zephyr team. Because they're all out there at some pool. They're skating, taking pictures of everybody.

Jay seemed to be the one that didn't really care for the spotlight. He was just living his life and skating and surfing. That's what he wanted to do. Tony seemed like he saw the fame. He saw the chicks and the money. So he went that route.

Is all that true? I don't know. If I ever meet Tony again, I'll ask him, hey, how true was it? Were you about the fame and fortune over skateboarding? And Stacey just, he didn't seem like he was all about that money and girls. He was just skating and he had his girlfriend. And Jay was just like, he didn't think he wasn't about the spotlight.

But Tony was the one that wanted to be that. Because then later on after that article came out, they had a party at the Zephyr shop. And this is when we're introduced to Johnny Knoxville's character. Topper. Topper Berks. Yeah. and Topper Burke, he's just some rich guy that has the money.

He's rolling around in a roll voice. Did he own a company or was he just like an independent rich guy that just saw dollar signs? I don't know how true that that is or did they just make him up for the movie? I don't know because he's not mentioned in the documentary. But it seemed like Skip knew who he was. Yeah, Skip did because they're starting to say, like man look man Toppers over there talking to your

crew trying to get them Fulton from the Mighty Ducks is like cut them in on some of the profits Yeah And this is where I asked where the money was going Because skips like there is no profits asshole This is a surf shop I think they were just selling those boards

How they made it seem in the movie Just to keep making more Because they weren't paying the boys because yeah they got in that big argument why don't you cut them in on some of the profits and that's what he said what profits so they were just basically

selling the break even yeah and then do it all over again yeah because that one scene when they're printing board making a board skips like man I got to we need to make all these boards because I got to sell them at the next

contest so I can pay for the last batch I guess the resin for the actual decks is what they were doing. So they were, yeah, they weren't really making a profit. They were just making enough to keep it going. Bolton didn't care. They were going surfing. Yeah.

Wasn't part of the deal, bro. Yep. He was like, man, he told you, man, it's the surf shop. When the serves good, we're out. Chino's sleeping in the background. Yeah. And this is when we're introduced to Chino's girlfriend. the beautiful

um sophia vagara what the hell is her name in this it's like amelia or something yeah i'm sorry man she is too fine i watched all the modern family just to see her uh yeah amelia that's who she was old is she now look it out she is 54

what she's the same age as me god damn all right with it. America, this is when we're introduced to America Ferreira. Thunder monkey. Yeah. They hook her up with,

I'm sorry, you got to give me some background on that name. I don't know. Frize, what do you want to be? Thunder monkey. I don't know. Again, these are characters they probably just made up for the movie.

They feel like that character's based on somebody. Chino was a hater Yeah Because he saw that these guys were getting More publicity More famous Because when they're all

Everyone's happy celebrating The Z-boys are on the cover of skateboarder magazine He starts spouting off Because these guys wouldn't Couldn't do nothing They had to have my permission to surf the cove And that's when his girlfriend Sophia is kind of like Who wants to surf that toxic double?

anyway and he starts grabbing it. Would you say, bitch? So, but yeah, in his mind, he's still at the pier. Yeah. They hook up Sid with a Thunder Monkey. We see Jay and Kathy making out, and this is when Stacy

finds out that Jay's messing around with Kathy. This was wrong. Yeah, he's just, she just leaves. Yep, she's like, and then all he says. all he says is you couldn't handle it bro in a way yeah but i mean say something at first yeah he kind of did say hey bro i'm sorry man i was going to tell you but uh you can't handle her

and then he's going and you can and he goes well apparently so but i mean i get it I knew I knew some girls like Like her that Were straightforward about everything So but Well she wasn't even straightforward about this Because like when Stacey pulled up And caught him

Like she's just like I gotta go Yeah But Jay was kind of like Yeah whatever bro I mean you'd be all right So But you can tell Jay was upset about it

Yeah he was a little, but he was a little buzz, too, so he wasn't tripping. But I felt for Stacy, though, man, he was like, man, bad enough that he's not with her anymore, but to see one of your boys that you thought was your boy is hooking up with your, your, I assume she had to have been his ex by that time. I don't know, but next thing we see Monkey, Thunder Monkey, and, uh, Sid going at it. I don't know how old America

Ferrer was at this time, but she was busting out during this scene. So, but she ended up breaking his cherry, I guess. And giving him that Thunder monkey. Yep.

So he, because he just, he comes out and his boys, I just got laid. And they're like, ah, right on, bro. About time. Yeah, this is one where, introduced to Topper Burke Johnny Knoxville.

He's all pimped out. His little pimp suit is Rolls Royce. He's got his muscle with him and all these chicks. But Skip knows who he is. Because yeah, we see Tony talking to

Topper and then one of Skip's boys are like, hey man, look, Topper's over there talking to your boy. So, but he basically tells him look man you can do a lot better you can get more money

if you come with me basically that's what what he was telling him and uh Tony started to get it because he after that conversation he has he has with him he tells him that look

um Tony goes to tell the rest of the guys like look man he goes we need to start getting paid and he goes Skipping cutting us in on anything but Jay was straight up about it

he was like we don't we don't skate for money but Tony's like no man I gotta get paid I want to get paid now and even Red Dog jumped in and he goes yeah I want to make out

with two chicks tonight so but guys with money and everything and they they see the talent, they're going to roll in and try to get them.

Like look, man, I can give you probably like a hundred bucks at this time if you come ride for me. But yeah, I don't know who this guy was. I mean,

I don't know if he was a real character or I don't know. But if he was, it was maybe just an independent board company. So I don't know. I don't know. He wasn't a part of any of the big ones.

Yeah, because when we After he goes with Topper And we see Tony later I don't see no kind of Company name or anything It's just Tony's name Yeah But I think he gave him the money

To start Alva Skateboards Well that's That's what they're talking about Because we see that Because Topper was the one They had all the money To get Tony to where he was Again, I don't know if that was

That part was true Because they do not talk about in the documentary. But we see Jay outside. He's just kind of hanging out. And then we see Sophia walk up onto him, start flirting around with Jay. I don't think I've been able to handle that.

Because she called him Poppy, too. I don't know. Ooh, all right. We would have to go hide somewhere. But she's over there talking to him. And then Chino comes out and starts getting. He goes, ah, he starts yelling at Jay. Are you talking to my girl?

and all this and then they kind of get into a fight and Chino starts whooping up on Jay gives him a few shots but the Jay falls down, picks up and grabs his board, wham! Hits Chino in the head with his skateboard and then takes off.

But Skip is all fucked up. He's tried to walk up on top of him, but his muscle pushes him out of the way, but Skip's just that drunk, that angry drunk, he grabs some of his surfboards, he runs up onto the roof and starts throwing him off the roof. Who wants a free surfboard? He just starts just

throwing them and I assume they're this fragile to just break from throwing them from a roof? I don't know. I mean, I'm not a surfboard I would try it to see because he's just throwing boards surfboard after surfboard

off the roof and some of his crew are like, man, I'm out of here. We won't see this kind of shit on the north shore. So one of his shapers kind of bailes out. but Tony sees it he rolls with Topper Stacy's watching and kind of just shaking his head Jay already cut out already

so they're just like all right man party's over so we next scene we see we see Jay kind of walking down the street and then we see Topper and Tony roll up in a convertible I think it was that Rolls Royce Tony's driving and he's all suited up and everything all GQed out

and then they're kind of like hey man jay man why don't you come with us and jay's like no i'm all right and he goes come on man tony's gonna make a lot of money but jay's like yeah nah you go do what you're gonna do so yeah jay he was he was he was he was about surfing and skating and taking care of his mom that was all he was about but he didn't want the the fame and fortune and all that he just wanted to keep it real basically because yeah we we get the scene uh he goes back to his house his mom's having this big party. This is when we see the real Jay Adams. He's

in there. Yeah, he's a guy who gets the six-pack too, right? Yeah, him. And then we see Tony Alva. He's sitting there talking about growing weed in Oregon to Jay's mom. That's Tony Alva. I think he had some kind of wig

or something on because Tony's got dreads and everything. But this is when we find out that I guess a friend of Jay's uncle, some guy that does advertising, and they wanted Jay to do a commercial, slinky

commercial. Basically wanted to sing the slinky jingle, and they were going to pay him like 20 grand or something like that. He should have did that and just got that much for a day's work, but he wasn't about,

that he was like nah I'm not what you're looking for so but his mom was kind of like whoa my god that's a lot of money you should do it but he was like nah I'm good so he he kind of just gets out of there we

go back to the zephyr shop the next day or I don't know and Stacy's clearing out his locker skip comes in and tries to tell him like look man I'm gonna come up with this new thing you're gonna be my skater and we'll give you a board with your name on it and we'll just crank it out Stacy Peralta and with Zephyr

on top of it but Stacy's kind of like you know what I'm thank you but I'm out of here Stacy went with GNS so he knew that they were they were big company at the time I don't think they're around anymore because I mean there's so many different skateboard companies now but out of the big ones vision is kind of there they're still printing up old reissues palperata is still going well I think it's just Powell now

um dog town there's still the red dog is still um uh has his shop and but then again there's a bunch of other small little companies I went to the

agenda trade show and uh Santa Cruz was there Powell was there 8th Street Tony Magnetons's crew They're still there Real skateboards from Straight Out the Bay

That's Tommy Guerrero and Jim Thiebo They got their real skateboards going I started once I found that they had their own company Tony or Tommy and Jim Their bay skate rats like myself

I was supporting real I was riding nothing but real skateboards Now I'm just riding whatever I get my hands on A lot of reissues. Nottis is my guy, so he had a skateboard that came out on skateboard day. And I'm riding that right now. But yeah, this scene, Skip was trying to keep Stacy with him because he knew Stacy was good. Pretty much everybody left.

The whole Zephyr team took off and went to other places. Jay, he had a sponsor, but they didn't really say who it was. it was a hawkeye and some other dude uh jeremy waygum shay wiggum is like one of those guys you see in a bunch of movies yeah i've seen him in a bunch of things but i like this scene because we see uh j and skip or j and um sid hanging out with some essays and they're uh skating those big uh cement uh pipes i don't know where they are in the middle of desert i guess i mean that would be hell of fun though skating this thing just riding it back and forth.

So we see that Jay is just still about just skateboarding and living his life. And Sid is still trying to just hang with him. But we get a mon- This is when Jay shaves his head? No, no, not yet. Oh, okay. We get a montage of what Tony's doing, skating for Topper, whatever company he is,

and hanging out with chicks. And we see Stacy is doing, he skates for GNS and they have him going like all over the world to different places this is when we get cameos from Christian Ossoi Lance Mountain and Tony Hawk he was one of the astronauts

none of it was Neil Armstrong or one of them so but so we get all that and then we see Jay just mobbing down this hill doing this thing and then we kind of see him go up on top of the old pier and just jump a skateboard right off into the water. So he's just trying to do his thing. And actually, you know, we go to somewhere, somewhere in Southern California,

and they have this big contest. And all of them are in it. Jay's there. Tony's there. Did the rest some of the other former Z-Z team. Shogo, he's there. talking to, I don't know who he was riding for, somebody had some jersey,

I can't make out what that is. But everyone's in basically like their, their sponsor's uniform. Stacey's all yellow with the GNS on his, I don't know what Tony was. It looked like he was some kind of stunt man getting ready to shoot out of a cannon. But we see Jay, him and Sid,

and Jay's just dressed up like how he's always dressed, just t-shirts and his jeans or whatever and Sid is still hanging out with them and they start talking about where's Tony at and he's like I haven't seen him and they were talking about Stacy went to Australia for something and then Jay's kind of asked well how was the surf and he goes uh I didn't uh I didn't get to surf and Jay's like you went all the way to Australia and you didn't surf so jays I don't know I'm lightly a little hating but not

not that much I mean because during this he basically said he was only doing this to to help his mom pay the rent yeah so but they they have this contest yeah Tony shows up and in this big limo or

Rolls Royce whatever it is and everyone screaming and hooting and hollering and the contest is they ride down this embankment and just basically hit this transition and just do kick turns and come down. It doesn't seem like much, but during this time, that was, that was a big gig. That was the style that they skated.

Just going up and basically you just had, you could just go up and kick turn. And that's what some of these guys were doing to get points. But when you're just doing something simple like that, I mean, you had to have some kind of style in it. So, I mean, these guys, they had style when they were. doing it. Except for one guy. Seems like he just rolled up and then rolled back down. But, so, but this is when they start doing it.

And then, uh, tone or, uh, Sids, I'm not Sid. Uh, Jay sponsors show up. Uh, Jeremy Renner and that other dude. What was the name? Shea Wiggle and Jeremy Runner. Yeah. And they just kind of roll.

These guys who just had money and just tried to make a skateboard. And they're kind of like, man, he goes, yeah, he goes, all right, here. They give Jay his board. That was a giant board. Yeah, that tail was thick, man. It looked like it was two inches thick. And he's like, this isn't the board I designed.

He's like, this wood is cheap. And they basically tell them, the board you want are a tad too expensive to sell. And then he's like, how do you know until you sell it? So Jay was just pissed off at them. But they're basically telling them, hey, you don't know business. So they start telling Jay, like, hey, man, just tell him, tell Jay what's up. But Sid's kind of like, you guys aren't doing what you promised.

And then that one guy grabs Sid by the back of his neck and says, look, if it wasn't for you, if it wasn't for Jay, you wouldn't be here. You're just some rich kid that can't skate or whatever they said to him. Yeah, trying to play manager or something. Yeah. So he's kind of like, oh, he kind of walks off. and he's like he starts pretending like his call me, he's like, co-cade freaks right there.

Somebody in the audience is like, oh, yeah. Sid was cool, man, I liked this character. So yeah, they're kind of like, uh, all right, whatever. So, yeah, they go back to the contest. And, uh, Jay almost pulls off a handplan that no one's ever seen. I mean, if he had a lander that, he definitely would have won

this contest. So, but he, uh, he doesn't, uh, pull it off. They also have those leaping contests when you're riding on your board, then you jump over the bar or whatever. I mean, and they had the cones, zigzag through the cones. They had that. But yeah,

when those guys are doing the ramp, Jay went up there and did it, almost pulled it off, but he slipped when he, because he rolled up and did like a handplant. And at that time, they said they'd never seen that before. so he kind of does his trip he gets his score but it's um not a very good score and jay just kind of like you know what eff this i'm out so he kind of just walks off just abandons the contest and gives

his board to some kid in the audience but then uh tony he's getting his run and uh stase is kind of goes well i guess it's uh you and i and tony's like no it's not it's me and then tony gets his run and he makes it and then Stacy gets his and the other guy that they're battling one of Stacy's teammates he

it was Tony Alba's fault in this in this scene because Tony dropped in off that embankment before the other guy was done with his run and then he just basically head on

into the other dude I think his name is Tony no this not Tom um shit i can't remember the other guy's name yeah he was in that movie we did he was in grind yeah that movie yeah he was that's the only thing i do of it so but yeah he rose he's he a real skater i guess i don't know now i only seen him in grinding in this so i don't know but when he runs into each other that other guy just kind of stumbles tony falls and jumps up and

runs at that dude throws his hammer out and goes you stupid val and then he punches that guy but then that guy comes back bow with a straight shot to tony's right eye or left eye and then tony just drops and he's holding his face and that guy the other guy leans over not the best you got alva and then uh everyone comes and that guy just bails out so tony alva's out i think that was it for the contest because uh his eyes uh pretty rugged he had stitches and everything so but we see jay he's kind of just hanging out at the pier um there was a fire at the pier and uh basically whatever was standing was was all on fire and he was or uh just smoking he was just sitting there and then skip kind of comes up oh who's the guess you look who's here

and they start talking and then This is when Jay kind of telling him, look, man, I'm sorry. He goes, I left because I needed to help my mom pay the rent. And Skip got it. He's like, you know what? I get it. He goes, your mom's got to eat. She's got to eat.

So he knew that he needed to take care of his mom. So Skip kind of walks off. After this scene, this is when we see Jay. He goes into the bathroom and shaves his head. And he really, that was really a meal's hair. And he just shaved it all off. But we see Tony at his house. He's got an eye patch on.

And when he lifts it up, it's pretty gnarly. His eyes all stitched up and swollen still. But Topper shows up. He's all faded. Him and his muscle and his chicks. Alexis Arquette. Yeah. Rest in peace.

She or he's like, Topper's kind of like, come on, man. We're going to Maui, man. We're going to get you on some real. waves and Tony's like, I can't go. I got a, I got surgery in a few days. And then Topper kind of just yells at him, T.A. And then he kind of catches himself like, I love you, man.

I want you to come. But then Tony's like, I can't go. So I'm like, all right, man, I'll leave you a ticket at the airport. So, all right, let's go. So they kind of all take off. Yeah, that's when Alexis, I guess she was all fucked up. Because she's stumbling around and she goes to the Tony. Are you a good pirate or a bad one?

And then tries to grab his nipple on his shirt and he just swats her hand away. So they all get back into the Rose Royce and take off. Tony's dad shows up because Tony's out there, he went and dug his board out of the closet and he's trying to get back on and escape. But I assume one eye covered kind of throws his balance off so he wasn't really sure. And his dad, he's like, he turns around like to his dad, I'm going to be a ditch digger. And his dad basically told him, like, knock that shit off. He goes, you can be whatever you want. You can just remember, you're an alpha.

So he's like, all right. So next scene we see Stacy and his girlfriend, they show up at the beach. And they're looking at the water. And then all of a sudden this, it looks like an Impala rolls up. And somebody throws a bottle out. And Stacy is like, all right, come on, let's go. so they start going. He's about to get into his car.

And one of the dudes like, hey, who are you? And he goes, you looking at me? Yeah, you're looking at me? He goes, lots of nice watch. And he goes, you do want it? And then he looked like he was going to get into it. But then Jay jumps out of the back of the car. And Stacy's like, oh, my God, thank you so much.

He gives Jay a hug. We could see Jay's tweaking on something. Yeah, his eyes are crazy. Yeah, and he's like, yeah, what's up, bro? He's just like, I don't know, snorting something. But then he's like, he goes, I didn't see you at the whatever contest. And he's like, I'm not really skating for money much. So, but he's with Kathy and that other chick.

Stacey. Oh, no. The hell's her name. I can't remember. Kathy and Nikki Reed and her friend. And this is when they tell, they tell Stacy that Sid is sick. and Stacey's kind of like, well, he's always been sick.

He's got that inner ear thing. And they said, no, they found out that it was a brain tumor and he's got cancer. So he's kind of like, oh, and then they're like, hey, we're all going to go see him tomorrow. And Stacey's like,

I can't. I'm going to wherever, Australia or something. And then Jay's kind of like, we're not going over there. We're not going to see him like that. But they're like, all right, well, Stacey's girl, like, oh, here's my girlfriend.

And then Kathy's kind of just looking at it. Like, all right. So they ended up leaving, Jay and them take off. I don't know if this must have been a flash forward because we see Sid, or we go to the Zephyr shop, and we see that somebody else owns it. And it's all nice and yuppie and everything. Yeah, the guy that was,

in the store earlier in the movie with no money is the guy that bought the store. Oh, that was him? Yeah. But Kep Skip Skip, because he's a good shaper. We see him in the back, in the back room, uh, sanding, uh, a surfboard. So we see that he's still making boards. He's still out of Zephyr shop. And then we go to Sid's house.

Uh, Jay's there. He goes up and Sid's sitting in a wheelchair. and he had he had surgery because he got this big scar incision on the side of his head all stitched up and he's looking at it and he goes let me see so he kind of well he sees

Sid sees the the little zipper tattoo on the top of Jay's head because Jay is bald now but then Sid goes up mine's real and then he shows him his scar and everything and I like Jay he kind of leans into him

gives him the horn because it's pretty punk rock bro so they're kind of like oh cool so they're sitting there talking and then um uh what's his name uh sid lights up because uh i guess his doctor prescribes uh weed to him because uh his maid brings it to him so he lights well his maid lights it up for him and then he kind of gets it and he looks at j and goes look man i heard you're sick too so uh gives him a rip off of it and then stacey shows up and he's just he's just happy to see sid he kind of walks up on him and gives him a hug and then they kind of like hey man he goes aren't your sponsor is going to be mad because he was supposed to go to florida and he goes up i guess i missed my flight and so they're kind of like ah cool but jay

i think at this time we do see that they none of them are skating together anymore they're all just doing their own things So, Sid's kind of like, Hey, guys, I want you guys to come back here. I want to show you something.

So they go back to the backyard and they go to the pool and it's empty. But then he's like, look, guys. He goes, there's a Mexican in my pool

and he's not pushing along more. And it's Tony. He's down there sweeping up the bottom. And then Sid's just looking at him. Well, Tony kind of comes up and like, what's up, guys?

Like, nothing happened. because but they're all kind of little especially jays a little standoffish he's kind of like just i don't know if he was on anything because his hands were just really shaking but they're they kind of like ah what's up man and he's just looking at it what's up with the zipper and jay doesn't say anything so sid kind of basically telling what are you guys waiting for my dad said we can thrash it so they're like fuck it so they all get their they have their boards there and they jump in and just

just have a awesome session because this pool looks huge yeah um this this pool reminded me of the uh I had mentioned a old abandoned uh country club the pool was shaped just like this and it was huge

you could get plenty of speed and just fucking rip as long as you want because no one was no one could see us down there so we just got to skate it and skate it and skate it and hellful showed up of this pool man these guys are in there just ripping it up and this part did bring some tears on my eyes because it reminded me and me and my friends uh we all start off with one one at a time but then later as we're all warmed up like fuck it you go then i'll go

because these guys all start chasing one another in the pool all skating it at the same time this is when they were uh using the computer to impose the actors faces on the guys that were skating and they didn't do a good job but the guy that portrayed a jay that was really skating this during the the making of this uh it looks like he did a front side and the board kind of got away from him and he fell and broke his leg when they were filming this scene but we see these guys man they're just ripping it jays tearing it up front side and over the light and then he goes around the the stairs in the shallow end.

But then they kind of look up at Sid and they're like, hey man, let's get him in here. Because Sid's sitting there in his wheelchair. And then they get him into the pool and they're pushing him around. Which was cool, man. This also puts some tears on my eyes. I mean, Sid, again, I don't know how true this was. Was this their buddy that they hung out with?

Or was it just someone they made a character for in the movie? But in the documentary, they do mention that there was a kid with brain cancer that they let him skate their pool. Maybe they didn't say his name out of respect for his family or something. Yeah. So they put Sid down in the deep end and these guys are just skating around them. And I'm sure it was awesome for Sid just to see his boys together again. After all the beef and everything that was going, they're all going through. through, but he was there to see his buddy skate and he was there having a good time.

So I thought that was really cool. And while they're doing down there, that's when they start pushing Sid. They're pushing his wheelchair up the transition. And then his maid comes and starts yelling at them in Spanish, especially calling them idiots. What are you guys doing? So he started speaking Spanish back to her and then he asked for some more weed. So I guess he gave it to him. but then we get

some uh this is the end of the film it says Sid's father kept the pool empty for months allowing the boys to skate as much as they wanted because Sid ended up passing away from his brain cancer and then they go into other things it says Tony Alva went to become

skateboarding's first world champion he runs Alva skates and sells his products around the world and what else is to say dude he just did a badass front side air out of front he still sneaks in the backyards to skate empty pools i asked him that one when i saw him when i met him he was yeah man i do it whenever i can whenever we find them pools and they're showing stacey and he's doing a huge front side grind stacey peralta created the skateboard company pal paralta and the bones were bones brigade which included a 14-year-old

Tony Hawk. He is now an award-winning filmmaker. Jay Adams is recognized as a spark that ignited the sport, the original speed. That's another magazine. Released on parole for drug-related charges, he continued to skate and charge the big waves of Hawaii. Jay Adams is no longer with us. He passed away in 2014.

I believe Let me see Adams died of a heart attack on August 15th 2014 In Priordo Escondido I don't know where that is A tourist resort near San Pablo

And I guess in Mexico somewhere But yeah he He passed away I guess just From the life I mean your body can only take so much whatever. I don't know if he was using or anything.

Maybe just his his heart just was tired. I don't know. But I do remember hearing that he passed and I was like, oh man. Shortly after the dog bowl session, Sid died of brain cancer. But they did get to skate

that spot until Sid passed. And that's the and the Lords of Dogtown Again watch the The documentary Dogtown and Z-Boys It's streaming on Tooby So if you don't mind the ads

Definitely check it out It was on YouTube It looks like somebody took it down But the documentary is awesome It goes into a lot more history Of who each of them are They didn't And the movie just focused on the three

Stacey Tony and Jay But the documentary kind of gives everybody some time to shine. So there was a whole crew of them. Red Dog, Beaniac, Shogo, Peggy, and all the other guys. There was a whole crew of them. They really go into that whole history of the Z-boys

and the Zephyr shop. So definitely check that out. Again, it's streaming on 2B. All right, boys and girls. that was the Lords of Dogtown It's your pick All right I'm gonna still

Keep it In Southern California Is this still streaming? It is And we are gonna go to Ninetext six is Thrashing It is streaming on

Prime video So definitely check it out I have never seen it Oh you've never seen Thrashing All right well that's yeah we're going to end the summer with uh with thrash and we did gleaming the cube already a few years ago so if you haven't heard that one you have to go back into archives and find it so but did we do grind yeah we did grind okay we did grind and uh yeah so i know i've done thrashing

on east society and and magnus and everything but uh yeah we're going to bring you uh thrashing i was like, please be streaming still. And it is. So again, if you haven't seen this film, definitely check it out. It's the best of the 80s. Tons of skateboarders in this film. Real skateboarders.

Tony Alba's even in this. Don't remember if Jay's in it. Stacey Peralta helped film this film. He was one of the consultants. And there's a bunch of other guys. A lot of the Alva team, skateboard team, is in this film. well as very young Tony Hawk

Lance Mountain Mike McGill Steve Caballero, Nottis Eddie Radigee, Christian Assoi, Steve Stedham and just Periwilander

and a shit ton of skateboarders in this film. We'll run through them all when we get to this one. So yeah, definitely check out 1986's thrashing for our next episode

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