The Horror Returns - THR Presents: Stream Fiends - Ep. #8: The Little Things (2021)

Episode Date: February 14, 2021

This episode Brian and Nez team up with two of Cali's finest to try and track down a serial killer in the 2021 mystery/thriller THE LITTLE THINGS.   Listen and follow Brian and Nez's other show The Action Returns. Join The Action Returns Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/841619946357776   Follow The Action Returns on IG and Twitter: Instagram: @theactionreturns Twitter: @action_returns

everybody to another episode of THR Presents Stream themes. I'm your host Brian and with me is always my brother Nez, what's up man? I'm good brother, just hanging in there.

For those of you that have been listening, I'm sure I mentioned it here. My wife, she tested positive for COVID in December, like a week before Christmas. So we couldn't have

Christmas at all. Tree is still up. Presence is still wrapped. And that was like for a month. Somewhere almost all of January. We went and she got over it. My son also tested positive, but he didn't have any symptoms at all.

So thank goodness for that. But my wife's good. My house is full of people. Well, not my family. My grandkids and all that. But they only live like a cross. the street. So we're finally having Christmas.

My little, my oldest grandson, he doesn't know. He just knows it's still Christmas time. So we had Christmas movies on in February. So we're going to have it tomorrow morning. Not sure when you guys are hearing this, but it'll be Saturday. I don't even know what day it is. Saturday the 13th. So February 13th.

is the Christmas house here in the Nez household. But other than that, good. Finally getting that over with. But I'm super, super duper late. I'm just now rapping my wife's presents, which I had basically two months to wrap. Never did. She's all mad.

But they say, hey, man, you're getting something. So shut up. Guys don't talk to your wives that way. No. Yeah. So that's all that's going on here. Other than that, man. I'm, uh, I'm good.

Just finally getting to this movie. Oh, man. But, uh, yeah, man, that's all what's going on. Uh, nothing going on up here. Same old, same old. It's been, fuck, yeah, it's been getting colder and colder. I hate it. Hate it so much.

And, but, uh, yeah, my son's about to pack up and move out of state. He's heading over to the great state of Texas. Oh, it ain't cool. I guess it can get cold, but it's not like Alaska cold. Yeah, definitely. Alaska's on beast up here, especially in February. Give you another reason to go to Texas other than to see Brother Lance and brother Philip. Yeah, but yeah, nothing going on.

just waiting to get to this movie. I know we've been promising it and talked a little bit about, well, we didn't talk about it. Read some listener feedback on the main show. So let's jump into this 2021 release for those who are able to. Got to see it in the theater for us.

We got to see it on HBO Max. That's why it's on stream fiends. So quick synopsis on the little things. After two months and four victims, you don't have a suspect. Things probably changed a lot since he left. You still got to catch him, right? Not that much of change, then. I want to nail them.

I want to nail them to. Can I help you? Differences, I'm doing this with me. It's the little things, Jimmy. It's the little things that would be apart. It's the little things that get you caught. Deputy Sheriff Joe Deke Deacon joins forces with Sergeant Jim Baxter to search a serial killer who's terrorizing Los Angeles. As they track the culprit, Baxter is unaware that the investigation is degradating.

Wait, dredging up, sorry, I can't read today. Dredging up echoes of Deke's past uncovering disturbing secrets that could threaten more than his case. that was Google let's go over to RMDB Kern County Deputy Sheriff Joe Deacon is sent to Los Angeles for what is what should have been a quick

evidence gathering assignment instead he becomes embroiled in the search for a serial killer who is terrorizing the city this course stars Academy Ward winner because they advertised in the trailer, Denzel Washington, Academy Award winner Rammy Malick,

Academy Award winner Jared Leto, Chris Bauer, Michael Hyatt, Terry Kinney, Natalie Morales. This was written and directed by John Lee Hancock. Nez, what are your initial thoughts on the little things?

Well, I didn't, I didn't read into it. didn't really watch any trailers. The only thing I seen was the little snippets they kept showing and the HBO Max teaser trailers for all the stuff that was coming out. They just showed you images of Denzel and Rami and Jared. So I was like, okay. I mean, they're all good. I mean, they're all Academy Award winners. The movies they won for were amazing. If I had to pick one out of that one, I know everyone would go to training day, but I just love Bohemian Rhapsody, mainly because I'm a huge Queen fan, so I really loved Romney's performance in that. Jared Leto, he's done tons of things. And speaking of him, the images of

his Joker for the new Justice League that's a thing coming out Sunday. Is it the 14th when that comes out? Yeah, the trailer, yeah. is it is just a trailer or is it the whole thing it's trailer oh I thought the whole thing was come man no that's March that the movie comes out okay

shit well I'm jumping the gun but either way man the the images two images they release of the Joker I'm like whoa I mean there was no Joker in Justice League so that's it's cool what what they're going to do hopefully he doesn't get like seconds the little bit he had in the suicide squad but but he's an awesome actor he did win for Dallas Byers Club he's done a ton of movies I think my favorite one he had done was that chapter something that one when he portrayed the guy that killed um what's his name uh

God damn it, the Beatles. John Lennon. Oh, okay. It was chapter something. I can't remember the movie offhand. But I really love this performance in that. And musically, I do like his band, 30 seconds of Mars. So I'm cool with all of that.

But Denzel, his work speaks for itself. He's done so many. uh, films and training day. Yeah, that was an awesome film. It was kind of shocking that he got, uh, nominated and won for that because I, I was thinking, I mean, he was good. I mean, I loved his performance, but I was thinking, he really for that. So, but I'm, I was like, all right, cool.

I was happy that he won, but yeah. He, he won for being a dirty cop and Holly Berry won for getting naked. I knew that was, uh, but, in, in her defense. that that was a good performance and yeah the bonus was getting naked so yeah Billy Bob your lucky man

chapter 27 yeah that movie have you seen that one no I have not it was just depressing and it was weird I mean these guys that do to me Jared Lettle put on the

pounds for that role he's just eight and Nate, ice cream hamburgers, everything just to get that fat. I'm like, man, well,

I guess it helps to have a personal trainer and I, whoever works out your food and everything. I mean, that's what I need. And I'd get slim to, but, I mean,

these guys do a lot to themselves for these roles that they take. So, but. Yeah, he was a little bit heavier in this one. Was it really? Not heavy. Like,

he looked a little out of shape, I guess. I think he had something under that shirt. I don't know because his face was him and Denzel. Denzel looked like that was real. But Jared, I think he might have had something over his stomach. Because when he did Chapter 27, he said he got really sick trying to puff up for that role. So I don't know.

I mean, his face didn't look too fat. So I think they might have just put something around his stomach. But, I mean, either way. saw the film I watched it with my wife she really enjoyed it I was kind of thrown at some stuff

that was happening in it because it made me when the movie was over I was like wait a minute we had to go back and rewatch the beginning so I was like oh okay

but I mean but overall I thought the performances from all three Denzel you know he was going to be badass right out the game so there was no no doubting his performance Romimum

like I wasn't really sure on how he was going to go because he started out being an asshole cop and then you just felt sorry for him by the end of the film. Jared Leto, he played Albert Sparma. He was just creepy every time he was on the on screen. And he just did an amazing performance. If I had to pick something out of these three, Jared Leto, I thought he was awesome in this. But it was, it was a, I know a lot of people didn't like to. film because on how slow it was.

But maybe I'm just turning into old man and I like slow movies, but I thought this movie was awesome. I loved it. I mean, it was it kept me interested. I never did like, okay.

I was just trying to piece it together. And then even at the end, we don't really know. I don't know. We want to think so. But then there's evidence for both sides. Is he? Did he do it or didn't he do it? There was a lot there.

And I was kind of like, hmm, I had to watch it. I watched it twice. So I was like, ah, okay. But I still came up with the same conclusion by the second, second viewing. But either way, man, I thought this movie was awesome. What did you think of it? Yeah, I also enjoyed it. I don't know if I'm just getting old too, but I kind of enjoyed the nice little slow burn.

I mean, it's a detective movie. They're trying to solve this case, you know, and I thought everybody was fantastic. I thought everybody played the role like this. Everybody had something going on or something going on in their background or maybe was hiding something. And I thought they all did a great job at that. The story is pretty much straightforward, but I did not think it was going to end like that.

I really did not. I thought the way the story was gone, where we were just going to get a clean cut finish on what was happening and who was doing it. But like you said, we don't know. We don't know. And it made me appreciate the movie more for that. And I think, yeah, I would have to go with Jared Leto.

I think his performance as Albert was creepy, creepy. even though I always feel like Rammy just his eyes just fucking creep me out like he's got to play I mean he we were supposed to see him already play a villain in the new James Bond movie and I just think he kind of has a look and just kind of I don't use this word often swag about him that just kind of says bad guy kind of creepy so hopefully we'll get to see that movie soon but but I thought everybody did a phenomenal job in this. And I think for a detective movie,

I think sometimes it's necessary to be a slow burn. Yeah. I mean, how they were selling it to before, before everyone's seen it was, oh, it's the next seven. And I was like,

no, I knew that right out before. I said, no. I mean, seven is one of my favorite films. I love that movie. I can throw that on any time and watch it.

So I was kind of like, that's kind of a lot to say about this film. And it was no seven, not even close. It was just there were the guys were searching for a murder. Was he a serial killer? I guess. I mean, there wasn't tons of murders in this. I mean, there was, there was a case that they were, they were trying to figure out a murder, a murder victim.

But, I mean, seven was just. off the wall crazy and just murder, death, gore, and all that through the whole film, which I love, if you guys know me, with the movies that I watch. But I didn't, I didn't see no comparison to that. I don't know who, who said that. I'm looking at rotten tomatoes right now, and there's a lot of no, mainly the, the audience, not the critics. I don't really listen to them, but a lot of people just, didn't like it. They're just saying how slow it was and this and that.

Nobody did a powerful performance. And I read these, these reviews and I'm like, I don't know what you guys were watching, but I thought this movie was awesome. But yeah, the story was straightforward. It was just,

uh, Romi Malik was trying to, uh, or no, Denzel was trying to figure out a case that, that they weren't really unsure of. And then they go to LA and he teams up with Rami. He's a,

also on the case of a missing person as well as someone that did no it was just a missing jogger right yeah at that time yeah and uh i know um the beginning through me uh when that girl was driving down the road and somebody was following her and then she pulls over um i don't know why she stopped right there where nobody was at i'm like can you just hauled ass and kept going you were almost into the city. But she was scared. Well, yeah, but she didn't have to get out at the Bates Motel to see if anybody can help her. Because when she gets out and tries to find help and somebody gets out of the car and comes walking after her, I was like, hmm, okay.

Is this the killer that they're searching for? And we don't know. And then that's when we get into Danzel's story. I liked his backstory that because you were really unsure on why he was acting the way he was it turned out he was an LA detective but something happened and he he didn't get yeah I guess pretty much he got

they didn't fire him but they said you you got to get out of here so he went to some suburb whole town to to become sheriff but then he's working on a case and he comes to LA and that's when they team him up with Rami Malik when they're trying to figure out a case. They kind of got some clues on who the murderer was. So they go into their investigation and it led them to Jared Leto, Albert Sparmer, because they were saying, well, there was some kind of issue with the, it could be a worker

because one of the houses, they said the refrigerator was broken, so they started kind of going around to see who, whose repair shop might have come here. And then that's when they started getting suspects. And Jared Lutter was just creepy. So they kind of figured, all right, it might be him. There was evidence leading towards him. And they break into his house and look around and you see that he's into. to serial killers because he's got Helter Skelter and some other books on

the wall and they just find all these creepy things in his house but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's him but they were really watching him because they did bring him in they talked to him and that scene when they were interrogating

him he was just creepy and really really into the pictures, the evident pictures that evidence pictures that they had but he flat out said that he goes oh man I'm really interested in these type of things. I really like watching these detective shows or whatever he said. Yeah, didn't he like know their backgrounds and stuff like that?

Yeah, because they were in the paper as well. I mean, because he reads up on all this stuff. So he knew, he knew them, not personally, but he knew that their work as police officers, as detectives. So, I mean, I was like, hmm, I mean, again with this movie, They lay out all of it in front of you. But you have, you have to be,

the audience has to be the detective and put this together. Are is Albert Sparmer the killer? Or is he not? I mean, you can go around and around. And, and there was a lot of evidence saying, yeah, he is,

but then there's more evidence saying, no, he's not. But, I mean, it was just all that. And the backstory to Denzel was, he he was a part of a cover-up because they kept showing a lot of flashbacks dealing with him on a case that he was working because we find out he's not married anymore he's not an LA detective but by the end of the film you see why he's not an LA detective and why he's he's not divorced and I mean I really loved that backstory on him And then What was the reasoning for him teaming up with Rami?

Just because the two cases were similar? Yeah, they were similar, and he was always haunted by not solving that case, especially how the cover-up came from investigating one of the cases. So he was constantly haunted by those, women, we get a scene where I thought he just had some

chick rubbing his feet. But it was one of the girls that died and then you flash over to the corner or the closet or whatever it was and the other dead girls are just standing there. So he was always haunted by basically not helping

them. And we also get that scene when he gets to look at the recent body in the autopsy and he's talking, he's sitting there alone and he's talking to the body saying, you know, how can I help you, you know, tell me what I need, you know. And I really dug his performance. And it was about the little things because he was just kind of, he was there to pick up some evidence and just became a part of this case because he was just making suggestions.

Like the whole, I believe the victim that they're there looking at was she was supposed to be vegan. But there was meat or something in the, in the, refrigerator and they found it in her digestive system so it was like the little things he was pointing out I mean also you mean you yeah you can take it that way plus there was

stuff at the end of the film uh of because he told uh Rami like don't don't let the little things bother you and and then we find out why

Denzel lost his job why he was not divorced anymore and why he just let his family fall. His family life fall apart because of the case that he didn't, he couldn't solve. And we also find out that he actually shot

one of the victims by accident. It wasn't on purpose and he had he had some friends and a coroner help him cover it up to make it seem like, oh, she was also one, there was two victims that were dead,

but one of them was still alive. and Denzel shot her by accident. So they had a big cover up. Him and the machine from Oh, that's right. That's right. Machine. He was in this.

And because I was unsure. I mean, because when we see him talking to his wife and, you kept the house and how are you doing? And she didn't seem like she was like mad at him, but no. So I don't know. Because at this point,

when all this stuff is happening when we're showing the flashbacks we're not really sure we don't see all that into the end of the film but um when but you you know that he you know that he hasn't been keeping in contact though because the simple fact that he's oh you kept the house and they they have two older daughters that are grown that he apparently has hasn't even spoke to in years yeah So while that's happening and Rami is really just focusing on this case trying to solve it Because he he seemed like he was the hot shot detective in the department Because when we first see him he's just all swag and acts like you don't give a fuck and he's top shit

But as the case goes on and on Especially mainly when they're trying when they have Jared Letto as a suspect and he you can see him going from the little smart ass he was in the beginning to just what am I going to do? What am I going to do? How are we going to solve this case? How his tune just totally changed.

I mean, that's why I like Rami as an actor. He really, obviously, when you read the script, you go, okay, this is how it's going to be. And I'm sure as well as the help with the director, because the director was the writer to help him along with the character. So I definitely think he chose three good actors to show this film.

From what I understand, this film was written and or I guess the screenplayer had been out for a while, but it just took forever to make. So, because I don't think he was, uh, the, John Lee Hancock was initially supposed to direct this

at first. They wanted a big giant name, but. Steven Spielberg. Yeah, they, they just couldn't. So they just, you know, he's like you know they when you know what you do it yeah steve step stephen spilver clean eastwood warren betty and danny davidore were all separately attached to direct because i mean i think the

movie stood the studio cut finally said look dude it's your vision you probably know better than anyone else like why don't you just do it so that that's why he sat down and did it so good good job for him but when they the scenes when when they they're basically they they they kind of all right he Albert's farmer is the killer we just have to prove it so that's why they kept following them around because when we first see Albert's farmer

he's when Denzel was checking out the car and looking at it and then he's like hey what are you doing over there I mean his performance just how he sounded and how he looked Jared Littles got blue eyes but he had I don't know if there were black contacts or what

but his eyes just looked dead and creepy. Because he was always like, hey, yeah. And how he walked all slumped over and his gut sticking out. I thought he was cool. Yeah, it was, it was very off-putting just his whole appearance because, like you said, he had the gut, but he also, his face kind of almost sucked in. Yeah, and he was like really pale. He looked dead.

So, but, I mean, during the interrogation scene on how they were just trying to, to get them all raw, but they knew they didn't. I'm mainly just trying to rile them up to let him know, hey, we're on your ass. But they had nothing. There was no evidence of anything that they had on him. So, but, I mean, Denzel was unsure. Rami was kind of pretty right on. Like, this is our man.

We got to get him. But, I mean, that whole scene when Denzel was following him in the car and then how he would pass him and all that. and I thought that was really cool. He just got off the freeway and Denzel got lost him. And then when he stopped, looked around, then he looked across street on the other side of the freeway and Jared Liddell was just sitting there and this car looking at him.

I was like, damn. But, I mean, this movie was really good. And it goes to the performances of these three powerhouse actors. So I really loved what was going on. But the main question after everything, before we get to the ending which way were you leaning with Jared Leto's character

like as did he do it or did he not do it with all the evidence before the ending with all the evidence laid out in front of us I almost wanted to say no he didn't do it because I thought it was just neither he was playing this game where he did do it and he just gave you all the evidence and was just kind of testing them to see if they can catch him.

But I just kind of felt like he was just some fucked up guy that was just super into this stuff. And because we got that, um, that, uh, revelation that, uh, he, um, for a past murder that he, uh, confessed to, but he didn't do it. He just wanted to get in there and just hear all the stuff and look at all the pictures. and I kind of just at certain points just thought he was just really fucked up and maybe he didn't do this. That's how I was leaning because a lot of people were mad that

how it ended. It just basically boom boom the movie was over that was it. And I I was kind of like that too but then after sitting there thinking about it then watching it again I was like, wait a minute.

I mean, they never really had anything on him to say he was the one that did it. I mean, other than they were following him all over the house, they went into his house and searched it up and down and didn't find anything. The creepiness on how he was. But I think he just, other than he was fascinated by these type of thing,

these type of crime investigations. and he knew that they were following him. And I think he was not so much crazy as he would be a killer, but I think he was like trying to push his boundaries on how far are these guys willing to go to think that he did it. Because that's why he was leading Denzo all crazy on the freeway and everything. And then getting on a bus, leaving his house, getting on a bus and spending all day in a strip club, knowing that they were watching him. Yeah, and let me say,

it must pay good to be a refrigerator repair man, because that guy spent a lot of time in strip clubs and brothels. Even when he was in his car, he was like pulling up to hookers and stuff like that, talking to him. Like, it must pay well because. He bought those ones like burgers or something. He left that drive food and burst off.

from the back. Yeah, man. He was just weird. I mean, when they finally basically the, no, Denzel, what, they were doing a stake out at his house and then

Denzel walked to the store to get with batteries or something. I can't remember. And then that's when Jared walked up on Rami and got in the car and told him yeah um i they're well where's the body where's this and i and you go i'll show you

and then took him way out in the middle of nowhere and then he was like oh yeah i think i buried it right over there buried buried buried it right over there i mean right then i was thinking did did he really do it or was he fucking with them for some reason i was thinking denzel was the killer at one point yeah because that scene of what we were talking about i don't know if you mentioned it or not um when denzil snuck into his house to look for evidence and then when when they didn't find anything and rami was like he was like did you find anything and i don't know i think it foreshadowed the end because he said if you would have gave me four five more minutes i could have found something yeah i mean i liked i mean when uh when denzil

So, he broke in the, to Albert's house. Um, I think he knew because then the cops came. Because he called the cops on him. And I loved it how he was just standing across the street. And,

and Rami was like, fuck, what am I going to do? Because he couldn't just charge over there. Or they would have both been in trouble. And I want to know why nobody said something. Because there, because Rami was there,

uh, Jared was there. And there was other witnesses. watching all the cops go into the house and you see the Denzel crawling on the roof. And no one said nothing. Like, hey, there he is. And they just were all watching. Yeah.

And it was a serious call too because you heard it on the radio officer down, officer down. Yeah. So I thought that was really cool. But when we get to the end, when Jared just kind of basically confess that he did it. But then took him way out there. And then we find out that nothing was out there. At first I thought he was just messing with him, like that he did it,

but was making him dig all these different holes just to do it. But Rami was just so just wanting to solve this case. He just lost it. Ended up hitting Albert Palmer with a shovel. I thought it just knocked him out. I didn't. it didn't look like he hit him that hard, but it must have hit him in the right spot and killed him.

Yeah. And then I was like, because then that's when Denzel came back and was like, you know what? I'll be back. Just, we're going to fix this. And he went back to the house.

Like, he basically bagged up all the Albert stuff, right? Yeah, I think if I'm remembering, correctly that the apartment was empty? Yeah, he because he went and bagged up everything and I don't know what time of the night

it was but you think someone might have saw him doing it bringing all that shit out but I don't know so I just thought it was it was weird but then at the end of the thing

at end of the film I mean Sparma's dead but at the end of the film you see They covered it up, basically. But at the end of the film, you see Rami just sitting there. He's at home with his kids. His wife's looking at him. She sees that there's something wrong.

The kids are talking to him. He's just looking off in the space. But you see him in his eyes that this case is going to bother him. I mean, did he do right? Did he find the kid? killer and killed him or was he not the killer and he just murdered an innocent man so i think that that was that one i don't think i mean i know that's why denzil did what he did went and cleaned up the house took everything out of there because one of the uh when the when the when the missing jogger

disappeared they said that she always wore a red barrette so they were uh they said that was one of the key evidence evidence things so when um denzil dropped off uh or anything he mailed it or something but he had a little pack no he had machine bring it yeah machine brought it to the house and he gave it to him he opened it up in this little this little envelope and that red barrette was in there so at that at that point he was like in rami's mind he was like okay he was the guy i got him and we killed them so evil is punished and all that but then we go to denzel he's at his house in the middle of the desert somewhere we see that he took all of albert's farmers belongings and just started burning it all but the last thing he threw in the fire was a package of barrettes and there was one

missing yeah see did did it make you seem like he's very used to disposing of evidence um I don't think so. I know he did it to cover up that murder or the accidental murder of one of the victims. But when he told him, when he told, when Denzel told Rami not to worry about the little things because that would, that was basically that that'll fuck your life up. So don't try not to worry about it. Because he didn't want Rami to, to be like him, to lose his wife, to lose his kids and lose his job, basically. So he I think that's why he did that

Because I'm sure Danzel's character is still His mind is still all messed up And he doesn't know if he'll ever get His life back on track But I think he didn't want Romer He didn't want Rami Character to be like that

What the hell is his name Detective Jim Baxter He didn't He did that was Rami's character and Denzo was Deke or Joe Deacon. He didn't want him to live his life like that, to just lose his family and lose everything.

So I think that's why he gave him that little Barrett to just, all right, I'm good. I can still be a detective. Evil is punished and all that. So but when the, like I said, when the first time watched it when it was over, I had to go back and watch the beginning because I was still like, wait a minute that didn't look like uh ram or not raw that didn't look like Jared in the

beginning of the film because I went back and watched it and that guy that was following that girl in the car in the very beginning in the film he he looked taller and he had uh cowboy boots and everything because a girl did say that they said well what do you and he goes I don't know I know I just know he had real fancy boots so I mean that was all see now now I need to go back and watch it one more time because there was wasn't denzil carrying like old evidence of fancy boots yeah but that's why i went back too because he when they went into his room he had those fancy little cowboy boots on the on the bed and then because that's what kind of also made me think did denzil kill all these people because that one scene you mentioned when he saw those those

uh the dead girls in his room when he was sitting there just kind of spacing out it made me think were these the ghosts of the or the spirits of the girls he murdered? If you guys are hearing drums beating in the background with my grandson but background music so that's

that's that's because that's what made me think that he he was the killer at one point but then going watching it again I went now okay that was just in his head on why why when we finally finally see all his background we see why what was what was fucking with

So I was like, okay, well, he's, he's not the killer. But I mean, because when they, because they mentioned, that girl mentioned some fancy boots. And then we see those boots on Denzel's bed. And I was like, wait a minute. That's why I went back to the beginning to see who that guy looked like. But he didn't have these fancy cowboy boots on. He had like black worker boots steel toe boots on. Mm-hmm.

So I was like, hmm. But then again, was that the killer? and yeah yeah and got to bring up real quick when they had the witness from the beginning they said they couldn't use her because she's seen him before they did the lineup yeah but she swears that was him yeah she saw him when when he was in the hall the albert's barma jared lettle's character that's why i think that's why she chose them because she she didn't really get a good look at that first guy in the beginning beginning. But then again,

my questions were, was that the killer or was it just some creep just trying to scare some girl? And the missing jogger that disappeared. They ended up finding her body, right? I know I saw it twice, but I did a lot of shit. I can't remember.

I think they did. I think they did. Okay. Remember she was running with one of her friends and he said, well, he was going to run her home. She said, no, I can make it home And he went, all right, see you later. So you run her home anyways, guy. Yeah.

So he went home and she started going towards her house. You see a car coming up behind her and then follow her. So we assume that that was a guy that kidnapped and killed her. Because it didn't look like the same car from the beginning. I think the first car was like a dark, either black or blue car. And then the car that followed the jogger was like a brown. car and then when we see Jared Leto's car it's like some badass I don't know what it was but that's why it was like well what's going on he I know that wasn't Jared at the beginning

yeah there's a lot of questions because with the car thing Denzel said he believes that the killer could possibly have more than one car yeah so I don't know I mean Danzel did it because when they go to the when they they were checking all these scenes, they had noticed that whoever this killer was went in there and cooked food and drank beer and drank milk and this and that.

And then when they were digging through Albert Sparma's garbage, or when Denzo went in the house, he looked in the garbage, saw, no, no, no, no. The garbage at the witnesses, she had beer cans and everything. But then when he went into Albert's

house and opened his refrigerator, that exact same beer brand was in his his fridge. I mean, but and it goes back to like I said, they laid all this evidence out in front of you to point us towards Albert Palmer as being the killer. But there was other stuff in this film that made you go, no. So, I mean, my, my conclusion at the end of this film,

I think Albert Sparmer was just some weirdo. They liked, like going to strip clubs, strip clubs. and was fascinated with detective and serial killer stories because we see that in his apartment. But nothing led that nothing in that apartment led to that he was a murderer. So, I mean, that's what I came. I mean, I think Jim Baxter, Detective Jim Baxter just murdered a weirdo. I don't think he was, yeah, he was a suspect, but there was no evidence to say that

he was the one. So, I mean, the murder is still running wild. I would like to know not so much a movie, maybe a story. Because if this killer that was out there killing and the one that kidnapped that girl, either he just killed her and that was it, that was the end of his reign of terror, or did he continue to kill? Because there would, he didn't really, this killer or whoever it was didn't really have that same thing same um uh fuck like like how the john john doan and seven he he had a plan and

it was the the seven deadly sins and he was working his way up so they figured they knew it was the same guy that was killing everyone in this in this in this story the little things we don't know if the whoever the murderer was Did he have some kind of plan and have the same issues or was doing the same thing to each victim? Because the victims we see that Denzel, when he was an L.A. detective, the two girls, two girls were murdered and they were like tied up and I think they were leaning on a rock or something. It was like they were positioned. Yeah, whoever the murdered them put them in that position. And then he saw when they were there, one made some noise in the bushes.

And he turned around, pull out, pull out, and shot. And it turned out to be one of the victims that was there that was still alive. And she got shot in the back. And she died. But there was only three, no, it was just those two detectives, right? Machine and Denzel. Yeah, machine. And then the other guy, I think he was a detective at the time.

But he would later become, like, police chief or police captain. He was a Rami Mouse captain. Yeah. And so those three. knew what happened and then when they brought in the coroner his friend she was the one that took the bullet out of the back of that third victim and then they just gave it to deke denzel's character because later on we see that little the bullet that she pulled out because he still had it and i think that's what just he knew that he murdered an innocent person or

or one of the victims. But then palms it off as, all right, this lady died the same way these three did. I mean, that they read, they put it in the coroner's report. And then they just didn't do any more investigation on it. Because I figured if they did more investigation, they would have solved it. Hey, man, this one died of a gunshot wound. And these other ones got murdered. However, they were all murdered.

But, I mean, I thought it was a really good thought out story. I know a lot of people wanted death and dismemberment and all that. I did too, but I enjoyed this film on what they did with the story. So there was nothing. And I mean, there was nothing in it that made me go, oh, this movie was dumb and da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And I assume it was just younger viewers that were reviewing this. But, I mean, I thought this movie was awesome.

I mean, I'll definitely pick it up once it comes out. I think this is one of those movies you can watch over and over and you'll find more things in it because, I mean, it's the only way I can put it, they laid the evidence all out in front of you to make you join the detectives, to make you your detective and help do it. My grandson poked his head in here.

To help to make you one of the detectives to try to solve this case. So, it was crazy. But, I mean, I really love this film. I just thought it was an amazing film. And I wasn't the one to hate on it. I mean, after that first watch, I was like, wow, that was a good movie. Yeah, I agree with everything you just said.

And even just now talking about it, I want to go back and watch it because I have more questions now after discussing it with somebody. So I think in that aspect, it does its job. And I think maybe I don't know I might be guilty of this sometimes But maybe we're just starting to get spoiled When it comes to movies

Like we get we get these awesome movies And then we just hell Hold everything to like certain standards And I think once people were like Oh this was trying to be seven I think that's all people had in their head Coming in to watch it That's how I went in with it

But I was like I'm A lot of people, not just this film, other films, oh, this is the next Star Wars. This is the next Jaws or whatever. And when I see them, I'm like, this is not Star Wars and nothing can be Jaws. I don't care what anyone. Even if they try to remake it, no. But it's like with anything, when you compare it something that is well loved, it's automatically going to get hate.

Like I bring up a sports analogy, LeBron James. everybody he's the next Jordan you're automatically just going to put fucking heat and hate on that guy just from that statement King James he's not Jordan no one's going to be Jordan I don't care what anybody says

there's not going to be another Jordan there's not going to be another magic there's not going to be another Kareem another Larry Bird everybody another Kobe they were who they were they're the legends that they are so we got to leave that as that And I'm not even the basketball, NBA guy.

So, but, but, all right, let me read this. This is the very, the last sentence of the Wikipedia thing. It says, the killer in the beginning of the movie is shown walking with a normal stride. Sparma is shown throughout the movie walking with a slight limp and a peculiar stride, indicating Sparma is not the killer. That's why, that reading this sentence right now, that's why one of the reasons I went back to the beginning. Because I said, you see Sparmer walk in. with this kind of his head moving up and down with his swinging his arms and gut sticking out.

And then when we see the killer in the beginning, he's nice tall, straight walking and he didn't look, he just looked like some normal dude. And we can clearly see it was a white guy. So, I mean, but then in my mind, it goes back to, was that just a weirdo that was just like to scare girls out on these lonely highways? Or was he really a killer? Was he the one that they killed? Was he the one that they kidnapped that jogger? I don't know.

We don't know. Yeah, you're right. They could have been in a fucking third person. Yeah. So, I mean, they were trying to throw you for a loop with everyone. But for them to zero in on Albert Sparma, Jared Leto's character. I think they, I think these two detective, the Joe Deakin, he was the county deputy sheriff, or the Kern County Deputy Sheriff

It's outside of a Bakersfield And Rami was The Los Angeles Um It says L-A-S-D Detecting Street Street Detective, I think I could be wrong I don't know

He was a detective in L.A. I know Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department Oh, okay I thought he was a detective Well He is for the All right

right you guys know what i mean it's late but but again yeah i mean they they laid it all down for you and they these two were just they zeroed in on sparma going he's a weirdo he's creepy he's a he's a repair man uh let's because they didn't even try to look for anyone else they zeroed in on him it said he's our man let let's let's try to prove it and he led them on this little wild goose chase So in my eyes, I don't think he was the killer Was that the kill in the beginning? I don't know. Was that the killer?

I mean, we obviously know whoever was in that brown car kidnapped that jogger. But then again, if you want to think about that, maybe that was just a weird old following it. Or maybe that person was going down the wrong road. We don't know. We didn't see anyone. We didn't see that girl get abducted. We just assume that that was whoever in that car.

Killer could have been somebody in the movie. that we haven't even talked about. Yeah. So, I mean, this movie, that's why I loved this so much. It made you think. And they didn't give, we still, at the end of the film, we didn't get an answer. So, I mean, I think this is one of those films you can watch over and over again. And you could lean the way I thought I saw it, or you can lean another direction.

Maybe you can say, no, this is the evidence to say that the farmer was the killer. I don't know. Everyone can determine to figure out this film. Be your own detective and figure it out. But I think this is an amazing film. And I know a lot of people, like I said, didn't like it. But I don't know what they wanted. And yeah, the little things.

That's all we could be our own night. And I'm getting a headache trying to put it all together. It ain't like you, man. It's making me want to watch it again. if anybody has HBO Max this movie will be streaming until February 28th um yep they yanked off um what you mcgall already yeah god damn it um wonder woman

i'm okay with that yeah all right um was this your pick yep it's your pick now what did i pick the Superman too last time Okay. All right. I thought of a movie, but I'm not sure. It was on Amazon. Let me see if it's still there.

Hmm. Nope. Damn, none of the movie. I don't want to pick her on here. They used to be, but now they're not. Let me go to trusty old YouTube. I know I should have. had this pulled up. Ah, here it is. It's a film on YouTube, so you guys, everyone's got YouTube so you can watch it.

You either seen this film or you didn't see it. But this is the 1989 Christian Slater classic gleaming the cube. Yes. So we'll be talking about on the next stream fiends. I have not covered this film on anything. Really? No, nothing. I mean, what did I?

Oh, Rad. what I did a commentary for a rat. I eventually want to do a commentary for that also made these film thrashing. But this film it's really good. If you guys have not seen gleaming the cube, definitely watch. It's not just

a skateboard film and yeah, I love skateboarding because I'm a diehard skateboarder, but this film is more than skateboarding. That's why I'm choosing the... Detective Mystery. Yeah, that's why I'm choosing this film. There's another one to talk to. It's not a little thing,

But it's something different to check out. But all right, everyone. I think that's it this far. If nobody was here, damn it, I would watch little things. But it's kind of hard when you got grandkids running all over the house and screaming. And I don't think anyone's going to bed anytime soon. But we got to tell him, you better go to bed so Santa can come. There you go.

Plus, I got to finish his rapping. My wife's already texting me. You're done, you're done. But yeah, everyone, thank you so much for listening to this episode. But again, you be the judge on who you think the killer is in this film. If you've seen it once, maybe us talking about it will make you want to watch it again. With a little bit of evidence that we were throwing out at you. But, yeah, again, I can't wait for this to come out on Bluroy or 4K, whatever.

I'm definitely going to pick this up. But everyone, please, if you're new to the show, welcome. Thank you for listening. Go back in what episode is this? I want to say eight or nine. One of those.

Sorry everyone. I mean, we do so much. We're lost. I don't even remember what number we're at with the action returns. Okay, action returns is 27, and this is episode eight. There you go.

Superman 2 was number 7. And thank you all for listening to the action returns as well. as stream fiends. I see these numbers with the downloads and thank you all for listening. Please go over and listen to more

of the shit that I do over on Skaternes podcast network with the East Society as well as McNaz definitely. And brother Brian, man, I got to, you do you do so much for us just promoting our shows and everything. I mean, Brian here is a true Superman. He,

does a lot, not just for the horror returns network, as well as our network over Skaternez. And dude, I mean, you're the best, man. I love you, brother. Thank you so much for everything you do for us, as well as other podcasts, man. All of you guys are out there. Man, Brian is the man, man. He promotes everybody that he knows dealing with podcasts and everything. So, man, again, you're the true Superman of this both networks, really, because you're a part of our network as well. That's why I do. We're all family here. Yeah, we are.

But yeah, go listen to all the crap I'm doing over there. East Society, we got another one coming really soon. We got to do a three-episode mashup of Wanda Vision. We're three episodes behind. That's so good. I didn't watch new episodes. I don't say nothing. I stay away from spoilers on that thing.

But yeah, everyone, thank you so much for listening to stream fiends as well as action returns. And come back next week or whenever when we got, I don't even know what action movie we're doing, but as well as more stream fiends when we do 89 classic gleaming the cube. So until next time, everyone, be safe out there and party on. Yes, absolutely. Everybody be safe out there. And never trust anybody that ask you, how's the trunk space?