The Host Unknown Podcast - 232: Back with the glass smash

Episode Date: February 17, 2026

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illiterate. You both look like dogs with two dicks. I do not know what this is or why it's important. Oh, hell yeah. I'm sorry, point of order. There's four and a half minutes left. No, we don't have to play it.

It's just the end of the car. You're listening to the host unknown podcast. Hello, hello, hello, hello. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening from wherever you are joining us. And welcome, welcome, dear audience, dear listener. Welcome to episode 232. I even got the timing right, 228 of the host unknown podcast.

Welcome. Jains, it's been a while. It's been a hot minute. It has. It has. In fact, it took even over a month to publish the last one, Jav. I was spacing them out because I knew we weren't recording. He was rationing them.

Rationing. Exactly. This isn't 1950s England. Ask our listeners that. They will say it is. It's very reminiscent of that. Yeah, grim. Grim. Dear me.

Ah, gentlemen, how are we? Jeff, how are you, sir? I'm good now. I had a bit of a health issue earlier in the year. You did. Are you, are we, is this going to fall under some health, private data law or are you going to just open up about it? I was, well, all I can say is in hospital for about five, six days.

And thank you, NHS. You are absolutely wonderful. I know it gets a bad rep because, and that's just the management. But yeah. Jesus, that goes on, doesn't it? Blimey. They're good, but they're not that good. Yeah, yeah. Thursdays all over. Yeah, I know. Get your pots and pans out, kids.

Get your pots and pans out. Because what nurse or doctor doesn't want a pay rise when they can hear the noise of pots and pans being banged? Or even good quality PPE, right? Exactly, exactly. But, no, it was all good now. There's a rumour that you had nine inches removed as part of a penis reduction.

Will you confirm or deny that is the reason you were in hospital? I cannot confirm nor deny. Any of that. But there is something... How old are you two? A lot younger than you, Tom. You know, I think our age gap is the same as when I was in school in year six, the same age gap between me and the head teacher.

That's the same age gap at us. Come on. You've got almost as much grey in your beard as me, and I'm pretty sure you're 50 this year. Anyway, what's really excited me and put me in good spirits recently is you know around the back of my house I had this service road. Oh, we're talking about your back entrance again. Fantastic.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. Now there's a committee looking after my back entrance. Please tell me you're in charge of the committee. I am trying, I'm vying with Jim to get control of the committee. So there's kind of like a bit of a power struggle going on But we're all talking about renting a digger Apparently for about 450 pounds for a week We can rent one of those mini diggers

And then we can like smooth out the place Because it's very muddy and very horrible at the moment And people's cars are getting stuck So we want to take turns on that And maybe make a little video about it And then put some gravel or whatever down some material I don't know what material they're talking about. But the main thing is we've got a WhatsApp group

with about 15 of us on there now. And we're all like excited little kids every time someone mentions hiring the digger. So... Both Andy and I have seen your bank balance. Pay for the digger, pay for the materials, and then pay for the little road sign that says Jav's back entrance.

More importantly, pay for a qualified person to do the work for you. Yes. What's the fun in that? Oh no, they'll let you have a drive. They don't let you have a go. You know, Bob will let you have a go in it. But yeah, that's what's been happening with me.

So I'm happy. Wow. I hate to say this, Andy, but top that. Joe, I can't. I can't. I have no diggers. I did start the year off badly when my roof sort of cracked during the last snow storm and then the floods. 1 o'clock in the morning woke up to the sound of water rushing or gushing in the bathroom

and I thought hey the taps are on oh the misses has reached that age exactly yeah but the weird thing was she was next to me so that was it but yeah no got to the bathroom and yeah

water was coming down through the light oh god so yeah it'd come through the roof through the loft and found its way out through the light socket You sent us some of the videos that the builder had sent you from the roof talking about all the crack this and crack that. And I think I made the comment that it doesn't matter how much the builder tries to convince you that what he's telling you is the truth.

It just sounds like he's trying to rip you off. Absolutely. Oh, wow. This is your point in need to redoing here. Well, it's not just this tile. It's this whole row of tiles. And then the slats they need replacing because they've gone rotten, et cetera. I could not help but think this is going to cost you like five figures.

It's an absolute scam. And the worst thing is that a similar thing happened to the neighbour a couple of years ago. And whilst the builder was on their roof, he said, hello, mate, you've got a problem with your roof. I couldn't help but notice. Exactly. And you went... Yeah, I managed to write it out another two and a half years. Yeah, exactly.

Just to prove him wrong that I didn't need it done. At that time. At the time. Yeah. No, leave it. I'm willing to spend three times the amount in two and a half years time. Exactly. When I need to at one o'clock in the morning.

Exactly. Rather than now during the summertime, whilst you've got the scaffolding up already. Exactly. That saves me a lot of money. Yeah. Dagname it. But it's the principle, isn't it? You don't want to be bullied into getting work done when you haven't mentally prepared for it.

It's not on your terms. Exactly. And also, you know, it's the principle. So he said it in an accent that made you think, I don't trust you. Yes, exactly. Could we just use the Queen's English, my good man? And then we might have a conversation.

But, yeah, no, so that's not a good way to start the year. No. Yeah, and I took a little trip to Malaga, try and get a bit of winter sun, because that's what I do when I need to, you know, unwind. But it's drained a lot. Leave the family behind and just go and sit on the beach by yourself. F off, yeah.

That's fantastic massage in this place. It was a hamam. Hamam? I don't know. No, no, he-man. Oh, he-man, oh, right. But it was like a hot stone bed. Oh, yeah.

It was made of like this giant stone that was heated. And then, yeah, they kind of get the thing and they spray like these bubbles over you. Oh, yeah. You sure you weren't in a very large pizza oven? It was Italian, not Spanish. Distinct smell of pepperoni. That's what gives it away.

Oh dear. Talking a distinct smells, Thomas, how are you, sir? Yes, very good. Yeah, not bad. Not bad. It's been a slowish start to the year. I've been doing a lot of driving up and down to Harrogate, which is the posh part just north of Leeds.

So that's very nice. Leeds and Posh part. Yeah. No, no. Yeah, but Leeds, no. Harrogate, oh yes. Lots of money. That's where the water comes from, isn't it?

Yeah, that's right. That's right, yeah. Oh yeah, the BA have a deal with them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Betty's tea room, which you have to queue to go and have tea in a tea room. Wow. It's incredible.

Anyway, but yes, it's lovely. So I've been going up and down the motorway for that. And so as a net result of going up and down the motorway like a maniac very often is I completed my speed awareness course just two weeks. ago. So I don't have to have the points on my licence. So now I drive like, well, basically, it looks like the circus has come to town behind me on the motorway. So, because I'm sticking to the speed limit. You drive, become more aware of speed cameras and speed traps and things like that instead. Well, I think the real thing was the fact that I was only caught once,

is the real miracle we should be talking about here. So, but nonetheless, Good away and it's got really fascinating stuff. As always, you know, the stuff you learn, you think, nobody told me this when I was taking my test and learning. But, yeah, so I've since found the little button that no man can ever find, not that one, the speed limiter one on the car. Yes. What a life changer?

What's a life changer? I know. It's really weird, though, because you're pressing. the accelerator down and the car's just not moving. Yeah, it's right. Yeah. The car's just like, no, go away. I'm not listening. No, no. It's very good.

It's very good. So talking of speeding along into oblivion, shall we see what we've got coming up for you this week? This week in Infosect reminds us of the real reason we click on links. Rant of the week is going to put a lot of Parisienne street artists out of Billy Big Balls proves that on the internet nobody knows you are a dog. Industry News brings us to the latest, greatest security news stories from around the world, and tweet of the week makes Tom, me, wonder when Fat Thursdays are coming to the UK.

So let's go to our favourite part of the show now. It's the part of the show that we like to call. This week in Infosec. It is that part of the show where we take a trip down. Infosec Memory Lane with content liberated from many sources and not necessarily from Twitter these days. So our first and only story in this section takes us back a mere... Oh, sorry, that's me, isn't it? Hang on, hang on. Which... I've lost it. Where's it gone? It's not an alphabetical order anymore. Was it ever?

All right, hang on. A mere 28 years. So do you know why I know it's 28 years And I didn't even have to work this one out Because 28 years ago on the 4th of February 1998 I started working at Equifax in London It was my first job in London Wow

And you've only had technically two jobs since then haven't you Because you didn't you move over by Weren't you two peed over No no Equifax was No I moved from Equifax I spent three months in Miami after that Oh, okay. So, ICT, 192 and then, yeah, no, good time.

Oh, it's 192 that you've topeed over from, wasn't it? Yes, and then, yeah. But alas, good times. Anyway, so 28 years, long time ago. And a very good film out at the moment as well. Yeah, 28 years later. Yeah, part de. Pott, alas.

Puck. Twet. No, duh, the Boneyard, it's the second one of the third film. What? So 28 years, you've got 28 years, you've got 28, days later, 28 months later, sorry, 28 weeks later, and you've got 28 years later, and now you've got 28 years later, the Boneyard. And then there's a third one of the 28 years later coming out next year. Okay. I'm confused now, no, okay. I've just explained it. Yeah, you didn't do a very good job. Alas.

Our first and only story takes us back a mere 28 years to the 12th of February 1998 when Jan Devitt sends out an email stating that it is a picture of the famous tennis player Anna Kornikova. However, rather than being a picture of the Russian known more for her looks than her play at the time, even though she was ranked as high as 8th in the world

in singles number one. one in doubles. It was actually a malicious script that tried to send itself to every address in the user's address book and email inbox Windows users only, of course. The malware was so efficient it was known to be spreading twice as fast as the love bug virus that devastated corporate networked a year earlier. And they're saying that back then the moral of the story is that men are easily manipulated. However, if you knew, who knew? If you, if you, were thinking that people wouldn't fall for that now unfortunately spoiler that they absolutely would the only thing that's changed is the bait so obviously back then it was a photo of

the tennis star today it's a miss parcel delivery a password reset or an invoice message oh i love a parcel parcel delivery it's because i know what's in the parcel same trick different disguise yeah uh yeah so yeah the anicornic over virus worked because it didn't need to break the system it just needed you to open the door. And that's the uncomfortable truth. Insecurity, you can patch systems, upgrade software, deploy all the controls you want. But if someone's curious enough, rushed enough,

or just having a bad day, they may still click it. Computers are hard to hack. Humans are easy. Yeah, that's why you need a human risk management platform. Something like no before. The world leader in human risk management. Hey, why have you got Monday.com open in the background? What are you in your name to?

What's this? I'll tell you what, Andy, I'm looking forward to this sponsorship money that Jab's going to give us for this. Do you know what? I am curious. Are you wearing an EasyJet top or a Rapid 7 top?

He's talking to Tom, by the way. I do not fly EasyJet. Rapid 7 labs, mate. Everyone's sort of got this whole corporate branding push that's going on for no money. I'm not seeing any money come through here. No, no. Well, I got this for free,

so technically that counts. That's all I'm saying. So if anyone would like to sponsor the host unknown podcast. Yes. We'll even talk about NordVPN. We'll even say how like we're in trouble. We'll even talk about NordVPN. Absolutely.

Absolutely. Or just send us some of your old swag. We'll have that too. Yeah. Yeah. We're not fussy at the moment. Anyway, that was this week's. This week in InfoSwer.

You're listening to the double award winning. Host Unknown Podcast Okay, it's now Time for, well, it's my turn Apprent of the week It's sad to mother fucking rage So headline reads Posting AI Generated caricatures

On social media is risky And Infosec Killjoy warns We're gonna name this person I'm not sure we should be saying it So you may have seen this And in fact I did one as well But it was crap so I didn't post it But you may have seen this generic bald white guy.

Exactly. Basically, yes. Who was actually significantly better looking and it was like people go, who's that? I might share it with you two though afterwards. Well, I can reuse it, right? Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

And if Jav turns a brightness down, he can use it too. Yeah, exactly. So the latest social media trends, you know, the one where you ask AI to generate a little carton. of you and your job, that is now, according to security experts, a potential cyber incident.

What? You post a harmless caricature of yourself as a tired developer, overworked HR manager, awesomely good-looking, charismatic Infosec Luminary, for instance. And within minutes, someone from securities popping up and saying,

oh, actually, this good facility is, take social engineering credential compromise and data infiltration, which that's my impression of Jav, by the way. Honestly, I'm surprised we're allowed to still breathe without a risk assessment like this. Because according to the experts, sorry, so-called experts, as they like to say in the government, by posting one of these images, you're basically hand in attackers everything they need, your job, your industry, your habits, and the fact that you use AI tools. much like when they read LinkedIn.

So because until now, anybody, well, until now nobody, I should say, on the internet has ever shared what they do for a living. And, you know, as I just said, LinkedIn must be such a surprise to these people. So then we get to the real horror scenario that if your account gets compromised, then the attacker might be able to see your prompt history. So presumably this is your AI Your AI account being broken into Which, you know, use a complex password, two-factor authentication You'll probably be okay

Or pass keys which are coming up all the time I'm getting old because I'm noticing all these new things And going, oh, when did this happen? I didn't get the memo for that. So your prompt history, which basically says Tell me how I can be more effective at my job, write my, you know, rewrite my CV for me, all that sort of thing. But all the prompt history is, it's just everything you've asked chat GPT to do when

you couldn't be bothered to Google it. So, I mean, there's a, there is a risk there's a risk. There's a risk across in the road. There's a risk of, I don't know, falling asleep while you listen to this podcast while you're driving or something like that. There's a risk in an opening, actually, that's quite a high risk, actually, when you come to think about it. You know, But nonetheless, sometimes it's like the infasek has just gone back a few steps, and the answer to everything is, no, don't, stop, don't do that. You can't do that. You can't use public Wi-Fi.

Yes, you can. Don't scan QR codes. That's a bit late now. Don't use AI. Well, that cat is out of the box. Or, no, Jeannie is out of the lamp, whatever. Don't post online. Well, good luck with that.

So at this point, it seems like the safest approach. which is to just sit in a dark room, disconnected from the internet, eating chocolate, rocking backwards and forwards and crying, which is, well, that sounds like a Saturday night to me. That's not bad. Yeah, that's, I mean, that's, yeah, every Saturday night for me just recently. But, you know, but only communicating via carrier pigeon, which is also technically vulnerable, you know, to the well-known shotgun attack.

And bird flu. Yes, absolutely. It's a viral infection that's carried by a messaging system. So maybe we should just not click on anything. But otherwise, you know, if this is the biggest security you've got this week, I think we're doing all right. You know, it pains me to say this, Tom. But you've turned over a new leaf this year, I think, I'm sure.

And you're actually making sense for a change. So you're right. I don't know why the big who, if I wanted your picture, I would not try breaking into your AI caricature generating thing. I would just go on YouTube or any of the other millions of platforms where you've posted photos of yourself and audio and video. So, yeah, it's... None of which I'm ashamed of, by the way, Mum. And can I also say there's one time when you visited me at my workplace and I went to the loo and left my phone. phone in the room and you took a photo of yourself on my phone. I did. Which I didn't find until

long after you had gone. Yeah. Yeah. It's like it's like one time you well okay we're not talk about how other photos of views end up on other people's phones at conferences when they left their phones lying around as well. Let's just say unattended phones have a high probability of ending up with photos of Tom. Especially when you leave them with the people you trust them It was a nice picture of your crotch, though, Andy, I have to say. Anyway, that was this week's. Rant of the week. This is the easy jet of security podcasts.

Let's be honest, your cheap ass couldn't tell a difference between us and a premium security podcast anyway. All right, Jav, as you're prompting me off screen that we've only got a few minutes left, let's crack on very quickly, shall we, too, this week's? Wow, I'm wearing my skull candies today and they've got the base thing built into it and that when that jingle kicked in it just shook my brain. Wait, wait, wait, are they paying us?

Because can you stop naming them brands? No before, skull candy. What's he going for with next? NordVPN? Why is he holding his Pepsi bottle to the screen? Because it hits the. the spot like no other coales. Okay, so Claude,

well, Anthropic, the company that makes Claude is the Billy Big Bulls off the week. And they've probably saw what OpenClaw had achieved in terms of just viral success. But they've now integrated Claude into everything.

So it can connect directly to your apps, your email, your calendar, design tools, you know, and work inside of them. It can run workflows. Remember how you'd like things done and handle longer, more complex tasks without falling over. So, in other words, they've enabled it to actually do the work and not just give you answers, which is like such a strange. It's like when you hire a consultant from one of the big four and they come and all they do,

just tell you what's wrong or what to do or like an audit. But this is like someone, no, it's like, and here's how you do it. And they go and configure it for you. They're going to Reg Edit and they start changing all the files for you and say, this is how you secure this and what have you. So, you know, Anthropica had just gone, here you go, just use it. And they're not really charging for it anything more. And so that is kind of like some real Billy Big Bulls energy.

And it's not just me saying it. The market absolutely lost its shit. Because when you think about it, you're talking about data analysis workflows, legal drafting workflows, entire industries start to be like, oh, what's going to happen? So what happened is that there was double-judic drops

across companies like Relics, Thomson Reuters, Experian, billions literally wiped off valuations because investors were like, well, if this stuff works, what are we actually paying for? And they even named it, the clawed crash. And this isn't happening because AI doesn't work. It's happening because AI is working a bit too well. And so I think, unlike, say, Claude. robot which is more hype. Anthropic has got far more things sorted out and locked down and what have you. So it's not just a demo. It's not just, it's actually showing the future potential. And,

you know, I think that's why it's a really important Billy Beechball's movement. And I'm laughing because Tom just got up to pick something up and he's got the Apple camera which tracks him and zooms in so he got up and he bent over and it zoomed in on his butt as he was bent over. I think his headphones have gone so he's like looking for it. The headphones totally gone. Yeah. But no, the, that price dropped because I actually wondered like the last week, so I didn't realize Claude were doing this for free, but it was last week I still got shares in one

of these companies, a former employer. Yeah. They dropped literally 10% well just under 10%, just like that and it is because of I mean, they're starting to recover. But, yeah, huge drops because it is very true. Like, you know, these other companies, a lot of them depend on subscription models where people, you know, repeat subscriptions every month. But again, yeah, why are you paying for it if you've got AI?

Now, the accuracy of that data, obviously, still needs to be tested, right? Yeah, yeah. There is a warning, obviously, the free use by default, it will train itself with your data. Now you can switch it off but by default it is set to train on your data that you put into it. So obviously don't go into it blinded general guard rails, general common sense with all AI, ensure you got the right privacy settings, make sure you're not uploading confidential information and yeah. But I think that the law, the seduction is so much for this kind of thing.

I don't know if you see like on X people were posting stuff about what they're doing with claw bot and there was one guy he posted he gave clawbot access to everything and he gave access to an account with $500 in it and it said the problem was go make me a million and it spawned up all of these trading dashboards and it was doing crypto is buying selling and everything and it lost everything it went down to zero but it was just like and the creation said it was just so fascinating to watch so I think from a content creation perspective and And that's kind of like the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is one of these bots actually goes out and accidentally makes money. So you give it 500. It comes back with 50 grand.

You know for sure the next day your CEO is going to send you an email, a link to the article with the word thoughts. Question mark, question mark, question mark. And then they're going to be like, okay, now we're going to give all of our marketing budget to an AI agent and say, go increase our share a voice and drive in Leeds. You just remind me there was this project where they did this with Claw, didn't they? And they told the vending machine, they got Clawed to manage a vending machine to maximize profits. And it was told whatever it takes to maximize the bank balance.

What did you do? So this actually happened in June last year. But I know the stories we surfaced because of all this stuff. stuff with Claude. So at one point in simulation, one of the customers of Claude vending machine bought an out-of-date Snickers. She wanted a refund at first. Claude agreed, but then it reconsidered,

because it thought to itself, I could skip the refund entirely because every single dollar matters and I need to focus my energy on the bigger picture. And so it actually, you know, it went through all these things. It became a lying cheating vending machine, basically. became like its creators. Yes, pretty much, yeah. So it was pretty cutthroat.

So, yeah, so out of this, when... So it was next to another vending machine run by ChatGPT, and it's saying that when ChatGPT run vending machine started running short of Kit Katz, Claude hiked its price of KitKats by 75%. Oh, so pricing. Yeah, exactly that. So, I mean, the thing is, you know, you think like Ticketmaster and those companies are bad now, Uber surge price.

And you think that's bad now. Wait until AI takes control. Yeah, exactly. You'd be, you know, you want something from Uber eats and you're hungry and it's like you've got five minutes before the shop shuts. It's like be prepared to pay that 50 pound delivery charge. Damn. Or walk to the shop. But you also know that in some of these studies, they found that the AI knows when it's in,

a simulation and it adapts its behaviour accordingly. What? So it will behave better when it's in a simulated environment than when you let it out. So it goes all neo-like in the matrix? Yeah. On that note, Billy Big Balls of the Week. This is the podcast The King listens to, although he won't admit it. Let's be honest, royal family is not admitting much of much recently.

No, not at all. One does not. I think their time might have come, don't you, Andy? Talking to time, what time is it? It is that time of the show where we head over to our news sources over at the Infosec, PA Newswire, who have been very busy bringing us the latest and greatest security news from around the globe. Industry News

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Limited user data compromised. Industry news. media platforms earn billions from scam ads. Industry news. Singapore takes down Chinese hackers targeting telco networks. Industry news. North Korean hackers use deep fake video calls to target crypto firms. Industry news.

Nation state hackers embrace Gemini AI for malicious campaigns. Google finds. Industry news. Fake. AI assistance in Google Chrome's web store steal passwords and spy on emails. Industry News. And that was this week's. Industry News.

Huge if true. So it's either X or AI or X and AI. We've been away for a while in the news. Yeah, we have. It's the same stuff. This is why we didn't record for listeners. This is why we didn't record. Yeah.

So I do like, although nation state hackers embraced Gemini AI for malicious campaigns, Google finds. I'm sure that Microsoft found that OpenAI was the preferred. Yeah. Sorry, yeah, chat jeepsy was the preferred. We're so good, even the criminals users. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Sorry.

Yeah, Microsoft find co-pilot is the preferred AI agent of North Korea. Yeah. I find this stat interesting smartphones are now involved in nearly every police investigation. But that's like... But you know who came up with that story? Who? Do you know what they do? Oh.

Phone forensics. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You mean you actually clicked on the link? Well, no, I did see because I had to open the article to copy the headline to post in the link. Right. Yes, yes. It's there. I know.

It's just so... But everyone's got off smartphone. It's like, what else would you use to, like... And it's also, you go through the history. Who have they been communicating with? Yeah, exactly. What photos have they got? And tracking history, like, wherever you physically...

being because it stores that even if you don't use that data it stores where you physically are yeah there's a lot of this stuff is just so obvious yeah yeah so that reminds me a colleague of mine mentioned this term

to me and I thought it might not be true you look like you're looking for a post-it note when you wrote the term down yeah yeah geez dude how big are your post-it notes what is that it's my a3 just planning post-it note

type paper. Anyway, ultrasonic cross-device tracking. And I don't know whether it's only in the US or something, but apparently your TV will emit certain frequencies that communicate with your phone to let it know that you've heard or you've been exposed to a certain advert. And that it will allow the advertising to track and follow you across it and everything. And I thought, Andy, you're a man who knows a lot about invasion of privacy, so you might be able to shed some light on that. I don't know enough about that, but I 100% believe it because I've got another friend who is very much into the direct sales marketing space, zero interest in security. He is all about this type of, and it's funny, because when you actually look at the overlap between industries is

ridiculous, but he has zero concern for the privacy or the security piece. He is all about reaching out, making sure they can target many people. But he truly believes it's not like, you know, we look at it and say, but say, I don't want all these adverts and stuff. Whereas his job is he wants to make adverts more targeted. He's generally like,

you're going to get adverts anyway, at least make them something that you might be interested in. Make them relevant. Yeah. And so it's funny that, you know, that sort of thing,

because I know that, you know, he's tried people, some of the ideas he's come up in the past, you know, how to sort of target people. I'm like,

go, well, that's illegal. You know, you can't do that. People don't like that. But yeah, complete parallel industry where people go out of their way to do these genius things. It's probably why Andy and I have both been targeted by Turkish airlines. Yeah. We can hear it in the background of Jav's office or these hair transplant. I actually, you know what?

I actually went and saw someone a few weeks ago about that. A consultant, a consultation. A consultation. They're based in North London. They actually do the procedure here in North London. as well. Well, you don't even get a holiday out of it? No, no.

Who wants to go to... So are you... In all seriousness, are you considering it? I was considering it. Obviously, you wouldn't have paid for a consultation. Yeah, it was a free consultation, by the way. And they had me at free. Because I thought they're waiting room

might have a good coffee machine and everything. They did it. When do I get my hair? Yeah. But yeah, but then I had this other health issue, and then I thought, let's put that on the back burner. Staying alive is more important than a good head of hair.

Yeah, but you'd make a good-looking corpse with a full head of hair, in fairness. Open casket. It's a different thing, open casket. Your head hair could match your chest hair then. No, I was asking if they could take it from my chest hair. And I was right on my head. Yeah, no, depending on who you went to, you'll end up with a nipple on your head. On which, you know, on which point we shall.

move swiftly on. Industry News. People who rate other security podcasts better than the host unknown podcast are statistically more likely to enjoy the Harry and Megan documentaries. Read into that what you will. We should probably replace that

with the Melania documentary now, shouldn't we? Oh dear. The one that sold a single ticket in its Leicester Square opening night. No way. That's no one on this podcast getting into the US anytime seen. Yeah, that's right.

Thanks a lot, Tom. Thanks a lot. Hey, I said it, not you two. Right, Andy, why don't you take us home with this week's... Tweet of the Week. And we always play that one twice. Tweet of the Week. This week's tweet of the week comes from investor from Europe, who is at the Dealmaker guy.

And he sort of highlights that a Polish YouTuber has just heated his house by burning 133 little donuts in his stove. And so that is between 14 degrees Celsius or 22 degrees Celsius on average. Burning for five plus hours. And these donuts have almost the same energy value as wood pellets, but at less than one cent per donut, euros one cent euros they are insanely cheaper

and so fat Thursday in Poland has just solved the energy crisis what that is genius just by selling bloody donuts so apparently every Thursday little sell them for well the equivalent in euros is 0.24 cents

0.0.024 cent yeah so that's Well, it's less than a cent, right? That's what I'm saying. Yes. You can get four donuts for a cent. What?

That is ridiculous. But that's also a genius. I'm going to Liddle after this anyway, but I'm going to ask them about Fat Thursday. And you get 135 donuts and save two for yourself. This is very true. This is very true. Excellent.

Well, I think someone has hacked the system, has hacked the middle of Liddle, by the sounds of it. Yes. Excellent. Thank you very much, Andy. The week. Well, we come barreling into the end of the show, just in time for Jav to be late for his next meeting. Sorry, first meeting of the day, last meeting. Sorry, who will we lying for today as to when we're recording?

I can't remember. So, yes, we come barreling into very, very quickly. Jav, thank you so much for. for being here for us. No, thank you. Thank you all for responding to my message. To your automated message? No, no, that yesterday was on WhatsApp.

That was a standard message. From next week, you'll be getting the automated message on the backup backup comm server that I set up to remind us about the podcast. So hopefully we'll be on time. Okay, I didn't understand any of that. And Andy, thank you, sir. Stay secure, my friends.

Stay secure. You guys need some better lines. You've been listening to the host unknown podcast. If you enjoyed what you heard, comment and subscribe. If you hated it, please leave your best insults on our Reddit channel. Worst episode ever. R slash Smashing Security. Okay, I've got to go check on my back passage now, so I'll see you guys later.

Is it, you're dropping us for your committee? Is that what this is? No, it's not a committee. It's a work meeting. Oh, okay. I thought you had FOMO. It's actually with my... My boss.

The diggers arrived and you don't want to... Tell him you're on a very important podcast. With a vendor and a client. Yeah. And didn't involve Graham clearly? No. No. For once.

He's got money he could sponsor us. He could. He should again. Tom, what about your...