The Host Unknown Podcast - Episode 134 - Happy Birthday The Duchess of Ladywell

Starting point is 00:00:00 so Dana White who's the president of the UFC and you might have seen, heard this he bought this is this a wrestling thing? UFC, Ultimate Fighting Championship cage fighting, mixed martial arts yes

Starting point is 00:00:16 completely different Tom, completely different keep up Boomer do they pretend? he bought this organisation called Power Slap. Are these the guys that stand either side of a table and you get one slap? Exactly. Yes, yes. They stand either side of the table and you've got a handle on the table you've got to hold on to, I think, and what have you.

Starting point is 00:00:43 And you just slap. And it is just brutal. Yeah. The women's one is even like, you know. You can lose teeth just by getting slapped. Yes, yes. And then on New Year's Eve at a party, he was filmed. Him and his wife are talking about something.

Starting point is 00:01:02 She slaps him and then he proper slaps her and knocks her out as well and now i think that they're just removing all mention of power slap because every time you search for it it comes up with dana white power slap and it's not about the organization it's about him and his wife like slapping the shit out of each other oh man i didn't know he owned it yeah he just recently just recently i've seen loads of those videos. Some of them hysterical. Obviously, we don't advocate, you know, slapping your wife around. That's a horrible start to the year. It's fireworks, man.

Starting point is 00:01:37 You're listening to the Host Unknown Podcast. Hello, hello, hello. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening from wherever you're joining us. And welcome to the merry new year episode 134. 138. That's gone up by one. Of the Host Unknown podcast. Welcome one and all. Welcome dear podcast. Welcome, one and all. Welcome, dear listeners.

Starting point is 00:02:08 We hope you are well. We hope you had a lovely, restful break and a lovely new year. Many of you will have been celebrating Christmas. Many of you will not. Many of you have just been enjoying the days off. So, yeah. Jav, what did you get for Christmas? Oh, nothing.

Starting point is 00:02:25 He doesn't celebrate Christmas, man. He doesn't celebrate Christmas, man. I don't celebrate Christmas, exactly. What? You don't celebrate having two days off in a row for free? No, nothing's for free. Nothing's for free. Although I was filled with hope and optimism when New Year struck. Well, actually, I was sleeping, and then I was rudely awoken by the fireworks at midnight because let's all be honest you had no scheduled destinations for that day you knew something was amiss no no you know the new year, what is it?

Starting point is 00:03:05 It's nothing more than a false promise off a false start and a chance to make things better. But, you know, the truth is I'm just still here with both you Muppets. So if you don't celebrate Christmas, I'm guessing you don't want your Christmas present from me. No, I respect your wishes and your culture. I don't want to be offensive towards you.

Starting point is 00:03:31 Oh, dear. But did you have a good... You had a good break, though? Not really. Well, yes, I did. Come! Bloody humbug! Throw us a bone here, man. We're trying to keep it... No, no. Why should I?

Starting point is 00:03:46 You know what? It's like I was off and the first day I was just lying there with my feet up and my wife comes up to me and goes like, you're off for a few days. I go, yes. Well, remember I mentioned to you that we wanted to repaint all the bedrooms and get new flooring in. No, I don't remember that. We agreed this.

Starting point is 00:04:02 We had this conversation. Oh, did we? Off you go to B&Q, buy some paint and start painting so um yeah it was a a lot of days of hard manual labor sounds like cooking the Christmas dinner right yeah something like that Andy I hope you had a slightly more pleasant one than that uh well it's certainly less uh depressing than that one i'll tell you that one i mean obviously you know i did far too much eating far too much uh enjoying myself gorging have you all the party food comes out have you reinflated to your original sizing

Starting point is 00:04:40 do you know i can tell you during december i put on 3.1 kilos what yeah all right so i mean i went i went big in december i sort of you know starting with the food markets by the office um like the dirty fries which they had the korean fried chicken loaded with like the whole like the full works i didn't worry about it i was just like enjoying myself that's what it's here for and then obviously cheese and biscuits every day and you know i've got like the biggest turkey um so i'll get them fresh every year from this place and you never know how big it's going to be they just guarantee it's going to be enough to feed like however many people you want what she said yeah it was just fantastic no i enjoyed it enjoyed it. Nice bit of time off.

Starting point is 00:05:25 Nice and quiet. And how about yourself? How was your Christmas? Yeah, very good. Very good. Lots of Lego, which is always a bonus. So Christmas with my mother and then New Year's with my mother and the kids. That was nice. It was Duchess of Ladywell's birthday on January 1st.

Starting point is 00:05:44 So we went out for a tea which is very good so yeah yeah it was really nice and then it was only a three-day week this week but blimey it's come back with a like a slap around the face isn't it and you say i'm depressing like a power slap. Wow. Well, happy birthday to the Duchess of Ladywell. Yeah, I do listen when you start talking about your semi-naked men wrestling. What's wrong with that?

Starting point is 00:06:20 Nothing more manly than seeing semi-naked men wrestling. No, this is true. I mean, I'm up for it. That sounds like a Tuesday night. Right. Shall we see what we've got coming up for you today? Well, this week in InfoSec takes us back to the

Starting point is 00:06:37 origins of the de facto digital currency. Rant of the Week discusses knee-jerk reactions to everyone's favourite AI chatbot. Billy Big Balls is either a feature for good or a tool to capture more data en masse, and I'm sure Jav will be defending the criminals in this case. Industry News brings the latest and greatest security news stories from around the world, and Tweet of the Week is a new executive position in the world of cyber.

Starting point is 00:07:04 of the week is a new executive position in the world of cyber. So let's get cracking, shall we, to our favourite part of the show, the part of the show that we like to call This Week in InfoSec. it is that part of the show where we take a stroll down infosec memory lane with content liberated from the today and infosec twitter account and further afield and this week we have gone further afield and our first story will take us back a mere 14 years to the 3rd of January 2009. The genesis of Bitcoin. Yes. Yeah, I know. So that pseudonymous Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto

Starting point is 00:07:56 mined the first 50 Bitcoins, now known as the genesis block, six days before the initial release of the Bitcoin software, which ultimately led to the launch of the cryptocurrency network. And obviously, since then, Bitcoin has become the de facto digital currency, obviously, originally popular for its decentralized approach. And this whole idea that no single entity can control, manipulate or deactivate the currency in transactions. And obviously, because people think it's highly private and still

Starting point is 00:08:27 remain secure. Which is not true, is it? Well, I think, you know, it's not entirely... It can be traced, can't it? Yeah, I think, yeah, there's more than just, you know, out of the box. This is safe out of the box. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And no single

Starting point is 00:08:43 entity can manipulate it other than when Elon Musk tweets about a particular coin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And no single entity can manipulate it other than when Elon Musk tweets about a particular coin. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I bought Dogecoin because of that Muppet. Serves you right. Well, I don't know. That's like Pop calling the kettle black

Starting point is 00:08:59 in that statement you just made there, wasn't it? You took financial advice uh from uh yeah this was a couple of years ago in my defense you know when he was still kind of like slightly tony starkish he'd only he'd only called people pedos once or twice at that point when he hadn't lived long enough to become the villain at that point yeah that's right that's right it was his origin story so back in 2009 and going into 2010 uh myself and a couple of guys at the company i was working at we probably had between us at the time maybe 150 odd bitcoins back then yeah so we were quite lucky

Starting point is 00:09:45 that we were doing this data center migration right and a few spare CPU cycles not just CPU we had the power as well right 24-7 power dedicated so we had this third data center that we obviously

Starting point is 00:10:01 probably took a bit longer than we should to shut down all these graphics cards were running you know that way yeah we absolutely need all the developers need these graphics cards um we just loaded them up we had all these miners in these racks in this data center in maidenhead and it was you know it was just mining for it but we lost them in uh one of those exchange hacks that occurred. What? Seriously? Yeah. And I did sort of suspect one of the other guys at first. I was like, no, man, that didn't happen.

Starting point is 00:10:34 But, you know, back then it was probably, you know, we were talking about hundreds of pounds rather than millions that would have been in these days. But, yeah, don't cry over spilt milk. I mean, there's no way I would have helped. Even if we did still have them, there's no way I would have helped way you'd have bought a pizza with them or something yeah exactly i wouldn't have held on to this for this long like you know once they'd been worth you know oh we can get 100 quid for this right yeah sell out in 2012 um yeah but yeah alas that was uh yeah good times but it's obviously still bitcoin still around it's obviously it's one of its uh lowest points for now um it may or may not come back uh i work with someone now

Starting point is 00:11:09 whose husband is actually um he works for one of these cryptocurrency trading firms um and it still sounds like a great gig you know it gets uh quarterly bonuses and you know highly paid and is there that much money to make it well this is it currency now i don't know how they're making money yeah like it's a gamble right it's falling out of that market but yeah it's still a obviously a big deal uh yeah this stuff's still going on my job i guess i guess they've got the over 60s now to rinse yeah there's still more yeah you've heard of cryptocurrency this is the latest one yeah buy into my solana coin which i've managed to buy a shitload of at their peak what about your your cummies did they have they they're not doing too well

Starting point is 00:11:57 no they haven't reached the moon just yet i mean once they can get into a format where it makes it easier to sell i'm gonna sell them like it's so i mean when i bought matter install some browser extension get on some other network and just like it's just such a hassle whereas some other network you mean the dark web uh no it wasn't even the dark web it was yeah it's basically i'm sure a proxy could have done it easier like it really is so convoluted. And this is why I think, you know, there's been low adoption with some of these things. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:12:31 But yeah, alas. So let's take us on to our second story, which let me see if I can work this one out. It takes us back a mere 23 years to the 1st of January 2000 when Y2K comes and goes. And also, I'm not talking about the wrestler Y2J. This is after years of hysteria regarding the Y2K bug, the world's computers begin using the date 2000 with no major catastrophes. And there's still debate whether the year 2000 problem was overblown

Starting point is 00:13:06 by the tech industry um or if the work that was done in the run-up um to y2k by the armies of software developers actually averted any disaster um i think it's a bit of both i think it's a bit of both because there was a lot of work done to make sure things were okay there was a lot of people that made a lot of money i don't know there's a lot of work done to make sure things were okay. There was a lot of people that made a lot of money. I don't know if there's a lot of work done. I wasn't one of them. No, me neither. I did all the work beforehand. But we did have a server that went down over Y2K

Starting point is 00:13:33 and would not come back up. But was it just some guy that was fed up with the server and just said, like, this is a perfect excuse? Do you know where? Well, no, because I was that guy, if you see what I mean. Oh, okay. But the fact was we left it down for the day and nobody said anything and then the next day nobody said anything and the next day nobody said anything so in the end it was like i think we'll be all right yeah and that happened a lot back then right just switch

Starting point is 00:13:58 that's a common thing right who owns this machine don't i switch it off see you complain yeah oh no one complains oh there we there we go. Yeah, so not needed. Yeah, so I was working at a credit reference agency coming up to year 2000, and they had... This is a US-headquartered one, and they paid, obviously, a shitload of consultants to come in. There's one guy that's really annoying.

Starting point is 00:14:23 Sitting in our office, he's always unplugged the fax machine to plug in his uh modem uh so he could dial out i know it's so frustrating when he did it and he's always like that's right the fax is all back up and they'll come through when i plug it back in um but he was a y2k consultant i know it is just a complete obviously you know year 2000 i was about four old, so I couldn't complain too much. But I remember just going into PC world as well and just literally going up to computers, setting the date to 1159, 2359, 1999,

Starting point is 00:14:57 just watching it hit midnight. So the computer still works. Everything's fine. Yeah. I just thought that's a really easy way to test. I still, to this day, don't know what they did to fix it. Nothing. Turned it off.

Starting point is 00:15:12 Exactly. Yeah. I remember we had a Lotus Note 7 because we had no development of test environments or anything like that. So as part of the test one weekend when we were testing it all, I just rolled it over to 2,000 and it was fine. It kept on running, rolled it back. And then there was this glitch for the next two months,

Starting point is 00:15:32 this date glitch that would not go away. And I was like, I bloody hope this goes away on January 1st, 2000. And it did, so it was fine. One of these problems has solved itself. Yeah, exactly. Leave it, it, you know. One of these problems has solved itself. Yeah, exactly. Leave it, it'll be fine. I mean, it wasn't catastrophic by any means, but, you know, dates weren't showing properly

Starting point is 00:15:52 and stuff like that. It got itself in a little bit of a tizz. And do you know what? Even a reboot didn't fix it. Oh, unbelievable. Yeah. Note, say. Was that your other ideas then?

Starting point is 00:16:02 Time to call these consultants? Time to escalate to fourth line or go back to the manufacturer I switched it off on everything

Starting point is 00:16:10 oh dear brilliant thank you for that mathematically challenging this week in

Starting point is 00:16:23 infosec this week in InfoSec. This week in InfoSec. This is the EasyJet of security podcasts. Let's be honest, your cheap ass couldn't tell the difference between us and a premium security podcast

Starting point is 00:16:40 anyway. That's a good one. That's good i like that one yeah i like that we might have to change our corporate colors to orange and white all about the branding it's all about the branding right shall we move on to the angry part of the show the part of the show we call... Listen up! Rant of the Week. It's time for Mother F***ing Rage! So this story, if nothing else, just says how quickly the world is moving because I first heard about ChatGPT when I was last on the Friends of the Show Smashing Security podcast, which was not that long ago.

Starting point is 00:17:28 It was only about four weeks ago or something like that. It's every other week for you, isn't it? If they can't get a guest, they just call up. They scrape the barrel. Let's be honest. They scrape the barrel. And when that barrel's empty, they come to me. To help for the opening of a packet of crisps, old Langford.

Starting point is 00:17:44 And an envelope um but um so yeah it was only a few weeks ago maybe six tops something like that that i first heard about chat gpt because friends of the show graham mentioned it as his um pick of the week and was playing about you know not pick a week sorry as part of his story and he was talking about how actually very good it is and he he was asking chat gpt if you know, not Picklewicks, sorry, it's part of his story. And he was talking about how actually very good it is. And he was asking ChatGPT if, you know, its opinions about human beings. And basically it said it was going to take over the world and destroy everybody and all that sort of stuff, which is great. which is the artificial intelligence conversational and writing text bot.

Starting point is 00:18:35 So you can give it some prompts and it will write something for you. So tell me about the Host Unknown podcast and it will talk about, it will give you a whole spiel as if it's written by a human, very florid writing in some cases and it's very um it's it's quite difficult to distinguish it's it's um it's it's very very good so i only hearing about it sort of six weeks ago and it's already been banned it's already been banned so it's been banned in new york city schools over learning impact concerns would you believe um because they're worried the um department of education in new york city have said they've got serious concerns about it's just hampering learning and leading to misinformation

Starting point is 00:19:20 is this particularly around geography lessons like i think americans are yeah yeah exactly so as they say a much better description of it maybe if i'd read ahead in the notes i could have described it as this chat gpt is a next-gen chatbot optimized for dialogue format user interactions uh it was released in open ai in november 2022 so yeah i was right that's right very soon the chatbot has been very disruptive for several disciplines disciplines including programming and essay writing and that's true so we you know we what uh graham was talking about is you can tell it to write code for you you can tell it to debug code for you you know it's it's early doors on it it's it's not perfect but it's only

Starting point is 00:20:05 going to get better obviously and it's going to be you know it's its ability to use natural language is fantastic but the fact that within weeks weeks of something like this coming out it's been banned immediately in schools now this this reminds me and we were talking about this just before earlier before we went on on air was this reminds me of uh you know when the internet came out because when i when i was at university um we we did well we had it was pretty much what was left of the arpanet at the time but um there was not a lot of content on there. That all came later. You were still passing notes around on paper. Yeah, not far off, not far off. It was all terminal-based, let's face it.

Starting point is 00:20:50 And so the ability to use the internet to write essays for you was very, very limited, but it didn't take long for that to change. And so what happened was universities were finding that uh there was a huge amount of of cheating when it came to essays and people were just copying and pasting from the internet and it took them a little while to catch up but now there's loads of tools available that show if somebody is you know cutting and pasting and you know their text and it will check sources automatically and all that sort of thing it didn't take them to to ban it and then just turn turn their back on it and ignore it to address it they sort of use the same tools to um you know to to work to make sure it was used properly

Starting point is 00:21:40 so similar with this it's like okay so students are using chat gpt to write their essays for them what do you think the teachers are doing when it comes to marking essays i'm sure that they're popping these essays through um this this chat bot and saying check for grammar and spelling mistakes and then boom they're done you know so it just this this standard knee-jerk reaction to tech you know oh technology bad you know why i don't have time to move to round wheel this square wheel will do for now type thing so yeah it's it's bizarre that within weeks quite literally weeks um you know six weeks or so that an education department has immediately uh banned it rather than actually doing a study into investigating how it might work how it might benefit the school system how it might benefit teachers how it could be used you know more

Starting point is 00:22:39 sensibly which i think is is probably a you know not a bad thing, right? So, yeah, very, very disappointing in this kind of... Come on. You're talking about America, the land that gave you prohibition because they know how banning stuff actually makes a big difference, doesn't it? Well, we're talking about any country that bans anything, right? Yeah. Well, you know, it just...

Starting point is 00:23:02 Bring back opium dens, I say. This reminds me of like being in school and like they they used to do a lot of i don't know whether they still do it in schools but you know mental times tables you have to know up to your 12 times table and everything yeah don't do that anymore what's 12 times nine is like i don't and then mr morgan who's our head teacher who also used to do like our maths sort of group as well. It's 108, by the way. Yeah, oh, thank you.

Starting point is 00:23:29 And he'd be like, Javad, you're not always going to have a calculator to your hand. You must know this, like stuff. And now I wish I could go back and say, see this phone in my hand. I do always have a calculator in my fucking hand, you bigoted prick. Why was he bigoted i don't know i just like it just uh my dad actually referred to him as a bigot once in a in a parent teacher meeting i'm guessing your grades didn't improve immediately after that. Wow. So, no, I think you're right, Tom.

Starting point is 00:24:12 I shouldn't say that. We start in the new year like that. No, no. New year's resolution. Agree with Tom more. No, it's just like you say. There's new technologies out there find ways for embracing it and using them for the best benefit if you just try and sweep it under the rug and pretend

Starting point is 00:24:31 like it doesn't exist yeah running scared from it yeah yeah um and you know you you probably remember the day i mean i remember the days when like um we we didn't have like internet access from the desktop and only in the in the office then, like, you had to submit a special request to get that approved or external emails. And now it's just, yeah, sure, we've got Google on our desktop. You still need to know what to ask it. Yeah. Like, you know, but, you know, how do you write a security policy or can you review this third-party assessment document for me? But, you know, you need to still know what to ask.

Starting point is 00:25:10 And that's what we need to get people better. Why are we wasting our time trying to get kids to learn pointless stuff when the technology has moved on? Yeah. So there's two things on this one which are interesting. So one, obviously Microsoft is reportedly planning to integrate chat GPT into Bing in order to make it a more powerful search engine than Google. Is that a countdown to making Bing a Nazi or something like that? Well, potentially.

Starting point is 00:25:36 You know, get their history in this. But secondly, there was someone who, I've got to send you a link before, someone spent New Year's building GPT-0, which is an app that can efficiently detect whether an essay is chat GPT or human written. Boom, there you go. Six weeks, chat GPT is launched. Four weeks, someone's built something to see if chat GPT is in use.

Starting point is 00:26:04 Yeah. So I think, yeah, this is like what you're gonna do you're gonna bang b ban beam um sorry yeah but a beam hey gotcha wise guy yeah yeah so i mean you can't ban search engines or what's the point you're just gonna start taking the internet away from people yeah yeah i know utterly bizarre utterly bizarre i don't know right well we're all in agreement on that one i'm glad to hear so uh that was this week's rant of the week you're listening to the award-winning host unknown podcast like a real security podcast but lighter so true so true right let's move to the next part of the show now now that we've got jav

Starting point is 00:26:58 woken up and wound up let's get him off onto this week's yes um haven't done a section for a while and now all of a sudden i felt like oh i'm on stage the spotlight's on me i'm a bit nervous anyway uh this week's uh bill Big Balls comes courtesy of WhatsApp. And the head of WhatsApp in Meta, Will Cathcart, tweeted out, Happy New Year. While many of us celebrated by texting our loved ones on WhatsApp, we kind of forwarded the same message to everyone. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. There are millions of people in Iran and elsewhere who continue to be denied the right to communicate freely and privately.

Starting point is 00:27:54 So today we are making it easier for anyone to connect to WhatsApp using a proxy. So that is the, I suppose a billy big balls move when a private company is ready to take on entire nations and their their internet censorship um sort of regime um so yeah you can now allow whatsapp well whatsapp is now allowing users to connect via proxy servers. So, you know, if you're in a country where they block WhatsApp, you know, you can use it. Apparently, your messages will still be kept safe and secure with end-to-end encryption. So no one, not even the proxy server, Meta or WhatsApp can access their contents and hopefully not even law enforcement or the government. Actually, you know what? I think this is what I'm thinking.

Starting point is 00:28:52 I think it's a Billy Big Balls move. But as an Iranian citizen, do you want to be caught running a proxy or WhatsApp on a proxy? The consequences could be worse, I think, than if you're just plainly talking using their official apps but anyway um you know you can do that you can they've got some guides out there how you can set it up for others you know for your friends and family and and what have you uh the the default disappearing messages are there um And all of these improvements came after WhatsApp had to backtrack on their earlier decisions to restrict some features or delete user accounts.

Starting point is 00:29:34 So apparently they now have over 2 billion people from over 180 countries using the platform. using the platform. So, you know, I think it's a good move, I suppose, on one part, but also I think it's, I'll take that back. It's not a very good move. It sounds good. It gives you good PR, but if you're living in one of these countries and you're caught using one of these things, you're probably not going to be looked on favorably. Secondly, now let's play a little thought experiment here with Tom. What if we say let's ban TikTok here or let's restrict its usage and then China comes out and says, for all you budding, you know,

Starting point is 00:30:28 TikTokers out there, we've introduced this proxy that allows you to bypass your government's restrictions. How would you feel about that? Tom's probably gone to go get a package. He's fallen off his chair. You know what? I was worried there. No, I was on mute, actually.

Starting point is 00:30:50 I was worried there for a minute that once again you were going to be supporting the bad people in this story. Because Jav coming out in favour of Facebook and Meta, it's like, oh, man, not a good thing. But I'm glad I agree with you, Jav, and I'm not ashamed to admit it, unlike you. Wow. Despite the email that you just sent to my mother

Starting point is 00:31:11 a little while ago, saying that you were going to be deliberately arguing with me on the podcast. Wow. Do you actually get a copy of all the emails that your mother gets? He set it up. Of course he does.

Starting point is 00:31:26 No, she just forwarded it to me. Listeners, if you're wondering what was going on there, just before Jav said, oh, I meant to email the Duchess of Ladewell a happy new year. And then he only went and did it. And then my mum's replied and then copied me in on a response. Oh, can I read out the response? It's so nice.

Starting point is 00:31:46 It is, actually. Yeah, go on, then. You read it. Say I'm better coming from you. So I sent, like, dear Mrs. Langford, happy new year. May you have a wonderful year, blah, blah, blah. May it be filled with happiness despite the disappointment of a son you have. And, you know, but at least his heart's in the right place and she's replied saying

Starting point is 00:32:07 uh javad thank you for your new year sentiment sorry to tell you that tom is not the disappointment you think you think he fulfills my belief that there that there is no point in breeding them if they are not useful. Tom has proved himself more than useful for many years. You missed a word there. Well, Tom has proved himself more than useful. More than just useful. More than just useful.

Starting point is 00:32:45 You know, I'm sure your mother's used chat GPT to reply. Not least on my birthday, when I not only received an Apple MacBook Air laptop, but was taken with the grandkids for afternoon tea in a London hotel. Perhaps you should... Next sentence. ...celebrate... Perhaps you should celebrate knowing and learning from Tom. The shade is strong with this one.

Starting point is 00:33:17 I was going to say, yeah, attack it. What did you get your mum for Christmas? Oh, man. What did you get your mum for Christmas? Sorry, it's breaking up. Okay, let's move on to the next segment run the jingle tom billy big balls of the week when listeners leave the host unknown podcast in favor of another security podcast

Starting point is 00:33:42 they raise the average IQ of both audiences. You're in good company with the award-winning Host Unknown podcast. Joe, I can't work out if that celebrates our listeners or throws some serious shade on our listeners or celebrates us. Do you know what? The logic on that one is lost on me.

Starting point is 00:34:06 I'll tell you what. When you go across to smash insecurity, we realise what that's trying to say. Yes. Oh, dear. Right. No time for any funny wordplay. It's that time.

Starting point is 00:34:24 And what time is it, Andy? It is that time of the show where we head over to our news sources over at the InfoSick PA Newswire, who have been very sluggish in bringing us the latest and greatest security news from around the globe. It's true. We struggled. Industry news.

Starting point is 00:34:48 LockBit hands ransomware decryptor to kids hotel... Hotel. Let's start that again. LockBit hands ransomware decryptor to kids hospital. Industry News. NHS is most scammed UK government brand. Industry News. General Electric Insider handed two years for IP theft. Industry news. Rail tech giant Wabtech discloses global data breach.

Starting point is 00:35:14 Industry news. Meta to appeal €390 million GDPR fine. Industry news. Cops catch serial child abuser after tech breakthrough. Industry news. Over 200 million Twitter users' details leaked on hacker forum. Industry news. Five Guys discloses data breach affecting employee PII.

Starting point is 00:35:42 Industry news. Hackers leverage compromised Fortinet devices to distribute ransomware. Industry news. And that was this week's... Industry news. Wow. Huge if true. Huge if true.

Starting point is 00:36:01 Huge if true. So who are the five guys? Damn. Come on. I knew there was gonna be that uh yeah i know lowest common denominator too obvious um so this uh xge engineer who got two years in prison um he stole turbine technology for china um and so this is like he started working at ge like you know a long time back uh from 2008 to 2018 so it's also like 10 years um and whilst he was there he started like copying some documents and then encrypting them and storing them on his like in a special folder uh on his machine but he used like ax crypt which is like a you know encryption program which g doesn't actually provide its

Starting point is 00:36:52 employees so they noticed he was encrypting these files and so they started monitoring what he was doing with it um this is like about like a nine month period um and he basically encrypted sort of 40 odd files and then um used steganography to smuggle the trade secrets out so he actually set like a sunset photo so you know if you ever read like old school infosec manuals and they talk about steganography uh you know where you where you embed data in other data and it's just something that's rarely used or certainly to my knowledge isn isn't, you know, widely used, but this guy actually used it to exfiltrate data, uh, from GE's network. Um, you know, to his Hotmail address,

Starting point is 00:37:35 he was sort of sending photographs of sunsets. Um, Yeah. Cause that's not suspicious at all, isn't it? Sending. Absolutely not. No. I mean, sending random images to 42 meg photos of sunsets. Yeah. Nothing wrong with that whatsoever. No, I mean, you know, sort of 42 meg photos of sunsets. Yeah. So nothing wrong with that whatsoever. But, yeah, that's how they caught him. Like the network guys actually realised there's something suspect going on,

Starting point is 00:37:55 continued to monitor him. And, yeah, that steganography was not as good as he thought it was. Wow. Wow. Mind you, the criminal mind is never as smart as i think it is no but he obviously he he sold it to china uh well i say sold it gave it to his um chinese handler yeah what win-win yes jesus see um no it's funny you talk about these old old school techniques and

Starting point is 00:38:29 what have you and the other day my missus was on the train and like she she she's reading the metro or something and in that there's a section about like saw you on the train it's just like where people write in and say oh it was new year's eve and i saw you on the train like misconnections yeah misconnections that kind of thing yeah she was like oh it's so cute and i said and and obviously after watching spy movies and what have you growing up i said oh you know those aren't actual ads they are actually secret messages that different spies send to each other about what she says oh you've ruined it all for kids. No surprise that Meta were appealing a GDPR fine that was basically saying their entire advertising strategy is illegal.

Starting point is 00:39:20 Yeah. So the best thing is 390 million euros in um freedom units is 414 million us dollars and that is oh 413 million us dollars uh obviously the exchange rate changed a little bit but this just covers facebook and instagram and there is still a case out about whether whatsapp misused data or not so this could actually go up a bit more well a couple of years ago that would have been half a day's revenue to you know now now that revenues are much much lower it's probably i don't know three days revenue yeah but you know what the danger is this is just ireland so if they have violated g... Oh, then everybody will just take that as a test case.

Starting point is 00:40:05 Yeah. Oh. Yeah, this could be bad. This could be the end of Zuckerberg. But WhatsApp might now offer you proxies. They can't be that bad. I keep telling you, we've got to move off WhatsApp. Well, we tried it for a while, but it just does not support meme distribution.

Starting point is 00:40:26 We did try it. And Andy, you said no. I mean, you were like... We still have it as the backup server, you know, so when WhatsApp does go down every now and then... Well, we need to do a DR test in that case and then fail over permanently. Wow. We'll see. You know, this story i was looking at just now there's like

Starting point is 00:40:48 the cops catch serial child abuser after tech breakthrough yeah yeah and uh i was just looking at what the tech breakthrough was and apparently the the person had uh posted his pictures but he distorted his face in the images yeah and the ncaa use innovative new technology to unscramble the image distortion that's i was talking this happened years ago well i don't know about years ago but i was talking to somebody just recently about how you how the ai stuff you can take an entirely pixelated face and it will reproduce it with some you know a huge amount of accuracy exactly i mean like you've all seen the zoom enhance yeah it's coming it's becoming real yeah finally so so i i mean i was a bit disappointed in like that was the breakthrough technology because

Starting point is 00:41:40 yeah i thought it kind of already existed only in hollywood because, yeah, I thought it kind of already existed. Only in Hollywood. Just looking at that Five Guys disclosing data breach. Aren't the Five Guys burgers and shakes the best in the world? I wouldn't actually know. So I've never consumed Five Guys. and shakes the best in the world? I wouldn't actually know. So I've never consumed Five Guys. Yeah, me neither.

Starting point is 00:42:09 So being allergic to peanuts. Apart from that one time in the 90s when you were experimenting, right? Yeah, exactly. And that, you know, yeah. But, yeah, no, they cook everything in peanut oil, which I am allergic to. Oh, really? Yeah. So I've never had the urge to go there.

Starting point is 00:42:26 I didn't know they cooked it in peanut oil. I know you're allergic to peanut. Yeah. But I'm just saying that the founder and CTO of Bug Crowd says that the breach was likely via the Five Guys recruiting system where candidates upload their resumes. Ooh. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:43 Hmm. That's not good no obviously externally facing system upload it not scanning stuff so i'm gonna go off off uh off script just for a second i've just added a link to another story okay in in the thing and this is like on it's from the bbc and there's a school hit schools hit by cyber attack and documents leaked and uh this uh so there's uh 14 schools have confirmed that you know leaked online data but what's really funny in there is that there's a quote from one person say the ico did not tell us to notify the data subjects. But then the best thing is, this needs to go in every future press release statement. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:32 Our data was taken by the criminal organization and placed on its dark website, which is not easily accessible and only available to a limited audience with the technical knowledge and ability to access this specific site. You mean... We're basically saying we don't know how to access it,

Starting point is 00:43:52 so it must be almost impossible for anyone else to get to it, surely? Holy moly. Yeah, schools are seriously under-resourced. I was going to say exactly that. That's a statement born of unintended ignorance on the subject, right? Yeah. You know, the local council for those schools

Starting point is 00:44:14 should be providing much better support. Yeah. I mean, do you remember when GDPR, you know, sort of first came out, everyone had to be compliant with and all this stuff. I remember my sister works at the school and she's asked me all these questions. I'm like, why are you

Starting point is 00:44:31 in HR? Why are you dealing with this stuff? I was like, speak to your compliance team. She's like, this is my responsibility. I am the compliance team. Yeah, I'm like, you are woefully underqualified to be dealing with this stuff. Trust me.

Starting point is 00:44:47 These are the basics. This is what you need to do. But in terms of policies and processes and getting that message out there and educating people, massively under-resourced. And I think this type of statement, almost embarrassing. It is. It is, but unsurprising and quite saddening actually yeah and on that very very positive note

Starting point is 00:45:11 industry news this is the award-winning host unknown podcast guaranteed to be a solid five out of ten at least once a month or twice your money back. And you can take that to the bank. You don't get guarantees like that just anywhere. No, no. I'm waiting for Jav to say his standard thing after that one. How do you like them apples?

Starting point is 00:45:45 There we go. There we go. Right. Andy, let's take it home with... Tweet of the Week. And we always play that one twice. Tweet of the Week. And our final tweet of this week comes from Ian Brown.

Starting point is 00:46:04 He's basically quote tweeted much uh so everyone knows uh dot much obviously the uh former twitter security chief uh former white house consultant extraordinary security uh legend ex loft heavy industries and all of that so you know he he obviously got a lot of headlines recently for leaving Twitter saying the place is a complete state. They don't take security seriously. And this is before Elon Musk came in to really kick them when they're down. So Mudge posted a quote saying,

Starting point is 00:46:36 Thanks, everyone. I'm excited to be reporting to the CEO at Rapid7 as an executive in residence. And then he goes on to say, for clarification, this is not a full-time and is not exclusive. This does not change existing relations I have with other organisations.

Starting point is 00:46:54 And so, obviously, Ian Brown has quote-treated this, and he says, an executive position with no actual responsibilities is perfect for this guy. Oh, Zing! Wow. Responsibilities is perfect for this guy Oh zing Wow

Starting point is 00:47:07 I have so many questions I know I need that Executive in residence What is that? Does he live in the office? This is what a security advocate can Aspire to

Starting point is 00:47:23 This is the next level Does it mean he's got a camp bed in his office there? This is what a security advocate can aspire to. This is the next level. It is. But does it mean he's got like a camp bed in his office there? I don't get it. And also he's then saying, oh, but by the way, I'm still going to be available for everyone else. Who's willing to pay me? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:42 I mean, what a job. Yeah. So it's not a full-time job not exclusive like what are his responsibilities other than sticking his name on a quote or them having him on the website and saying that like you know oh you mean like a security advocate yeah yeah you know what this is i want this on my tombstone guys guys, okay? An executive position with no actual responsibility. He lived his life in an executive position with no actual responsibilities. Put that on my gravestone.

Starting point is 00:48:12 It sounds like that fellow from How I Met Your Mother. Oh, which one? Barney's, didn't he? Yeah. Because his job was basically to take the blame for anything. Oh, please. Yeah. What's your anything. Oh, please. Yeah, what's your job? Please.

Starting point is 00:48:29 Oh, brilliant. What a job. That is quality. Very good. Tweet of the week. Well, we come screaming to the end of this first episode of the year. Thank you very much, gents. That was fun. that was fun that

Starting point is 00:48:46 was fun it's nice to get back into the chair the chair again it feels like with a little bit more energy than the end of last year yeah we'll soon drain that out of you give it a week or two very good jav thank you so much yeah you welcome. You know I bring the milkshake to... No, I... Yes, it was good. Thank you. And Andy, thank you. Stay secure, my friend.

Starting point is 00:49:17 Stay secure. You've been listening to The Host Unknown Podcast. If you enjoyed what you heard comment and subscribe if you hated it please leave your best insults on our reddit channel worst episode ever r slash smashing security i hope you're gonna take uh what my mother said to heart, Jav. Jeez. The apple has not fallen far from the tree. The Apple MacBook Air has not fallen far from the tree. I think is what you mean.

Starting point is 00:49:53 Yes, yes. Even though you gifted her the MacBook Air, but she still sent the email from her iPad. Yes, she has

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