The Host Unknown Podcast - Episode 181 - The Early early Show

Episode Date: January 26, 2024

This week in InfoSec  (04:51)With content liberated from the “today in infosec” twitter account and further afield25th January 2003: The SQL Slammer worm was first observed. It relied on a vulnerability Microsoft reported a whopping 6 months earlier via security bulletin MS02-039. Despite the long-available patch,  75,000 systems were compromised within 10 minutes..https://twitter.com/todayininfosec/status/175052975790379043121st January 1992: Former General Dynamics employee Michael John Lauffenburger was sentenced. He had created a logic bomb, which was programmed to go off on May 24, 1991. Unfortunately for him, an employee accidentally discovered it, dismantled it, and contacted authorities.https://twitter.com/todayininfosec/status/1749184231752802757      Rant of the Week (11:10)Third-party ink cartridges brick HP printers after ‘anti-virus’ updateHP is pushing over-the-air firmware updates to its printers, bricking them if they are using third-party ink cartridges. But don’t worry, it’s not a money-grab, says the company – it’s just trying to protect you from the well-known risk of viruses embedded in ink cartridges …HP has long been known for sketchy practices in its attempt to turn ink purchases into a subscription service. If you cancel a subscription, for example, the company will immediately stop the printer using the ink you’ve already paid for.CEO Enrique Lores somehow managed to keep a straight face while explaining to CNBC that the company was only trying to protect users from viruses which might be embedded into aftermarket ink cartridges.It can create issues [where] the printers stop working because the inks have not been designed to be used in our printers, to then create security issues. We have seen that you can embed viruses in the cartridges, and through the cartridge, go to the printer; from the printer, go to the network.ArsTechnica asked several security experts whether this could happen, and they said this is so out-there, it would have to be a nation-state attack on a specific individual. Billy Big Balls of the Week (19:04)British man Aditya Verma appears in Spanish court over plane-bomb hoaxA British man accused of public disorder after joking about blowing up a flight has gone on trial in Spain.Aditya Verma made the comment on Snapchat on his way to the island of Menorca with friends in July 2022.The message, sent before Mr Verma departed Gatwick airport, read: "On my way to blow up the plane (I'm a member of the Taliban)."Mr Verma told a Madrid court on Monday: "The intention was never to cause public distress or cause public harm."If found guilty, the university student faces a hefty bill for expenses after two Spanish Air Force jets were scrambled.Mr Verma's message was picked up by the UK security services who flagged it to Spanish authorities while the easyJet plane was still in the air.A court in Madrid heard it was assumed the message triggered alarm bells after being picked up via Gatwick's Wi-Fi network. Industry News (27:39)Thai Court Blocks 9near.org to Avoid Exposure of 55M CitizensMega-Breach Database Exposes 26 Billion RecordsFrench Watchdog Slams Amazon with €32m Fine for Spying on WorkersAI Set to Supercharge Ransomware Threat, Says NCSCX Makes Passkeys Available for US-Based UsersChatGPT Cybercrime Surge Revealed in 3000 Dark Web PostsHPE Says SolarWinds Hackers Accessed its EmailsSouthern Water Confirms Data Breach Following Black Basta ClaimsChina-Aligned APT Group Blackwood Unleashes NSPX30 Implant Tweet of the Week (33:12)https://x.com/TheHornetsFury/status/1750612652873928949?s=20 Come on! Like and bloody well subscribe!

It's dying late. Let's go! It's half seven. I need to... Yeah, you have got an early call and we're doing an early recording as well. Much earlier. Much earlier than last time. We're going to make up for it.

Okay, let's go. Let's go. Now. You're listening to the Host Unknown Podcast. Hello, hello, hello, good morning, good afternoon, good evening from wherever you are joining us and welcome, welcome one and all to the Host Unknown Podcast, episode 181. 185! Hey! We are in a bit of a rush this morning. Andy's already looking a little bit pensive. He's got his full three piece suit on. He's ready to do his his his interview with the local judicial judiciary. So, yeah, we're going to have to get cracking. But, you know, just just very quickly, Jeff, how are you doing?

I'm doing good. I'm doing good. like the advice you gave us uh before we hit record speak in double the volume and then you'll tell people to play it back in 0.5 speed and it will sound like a normal podcast yes yes that's right so uh uh so we have to talk a little bit like this and we move really fast is that all right i think i think we're getting there, right? That works for me. Although, I will say, Tom, I did think that last week I was going to be saying episode 186, even though you hadn't published. There's a bit of delay between recording and publishing last week, wasn't there? Yeah, there was. There was, wasn't there? And what can I say? It was a busy, busy week last week.

And then I was out all day Saturday. And then Sunday, I just thought, it's too much. I can't face it. Couldn't be arsed to press that publish button. I just stayed in bed. And then Monday morning, I felt a bit guilty, so I thought I should probably do it. So we got there in the end.

We got there in the end. And it hasn't affected um you know our viewership or our listenership too much you know so no graham still downloaded it yeah graham still downloaded it and let's face it he's the only one who matters because he's the only one we have to rely on out of the between the two of us isn't that right andy absolutely so how's your week been how's your week anyway oh Andy? How's your week, anyway? Oh. I was just going to ask you how yours was.

Mine was, it was just a busy week. I've been in London all week, four days in London. I've not done that for a long time. What? Damn, mate. Even I went up to London last night. I had dinner with some old publicist friends. It was lovely to catch up, actually.

It was really nice. It is good when we all go into the same place and avoid each other. some old uh publicist friends it was lovely to catch up actually it was really nice it was very nice when we all go into the the same place and avoid each other that is well we i even went to the same masala zone that we went to because jav said he wanted some halal food some halal meat and then ordered the vegetarian do you remember yeah because yeah because he didn't trust them yeah yeah yeah that's right that's right it went out of our way to find that place. Trust but verified. There was no, like, certificates on the wall.

They were selling alcohol in there. It was like, you know, pretty shameful. It was halalcohol. Halalcohol. Yeah, halalcohol. But yeah, I saw Friends of the Show Lee Munson, Friends of the Show William Lau. And this afternoon actually

and other people you've you used to employ yeah that's right people used people used to to work for me yeah the help

you need the help well I need all the help I can get but and this afternoon I'm going to be seeing friends of the show Tor McLeod

of all people so that'll be nice Tor McLeod, of all people. So that'll be nice. Tor McLeod? Yes, of the clan McLeod. Yes, the guy that even sleeps in, he's got like a three-piece suit pyjama. Yeah, I think so. Because I've never seen him casual.

Never seen him casual, exactly. Talking about never being casual, shall we see what we've got coming up for you this week? This week in InfoSec talks to us about worms and also logic bombs, which sounds like we've got the wrong person on the show to talk about that. Rant of the Week tells us that our printers... To be fair, I always thought Graham would be here.

Well, this is true. We work on the assumption, right? Rant of the Week tells us that our printers now need antivirus. Billy Big Balls is what happens when you say the quiet parts out loud. Instry News is the latest and greatest news stories from around the world. And Tweets of the Week explains why we really enjoy doing the work that we do. So let's move on, shall we we to our favorite part of the show the part of the show that we like to call this week in infosec it is that part of the show we take a trip down infosec memory lane with content liberated from

the today and infosec twitter account and further afield and our first story takes us back a mere 21 years to the 25th of january 2003 seems like just yesterday when the sequel slammer worm was first observed uh it relied on a vulnerability microsoft reported a whopping six months earlier via a security bulletin um but despite the long available patch 75 000 systems were compromised in less than 10 minutes so at the time... But, you know, 20-odd years ago, a six-month cycle was pretty good. Yeah, but, I mean,

considering people were sticking their SQL servers internet-facing with port 1433 open and 1434... It was, you know, swings and roundabouts, right? Well, how else are people going to get to it from the internet? If you're not going to block the port, then patch your systems. You can't do both. But at the time, Slammer was the fastest computer worm in history. Wow.

As it began spreading through the internet, it actually doubled in size every 8.5 seconds. Wow. Infecting more than 90% of its vulnerable hosts in less than 10 minutes a an exponential growth an exponential growth yeah so it did exploit the buffer overflow vulnerability um on computers running microsoft sql server or msde 2000 to the desktop engine um and the it was actually the vulnerability was first discovered in July of 2002. Microsoft secretly released a patch

before the vulnerability was announced. And it actually caused massive network outages. Once this worm infected at least 75,000 hosts that were obviously monitored, probably considerably more caused network outages, unforeseen consequences such as cancelled airline flights, interference with elections and ATM failures. And Slammer did actually spread nearly two orders of magnitude

faster than Code Red, even though it infected fewer machines, as both worms used the same strategy of scanning to find vulnerable machines and then obviously transfer their payload but they differed in their scanning constraints, so here's a bit of knowledge that I'd expect Graham to drop for us Code Red was latency limited and

Slammer was bandwidth limited so it could actually scan as fast as the compromised computer could transmit packets or the network could deliver them i'm gonna make a noise now that makes it sound like i understand that ah interesting i concur i concur do you concur i concur Our second story takes us back a mere 32 years to the year of my birth, the 21st of January, 1992. You had a tough paper round. Yeah.

Where former General Dynamics employee Michael John Laufenberger was sentenced. So he created a logic bomb which was programmed to go off on May 24th 1991 and unfortunately for him another employee accidentally discovered it, dismantled it and contacted the authorities. Did he cut the green wire or the red wire? Well exactly right, always better. There's no green wire. no that's what cyclists say yeah oh no there's no red wire that's right no so uh yeah this former computer programmer michael john laufenberg eventually pleaded guilty um to attempted computer tampering uh for planting this destructive logic bomb in the company's mainframe um so his whole plan was to boost his salary.

So he created this problem that he thought only he could solve. Developed a program called Cleanup to destroy this database of Atlas rocket components, apparently. Set the program to activate on Memorial Day weekend, hoping to be rehired as a highly paid consultant after resigning. But yeah, unfortunately, someone else just stumbled across it what's this show yeah that's right what's this button do yeah yeah but it's i mean it's a bold strategy but uh it didn't work out this time yeah how does a colleague just stumble across a logic bomb i mean like were they

just like going through people's directories yeah but you know like when you hire consultants and like especially back then it's like why do we need a consultant everyone else here can do the job you're just paying someone external to do exactly what we've been telling you we need to do right and so they get these people that come in. Obviously, the partner does the big sales pitch and the interns get sent in to do the work. Yeah. And so, you know, there's probably some proper, you know,

mainframe, you know what mainframe engineers are like as well. They're proper anal about their environments. Big beards, pencil, you know, pen protectors in their pockets, sandals. Yeah, yeah. Sandals. Yeah, exactly. So it's like, let me go and see what this clown's

been working on. He just saw straight through it. It's like, oh my days. Yeah, clean up. What's that? That's not a standard application. Anyway, excellent. That was this week's InfoSwerve. People who favour the Smashing Security podcast

are statistically more likely to eject USB devices safely. For those who live life dangerously, you're in good company with the award-winning Post Unknown podcast. Yes, indeed. Right, let's move on. I think it's going to be one of my favorite subjects this one it's time for this week's listen up rent of the week it's time to mother rage now if there's a company that actually uh rivals facebook in fuckery i I think it's probably HP. And we all know printers generally have been created

by the devil in the first place, right? Printers will only ever work when you don't need them to and will never work when you absolutely need them to. Printer ink is also a massive scam as well. It costs more than gold by weight, I believe, and it'd probably be cheaper to fill your ink cast years with unicorn tears, is what I've heard. And you'd get very colourful prints prints from unicorn tears let's be clear

but um one of the things we know about is and we've complained about is the sort of you know hp pioneering this instant ink thing and where they they put drm you know digital rights management over the um cartridges that you put in there so So if you sign up for the ink supply thing and then you stop your subscription, your cartridge stops working. They actually have this two-way communication with your printer where they can disable your cartridges and all that sort of stuff. Really, even though you've paid for that ink

um they stop it from working simple as so very very um you know lots of skull duggery fuckery going on there without a shadow of a doubt um they uh uh they they they don't like uh the use of third-party ink cartridges even though they are yes they're a varying quality but there are very very good brands out there doing exactly the same thing for half the price um and they do do their best to stop those from working now the ceo CEO has, well, outdone himself, I think. He's really gone out on a limb here. And he's made a rather interesting claim. He, whilst explaining to CNBC that the company was only trying to protect users from viruses,

which might be embedded into the aftermarket ink cartridges and he did so with a straight face he said and i quote it can create issues where the printers stop working because the inks have not been designed to be used in our printers. To then create security issues, we have seen that you can embed viruses in the cartridges, and through the cartridge, go to the printer, from the printer, go to the network. Now, I don't keep up on the printer hacking, you know, scene, I don't keep up on the printer hacking, you know, scene,

but I'm pretty sure even I would have heard about a situation where a virus embedded into an ink cartridge made its way onto a computer network and did some serious damage. You know, maybe our listeners, who never send us emails anyway, but maybe they can jump in on this and say, oh, no, you're totally wrong, he's absolutely right. Pretty sure you won't. Pretty sure you won't. Is this even a thing? Or is Enrique Lores not only smoking pot,

but snorting Coke and, I don't know, pushing Quaaludes up his bum? What is he on here i think we did warn that you know the stretch that he's made is at serious risk of uh pulling a hamstring my god yes absolutely this is it's it's ridiculouss Technica got involved, and they asked several security experts whether it could happen, and they said that this is so out there, it would have to be a nation-state attack on a specific individual,

and even then, even if they wanted to or could, right? I mean, it's... I guess if you can spin down centrifuges in and off off the internet um bloody uh processing facility there's you can do a lot of stuff right you know but really it's this subscription culture that we've got it's so frustrating it is it's all about that on recurring revenue well like no more can you just buy something that you actually value it so they want you to be hooked in and just continuously drip feed you and you know what i don't think people would be so bothered if their

stuff was actually affordable do you know there's a reason there's a third third party aftermarket yeah support that is significantly cheaper that can do the exact same thing what's that tv parties make it cheaper yeah you're paying for the box that the printer came in because the printer you can buy the printer for 30 quid and the cartridges are 40 quid yeah right which is absurd utterly absurd and the only way you can use you know like the eco tanks and stuff like that where you can fill up you don't need the cartridge itself are on shockingly expensive um printers not at the sort of the level where they you know the sort of consumer level you know and we're talking about printers that the the average consumer uses doris wants to print out her missing cat posters yeah and she can't have a missing cat but she wants to print

them out yeah yeah just it's like you know whatever she's she's not on next door yet but it's a hobby it's uh it's yeah but it's just so ridiculous it's like it's like you buy and these like you said these aren't state-of-the-art printers they're like 30 40 quid for the box yeah it's like buying a bick pen and they charge you for the ink in in that it's a ballpoint you don't need it you know you just buy a new one yeah it's it's absolutely ridiculous um so i find myself first, you know, agreeing with you, Tom. It's outrageous. Enrique needs to go writing some sci-fi.

Yeah, it is. It's not good. I mean, subscription services as a whole, I'm not hugely against. I think some companies take them way too far but i can see yeah i'm yeah i'm not i'm not a fan of adobe i must admit their cancellation policy alone is just outrageous um and and very often you can't even cancel your product without paying a vast amount of money even though you've been paying religiously for the last four years. It's not that I've got personal experience on that.

But yeah, it's just shocking. And HP and specifically Enrique Lores should be utterly, utterly ashamed of themselves. And well, and that's all i've got to say on that rant of the week we are officially the most entertaining content amongst our peers okay let's move on, now to this week's... Billy Big Balls is from British man Aditya Verma, who, in case you haven't guessed from the name, is a person who is more brown than white. So a bit like me.

And the one thing that brown people have learned since 2001 is you do not joke around in airports. You do not make jokes with the security. You do not carry liquids. You do not try to set fire to your shoelaces. There's a long list of things. You just know how to be a with his friends in july of 2022 and he sent a he uses snapchat being a young lad uh he uses snapchat and he sent a um a message to his friends on the group chat in snapchat So this wasn't a public message. And so he was at Gatwick Airport, presumably connected to the Gatwick Airport Wi-Fi.

And in this group message, he said to his friends on my way to blow up the plane in brackets, I'm a member of the Taliban. Which, of course, is ridiculous because we all know that the Taliban would be completely decimated. If he'd said ISIS or something like that, that would have held more, or Hamas, that would have been more a credible threat. Anyway. Well, and the Taliban's busy running a country

at the moment as well. They are, they are, yeah. It's not as easy as they thought. No, no, it's not. Well, they were running it, then they were bombed for 20 years, and now they're running it again. So good job, America. I think we might have had something to do with that as well.

Yeah. Well, come on. It's easy to blame the Americans. If they want all the glory, they should take all the blame as well. That's what good leadership looks like. Very true. Very true.

Anyway, the message, even though it's sent in a private chat was picked up by uk security services and this is where it gets like a very like you know how did they pick it up and um it was uh there's been lots of debates i've been seeing on on x and what have you about how this happened so some people saying like well if you look at snapchat's policies uh one-to-one messages are encrypted but group messages aren't necessarily encrypted others are like well he was on the gatwick wi-fi so that was obviously their man in the middling, all the stuff there. Other than saying maybe Snapchat moderators, they pick up on this stuff and then they pass the information on. Some have even suggested maybe one of his mates has a joke, then click the report this message as terrorism.

I would definitely do that to you. Exactly, exactly. And I thought, well, Andy, come on, give us a spill the tea of what happened here. So this is like the big, like, how did they know? And, you know, there's all this stuff about end-to-end encryption. Anyway, the Spanish, probably some guys called Enrique over there as well.

I don't know they uh they they thought oh this easy jet flight is coming in there's uh there's a chance that it's going to blow up so what do we do let's scramble two fighter jets to escort the plane down i'm not sure in those instances what they expect the jets to do i know so if they would shoot the plane down i'm not sure in those instances what they expect the jets to do i know so if they would shoot the plane down over um over sea or over areas less densely populated areas but what if they're not over the sea or less you know do they just let it carry on no this is what they have to decide they have to decide where the least amount of damage would occur it's a situation do not have a tractor beam that they can go and i will pull the plane i'll tell you what jeff when's your next flight because you can uh report on the inside for

us yeah yeah yeah let's all get snapchat and let's test it out. No. I've got Snapchat. Like you need an excuse to get Snapcock, Jeb. I don't know. No, no, no, no, no. But, yeah, so now the man is in trial in Spain and apparently the fighter jets being deployed and everything, it's like he could be facing a penalty of like £95,000. Well, wasn't it a fine of £20,000

and the Spanish government are asking for £95,000 to pay for the cost of the jets? Yeah. That stuff's not cheap, man. Jet fuel's not cheap. No, it's not. No. It's not, especially in those American, you know, subscription services for their aircraft, right?

You know, they can buy those FAA teams really cheaply, but it's the fuel they have to put in them which is on a subscription service, right? That's the problem. That's why they need the money. They need to go and, like, find countries that have these resources that they might be able to get for cheaper. That's right, yeah.

It's a good idea. It's a good idea. Yeah. The one thing I will say in Aditya's defence is he was born after 9-11. He was. He's only 18. That's what I saw when he'd done that.

So it's, you know uh not not that he's not facing jail time or terrorism charges but the fine is the thing and that's like nearly 100 grand worth of fines so it's not no small matter for for a young lad like that so police experts told the court that they they went through his phone and they although they found that he had researched clashes between Pakistan and India and the possibilities of an Islamic State attack in that area. They did not find anything of interest that linked Verma to jihadist radicalism. radicalism yeah this is again so worrying like you could if if we just handed police andy's phone and say like comb through it why me that's an example that's an example you know if we handed the police andy's phone we would all be in trouble yeah usually assured destruction yeah that's right there'll be every there'd be like massive like you know police conducted dawn raids on like you

know or like 80 of his ex-colleagues in every company he's ever worked in like you know yeah all these things everything taken down but um yeah I think it's uh it's an interesting story a bit of an overreaction but also no i wouldn't go that far i would not go that far but no reaction no it's just classic budget budget airline right you book an easy jet flight you think it's going to be 19 quid to spain by the time you land you got a total bill of 115,000. It's all this hidden pricing that comes with these flights. Perfect. And he still wasn't allowed to take his own food on board.

Yeah. Excellent. Do you know what? In solidarity, Jav, I'm going to agree with you I mean fair play to the guy but he's still a bit of an idiot right

That was this week's Yeah definitely Billy Big Balls of the week This is the Host Unknown Podcast It is and Andy we're rapidly running out of it. But what time is it?

It's that time of the show where we head over to our news sources over at the InfoSec PA Newswire, who have been very busy bringing us the latest and greatest security news from around the globe. Industry News. Industry News Tycorp blocks 9near.org to avoid exposure of 55 million citizens. Industry News Mega Breach database exposes 26 billion records. Industry News French watchdog slams Amazon with 3232m fine for spying on workers.

Industry News AI set to supercharge ransomware threats, says NCSC. Industry News X makes passkeys available for US-based users. Industry News Chuck GPT cybercrime surge revealed in 3,000 dark web posts. Industry News.

HPE says SolarWinds hackers accessed its emails. Industry News. Southern Water confirmed data breach following BlackBasta claims. Industry News. China-aligned ABT group Blackwood unleashes NSPX

30 implant. Industry News. And that was this week's Industry News. Huge. Huge. Right, two stories only, because we're on the clock here, so two stories only. Some of these the clock here so two stories only some of these stories

don't even make okay no not the way you read them out um so an nsx nspx 30 implant i'm liking the sound of that is that like um what you know like something you put in your wrist so you can open doors and stuff like that. It's like how you make cyborgs. Yeah, exactly. Either that or it's the new Nissan. Yeah. So this mega breach database, which exposes 26 billion records,

it says a new 12 terabyte database of 26 billion records has been found exposed online by security researchers. You just stumble across that. So it was a haul discovered by CyberNews. Among the records leaked, 1.5 billion belonging to Tencent customers, 500 million from Chinese Twitter-like site Weibo, along with MySpace, Twitter, LinkedIn, Adobe, and many more. Have I got to change my password on Adobe again, then?

Yeah. Do you know what I was going to say? The other day at work, long story short, I needed to buy something through Adobe. And it was going to take too long to do a very purchase order. So I said, I'll stick on my credit card. Spoke to the Adobe account manager. He said he'll send me a link. He sent me a link to make a payment. I clicked in and luckily it didn't accept my Amex. Right. And then I said, OK. And, you know, I said, I i get my visa out and i thought right before i pay i said how do you know this is going to go to your account you know

because it's just a link right it just takes me straight in so i said how are you going to tally this back to to our account yeah he said oh you have to sign in first and i was like whoa like you know i just posted my am Fortunately, it didn't accept it. And it's a couple of grand as well. So it wasn't a small amount. I was like, sign in. I said, I don't have a company account. Like someone else that runs it for us.

I was logged in as you, Tom. I was logged into your company, Adobe account. Because you're supposed to be downloading images, right? So I can use all my credit. Yeah. So I had almost topped up your account with a couple of thousand pounds worth of and you know had it accepted my amex it would have worked it was only as i was as i was thinking about it with the account manager on the phone i queried how they were going to tally it up to belong to our account uh and then i noticed your little logo your little company logo yeah was i going

to be the proud owner of a new adobe suite of some description absolutely you know what it's i find it a lot easier rather than subscribe to adobe just go on fiverr get someone else to do whatever i want just pay him like literally like 10 quid and that's it there are there's people on there who um that they've got corporate subscriptions you know that there's yeah in other other countries yeah they have corporate subscriptions you tell them exactly what images you want and they'll do it for you yeah but uh yeah alas uh was there any other interesting story? I don't think so, really. No, that was it.

I mean, the only one, the French watchdog slams Amazon for spying on workers. And that's so funny because, like, when have the French ever done any work? You know, they're always on strike, so. Oh, dear me. Andy and I would just like to distance ourselves from our xenophobic friend here to our right. Anyway, that was this week's... Industry News.

Brexit means Brexit. The host unknown podcast. Orally delivering the warm and fuzzy feeling you get when you pee yourself. Ah. All right, Andy, take us home now with this week's... Tweet of the Week. And we always play that one twice.

Tweet of the Week. And this week's Tweet of the Week is from Jorge Morelo, or George Morelo, the Hornets Fury on X. And he has a screenshot and he captions it with my last message before my slack was deactivated and he posts it to obviously the the slack channel it says look i'm just happy we're able to provide some value to the shareholders wow so well no idea what happened after that but you know these things happen you think one day you're a good worker you're a good corporate citizen you're doing your best for the company

next minute you're just a rounding arrow on an excel spreadsheet yep you know it's uh you know something i think you know many of us would uh honestly you know want to have on our gravestone he added share he added some value to the shareholders during his life it's like that linkedin post isn't it like you know he died what he loved doing yeah you know sales on the road or whatever yeah that's right that was a real post or was it i think it was a yeah it wasn't real, real. It's hard to tell. It's hard to tell. That's the state of LinkedIn, you know, account, isn't it? On that note, I saw someone,

this is a legit post on LinkedIn just a week or so ago, and there's like a sales leader, like he's like head of sales for some company. And he posted a picture. This is just before Christmas. He was in the airport lounge and some other guy opposite him he blurred out his face but he was he was sort of like leaning against his carry-on roller bag and sleeping and he goes like this is what sales people do they're road warriors and big salute to

all the ones that are you know out on the road making shit happen and stuff like that and there are so many people saying yeah that's the spirit and i was like that's really sad like there's someone who's near christmas is away from their family absolutely burnt out having to sleep at an airport and you're thinking that's a good thing yeah well this whole concept of road warrior right this it's a it's a macho thing to do kind of you know it's really 1950s-esque isn't it yeah yeah i mean the only real road warriors were hawk and um animal animal hawk and animal uh yeah a term that's what a rush what a rush is this a wrestling thing yes I think the less we talk about

wrestling at the moment the better why just two words Vince McMahon right that was

this week's and don't tell me I'm not right okay folks thank you so much Jeff thank you so much

for your time today much appreciated yeah no worries Vince for president fucking hell we're so cancelled okay

and I'm tapping out of this one I can't I can't support this one Andy thank you, sir. Stay secure, my friend. Stay secure.

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have destroyed said line, created new boundaries, drawn another line, and blown that one up as well. So, is he really any more incompetent than previous president are we talking about Andy or someone else but what we're saying here the bar is so low it's a tripping hazard in hell yes this is where we are this is very very true very very true