The Host Unknown Podcast - Episode 231: A teeny weeny bit late on this one

Episode Date: January 15, 2026

Same format. Banter, lame jokes, inside jokes, lame inside jokes. This week in infosec A weak rant.A billy big balls Industry newsSome tweet of the week.And closing thoughts Come on! Like and bloody well subscribe!

Happy Traitors Day, everybody. No, it's, you're thinking, a 4th of July. Yeah. Oh, whatever it is. What is it this year now? Sorry? I think this is the time of year where they kill all the natives and steal the land. Oh, that's right.

And then say what they're grateful for. And then run out of food and go, ah, can you help us? Yeah. Hello, hello, hello, hello, good morning, good afternoon, good evening from wherever you are joining us. And welcome, welcome one and all to episode 231. 227, the drum roll is not playing. That's really weird. Oh, dear.

Last week you said I put it into a spreadsheet, I'll calculate it, is 230 and you're in alignment. What? No, no. I'm just reading what's on here. It says 2-27. That's 231. Is this like an augmented reality thing? So when we look at something, what Jav sees is like some gibberish, but what you and I see are two different numbers

separated by exactly four. I can see that it's separated on the show notes. All I'm saying is I'm surprised to see it like that because last time we recorded, you both arrived at the consensus, and you Tom admitted that you'd put it into a spreadsheet, You counted it all and it was the right number. And now you've degraded again.

No, no, I'm right. Have you rolled back your software update or something? This is, no, it's just like following like government manifestos is that, you know, you say one thing and then. And do another. And then do another. Yeah, that's fine. Raising taxes, yeah. Exactly.

Exactly. Or, like Andy, just lie through your teeth every single week. Andy's many things. He's not a liar. That's all I have to say. Thank you, Jeff. Really? Really?

Okay. You will not besmirch my good name. If this was not going out to the public, there would be much besmirching going on right now. Right, I'm making our group chat public. Hold on. Hey, I've got nothing to hide. And talking of things that should be hidden. Jav, how are you?

Oh, dear. I'm good, I'm good. You know, I am thankful. It's Thanksgiving this week because these last two days have been blissfully quiet. So quiet. Exactly. So quiet. It's been so, not.

Actually, I was busy working on something, like a document. And I saw, and just I had slack in the corner over then. And one of my colleagues ping me and say, like, oh, do you have time to do that reply to that email? And I realized I hadn't even opened the email for like three hours. It was just on some other window behind something. I hadn't even looked at it. And I was like, oh, yeah, some people are working the ones in the UK or Europe. Yeah.

So it was a, it has been a nice, nice couple of days. And then next week I'm travelling over to Marika. I'll be in Florida. America. Winter sun. Ah. Your favourite part of the world? It is my favourite part of the world.

I don't care what haters say. Oh dear And talking to haters Andy how are you What's your week been like? All good I have been out in the winter sun Myself,

Hence I was not here last week I have been hiking In the mountains of Mauritius I hope you paid attention To those notes I sent you about travelling to Mauritius I did really useful Thank you for the tip

On picking up a SIM card At the airport You know what saved me so much hassle Trying to then find a local place and you know, not get easy, not working. Yeah, all that useful stuff. You don't want to do that. Yeah, and not paying like, you know,

seven pounds a minute for data. Yeah, you'd have to be an idiot to do that. Yeah, 100%. So I thank you for the leadership and guidance on that. Yeah, exactly. So how long are you in Mauritius for? Was it a holiday or was it? Yeah, it was a brief holiday.

Get a bit of winter sun. It didn't get the weather I was hoping for, unfortunately. only 27 degrees, but a cellar. That's not, I thought it was like in the, right in their summer at the moment. Summer's a bit delayed at the moment. It's a bit overcast. So to the point where I actually have some light cheese

coming over next week. I've ordered them because the light cheese I got, it is lighty season, but the ones I got weren't as sweet as I was hoping. They needed like another couple of weeks in the sun. So you've ordered some more? So I've ordered some I've got two kilos coming next week

Is this on your land You now grow lichies Oh no sad I wish I could So lichies They're very They're only here for like three months of the year And they are heavily protected

Because the fruit bats Will eat them And so you have to really tend to them And make sure they're covered properly And stuff But no my land is absolutely empty now You used to have jackfruit And mango trees on there

But Yeah But now you've done what every good Englishman does and pave over it. Just like the front garden. Exactly. Maybe you've got some campus trees in the middle. And Andy, true to form, he even paid for his neighbouring, plots the land to be like all the trees to be cleared from there and bushes to be trimmed. I've got the tarmac and the wheelbarrow.

Shall I just carry on? Oh, you're not far off. Not far off. But yeah, talking of people, I guess, just carrying on aimlessly. Thomas, how are you this week? Oh, my God. Do you know what? I'm exhausted and I hurt everywhere.

Moving house is not for the faint of heart, I have to say, especially by yourself. There's a lot of bloody cardboard involved. All I can smell is cardboard at the moment. It's just shocking. I've lost... You're sure you're not having a stroke? Sorry. Does it smell like...

Does it smell like burnt cardboard? Yeah, burnt... Burned car, exactly. I've lost over six kilos in sort of basically three weeks. Five kilos in two weeks. It slowed down a bit because I'm not lifting so many heavy things. It's just insane. I've got one room that's left full of cardboard.

I just need to do that. That's the office. So hence why, if it's a little echo, it's because I'm in the kitchen at the moment. So, you know, maybe if you got rid of the cardboard, the place wouldn't smell of cardboard. I'm just suggesting maybe there's a correlation. Yeah, that's just like wild speculation, man. I mean, just cite your resources.

You're right. I mean, I don't really need to sleep, eat, work or anything like that. You know, just get rid of the cardboard. Although, Gloucester Council, you have to book an appointment to go to the recycling centre. still. Ridicter. That's a COVID thing, right? Yeah.

So I got turned away the first time with a car full of stuff that I was needed to empty because I had to go and pick up something else. Oh my God, I was livid. I think I was the angry old man driving off going, I think I'll just fucking flytip this thing, you know. But yeah. Oh my God. Just so annoying. So annoying. But I'm in.

It's gorgeous. I've got most of the rooms are reasonably tidy. It's all good. It's all good. I've already had house guests, so it can't be that bad. So you know, if you sign off of the property to your kid's name and you survive for the next seven years, they get out of family to pay inheritance tax. Yeah. Or if you put the property under a limited company and then you sort of like rent it from your limited

company, then you can avoid inheritance tax as well. I'm just throwing that out there because it's a lot of inheritance tax that goes out. Because you have a lot of experience as a company director to do this sort of thing. I do indeed. I think he's more clued up on how to be tax efficient. That's the term. Yes. Tax efficient. Okay. Yes. Talking of efficiency, shall we see what we've got coming up for you this week? This week and in for A concept reminds us of two now wholly irrelevant companies making big moves for the internet. Rant of the week struggles to be a cyber security story, but is also very relevant to culture, and we love a bit of that.

Billy Big Balls considers the question, should CESOs, and especially ex-Cesos, get hobbies to keep them from doing this kind of thing? Industry News brings the latest and greatest security news stories from around the world and tweet of the week. once again makes us question the internet of things. So moving swiftly on, let's head into our favourite part of the show. It's the part of the show that we like to call. This week in Infosec.

It is that part of the show where we take a trip down Infosec Memory Lane with content liberated from the today. Infosec, Twitter account and further afield. And today, our first story comes further afield and will take us back a mere 27 years. No, lost it. To the 24th November, 1998. No, there is not a lag on the sound. Yes, that calculated.

It is just kick in now. The 24th of November, 1998, when AOL announced that it would buy Netscape communications in a stock for stock deal worth approximately $4.2 billion. And at the time, it was considered a move by AOL and Netscape to merge forces to better compete with Microsoft in the browser and internet provider markets. So this was known as the $4.2 billion deal that tried and failed to stop Microsoft

when obviously AOL announced it was buying Netscape. And at the time, it sounded. huge. The idea was that AOL's massive user base, if you remember, the free CDs they'd give out, and Netscape's once dominant browser could join forces and finally put pressure on Microsoft, which was steamroll in the market at Windows and Explorer. But it didn't play out that way, as we know, looking at the survivors. Microsoft's control of the PC ecosystem was overwhelming. Internet Explorer became the default browser for almost everyone in the late 90s, and Netscape's market share collapsed.

And so by 2003, AOL Time Warner, the then owner of Netscape, settled an antitrust lawsuit with Microsoft, essentially an acknowledgement of how badly the browser wars had gone. But AOL's own story shifted too. The dial-up empire faded as broadband took over. AOL spun out of Time Warner, got bought by Verizon, merged into Yahoo, and eventually became part of Apollo's media group, which again was another once iconic dial-up service

and that thing that introduced millions of people to the internet in the 90s. I was going to say because Yahoo's still doing really well today as well. Exactly, yeah, all of these companies. But interestingly enough, the dial-up service actually finally shut down for good and do you know when? I think we spoke about this.

It was actually set down for good. September this year. What? Like two months ago? Dial-up was running until September this year, literally two months ago. Oh, someone's Googling.

Yeah, Jazz Googling this. But yeah, so a big $4.2 billion bet to challenge Microsoft. Historically fascinating, but ultimately a miss. Wow. Yeah.

Tough times. Yeah. I was Googling something else just to Oh so you were being incredibly relevant to that story I was being incredibly relevant to the story Because I was about I was looking up because I was certain With dialogue ending a year or two ago I was sure that was about the same time that the talking clock stopped as well on BT

But I just googled it and apparently It's still going It's still going Yeah It's still going I mean, who still dials 1, 2, 3 from your landline if you have a landline? Well, people that want to listen to the talking clock, obviously. Seriously?

Not everyone can afford a watch. Alas, our second story takes us back a mere 40 years. Come on, I got that bang on time and you crashed it. I just wasn't expecting it at all. To the 17th November, 1985. when the hackazine frack was first published. Though it's been published infrequently the last two decades, it is still around with the 72nd issue published in August of this year.

And I'll tell you why frack matters in Infosec history. Because it first launched in 1985 and became one of the earliest and most influential pieces of hacker culture before cyber security was a profession, before DefCon was a conference, before bug bounties existed, Frack was where people shared knowledge. It published tutorials on hacking, phone freaking, system internals and early security research at time when this information simply wasn't documented anywhere else. So it shaped the Tony underground community, technical, rebellious, curious, often provocative. And even though it's been published irregularly in recent years, it's never disappeared.

And issue 72 came out in 20... August 2025, we said, which is nearly 40 years after its debut. But for many people in the field, Frack is part of the DNA modern infosec, and it's where a lot of the culture started. I just, what I like about this story is that it shows that there are other people who publish even less frequently than we do. If it's good enough for Frack, it's good enough for us. It's good enough of it. Yeah. We are the second worst in the industry. at publishing regularly. I'll take that.

Worst, seconds. I choose a different word than worse, but you know. You know, some people feel that they have to say something even when there's nothing to say. We only speak when there's something of value to be given. Exactly. It's like people at conferences that get the mic and ask, they make a stupid statement just so they can hear their voices.

I don't have a cormorant. I'm sorry, a cormerant. Is a seaborne bird? Why are you asking a cormant? Exactly. All right, moving stuff we're on. Thank you, Andy, for... This week, in InfoSwerk. Are you not entertained? What?

The judges were, you're listening to Europe's most entertaining content. What are you talking about, man? The host unknown podcast. All right, let's move on to the ranty bit. Listen up! Rant of the week. It's sad to mother-fitting rage! So, the headlong.

line read Soup King Campbell's parts away with ITVP after 3D printed chicken remarks. Campbell's, which is more of an American brand, I think. We get it here. We do get it here, yeah, I think it's more common in America than say Heinz, but they're in the same business as Heinz, that sort of thing. So very, you know, large company. They're a company built on the idea, like Heinz, of affordable, accessible food. And unfortunately, there was a senior IT vice president, which puts this in the cyber security realm just, I guess, given he's an IT person, who apparently forgot that that basic fact entirely that it's affordable and accessible.

Because according to a reported conversation, the VP sat there and described Campbell's products as, and I quote, shit for poor people. I wonder if this guy's related to Gerald Ratner. That's the one else. It's got some Ratner vibes, isn't it? Not behind closed doors to a group of equally jaded execs, no, but to a junior employee, which is just arrogance and contempt. Contempt for the brand, contempt for the workforce, and contempt for actually the customers, the people that pay his salary at the end of the day.

And then he supposedly goes on to sneer that the company's chicken is bioengineered meat from a 3D printer. Now, apart from just being frankly ridiculous from somebody who should understand his own supply chain, because surely bioengineered 3D printed chicken is going to be more expensive than a chicken. certainly at the volumes that Campbell's are working at. Anyway, but what exactly was his goal? Was he trying to undermine his employer, but, you know, perform some, you know, performative edgy TED Talk? Or, you know, or what? But it's just astonishing how casually he ran down his own business. Like trashing the product was, you know, just part of his personality. So what? actually happened was that there was a chap who started in September 2024, a chap named Robert Grazer,

as a cyber security analyst at Campbell's. And in the filing, in the court filing, it asserts that in November 2024, Gaza met with the CIO, Martin Bally, who was then a VP for IT at the suitmaker to discuss his salary. And it was then that this guy that Bally referred to Campbell's products as being for poor people, he even made racist remarks about some workers. Gaza also alleges that after the meeting, he reported these remarks to his manager, but Campbell's didn't do anything. And he further claims that in January 2025, he suggested raising the matter with Campbell's HR team, but that his manager again took no action. But the line crossing doesn't stop there

and there's an even bigger kicker here in that the whistleblower, Gaza, the person who had the backbone to report the VP for IT for his racist remarks and for his casual dissing of the company, the workforce and the, and the customers, he lost his job. He got fired. He got fired and it was a decision for which Bally and the manager, so the ITVP and this chap, Gaza's manager, were allegedly responsible for.

So let's be clear. This is a real failure of culture. When a senior leader feels comfortable calling customers poor people like they're beneath him, mocking the food that pays his salary, and making casual racist remarks about his workforce, it's not just an HR problem. It's a real culture problem. This person is supposed to be a leader at this company. It's a culture, a values, a leadership. And it's been probably, it smacks a little bit of being endemic within all of Campbell's as well. So, of course, Campbell's want to reassure everyone that they use real chicken because that's the important part to address here, right?

And that the comments don't represent their brand. I mean, I'm not sure of a brand that would say that it would. Yeah. But you don't get to pretend this is an isolated incident when the thunderstorm has clearly been sitting, you know, right above you on this. So the rant is, if you're feeding it, everyday families, people who are making tough choices at the shopping till, the bare minimum

your leadership can offer is at least respect for your customers. And if that's too much to ask, then, well, then maybe the can and the logo is not the only thing that needs to be redesigned. Like you said, a very tenuous link to cyber security. The guy that got sacked was the whistleblower was a security analyst. It's a pure cyber security story. Yeah, you're standing up for our brothers and sisters in the cyber security world. Exactly. All I see is Gaza by name, grasser by nature.

So we are saying your response to this is snitches get stitches. He deserve to be sacked. He deserved to be sacked. I'm merely making the observation that the snitch got a stitch. I'm not saying that I condo. that activity. It is merely an observation as to why so many people

might be afraid to call that. This story does not reflect the values of Javadcore. No. Or host unknown. Or host unknown. I think collectively

we probably couldn't give a toss. But you know. Oh dear. Yeah, weird one. What a knobhead though. Really? Totally. Really? Totally.

On that note. Rant of the week. In the category of most entertaining content, the winners are post unknown. It's also strange for us because we voted for Lazarus Heist too. Might need to update that at some point. I think we say that every time. Right, Jeb, let's see what, you know, tenuous thing you're in support of this week. Okay, so the balls have been dropped by the website hacklaw.org in an open letter,

released on November 24th, 2025, to the public employers, journalists and policy makers. It might as well be to everyone or to whom it may concern. And it starts off, we are a group of current and former chief information security officers. security leaders and practitioners who have seen how compromises unfold in the real world across industry, academia and government. And we write to correct a set of persistent myths about digital risks for everyday people and small businesses, as opposed to high-risk individuals that continue to circulate widely online and in public advice columns. And they have six main bullet points, that they are challenging.

So they, the pieces of advice such as avoiding public Wi-Fi, never scanning, scanning QR codes, never charging devices from public USB ports. I mean, it's the kind of stuff like, yeah,

even the juice jacking stuff, yes, in theory, but honestly, I mean, Tom, do you, when you go into the BA lounge and Terminal 5,

are you really worried that, oh, if I plug in this, my phone to charge here? someone from the CIA, I don't know, some shady agency is going to be mining your phone for data. I'm not worried about my company data being stolen because if they can't protect it, then, you know. Yeah, exactly. I mean, what's the point? Yeah, exactly. Turn off Bluetooth and NFC, regularly clear cookies and regularly. I mean, come on. How do you get shit done if you're turning off Bluetooth, right?

That's it. Like your watch stops updating. Yeah. Your earpods don't work. Exactly. Exactly. This is like, do you remember when Windows said they received the, the Orange Book C2 rating for Windows NT4? But the requirements were like it had to be in a locked room and disconnected from the network with an guard outside? That's what some of this had watched. And switched off.

Yeah. So they've then said given some more better recommendations. So keep your devices updated. Use MFA, use strong pass phrases, and use a password manager. And I think it just makes total sense. And then there's a whole long list. I think there's about 80 names to this, to this, who have put their names.

They've recognised a few of them. Yeah, yeah. let's see. I'm surprised I didn't see either of your names on there because you guys are you go to the opening of a cafe envelope. Envelope, yeah. Yeah.

I think that's what I take umbrage at of this story the most was why wasn't I asked to sign? Why was I not able to turn down signing this? Yes, exactly, exactly. They've even got somebody who's X Rapid 7. I mean, how does that help? Your predecessor.

But it's not even my predecessor. That's the best part. I know there's lots of former and exes on this. There's like former trust officer, former, you know, CISO at Netflix. Well, there's two people who were former Netflix people. There's Michael Coates, former Cesar at Twitter. Why do people do that?

Why do they put former this, former that? It's like... Because they're now in a role that isn't obvious. security related so they want to try and say hey look i am relevant yeah you might not remember me or my name yeah see that's why you shouldn't feel so bad tom about playing the jingles about us winning a war because true yeah people forget yeah ex winners yeah yeah ex winners exactly exactly the older we get

the better we were the funnier we were that's right that's right now you're funny but not intentionally Tom right yes

absolutely that's only when I fall over on stage in Sherman Nickers oh you know what who else signed Joe Sullivan do you remember Joe Sullivan he was the CISO

where I believe Uber Uber who paid oh who got hacked and then they They tracked down the hack and paid them money to say it was a bug bounty. Basically, he lied. Retrospectively said it as a bug bounty.

Was he sees though when they were sort of doing all the dark stuff and tracking people? I believe so, yeah. Yeah. Great guy. Yeah, yeah. But now he's CEO for Ukraine friends and Joe Sullivan Security LLC. Oh, your friend, Tom, Alex Damos. He wants to connect to me on LinkedIn.

Alex, if you're listening. why? Yes, Alex, why? Don't. Nothing good. What have I done? What have I said? If I said anything bad about you, Alex, I'm sorry.

I just get caught up. What can I say? Alex, if you are. You're guaranteed to have some kind of major security or privacy incident if Stamos is at the wheel. I'm just saying. Well, Alex, if you're listening. I'm just, not causation, just correlation.

And you want to say something nice, then please, I tell you what, you can come on. the show and you can run your own segment. How's that? No, we're not giving away segments like that. What's the matter with you, Tom? Not for free anyway, yeah. No, but think of the exposure we get having Alex's name. No, no, no, no. We'd get hacked. I saw, I saw this post on LinkedIn and Andy, you probably, this is

well in your wheelhouse. Apparently Chelsea Football Club don't have a main sponsor on the kit at the moment. This is correct. It's been going on for a couple of seasons now. Right, right. And I read about it and someone said, well, why don't they give it to a charity, for example, for free? Yeah, that's a really good idea. And then they said, but then what happens when some big company does come along and say, here's 10 million, put us on the thing? And then they have to turn around and say charities. You're talking like 50 to 70 million, not 10 million.

Yeah, but also, why don't you say, okay, yes, next season? No. So what you do is you preserve the integrity of your brand and the space by not giving it to anyone because you put a price on it, and that's the real value. So just to, I mean, at the moment, it's not about integrity. So they did have a sponsor originally. So it all went to crap when Abramovich was sanctioned, and then three pulled out who were the sponsor. They didn't want to be associated with the sanction club. And then they had a sponsor, which was a gambling company.

And the supporters trust said, we don't support gambling. This is a family club. You shouldn't be encouraging gambling. For kids, like a lot of people struggle with addiction to gambling and stuff. So the club listened, they said, okay, we won't use a gaming sponsor. Then they secured a deal with Paramount. And when it went to get ratified, the Premier League said, sorry, but we sold all the rights to the Premier League in this country to Sky.

And Paramount is a competitor, so you cannot have them as a sponsor. So it is not through lack of trying that they get in a sponsor. It is just the opportunities are not lining up. No, we do not have sponsors on this show. This is where I was going, Andy, said thanks for ruining the whole piece. We also do not have sponsors. Not through lack of trying. Not through lack of trying, exactly.

What do you mean? Not through lack of trying. We've not tried at all. Well, we're not giving it away to Alex Stamos and friends, or whoever you want to give it away to. Oh, but so if he offers us, I don't know, 20 grand. We'll take 20 because you normally offer five, you normally say it's five grand, so we'll take 20.

In fact, we can give him four segments. He can do this week in history, rant of the week, Billy Big Bulls and tweet of the week. A different one each week. And we're not stretching it out. That's 25K if you want to stretch it out. It's a one and done. So basically it will just be the Alex Stamos show.

pretty much yeah and then it would get hacked and taken down and be meered in scandals with data that was stolen I think you mean mired

mired meared now meared is when you're on a desert island with a survival tool called Ray Mears oh dear interesting

better drink my own piss sure I don't know what that's got to do with the conversation Andy but go for it man you're just not online This is a problem. Should we move on from the feculents?

Let's do it. We need to wrap this up, man. Billy Big Balls of the week. We're so short a time, we're not even going to do a jingle, because, Andy, what time is it? It is that time of the show. We head offshore news sources over at the Infosec. P.A. Newswire, who have been very busy

bringing us the latest and greatest security news from around the globe. Industry News. Iberia Airlines Notifies customers of supply chain data breach Industry News Mounting cyber threats prompt calls for economic security bill Industry News London councils hit by serious cyber incidents

Industry News UK report proposes liability for software provider insecurity Industry News Key provisions of the UK Cyber Resilience Bill revealed Industry News. Open AI warns off mixed panel data breach impacting appi users. Industry News. Asahi confirms 1.5 million customers affected in major cyber attack.

Industry News. French Football Federation suffers data breach. Industry News. Threat actors exploit calendar subscriptions for perishing and malware delivery. Industry News And that was this week's Industry News Huge if true

Huge if true You've got you've got to learn the language Jav This is how you integrate into our culture Wow Wow wow wow Wow You went there

Oh man 20 years until you get your leave to remain Right Yeah exactly Well, not if Tom with the St George's flag outside his house has anything to do with it. So, as Sahir confirms, 1.5 million customers affected, I got sent this story about three or four weeks ago. Because as you to probably know, I do a thing about this is what we need security to do to sell more beer, which is the concept of, you know, you don't secure the business.

You help the business sell its core product by, you know, using security. And this guy said, after 15 years of hearing you talk about this, it came true because Asahi were unable to sell beer because of this cyber attack. Wow. You know, you sound like one of my colleagues who will always repeat the same things. And he was saying this thing for 35 years and finally it comes true. And like, I think you and him just prove the same point that if you just keep saying something on a long enough timeline, it will come. true and then you can just say look at me i was a genius all along well isn't that what the you know every december we've got the cyber predictions for the following year right just keep

trotting out exactly the same ones it'll eventually happen yeah what else we got nothing interesting nothing interesting at all it is i mean it's all it's all it's all it's all it's all i mean it's all about cyber incident, cyber incident, supply chain. Seeing as we're a cyber security podcast, but, you know. Yeah. Oh, I got a notification of the OpenAI mixed panel data breach. Apparently they take it very seriously and they believe in trust and honesty and openness. And no credit card information was impacted?

No. No. Excellent. Exactly. The thing that I can replace the most easily. Yeah. A small number of customers were impacted, was it? Yeah, something like that.

Or no customers, but it's, I can't remember. I can't remember. Right, yeah, dull, move on. Industry News. People who rate other security podcasts better than the host unknown podcast are statistically more likely to enjoy the Harry and Megan documentaries. Read into that what you will. All right.

Andy, why don't you take us home with our final segment? Tweet of the week. And we always play that one two and a half times. Tweet of the week. This week's tweet of the week comes from threads, for starters, and is also from Lee Clontz on threads. And this was relevant because of the recent Cloud Fair outage, which is not the first time.

they've had an issue. And so it says theory, the internet can route traffic dynamically in the event of an atomic bomb attack. Reality. I misconfigured DNS and now no one's bed can recline. And this is, it's giving their vibes of the,

do you remember the person was like, oh, you know, AWS East would have gone down. Now I can't open my front door or something. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Yeah. No, I can't. I can't.

I'll take the firmware on one mug. Yeah. Yeah, we're far too connected now. We need to move away from that. We are. That's true. And there was actually a bed company for those who were wondering. Hadesley.

These beds that are connected and they recline and whatever. Yeah, I read the story. Some women, the first she knew there was a problem when she woke up in the upright position. And it defaulted to the safe posture or something. Love it. Oh man. Didn't they also implement an offline mode now or something like that

so you can actually still control it without having access to the internet? Which ironically you'd think would be built in by design, right? Yeah, exactly. If you go back to the old day, you know, like secure doors and stuff, do they fail open or fail close? Like you have to make a decision at the design stage. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Let the people burn, man. We don't fail open. That's all I say. Do you remember the old data centres with the inert gas suppression systems where it's like you've got 30 seconds to get out because we're going to suck all the oxygen out the room. And it's like it's on you whether or not you can get out because machines are more important than you people.

Honestly, it's like something at one of those sci-fi movies when they're trapped in the airlock and you know, the whole phrase balloons up. Which is not what happens at all in space. But there you go. Oh, yeah. Spoken by cosmonaut. Langford

Jeez man Spoilers Yeah I was going to tell you about that next week Anyway thank you Andy for this week's Gentlemen Thank you as always It's been an absolute pleasure To chat and chinwag

And other Verbal manifestations of words Beginning with chah It's been awesome. Thank you so much. Jav, for your time, wit, wisdom, charm and, well, just general, I don't know, moodiness. You're welcome, but I tell you who's not welcome. The person that complained to you about the levels not being correct on this thing. Oh, that was Tor. I just remembered it was Tor. Tor. Tor. Never liked him anyway. That self-entitled prick. No, he's a listener. He's a fan. He's a fan.

You can't say that about, God. He's not even top three. He's not even top three list, yeah? We've only got four. It doesn't matter. He's not a season ticket holder. He doesn't make any of the top tiers. He's not gold silver bronze.

He couldn't even tell you which episode it was. We ascertained it was one that you edited. Andy, thank you so much as well. Stay secure, my friend. friends. Stay secure. Rant of the week. Nice. Edit, edit, edit, hang on.

I've lost it. Literally it. Giant buttons. Labelled. You've been listening to the host unknown podcast. If you enjoyed what you heard, comment and subscribe. If you hated it, please leave your best insult on our Reddit channel. The worst episode ever. No one notice.

No. And I'm not editing that. I'm not changing that. What? Because like, you know, the only person that's going to notice is your mate tour. I just, what, the only person who's going to notice, I, the only person who's listening right now. No, no. Plenty of other people listen, but they...

Well, they don't notice. They notice, but they see it as a turn of endearment. It's like when you see a blooper in, like, a show, you say, oh, that just proves they're human.