The Host Unknown Podcast - Episode 288: Legal and MFA delays

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

18th September 2014: Home Depot disclosed that its data breach was estimated to impact 56 million unique payment cards.Home Depot disclosed that its data breach was estimated to impact 56 million unique payment cards.https://x.com/todayininfosec/status/196887046940830928518th September 2001: The Nimda worm was released. Utilizing 5 different infection vectors, it became the most widespread virus/worm ever after only 22 minutes.Why "Nimda"?$ echo "admin" | revnimdahttps://x.com/todayininfosec/status/1968721441836134825 Rant of the week Google stuffs Chrome full of AI features whether you like it or not Billy big balls Former Facebook policy lead Niamh Sweeney appointed DPC commissioner  Tweet of the week https://bsky.app/profile/jwgoerlich.bsky.social/post/3lz4qt5a64k2p  Come on! Like and bloody well subscribe!

Hello, strangers. Hello. It's been a while. It has. It has been a while. What's been going on? Who are you? Well, as the host, I believe that you enabled two-factor authentication on the podcast and then lost the phone.

So it was either start from scratch or wait until you managed to recover your... I thought he used the authentic. and he wasn't quick enough to type in the code before it just flip over every 30 seconds. You know, on both of you, that just sounds like projection. Okay, Dr. Floyd. You're listening to the host unknown podcast. Hello, hello, hello, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and welcome, welcome one and all to episode 228 of the host unknown podcast I realised halfway through of the host unknown podcast

welcome welcome one on it has been a while it has been a while I think part of it as well was coroll was not quite the higher we thought she was and it took HR and legal a while to extricate her from our affairs. Yeah. Yes, yes. We, um... Lesson learned. We rolled the dice.

Yeah. We chose poorly. We did. I think it's calmer, Tom, because so many organisations felt that same way after hiring you as well. Don't tempt fate. Not yet. Not yet.

Just need a little bit more time. I'm buying a house for goodness sake. Yes. Yes. Well, talking of, uh, tempting fate and getting rid of someone. Jav, how are you, sir? I'm good. I can't remember where I last updated you all with my life story. I know, right. Um, but let's see, in between, and this is going to sound like a bad movie, I've been to two different countries, stayed in a caravan, attended two funerals and a

wedding. What? And that was just that the last one. week? In the last three weeks. Oh, okay. Wow. What was the caravan? I'm not going to ask about anything else. Oh, that was like a family. Oh, and also I took the boys to see their first ever football match. Ah, I'm so sorry for your boys. Who was it? Yeah. So we went to see Toplin play because they're our local team. Honestly, you know, we only support them because it's our local team. We got there. We had to look at the screens and we were asking each other, who are those players? I've never heard of them before. Child abuse. But the stadium was absolutely gorgeous. I bet it was soulless. Solace stadium. Especially my young one, he's, he was jumping around. He was like yelling

at the rev. He was like a proper, like, mini hooligan. I mean, next time I'm going to put him next to the away fans, because he was looking at all the other guys. Like, you know, when he's doing the chance, he doesn't know any of the chance. I don't know. And he was like, proper getting into it. And then I was like, no, not those hand gestures, boy. No, you're not old enough of the... Makes you proud to be British. He's like, come on, Ruff.

And he was like punching the seat and everything. It was just... And in the end, when they won, he took off his shirt, and he's jumping around, swinging it in the air. He was like... How old is he? He's eight. That's brilliant.

Has he got a shaved head this weekend? He's a... Yeah, he's getting a few tattoos. He's like, you know. But, yeah, no, it was a great evening out. But the caravan, yeah, that was a caravan. We went to Mersey Island. I might have actually told you about it.

This might have been a bit further back from that. I have no recollection. Mersey Island is just next to Colchester State. It's an island in the sense that there's a road that connects it to the mainland. But when the tide comes in, it covers the roads that you can't really drive through. Oh, yeah, yeah. So that was the kind of like the novelty factor. We stayed a few days in a caravan park over there,

which was one of those static caravans. Cool. The kids enjoyed, but they, after going to Turkey, they were like, it's a beautiful anti-climatic. When are we getting our teeth done, Dad? Yeah. And talking to getting work done, Andy, how are you? Not too bad.

Do you think I've had work done? Honestly, I saw you yesterday, or be it briefly at the Tice conference. It was very brief. My God, you turned sideways and you disappeared for fuck sake. I mean, good goodness, me. So skinny. You're obviously not giving yourself enough

because Andy's like disappearing. I've been working hard on my reform of Pilates and my spin classes as well. Is that right? Is that the cause of all of them? I've also taken up boxing as well. Sorry, so did you say reform Pilates? So is this like when you go on a march?

And then you do Pilates in between while Drake and the Union Jack. No, it's actually Pilates with ex-prisoners, so you're motivated to keep your butt-clenched. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, no, it's tough. I'll be honest, I used to take the Mick out of a previous colleague who used to do spin class on a Friday morning and move meetings around to accommodate your spin class. and I used to always joke that he was like

with all these old ladies and stuff genuinely one of the toughest things you can do and Pilates with former Pilates as well Pilates is tough I went you know there was literally

two pregnant women in the queue to go and I was like I think I'm in the wrong place this is going to be so easy honestly right I was my legs were just shaking like jelly

when I was trying to hold these poses it's not it's not for the week I'll put it out so I have to do boxing to look a bit manly okay you know but again that's a class that's heavily um full of women so it's uh why not it's a there's a whole team form in here of the type of classes you go to they are very good classes

i'll give you that it's uh so they don't have a gym or anything it's just called um it's a company called one rebel um but they don't have gyms like they just have classes they're all across london and dubai and australia as well but um yeah each each club does different things but yeah the the boxing's only in oxford street which is a pain to get to but the class is actually that good so it's uh it's like boxing and then weights as well yeah so you alternate between the bags and the weights and yeah it's boxer size that sort of thing so it's a three minute warm up i'm i'm not looking forward to being the overweight one of this group you know that you already are i never was it happened don't worry about it it's uh

that midlife crisis when it hits it hits hard right yeah so talking about hard hitting midlife crisis tom how are you doing uh i'm good although you might hear it my voice i got a bit of a cold i think it's because i've been outside a lot recently so you know i do um and and you know my my day job knows this and you know i do some gigs outside of outside of work and all that sort of stuff you know the i'm on this site it's a bit like uh like task rabbit you know that sort of thing where people send you jobs to do and things like that. Well, I think I've picked up a set of gigs from the local council of something because what they've been doing is they've been sending me out at like midnight

to put flags up and to repaint road signs and road markings. And it's great. It's a very satisfying work and apparently I look the part, which is interesting. So, yeah, but I think I might have caught. a cold as a result. Wow. You should, you know what, there's these really good blankets I see, like, they're body warmers, like sort of thing.

You wrap them around you, they're white with a red, red, red, a couple of red lines on them. Oh, they look like the road signs, you know, and the road markings that I've been doing. Yeah. If you wrap yourself up in them, they will keep you warm. Ah, well, do you know what? I'll see if I can pick some up. Because, funnily enough, I've been putting a lot of those up that, as flags as well. It's interesting.

Absolutely fascinating. Absolutely fascinating. And also, the house purchase continues. Survey's done. I took a build around there to take a look and make sure I wasn't buying the damp death trap that my survey said I was. They always have to put something in the survey. I know, I know. Evidence of damp in one wall and the chimney need to be pointing generally. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

They also said the roof is sagging. And the builder, who I was with on Sunday, went out the front. And he said, I think he's looking at the wrong roof. We look at the roof next to it, which is sagging slightly. Oh, wow. But that's like when you do a third-party assessment and you have to come up with something. So it's like, there could be reputational risk if they don't set. That's exactly what it feels like.

That's exactly what it feels like. Anyway, talking of disappointingly sagging, shall we see what we've got coming up? for you this week. This week in InfraSec is a 22-minute world record. Well, back in the day at least. Rant of the week is how Google is given us so much free stuff, whether we want it or not. Bully Big Bulls goes from top of the morning to top of the data tree. Industry news, the latest and greatest security news stories from around the world, and tweet of the week is the wolf taking care of business. So, let's move on to our favourite part of the show. It's the part of the show that we like to call.

This week in Infosec. It is that part of the show where we take a trip down Infosec Memory Lane with content liberated from the Todayan Infosec Twitter account and further afield. And today, our first story takes us back a mere 11 years to the 18th of September 2014, when Home Depot disclosed that its data breach was estimated to impact 56 million unique payment cards. What? Yeah, so it was September 2014.

That was huge at the time, wasn't it? It was huge. They disclosed the large, well, one of the largest retail data breach. is to date, actually. So attackers gained access to its point of sales systems using stolen third-party vendor credentials. And then from there, they deployed custom malware that harvested card details as customers paid at tools across the US in Canada. And the breach went undetected for months between April and September of 2014 before it was finally identified. And then, obviously, after a bit of investigation, Home Depot did confirm that around 56,000,

million unique payment card were exposed, which had bigger than the infamous target breach the year before. Oh, I was going to ask when, oh no, TK. Max. Yeah, 2013. Yeah, but I'm not going to guess at this stage. It's around about the same time, though, wasn't it? Yeah, that whole era with the T.J. Yeah, it was the point of sale attacks. And PCI got launched into the, you know, into the limelight, yeah.

But, yeah, investigations later showed that weak network segments. poor vendor access controls were the major factors. You mean the basics, as we like to call them? The basics, as we call them now. And the company ended up spending hundreds of millions on compensation, credit monitoring, legal settlements and security upgrades. And that incident became a textbook for why third-party risk management, proper segmentation and continuous monitoring are essential in retail security.

And allowed many a QSA to buy yachts. Indeed. Indeed, yeah. And second homes, second damp death trap homes. With Japanese not weed. Yes. Alas, our second story takes us back a mere 24 years to the 18th of September 2001. The NIMDA worm was released, utilising five different counten.

One, two, three, four, five different infection very. and it became the most widespread worm slash virus ever after only 22 minutes. And why did they call it NIMDA? Because it was admin backwards indeed. Yeah, so on 18th September 2001, just a week after the 9-11 attacks, it spread at a speed never seen before. And within 22 minutes, it became the most widespread worm in history at the time. And what made NIMDA so effective was obviously these five different infection vectors

simultaneously. So it spread via email, open network shares, compromised websites, existing backdoors from previous worms, and by exploiting Microsoft IIS vulnerabilities. And then once inside, NIMDA modified the web content to infect visitors, created more backdoors for remote control, and then degraded network performance. But it hit businesses worldwide, knocking systems offline and causing wide. spread disruption but it highlighted how rapidly malware could spread when attackers combined multiple propagation methods and it pushed organisations to take patching seriously along with email filtering which wasn't such a big thing back then because you used to send a lot of jokes around

executable files yeah which were you know do you think they they got round a table like a committee and said look it's it's been a week now since 9-11 as it were since since that those drove. Is it too soon or should we just send it now? I think they actually had it ready to go already. You think they did delay it? Yeah, no, like, look, we don't want to be associating with our own. It's not kick a man while he's down. Yeah, exactly.

Let's do this. Give it a week. We're delaying the launch for a week. A week is a long time in politics, as it were. Exactly. People forget about it. I mean, how long will they remember that? Yeah, exactly. There won't be three Randoes talking about this like 25 years later, will they?

No, no. Excellent. Thank you, Andy, for... This week, in InfoSert. Are you not entertained? What? The judges were, you're listening to Europe's most entertaining content. Bro, what are you talking about, man? The host unknown podcast.

We really must enter ourselves into getting another one of those. Although actually doing podcasts might help her on that front. Right, let's see, let's move on to the ranty part. It is time for. Listen up! Rant of the week. It's sad to mother-friage. So as the two of you know, literally from the minutes before we started recording,

I love Google. But apparently, Google has looked at Chrome and thought, you know what this browser needs? even more not speed even more less memory hogging no

even more fewer adverts creeping in no even more AI I mean do you know

I was at a conference yesterday I find everybody anybody a pound if they said the word AI all day all bleeding day

they're adding a big shiny Gemini button in Chrome click it and Google's AI will summarize whatever page

you're on. Or even summarise multiple tabs because apparently actually reading is now a dead art. And your web history now needs a middle manager to brief you on what you were doing yesterday because we all need more middle managers. But wait, there's more. They're put in AI mode as opposed to rage mode, which is what I'm feeling right now, directly into the address bar. The Omnibox. You type something in it. Hit it. the wrong button and suddenly you're in a chat with Google's AI instead of just, you know, searching or even getting an error 404 or something. But they promise that hitting enter still does a normal search for now. In six months it will be enter is going to become a,

well, what I would call at least at weekends. AI assist me, daddy. And then we get to the really dystopian part. So there's so-called agentic capabilities. bullet, Agenic, I'm so fat up of hearing about Agenic, which is a fancy way of saying that Chrome is going to act on your behalf, despite me not even wishing it to act on my behalf. You tell it to buy something and it just goes off and does it. It fills in forms, orders your shopping, sends your nan a birthday card, even if she's not alive. Basically, your browser is now your PA. It's either brilliant or the phrase, could possibly go wrong, springs to mind. And a bolt in all of this AI into passwords as well.

Notifications, scam site detections, all the stuff that you might actually want, but need to be really careful about. But there is a small catch that you've got to trust Google to do it all for you. This all comes down to how much do you trust Google? This is the same Google. Since this is all about helping users while quietly hoovering up more of your data, more of your behaviour, your tabs, your clicks, your history, etc. Because all of this, of course, is being provided for free. And if it is free, then you are the product, as we well know. And of course, the big unanswered question is that all the data, is all this data, I should

say, stay in private? Or is it going to be feeding either some big AI training machine or going to be? be sold on to someone else's big AI training machine. Google's not said anything about that yet, which, despite me not being the cynic of this group, it usually means that yes, it is. So, originally, Google used to sell, in advert of commerce, Chrome, as being about simplicity, fast, clean, minimal, you could optimize it, you could customize it, etc. And now it's slowly turning into, well, frankly, Clippy, Microsoft Clippy with a side-hustling data harvesting. Personally, I don't need my data browser.

Sorry, I'll start again. Personally, I don't need my browser deciding what I meant to do or filling my taxes in while I'm not looking. Because for a start, I don't want it to tell the truth. I just want to type in a URL, get a website, or get a search. or the other. So, really, I'm starting to struggle a little bit with this AI Everywhere thing, whether you like it or not. Google says it's helping you, but frankly, I say it's helping itself. Yeah, I'm not a fan of this. No. You're such an old man. The future is now.

Says the man whose entire job relies on AI doing all his writing for him. You either embrace it or you get left behind. This is just the way of the world now. But do you not agree that searching these days is a much poorer experience than it used to be? Yeah, it is. AI generated content. Transition period. But we've been in a transition period for a long time.

AI hasn't been out for a long, long time in the grand scheme. It's been out of nearly two years. 1957. Well, actually, yeah, if we want to go all the way back, but mainstream, we're talking like, you know, chat GPT when it brought it to the masses and everyone said, oh, God, we've got to embed this and everything. That was only, what, October 23? 23, yeah. See, I actually like the idea of a PA in the box so that can do my mundane task that.

Say, like, you know, all the flowers for, you know what? It was my anniversary the other day, and I completely forgot. Okay, now I know why you're into this. Yeah, yeah. Now, had I had... You've made a promise that you're never going to... Had you known how to use like a recurring calendar item, maybe, you know, you wouldn't need AI. I just thought it's an important thing.

How can I possibly ever forget? Or respect your other half enough to actually remember. Well, yeah, whatever. I mean, like... I mean, there's so many sites, even if you sign up to once, you can actually say, special occasion, remind me. Yeah. Or even, like, automatically send a.

card on this date. Yeah. Moon Pig do it. Moon Pig. Do it. All of these things, they're like, you have a special occasion

coming up. Yeah. But isn't that better? See, rather than going and signing up to random websites, you just trust one website, Google,

and it sorts it all out for you. Yeah, of all the side, I trust Moon Pig more than I trust Google, if I'm perfectly honest. You could also have Moon Pig deliver not only your birthday, sorry,

card, but also the congratulations on your new baby card nine months later. But I don't know. I think you're making a big issue out of something that you can't stop. It's here. Everyone's going to be doing it. You can't stop it, but you just need to put some guardrails in place. You need to know when it's taking the piss. Yeah.

Exactly. I mean, just wait a few months or a few years when Apple finally comes out with it, built into Safari. Then Tom will be singing a different tune saying how revolutionary this is. It would be a thing of beauty with guardrails. Second mouse gets to cheese, Jeff. Absolutely. Because I trust Tim Apple.

Anyway, that was this week's. Rents of the week. People who rate other security podcasts better than the host unknown podcast are statistically more likely to enjoy the Harry and Megan documentaries. Read into that what you will. All right, Jav, your turn. Let's see if you can up the ante a little bit here. You're a bit lackluster on that one.

I was quite surprised. It's time for... So today's Billy Big Bulls comes from a lady in Ireland Her name is Neem Sweeney Neve oh my days Neve, come on That's Neve yeah For those not watching it's spelled N-I-A-M-H

Neve of course it's Neve Of course It's hard. Just swap some of the consonants around. You'll be fine, Jeff. How could I be so stupid? Let me just replace my notes with N-E-E-E-V-E and then I won't get it wrong. You've got a half-Irish man on the show and an intelligent man on the show.

So between us, we should be okay. Intelligent man. Well, thank you. But, you know. Okay. So, Neve Sweeney has been hired. uh as islands data well she's been hired by islands data protection commission now if you think the name neve sounds familiar even if you didn't know how it was spelled she is a former government

advisor then she went to facebook then WhatsApp and then stripe so now she's back checking everyone's homework on privacy. So it's kind of like the classic poacher turned gamekeeper and I know Tom you give me a lot of flack for this like where I sometimes

play both sides of the fence but at least I don't actually go out and one day get a job as a getaway driver and then enforcing speed cameras the next. It's it's I think

think if you think about it it's you got to admire the sheer audacity it's it you know changing lanes is one thing and i get that where you move from one adjacent field to the other but this is like going down the m1 and you're pulling a handbrake turn across all three four lanes and and heading the the other direction and example that andy would appreciate this is like one of those classic heel turns or or baby face turns it's you know if you think about it like the classics like Hulk Hogan joining the NWO Sean Michaels kicking Marty Janetti through the barbershop window no no this is John Sina turning heel recently surely yeah or Becky Lynch turning on Charlotte you know it's it's quite remarkable um but but

And this is where the big balls comes. For those of you who cannot see, Tom is doing the, he's trying to do the John Cena, you can't see me. But instead of it like horizontally over his face, he was doing it vertically over his face. That's because John Sena's in America and that's NTSC,

whereas over here it's PAL, so it has to be that way around. NTSC couldn't keep up with that. That's why little known facts. John Cena was asked by the broadcasters to do it that way because NTSC couldn't keep up with its interleaved rendering of the TV screen. It's true. Look it up.

That is brilliant. Oh dear. Okay. So moving on. I just think that who better to catch a criminal than a criminal? Are you accusing one of the commissioners of the DPC being a criminal? No, no, okay. Let me rephrase that.

Let me quote the iconic line by Stallone in Demolition Man. Send a maniac to catch a maniac. You've frying pan fire. I'm just, you know, so, you know, if the Data Protection Commission, it's their job to police, high-risk, you know, AI and bi-metric... So do you think this is a good move or a bad move? I think it's a bodacious move. I won't say whether it's good or bad,

but I think there's pros and cons to... Have they put friendly behind enemy lines or are they worried about what she knows? I think that's what makes it great that you just don't know. It's like, we've got to stay tuned to this story. and then find out whether the next week Triple H turns on DX or not.

It's that level of programming, and I think I'm all for it. All right. All right. Well, we'll come back to this story with plenty more wrestling references in the future. Thank you, Jav. That was...

Billy Big Balls of the week. This is the podcast, The King, listens to. Although he won't admit it. All right, Andy, we're running out of time very quickly because we know you have to get to the office bright and early this morning. So, Andy, what time is it? It is that time in the show where we head over to our news sources over at the Infosec PA Newswire, who have been very busy bringing us the latest and greatest curious news from around the globe. Industry News

JLR extends production halt after cyber attack Industry News Chinese AI Villager pen testing tool hits 11,000 downloads Industry News Gucci and Alexander McQueen hit by customer data breach Industry News

A quarter of UK and US firms suffer data poisoning attacks. Industry News. Task us employees behind Coinbase breach, US court filing alleges. Industry News. NCA singles out The Corn as it chairs Five Eyes Group. Industry News. One in three Android apps leak sensitive data. No shit.

I knew it. Industry News. New York Blood Centre alerts, 194,000 people to data breach. Industry News. A pair of suspected scattered spider hackers charged by UK, US authorities. Industry News.

And that was this week's. Industry News. Huge. Huge. And I just realised it's like NCAA singles out the com. I was going to say the... It looked like an R&N from, and then I had to zoom in, and I was like, oh, no, that says the com. You're one of those people that clicks on links that, you know, in Cyrillic characters that look like an N or something, but it's actually a completely different.

Yeah, no, apparently it doesn't have to be in Cyrillic. It just needs to be two letters close together and I get all confused. The dangers of getting old. So I've clicked to this thing. Chinese AI Villager pen testing tool hits 11,000 down. So this is a new AI native pen testing tool called Villager. It's only been released for two months, but it's been developed by a Chinese-based group Cyberspike. But it's essentially, remember like Cali Linux, like backtracking everything.

It's that, all those utilities with deep seek AI built into it to fully automate pen testing works. So it was originally positioned as like some sort of red team solution, but it is now just completely automated that lowers the barrier. to conducting sophisticated attacks. It's the tool of choice, basically. It's now, yeah, the tool of choice. So it's, yeah, it's quite worrying that it's actually now available. And obviously, it's got that whole, you know, a concern over dual use, abuse.

You know, good guys will use it for good things. Bad guys will use it for bad things. Well, it's a bit like, you know, I use a chair for sitting on, but a violent person would use a chair to hit me over the head with. Interesting, you chose a chair instead of knife, which is, you know. Which is the usual one, right? Yeah, never let him know your next move. No, exactly.

Well, in keeping with the wrestling thing, by chair, I mean folding chair, obviously. Yes, yes. One in three Android apps leak sensitive data. That's, well, you know, that's what you get when you don't buy an apple. Indeed. Yeah, that was a giveaway. Enough said. But it is, but in fair, it is an interesting thing about this whole walled garden thing with Apple.

They filter everything, they will check everything, they will ascertain if it's dangerous or not. It goes through quite a rigorous process on the whole, whereas in the Google store it does not. And of course, with the EU instructing Apple to open up its app store or to allow other app stores, we're going to see potentially this happening on the Apple platform as well. it already happens on the platform they just like pay hush money they keep it quiet is that right

have you got the receipts of you yeah let's have a look at one more shall we what do you fancy I started looking at the NCA things at the con but that is just too big a story too complicated yeah

yeah pick up on it next week when someone else has summarised it yeah it's breaking news See, if I had Gemini capabilities in my browser, in my Chrome browser today, I could have just highlighted it and clicked the magic button. But...

But here's the thing. You will have it. I know. It's amazing, isn't it? Whether you want it or not. Although, I must say, I was using Google Sheets yesterday. And it was a raw brain dump. They don't wipe us clean, do they? No, no, no. And...

And, you know, Gemini pops up in Google Sheet, so can I help you with anything? So I've done it all it. And I said, can you make this pretty and format it for me? And he came back saying, well, I can't actually make changes to it. But here's how you can go through it and do it. And say, oh, you can do conditional formatting. You can change colours here. You can do it.

I said, that's no good to me. Exactly. I've got that from my work colleague by tapping them on the shoulder. Yeah. Don't need an intern who's going to do it for me. Yeah. Don't make me go to Fiverr again and, like, find the. guy to build me a dashboard and then

disappear. Send all my company data to some guy in Tunisia. Yeah, exactly. Again. Again, yeah. And then he says, I did not know. Plagiarism was a crime. It's not here. All right, let's move on, shall we? Excellent. Thank you both. That was this week's.

And because we just listen to the fact that the king listens to host unknown, let's remind ourselves of the man that the king was hosting this week in the UK. In Springfield, they're eating the dogs. It's true. It's true. Right, let's move on, shall we? It is time for this week's show to come to a close. why don't you take us home with this week's tweet of the week

and we always play that one twice tweet of the week this week's tweet of the week comes from friend of the show Jay Wolfgang Gurulik but this isn't tweet of the week it's obviously on blue sky and he says

Infosec never click on emails all emails are malware also Infosec check out this new security feature which provides part of passwordless login right from an email link. Which is the beauty of the paradox of Infosec.

It's too true, isn't it? It is too true. It's horribly true, in fact. Not good. Not good at all. It's like the rock-selling shampoo. We're endorsing a shampoo brand. Well, in his new film, he's got hair. Anyway, that was this week's...

The Weight of the Week. Well, we've barreled into the end of the show, And he's looking restless. In fact, he's getting changed on screen right now to get out the door. Gentlemen, thank you so much. Jav, thank you again, wit, wisdom, charm, charisma and bowing to my and Andy's superior knowledge

about pronunciation. You're welcome. Andy is like that person who stands out, you know, when you overrun your talk and they're like standing, they're first holding up the five minutes, two minutes, one minute. Then they're like, it's time, it's time, get off stage. I'm surprised he's still on.

Stay secure, my friends. Okay. Stay secure. You've been listening to the host unknown podcast. If you enjoyed what you heard, comment and subscribe. If you hated it, please leave your best insults on our Reddit channel. Worst episode ever. R slash Smashing Security.

He has literally left the building. He has just walked out. He's left everything running and he's out the door. You know, and I didn't even get to comment on how, You look so professional today, Tom. You've got a nice shirt on, you know, trousers and glasses. I've actually wearing trousers. I know.

I'm here wearing a shirt that says Top Gun on it, and Andy was wearing a bikini bottom-like Spongeball SquarePants shirt. I know. How the turns have wormed. Exactly. Exactly. Yes. Anyway, Andy's off for his 757 train or whatever time it was. Well, it's been a pleasure.

It has indeed. See you later. Tiddoloo.