The Host Unknown Podcast - Episode 289: The Rapture One

Episode Date: October 6, 2025

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being this bloody cold plunge. And he was hyperventilating, and I was here hyperventilating, just watching it. I just want to know why he sent us a video of him half naked in a cold bath. I'm not entirely sure what I said it to you once as well, just to make sure that, you know. And it didn't end up anywhere else. It wasn't a-eyed into something else because I don't trust people. No, you know what the top of all? So I sent Andy this clip on TikTok the other day.

It's Simon Sinek interviewing, I think, is Rob Lowe, and he was talking about the different poses that you do on the red carpet. And one of them is, like, if someone's given you a watch, you sort of like, I have to find an excuse to get your hand up in front of the cameras that you can show off your watch. Otherwise, you're not going to get that watch. Was that what Andy was doing? Is that what Andy was twisting his nipples?

Yes. You're listening to the host unknown podcast. Hello, hello, hello, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, from wherever you are joining us. Welcome, welcome, dear listeners, welcome one and all two. Episode, 225. 229. Exactly. I actually found the little jingle this time, which is quite impressive.

I hope you are impressed. So, gentlemen, welcome. It's been a while. I don't think we've even released last week's podcast yet, and we're still doing another one. It's like we are putting them in the bank. So hopefully they will sort of accrue interest of some kind, probably not from the audience, but nonetheless.

But talking of interest, well, interest going down, in fairness. Jav, how are you? I'm good, I'm good. So you see, we've just got a bit of a JLR issue with production pipeline here. but don't worry scattered spider yeah yeah

I was just travelling all of this week I only got back last night so that's why I did not have a chance to edit last week's episode and then this morning I had to give my motorbike in

for an MOT so I ran off to the shop quickly dropped it off which is kind of like it also made me sad because when I got back yesterday I had a letter from the police because a man can't go 58 in a 50 zone on the north circular at like 1130 at night on

their motorbike. No, damn fascist. It's like fascism, exactly. Is that a fascist state? Is that where it is? It is. It's a fascist state that says what you can and can't do. And when you do the thing that you can't do, they come and get you for it. They do, they've got these cameras everywhere, like these little snitches. Damn, surveillance state that we live in. Surveillance. Surveillance. So these little cameras, are these the little cameras that are in the really big yellow boxes? Yeah. Well, so these were the average speed cameras.

So they don't take a picture of you. You're quite lightly going faster then. Yeah, I was going to say, don't put them down, Jav. They're more than average. And also, the average speed check are actually also bright yellow as per the country. Yeah, exactly on yellow poles. Yeah.

And there's multiple ones in order to get. that they're average so you know yeah but I think it's still a bit so anyway the NWA is my soundtrack for the day and the weekend probably so did you get three points or the offer of a speed awareness course well no I only got the letter at the moment so you know you first have to send off your details to them and then they come back with with an offer so when you say NWA was that the postcode that you were courting close not too far from there actually it was on the north certainly near Finchley, so yeah. And near Finch, oh, nice, nice.

But other than that, you're very well, I hope? I think so, yes. Thank you. Okay. All right, well, let's move on to distinctly average other things like Andy. How are you this week? I'm good. As you alluded to, I took a cold plunge yesterday after my circuit training session.

I went for a, they do a sauna and cold. plunge combo. So he's supposed to spend 12 minutes in the sauna and then two minutes in a cold plunge pool and then return. Do you mean I watched that film for two minutes? No, that was my second attempt and I lasted 37 seconds on the second attempt. The first attempt was significantly shorter, maybe like 11 seconds. You literally teabagged it. For those just joining Andy's talking about his cold plunge, yeah? Yes. I struggled. That first, I couldn't get my breath at all. I was like, properly hyperventilating. I was like, that was the video you didn't send us.

I didn't record the first one for it, yeah, but I actually launched myself out of the cold plunge so badly that I actually missed the steps entirely and just landed on the floor. Oh my God. and it was cold so yeah I built myself up to do it a second time and then the second time there's another guy in the sauna it's like look what you got to do

when you go in there control your breathing it's all in the mind all in the mind control the breathing get in and all in the mind it's all around me

it was like and this thing like you get back in the sauna and obviously my shorts were still wet and I was in the shirt like literally it must have been a good two minutes in the sauna and it felt like I had ice in my

pockets. My shorts were so cold. You were still shivering, almost. Yeah, well, not shivered, but you get this really weird fin of pins and needles, but all over. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, why did, I've never had pins and needles in my back? Why am I doing this to myself? Yeah, I don't know. Hyperthermia kicks in fast. Yeah, I mean, they say it's supposed to be good for the circulation and, yeah, all of that. Well, you're not dead this morning, so I guess it has, you know, circulation maintained. I did. I managed to get out of bed and take the dog for a walk this morning. And last time I did circuit training, that was the struggle. I could barely sit down at my desk. So I think

there may be something in it. It's, yeah, who knows? But talking of people that can barely sit down, Tom, how are you doing? Absolutely. Yeah, but the cream is working a treat. I have to say, the old farmers. Exactly. Yeah, very good. On the roads this week, I said, well, on the roads, and for the Gartner Conference in Excel and now currently in Belfast I'll be flying back tonight for a short weekend and I'm off doing some photography tomorrow

I've got a brand shoot tomorrow which I'm really looking forward to although I have to leave the house at 6.30 in the morning I'm not going to get home until 11 tonight so yeah like a regular day at work for most of us yeah yeah but it's a Saturday

laughing as if he knows exactly what we're talking about The man that's worked from home for the last 15 years and never once rolled into the office before, like, you know, 10 a.m. I spent like 12, 14 hours on a train this week and still not edited a podcast. Yeah. Because the editing software needs a reliable internet connection. And if you've been anywhere... No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't.

Descript does. The one that Jab does, when he says editing software, the one he just dumps into Descript and says generate podcast. Exactly, yes, it needs an internet connection to do it. Well, just because technology's moved on and you guys want to live in the Stone Age, doesn't mean I have to stay living in the Stone Age. I've had a Descript subscription probably longer than you have. Yes.

You have subscriptions to everything longer than anyone has. And do you know what? The benefits are living in the Stone Age? Frequent podcasts get published. Well, why don't you show us how it's, done. Oh, I forgot. You couldn't. I did. 220 times. Oh, man. And talking of

absolute lies. Shall we see what we've got coming up for you this week? This week in Infosec is a Mnick Android double act. Rant of the week is the future. The future of the UK, I tell you. Billy Big Balls gives the best reason ever to go full speed ahead with AI.

Industry News is the latest and greatest security news stories from around the world. and tweet of the week is a valuable fitness advice from Infosec. So let's move on to our favourite part of the show. It's the part of the show that we like to call. This week in Infosec. It is that part of the show where we take a trip down Infosec Memory Lane with content liberating.

from the Today in Infosec Twitter account and further afield. And this week we are going further afield. A mere 29 years ago on the 27th of September 1996 when hacker Kevin Mnick was indicted on charges. So at the time, Mnicknick 33 was indicted on charges resulting from a two and a half year hacking spree.

Police accused the hacker who called himself Condor of stealing soft. worth millions of dollars for major corporations. And the maximum possible sentence for his crimes was going to be 200 years. So this is a story about, obviously, 29 years ago. Known online as Condor was indicted for probably the most famous hacking cases of the 90s. So authorities accused Mittnick of carrying out two and a half year hacking spree, during which he allegedly broke into networks of major.

corporations including Motorola, Nokia, Sun Microsystems, Novel, if you remember them, Fujitsu. Prosecutors claimed that he stole proprietary software worth millions of dollars. Intercepted corporate emails, cloned mobile phones to hide his identity. Pretty cool in the 90s. But at the time, obviously, Mittnet was painted as the most wanted computer criminal in the United States. And that indictment stacked up multiple counts of wire fraud, possession of unauthorized access devices, computer ford, if convicted on all counts. He did face that theoretical maximum of 200 years in prison, though that was more of a prosecutorial, you know,

prosecutor's scare figure and a nice headline grabbing. But I never understand American sentencing that does this kind of thing. You could face 200. The whole prison system is, you know, it's a main making scheme. But anyway, his, you know, notoriety was amplification. was amplified by the dramatic two-year FBI manhunt, which culminated in his 1995 arrest in North Carolina. And so his trial and imprisonment raised questions

about how the law should treat computer crime, especially when some of his actions involved exploring systems rather than any sort of financial game. And it wasn't until 1999, where Mittnick struck a plea deal, pleading guilty to seven counsel fraud and was sentenced to 46 months. months in prison with credit for time already served, plus three years of supervised release

where he was banned from using computers. And then obviously after that release, Mittnick reinvented himself as a security consultant, an author, public speaker, obviously drawing on his past exploits to highlight weaknesses in corporate security and human behavior, effectively turning his black hat skills into a white hat work, and obviously, as we know, one of Jab's former colleagues. Yeah, yeah, rest in peace. Well, you know, speaking of the sentencing, they were so, so either they were like really just trying to scare tactics or they really didn't understand, but there was all sorts of weird things, allegations thrown against him. Like even the police super, like in the court police officers, they were all told to turn their name badges the other way so he couldn't see their names because then he could like hack into their personal lives.

And they also argued with the judge that he shouldn't be allowed any phone. own access because he can phone up NORAD and whistle codes down the phone to launch nuclear missiles. That's brilliant. I mean, it sounds like an Irish folk singer who can whistle with his finger in his ear. Yeah, it's a wild time in the 90s, I think it's certainly where it's similar to what we're seeing now with AI where people are sort of coming up with all kinds of wild allegations about what AI can and can't do. Yeah.

Yeah, but alas, our second story. takes us back 17 years to the 23rd of September 2008. When Google and T-Mobile introduced the T-Mobile G1, also known as the H-TC Dream, which was the world's first Android-based smartphone, and by war sales numbers, today Android is the world's most popular smartphone platform. um so this is theft i tell you you say i mean you know it back then 17 years it wasn't pretty chunky

designed slide out keyboard uh even had a trackball um but it did introduce android's operating system and the brand new android market for apps um so what made it different was google's decisions to keep android open source and licenseable uh basically letting any manufacturer adopt it uh and that move sparked an explosion of android devices across every re-price point. And if you fast forward to today, by raw sales numbers, raw sales numbers, as said, Android is the world's most popular smartphone, powering billions of phones worldwide. But, you know, obviously the G-1 itself, a clunky little pioneer, but it did kick off a revolution. And the absolute nail in the coffin of BlackBerry.

Like the iPhone started it and Android finished it. yeah yeah definitely you can actually get blackberry devices with android on them these days yeah but it's not really a blackberry though no no it's blackberry is just the hardware it's just got a name on it it's like when you buy a new mini it's designed a BMW it's not a mini cooper or anything you know it's not like an original mini anymore is it it it's just

but it is better in fairness it doesn't matter if it's better it's just like blackberry on And, you know, it's the iconic value. It's like when they relaunched the, um, the beetle. Or, or I tell you what, the, the new electric VW camper van. It's better. It is better. It is better.

The ID, the ID, Buzz. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, but it's just not got the same character. Something. Oh, all right. Granddad. Dear me, was it better in your day? Okay, then.

I mean, this is the only reason I've kept you around for so long, Tom, because, like, you're old and falling apart. There are newer models available of co-hosts. But you still love me. I've got a certain charm about me, right? Yes, exactly. Which is now quickly wearing off. All right, that was this week's. This week in Info. Are you not entertained? What? The judges were. You're listening to Europe's most entertaining content. Bro, what are you talking about, man?

The host unknown podcast. Yeah, I think that is in, it's contestable nowadays. Objection, Your Honor. Sustained. All right, let's move on. It is now time for. Listen up. Rent of the week.

It's sad to mother. rage. So you may have heard on the news about a new digital ID being mandatory for workers in the UK. It's like once in a generation this idea comes around because I seem to recall like 25 years ago exactly this was happening. I was at PEOC and they were talking about we're going to be working with the government to launch an entitlement card. That was under Tony Blair I think and now Kirstama has had the idea. So we're about to get a shiny new mandatory digital ID if we want to continue working.

So no ID, no job, even though, I mean, even amongst the three of us, our faces are surely enough of an ID to get us a job anywhere. But this, and whilst I'm not against him, we were talking about this before the show, I'm not against having an ID card. I don't care. Take my photo, slap it on a card, whatever.

I've got a driving licence, got a passport. What's a third one to carry around me? But apparently, this is a master plan to stop illegal immigration. Because if there's one thing that history has taught us, it's that complex digital systems not only work flawlessly on day one, but are known to put off people who wish to act illegally. So, Mr. Starmer, the Prime Minister, says this will offer countless benefits, which is convenient because he doesn't seem to be counting any of the downsides. Obviously, you've got an infinite number on one side. It doesn't matter how many are on the other side.

We're already grown about, you know, employees are already grown about the amount of red tape. Opposition parties are saying that it's going to trip up law-abiding citizens. And even the Lib Dems are coming in. I mean, they're like, you know, the little one in the gang that just puts in the last kick on the chap on the ground. And Lib Dems are basically shouting, hang on, why do we have to hand over private data just to exist? And it's, this is, this is kind of true in the sense that all it does is make, create more barriers for law-abiding citizens to get jobs, whereas the jobs that were being made available illegally before will continue to be offered illegally.

So what does it do? Maybe it creates a new law or a new sort of legal hurdle that allows for greater punishment in Fafana. Who knows? But you don't have to carry it round with you. It's not like the police can stop you and ask you for your papers, just like the stars.

Not yet, exactly. But just like the Starzy or the Chicago PD is just going to live on your phone, like a contactless card, like Andy's BA gold card and my BA blue card. But nothing says secure like tying your legal right to work to the same device that, well, that Jav plays Candy Crush on and I do serious work on. And actually, you know, might allow you to accidentally click a dodgy WhatsApp link that is going to, you know, give access to your phone. Well, in fair case, Jav's phone because it's an Android.

It won't happen to me or Andy, but we know about this. And then there's this a political cell that this will make it tougher to work illegally. But it doesn't. You know, as I said, if you're offering illegal jobs, you're going to continue to offer illegal jobs. So we're just going to continue to, you know, just another document to provide. in your background check, which is going to be painful. So it doesn't make life easier for us. It's about the government, well, rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic,

I think we use that analogy in the warm up here, while quietly building one of the largest ID databases in the country. Probably, you know, it's significantly large enough in the world as well. and they promise it'll make things like tax, child care and welfare simpler, which is code for a fake, basically, we've already sunk the money, so now we're going to use it for everything. Now, the only example on this is things are, if they can tie it into something like,

is it Estonia with their digital ID and their... Digital citizenship. Digital citizen, thank you. A lot of that seems to be quite effective. That would be the only get-out for this, I think. The only difference is that Estonia, has competent people working there. They're a very small country.

They've always been digital first. And they are very, very competent in how they've implemented a lot of their technology systems. We're going to give the contract to someone like Accenture who's going to go like five years and 17 billion over budget and still deliver something that is no better than a chocolate teapot. Exactly. Exactly. I tell you what, the other really massive system that was successful. We'll give it to the folks who made Horizon.

Anyway, so let's, if this thing is opting, transparent and actually useful, then great. Because if it's opt in and it's useful, people will opt in and you'll get a huge amount of usage. But mandatory for ID, well, that's what my passport is for. And that's what my, you know, right to work is for and all that. So your passport, your driving licence, your national insurance number, all the checks you currently go through with an employer. It's not enough, apparently. Don't count. It's not enough.

That's not convenient. It's just control dressed up as efficiency. So, and then what happens when you need it at the time and your phone is out of battery or the services down? And we've seen that happen before. And then what? You're kind of stuck. When people nick your phone?

Or someone makes your phone, yeah. I mean, again, it's okay if it's an iPhone. If it's an Android, that's problematic. It is the most popular phone in the world, I have, you know. Yeah, I know, because it's cheap and insecure. So here we are. We're at this stage now where if you want to get work in the UK, you're going to have to get another form of ID.

You can have to carry it with you all the time on your phone. Even though you don't have to carry it with you all the time, you will do because it will only exist on your phone. And assuming it's charged and the app hasn't crashed and all that sort of thing. this is how we create secure borders. So, this is the point. Not that I particularly care about secure borders,

because I think immigration's great. This is the point where I step in and disagree with you, Tom. Oh. But this week, I can't because I completely agree with you. Yeah. This is how fascism starts, you know. Well, it carries on. It starts with speed cameras, average speed cameras.

Yeah. In the NWA area of London. Exactly, exactly. And then it needs, you know, it's funny, just a week or two ago, I was talking to someone who lives in Europe and they've got an ID card, like citizen card and whatever, and they're asking, do you have citizens, and shit? I said, we're a very, like, you know,

chilled out progressive country in that regard. We don't believe in, like, you know, that level of mass surveillance. And I said, and they were, and there's someone else there. And I was also like, yeah, and when you're driving, you don't have to carry your driving license and car registration papers with you. You can just, you know, show up at a police station later and give them your records and all that kind of stuff. And they were like, wow, that's really good. And really, I said, yeah.

I said, like, you got bills in your name, you got a passport, you got a driving, you know, that's all you really need. And if your employees really worry, they can do a background check on you. And, uh, are you going to have to phone the book? back now and apologize. Yeah, I think maybe they're the ones that probably said, oh, no, you guys need to do this, but I don't know. It's a shame, it's a shame. I mean, we already have such limited, I'm not limited.

We already have such a lot of surveillance data available anyway. If someone was really, really wanting to cut down on whatever the reasons might be. But this is just like, there's only two reasons now that anything is ever implemented. it's like won't you think of the children or let's stop illegal immigrants because those are the two things that if you disagree with then you hate the country. Let's stop more net contributors to our society into the country. Yep. Exactly. God damn it.

Rant of the week. 30% nostalgic. 30% ranty. 30% balsy and 30% balsy and 30% terrible at maths. You're listening to the award-winning post-Unknown podcast. All right, let's see if I can return

a favor, Jav. So, this week's goes to Peter Thiel, who is part of the, well, the not the Illuminati, what was term that was used for them. I've forgotten the term.

But it's like, sorry? The Twitterati. Is it the Twitterati? Or something like, I can't remember. Anyway, him and mask and a whole bunch of, the PayPal Mafia. That's the one they were. PayPal Mafia, yeah. Yes.

Yes. So they're all a group of former PayPal employees who've then since gone on to form like huge companies like LinkedIn, Palantir, SpaceX, YouTube, and many others, I suppose, that one of you. But Peter Thiel was the CEO and sometimes referred to as the don of the PayPal Mafia. I can't stand PayPal. I can't stand any of these companies. But, you know, if I'm selling on eBay, then I do use PayPal.

Anyway. Yes. The thing with all of these tech billionaire bros is that they seem very good when they're launching a new innovative service. And as long as you just look at the service, it's like, well, you're done well, until they get in front of a camera and they start talking about their beliefs. Open their mouths. And they open their mouths, exactly. And then you suddenly lose complete respect for them. You say, like, what the hell is this person?

about. So Peter Thiel has put a new spin on tech regulation. And he's claiming that regulating AI and technology is literally, pause for a dramatic effect. Let me repeat that. Regulating AI and technology is literally the path to summoning the Antichrist. Seems reasonable. I mean, you go, you know, steps one and two, and step three is obviously the Antichrist. Exactly. He done a couple of podcasts or something recently, and he argued that we chase peace and safety via regulation. We're opening the door to a one world, all-powerful system. The kind of total control that coincidentally becomes the mark of the beast.

Coincidentally. Yeah, yeah. Oh, it just so happens to also be. So if you're following along, he's saying that regulation, which is something that is intended to limit what tech or bad actors can do as the villain. It's basically saying if you're putting in safety nets, you're doing the work of the devil. I mean, that is some next level mental gymnastics going on there. I cannot even keep up with that.

I mean, it should come as no surprise whatsoever that he's got skin in the game. He's deeply invested in AI, biotech surveillance, national security. So he's not like he's just some preacher on his pulpit at his struggling megachurch. He's literally trying to scare people. Which, if you look at America these days, it's a good marketing strategy because everyone's going after the core Christian values and claiming everything is. for the greater good and what have you. I can't think of anything more Billy Big Ballsy than this,

like don't regulate or the Beast wins. I'm getting the impression, Jav, your heart's not in this one. No, I'm just saying how ridiculous it is. Yes, that's my point. Yeah. It's not a Billy Big Bulls, he's a... It's a... It's another rant, I suppose, but.

But you know what, it's got parallels with, do you see this week, like all the, they got like Facebook and Google have sort of said the EU Digital Marketing Act isn't working for them? Yeah. Like, it's too restrictive. Like, you know, all this crap about managing personal data doesn't work for them.

And it's like, you know, the EU's going to suffer as a result. And it's like, oh, that's funny. The one thing you want to profit off. Like with these guardrails in place are preventing you from property of them. I know. I know.

But again, you know, if you're appealing to your base, which in theory is the majority of the US in this instance, then, yeah, let's bring in the Antichrist. Let's basically turn the EU restrictions and regulations into the devil. And there's,

There's your narrative, straight away. Such an easy narrative. So if you listen to other podcasts, other than the hosts and own podcasts, you are summoning the beast. We don't want the rupture to occur. If the more effort you put into increasing the quality, streamlining the publication process of your podcasts, the more you summon the devil. We're just saying.

As people that do that, their mothers probably took parents. seasonal when they were pregnant. Yes, absolutely. Yes, absolutely. Exactly. I mean, you think about it. Was there any studio quality sound during the last supper? No.

Were there any edits? Oh, sorry, let me cut out of that. And, you know, let me just say that again. Fillet words, no, it was raw. It was from the heart. Unedited, absolutely. I mean, we're just asking the questions, right? Yeah.

We're just asking the questions. we have no skin in the game and there was obviously the betrayal at the table like you know nothing wrong with a bit of betrayal it was no

it's biblical so it must be all right yes must be all right and on that note thank you Jeff Billy Big Balls of the week who prefer other security podcasts are statistically more likely to eject USB devices safely. For those who live life dangerously, you're in good company with the award-winning host-unknown podcast.

And since we've been talking about the end of times, Andy, what time is it? It is at time at the show where we head over to our news sources over at the Infosec. PA Newswire who have been very busy bringing us the latest and greatest security news from around the globe. Industry News Jaguar Land Rover extends production pause again.

Industry News Deep fate attacks hit two-thirds of businesses. Industry News. Cell tower hacking gear seized ahead of UN General Assembly. Industry News Vegas gambling giants hit by cyber incidents employee data exposed Industry News

NCA Arrest Manor's Hardbit Ransomware blamed for airport outages Industry News Experts warn of global breach risk from Indian suppliers Industry News Co-op records 206 million pound revenue loss following cyber Industry news. Chinese hackers use brick storm backdoor to breach US firms. Industry news.

Malicious AI agent server reportedly steals emails. Industry news. And that was this week's. Industry news. Huge. Huge. Huge. Do you know what's interesting?

what's interesting is M&S said it cost them, what, $408 million to recover from their revenue loss from their cyber attack, something like that, which just goes to show that M&S is reassuringly expensive. It is. So M&S actually had a larger insurance policy that actually had larger coverage than any other retailers. They were abnormally high for their industry. in terms of the level of coverage.

Because this isn't just any insurance coverage. This isn't just any insurance coverage. No, this is. And next you're going to tell me that they only took out the coverage three months ago. No, they have always been, so I've heard, they have always been very good at maintaining coverage. But they are generally higher than other retailers and always have been. So I think, you know, they sort of understood what the insurance was for. And talking of cyber insurance,

one company that didn't quite manage it. Ooh, JLR. Oh, man. That's expensive, isn't it? Come on. Come on. Even back 10 years ago, I was working at companies

that had cyber insurance coverage. It's kind of like a... You could forgive them if it was 10 years ago almost. Do you know what I mean? It just wasn't that common. But now, really? So it was just...

So it was the financial times I'm just looking back at the source Yeah the FT On 24th of September So yeah A couple days ago They estimate that if JLR are not up and running Before November

It's going to hit their revenue For 3.5 billion pounds Which is 1.3 billion in gross profits That's got to be the entire company That's got to be the entire company Isn't it? Well I don't Well, I don't know.

See, and that's JLR. What they're not talking about is the knock-on impact they've got to all these smaller suppliers who make, you know, little panels or LED light or something that they've not been able to produce and bill and ship anything for weeks. And some of those are like, you know, they have very tight margins.

Apparently the government's going to step in for those, aren't they? They're going to start. Well, the government's been, they're being asked to step in. They've not agreed. I thought they were formulating plans, but maybe I got that wrong. But with JLR down, I mean, what about the rest of the superhero groups that aren't covered, like the JLA? I mean, are they going to be able to operate after this? I don't know. I have to ask James Gunn.

Exactly, right? Exactly. What else have we got? Oh, the Cell Tower Hacking Gear seized ahead of the UN General. assembly have you seen the pictures of this no absolutely it like a USB key is it like something really like some like some no it's massive or not like room massive but it fills the the room it's in with hundreds and thousands of cell phones and oh I'm looking at it now oh yes I have seen that picture yes yes it's quite quite impressive and yet all they were able to do was mess an auto queue up and stop an

an escalator Although, did you see it was actually one of Trump's own camera team that triggered the escalator? Oh, really? And it was Trump's guys who are plugged into the UN's auto queue system. They were using the White House auto queue. Brilliant. And there was nothing wrong with the sound either.

Because that was his third complaint. Some people need to get fired for that. Yeah. He actually said there needs to be a full investigation and someone needs to be fired. I'd like, really? Yeah, maybe your team. So, oh, well.

Anyway, before we lose any more of our American listeners. Well, I'm trying to think you were at Gartner on Monday, oh, this week, won't you, Tom? Yeah, yes. This deep fake attacks hit two-thirds of businesses. I know there was a lot of old content rehashed at the Gartner forum. Is this the new sort of, like, headline grabbing? Are there actually any evidences of deepfakes costing businesses? There's hardly, there's a few instances where there's like that video deep fake

one for that Hong Kong guy. I still maintain that guy was in on it. There's no one that is so dumb that they would be for. I don't think he was in on it. I think he was covering himself. So there's that. But there's been over the last couple of years some audio deepfake claims. But then there's no artefact.

you can examine afterwards to say like whether that was or wasn't. It's not like the call is recorded or anything like that. The call is never recorded, right? That's the weird thing. And yet I know all of my calls at work, everything's recorded. This is again where people are just going after the wrong thing. It doesn't matter whether something is a deep fake or not. The fact is it's a con.

It's a scam. It's maybe a good voice actor. It's whatever. You know, it doesn't matter. You should have processes in place that could prevent someone from just saying, oh, my CEO asked me to buy 10 grand worth of gift cards. Let me go and scratch him off and send him this, all the list on this new phone number he's given me. That's where your breakdown occurs.

Deep fake is always going to be used and what have you. And, you know, I can only assume that this is just peddled by some, you know, researcher or some vendor that's got a steep take. Detection. Deep tape. Yeah, detection and protection and software. It's like, fix your processes. That's really what it is.

Yeah. Yeah. Yes, very depressing, I guess. But let's move on from there, shall we? Time is ticking. That was this week's. Industry News. The host unknown podcast, orally delivering the warm and fuzzy feeling you get when you pee yourself.

And talking to someone who looked like they were peeing themselves last night in that plunge pool, Andy, why don't you take us home with this week's? Tweet of the Week. We always play that one twice. Tweet of the Week. And this week's tweet of the week Is a visual one Which Tom is very helpfully

Yeah sorry At Somby Look on the show notes And have a look So if you know your meme This one is the How Did You Get Like That Meme Or also known

The buff guy is one push-up meme And so essentially It's a big buff guy And you know A smaller person comes up to them and says Wow how did you get like that. And he says, every time Cisco has a CVE, I do one push-up. And the end one is, Jesus Christ. But that's how we got so buff. So it's a visual tweet, but you get it with a

narrative. You can get it. You work it out. Click the link. See it. Just do a search for it. We were struggling this week. What can I say? Yeah. Excellent. Thank you for this week's We have collapsed at the finishing line of the show. Thank you, gentlemen. Wow, the clock says 43 minutes. We've been, we've blazed through this at massive speed, and both of you seem so engaged that you'll read in other emails on your devices. So thank you, Jav, for your time this week.

Appreciate your wit wisdom, candor, charm, And charisma, did I say that one already? You're doubly charismatic this week, thank you. And agreeing with your views this week, which I'm, which has, I think if, if anything, you want to use anything as a measure of the rupture, I think that should be it, like us to being in agreement. The rapture, not the rupture. Whatever.

The rupture was what Andy had last night in that plunge pool. The T-Boo rapture. We can't afford it. Also, I'm so... We have rapture at home. Also, I'm so glad that I had headphones in when I played that video. Because I'm never sure what Andy's going to send on a video. And I'm so glad.

Especially when it says view once. View once. Oh, my God. So let's put headphones in, go into a quiet room when no one's around. Have a cup of calm in camemile first. Yeah, yeah. It could be the most. messed up stuff ever. It could be some juicy gossip. It could be. I don't know what it could

be. Yeah. Or just naked videos of him getting into a cold bath. He wasn't completely naked, unfortunately. But, you know, he was in my mind. Anyway, thank you, Jam. And Andy, thank you. Stay secure, my friends. Stay secure. You've been listening to The Host Unknown Podcast. If you enjoyed what you heard, comment and subscribe. If you hated it, please leave your best insults on our Reddit channel. Worst episode ever. R-slash-smashing security.

Oh, finally made it to the end. Now you two can fuck off. Oh, dear. Yeah. And it's fine because our audience won't hear that for another three weeks. if that if that but it'll be the last thing they're here

because there's no other episode since this one no yet exactly