The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - 3 CVille Non-Profits "Serving" Homeless Shelter; BRACH, The Haven, PACEM Want To Run Shelter

Episode Date: March 30, 2026

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See if you can connect Twitter. Welcome to the I Love Seville Show, guys. My name is Jerry Miller, and thank you kindly for joining us on a Monday afternoon. It's an absolute pleasure to connect with you guys through the watercooler of content and conversation, the I Love Seville Show. We encourage you, the viewer and listener, to share your ideas, share your thoughts, share your talking points. And if you think there's something, a talking point or a story that would make a good subject for this show, send it our way. nearly on a daily basis do we crowdsource content from you, the viewer, and listener.

We crowdsource it from people we trust that we vetted that are reasonable and reliable and practical and consistent with their thinking. But we want to do that. We don't want to originate the content. We want to be the water cooler of the content. That's the whole game plan of the show. We'll take care of that after the show, J-D-UPS.

Thank you. This shows a lot of it. perfect example. There's a gentleman that watches the program that goes by the nickname The Fixer. And the fixer is someone I've known for some time. He's extremely well-connected locally, and he's someone I've worked alongside with a client or two that has helped fix problems locally for people. One of my clients a handful of years ago got into some trouble. And And the trouble was really no fault of his own, but it was taken out of proportion by folks in Charlottesville that embody selective outcry and selective outrage. That selective outcry and selective outrage percolated on the Dregs of Society, the Charlottesville subreddit, where I am now three for three, three or for the last three days, been mentioned Jerry Miller on the Charlottesville subreddit.

I would like to go four for four, so please mention Charlestful subreddit for I Love Seaville or Jerry Miller today. And my client came to me and said, I got an issue. I said, I can help you solve it. And one of the folks we brought in was The Fixer who acted in conjunction with my firm to figuring out this issue for my client. The Fixer sent me a text message on Friday about the houseless and homeless shelter. And he pointed out a talking point that I think needs to. to be covered on the show. We have this Taj Mahal,

this Hilton, this Waldorf Historia of a homeless shelter that's being planned on holiday drive. Lost in the cost, lost in the ridiculously low bed count, do we even

call them beds? I think it should probably start calling them cots. The video seems a little choppy. Are you doing stuff on that computer? No, it just. be good. All right. Lost in all that discussion is the fact that there's three non-profits that are associating or attaching their non-profit models to this homeless shelter that's going to be funded by taxpayer dollars. Those three nonprofits are BRAC, the Blue Ridge Area Coalition

for the Homeless, the Haven, and Patcham. I'm going to have to look up with the acronym Pacham stands for. It's the people and congregations engaged in ministry. Three non-profits for one homeless shelter, three executive directors for one homeless shelter, case managers from both, from all three nonprofits for one homeless shelter, three boards of directors for one homeless shelter, three sets of staffs, three sets of staffs. for one homeless shelter, three cooks in the kitchen for one homeless shelter. The fixer sends a text message to me on Friday. I always consider what he has to say closely.

And he says, why if your Charlottesville taxpayers would you allow city council, the city manager, who, let's cut to the chase, we are funding their salary. Our money is what makes Charlottesville run. why would we allow three nonprofits to associate or attach their nonprofit business models to a shelter that is supposed to help people that are in need? Why would we allow three executive directors to be paid by a homeless shelter and tax dollars? Case managers for three different nonprofits, staff for three different nonprofits, boards of directors for three different nonprofits. Why wouldn't we just scream pick one city council and tell the other two to hit the road, Jack, or pick one and tell the other two to roll their nonprofit status into the one you select?

These nonprofits are on bended knee every single year at budget time, begging counsel for money, taxpayer resources. Every single year, the Haven, Patcham, the Blue Ridge Area Coalition for the whole, homeless, goes to council and local government and asks government for our tax resources to fund their executive director positions and their staff salaries. Look at, it's public record, it is public record. Look at the salaries associated with the executive directors at Patchum, Blue Ridge Area Coalition for the homeless and the Haven. Look at the salaries associated with nonprofits in Charlottesville. Nonprofits in Seaville, this is the epicenter for nonprofits.

Charlottesville. Why? Because we got a lot of rich people out there. And the folks running these nonprofits, the executive directors in particular, are earning hundreds of thousands of dollars and income, pomp and circumstance, benefit, and perks. We'll talk about that on the program today. As a 200-unit homeless shelter is now down to 80, and that homeless shelter is now going to run taxpayers nearly $20 million, if not more. And remember, every day that goes by, that shelter becomes more expensive. On today's program, we are going to talk about Virginia Republicans who are looking to cut the gas tax. It's roughly 32 cents.

Republicans, Virginia Republicans say, look, let's give the fine folks of the Commonwealth a break at the pump. And for 90 days, what if we just say there's no Virginia tax? on gasoline. Let's see how Virginia Democrats respond to this strategy that Republicans are trying to roll out for a brief 90-day period of time. What's interesting is midterm elections are literally right around the corner. And you would hate to think that one party is trying to make life more difficult on households across the country, as a talking or leverage point to drive voter engagement.

You would hate to think that hardship on Americans and hardship on Virginians and hardship on Central Virginians and Almore County and Charlottesvillians is a focal point or a priority because that hardship can be utilized to drive people to voter booths in their respective communities. That's nasty, a nasty side of politics. And you wonder if that's happening.

And speaking on gerrymandering, down to weeks, Judah. Weeks on the gerrymandering referendum. What do you think, viewers and listeners, is this going to pass? You see every Tom, Dick, and Harry as a pitchman or spokesman for gerrymandering or against redistricting, whatever your bailiwick is. Barack Obama is one of the most active pitchmen of redistricting or gerrymandering. He is everywhere and anywhere pitching redistricting. or gerrymandery. Tom Perrello, the former congressman representing the 5th District,

he was out at the No King's protest this weekend. The No Kings protest is the 2026 version of the hippie movement. And I'm not trying to throw shade on the hippies, and I'm not trying to throw shade at the boomers that are a part of the No King's movement on Route 29. But it's very clear that this No King's movement has an average age that is boomer and one-time hippie with its engagement. We'll talk about that on the program today. And we also talk school resource officers. That petition to remove school resource officers from Charlottesville Public Schools is, well, folks, gaining momentum. The amount of signatures the petition secured was a paltry, pathetic and sad amount.

yet despite that paltry, pathetic and sad amount, Charlottesville Public Schools are discussing removing SROs from hallways and from learning centers. Make it make sense. So much to cover on the program today, we encourage you, the viewer, and listener to join us in the discussion. Share the show. We work hard for you.

The only thing we ask and return is you like and share the show. Like and share the show. Judah Wickcar, I'd love to give some attention to Charlottesville Sanitary Supply. 62 years in business. We're going to see John and Andrew Vermillion tomorrow morning. I'm excited to see the Vermillion men. Their families, five-generation strong at Almore County, and they've run Charlottesville Sanitary Supply as a family business for 62 years. They have an online store, Charlottesville Sanitary Supply.com, that will get you anything sanitary or cleaning related, anything swimming pool related, anything hardwood floors,

Bona related, anything vacuum-related, delivered to your door. step oftentimes the same day at price points that beat everyone and they have a swimming pool company which you could find online at Charlottesville swimming pool company.com who should be your first choice your first call whether it's above ground pool in-ground pool construction of swimming pools water testing pool robots pool covers the Miller family out in Elmore County my family utilizes Charlottes Charlottes swimming pool in its backyard that basket basketball game yesterday. Did you watch it?

I'm not going to spend too much time on this. This is more of a topic of the Jerry and Jerry show, which is tomorrow at 10.15 a.m. with Virginia Sports Hall of Famer Jerry Rackleaf. Brayland Mullins, the freshman from Yukon. It's a 35-foot

buzzer beater from downtown to send Duke and John Shire and the boozer boys out of the NCAA tournament. That contest from start to finish was a gambit of emotions. It was the lowest of lows for Yukon fans and the highest of highs for Duke Blue Devil fanatics.

And by the end of the game, there were men and women in this crying in this country, cheering, celebrating, screaming, experiencing joy and bliss that few experiences life offer. And then there were men and women that were wallowing and crying and cursing and just down on their luck. It's what college basketball is all about. What we saw in that Duke and Yukon game would never happen in the NBA. The smaller boozer in the NBA, had he been in the NBA, would have held that basketball, would have gone to the free throw line for two shots, and Duke would have won. but in college basketball you have an 18-year-old

in a pressure-packed situation and that 18-year-old made a mistake that he will remember for the rest of his life and unfortunately for him it will follow him for the rest of his life and fortunately for Yukon fans they are now in the final four Danny Hurley on the sideline is a maniac

absolute mania from Danny Hurley but his team embodies his mindset and they are never to be counted out of a ballgame. My wife's a Yukon fan. We watched that contest with our two boys. It was, I watched her cussing and cursing and screaming at the television screen in the first half and I watched her basically close to tears

at the end of the game, celebrating happiness and bliss with her husband and her two sons and Max the family German Shepherd. It's special in a moment I won't forget. And that's what March Madness is all about. Judah Wickauer's studio camera, two shot. I'm going to try to put this in perspective for you, J-Dubs.

Okay? And then I'm going to ask you about the three nonprofits that are attached to this, okay? I did an analysis, a deal flow analysis on the Cavalier Crossing deal. and the homeless shelter deal. You could find that on the I Love Seville Network, any of the Facebook or Instagram or social media pages.

In a nutshell, Cavalier Crossing closed in May of 2024, Northern Virginia firm paid $20.5 million for it. They're putting a million dollars into capital improvement that takes you to $21.5 million. $21.5 million. That $21,500,000 gets you $144 apartment buildings and 520 actual bedrooms, 14.55 acres, a swimming pool, a clubhouse, a sports court, a gymnasium, a dog park, and a massive parking lot.

I'm going to take that 21,500,000 and divide it by 520 bedrooms and ask you to write this number down. It works out to be 41,000 per bedroom, rounding to 41K, $41,000 per bedroom, okay? The flip side of that is what local government is doing on holiday drive. 6.2 million to purchase an empty 27,000 square foot office building. Another $9 to $14 million to remodel, renovate, and upfitted into an homeless shelter. That's going to include 80 cots, not bedrooms, but 80 cots. I think that $20 million when it's all said and done is going to be light, because that's today's estimate.

That's not an estimate based on construction remodeling. That's two years from now. And we haven't seen the inflationary pressures of escalated oil yet, folks. You think you've seen it because you're paying more money to put gas in your family Ford Explorer. And we're all feeling it from $279 a gallon to about $4 a gallon. But the true inflationary pressure associated with escalated oil has not been felt. Hasn't been felt by the consumer because the farmers haven't brought. brought it yet to us with crops, with cattle.

Grocery prices still haven't been felt. Handsome Hank Martin made this case. Building housing, the cost of housing, everything tied to housing construction is associated with oil, petroleum, gas, and some kind of capacity. Shipping the materials, the materials and how they're made, the construction crews getting there, the heavy equipment running it, the gasoline needed for the everything with housing. So I think that $20 million is like, but that's... That's the number I'm going to use right now.

So I'm going to take $20 million. Write that down, Judah. And I'm going to divide it by 80. And I'm going to get $250,000 per cot. So hear me out. And then we'll offer some commentary. Cavalier Crossing apartments purchased by a Northern Virginia real estate investment trust in May of 2024 is how much per bedroom? Like these are bedrooms.

42K? $42,000. City Hall. What is it? 41k. 41,000. City Hall is doing it itself on Holiday Drive.

It bought a 27,000 square foot empty office building, and it's going to bring cots, not even bedrooms, but just like a Coleman cot in an area. Are you sure about that? Yeah, yeah. They're not 80 bedrooms.

There's going to be different sleeping arrangements, sleeping quarters, because there's going to be like I don't know my gender sleeping quarter. I'm unable to identify by gender, so I need a room to sleep in where I feel comfortable. There's going to be a women's corridors, a family's quarters, a male quarters.

And thank God they're doing this, because this is a low barrier shelter where there's not accountability standards for engagement here. So there are corridors, but there's not 80 bedrooms here. It's important to emphasize. And those 80 cots spread over sleeping corridors are $250,000 a cot. So I'm going to ask you, the viewer and listening to this question. question. Why does the, and these two projects are about two miles apart, three miles apart. You got one off the bypass, you got the other one down Fifth Street extended, both of them in the urban ring.

Why does one project cost $41,000 a bedroom, run $41K a bedroom, and the other one runs $250K a bedroom? That was my analysis on the I-Lubell network that got a lot of people talking. And it's interesting. When I start talking numbers in the homeless, when I start talking tax dollars and the cost per bed, immediately the selective outrage is you have no empathy, Jerry. You have no empathy. It's always about money with you, you capitalistic pig. That's what it's always with me. And I should respond. I don't respond to all the comments because I have things I'd rather do like spending a Saturday morning on an Easter egg hunt with my two sons and my wife. It was a wonderful time. are watching my wife in absolute bliss as Yukon beat Duke.

I'm not going to respond to all the comments. I don't have the time to do it. Okay. But I'm just going to do a collective response on this network with my platform here. Do you know what is empathy, Judah? Do you know what is patience, Judah? I do. Do you know what is empathy and kindness?

Is realizing that when you spend 20, million, this might even get the 30 million, might be more than 30 million on a homeless shelter for 80 homeless people. It's money that comes from families in Charlottesville and Almar County that are on the financial margin. And for us to take money away from families in Almaro and Charlestville that are struggling to pay their bills while working 60 to 70 to 80 hours a week as a family and to give it to folks that are not working in Charlottesville and Almar County. That is not empathy. That is disgrace. And that's going to catch heat. I'll catch heat from that. And I hope I can go four for four on the Charlottesville subreddit. I have not had a mention today. I was mentioned

yesterday on Sunday. I was mentioned on Saturday and I was mentioned on Friday. Okay? but taking money from families on the financial margin that are working and struggling to feed their children and giving that money to folks that are not working, that is not empathy. That is disgrace. Okay. And that's what's happening here. So I want to understand, Judah, and we'll weave you in on the program here,

why $41,000 for Bonaventure, the Northern Virginia firm, with their purchase of Cavalier Crossing, 41,000 a bedroom, and Charlottesville City, we're talking not even two years later, like 18 months later, that number is $250,000 per Coleman cot. I have some answers,

but I've spoken now for 26 straight minutes, and I want the viewers and listeners and the ladies, he's single and ready to mingle to hear your voice, J-DOPS. Well, I don't know if your assessment is in, entirely fair. The Holiday Drive shelter is

not just meant to be apartments and I don't know if the... Holiday Drive shelter was never meant to be apartments. Right. That's what I said. Yeah. Wouldn't you say an apartment is more significant for housing than a cot in a shared room?

Yeah. Okay. Go ahead. I want to make sure I'm clear on that. because the firm from Northern Virginia is getting apartments and bedrooms at 41,000 per bedroom, where the homeless on holiday drive are getting cots and shared rooms at $250,000 a cot. Yeah, I mean, they're building more than just a bunch of rooms, right? Oh, and you're about to make my argument for me. Go ahead. I'm not sure what we're arguing. I mean, I don't see it.

I think the numbers are off. They're not just building beds. And so to say that it's, you know, X amount for each bed seems a little bit disingenuous. Okay. Then I'll respond by saying this. Well, with the Cavalier Crossing, the $41,000 per bedroom, they also got 14.55 acres versus the 3.5 acres on Holiday Drive. With the Cavalier Crossing purchase, they also got a clubhouse, sports, court, swimming pool, dog park, gymnasium, office space, and conference rooms, and

structured buildings. Okay. So if we're just saying it's not just bedroom to bedroom or cot to bedroom, that there's other pomp and circumstance involved, there's way more pomp and circumstance involved with Cavalier Crossing. I'm going to cut to the chase what the real issue here is viewers and listeners, and this is what the fixer sent to me. You have three nonprofits.

three nonprofits, ladies and gentlemen, that are trying to ride the teat or suck the teat of local taxpayers in government. You have the Blue Ridge Area Coalition for the Homeless. You have Patcham, the people and congregations engaged in ministry. And you have the haven that are all trying to get a slice of this cake. That's three boards of directors, three sets of boards, Bimmers per nonprofit, board directors per nonprofit, three executive directors and six-figure salaries, case managers, staff, the whole, Kent and Caboodle. Why, if your city council, Sam Sanders, anyone tied to City Hall, shouldn't you better say, shouldn't you better say, I want one nonprofit running this, or better yet,

why don't you say the Haven and Patcham, why don't you roll into the Blue Ridge Area, a coalition of the homeless and make one really strong organization where you can cherry pick your best talent from all three organizations and form one super nonprofit. Why is that conversation not being had? Why are we allowing three different nonprofits to suck the teat of taxpayers in City Hall here, driving up the cross and having three different hens in the henhouse? That's what I want to know. Judah Wickhauer, then viewers and listeners, put your comments in the feed and I will relay them live on air.

So is it official that BRACH, the Haven, and Pacham are now running the shelter? All three of them currently, and the presentation that was made last week to council, have a role in the shelter or angling for a role in the shelter, yes. Okay, because I thought we were still looking for someone to... You must not have watched that YouTube video in totality, or read the transcript in totality, did you? I did not read the whole transcript in totality. Okay, so explain it to me. We're no longer looking for someone to run the...

There's three of them now. I know that. I saw the groups. There's more than three groups that were on that panel. Yeah, there's three of them that are now trying to angle a corner of the market here with the holiday drive. You should read, when the show's over, you should read that transcript. I spent time this week in reading. And, in fact, I thought that was part of what I asked you to do before the show on Thursday, was to read that transcript.

I mean, I... You glazed at it. Yeah, I mean, I didn't have time to read the whole thing before the show. I would read. It's very simple. It's done with YouTube. You can read it quickly. There's three of them that are now angling to be a part of that homeless shelter.

Okay. It's wild. All right. I, I, I, this is not, I'm choosing my words carefully now. What is the word tied to? It's not the word that starts with C and ends with, eruption that's happening here. It's, what's the word?

It's just bloat. Adding insult to injury, it's like, when you get folks that are running stuff that aren't tied to business, why would we think it's a good idea to have three of them tied to one shelter? It's not corruption.

Is this just the way? Is that what it is? Viewers and listeners, let us know your thoughts. Put them in the feet. I will relay I'm live on it. Philip Dow says that sounds like fraud to me. Not sure fraud is the right word either. What is the word I'm looking for here, viewers and listeners?

If the fixer is watching the program, let me know what the word is, the fixer. Vanessa Parkills watching the show, and she's Pittsburgh across the board with her fandom, PSU, Penn State, the Steelers, Pittsburgh Penguins and the Pirates. and she loved the Yukon and Duke game last night. She said it was an absolutely great game. What's the word I'm looking for? Handsome Hank Martin, what's the word that I'm looking for? Diane Garrison, welcome to the program.

Ellen Adams, thank you for watching the show. Diane Garrison, happy Monday to you as well. Hank Martin says, one would think that with three nonprofits serving the homeless with potentially 28 congregations impact, facilitating the homeless, and now three, Brack, the Haven, and patch them, plus the financial resources already being funneled into this project.

Can we not, can we not therefore say enough is enough? If you cannot resolve an enabling issue with this many sources, you never will. What are your thoughts, viewers and listeners? Judah, what are your thoughts? Yeah, I think it's going to be rough having three different groups all, you know, trying to do their own thing in one crazy venture. John Blair says, I still go back to the point that the city manager and staff made a proposal with the Salvation Army on Cherry Avenue. I never heard what the major flaws were with that plan, except the NIMBYism with the shelter on Cherry Avenue.

That was the extent of it. Juan Diego Wade and Sam Sanders were lamb-based in a town hall setting with the shelter proposal on Cherry Avenue and the Salvation Army site. and the NIMBY's in Fifeville and in the prospect neighborhood specifically utilized this. They said, of course you're going to put a homeless shelter, a low barrier shelter, and a historically black community. Have you not done enough to these communities already? That's what they utilized as an leverage to oppose the shelter on Cherry Avenue. Of course you're going to do this to us.

haven't you done enough damage to these communities already? And Sam Sanders and Wandaika Wade and local government backed away from doing it on Cherry Avenue. That was the argument that was made. Is that Nimbism? Or is that selective Nimbism? I mean, is that selective outcry? No, you could call it Nimbiasm, but, I mean, seriously, there's nobody in Charlottesville that's going to want a, a shelter in their neighborhood.

A low barrier shelter right next door, especially not to a park where kids play. I mean, I honestly don't think there would ever be a problem, but come on. Try to do that in any neighborhood, and they're going to say, no thanks. Curtis Shaver responds to Vanessa Parkhill in the comment section, and she says, Curtis Shaver says,

Vanessa Parkhill, the pirates are going to win their division this year. Curtis Shaver, it was a big time. Pirates, Pittsburgh Pirates fan. Vanessa Parkhill, three nonprofits are being funded because government rarely focuses on efficiencies and cost effectiveness. Neil Williamson has this question.

What is the percentage of the un-house that are actually working? I don't have that answer. I don't know that answer. I don't know that answer, Neil. I would like to know that answer. I'm curious of your take, Neil Williamson, and what you're, of Brack, the Haven, and Patcham, all trying to get a piece of

the holiday drive shelter. What is your take on that? We should get him on the show. Hank Martin says the description you seek is institutionalized begging. Describing the aggressive and constant fundraising techniques, nonprofits must use to survive. Institutionalize begging. I like that. I might utilize that moving forward. Institutionalize begging. Handsome Hank Martin, you make the program better. I like that. All right. So that's the talking point on this topic for the day. It's $41,000 per bedroom at Cavalier Crossing and $250,000 per cot at the holiday drive shelter. Back of the napkin numbers that are very accurate right there for you, the viewer and listener. Next topic, Judah, what do you got?

Let's see. Next up, we've got the attempt to cut gas tax. This seems like a no-brainer. to me, right? Yeah. You want to set the stage? A group of Virginia Republicans are trying to reach an arm across, trying to reach a hand across the aisle and get a consensus on cutting the gas tax, the Virginia gas tax, which sits at 32 cents per gallon. They want to cut it for now for 90 days to help obviously. everyone in Virginia.

I'm going to have a, and this is going to be a very uncomfortable conversation. Okay, he's a very uncomfortable conversation. Are you ready? If Virginia Democrats don't back Virginia Republicans and cutting the gas tax for 90 days and saving Virginians $0.32 a gallon at the pump, are we to believe that hardship is a political leverage point to drive voter engagement?

Are we to believe that economic hardship struggles with American families, Virginian families, Central Virginia families, Elmore County and families, Charlottesvillian families? Hardship is a tool to get people to vote. I said this on the show throughout the pandemic.

I said throughout the pandemic, COVID is a ploy. a political ploy to drive voter engagement. With the benefit of hindsight, now we realize that it was incredibly mismanaged. And whether you're Democrat, Republican, libertarian, Southern Baptist, Jewish, atheists, agnostic, you've got to be an agreement now that COVID was horribly managed. And it was exploited to drive voter engagement. engagement first. Are we seeing the red-headed stepchild of that behavior in 2026? Are we seeing the

red-headed stepchild of that pandemic behavior right now? 32-cent gas tax, why wouldn't this be fast-track for all of us? Yeah. Why wouldn't we do that? Is it to one party's benefit to have hardship in America to drive an engagement mid-term? I would guess that that's often true of both sides. Perfect segue into the gerrymandering headline. If you put that on screen and we can float back and forth. How many weeks left do we have left with the gerrymandering redistricting vote? I think it's roughly three.

Three weeks here. On the spot for three. Crystal balls have gerrymanding redistricting being approved or disapproved, Judah? I think the referendum is generally thought. to it's looking like it's going to be approved. I've said from day one I thought I was going to be approved. People that I trust and respect, example, Philip Reese, highlight a poll from VPAP that says,

Not so fast, my friends. Is the redistricting, gerrymandering referendum going to be greenlit? Is it going to be approved? Regardless of your affiliation, shouldn't voters pick politicians instead of politicians picking other politicians? picking other politicians. Seems like common sense to me.

I respect Don Gathers tremendously. He said on one of our previous shows a week ago, no, Virginia has to do this to try to counter the nuclear bomb that Texas is doing on America. Yeah. Every must blame somebody else that did something that is the reason why we have to do this

or we should do this or it's it gets a little tiring, I think, for me listening to both sides, try to make excuses for what they want to do. And, you know, when you look around for a reason to do something, you're probably going to find it. You know, if you want to do something, don't make excuses. Just do it. Philip Dow in Scottsville said that the homeless shelter where there's three nonprofits angling for a slice of the cake. He called it fraud. And Philip, to your point in Scottsville, Barbara Becker-Tilly agrees with you and says, that sounds like fraud to her as well.

Hague Martin called it institutionalized begging. That's my favorite description so far. And in regards to the 32 cent gas tax and reducing it or cutting it for 90 days, that should be, it should be a sprint to approve that. I mean, Spanberger ran on making Virginia affordable. So, yeah, it would seem like a no-brainer.

Unless you don't want to give credit to someone else because somebody else thought of it, which is, you know, again, a poor excuse. Deep Throat watching the program. Deep Throat's photo on screen. He's got a couple of comments that we're going to get to. He says, the NGO blob is the real problem. It's a way that governments insulate themselves from accountability. Don't do the work yourself where people can FOIA Freedom of Information Act request and find out what is. going on. Instead, give the money

out to nonprofits to do the work which are free of oversight and accountability. Bonus points if you're funding a nonprofit that might be your landing pad when you get voted out of government. And he goes, I'm talking to you, Dave Norris.

Dave Norris, the executive director of the Carr Foundation. He's a friend of the show, but he has hopped around from a lot of nonprofits after being a Charlottesville City Councilor and mayor of Charlottesville. Deep Throat also adds this. They are not just building cots, they are building, but they are building to serve this community. We have 200 homeless at any given time, many of whom would do just fine in a high barrier

situation. So how much are we spending on this low barrier population? It is still going to be like 200K per client. My back of the napkin is 250K. If you kept 20 million divided by 80 cots, de-throw continues. To say nothing of the 3 million a year to operate. and that $3 million is the key. The homeless are a gold mine. $3 million for jobs for nonprofits. Lloyd Snook, those are deep throats words. Lloyd Snook said the, do we still have the Lloyd Snook sizzle reel,

the $3 to $4 million? I believe I do. Can you queue that up? Yep, ready to go. Two-term Charlottesville City Councilor, this is what he said at the meeting last week. He said it was $3 to $4 million to operate it. How long is that clip?

I don't have the exact number right here. Oh, wait, here it is. That's fantastic, Judah. You're doing great work. I know I'm having you adapt. Thank you. Excellent work. So here's Lloyd Snook last week talking about the yearly costs to operate this homeless shelter.

Cue that up in three, two, one. One of the broader questions, aside from the capital cost, is whether this whole thing is going to be sustainable on an ongoing basis. I remember seeing estimates of, I remember the page. came through somewhere around three or four million dollars a year expected. Where would that money be expected to come from? That's a great question. We don't know. We're hoping to talk with other localities, governments, just like we're presenting to you all today.

This is not the last conversation we're going to have with local government about this, but we will be relying on a number of different funding streams to fund this. I mean, as it is right now, I don't know where you all get your money. So I don't know whether those sources are expandable or or or whether you're going to end up saying, oh, gee, I'm going to have to ask the city for that $3 million. That's a two-term city counselor, a two-term city counselor and former mayor of Charlottesville. That is a businessman that is a defense attorney owns a law practice with his wife. owns commercial real estate literally down the hall from when I'm sitting.

It was in the Greenbrier neighborhood saying it's going to be $3 to $4 million a year to operate this shelter and where's the money coming from. That's the real cost. You figure that $3 to $4 million a year escalates at what kind of percentage point? 5 to 10% every year escalated costs. Think about that.

Let's say it's $3 million in year one. what is it 3,150,000 in year two with a 5% escalator that 5% compounds every year what are you going to have in the first

the first five years it's going to cost more in the first five years to manage it than buying the land and building it out yeah maybe in the first four years four or five years everyone should be outraged

here and I'm going to I hope I'm four for four on Reddit today. I haven't been mentioned today on the Charlottesville subreddit. Taking money from working families in Charlottesville and Almar County that are struggling to pay their bills, yet working their ass off, and giving that money to people that are not working, that is not empathy. That is disgrace. And that's how you take working families and push them out of their homes. That's what that is.

That's how you gentrify communities even more. Deep Throat's last point on the gas tax. He says crude and refined product supply has been cut by the war. Demand needs to be destroyed to balance the market. The way that works is that prices go up so that economic agents consume less. If every jurisdiction cuts gas taxes, demand does not get destroyed. So prices have to go up even more. the right approach is to cut other taxes, not the tax on gas, cut the sales tax on food,

cushion the blow on people while allowing the energy market to equilibrate the way it is supposed to. Here's what he's saying in a nutshell, very simple terms. One of my few talents is just putting things, is communicating succinctly. He's saying if you make gas more affordable, people will pump more gas in their car. and if they pump more gas in their car at a time when supplies constrain, then the price of the gas is going to go up even more. And since we have a cut of the tax temporarily, we wouldn't see the results of what we were doing until the 90 days are up

and all of a sudden we get hit with a massive upswing. Instead, what he's saying is you should cut the tax on like the meals tax. Yeah. How do you cut the meals tax, though, if you need $20.5 million for the homeless shelter? I heard through the Great Vine today, and I'm not going to say who, and I'm not going to say what brand. But downtown Charlottesville is about to lose a significant tenant. That's too bad. Found out today in a phone call this morning.

City Hall doesn't even know about it yet. All right. Next topic. We have a 130 meeting here. We got a financier coming here at 1.30 p.m. And what I do not want to do is have the studio camera on when this person comes into this office at 1.30 p.m. Are we on the same page there?

Please, sir. Sure. We're going to have to end this program prior to his arrival, and I believe he is an early bird, gets the worm type of person. I do not want... In fact, when you cut the show today, do not go to studio camera. Okay. Please, sir.

Neil Williamson, what services or roads need to be cut from the budget to fund the gas tax cut? That's another way of looking at it. If we cut the gas tax, what services or roads need to be cut from the budget? Well, there's some question of using the extra. What do you call it? Surplus? Yeah, the surplus from the last year to... I mean, young.

Lumpkin left Spamberger with a massive surplus. Yeah. There were billions in surplus from Yonken when Yonken passed the baton to Spamberger. By now, we are how many, what are we, 90 days, we're 90 days into Spamberger. Do you feel bamboozled by the governor, Abigail Spanberger, with the campaign promises and the actual reality? Who feels bamboozled here? I do not feel bamboozled because we said this was going to happen. We also said Winston-Murals Sears and the Republicans,

especially at the top of the ticket, ran one of the most pitiful and pathetic campaigns and strategies we've ever seen. The Republicans could not get a black woman elected at governor, a lieutenant governor that was gay elected, and sitting incumbent attorney. general elected. How terrible was the political science and strategy at the top of the ticket where

Republicans could not win a race when Yonkin finishes within a surplus of money and they have a black woman running, a gay man and an incumbent, and they got destroyed? Or is that the collateral damage of

Trump and Virginia? And the impact of northern Virginia and its density of voters? Was it all the above? It's probably all the abroad. Some of all of it. And now we've got 90 days of Spanburger so far. Next topic. Judah Wickhauer.

What do you got? Next, we have no kings protests. Hey, if Dorothy, Blanche, Sophia, and Rose want to take their Saturday, it was gorgeous and stand on Route 29 in hauling carbon monoxide. go for it hauling carbon dioxide they want to inhale carbon monoxide on rut 29

on a beautiful Saturday go for it I'm all for Dorothy Blanche Sophia and Rose doing it this is the hippie movement in in another variation prove me wrong

prove me wrong these were the hippies of the 60s now in a no king's mindset in 2026. And here's another thing. I find curious. I find this curious.

A lot of the folks in the No King's protest were a lot of the folks that were like, my God, we've got to listen to the government no matter what during COVID and the pandemic. We have to stay inside. We must wear our mask, even when we're driving alone in our pre-a-season. and there's no one else in our car.

We have to wear our mask. It's just us and our Prius because we might inhale the outside air. It's on our feet and it's on our fingers. It's everywhere. We can't leave. We have to shut down the world.

And here they are five, six years later, saying the government can't tell us what to do. They are very selective in who deserves, in who gets to have kings and who gets to make authoritarian. rules. Five years ago, five years ago, we had to do whatever the government told us to do. Otherwise, we were terrorists and...

If we don't, we're domestic terrorist. Now 60 months later, five years later, screw the government, overreach, screw the government, you have... No, you can't, you can't be this dictator. unless you try to bring someone to talk at a school. That's good. Seriously. I know you're right. You want to protest authoritarianism,

but you also want to change the rules so that a group can't bring speakers into the classroom, into the school. And then you're going to go ahead and let another group do exactly what you've just voted is no longer allowed the very next day and let them bad mouth half the population.

Say it louder for Sally in the back. You don't have to say it louder. It's just an expression. Well said. Make it make sense. Yeah. Make it make sense. If you don't want authoritarianism.

Make it make sense. Don't show off your authoritarian impulses. All right, that's the talk show. I got somebody coming in at 1.30, and I want to respect his anonymity. We'll figure out the Twitter issues. The show wasn't airing on Twitter. We think we may be able to have it figured out tomorrow. For the viewers and listeners that watch the program,

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