The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - '92 UVA Grad Reaches Out About Greek Life; UVA Tour Guide Apologizes (Thomas Jefferson)

Episode Date: April 25, 2024

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Good Thursday afternoon, guys. I'm Jerry Miller. Thank you kindly for joining us on the I Love Seville show. It's great to connect with you through the I Love Seville network. We give some props to Dino and his team that are in the midst of expansion. Move through Pro Renata Brewery, wide open and ready for you to support it. Move Through, location number two, the first location at Dairy Market, the second location at Pro Renata Brewery and Crozet. In fact, Dino has two points of sale at Pro Renata. He's got the Move Through and he's got his Dino's Pizza. This man is expanding and he's expanding very quickly, approaching 50 employees and north of $5 million in sale across two Dino's locations,

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There goes Lloyd Snook. Did we decide what we're going to do when local luminaries walk by? Is it the jumping jacks? I think that was the best. Why don't we go to the studio camera and do the jumping jacks? We are two blocks. We're a block off the Alamo County Courthouse, a block from the Charlottesville Courthouse, 50 yards from the police department, 30 feet from Lloyd Snook's law firm, right off the

downtown mall. And when local luminaries walk in front of our studio, we have a fantastic vantage point of local luminaries walking by. Judah Wickhauer and I will do five jumping jacks each. It will be caveated that the jumping jacks will only be done during show, 1230 to 130. I can't wait to see who walks by next. Are you ready for the jumping jacks, my be done during show. 12.30 to 1.30. I can't wait to see who walks by next. Are you ready for the jumping jacks, my friend Judah B. Wickauer? The Sultan of Swat, the Jack of all Trays, the Jack of all Wits. Jumping Jack Judah, ready. Studio camera, we do five for Lloyd Snook. One, two.

Okay, we got to do it. These are five for Lloyd Snook, right? One, two, three, four, five. Is that hazing? Did I haze you? You don't have to do this. I don't want to lose our network charter here. I don't want our charter or our national chapter suing us for liable here.

Was that quantified as hazing? Judah Wickower doing jumping jacks because local luminary, Lloyd Snoke walked by. And speaking of hazing, we're going to talk about Albert Graves. Thank you for the retweet. We appreciate you on Twitter. Ginny Hu, we appreciate you as well. I want to talk about an email I received from a 1992 that really got the blood flowing, those jumping jacks yeah local luminaries walking by the studio will elicit jumping jacks from myself and jumping jack Judah that's pretty good is that a song jumping jack Judah this is

the email from a 1992 graduate Judas read it I've read it we will preserve there goes Lloyd again we don't have to do double jumping jacks if Lloyd walks to the market, walks back into the building and now we're going to see him in the side door in the hall here you want to compound based on walk by so this will be three, I saw him there

there he goes right there, there, there, there and there, four Lloyds oh man 1992 UVA graduate we will protect her name There, there, and there. Four Lloyds. Oh, man. 1992 UVA graduate. We will protect her name. This can get sticky. She lives in the Commonwealth of Virginia currently.

She writes this to us yesterday after the program at 8.19 in the evening. This is a pretty in-depth email. Hello, Jerry. I enjoyed your show today, especially your perspective on the changing culture at the University of Virginia. My husband and I are both UVA grads, and we were actively involved in Greek life. Pi Kappa Alpha and Delta Gamma. Delta Gamma is your sorority, Pi Kappa Alpha is your fraternity. For obvious reasons, we have been monitoringority, Pi Kappa Alpha for the fraternity. For obvious reasons, we have been monitoring the news about Pi Kappa Alpha. One of your most poignant comments today was about the changing culture at UVA. Of course, culture is driven by people.

As I sat in a less than half-full stadium last year for football, I could not help but wonder if football even matters at UVA anymore. Yes, a winning team would help, but we also need a student population that is actually interested in sports and carrying on the legacy of our UVA. I have two sons who literally have baby pictures and UVA gear. My older son did not even apply to UVA. He participated in a number of programs at UVA in middle and high school and came away each time with feeling less connected to the school. of Virginia, but during the tour, when the representative from the Office of Admissions apologized for Thomas Jefferson and for the school having been built on Indian land, the three of us lost interest. No one would have been sitting in the basement of Newcomb that day if it was not for Thomas Jefferson.

Bottom line, UVA has swung so far left, and that direction is going to affect the culture we embraced and loved. She continues in her email, three more paragraphs. I fear for the future of Greek life at UVA. In many parts of the country, Greek life is struggling because at its core, it does not align with woke culture infiltrating college campuses. In its attempt to placate, Delta Gamma has become unrecognizable. Last week, they acknowledged Non-Binary Parents Day. How about standing on the foundation of a collegial group of women coming together to do good? DG. UVA's DEI initiatives are some of the coolest or excuse me are some of the costliest costliest in the country and the initiatives to support fringe groups as well as their hiring practices

are definitely in alignment with where they put their dollars when you have a chance google the interim director of fraternity and sorority of life a very different profile than dean loschaway he was the dean when i was a fraternity guy at UVA, by the way. Last paragraph. I would have loved for my children to carry on the UVA legacy, but at the end of the day, this is not my UVA. For the first time since 1992, she says, we will not have season football tickets and will no longer contribute financially to the engineering school. Seeing the school through the eyes of my children has severed what allegiances I had left. Of course, UVA is a great school, but there are many great schools that still provide a wonderful combination of academic, athletic, and social opportunities.

And she says, prior to our tour of the University of Georgia, a good friend told me, it's our UVA. And she was so right. That's signed by a 1992 UVA graduate who lives in the Commonwealth product of the engineering school at UVA. I thought this email would make fantastic starting fodder for today's talk show. I highlighted on yesterday's show how I have personally seen, there's Chief Cotches. He's doing the jumping jacks. We got it from Chief Kachis. Studio camera for Chief Kachis. Here we go. Oh, man.

Okay. God, I love that man. Chief Kachis is doing jumping jacks on the sidewalk over there. Did you see him? I did. He's a local luminary. He's obviously been watching the show. Okay, are you ready? One, two, three,

four, five. Jumping Jack Judah. Chief Kachis is the man. You're the man, Chief Kachis. Ah, I love that man. Yesterday's show, we talked hazing and how hazing has called one fraternity charter to be terminated and two others to be suspended yeah we talked about the diminished engagement of greek life fraternity and sorority

life at the university of virginia and we also discussed how traditions and traditions were the foundation of UVA. When I was, my dad's a UVA graduate, my brother went to UVA, I went to UVA. We've been going to the University of Virginia since I was four or five years old. He's a 62 graduate of UVA, my dad. And we discussed how these traditions and these historical milestones celebrated from one generation to another, from one father to his two sons, from one mother to her two sons, from multi-generations of families that have gone to this school, how they've been diminished or erased altogether. And we've highlighted how the university is now more known for protests, DEI efforts, geopolitical conversations, professors utilizing their platforms

and their tenure protection to essentially voice their ideologies and pass those ideologies on to their students. And I asked you, the viewer and listener, if it's a school you recognize or if it's a school that you still have an affinity or appreciation for, like perhaps you once did when you were a child, a middle schooler, a high schooler,

or during your college years, or the time after college when you returned to celebrate as an alumni. And I've been given a lot of thought to this, and then I read her email last night while sitting in bed next to my wife, and it dawned on me. The university, and the city of Seville, and much of the urban ring of Albemarle County have followed a very similar trajectory. And perhaps it's the university leading the charge. Maybe it's Charlottesville leading the charge. I don't think it's the urban ring of Albemarle County that's leading the charge.

I believe it's the influence of UVA that's leading this push. We now have a city where in council chambers, 300 people, 200 people, whatever you want to call it, bully five members on the dais to push in, what do they push? With Hamas and Palestine and Israel? What's the word? I know there's a de-investment campaign. Two or three hundred people in front of the council members demanded that five government officials take a stance on Israel and Palestine and Middle Eastern warfare.

And I'm scratching my head. I'm like, what are these guys that make $18,000 on a dais representing a city of 45,000 people? Ceasefire resolution. A ceasefire resolution. Thank you. What is this going to do? I'm watching students on the rotunda, on the lawn, having a die-in, where students are laying on the ground

pretending like they're dying, demanding that the University of Virginia divest itself of businesses it works with in Israel. What are 40 kids that are laying on the lawn pretending like they're dying, what kind of influence are they going to have? I don't think they're going to have much influence. I'm watching the Cavalier Daily and reading an editorial on the Cavalier Daily

about Greek life and why it's being diminished and reading an editorial on the Cavalier Daily about Greek life and why it's being diminished and why UVA is the cause of it. And I asked myself this question, and you jump in here shortly. Viewers and listeners, you jump in shortly. UVA is influencing the city. The city is influencing the urban ring. What has become of dear old UVA where tour guides on grounds for prospective students and their families are apologizing for Thomas Jefferson? What has come of UVA

when diversity, equity, and inclusion efforts are yielding 20 to 25 million dollar yearly investments on administrative staff as opposed to creating 450 thousand dollar scholarships for students of color. What has come to UVA when the Anti-Defamation League grades the university an F when it comes to anti-Semitic behavior and the security and safety of Jewish students? What has come of the University of Virginia when its fraternities and sororities have not only become diminished, but they've been ravaged and stigmatized. Ravaged and stigmatized. What has become of the University of Virginia, where its football stadium, Scott Stadium, and its football team, on a good day, when they get 30,000 fans in the stadium, it's cause for celebration. When you see a 50,000-seat stadium,

a 55,000-seat stadium, and there's 30,000 people in there, there's a boatload of empty seats, but we give that attendance props and we celebrate it on the jumbotron. There was a time at UVA where we showed up to football games and button-down shirts and UVA orange and blue ties, and the ladies showed up in sundresses.

And we tailgated, and we sang a good old song, and we reveled and cherished the experience of four years at Thomas Jefferson's University. Now you show up to a football game. You don't see nearly the student commitment. You read the national news about the DEI administrative staff spend and the anti-defamation league giving it an F. You read in the national news that Razorblade Burt Ellis is getting in a brouhaha with the rector Robert Hardy with Jim Ryan sitting next to the rector, Ryan saying nothing, Hardy and Razorblade going toe-to-toe with an argument

about the security and safety of Jewish students, and you ask yourself, is it a university you even recognize anymore? And the comparisons that are being made right now with Charlottesville and the University of Virginia and Columbia University and the area right around Columbia? Very applicable.

So I wanted to start the program with this and get your take on a couple of things. First, Judah, then we'll get viewers and listeners' take, and we'll go to Ginny Hu, we'll go to Deep Throat, and any other viewers and listeners that are watching today's Fine and Fair talk show. My friend, jumping jack Judah Wittkower, the jack of all trades, the jack of all wits, the sultan of SWAT. The show is yours. Wow. That's a lot to follow.

I think that really everything is changing. You can't just point at one thing. The school is obviously changing, but the students are changing as well. Like the letter said, kids going to check the school out, they're seeing it through different eyes than somebody would have even just five or ten years ago. I think a lot of that is based on our wider availability of media,

our connection to stories around the world, and that's changing the way we see a lot of things. I think part of that is this lessened sense of connection to something that, in this case, was their parents' alma mater, who were at the time very proud of and going to visit. They just had a different impression. It's a different time. They have different ideas about what they want.

And then, of course, you've got somebody apologizing about the founder of the school on a tour of the place. And I don't see how that's going to win people over. I've got to ask you a question about this. A tour guide apologizing to parents and prospective students while giving an in-person tour while standing on the grounds of the University of Virginia, apologizing on behalf of the founder of the school, Thomas Jefferson, the president, former president, one-time president of this country. How would you quantify or characterize that behavior? I'm going to ask you some questions.

I'm not going to give my opinion. I'm going to ask you some questions. Is it fair? Is it wokeism? Is it attracting? Is it commentary that will attract the best of the best to a school that prides itself in being the best of the best? Will it turn off the best of the best from attending? I can't speak to the last two I don't think it's fair I think that I think that it's probably school mandated I doubt that this guy just out of the blue decided to apologize about Thomas Jefferson on his own You think it's school mandated?

I think it's probably part of the script now That could be completely wrong, but my guess is that the school kind of wants to distance themselves, and I definitely don't think that's fair. And I think the problem is we are not allowed to have discussions about these things, just like the statues. There's no discussion allowed. You just have to chop them down and melt

them down and what, pretend they never existed? It saddens me because this is history that we don't want to, it's not history that we should be proud of, but at the same time, it's history that we should discuss with our kids so that we don't forget, so that we don't let these types of things happen again. For instance, people wandering campuses chanting anti-Semitic phrases. People people act like it's crazy that they're that they're making that they're pointing out the similarities between between August 12th 2017, August 11th and 12th 2017

here in Charlottesville and what's going on at Columbia I mean it's literally the exact same thing. People walking around chanting anti-Semitic phrases and we're just supposed to ignore it. I don't know. I think that it's a shame that the school doesn't turn this into a discussion and a teachable moment rather than rather than trying to

erase history yeah I'll take it a step further and then I'll get to your comments Olivia Branch hello, Logan Wells Claylow hello, Chuck Ramey hello Bill McChesney hello on YouTube on YouTube. Thank you kindly for watching us, Sarah Williams. Thank you kindly for watching us, LH. LH and Sarah Williams will get to your comments. Ginny Hu will get to your comments in a matter of moments. Maria Marshall-Barnes will get to your comments in a matter of moments.

Vanessa Parkhill, Amy Whalen will get to your comments in a matter of moments. There goes Brian Holuska wearing a UVA hoodie right there. We owe the viewers and listeners five jumping jacks with local luminary Brian Holuska walking by. Can you keep a check mark of five jumping jacks that we have to do for B. Holusk, please? Don't let me get off air without doing five jumping jacks for Brian Holuska.

Brian Holuska's lunchtime pedestrian travel is going to get you and I ripped. No doubt. He walks by there every day at lunchtime. If the University of Virginia, with tour guides, I took those tours. My brother took those tours. If the University of Virginia is instructing

its student tour guides to apologize for Thomas Jefferson and his role with creating and building UVA, what is the reaction from you personally and then from you viewers

and listeners? For me personally, I would find it a turn off if I was going on a tour and a tour guide was apologizing for the founder of the school who is also a founding member of our country. And where do you go with that? You know what I call that? Foreshadowing of what's to come for your next four years on grounds should you choose to attend TJ's university.

Yeah. That's foreshadowing. That is foreshadowing protests. That is foreshadowing politics. That is foreshadowing curriculum. That is foreshadowing professor influence. That is foreshadowing professor influence, that is foreshadowing headwinds. And the people that want that will come to the school.

And the people that don't want that will choose another place. And that's how culture and community are either built, gentrified, created or changed. And there's cause and effect of that culture. Maybe some of that cause and effect is lack of attendance at a football game

or sporting events. That's an interesting correlation. And explain the correlation because we're vibing right here. What's the correlation I'm making? That the type of person that's interested in making apologies for people dead over 100 years are the same type of people that couldn't care less whether the UVA football team wins or loses. There it is. And are not going to fill seats at the stadium. There we go. Would

rather be lying down. I'm not trying to imply that there are thousands and thousands of students who would do one of these die-ins. Because I believe the number that I read was 50 or 60. It was a meager number. But the point being that if you court the type of

people that don't care about football games but do care about your DEI initiatives, that's what you're going to get. You get what you pay for. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen. There it is. Right there.

Let's take it a step further with cause and effect. How does that change Charlottesville, the city, and the urban ring? We know UVA has massive influence over the city and the urban ring. Someone like me who went there and chose to stay.

Are we now going to see more folks who choose to stay or choose to visit or choose to influence having this culturally or politically or vocally embraced mindset choosing to call this place home? Is that why we've seen the political tendencies lean even more left? In a category that many would call socialism or further? Ask yourself that

let's get lower thirds on screen put the TJ lower third I'd like to go I have a boatload of comments come here David Riddick thank you for watching the program Mr. Riddick is watching on LinkedIn I enjoyed conversating with you David Riddick at Birdwood Grill

over the weekend you're a gentleman and a scholar. I sincerely mean that. I'll go to number one in the family first. His moniker is Deep Throat. He's earned the first lot. Judah is so right. Admissions are key. If you admit kids because they have some nonsense about, I started a non-profit at 12 because I'm a change maker, instead of admitting kids who show intellectual potential, what do you think those kids do when they get here? He also says, the students aren't trying to accomplish anything with those die-ins on the lawn when it applies to Gaza. They are trying to fill a hole in their life where meaning would be in a healthy psyche.

Interesting. Yeah. You know some of the key criteria to get into the University of Virginia when I was applying? I got an early admission. And some of the key criteria to getting in, it was obviously grades and SATs. And a good essay. People have grades and SATs. It was a good essay. People have grades and SATs and a good essay. But it was extracurriculars and leadership

that were prioritized. Team sports was big time prioritized. Captaining team sports was big time prioritized. Extracurriculars like the National Honor Society and the Key Club and Eagle Scout were highly prioritized. What's prioritized today? Team sports and captaining those sports

considerably more diminished on the application. It's interesting. Ginny Hu, her photo on screen. You can find the rankings for the viewers and listeners at ilovecivil.com forward slash viewer rankings. Ginny Hu is a University of Virginia graduate number four in the family. She says,

fellas, I could have written a very similar email that that 1992 graduate wrote to you guys. We are no longer season ticket holders. My oldest has no interest in applying to UVA, and just last night I told my two younger kids I would rather they did not look at it as an option either. She continues on Twitter, Ginny who?

Also, that's not the first time I've heard about a university guide disparaging Jefferson. It's not proof, but it suggests at least it's condoned by UVA brass, if not encouraged in guide training, which is what you alluded to. Yeah, I agree. She sends two other tweets. As someone who worked as an interpreter at Monticello 20 years ago, you should see how radically that training has changed. We were allowed to have debates and express thoughts. Now you must follow the party line to work there. And in her last tweet, Ginny Hu says, this ties into both Greek life and deep

throats comment. The majority of my sorority sisters did volunteer work over a plethora of organizations. We were not protesting. We were actively giving our time to causes that helped better the community. We created, I was philanthropy chair, social and rush chair. As philanthropy chair, we had to do a charitable component of fraternity life while at Phi Kappa Psi. And our charitable component that we did was a kickball tournament. And that kickball tournament raised hundreds of dollars for a local nonprofit. The brothers had fun.

We played kickball in the Mad Bowl. Yes, we drank beer. Yes, we had a great time. But we each got 50 shirts. Each fraternity that participated had to pay a fee to be part of the tournament. And we had 50 shirts that we were responsible selling at 20 bucks a pop. And all that money was used for charity locally in Charlottesville.

Let's go to James Watson, his photo on screen. Mr. Watson, another key member of this family, number five in the polls. Let's get to James's comment. Football tickets are expensive and they've had maybe two good seasons in the last 12 years. It's also hard to spend 250 on a hotel if you're coming from out of town. Sadly, until they start winning, that ain't changing. I can agree with that point, but I will counter that point by saying this. My mom and dad came up from Williamsburg for 20 years with season tickets.

And that's when this football team had some success under George Welsh, but about experiencing Charlottesville and spending money in the community and tailgating and walking around grounds and waxing nostalgic of my dad's four years from 68 to 72. I think I said earlier in the show he's a 68 graduate. He's a 72 graduate. He was born in 1950, 1968 to 1972. He first attended the University of Virginia. My father and I know this because he beat it into us like a broken record when it was all men and you had to wear suits and ties to class. When he finished in 72,

it was completely, what's it called? I'm drawing a blank on the word here. Completely. Women were admitted into school, and you went from a jacket and tie, it was co-ed, you went from jacket and tie to co-ed, and everyone was wearing sandals and cut-off shorts

and tank tops to class. And he still to this day talks very fondly of his experience. We went to these games, not about wins and losses, and they paid season tickets, not for victories and defeats, but because of the experience of getting in the car and a Saturday spent in Charlottesville. It was the experience of it. And that was to the benefit of the community. Look at the UVA corner right now. The corner is a shadow of its former self. Chains galore. Part of that is due to headwinds like expensive labor. And part of that has to do with the fact that three or four landlords own most of the quarter, and they're driving prices to points that the local guy cannot afford. But the UVA corner is

not what it used to be because students don't patronize the corner like they used to. We used to go to Buddhist or to Coop's. We'd go to Coop's on Tuesday nights for Benny Dodd and Dollar Burger night and like three or $4 pitchers. We'd go Monday to Buddhist Biker Bar for $5 steak and potatoes. Thursday, Friday, Saturday, every single night was out at the corner. And we weren't there. We were partying at fraternities and sororities.

Look at it now. It's not nearly the case. Have a conversation with anyone that owns an eatery or a bar that has managed to survive on the corner, and they'll tell you the same. Students just don't spend like they do. And I'm not pushing Rage Cage, closing the bars down.

I'm not pushing that at all. And I understand the mindset of a Gen Zer has changed, and it's much more white claw and seltzer, if they drink at all, and much less natural light and bud light and throwing down Goldschlager shots. And for the betterment of mankind, that's probably healthy. But it's also an indication of human behavior changing. Bill McChesney watching the program. He says, in June 2016, there was a car club convention and meet for the National Chrysler and DeSoto Airflow Group.

The participants were taken aback by both the narrative of the tour of UVA grounds and touring Monticello. They also went to Montpelier but did not feel the same narrative applied. These folks were staying in the existing Darden Hotel and using Darden for their meetings and dinner. Vanessa Parkhill, the Queen of Earliesville. Her photo on screen. Mr. McChasney is currently ranked 15 in the family Vanessa Parkhill 6 in the family I have no connection to UVA other than living in the area

seeing the change at the university founded by Mr. Jefferson is breaking my heart Travis Hackworth watching in Danville, Virginia is Mr. Hackworth on the viewer-listener power pole? He is. Let's get his photo on screen, please. Number 53 in the family, from Danville.

I was a Pi Kappa Phi at Coastal Carolina, and we had to volunteer. It was always a great time and worthwhile. We'd clean, as Phi Psi's at UVA, we'd clean, pick up litter and trash on the road. Nice. When you weren't hazing people. We had time spent moving, helping people

move and move in. We volunteered at a number of the local non-profits. Madison House. Anyone familiar with Madison House at UVA? Let me see if I can find out an independent volunteer center for students at the University of Virginia Madison House we coordinate volunteers and develop leaders and we build community that's their mission you know where Madison House is located

right next to the fraternities around the corner from Phi Kappa Psi and across the street from Chi Phi and Kappa Sig. On Rugby Road. The volunteer coordination outfit. Madison House. Maria Marshall Barnes, her photo on screen. Maria Marshall Barnes is a key member of the family.

She is currently ranked. And Maria, your ranking is going to go up. 22 in the polls. Racing history never fixes problems. We educate ourselves and we do better. And she says, if TJ is so offensive to someone, why would you pick that school in the first place? I think a better question is is what school do you pick?

Our country is built on, I mean, they talk about the letter, the email that you were reading from mentions the fact that they also apologize. I believe they also apologize for the fact that UVA is built on Indian land. And that's terrible, but are you going to tear UVA down and give it back to someone, maybe a descendant? What school do you pick? University of Phoenix. Found it in the age of the internet. There you go. But my point is that our country was based on

slave labor and stealing land. We can apologize all we want, but that's not going to change anything. It's not going to bring anything back. And it just doesn't help anyone. I don't know if maybe some of these people are ‑‑ think it's more than just virtue signaling. And there's some ‑‑ I don't know. Some benefit to be had in making everyone aware of these things. But at least make it a conversation, not just a statement. Let's go to YouTube. Comments on YouTube from Sarah Williams.

Sarah Williams is a YouTube commenter. She needs to be a part of the iloveceville.com forward slash viewer rankings at 64. Sarah Williams, you can find her on YouTube in the comments of today's show. Sarah Williams, YouTube of the comments of today's show. Please add her to the viewer rankings power poll and add LH to the viewer rankings power poll.

They're really making the show better on that channel. LH? Yep, you'll see him on the comments. He's writing comments on the show right now. Sarah Williams says, guys, the words you were looking for earlier in the show were ceasefire. Thank you, Sarah. She says this.

The ceasefire was silly. They should have told them what, they should have told the group in council chambers, what can we do as a city council with a national issue? We have nothing to vote on. Sarah Williams says, calling it a moral depravity and a hideous blot, he believed that slavery presented the greatest threat

to the survival of the new American nation. She's talking about TJj and she says so why is the university apologizing for this man he was outspoken about this but he also had he he also had dozens if not over a hundred and impregnated his slaves yeah so despicable behavior yeah despicable behavior when you Despicable behavior. Despicable behavior. When you, despicable behavior, you own somebody and you're impregnating them, that's rape. Yeah. It gets back to the point that

Maria Marshall Barnes made. If this is offensive, why do you agree to attend? Maria Marshall Barnes made. If this is offensive, why do you agree to attend? Right. Travis Hackworth, I agree with Maria Marshall Barnes. At some point, you have to apologize and move on.

Charleston, South Carolina has found a way to live with their history along with many others. It doesn't make the past pretty, but we also have to learn to live with it and move on and do better. James Watson, a man I respect, is pushing back. He says this. As far as Thomas Jefferson goes, how does any type of man live with fathering children who are born into slavery while writing a document saying that all men are created equal? Yeah. I mean, that's a great point.

It's a fair comment. Randy O'Neill, welcome to the show. Thank you kindly for watching the program. It's a fair comment. Yeah, definitely. And, again, that's something that we should be talking about. That is what the conversation should be about, not just straight up condemning someone for a life lived in a time and under a morality that we don't really have any understanding of. Deep throat. Not that we don't have any understanding, but go ahead.

Deep throat's comment. Then we'll go to the next topic. I'll quote my younger son, Deep Throat says, who quoted Macbeth when I was mad at him that he had left some of his homework at school and it was impossible to retrieve. My younger son said, and I know his younger son, I can actually see his younger son saying this. My younger son said, that which is without remedy should be without regard. As Judas said, the Monacans are not getting grounds back. Apologies at this point are pointless.

Yeah. That's great. And I love the Shakespeare quote too. All right. We spent 40, about 45 minutes on the show and we have some other items that we need to get to. I want to thank, and I don't have her approval yet, I don't have her approval to utilize her name with the email that she sent. So we didn't, Jude and I, utilize her email. A 1992 graduate of UVA in the engineering school. But her email resonated with me.

I read it about 8.15 p.m. last night. And it helped shape today's show. It shows you that you, the viewer and listener, very well could shape the program the next day. And we want that actually to be the case. We want you guys to shape the show. I'd like to go to the next topic on the rundown, if you can put me on a one-shot.

In fact, I'll set the stage for the two topics and you set the table. And we still owe the viewers and listeners five jumping jacks, and I got a 1.30 conference call in 12 minutes. Brian Huluska's got five jumping jacks banked for his presence. Two infographics. One infographic, put it on screen,

the cost of food for one adult, right? Yeah. Put those on screen. Put the first one on screen. What's the source of that infographic? The source of that is somebody on, let's see, all data source from Economic Policy Institute on.epi.org. Economic Policy Institute is the source. Set the table for us, Judah Wickauer.

This map and the next one we're going to show are very interesting. They don't completely align in a lot of areas, but where I think I was surprised they align was in our area. We've got right now, it doesn't look like much. I'm going to blow up the image. Alright, set the table. Come on. Times are the essence here.

There is a very dark spot right in the middle of Virginia where we are, Charlottesville, showing that the cost of food for one adult is the highest it could be right here. The highest it could be compared to what? Compared to anywhere else. We're looking at the dark red is $500 plus per adult per month. And we're not even really seeing that in Northern Virginia. And that brings us to the second. So here's what he's saying.

The median cost to feed one adult. This is the kind, this is what you do when you set the table. The median cost to feed one adult in Charlottesville is the highest in the Commonwealth and over $500 per adult median. Yeah, that's setting the table. The median cost to feed one adult in Charlottesville is the highest in the Commonwealth at over $500 per adult median. That's setting the table. Let's set the table here for housing. Put the housing infographic on screen. The median housing price for Charlottesville area, look at the red dot here, over $500,000 median. Yeah. This is the entire county. So what we're basically saying here,

and I had this conversation, look at the one red speck there. Look at the red speck. That is Charlottesville. Right there with Los Angeles. Right there with the resorts in Colorado, right there up in the Northeast that could be expected. Look at little old Charlottesville,

that red speck in the center of Virginia. Median home value over $500,000. As Rory Stolzenberg put it on Twitter, the planning commissioner, when he shared this graphic that's on screen, median house price over $500,000 in the fourth quarter of 2023. Look, Ma, we made it. Obviously with sarcasm from the planning commissioner Stolzenberg. It's not just the housing, it's the food. And it's important to emphasize, I was having this conversation with my wife

who pointed to Northern Virginia. The earning potential is not as deep here as it is in Northern Virginia. So it makes the cost of living in the Charlottesville metro area the highest in the Commonwealth because the income potential is not synonymous with Northern Virginia. So it makes the cost of living in the Charlottesville metro area the highest in the Commonwealth because the income potential is not synonymous with Northern Virginia. Right. Yes, the cost of living is extremely high in Northern Virginia, but it can be somewhat offset by the income potential in Northern Virginia. You don't have that here. Definitely. You have a massive dichotomy of haves and have-nots.

And that also could lead to this cultural shift that we're experiencing in this community. The haves and have-nots having such a gap, such a widening gap. I passed that along to you because I found it fascinating. Judah and I both found it fascinating. Judah, thank you for having that on screen. I'd also like to highlight on today's show, this kind of dovetails into what we've been talking about all along.

I follow a Twitter handle that is fantastic when it comes to economic data. And I'll spell it for you. It's the K-O-B-E-I-S-S-I letter. The K-O-B-E-I-S-S-I letter. Maybe you follow him on Twitter if you'd like some insight into economic macro data. But I think it's very applicable to Charlottesville potentially. And a tweet an hour ago, this particular account tweets

this. You cannot make this up. Prediction markets now show a 36% chance of zero interest rate cuts in 2024, according to Kaoshi. To put this in perspective, four months ago, there was a 3% chance of no rate cuts in 2024. That means the base case has gone from six rate cuts to one rate cut this year. There is just a 31% chance of two or more interest rate cuts in 2024. In other words, there is a higher chance of no cuts than two or more cuts. This could be the fastest shift in Fed expectations of all time. Truly incredible is the tweet. You want me to get that image up? Sure.

You already have it? You saw that I retweeted it? I just grabbed it. This one right here? Yeah. Fantastic. Excellent work, Judah. So I bring this to you not to talk about macro data.

I'm not an economist. I'm not going to sit here in downtown Charlottesville and pull a city council and say there should be a ceasefire in Gaza and Israel and Palestine, and I'm not going to sit here and say, oh, this is what the Fed should do here from downtown Charlottesville. What I can do from my vantage point through this storefront window as a counselor walks by and as

a heavy hitter in city hall walks by and as the police chief walked by, I can say this is the impact it's going to have in the community I see out this window. And the community I see out this window is a community that has a lot of folks and a lot of small businesses leveraged with credit cards and debt that's floating. And as rate cuts are becoming less and less and less and less apparent. Likely. Likely, thank you. That floating debt is becoming more and more and more and more expensive. And that floating debt is going to pinch and pinch and pinch and pinch

small business owners and just average Joes and average Sallys even more. And when that floating debt that's becoming more expensive and lasting longer is pinching small business owners and average Joes and average Sallies even more, it's going to continue to cause a shift in human behavior. And that shift in human behavior could be where you live. That shift in human behavior could be where you live. That shift in human behavior could be what you do. That shift in human behavior could be how you see things. And that's an indication of what's happening on Preston, on West Main, on Main Street, on Route 29, in Keswick, in Shadwell, on Rugby, in Forest Lakes, in Hollymead, on Crozet. Rising number of houseless people. More expensive now.

Prices are softening a little bit. Home values softening a smidge. But you can make a legitimate argument, most expensive time in American history right now to buy a house. With the rates upticking to where they are and with the debt profile where it is. And with the price of homes. There it is. All right, a couple of other topics here.

Do you have the banner that deep... Sorry, I moved your camera there. I apologize. I moved that camera there. Do you have the banner that the King of Redfields, Bob Yarborough, sent to us? I do. New pizza spot at Fry Spring Station.

What's it called, Judah? I keep wanting to call it Pineapple, but I think it's Pineapple, as in short for... Pie would be pizza. Would it be short for Neapolitan? Yeah, definitely. Napo is short for Neapolitan?

I would say it's short for that. Pie would be short for pizza pie. Possibly, but I believe... Hold on, let me get the image up. Or is it a play on Naples, Italy? That could be it, too. Here's the image. Because Naples, Italy is highlighted in that it too. Here's the image. Because Naples, Italy is highlighted

in that banner. You can't really see the pie in this image and the Napo is all capitalized. But I saw another image that had the pie capital,

both capital letters, and the Napo, a capital N. This is what I think it is. Pi is short for pizza. Napo is a play on Naples, Italy. See how they have Naples, Italy on the banner in the circle? Yeah. The first two letters of Naples, N-A,

and the P-O from Neapolitan. That's what I think the play is. Pizza Pie, Pie, P.I., NAPO, N.A. from Naples, and P.O. from Neapolitan. They're taking over the pizzeria at Fry Spring Station. This building owned by a friend of the program, Terry Hinderman,

who we fondly dubbed the Mayor of Fry Springs. I see this man often, play squash with him often. A-plus guy, Terry Hinnerman. Also owns the shopping center across the way, the Maury Avenue Shopping Center, where he chopped the Anna's Pizza location

in two. And he's got a donut shop coming to one half of the Anna's Pizza location, backed by the team that owns Marie Bett. We'll let you know that first. Caught some heat for that, but proved to be right again. The other half of that Anna's location is still vacant right now.

He also lives in Fry Springs, the mayor of Fry Springs, Terry Hinerman. A-plus guy. Great hands when it comes on the squash court. The expectation of having a pizza place there was probably pretty high. And why it was pretty high is because they had the oven was there. And that oven is extremely expensive. And I'm pretty sure they had to take the roof off to get the oven in. When they basically built it around the oven. The front of the house.

So we'll see. We will follow this closely here. The neighborhood is starving, pun intended, for pizza. I will say the environment has gotten more competitive with the opening of Christian's Pizza on Fifth Street.

Christian's Pizza on Fifth Street is a bona fide competitor for that Fry Springs, Redfields, Mosby Mountain area. Bona fide competitor. But you can make an argument that with Anna's closing across the way, it's opened up some market share to be gained. It's a fantastic location, a converted gas station. So you're seeing that corner, and maybe this is a topic for tomorrow

because I have a conference call I've got to take here. You're seeing that topic really, you're seeing that corner, and maybe this is a topic for tomorrow because I have a conference call I've got to take here. You're seeing that topic really, you're seeing that corner really round into form. With the donut place, right? Yeah, and you mentioned earlier about neighborhood restaurants. And I would love to see more of that in Charlottesville. Yeah, and this is the quintessential neighborhood restaurant, a place you can walk to. Yeah, well, that's what I mean.

Which is beautiful. And people are like, oh, it doesn't have parking, it doesn't have parking, it doesn't have parking. You're walking here. Yeah, and that's one of the things that I really loved about my time in Savannah, Georgia. And maybe this is a topic for tomorrow's program. If you want to save this for the rundown,

neighborhood restaurants, neighborhoods with the best walkability for restaurants. And not just restaurants. It's got to be Belmont 1, right? And then Fry Springs 2. Is it fair to call North Downtown and the Downtown Mall one and the same?

Or is that not necessarily fair? Like the Tavala and the local and Mas Tapas and Bell, you can walk to those if you live in Belmont. Yeah. Johnny Ornalis' Guadalajara and the donut shop Sabarco's? Yeah, I think that's right. Pinapple?

Pineapple. Pinapple? Yeah, pineapple. And Fry Springs have got Walkability. Are Fry Springs and Belmont your two top ones for Walkability in restaurants? Yeah, definitely. I mean, you know. That's a topic for tomorrow's show.

I got a call here. I'm actually late on the call. All right, that's the Thursday edition of the program. We hope you enjoyed it. I thought, oh, we got Chucking Jacks to do. I thought Judah Wickhauer, you should go Thursday edition of the program. We hope you enjoyed it. I thought, oh, we got jumping jacks to do. I thought Judah Wickhauer, you should go to the studio camera here. I thought Judah Wickhauer did an A-plus job.

He's got a new nickname, Jumping Jack Judah, the Sultan of Swat, the Jack of all trades, the Jack of all wit. He was doing a fantastic job. My name is Jerry Miller, and it's the I Love Seville Show. All we want to do is be the water cooler conversation in this community. It's all we want to do Let me know when you're on the studio camera if we can get to those because I have a feeling my

1.30 is gonna watch me do jumping jacks as I call him late on the phone All right This is for, is it for Brian Hrlosta? Yeah. Good job. Yeah, up top. Lake. There you go. One, two, three, four. That's good form. All right, stay out of the ski motion. Thank you.