The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Alleged White Collar Racketeering At UVA Health; When Kent Resigned, Did UVA Pay Out His Contract?
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Welcome to the I Love Seville Show, guys.
My name is Jerry Miller, and thank you kindly for joining us on a Friday, the last show of the week.
It's good to be with you.
It's been a hell of a week for the I Love Seville Network.
We have discussed certainly yesterday topics that I think are really important for our community.
When the chief employer, the top employer and the driver of the region's economy,
the University of Virginia
has its primary revenue generator,
the health system,
in a spotlight that is,
you know, frankly corrupt, a corrupt spotlight.
I mean, I was choosing my words carefully.
I can't choose my words carefully.
A lot of people really got hurt here.
And as a father of a seven-year-old
and as a father of a three-year-old,
just some of the stuff that I continue to read in this 239 page report that the Jefferson Council
sourced through a Freedom of Information Act requests.
UVA was trying to hide this.
The health system was trying to hide this.
People were trying to hide it.
And in these 239 pages is some of the scummiest criminal behavior that you can find.
people died. Surgeries were performed on children. They were ordered to be performed on children,
despite doctors telling their C-suite, their leadership, their hierarchy that we shouldn't be doing
this. We're risking safety in children's lives to perform these bone marrow surgeries, and leadership
said, do it anyway, because it's about money here. It's profit over patients. You know, the
changing of medical records and the, you know,
fraudulent billing of people.
It's like gatekeeper in bullying tactics
to drive revenue as much as possible.
I mean, this is, ladies and gentlemen,
this is the definition of a corrupt hostile takeover
that jettisoned, embattled, resigned,
Craig Kent,
implemented over the last four or five years.
And it's just now kind of coming out.
Like we anticipated all this because the anonymous 128 doctors,
you know, peppered my inbox with what was going on
over the course of the last year in change.
But when a third-party law firm, and that's exactly what's happened,
a third-party law firm that's independent from the University of Virginia,
that's hired by the Board of Visitors,
investigates the alleged criminal behavior of a hospital system,
of a health system.
And then that third-party law firm documents the interviews they have
with the doctors and documents their research
and everything they uncover.
That's where alleged starts becoming,
no, this is what happened.
hesitant to use the word alleged.
I still use it as a guy that's fearful of retribution.
You know, from yesterday's show to today's show,
we had nearly two dozen medical professionals
and employees of UVA health reach out to us,
thanking me and Judah for the show we did
and offering more background and color on what's going on.
And my direct messages are open,
my text messages are open, my email inbox is open, my phone number is all over online.
I'm very easy to find, extremely easy to find.
UVA employees were texting me during the show about what we were talking about.
So I'm very easy to find.
But you know what one of the common denominators was of all those people who reached out to us
that offered gratitude for what we were doing on the show?
The common denominator, I asked all of them, will you join us on the program?
to discuss this. And every single one of them said, we can't do it. We are fearful of what they will do to us if we talk about this on the record. Exact words. One doctor in particular, I am scared with what they will do to my family if I talk about what I am seeing at this hospital. These, this, this isn't living in the gray area.
These are like tactics you see on like Goodfellas or like The Godfather.
These are tactics where fear and retribution and punitive and punishment are used against people that don't tow the company line.
And we're going to continue to discuss this.
I'm going to ask you the viewer and listener
to this question. It's been
48 hours since the Jefferson Council
published online and
sent to the world
these 239
pages. These 239 pages.
And there is not a media
platform in the Commonwealth of Virginia
that has
published any kind of reporting
on this.
This network
Judah and I
are the only platform of merit, of note, of reach that are talking about a man who took over the health
system as the CEO after a trail of tears from Ohio State, a trail of terror, I should say,
at Ohio State, where he used the same grift, the same mafioso.
tactics hired here under Jim Ryan's watch and said from day one, I am going to run this
system, health system my way.
And from day one, a hostile takeover that took the health system from a brand of trust
and reputation to one that exploits men, women, and
children out of time when they are sick, dying, and at their most vulnerable. We're going to
continue to talk about it on the show. I'm going to continue to ask why this is not being reported
upon by anyone. I'm going to continue to encourage the medical professionals, the doctors,
the surgeons that have reached out to us to continue flooding our inbox. The anonymous 128,
I've proven to you that I understand the word off the record in discretion,
and I've proven to all of UVA health that I'm a man of my word
when I don't utilize your name and what you pass on to us.
I am itching for somebody, however, to come on the record and on the show
to discuss what's going on, because I think the community deserves to know.
I think they deserve to know.
I said on yesterday's show, we are unabashed, unafraid.
I will add unfiltered and frankly unaffiliated.
Unaffiliated, I think is a really important word
because the third part, the journalism that should be following this story,
it's not unaffiliated because of the advertising dollars spent by UVA Health
with legacy media.
And those advertising dollars are basically buying the brand UVA Health
a free pass on accountability.
And when brands, when corruption,
can buy free pass on accountability,
that's a scary world.
That's like what big pharma does.
That's what big pharma does, folks.
That's like what big tobacco does.
Big tobacco, big farmer, they did that.
Big tobacco, now no longer the,
the show pony it once was. Big Pharma, without question the show pony, because of the advertising
dollars it spends and the free pass it gets. You see this in politics. We're seeing this firsthand
locally. Judah Wickhauer, Jerry Miller, will give some love on this program to a local
institution, and that's Charlottesville Sanitary Supply. They've been in business for 61 years.
John Vermillion and Andrew Vermillion are just honest people.
and of integrity and character.
Their location is on East High Street,
and they're online at Charlesville Sanitary Supply.com,
where they offer free in-market delivery.
Their prices beat the big box stores,
and then they get it to your house faster than the big box stores.
Why would you not support them?
Anything sanitary supply.
Charlottesville Sanitary Supply.
Judah Wickhauer's studio camera,
if you like the show, hit the like button, hit the like button, leave a comment, share the show,
or at the very least, tag somebody and let them know they should be listening to the program
because it's unabashed, unafraid, unfiltered, and unaffiliated.
Judah.
Tushat, where do you want to begin?
We've now spent even more time on the 239 pages.
I mean, where to begin?
There's so much in here.
There's talk about mismanagement.
There's talk about deprivation of resources.
There's talk about misuse of the emergency room,
the emergency department, revenue-driven policies,
essentially pushing emergency room patients to the side
in favor of surgical revenue.
I mean, there's,
the personal hiring practices that Kent pushed, including hiring candidates that he favored.
And I don't know how capable or incapable those candidates were,
but he was clearly, you know, patting the hospital, the health system.
With yes men and yes women?
and potentially friends, who knows.
He would affect, he would cause searches for hires to fail
because he didn't want a candidate.
Part of this we talked about yesterday
when we discussed the fact that he wanted every decision
to go through him.
He would continually promote surgeons,
who were showing poor outcomes,
who had warnings that patients under these surgeons were at grave risk.
I mean, the list goes on and on.
There's so much to talk about.
Here are questions I have.
Put headline, the contract headline on screen, if you could.
Craig Kent resigned under tremendous duress.
tremendous dress at a Board of Visitors meeting where the world was surprised that he resigned.
This was less than a year ago. February of 2025, five years on the job, Craig Kent resigned.
Was he by the Board of Visitors or the University of Virginia?
Did he have his entire contract paid in full?
When he resigned, you won't find it online.
I've looked.
I'd like for the medical professionals
that are watching and listening to this program
to direct message me that answer,
I will keep your name off the record.
I need to confirm it and collaborate it
with at least two sources.
Prior to launching this business 18 years ago,
ladies and gentlemen,
my first job out of the University of Virginia
was as a print,
reporter and at one time I was a print radio and television reporter, broadcaster, and personality.
And in that training, which I worked in media for about a decade, the rule of thumb, if you were
going to use unnamed sources, it had to be collaborated by at least two distinct unnamed sources.
So I would need two distinct unnamed sources because I doubt you're going to want your name
on the record on this. Two distinct. If I get it from one, I would need another person.
to collaborate this. Did Craig Kent, when he resigned in shocking fashion at an after-hours
UVA Board of Visitors meeting, was his contract paid out in full? You're talking the highest paid
employee at the University of Virginia at the time of his resignation about 11 months ago. Craig
Kent was his contract paid in full? Because if his contract was paid in full, you're talking
a man walking away with millions of dollars in hand. Not just one, not just two. He was making about
a million point five a year, one point five million, one million five hundred thousand dollars. From
December, from the end of 2024 to 2025, Craig Kent got a five hundred thousand dollar raise.
Think about offering a man a five hundred thousand dollar race. This is documented in public record.
He got a 500 grand raise.
And when he got the 500K raise from the University of Virginia,
from the Board of Visitors from Jim Ryan,
this was smack dab in the middle of 128 anonymous doctors,
the pinnacle of the profession,
emailing, papering the trail with Jim Ryan and the Board of Visitors
of white-collar racketeering, fraudulent billing,
medical chart changing,
performing surgeries on children
without having the proper staff in place,
without having the proper technology, infrastructure, and resources.
Surgeries on children, pediatric oncologists, bone marrow surgeries,
that went to their superiors, the surgeons,
surgeons went to their superiors and said,
if we do these type of surgeries on kids, they could die,
and still they're told, do it anyway, because we want the money.
All this is happening, and Kent gets a 500 grand raise.
500K.
So I would like, and I see you watching the program, our technology shows us who's watching the show, what platform you're watching on, we have a heat map, the medical professionals watching the program now.
Can you let me know how much, whether or not Craig Kent's contract was paid out in full? I need two sources to collaborate it. I won't use your name on the record.
because if he had his contract paid in full,
the man's walking with multi-millions of dollars.
The follow-up question I have is,
is there some kind of non-disclosure agreement
that was signed for that payout
where Kent can't talk about the University of Virginia anymore?
I'm curious why they would go with that option.
Instead of firing him, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was, why was he not fired?
Like if you're, if you're, who's a good example?
Dave Lato, you know, Pete Gillen, Mike London, right?
You don't perform statistically.
You're fired.
Those aren't great examples.
Bobby Patrino, when Bobby Petrino was, was it the head coach of the Arkansas football team?
Bobby Petrino was linked to so much scandal and trouble that he's fired with cause.
Fired with cause means you don't have to pay the rest of the contract.
Here's a question I have.
I genuinely have this question.
Why is he not fired with cause?
Yeah.
Or is the thinking we should not fire this man with cause because if we fire him with cause,
Then we stir the hornet's nest.
And if we stir the hornet's nest, the guy who led this charge of white collar racketeering, fraudulent billing, medical chart changing, performing surgery on dying children without resources, without infrastructure, without equipment, despite the fact that surgeons were telling their superiors, if we do these surgeries, these kids could die, superior saying, do the surgeries anyway because we want the payday, we don't care about the kid.
So is the thinking by the BOV, is the thinking by the president's office at the time, Jim Ryan?
We should just accept his resignation.
Hope this story falls under the radar.
Hope this story is not something that's reported upon.
And we'll give him the rest of the money, the rest of the contract money.
Have him sign a non-disclosure agreement.
He can never talk about it again because that's better business.
We'll just chalk it up to the cost of doing business.
versus the alternative.
And the alternative is we fire him with cause,
and then he goes to the newspaper,
he goes to Jerry Miller,
he goes to anybody and says,
look at what's been going on in the last 60 months.
The University of Virginia makes a deal with the devil.
And the deal with the devil is,
let's give Craig Kent the five,
I'm just going to use a number,
$5 million.
That's one that's been floated to me.
$5 million pay out for his contract.
He was making one.
point five million a year. So five million dollars is very realistic. I mean you're you're talking
at what three years and change there. Yeah. Right. So five million dollars. We're going to pay them
out and we're going to have them iron, ironclad sign this non-disclosure agreement where he can never
talk about this again or there's financial payback to us, retribution. Business decision. Because if we
don't do this, if we don't cuff him up with what he can say, he can just go to the media and say,
look at all this, you know what that we've been doing
and stir the Horton's nest
and that's just collateral damage
minimization.
It seemed damning if he
gave information on all the messed up
stuff that he himself was in charge of.
Ken hasn't landed anywhere.
Bill McChesney's watching the program, his photo on screen.
He hasn't landed anywhere since his resignation.
However,
Melinda Kibby and Wendy Horton
have landed elsewhere.
was it Kibby in Houston, I believe, right?
I mean, just basic Google searches.
I mean, I have this question.
Melinda Kibby, who is now the
base, you Wendy Horton, search Wendy Horton on Google.
I'm doing Melinda Kibby right now.
She's the president of UT Health Houston.
She, in a lot of ways, was the conciliaria of Craig Kent.
I mean, this is the mafia, this is mafioso tactics here.
She is the president of UT Health Houston.
How much of this spills onto Melinda Kibby at UT Health Houston?
How much of her current employers following these 200?
Well, if they don't watch the I Love Seville show, UT Health Houston,
I mean, somewhere Melinda Kibby and Craig Kent and Wendy Horton are trying to coordinate for us not to talk about this.
And then my response to them, if they try to coordinate about not to talk about this,
is to tell the world that they're coordinating against us to not to talk about it.
I'll have our council say, what do you mean?
The guy can't talk about 239 pages that come out of a Freedom of Information Act requests.
Give me an effing break here.
That's the play.
That's why you're not going to come at me.
Because we're resource savvy and sophisticated as well.
And all you're going to do is give me more fodder for this talk show.
Mark that down.
So does UT Health Houston, do they sit down, Kibby, and be like, dude, what the hell happened here?
and Wendy?
She went to
California somewhere.
Yeah, California and San Francisco.
I mean, how about Horton?
If Kibby's the conciliary,
the top capo is
Horton.
Right?
Yeah.
She was a driver and contributor to the growth
of academic medical center
helping to progress UVA health's
ambitious 10-year strategic plan,
so she was definitely up there.
Jessica Winfield-Lillies photo on screen.
She said, this corruption led to someone dying and another person going blind.
Barbara Becker-Tilly, she says malpractice and malfecent's charges against these doctors.
Jessica Winfield-Lillie says Kent, Kibby, Horton, Jim Ryan, all guilty.
Barbara Becker-Tilly, photos on screen, photos on screen.
Got to keep up here.
Photos on screen.
Barbara Becker-Tilly says,
Craig Kent was a problem, yes,
but Melinda Kibby single-handedly created fear and frustration
into every good leader in the medical center.
She had one-on-one meetings with chairs
and made unreasonable demands,
thus eroding the trust and direction departments needed.
That's Barbara Becker-Tilly.
I would like to talk to someone on the record on this talk show
about what is going on in clarity,
because don't we deserve to know this?
Jessica Winfield-Lilly, UVA used to be one of the best places to work at and for.
And viewers and listeners that are watching the Fine and Fair talk show,
this is challenging to say because in a lot of ways,
the man still walks on water and takes a couple of fishes
and a few loaves of bread and feeds the hundreds.
Jim Ryan, this is stink that sticks to Ryan.
No doubt.
because Ryan was notified on many occasions about the white collar racketeering that was going on.
Starting in 2020, two months after Craig Kent took his position.
And Jim Ryan was there when Craig Kent was hired.
You hired a guy that has a reputation from Ohio State University of doing hostile takeovers
and utilizing mafioso fear tactics to drive profits over patients.
a clear track record of it, just do a basic Google search.
I mean, you can't tell me a multi-billion-dollar organization, UVA Health, can't use Google when hiring its chief executive officer.
Did the vetting process of hiring the chief executive officer for a multi-billion-dollar organization not include Craig Kent,
Ohio State University?
Because I'm going to do it right now.
Craig Kent, Ohio State University.
Oh.
Oh my goodness.
There's trouble at Ohio State University,
and it's on the first page.
So the folks that like to carry
the Jim Ryan
banner and Flannier,
flag, half mask at least today, at least half mask, if not pulling it off the flagpole and
tucking it into the bottom drawer of the armoire. And the more I read about it, and this is important,
the more I read about it is the father of a seven-year-old boy and the father of a three-year-old boy,
the more I read about it, performing surgeries where surgeons are telling superiors, this could
kill these kids if we do it.
And the superiors are telling the surgeons,
you're going to do them anyway,
no matter what?
That mail sign?
Cool.
Is, is...
Oh, yeah.
This guy is lucky he left because...
Is that criminal?
That's criminal.
Is that criminal?
I don't know the law.
I'm not a lawyer here.
Okay.
Is that criminal?
I mean, would you call it...
Would you call it medical malpractice?
I don't know how...
I don't know how malpractice works for people who aren't directly doing the surgeries, the operations.
But, man, this guy's probably lucky he left now that all this is coming out,
because there are probably some parents that would like to go and shake this guy by the collar.
I mean, my dad, there was an issue when I was a kid in the hospital.
My dad grabbed a doctor by the collar and shoved him up against the wall,
And I can definitely imagine that happening to this guy for putting children's lives at stake.
John Blair's comment coming up, number two in the family.
I'm going to read John Blair's comments here at a matter of moments.
John Blair's comments are always fantastic.
I don't know the law here.
Is it criminal to perform a surgery when you document, you don't have the appropriate resources and infrastructure,
staff personnel skill set,
and the surgery you document,
you tell somebody that this could kill them,
but then are told you should do it anyway
because we want the payday.
And I think another story that we're not discussing
is the fraudulent billing,
how does this impact Medicare and Medicaid
in coverage by Medicare and Medicaid.
And you're saying, would they sue the university?
Will they pool coverage?
Do they investigate the University of Virginia
and what's happened over the last years?
And how does a hospital and health system
operate without Medicare and Medicaid?
I'm not sure if Medicare and Medicaid would care
or if they would, I would imagine that there's enough
of all the things that were,
talking about, that one is probably the least enforceable.
But in some ways, the most significant.
I mean, I think that's been, that kind of thing has been going on for so long.
One of our clients has written a book largely about the inadequacies of the medical establishment.
And I think there's certainly some information.
information that while he anonymizes it by making it technically a fiction, I think it clearly shows that stuff like this,
stuff like how you code, how you charge is not an exact science that would be easy to, I think,
litigate.
Maybe this is up Barbara Becker-Tilly's alley
because she's providing fantastic information.
Medicare and Medicaid
and their ability to investigate here.
Because no Medicare and Medicaid,
what is UV, you know,
Barbara Becker-Tilly,
malfeasance means the intentional doing
of something illegal or wrong,
especially by someone in a position of authority
like a public official or corporate executive
involving a deliberate breach of duty for personal gain,
causing harm. It's a serious offense.
Distinct from mere negligence,
misfeasance, are failing to act
non-feasants, and can lead to legal
penalties like removal of office fines
or criminal charges. So she's saying
straight up malfeasance here. John Blair,
number two
in the family, Jerry, I want
to offer this. I do not
criticize the local media, the daily progress
to the Times Dispatch,
because I know they have a lack of resources,
but I think it's worth looking into the
timeline in 2025,
In January, the report on billing is provided to the BOV.
Kent immediately resigns.
Kibby and Horton left in July 2025.
As was pointed out in one of your Facebook threads over the break,
UVA health provides four times the revenue to UVA then tuition.
And yet the entire coverage of the Ryan situation in June and July 2025
focused on nearly everything but the health system situation.
I will not name a name,
but a black nurse at UVA Health Center, who is a friend of mine, and as far left to center and her politics, sent me a cheering emoji the day that Jim Ryan resigned.
It was right, left, all races, all ideologies, all levels of the system.
A ton of people at UVA health were happy the day that Jim Ryan resigned because of what had happened at the health center
and how his administration ignored so many people who tried to let higher-level folks at UVA know what was going on.
Well, valuable comment.
I'm going to respond back to him on LinkedIn.
A plus plus comment, John Blair, publish send.
My DMs are now flooding with medical professionals sending us content about what we're discussing.
If you're tied to UVA health at any capacity, I have a proven track record of honoring off-the-record conversation.
your anonymity, and if you don't want anything tied to you, that is absolutely something that we will promise, and our track record speaks to it.
I get this text message. I'm not going to utilize his name on this one, because I think this is a little bit of a balzy text message, and he wants to know, no pun intended here, a terrible joke, Jerry, especially when you hear what he texts me.
Were any of these elected surgeries related to January reassignment, because that would rock sharp.
Charlottesville.
Jason Noble, his photo on screen, a lot of hospitals around the country are doing criminal
procedures with kids with no repercussions.
I'm left asking the question again why the coverage is so lacking.
And the unfortunate reason the coverage is so lacking is because the health system is one
of the most significant advertisers in the Commonwealth of Virginia.
I mean, just take a look at the naming rights and the branding positions at the John Paul
Jones Arena or Scott Stadium or who underwrites the broadcast for the sporting events on
AM and FM radio or just visit any of the websites online.
I mean, do something really cool here.
or cool is the wrong word.
Check this out, J-dubs.
I find this interesting, okay?
Go to, uh,
excuse me,
NBC29.com.
Tell me when you're on NBC29.com.
You're there?
Just about.
All right.
When you're on NBC29.com,
slide down the homepage.
You see nothing of it, right?
Not on the hero slot
that's above the fold
of the homepage, right?
Right.
Then you see the top headlines.
You see nothing of it, right?
Then you go to the latest video section.
You start selling below the forward.
You see the more news section.
In the more news section, you see something about UVA health,
talking about severe flu season and how they can help.
They're literally reporting on UVA health, but not reporting on this, right?
Yeah.
Like, hey, you just find that curious, right?
same's the case for CBS 19
same's the case for Civo right now
same's the case for the progress
yeah nothing
crickets
deep throat number one in the family
it is absolutely crazy how little coverage
the story has gotten considering that all they have to do
is read a FOIA release that someone else obtained
and paid for yeah
that's right
any 22 year old
that's fresh out of college that's in their first job in media
which is most of the a lot of the reporters here
can do this story
no doubt
he says deep throat honestly
they could just ask chat gbt
to summarize this foia file
yeah right
I mean yeah you definitely don't have to read
200 however many pages
39 250
239 deep throat you don't even need
to have the $12 an hour one year out of college reporter doing any reporting on this.
Philip Dow, the mayor of Scottsville, based on what was said, a lot of this has to be gender-related.
I don't know if I buy that.
I'm not sure what he's alluding to there.
All for more insight, if you could, Philip Dow.
Vanessa Park Hill, the Queen of Earlysville.
For background, I worked in accounting at Martha Jefferson Hospital years ago, but I've never worked for UVA, never involved with coding.
I wonder what she's referencing with that comment.
Is there another comment that she offered there?
Oh, she's responding to, oh, she did leave another comment.
Here's Vanessa Parkill.
The business of health care is so complicated.
Most doctors and professionals providing care and interfacing with patients
hold the patient's interest in the highest regard,
but those people expect to and deserve to be paid.
The hospital does not have a bottomless bucket of money,
and that's the case whether we pay out of pocket, use insurance,
rely on Medicare, Medicaid, or transition to some sort of single-payer system. Ultimately,
those costs hit our pocketbooks, just like any business. It's a bummer for sure. I've had super
expensive, potentially life-saving medication for a loved one delayed by insurance reviews and
approval. Travelers in the healthcare industry were charging top dollar during COVID and still
come in a nice paycheck. Now maybe Kent doesn't take a raise or take a pay cut. I probably don't have
all the answers, but if there's not enough revenue to pay staff, then we're in a pickle. And she's
referencing her time at Martha Jefferson Hospital when she worked in billing. I mean, I've been
passed along a lot of information. I was told that I could use this without attributing any name to
it. The new ortho center on Ivy Road, the new orthopedic center on Ivy Road, that hemorrhages
money. Does not make money. Loses money hand over fist.
I wonder why.
I've been told, just not the revenue generator at once was.
The new Ortho Center on Ivy Road hemorrhages money.
Hand over Fiss, the Mercedes-Benz Center.
That was just very new.
Comments are coming in.
Direct message are flooding into my inbox.
See, like the people want to talk, but they're just so afraid.
Yeah.
I mean, most of these people are...
Okay. Go ahead, Judah. I'm sorry.
I was just going to say most of these people aren't big names.
And we've got Bobby Chabra, who is a fairly big name, I would think, at UVA Health.
Fairly big name. He is the guy.
He's the Derek Jeter. And he's a man of integrity.
And he was pushed out of his own things that he created by Kent.
This comes in from someone who says, do not use my name via DM.
Jerry, thank you for your great work.
I've been following your platform since my move to Charlottesville nearly 10 years ago.
I work in UVA pediatric oncology, a bit of info for today's show.
The transplant issue had less to do with direct profit than it did with getting UVA pediatrics on the best list.
U.S. News and World Report and the rankings.
Having a fully accredited pediatric bone marrow transplant program
raises the visibility of the entire cancer center.
It adds us to those very important rankings that the leadership wants.
Without this, our division was an outlier amongst the other nationally ranked divisions
such as pediatric oncology.
Ultimately, of course, in the end, the effort would result in more profits.
So us being on those lists was extremely important for us.
And this person highlights that our pediatric oncologists are the absolute best.
I've had a number of pediatric oncologists or folks in pedic...
And thank you for that message.
As you can see, I didn't use your name.
I even massaged a couple of words in there that further maintain your anonymity.
It's like health system SEO.
I had a number of folks in pediatric oncology at UVA reach out in direct message capacity.
I haven't used their name in any of them, any of the messages.
And they literally, one of the works that was used was, were exhausted, were tired, were torn, exhausted, tired, torn,
realizing a position that we never thought we would be in
when we put in all this effort to get to this spot as oncologists.
Like, imagine going hundreds of thousands of dollars of student loan,
accruing hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars of student loan debt.
The opportunity cost of some of your best earning window,
your 20s and 30s,
basically being an indentured servant to whatever residency or hospital that you were paying your dues at pledging, basically.
And you go through all that right of passage, you accrue all that debt, all that sacrifice, all that pain and suffering, the lack of sleep, the missed holidays, the missed vacations, the missed life.
You'll never get that 15 years back.
And now you're in this position where you have to navigate a moral,
landscape of performing surgeries on dying children because you're instructed by your boss to do it.
And if you don't, you could lose your job, miss a promotion or worse.
So you have to navigate this moral ambiguity of what's best for my husband and I, my wife and I and
my children and all this debt service that I have to cover every month, but what's also best
for this six-year-old that is dying of cancer? Like, that's like straight up asking right there,
that's like straight up asking the doctor to do the oncologist, do I perform this surgery
that I know is fucking risky as shit? And if I don't, then I can't pay my student loan payments,
pay our mortgage.
Or potentially.
Pay the food for our kids to eat.
Or potentially get another job.
Or get another job because there'll be Scarlet Letter.
Yeah.
That's what these people had to do because of this leadership and how they implemented this
mafioso regime.
It's a catch 22.
This is, right?
This is like the effing mafia here.
This is the definition of hostile takeover.
and whoever gets into medicine thinking that's what they're going to do or have to do.
You get into this, 99.9% of them get into this because they want to help people.
Yeah.
There's way easier ways to make money.
Brokerage, finance, private equity, the law, real estate, trust me, way easier ways to make a buck.
Speaking firsthand, then having to navigate that moral, you know what show.
It's 121.
Everyone's saying here that are amazing doctors.
I want to emphasize this as I close this program.
The doctors at this health system, 99.9% of them are amazing people.
Certainly.
You have, I don't know, the exact number, but it's the top of the food chain that you
utilize hostile takeover tactics to corrupt the spoil, the barrel of apples.
And such as life, that spoilage is unfortunately on everyone.
I mean, the 128 were the heroes.
Stuck their necks out, definitely.
The 128 were the heroes.
Like, the 128 were the heroes.
because they said enough already.
Those are the heroes.
Yeah.
We would be here without them.
I don't want to think what would have happened
if they hadn't written their letter
and made this a public issue.
It probably never would have come out.
Kent, Kibby, and Horton would still be at UVA.
Potentially by now,
we'd be losing more doctors,
leaving the system
because they don't want to comply with orders that conflict with their with their consciences.
I got a 2 o'clock meeting.
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