The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Brent Kelley Joined Nate Kibler Live On “The White Mountain Ministries Show!”

Episode Date: August 14, 2024

Brent Kelley of Ignite Ministries joined Nate Kibler live on The White Mountain Ministries Show! The White Mountain Ministries Show airs live Tuesday from 2:30 pm – 3:15 pm on The I Love CVille Net...work. Watch and listen to The White Mountain Ministries Show on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, iTunes, Apple Podcast, YouTube, Spotify, Fountain, Amazon Music, Audible and iLoveCVille.com.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the White Mountain Ministry Show. I am your host, Nate Kibler. I thank you for praying. I thank you for listening. I thank you for being a part of what the Lord is going to do through this show today. Hey, this ain't church, y'all, but it is all about the kingdom of God, and we are very excited for the show today. My brother, Brent Kelly, is going to be joining the show live from Nashville, Tennessee. It looks to me like he is in his backyard. He has some beautiful scenery, and Brent, as you guys know, is an amazing man of God. He's going to join us. We're going to see him here at any moment, but I just want to say thank you for everybody who is watching.
Starting point is 00:01:10 And one of the, maybe the best way that you can support our show is to share this. If you're being blessed, if you're being fed, share this because we have people that are able to see the show from all around the world that I'm not friends with, that you guys know and they share, and then it's getting spread into other countries. And that's just the power of social media and what some of the things that God is doing through this show. So share, comment. If you are here to watch Brent today, please ask questions because there's going to probably be a part near the end of the show where we're going to pray for people. We may prophesy. We may answer questions.
Starting point is 00:01:36 We'll see what the Lord does on that. But we're going to have some fun. And a lot of times I like to give a little word or a testimony. But today where my heart is to go right to Brent Kelly because this man, he's just, again, an amazing man of God. So much revelation, so many testimonies. And he has a very busy schedule. He has, I believe, seven children, which is a lot of kids. So he has a big responsibility.
Starting point is 00:02:00 And so we're honored that he is with us. So, Judah, if you can put Mr. Kelly on the screen, that would be great. What's up, Brent? You're live. Okay. I'm excited to be here. Thanks for coming on, brother. Hey, so, you know, I like to just share.
Starting point is 00:02:20 You can share a little bit about yourself. But, you know, I like, but you are our kingdom connection for the day. So I like to let people know how we met, what our relationship is, because I'm not just plucking people out of thin air to come on the show. Relationships do matter. And of course, you are somebody who a lot of people know, but we do have a relationship. And you came and I brought you to Virginia. I think it's been you and your beautiful wife, Cessna. It must have been at least two, maybe two and a half years ago now. And you guys spoke at our church at the time. We did a healing, led a healing conference together with John Q in the House of Prayer. And yeah, we spent some good time together. So that is how we met. And really, we originally
Starting point is 00:03:02 met through social media. It's amazing the connections you can have there. So welcome, Brent. Tell everybody a little about yourself. Well, I'm Brent Kelly. I live in Nashville, Tennessee. Lived here pretty much all my life. And I had an early young encounter with the Holy Spirit. Started at seven years old, and then it continued with the
Starting point is 00:03:25 baptism of the Holy Spirit when I was 13. And after that experience, man, my life just, it transformed. And my desire, you know, it went from sports, basketball, which was my passion, even running. Then it just went to preaching the gospel. I got baptized in the Holy Spirit. The next day, I went to school and stood up in the cafeteria and open-air preached the gospel, went into the boys' locker room with David, and that lasted all the way up until I was 21 years old. So what grade was that when you did the open air preaching there? What grade was that? Lord told me to go to a church. I went to eighth grade. Eighth grade. Wow. That is not a normal testimony. Yeah. He saved me from a whole lot. Yeah. No, that's amazing. Keep going.
Starting point is 00:04:21 And so at 21 years old, I went to a church um a woman walked across the front the lord said that's your wife i proposed two weeks later uh we were married five months later we just went on 20 years of marriage with seven kids and uh so we we try to travel as a family when we can um but i travel itinerant around the world and plant churches and preach the gospel. Well, Brent, you make it seem easy for me, man. I have four and I think that's challenging. Why don't you tell us what it's like to have seven children? I know it's a blessing. Well, I mean, you did have three of them at the same time. Yes, you're right. I do have them. You're right.
Starting point is 00:05:02 We certainly have our own challenges. You beat me on there. I don't know what that would have been like to have had three at the same time. I want to say my experience with your wife, by the way, is she is a saint, as is mine. She's amazing. She's just so filled with the love of the Father, and she's really taught me how to love in so many different ways do you hear him children is amazing yeah sorry i was losing you a little bit brand i know we've just for you guys we apologize if there's any technical difficulties today. We've had a couple little issues, but that's okay. So, you know, I wasn't planning on talking about this until later,
Starting point is 00:05:49 but this is something that you and I discussed yesterday. And, you know, the Lord, I don't know where he really taught you through the process. You know, I kind of learned the hard way, always loved my kids, but really when I had three babies at one time in the ministry, in a sense, got shut down and I didn't really understand it. You know, I'm ready to travel the world, but the Lord, there are so many other things through the children that he wanted to teach me. It's not about being seen and heard to be used in powerful ways. My family, my children are my most important ministry. The whole world can love us, but if we don't,
Starting point is 00:06:22 you know, our wife and kids at our own home don't adore us, then we've missed something. And so I know that you are very big on this and, you know, the importance of being a father and our family being our most important ministry. And you're somebody who's ministered all around the world, but I know how much you love your family. So maybe you can talk about that. Well, yeah, I mean, when it comes to family, that's something really the church is starting to focus on now. In the past, we really focused on anointings, you know, and I think we even talked yesterday and I talked about how we focus on the anointing of, let's say, Moses, that Moses was a great leader. He's a great prophet, but he was a terrible father. And the same thing, we can look at David and many of the leaders in the Old
Starting point is 00:07:10 Testament, and we can expound on their anointings, their giftings, and different things like that, but we hardly ever focus on the family aspect, the character aspect. And, you know, I believe that it was God's original plan that we would create family and that family would reproduce his image. And it reminds me of at the time I was driving and the Lord said, do not create your children in your image, create them in mine. And so I had to change the way I parented from taking maybe generational things that I was taught from the way my father parented me to what does it look like to parent within the kingdom and to pull the gold out of our children to bring about character, godly character within our children. And I realized that had to do with me. It had to do with how I represented the king when I was in the house and the big stage. And so many believers, so many Christians
Starting point is 00:08:19 that are in leadership want the big stage. They want to be out in front of the millions. But every time as a father, I walk through my front door, I'm on the big stage in front of my children and my wife. What I say about the father is often spoken more by words I never say, but by the character and how I walk out day to day with my children, they take that and project that upon the Father in heaven. Yeah, that's beautiful. So I don't actually know the answer to this, but I believe that you will answer me honestly. Did that always come natural to you to put family first in that sense? You know, family was always such a big thing you know the story i told about meeting my wife
Starting point is 00:09:08 even praying for my children at 16 family was a big thing but there were things the lord had to out of my life i remember one time the lord spoke to me, um, fits your children will quit having fits. And, uh, when I started realizing that they, they represent beautifully my worst behaviors. And, uh,
Starting point is 00:09:35 so, you know, when we start taking as parents, the responsibility of my behavior, my outbursts, my depression, my anxiety becomes something that they reflect because they see it in me, then that had to cut off a lot of things in my life.
Starting point is 00:09:53 Yeah, that's good. You don't have any videos of the Brent Kelly temper tantrums? I had quite a few back in the day. You know, we're going to stay on this because something you even mentioned yesterday when we were talking about, you know, a nation. We want a nation of evangelists, but really what we need is a nation of fathers. And, you know, so many of us, this orphan spirit, we don't, you know, we see the, believe that the heart of the father is who our natural father was, which in many cases that wasn't a good experience. And we look and we assume that the heart of the father has to be the same in which that's complete lie, deception, as you know, but maybe you can just touch on that too. Well, I think what it, what it comes down to is that
Starting point is 00:10:35 if you take, you know, one time when I was, I had our church here in Nashville, I, I kind of polled the people on a Sunday morning. I said, you know, raise your hand if you came from a dysfunctional family. And then I began to lay down certain things like parents weren't saved. Maybe it was one parent that believed, the other didn't. Maybe it was a divorce. And by the time I'd gone through a list of ideas of dysfunction, 90% of my church lifted up their hands. And then I come to the realization that we pile everybody in church and we say we're
Starting point is 00:11:14 a family, but the overwhelming majority of the people's idea of dysfunction. And so we have to go through and begin to define what the family of God looks like. And then when it came even to the concept of the Father, I would take a question, a New Testament scripture that says, you know, that God disciplines those whom he loves. And then I would ask the people, define discipline. And everybody had a different definition of how god disciplines them and the overwhelming majority of them would say it was how their father disciplined them if they did something if they send what god took them to the woodshed spanking you know or that he pulled yeah he pulled away from he's quit talking to them. It was isolation. We have to redefine what
Starting point is 00:12:07 the father looks like in his personality through Christ. Yeah. I mean, I've always believed as, for me as a father, that even my discipline and the discipline of the father really is an extension of his love. Yes. And, and, and, you know, it's amazing the, the, the, you know, we talk about children and the Holy spirit is to teach us how to look, walk and act like Jesus in all ways. And that's just not the power of God. That's also the fruits of the spirit. And you, my goodness, you talk about what the children can, God can teach us through the children on things of patience and humility and self-control and servant leadership and all those things that we have to learn to be able to really represent Jesus, represent the character of Jesus in all ways.
Starting point is 00:12:53 So, yeah, that's that's good stuff. Brent, so you're an amazing teacher. I'll go ahead and tell the audience this. When I invited you to Virginia. And I saw you minister on stage, I was blown away. And I was like, I was really like, wow, Lord, I mean, this guy, I mean, you represent his heart, the teachings, the power, just the truth that comes through you. And it's amazing. And sometimes, you know, that to people can be even intimidating. And, you know, the to people can be even intimidating.
Starting point is 00:13:26 And, you know, the beautiful thing is, I'm going to say the other side of this, too, is I got spent two days with Brent Kelly outside the church. And you know what? The good news is you're human. Yeah, absolutely. And so I've seen that time soon. And sometimes, you know, guys like yourself, you know, get treated like superheroes. And the reason I'm even getting on this, because we're going to get on the subject. You said you've had this on your heart recently to teach on this about Jesus being fully God and fully man. So maybe you can talk about yourself or maybe putting pastors up on a pedestal because they're moving in signs and wonders or all these, and get into more on the scriptures, too.
Starting point is 00:14:13 Yeah, well, you know, I said to a church the other day, you know, I made a comment before I prayed for everybody, and I said, look, you know, I'm going to pray, and probably every single person in here is going to get hit with the glory of God fall out manifest, or have a demon manifest and be cast out. And it's going to be the most incredible thing that they've ever encountered. I said, but in no way does that say or testify that I'm intimate with God. You know, and a lot of people put moving in the glory, signs, and wonders is on the same level as being intimate with god and i remember benny him one time saying whatever your idea or theology is on benny one so there was a 10-year period where he had the largest some of the largest crusades outside of reinhardt
Starting point is 00:14:59 bunky's own meetings where they would have a million to two million people come to a meeting and many people got healed, many people got delivered. But the reality later on, Benny made the comment that for the past 10 years, he had not been intimate with God or spoken to God within a 10-year period. And so a lot of times people can project that someone is intimate with God because of the works that come through them. But the way I gauge that, if they're intimate with God, is the love they show one to another. That is the gauge for intimacy with the Lord. Is love pouring and filling the gifting and the anointing. And if that is different on a stage than it is off a stage, then it shows me they're not intimate with God. And so there's no great men of God.
Starting point is 00:16:01 There's only a great God that men yield to. But we always want to put somebody up and try to give them a big stage and try to glorify their name when it's only the name of Jesus that every knee bows to and every tongue confesses. And so our ability to be able to reflect praise of man back to God is the thing that keeps and allows the glory of God to not just end when I'm done on a stage, but follow me into the coffee shops and the gas stations and the grocery stores where I always see the same manifestance age in those places. Amen. So talk about Jesus being fully God and fully man. We thank you guys for watching. Hey, write in where you're coming from, where you're watching from. You know, again, we know people watching the show from all around the world. So if you're from a different country, please tell us and get ready to ask Brent some
Starting point is 00:17:03 questions and some prayer requests here at some point. So thank you, guys. Jesus, fully God, fully man. You have some great stuff on this, so can you share? I think that was a question that was asked to me as I was helping plant a church in Germany this year. And the question was, was Jesus all man, all God, or was he the God? I think that's a very important question. There's people that want Jesus to be all God all the time. And the reason behind that is, is because they then can say, well, you know, Jesus did everything and he's perfect because he is God in the flesh.
Starting point is 00:17:47 But Jesus was born in the likeness of Adam. And so what I mean by that is the seed that created Jesus was the seed of God. It was not the seed of Joseph. And there's a lot of people even today that are spreading false accusations, rumors of that that jesus was born of the seed of joseph when it flat out says that it was the holy spirit would hover over mary and that she would conceive the son of god and that hovering over mary was the same as genesis chapter one verse 2 that the spirit of Jesus was born without, I believe, without a sin nature because he had to be born in the likeness of Adam. He had to be tempted in the likeness of Adam so that he could be the last Adam. And we see that personality of Adam even coming out in Jesus when Jesus continues what Adam was commanded to do, which was tend the garden. And of course, we see that Jesus is speaking a parable after parable of gardening, of reaping and sowing and harvest and all these different things.
Starting point is 00:19:02 We see in the old test a physical place called Eden, but in the new test, we have a spiritual place called Eden, and that's our heart. And our heart has now become a spiritual Eden, where according to 1 Peter, that the incorruptible, indestructible seed of a living God has been implanted into our hearts. It's the tree of life that we're upon, and that we gather around. And of course, we also have the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which is our intellect. Our mind is at war against God. That's why we put salvation over our mind. that's why we renew our mind through the word of god daily and so wake up in the morning and we have to choose
Starting point is 00:19:50 which tree we're going to eat of the tree of life which is our spirit or are we going to eat from the mind the the tree of the knowledge good and evil that brings death and destruction within our life. Jesus, born as a man, through the seed of God, and then he was empowered by the Holy Spirit. He became the God-man, which he moved in signs and wonders and miracles. And he set the stage for us to walk just as he walked, to be perfect as he is perfect. Just as he is, so are we in this world, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, that's explained really well and powerful. And I will probably have to go back and listen to that again as well some other people.
Starting point is 00:20:41 So that's awesome i'm giving you the quick right the quick version of it but you know i one of my favorite verses is first john chapter three hides in christ does not sin and that is a very important verse for us to realize that if i'm abiding i'm not sinning but if I'm sinning, I'm not abiding. And so I wake up in the morning to abide, not to try to not sin. All right. So I don't know if you saw my post yesterday on social media, it's on Facebook. It's almost exactly word for word, essentially what you said. This has been a hot button around me and in ministry that I've seen in the past couple of weeks about the whole sin
Starting point is 00:21:26 issue. And I know that you are an amazing identity teacher. So we were not planning to talk about this today, but I do believe that this is the Holy Spirit. And so can you please tell us more on sin, identity of sinner, and just in a few minutes. Yeah. So I talked about that seed of a living God being put inside of us, that we've been given that seed through salvation, but that's in 1 Peter. But in 2 Peter 1, it gives a list, add to your faith, virtue, virtue, patience, patience, godliness, godliness, brotherly kindness, and add to love. And it lists all these attributes of who Jesus is. And this is 2 Peter chapter 1. And it says that these things are in you. How are they in you? Well, they were given to you by that seed that was put inside of you. And it says if these things aren't manifesting,
Starting point is 00:22:26 if you're not manifesting love, if you're not manifesting godliness in your life, it says there's two reasons for that. The first reason is that you're blinded to the faith, but the second reason is that you do not believe you're innocent. And that's a powerful word there, innocent. We as believers are okay with the idea that I'm forgiven. That's easy. Okay, I'm forgiven of my sin, but can I stand there and declare I'm innocent? See, innocence has to be, it comes through a renewed mind. It's not just, and if we don't believe that we're innocent, it says that I can reproduce Jesus. Say, if I was to hold an acorn up, in that acorn is everything needed to produce hundreds of thousands of acorns. Hundreds of thousands of leaves are in that seed and the ability to grow a hundred foot tall oak tree that would live hundreds of years. And then the same way, when the seed of Christ
Starting point is 00:23:32 was put inside of you, everything you needed to produce Jesus in your life is already there. It's in seed form. It just has to be watered through what? Intimacy and relationship with the Father. And he waters it and causes it to increase. So we're so often trying to become holy, we're trying to be righteous, we're trying to be godly, we're trying to become love, when those things are actually abundantly in you, in the seed that was planted inside of you. The way we make those things come out is abiding. And then all of a sudden the fruit begins to become our life. We begin to walk in love, joy, peace, not trying to become those things.
Starting point is 00:24:29 And so the first command, be fruitful and multiply. What were they multiplying? Some would say the children. No, it was multiplying the seed of God, multiplying his image through their children. Now, God had to give that command a second time to Adam. Why? Because Adam sinned. The moment he ate the fruit, it said his eyes became open, knowing all things. And I often tell people, what was one of the first actions of Adam and Eve?
Starting point is 00:25:01 They sewed fig leaves together and they covered something. They didn't cover their whole body. They covered what? Their ability to reproduce. Why? Because they no longer believed they were innocent and they no longer believed they could reproduce as an image. So that was what they covered. Their eyes, they were perverted, and as man parts, so is he. So, we need to understand that he gave the command again, and Adam only could reproduce his image. But when we got born again, we had a seed put inside of us so that we could reproduce the image of Christ in our lives as we walk intimately with
Starting point is 00:25:47 God. Yeah, that's good, man. That is good. Hope you guys are getting this because it's so important. It's so important. Like it's so important to see ourselves the way that God sees us because so many of us, we do not see ourselves the way God sees us. So yeah, I'm going to step on, uh, go, uh, forward a little bit on this. It's kind of in line with this. We talk about representing Jesus and being able to represent Jesus in all ways. Uh, you are, uh, you know, you and I both are really, I like to, I believe we are very bold guys, but you are a bold, really man of God. You are willing to say the tough things regardless of who it offends, I believe, from what I've seen. And, you know, I know that you've had a lot of attacks. You've had, you know, many death threats on your life and a lot of people that have come after you over many years.
Starting point is 00:26:41 So maybe you can talk about some of that boldness, the importance of being bold. Cause so many people, we think that, you know, we're supposed to not really share our faith and, uh, you know, that's just a lie from the enemy. So can you, you talk some on that? Yeah. Well, I always distinguish the difference between boldness and holy boldness. You know, I said, boldness can get you thrown in the, in a pit with lions, like, you know, I say boldness can get you thrown in a pit with lions like, you know, Daniel. But holy boldness shuts the mouth of the lions. And so often we want to be bold, but there's something about holy boldness, meaning that it's coming because of the Holy Spirit is leading you to do something. And so you can put yourself in a situation where you can shout out the name of Jesus and be bold, but you could put yourself in a situation where you may not have the grace in that moment to cover you. And so I often, you know, one time I was
Starting point is 00:27:40 preaching at a church in Denmark, and I was the first time going to this church. I preached that morning. The glory of God just fell on the preaching. And then that night, I was excited to preach again. The house was filled. People were excited to hear me preach. And when I stood up in the front and I went to open my mouth, I heard the Lord say, you're not going to preach tonight. You're going to release the glory. And I remember immediately going to talk to the Lord saying, no, no, no. This is a hard, hard place to do that.
Starting point is 00:28:14 Let me preach for a second. Like I know better than Holy Spirit. And the Lord said, just do what I say. Release the glory. And so I looked at the people. It's packed out. I said, I'm not preaching tonight. The Lord wants me only to release the glory and pray for people. And so I said, come Holy Spirit. And the moment I did, six or seven people started manifesting demons.
Starting point is 00:28:38 They fell to the ground screaming. I called them up front. They made their way to the front. And I heard the Lord say, he said, I asked him, I said, what do you want me to do? And he said, do they are here to steal my glory, walk over to them and go in their ears. That's all I want you to do right now. And so I walked over there. I went, they all fell to the ground and were stuck to the floor silent. And then the Lord said, I want you to begin to pray for people, but not until a certain group of people leave. He said, there's three people here who hate you. And he said, do not start until they leave. So I looked at the crowd and I said, there's three people here.
Starting point is 00:29:30 The Lord says, hate me. And I'm not allowed to begin until you get up and leave. And so there's the door. I need you to stand up from your seat and walk out the door. I waited for about four to five minutes. And then all of a sudden the pastor and two other people stood up and walked out the door. Wow. And then the glory of God fell on the roof. And so the pastor left. Yeah. He had heard about me and was offended by what I do with the Holy Spirit. And so he got up and left and then the glory of God fell on the room. And so there is something about being bold when the Holy Spirit leads you and you know that he's going to save you in that moment. That's what I was going to say. What I'm hearing is always be led by the Spirit.
Starting point is 00:30:15 And Jesus is the lion and the lamb. So sometimes the Holy Spirit is calling you to be the lion. Sometimes he's calling you to be the lamb, right? Exactly. Exactly. And so, yeah, people call up and they try to kill me in meetings. I'll have people write me, say, I'm coming to the meeting to kill your friends. And I've said, go ahead and come. And it's not that I'm fearful. It's not that I'm being reckless.
Starting point is 00:30:37 It's just that I know that greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world. But there is this moment that I have to hold it back and ask the Holy Spirit a quick question. Is this what you want me to do? And being chased by Muslims in foreign countries, trying to kill me, being drugged at a Turkish rug shop in Istanbul during a military coup. I mean, there's just all kinds of crazy stories that I could tell.
Starting point is 00:31:05 You got my producer over here laughing. He doesn't laugh a whole lot. They're all nervous about me going to Kenya. So it's like, you hear these stories. Yeah. God will protect you. You know, if he tells you to do a thing, you know, he'll protect you. You know, if he tells you to do a thing, you know, he'll protect you. Amen. Yeah, that's good, man. So we talked about this yesterday, Simon. I kind of laughed about it because you have a really good perspective on it. And so much of the American church, like all we ever want to talk about is when is Jesus coming back? We're so more fixated on when Jesus is coming back instead of realizing that he's alive and he lives in us
Starting point is 00:31:45 and wants to shine through us. We're just worried about Jesus coming back. And I think you made the comment yesterday, I'll just go ahead and take your line, but we were talking about Africa and we think because gas prices are rising in America that Jesus is coming back next month. Well, there's people around the world that have been living in poverty and chaos for centuries. So maybe you can talk a little bit about what your thoughts are on when is Jesus coming back? Well, I think the first thing, quit interpreting biblical prophecy through first world problems. Just because your candidate didn't get elected, just because gas prices went up. You know, Leonard Ravenhill said it this way.
Starting point is 00:32:26 He said, the bride is hiding in a cave, praying for Jesus to return to escape from the responsibility of looking like the bride. And that's really what it is, is that we don't want to go through tribulation. So instead, we are praying that Jesus would return so that we could escape from a bad day. And, you know, I just wrote a post on Facebook about false prophets prophesying the coming judgment of God toward America. And some people are on there, they're upset about it. But I use the scripture in John 5.22 that says, The Father judges no one.
Starting point is 00:33:09 So think about that. John 5.22, Jesus, out of his own mouth, says, The Father is judging no one. That he has given all judgment to the Son. And so what you have to realize is that in order for Jesus to cast judgment, he has to stand up from the mercy seat. He's seated on the mercy seat. There will come a day where Jesus stands up from the mercy seat, and it is the dreadful day of judgment. But Jesus, out of his own mouth, says this in John chapter 12. He says, if you hear my words and reject them, I do not judge you.
Starting point is 00:33:54 For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. But the words I have spoken will judge you on that day. Jesus left the proclamation on the cross. When he nailed himself to a cross, he said, you're worthy of eternal life. Men are rejecting the blood of Jesus. No one goes to hell for their sins. They go to hell because they reject the blood of Jesus. You know, I said it this week when I was preaching that the gospel only requires two things. It only requires repentance and faith.
Starting point is 00:34:29 It does not require obedience. The gospel does not require obedience for salvation. The gospel produces obedience. I think people need to understand that. That's what the gospel produces. It does not require it. It requires faith and repentance. Jesus is coming when the bride shines the light in the darkness, quits hiding in the churches, and goes out onto the street with the virgins that have the oil in their lamps, and they usher forth his return, not out of fear of hell.
Starting point is 00:35:07 You know, I posted a Spurgeon quote yesterday. If you turn to God in fear of hell, it isn't that you're turning to God. You're not truly repenting. You're just repenting that God is just. And there's a lot of people that stand on the street corner and they scream out, repent for hell is near instead of heaven is near. And so, we've got to preach the right gospel that leads people to repentance. And that's the gospel that Jesus is holding back the judgment that's coming toward this earth, because it's the heart of the Father that none should perish, and that we would repent and turn our lives to him. Hey Brent, this is an add-on question,
Starting point is 00:35:53 because you started talking about obedience, and that's good. So we actually, someone phrased a question to me today. The Lord showed me over the years that, of course, the gifts can become an idol. He showed me in my life that the gifts can become an idol. He showed me in my life that even freedom can become an idol. Do you know the answer to this question? And if so, I would love to hear, because anyways, do you believe that obedience can become an idol? It can, because when we fixate on obedience in the word form, purely in the word form, then it becomes a subjection back to the law.
Starting point is 00:36:32 Instead of obedience to the Spirit, we're not to live necessarily obedience to the law. Now, the law and the Spirit will overlap each other. But it says those who walk as the sons of God, or those who walk by the Spirit are the sons of God, not those that walk in accordance to the law. And so we need to understand that obedience has to come from the voice of Holy Spirit and obedience to conviction instead of just trying to walk out righteousness from a fleshly standpoint and try to be obedient to the law because we think that makes us have right standing with the Father. That's when it becomes an idol. All right. Thank you, Brent. So I know over the course of however many years you've been in ministry, I guess since the eighth grade. Yeah. You have, you've seen at
Starting point is 00:37:34 least one or two miracles and healings, right? Yeah. Oh, absolutely. I'm just trying to keep you humble, brother. You have all kinds of amazing testimonies. Is there anything like a couple of testimonies you can just share that are on your heart or just things that you've seen God do? Yeah. So I haven't shared a lot online or anything. I used to probably about five, six years ago, and then I stopped. And I found myself in a situation where I wasn't impressed by miracles. I thought maybe I was in a bad place and asked the Lord, am I in a bad place? And he said, no, you're in a good place. Because I was not trying to look for a miracle to happen. I was just looking at the word being established in hearts. And then the miracle took place. But, you know,
Starting point is 00:38:25 from one meeting, being in a room with an 80-year-old woman that jumps up and screaming, you know, I want it, I want it. I asked her what she wanted. She said she was blind. She wanted to see. I licked my thumb, stuck it in her eyes, prayed a quick prayer. She fell out in the spirit, jumps up screaming, I can see, I can see. I mean, miracles, signs and wonders. I often say it this way. I'm 100% in seeing blind eyes open and deaf ears and the lame walk when the Holy Spirit tells me to do something. And I think that's extremely important. Sometimes we're trying to practice something instead of just being obedient to what the Holy Spirit says. We had a girl struggling with blindness in Denmark that opened her eyes. Her eyes were completely healed.
Starting point is 00:39:21 It went around all Denmark. Prayed for the dead and watched them come back to life. A little boy. I see probably about 800 plus miracles a year in just healings. I don't really post much. You won't really find them that often on my newsfeed. Um, partly because I want to see it work. You know, I want to see what happens and what progresses in the person's life. Um, so a lot of my testimonies that I'll share are usually one to two years old. And I do that on purpose because I've seen people get prayer for cancer and stage four cancer leave and then I've watched them revert back to fear and then in six months later cancer comes back and the last thing I want to do is write a post about them and their story and their testimony
Starting point is 00:40:18 I'm with you man I try to be really careful I often wait as well because you just like you said well sometimes that's why I get you know know, people that are like talk about their healing percentages and all that. There's people who say they got healed that weren't. There's people who didn't know they got healed and five days later they are. And like you said, sometimes, you know, they allow that darkness, whatever infirmity it is, it comes back. So, you know, I'm with you on that. Yeah, I really protected, I had a guy want to come and he, he had seen some of the miracles that in the meetings and stuff. I mean, you've witnessed what happens in a meeting, you know, from people getting healed that have been raped, all kinds of different things. And, and I, he asked me, he said, can I put some testimonies? And I said, yes. I said, but I'm telling you personally and you've got them in the video, and they're friends and relatives, and they're not healed.
Starting point is 00:41:32 I said, so be cautious with that. And I think that's why Jesus also at times allowed the person to give the testimony. So a lot of times there's famous people, musicians, politicians, all kinds of famous celebrities that I have prayed for privately behind closed doors that I never give the testimony out loud. That's their testimony. I know you and me are on the same page with this because we're talking about healing, but that kind of goes hand in hand with deliverance. We love showing videos and casting out know, casting out devils and that's, you know, it's important, but I want to see the videos and the testimonies of the ones two, three years later that are still, you know, that have been completely transformed and are still free.
Starting point is 00:42:18 Absolutely. I have done thousands of deliverance sessions because my parents were deliverance ministers when I was a kid. So I saw a lot of deliverance even as a young kid into teenage years. And I probably only posted one video of a deliverance, and it was a young girl. And the only reason I did it is because it sparked this desire in the father who saw his daughter possessed, and he prayed the prayer of faith, and she got free. And so I only posted that one video, but when it comes to deliverance, I am not going to put people's worst moments on social media to get a Facebook like. And especially in a day and age when people are vetted for jobs and positions through social media, people are – I have people that come to me and they're boards of – on banks and different companies and different things like that. That is – I will not give the devil the opportunity to be seen in that type of way on social media.
Starting point is 00:43:29 I mean, for what it's worth, and this is not for me to judge anyone else, but when I'm in the moment and being led by the Spirit and I'm praying for someone to be healed or delivered, I'm thinking about that person. I'm not thinking about what it's going to look like for me and my social media or the show or anything else. Yeah, I had a guy wanted to go around and he was filming me. And I think he had the camera shoved in someone's face when I was ministering to him. And I turned around and I grabbed the camera and threw it. I just said, get this camera out of their face and get on the ground and pray for people. Like, that's just not my thought in that moment. Hey, Brent, share the ice cream story because that was always one at the gas station. I know you had something years ago that went, I guess it literally went viral, didn't it? It was a really cool story.
Starting point is 00:44:19 Yeah. Yeah, so it was my anniversary and I took the kids out to give my wife some time alone and we went to an ice a sonic ice cream and um we're getting ice cream and as i'm pulling out i really i i see on the side mirror a man kneeled beside my car and uh so i'm watching trying not to hit him as i'm backing out and when i get out of my parking spot, I look over and I see this old man. He's elderly, probably in his 80s. And he's got this towel over his wife in the passenger seat. And he's spoon feeding her ice cream.
Starting point is 00:45:02 And I can tell that she's probably had some type of stroke. She was paralyzed. And so I could only assume that this 80 year old man is picking her up, putting her in the car, spoon feeding her. And I go to drive away and I hear the voice of the Holy Spirit say, drive around and take a photo. I said out loud in the car, no, that's weird. My daughter was like, who are you talking to? I said, the Holy Spirit told me to take a photo. And right when I went to exit the parking lot, he said, turn around and take the photo. So I did.
Starting point is 00:45:35 And I took a really awkward picture of him. And later that night, I posted it on Facebook. I felt led to. And I just talked about the Father's love, that this is what love looks like. And the next morning, I had over 5,000 friend requests, Fox News, Today Show, CNN. Everybody called me that day. And within four days, it was viewed by 400 million people around the globe. And I had Sonic Ice Cream wanting to give me a big check,
Starting point is 00:46:07 wanting me to take a photo with the old man and stuff like that. I just wrote all of it off. I literally just signed an associate press release form and said, I don't own the rights to the photo. And I just spent the time preaching the gospel. People Magazine shared it and then shared my website, asked me if I'd be on the show. I feel like there's a reason that the Lord had me ask you that because we're sitting here talking about not videoing and not making the hype and all that. And that's where our hearts are. But that doesn't mean that we make it a method because there are still times where the Lord would potentially and will call us to do those things with specific intent yes because that vote even the video that i took of the young girl going
Starting point is 00:46:55 through deliverance went viral on another um social media out for uh uh platform so um but that photo like i i wanted to delete it because I had over, I think, 25,000 friend requests in a week. I had just 5,000 publications personally reached out. It's all over the Internet even today. And it goes viral probably about two times a year. I just preach the gospel. But when People Magazine shared it, they shared my website, which had my phone number. So people would call me at 2 a.m. about to kill themselves,
Starting point is 00:47:33 saying that I will never know love like that. And I would have to get out of the bed at 2 a.m. and minister to a person that's broken and lead them to Jesus. And so God used it in the most beautiful way. I didn't quite love the process of it. I like a little bit more privacy, but God definitely got the glory out of it. Yeah, that's awesome. Hey, so I'm going to give an opportunity here to pray for some people or maybe if some people have questions. So a couple of things for the viewers out there that are watching live. I'm not always, we don't do this too often where we do the prayer requests live. Most of the people who watch the show, 98% of the people who watch the show are actually not watching live, but we do want to give people an opportunity who are watching
Starting point is 00:48:19 live to benefit from that. And we've seen some beautiful things happen through our ministry time. So I'm about 30 seconds to a minute behind is what it normally seems to be for whatever reason. So if you guys have questions for Brent, if you have prayer requests, if you need healing in your body, anything like that, feel free to please let us know now. And Brent and myself will pray for you. Share the show, guys. We appreciate the shares. That's how so many people get reached is through shares. So please share the link to the show. And so we'll give it a minute here.
Starting point is 00:48:53 And if you are watching on Brent's page, I am not sure that I can see the request or the comments on Brent's page. So I don't know. So if you're watching on Brent's page, you want to comment, and I don't see them coming through, then go to my page, Nate Kibler, and comment on that. But while we're waiting to see if anybody reaches out on that, Brent, I always ask people this towards the end of the show.
Starting point is 00:49:17 Do you have anything? Because you have, look, you and I have actually walked the streets of the downtown mall together with our wives, if you remember that. And it's really interesting because, you know, it's historically a dark place. And it's specific intent that the Lord has called us here to where this show is and what we're being called to do. So you've been to Charlottesville.
Starting point is 00:49:37 The Lord, I believe, placed you strategically for what you carry and seeds that were planted here. So do you have anything on your heart for the city of Charlottesville or for the show in general? Yeah, I mean, you know, I loved Charlottesville. I mean, you know, I'm a history guy. So, you know, I do a lot of studying, especially Revolutionary War, that type of stuff. And, of course, I understand, too, what happened, of course, years ago there in Charlottesville with the riots and all that kind of stuff. And how they overgeneralized some things and created some chaos there. And I think, you know, my heart is this, that, you know, I think of John when Jesus says,
Starting point is 00:50:28 if you forgive sins, whatever sin you forgive, I'll forgive, and whatever you remit, whatever you hold, I'll hold, that we as the church have the opportunity to release life and death, even over cities. I think sometimes such judgment that we see come across, let's say, Louisiana, New Orleans, and all that stuff is because we as the church, as a church, are constantly cursing a place rather than speaking life into it. And I think that as the church, we're called to destroy hell. And I love what I'm seeing with several of the different groups there in Charlottesville, whether it's Charlottesville House of Prayer and different ones that I've visited, that just have a desire
Starting point is 00:51:19 just to release prayers and intercession over Charlottesville, to see a move of God in Charlottesville, and just also remind the church, you know, quit praying for God to move and become a move of God. At the same time, God is waiting for us to move. He's waiting for us to shine, for us to go out in the streets. And so I really want to just speak encouragement over the church that, you know, I'm not someone special. It's not like all of a sudden I have some special anointing. I just, I read the book of Acts and I realized that it's the only book in the New Testament that doesn't have amen at the end of it, because it's an unfinished book. And the acts of the apostle, the acts of the church are still
Starting point is 00:52:09 happening today. And if we'll just believe the gospel, these signs will follow those who believe. And so we need to go out into the streets. We need to go out in the churches. And we also need to understand that there's a revival coming to the church where we thought it's a revival in the church building. I see a revival that's coming to the dinner table where the Lord is going to create opportunities where the church begins to really host these dinners that the lost come to where they sit down and it's for the sole purpose of ministering to the broken that we as the church are going to stop just congregating with ourselves, but we're going to open our homes up to the broken, the lost, the weary,
Starting point is 00:52:59 and we're going to see revival begin to happen around dinner tables and around living rooms. Hey, Brent, pray for, we have a couple of prayer requests coming in. I don't know if you know this person personally or not, but it sounds like maybe you do because it sounds, anyway, Brent, if you will pray, this is from Sabrina. Do you know Sabrina Ingram by chance? Yes, I do. Okay. Well, Brent, she asked if you would pray for Emma for her sleep. It's been two years of her waking up on average of 20 to 30 times a night. I meant to ask it the other day before I left. Okay. So Laura, we just pray for Emma right now. We just pray for her heart, for sleep, for rest, whatever is waking her up at
Starting point is 00:53:47 night, whatever is just not still inside of her, or if there's something even around her, the atmosphere, or something even demonic, if it's spiritual, Lord, we just curse it right now in the name of Jesus. But Lord, we just pray over little Emma right now. And we just ask that tonight that the peace that passes understanding, just the presence of just Jesus will enter that room. And Lord, that she will be quieted in her heart and in her sleep and sleep the entire night in Jesus name. We declare that. Yes. In Jesus name. So Chris said, pray for his brother, please guys. He has symptoms of Alzheimer's disease. He's getting better, but not yet. He needs healing. And this is Chris from, I guess the UK. Okay. So we pray for Chris's brother right now. And we just speak
Starting point is 00:54:39 to the brain cells that have shut down, uh, the brain activity that has been lost. And Lord, we just pray over his mind that it would begin to open up again, that connections would be made, that he would have complete healing over his mind, his memory. And even from the top of his head to the very soles of his feet, we just rebuke any infirmity, any attack of the enemy, and we just command his flesh to be healed in the name of Jesus. Yes. Someone just said, I wish our church was open to this. Don't we wish that most churches were open to this, right, Brent? I don't know if maybe you can leave us on that.
Starting point is 00:55:21 Do you have any comments on that, to that question or comment? Yeah, the hardest part is sometimes we want to go in the churches and we want to change the church. And sometimes what happens is we're waiting for someone else to do something. We're waiting for someone else to encounter revival. And it's much like in the Old Testament that people were waiting for Moses to come back down from the mountains so Moses could tell the people what it was like to be around God. And so what I say to you is become the move of God. Become revival. You can carry a move inside of you.
Starting point is 00:55:56 It may not be accepted and show your church what God is willing to do and be victorious in destroying hell in your city. And you might come to find out that your church might open themselves up when they see you walking in that with character and obedience to the Holy Spirit. Yeah, we're going to end on that. We have one minute left. This isn't our show. We're going to pray for one more person and we'll go. So David said, I've prayed for my wife many times. She's had back surgery and lost feeling in her legs. I've prayed for others and they are healed. I don't understand what's happening. So maybe instead of talking about
Starting point is 00:56:39 what's happening, we just declare healing over your wife right now in the name of Jesus. I just declare that every vertebra in her spine is completely restored. We speak to the swelling, to the inflammation, to every disc, that all the swelling and inflammation go, that every disc is completely restored and all the pain and any infirmity causing it to leave in the name of Jesus. I don't know if you have anything else on that, Brent. No. No, we just speak any neuropathy, any issues with the nerves, just be healed. Sciatica, be healed. All the muscle spasms go. Any disc, any issues with pinched nerves in the disc,
Starting point is 00:57:22 we just command them to release and complete healing over her spine and her back in Jesus' name. Amen. So brother, it's been fun. Gosh, such a good show. Lots of good feedback and texts already coming through to me. So thank you. I knew it would be awesome and it was fun. And so thank you for being with us, man. Thank you so much for hosting me. And we just thank all you guys for watching. Thank you for being with us. We just speak life and love and healing over your minds, over your bodies. And so next week we're going to have Shane Lilly on the show. He's an amazing man of God. He's a regional leader, and he's going to bring some fire.
Starting point is 00:57:50 So we're excited to have Shane. And bless you guys, and have a good week. God bless. Thank you.

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