The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Bridgid Eversole, Justin Mutter, Leanne Clement, Caroline Worra & Matthias John On "Today y Mañana!"

Episode Date: March 20, 2025

Bridgid Eversole and Justin Mutter of Alula, Leanne Pettit Clement and Caroline Worra of Charlottesville Opera & Matthias John of Matthias John Realty joined Alex Urpí & Xavier Urpí On “Today y Mañana!” “Today y Mañana” airs every Thursday at 10:15 am on The I Love CVille Network! “Today y Mañana” is presented by Emergent Financial Services, LLC, Charlottesville Opera and Matthias John Realty, with Forward Adelante.

Good morning everyone and welcome to Today Imanana. I'm Alex, this is Michael. We're super excited to have you joining us on a beautiful morning here in Charlottesville, Virginia. Michael, how are you doing? I'm doing good. I'm happy the weather's warming up. Like Xavier would say, he's like, I feel the energy, I'm more energetic. He's like an insect that's got more energy from the son. Xavier kind of does the same thing. I think he gets excited because now he's starting to already plant his little seeds,

and they're becoming little, little plants. They're moving from the basement, maybe, out into the wild. Well, not yet. No, they're still growing, but they're this big. They're just popping up. So he gets excited and energetic about that. He won't get up early for work, but when it comes to watering the plants, he'll be up at 6.30

to go water his plants. He always did from such a rough time when he's not here. That's what we're here for. That's what we're here for. Then he'll ask, what did you guys say about me? We said only nice stuff. Exactly. But we have only nice things to say about some fantastic guests that we have lined up for today.

We're going to be joined shortly in the show by Bridget Eversole, the CCO, and Justin Mutter, CHO of Alula, followed by two of our favorite people to come on as well, Leanne Clément, General Director, and Caroline Mutter, CHO of Alula, followed by two of our favorite people to come on as well, Leanne Clément, General Director, and Caroline Moore, Artistic Director from Show Arts for Opera, talking about something you can go see next weekend. So we're not talking months away, we're talking next weekend. And then last but certainly not least, Matthias Jone from Matthias Jone Reutli is going to be joining us for our monthly meetup.

So we got a huge, fantastic lineup in store for everyone today, and so we're really excited to just be here to have everyone tuning in. Excited of course to be on the Aleph Seaville Network with our fantastic presenter Emergent Financial Services and our amazing partners, Shoros for Opera, Matias Jhon Realty, Ford, Amelante, and of course all of you that watch are our amazing community and partners. So we appreciate everyone who is tuning in. Be sure to send us any questions, comments, likes, shares, whatever amazing stuff you

want us to say about our guests. We read only the good comments because there only ever are good comments. So that's what we love. Who could have a bad comment about today? No, I mean, yeah, exactly. And plus, I mean, all our fantastic guests, I mean, there's only amazing things to say about the work that they do in our community to just bring, whether it's health or music or a home.

A home. Or wisdom. Or wisdom. It's all there. It's all there. So I don't know about you, but I'm excited to jump right in. We got three guests. We got to jump right in.

We got three sentiments. We always jump right in. Quick shout out, though. Already have to jump right in. We have three sentiments. We always have to jump right in. Quick shout out, though. We have some people tuning in. Nick Erpey is watching. Monique Miller from Montana is tuning in. Monique always watches when Matias is here. Monique is a big fan of Matias. She's tuning in this morning to see you joining us.

So without further ado, we are happy to welcome to the show this morning Bridget Eversole, the CCO, and Justin Mutter, CHO of Alula. Bridget, Justin, thanks so much for coming on this morning. Thanks for having us. It's a joy to have you on. Bridget, you've been on, of course, the Tonecha Witch, the wonderful Sharwixville Opera, but maybe for this time, maybe since you're both also co-founders of Alula, maybe we can start just tell us maybe a little bit your stories of how you came to first be involved with Alula and and how it kind of came into being. Right so about five six years ago we had my parents come

relocate to Charlottesville and we ended up being caregivers for them. My dad has Parkinson's. My mom has cognitive impairment. And we had a lot of curveballs thrown to us throughout the years. And my parents had done everything, quote unquote, the right way. And we were still kind of, we felt like we were just treading water all the time, trying to figure out how to adjust and adapt as things happened.

And so my husband, who has a background in strategic planning and also the tech world, he's a fixer. And he said, well, how can we make this better for people? And so he said, I think there's a way we could use tech, not for tech's sake, but just to help people to streamline caregiving, to streamline the whole process. And me being a musician and an educator said, well, we have to remember it's all about the

people and having the empathetic, compassionate side as our focus. So fast forward a few years, we went to a program at the center that Justin was giving on dementia and Alzheimer's, and I sobbed my way through the whole program. And so at the end we said, okay, we need to get him on board with this company. And so that's how we met Justin. And if you can.

Yeah, and it's, I mean, caregiving is almost a ubiquitous uniform challenge for many adults, many families all throughout this country and certainly in central Virginia. And I work as a geriatrician in town and I have worked very closely with many families in my career who are going through this challenge. And I've also experienced it personally with my family.

And caregiving is just one of those things that unfortunately there's no perfect roadmap. There's no precise way that we can do things every single time that is gonna put us right where we wanna be. And so we all need help. And that's why we founded Alula to really bring people together onto this platform to figure out

how can we help one another better? How can we serve our loved ones better? How can we create communities and sustain communities of support as we walk through this journey together and trying to help our loved ones. Absolutely, which of course leads us to our big question. So what is Alula? So Alula is a platform and what's really interesting is it's evolved so much. The more we've talked to people, interviewed people, caregivers, professional and family caregivers, friends,

we've adjusted as we've gone through the process. So it's a platform where you can have everything in one place. So I'm one of five children. We're all over the world. And rather than having to call each person every time something happens or, and for big things, obviously I would, but it's just a place where we can have all of my parents' documents in one place. We can have, you know, all of the updates of doctor's appointments or medicine, have

their medicine in one place. They're, you know, and just seeing, like the other day, my husband took my daughter and my mother out for nails. So there's a picture of him taking them out for their nail day. And so it's a place where we have the social aspect. We also have a calendar, the document storage, like I said. So it's kind of like a one-stop shop,

just to streamline everything to keep it as simplified as we can. Because caregiving is not easy, it's sometimes really frustrating, but it's also can be the most rewarding thing that we can do. And so this is just, again, trying to help simplify and take off some of the pressure for the caregivers.

Yeah, yeah, I'd like to say I was built by caregivers for caregivers and also for care recipients, those who are receiving the care. And you know, as Brzee was saying, you can go and do so much on the platform in one space and it's not just there for communication, it's like kind of like a social network for the care team, but it's also there to coordinate that care, make it easier, make it simpler, so that everybody gets the care that they need and deserve. And so does Lula work as like an app or is it like an online platform where you kind

of like log in and it has multiple users? How does it work in that? So we are just releasing it right now. Right now it's just on your computer or phone, but the app is coming, so stay tuned. But there's also a big educational component to it as well. For me, I know when I was looking, I was trying to educate myself so much on Parkinson's, dementia, everything, and there's so much noise out there. And so part of what our goal is too is to have a place where people can come and have very clear ideas of what's going on. My father has hypostatic orthotension. Is that what

it's called? Orthostatic hypotension. Orthostatic hypotension. Sorry. That's why I have him there.. I worked on the same exact day today. That's why Justin's here. That's why he's on our team. So we'll have a place where you can just, there it is, something about that. Or my loved one has been falling. What is a good fall device? There's again so much noise out there and we want to make it as efficient as we can because we want in this time to be able to spend quality time with our loved ones.

Yeah, I mean, at any given point in this country, nearly a third of adults are spending 20 hours or more caring for an aging parent. I mean, that's a huge number, right? And so this is something that, if we're not experiencing right now, we're gonna experience it soon. And so we really want to be able to bring that product so that people can have the best experience possible

caregiving for those who they love. Absolutely. So it sounds as a combination where, obviously you can have your tight-knit group that has access to the documents and so forth, but you're able to also connect to other people going through the same care and every task and get their advice on what they've seen that works or maybe some curated information that goes out as like, okay, yeah, here's an article about different tools you might use that have helped other people in this

situation. different tools you might use that have helped other people in this situation? Yeah, and in the spirit of being able to help people get to important information efficiently, we're working on building in AI into the system so that, say there's a support group that's using the platform as they talk with one another about their experiences and how best to care for those that they're caring for. And they're struggling with one particular issue, many of them, and the AI can pull that out and say, oh, you're really struggling with how to prevent falls. Here's three resources from the Alula platform that can help you solve that problem. And so we want it to be quick, we want it to be fast, and we want it to be super informative for everyone.

Fantastic. What would you say, I mean, in your experience, what are some things in particular that you've noticed people struggling with, caregiving teams struggling with, that other, I mean, it may be things that you think AlulaULU specifically can help with or things that you have seen that as people use the app, where they go onto the platform, they'll be able to get in touch with information to help them with that. And what are some of the challenges you guys

are particularly seeing out there? I think certainly there are many challenges, but early on one of our big areas of focus is understanding dementia, understanding the journey that one has with dementia, not only the person suffering from dementia, but also the family who is struggling to figure out how best do I care for this person. And the challenging thing about dementia for many people is that the ways in which we engage with one another

in a normal way tend to be unhelpful or inefficacious for caring for our loved one. And so thinking about what we call dementia-related behaviors, someone who's forgetting a lot, someone who may get frustrated or agitated at things that they used to not get frustrated or agitated about. How do we then respond in ways that are loving and effective and really help that person thrive

in their environment? So that's one of our key areas is really helping people care for people living with dementia. And I think one of the things to remember is that nobody's journey is the same. So there's, you know, with I have a Parkinson's choir, for example, and I have, you know, 20 people with Parkinson's who come off and on and nobody's Parkinson's presents the same way. And it's the same thing with dementia.

Everybody's journey is slightly different. And so that's what I think where the compassion and just understanding and just having somebody there who's been through it and who understands it is really important in that connection. That's the beauty of bringing people together in a platform is we learn from one another, right? Even though each of our journeys may be a little different,

each of our challenges may be a little different from one another, we're right there, and we're ready to share best practices and experiences with one another. Exactly. Well, sometimes it's just a matter, too, of knowing that you're not alone. Like, I mean, you can, some people haven't even

heard the statistics, right? But even if you have, sometimes it just seems like a far off number, like, yeah, but okay, a thousand people, you're dealing with this. It's like to then be able to go on and say, oh, yeah, I'm dealing with the exact same situation, don't worry, you'll get through it, you can do this, that kind of, because I think sometimes, of course, the person you're caring for, right, you as the caregiver are naturally going to encourage them and try to help them. But sometimes there isn't the person encouraging the caregiver, like, you've got this. You can do this.

I'm going through the exact same thing. So the isolation often can just fall on the caregiver because they're just pouring it all out to help and no one's kind of there saying, yeah, I've got you. Right. Yeah. And I mean, caregiving is a very beautiful thing. It's an amazing thing. It's an incredible privilege.

But it's also really hard and it's also can be quite isolating. And so when, and many caregivers, including our experiences, are going about their day jobs, right? So they're also very, very busy. And so, right, being able to bring people together out of that sense of isolation and say, we're all in this together, we're all experiencing many similar things, let's talk together, let's figure this out. That's what Alula is all about. And I think it's like you said, many people may not find themselves in this situation until they are there, right?

And one thing that really struck my husband and I, and my dad had many retirements, but in his final retirement, somebody said to him, so how does it feel to be retired? And he said, well, it's not what I expected. He wasn't planning to have Parkinson's. None of us are planning to have these conditions. And I think that's one of the things when it does happen, we just want to be there to

help people. Exactly, yeah. Because it's never something that, it always means it hasn't gone according to plan. Right? Because you'll never plan that part out. Exactly. Right? So it's never plan that part out. Exactly. Right? So it's always... But I think it's great also, too, in a sense of encouraging people to maybe step into that role. I remember watching the Blue Zones guy and about helping

people with longevity. And so many of his examples were having the elderly in community, when either they were living in the house with numerous extended family or some kind of close-knit thing as opposed to being isolated. I don't think there's no one close to them caring for them. And I remember thinking, okay, that's well and good. I see how that contributes to their longevity, but the people around them need to know how to, need help to do that, right? Because part of the reason that some, that someone may end up alone in a nursing home is that the people around them don't know how to be caregivers, right? Or are unable to do so. So if we're going to,

if we want that kind of longevity, we need people that have access to resources like this that help them to say, okay, I actually can take you into my home or be in close-knit community as a caregiver for you because I have tools that enable me to do that. I mean, are you seeing any kind of movement towards people saying, I actually want to take this on a little more because I recognize it can contribute to a better quality of

life and longevity. Yeah absolutely I mean I think care works best when it is personalized care when it is focused on the individual and all that they are and their uniqueness right and so the platform platform, as we build it out, we want the platform to be able to open people up to what's going on in the community that they might be interested in so that they can find transportation and get out to that event or whatever.

Say you're someone that loves the opera or say you're someone that loves baseball, right? Then the platform could say, did you know that in two weekends' time there's this opera event? Or say there's this great baseball game in town that you can go to and can even show you, oh, well, here's three ways you can get transport to that event.

So we want to build that capacity out over time within the platform as well so that again care can be personalized to exactly what someone is looking for and so they can keep thriving. And with our world now everybody is you know families are spreading out we don't have that nucleus very often and so this is a way to even, you know, 11% of family caregivers live over an hour away from the person that they are, you know, caring for. And this is a way, again, just to have them be a part of it and just be connected, which is really important. Absolutely. Love when we get the interaction with others.

Matias asks, what does the Lula stand for? This is really great. We lost my mother-in-law this past summer. My husband came home. He was able to be with her for the last three months. He came home and he saw this murmuration of birds. He said, I think that's something that we need, the murmuration. And me being the linguist, you know, the opera singer, said, that's a terrible name, murmur, you know.

And so we talked to Justin, who is our wordsmith, and he came up with Alula. Yeah, the Alula is an extra appendage on many birds wings that helps them fly either in formation or alone, but also helps them land. helps them fly either in formation or alone, but also helps them land. And so for us, it was just a beautiful metaphor for what we are trying to do. We are trying to help one another thrive, we're trying to help one another fly,

but also have nice soft landings, right, when we need them, so that's the goal. That's a beautiful use of wordsmithing. Very well done. And I love the idea behind Alula, because I know our grandmother got placed in a nursing home and when we were visit, it was difficult because sometimes I worry that nursing homes are important and necessary, but if a lot of the older people sometimes I see them,

it almost felt like they were just there almost waiting to die. And it's a terrible feeling just seeing that and just, because again, it's like they're not seeing anybody that they know, anybody that they love. And I think it'd be really great to have these tools available. Because like you said, we live in an information age where everything you can just Google, but let's be honest, you Google something and you get 500 answers and you're like, which is the one that's for me, which is best? It's always great to have people been like, hey, listen, this is what I did and this is what I worked because that's what we want.

We want someone to say, hey, this worked for me, why don't you give it a shot versus it's like, you're trying to figure out, is this article right? Is this one makes sense? I mean, nobody knows. We've never been in this boat. You can't prepare to care for an older individual. It's not like caring for children, ways that people,

this is difficult. So I think this is kind of a great platform for people to kind of share those experiences. And then again, you know, it would be great to kind of avoid putting people in their nursing homes because like I said, I've been there and seen the people there and it can be difficult sometimes.

Yeah, it's challenging. We wanna help people truly thrive. And that's wherever their environment may be. If they are in an assisted living community or if they're still living in their original home, we want them to be able to thrive in that environment. And so we want to, how do we use the platform to build those support services around them? Absolutely. Well, which leads us to, oh, quit shout out to Brighton Wirt watching the show.

He said he remembers Bridget you taught him music theory. He remembers you fondly. I hope fondly. He appreciates. You never know. I know he does. I know that class that he was in. So he always appreciates that.

So he's watching the show this morning. Thanks for tuning in. Of course, last question, which in this case is a big one, where can people go to find the platform? Right. So we are relaunching our website, and hopefully today it is there live, though. And you can go to www.alulaathome.com. And at is spelled out.

It's not the at symbol. So alulaathome.com. Perfect. And at is spelled out, it's not the at symbol. So alulatome.com. At home.com, perfect. And that will kind of be your one stop shop for all the information you need. So we definitely encourage people, really encourage people to check it out. Thank you both so much for coming on. Thank you. You're doing great important work, so we really appreciate it. Thank you.

Thank you. Thanks for coming on. All right, so be sure to check that out. Alula at home dot com. Spelled out completely. It's not like email. Spelled it out. And so you got everything that you need there. Shout out to Matisse for that great question about Alula. Yeah. It slipped our minds.

It really did. It really did slip my mind. And Justin gave us his beautiful story behind it. I was like, oh, okay. I would have just thought that it was one of those like, it sounds nice, so let's see. Yeah, exactly, but it's actually a great story. It's beautifully done. So be sure to check that out. And from one pair of amazing guests to another pair of amazing guests. I'm actually excited for this because it's been a while since I've been on with Caroline Lee. I think last time Nick pinched my spot and stole it. When it comes to opera, Nick will certainly be there.

Exactly. Because Nick foolishly booked himself an HVAC appointment this morning, I get to be on with Leanne and Caroline. So we're excited to welcome this morning Leanne Clamont, General Director, and Caroline Ward, Artistic Director from Charlottesville Opera. Leanne. Caroline, thanks so much for coming on. Thanks for having us. It's always a joy to have you both. So I mean, especially Caroline, I know you came from

the airport to be here. I made it. We love the dedication. Yes, she dedicated. Truly dedicated to it. We appreciate it. But maybe we could start off. I mean, last time I was on the show, so a couple of weeks ago, we had on Karen and Keith Fares. Yes. And we were talking about the duet.

I think it was the last of the duet. It was, that's right. So just wanted to ask you guys, how did the whole series go? What was your impressions of having done this amazing series? Well, I will start by saying it was wonderful. It was wonderful to bring so many different artists to town. And Caroline really conceived these concerts so brilliantly so that they each were very different.

You're getting a really different feel for each one of the four different shows. And Katie and Keith just really rounded it out so nicely with a beautiful performance alongside Jeremy Thompson. He's an incredible collaborator and a gem that we have right here in Charlottesville, a pianist with so much talent. And at this last performance, he really, really had an opportunity to shine with a Dvorak piece, actually two of them. And then Keith, the thing that I keep hearing from people who attended was that Keith sang this soliloquy number that was about two individuals going through the final stages of life and

love and loss. And, I mean, people were captivated and really, really moved. The concerts were really intimate and it was great to really get a chance to get to know some of our patrons even better by seeing them at these events. So it was a great opportunity. That's awesome. And I think it was so neat,

what Leigh Ann was saying too, is really how different all four of them were. The previous one on Valentine's Day was all Broadway. And so it's kind of neat that our community is so loving of both opera and Broadway that for that day it was kind of a staged love feeling of all these greats that people could even sing along with, which is kind of fun as well.

That is a lot of fun. That's wonderful. So yeah, I didn't definitely speak to, I think one of the things we love is kind of the versatility and the diversity of what you can experience with Charlottesville Opera. It's not just you get two operas a year, goodbye, see you next year.

Like there are different ways to experience opera and one of them is kind of this more intimate setting where you kind of get to know, I think, the two performers a little bit more than you would if they were just in the midst of a full production. Absolutely. What I love so much about what we do is that it's all focused on the voice. The voice is the ultimate thing and I think, you know, Caroline is one of the best singers I've ever heard and also a great technician. Yes, all of those great things. But you know what I feel like she has really brought to Charlottesville Opera is to elevate the quality of the performers that we have

coming here. Our company is now known nationally for our Young Artist Training Program. And thanks to her and her contacts and just demanding for great singing, which is spectacular. And it really is. It's a blessing. And one of the neat things about our recital series, I always think it's neat when you hear an opera singer up close. It's so great to see an opera and you have the big orchestra and the big hall, but having a bit of a smaller venue and just the feeling, the power that these singers,

you know, touch people's souls, you know, and I think that that's really special for an audience to see them in both different kinds of settings like that. Absolutely, absolutely. So, I mean, which leads us, of course, to the next performance, which is not all the way in June. It's actually here in March, which is Stalia Ginsburg, which it is an opera. It is not a book with a bunch of opinions.

It's actually an opera. And so what I kind of wanted to touch on first is maybe you could tell people a little bit of the history of this opera, how it came to be and how Charlottesville Opera decided to stage a production. Sure. I'll go first, if that's okay. This production really came out of a very generous gift that was given by Ann Wallace, who has lived in a lot of places around the

world and gone to opera in a lot of places. But she has made her home here in her retirement in Charlottesville, and she's been coming to our events, she's joined our board of directors, and she said, you know, I want you all to have a chance to reach a broader audience, to expand. And so out of that came this program called Wallace Works. And so over the next three years, Anne has made possible funding for us to bring new works to our season. And we're thrilled for that.

Scalia Ginsburg, there are so many great, great new operas out there. And Caroline is an expert on that. I'll let her touch on it. But Scalia Ginsburg seemed like the perfect fit to kick this off because there are connections for both of them right here in Charlottesville. And ultimately, this opera, kind of the theme of it, the composer would say, is we are different,

we are one. And it's these two individuals who sat on opposite sides of the political spectrum, but they shared this incredible friendship and love of opera. And it's a beautiful testament to what opera and music can do for our communities and for our friendships. My favorite kind of music, it's funny to say, is new opera. Because I love the feeling, well, I certainly love getting to be in new operas, but I also love the feeling of being in the theater with a group of audience members that do not know what to expect. I think there's a different kind of energy in the room when everybody is sort of at the

edge of their seat waiting, you know, is this going to be funny, is this going to be sad, is it going to be, you know, and so first of all, to give this away, it's going to be funny, which that's the other pretty cool thing about opera is that we don't always get to have a lot of comedies. That's a really special thing about this opera as well. What are some of the other things people can expect from it? I think it will have surprises. I think for people who don't know anything about opera but are like, oh, Stirling and D, oh, that sounds interesting, but I think it will also have some surprises in store for people who are like, oh, yeah, I've seen a bunch of operas. I'm going to

see this one for the first time. So what are some things you both think people can expect? Well, I mean, I think that what people will be surprised about is that they're actually going to recognize a lot of the music because the way that Derek Wang, the composer, wrote this was that he took elements of Mozart and Handel and Puccini. And so within even the first 10 minutes of the show, you hear tunes that you're like, oh, I recognize that. Is that Bugs Bunny? Is that Carmen? Is that the First Noel?

There are all these quotes right within the very first few bars of that. And so I think people are going to actually say, oh, I recognize this music. It's beautiful. It's tuneful. It's melodic. And I think they're also going to be excited to hear some really great singers. Absolutely. We're really proud that these three singers are former emerging artists.

And so we thought that that was really it's a great experience for them to, you know, this is a professional role on their resumes. And so it's a great experience for them, but it's also so exciting for our community that have gotten to love these singers over the summers and then to see them come back in these leading roles. So we're very lucky to have all three of them that are with us. Yeah, I recognized immediately Adam Rogers

because he had been in the Music Man. He was the one that constantly was trying to spill the beans on the Music Man. And I know him, he doesn't know the territory. But it was funny to see him. He doesn't know the territory. It was funny to see him. I heard him sing at the summer event last year. He didn't get too much of a chance to sing in the Music Man, but he got to sing at the big summer event.

Festival. Festival. All the emerging artists had an opportunity to sing. It was amazing. He sang the emerging artists had an opportunity to sing and it was just amazing. He sang the song, Make Them Hear You, and he just has such a beautiful way of singing in English. I just love the way that he sings in English. He also sang at the church with me the very last day, and I just think he's such a great communicator with people. So it's kind of neat to have him in this role as the kind of the

troublemaker. Absolutely. So you brought together, I know some great artists there and then obviously I guess Michael Slahn is coming back. That's right. Michael's our conductor. This time around and then Claire Shorquette is the director. Yes, so Claire, you, I actually knew Claire when she was a singer, which many directors start out that way. But over the last few years, she has pivoted to become a director. It's really where her passion lies.

And she's won several awards nationally. She's been recognized. And she's this really up and coming, enthusiastic energy, but also just really thoughtful about how even a comedy can have great impact emotionally for the audience. And one of the benefits was that she assisted directed on this show before, so she knew the show well. And we put together a really great team, a wonderful scenic designer from Arizona. And we have our technical director, Zach, back from last summer.

So we have a set that we're building, costumes. Rachel Herrick is building our costumes for us. Carmen Boisette is doing our wigs and makeup. So it's a full on show. Yeah, it's a great team. Very exciting. That is exciting. Yeah.

And Carlos is about, so Carlos is our Scalia and he's about to also go off to Chautauqua this summer, so he's on his way to other companies as well, so it's great when our singers, you know, take their talents out and about. But the other thing that I think is fun is our soprano has done this role before. Oh wow. Yeah, and so Carly is, it's kind of nice for a singer to get to come back to her role as well because they can really, once you've lived a character for a while, you can really come back to it again with renewed ideas and things, how you'd like to do things. So how old is the Scaleggiansburg opera? Is it like how old is it? Like 10 years old, 15 years old?

So the premiere was 2015. Oh, okay. And it was actually at the Castleton Festival in Virginia. Oh, I remember that. So that's pretty neat that it was right here. But it has been done so many times in so many different companies since then. It's very, very popular. And of course, this day and age right now, it's extremely popular and extremely important to tell the story of two sides getting along so well.

Yeah, I mean, very great friends. Exactly. And in the opera world, we all knew so much of Ruth Bader Ginsburg coming to opera performances. People would see her at the Glimmerglass Festival. And so she got to see the production at Castleton, and she got to see that second production at Glimmerglass, which is really neat to think of her sitting out in the audience. Yeah. I mean, it's so funny. I would urge people to check out Chards for Opera on Facebook. There's a great photo of them both dressed up for I think-

For Ariadne. Ariadne, yeah. That's right. That just kind of speaks to I think the playfulness that can arise and what opera can bring out of them. And it's a beautiful picture. And then the fact that they both, at least I think read the script. Absolutely. And both loved the opera about them. And then the fact that they both, at least, at least, I think, read the script. Absolutely.

They both loved the opera about them. That's right. They both had given approval to do it. Although Scalia, I think, said, you don't need my approval. Like, I've written these. This is public record. You can take, because the opera contains quotes from their briefs and from their descents.

And it's not, the entire opera is not that. But there are definitely quotes. contains quotes from their briefs and from their descents. The entire opera is not that, but there are definitely quotes. It's so smart how Derek Wang put this together. He is both a musician and a graduate from a law school. I mean, he's a lawyer. Oh my goodness. He has both sides of that. Good combination of talents.

One of the things I'm really excited about that I just want to touch on is that after each show, so the show is about an hour in length, so not long, we'll take a little intermission and then we'll come back and we have a panel discussion planned that includes clerks, a clerk who worked with Scalia and one who worked with Ginsburg, also family members. Scalia's daughter Meg Bryce is going to join us and Ginsburg's goddaughter Catherine Neese is going to join us. Because we want people to focus on these individuals and what was it about these two that were so incredibly intelligent and who made such impacts on our country but who also shared this incredible relationship. And I'm very excited to hear from all of those folks about their personal relationships with

the justices. That will be awesome. Yeah. That's going to be really neat. It's going to be really neat. And then, I mean, well, we can touch on it briefly. I mean, I'm pretty sure in the last couple of days was the announcement of what else people can look forward to this summer.

Yes, we're super excited and all of this is happening, it seems like very quickly, although it's time. Our summer season is coming, it's our 48th season, so tickets will go on sale to the public on the 28th, so next Friday, when Skaligensburg opens. And that's for Carmen and the Pirates of Penzance. Both classics. Absolutely, it's the first time we've done, the company's done Gilbert and Sullivan and it's 48 year history.

Wow, that's awesome. Yeah. That's gonna be, both of those are gonna be tremendous. Plans, I think a lot for people to talk about recognizing tunes. It's a big anniversary year for Carmen. What is the year? 150. Isn't that amazing? And the cast that Caroline has put together for our principles, of course, we have our emerging artists who will be a part of that, and a local chorus, children's chorus and

Carmen, but we have some really incredible singers coming in for that, including two of our duets performers in Pirates. Actually, yes, and then three. Oh, that's right. Peter. So that's been a lot of fun too that these people that have came to some of these recitals, these duets recitals, they have gotten to know people that they're going to then recognize this summer. That's a lot of fun.

And also maybe for people who saw them first, they'll be like, I recognize them, I went to go see that duet. Exactly. That's going to be absolutely fantastic. So yeah, be sure to check that out. In the meantime, though, please do not miss Scalia-Dinsburg. So that's going to be the 28th and the 29th. So next Friday and Saturday. 7 p.m. on Friday night, 2 p.m. on Saturday afternoon. Tickets are same place.

You go to charlotteflawbrud.org. You go to events. And you don't even have to search the season. If you go to events, it says Scalia Dinsburg, and you can click it, and then don't buy tickets right there. And that's going to be at St. Anne's, Belfill Hall. That's right, and Grisham Hall, which is a beautiful theater. I mean, such a gift to our community,

and easily accessible, but again, a great acoustical space for our productions. And for this smaller production that has a seven-piece orchestra, I think it's really going to fit nicely in there. So I'm looking forward to it. That's going to be fantastic. Yeah, it's so nice to see the different sizes of works when you think about it. Because when you think about our productions at the Paramount during the summer, those

are huge productions. Big, big, big, big. And I love seeing big shows, but it's very special to see something that's as intimate as this in such a beautiful, intimate space. Exactly, you guys, you're geniuses. I feel like you're transitioning us. Start with two duets, then we'll have a seven piece, and then we'll have the mid ones, and you move it.

And Nick reminds us that his wife booked the HFAC appointment because he would never have missed the dynamic duo. So as far as he's considered as the dynamic duo. I guess he's forgiven. This has been absolutely a pleasure. I was going to ask where do people get tickets but I just told them. So be sure to go to scharach.opera.org. Any other places where people should go to get upcoming information?

Definitely on Facebook, follow us, and Instagram. And I will just put in one last plug that our festival that you talked about earlier, our event we do at Ting Pavilion with the orchestra and ballet, that's going to be on June 1st this year. So it's early in our season. So put that on your radar that we'll be at Ting Pavilion, we'll kick off our season there with Festival June 1st. That's going to be awesome. Yeah, that was so much fun last year. I really encourage

people to go. That was an absolute blast. I mean, it was the hottest, most humid possible day. I was going to ask, is that why it got moved? That's part of why it got moved. The orchestra and the choir, they're up there in their tuxes and they're melting. It's a testament to how good it was that no one, we all sat through it. I don't care how humid it was. We're hoping this gets us a little bit cooler.

It's a fantastic event. Be sure to keep on the update for everything Charlotte for Opera, and again, tickets charlotteforopera.org. Actually, just go slash Steliya Ginsburg, and you'll go straight to it. Absolutely. Thank you all so much. No, thank you both so much for coming on.

We love having you all. Until next time. That's right. See you next time. All right. Soon, the summer season. I know. It's going to be here before you know it. All right. Soon. The summer season. It's going to be here before you know it.

Festival is on June 1st. The musical opera is usually late June, early July. This year, I can look it up for people. If you want to circle your calendars. Karma is going to be June 20th to 22nd. And Pirates of Penzance is going to be July 11th to 13th. So if you want to be reallyth. So if you want to be really far in advance, you want to be circling those dates.

Sometimes you have to because you have to keep them on the calendar. Do you imagine if you book a vacation when they're doing Carmen and you're like no, I missed that out. You cancel your vacation and you go see Carmen. Be sure to check that out. Love having them both on. Thanks, Bill. Tune in this morning. Thanks for watching. Always love all our fantastic viewers for coming on. And as I always say, we put him on last but he's most certainly not least. He's going to sing Carmen for us.

We are thrilled to welcome to the show our monthly meetup with Matthias. Matthias, how are you doing? Thanks for having me. I got a little bit of a scare when Michael asked me to sing a song. That will not happen. I can't blame you. He tries to pull that stunt with a danger tune. Well, Matthias once put me on the spot when he asked me for my New Year's resolution and I still can't forget. This is perfect.

Yeah, I just got to get back on top. Absolutely, absolutely. So Matias, I mean, I think I wasn't on last time with you. So how's getting into the spring? How have things been? I think great. I mean, people have mixed feelings about what's going on on a national level

or on the global stage, but just looking at our market, our micro situation here in the Childsville area, I think there are a few things that we need to talk about, that we can talk about, that are changing, that are to the better. But I think to answer your question about the spring, and I remember sitting here last year, and spring always comes with this feeling of something new, something fresh, and there's euphoria in the air, there's excitement.

And I certainly feel it when I walked here this morning to the studio, it's finally a week of warm, mild weather, not too much rain, except today in the afternoon. You know, and that entire feel describes quite well the change in the season. Yeah, it's just you, and I think you get to, like we've had on the show today, you get to, you begin to hear all the announcements of what is coming your way, you know, it's like, okay.

That life is coming back into the world, right? Yes, exactly. It's like the winter is dead and cold and you don't want to do anything now. Exactly. Colors pop up. That's right. It does. it really does. And you know, in my world, in the world of real estate, spring stands for more buyers looking for homes.

You know, the spring market, historically speaking, is the strongest season of the year. Spring and fall typically, right? But after the holidays and the cold winter months, you know, people typically don't tend to look for houses that much, or sellers don't put their houses on the market. And in spring everything changes. So a lot of people are getting ready right now, either because they're moving here, starting a job, or because the situation changes and they're putting their house on the market.

So when you ask about spring, that's what we in the real estate think about, right? And I have a lot of interesting conversations with clients. And in this context, I'm trying to finish a blog post for the month of April, and the topic this time is how local businesses and real estate intersect, right? Obviously, in general, we all know how they intersect, but what does it mean for our micro market here in Charlottesville. And when I first thought about it, my conclusion was, well, UVA, biggest employer in Charlottesville, people move here because they, you know, they start a job at UVA.

But then I was like, no, that's too broad, that's very general. And the more I thought about it, the more I realized it's actually a really interesting topic and maybe the best topic so far for this show for me to bring up here because you deal with local small businesses once a week when you sit here. And as I was thinking more about it, I realized, man, there's so many examples. And I bet you can think of examples too.

But I thought, let's dissect this a little bit, because I find it more and more interesting. And I'm sure there are many people that have written books about it. I've never thought about it that detailed. And I brought a few angles. And if you want, we can look at those together. For example, let me ask you this, Michael.

When you think about local businesses that really shape or contribute to the identity of Charlottesville, what comes to your mind? Specific ones are kind of like general examples. Because now I'm being put on the spot again. That's the point. That's the point. I mean, I think there's a lot of like general examples, because now I'm being put on the spot again. Yes, that's the point. That's the point. I mean, I think there's a lot of,

I mean, we've had a lot of people on the show too that kind of do like little bakeries from home. And I think that's kind of often like great, because again, because when people kind of do it from their house, it doesn't really affect the community where you feel as though suddenly you have community houses then I know where you have sort of like a business building. Yeah. Yes business, but at the same time you get at least enough of a

feel where it's like oh like the you know like this Sarah she does her little kind of mini bakery or Someone has like a little coffee shop or flower shop I think I think those are kind of those I've seen definitely pop up, especially post-COVID, because people were like, well, what do I want to do? What do I enjoy? Exactly. So yeah.

I think a lot, I mean, maybe because I'm a foodie, restaurants very frequently come to mind. And just I think what's special about Charlottesville, I think, here is that you did the diversity of restaurants, food that you can experience. I mean, it's something that you would typically associate with the city bigger than ours and yet right an experience I mean if I want you know If I want Turkish food, I can go to you know, I know the autos, right if I want after I do something to Bob

If I want Chinese, there's several places I can go right If I want Japanese, there's now in Zenzhou. There's so many places. If I want Cuban, there's Guajiros. There's a lot of places where you can go to kind of fill that craving. They've come here maybe for different reasons. Some relate to UVA, some not. But now they've branched into creating their own spaces.

And they made shottesville that way and then connect even more from a real estate perspective. They also, depending where you are in the area, there's something nearby that kind of creates the atmosphere of where you live. Yeah, I think restaurants or food in general is certainly one of the big aspects that contribute to the identity of a city, of Charlottesville.

And I think what's, and you said it kind of, what's special about Charlottesville here is the wide range, right? We have fine dining options like Marygold in Caswick Hall or C&O here downtown, but then we also have people from Venezuela opening up in our restaurant. Or we have, you just said it yourself, Turkish street food. So we have this wide range. And maybe that's something really special about Charlottesville. But yeah, I think it's interesting. It's not just food. It's so many other things that shape the identity and have an impact on my job, on real estate and why people move here.

And we spoke about the job factor, right? Big economic drivers. We always think about UVA being the biggest one, but what has been in the news a lot last year was Waynesboro and Northrop Grumman opening up a new location up there and all of a sudden 400 new positions being filled, right? And that has an immediate impact on the local real estate market up there.

But the beautiful thing is the small business follows. So you get the big one, jobs come in, but then, okay, those 400 people, some will want to eat, right? Some will want to enjoy music. Some may buy some more flowers, right? When Valentine's Day or Mother's Day or, some will meet each other and get married

and they'll need all those services. So you get the small businesses that kind of follow that I think kind of make up the atmosphere. Cause I would imagine like when someone's moving here and they're talking to you, right? They're not necessarily, especially if they're are talking to you, they are not necessarily especially if they are moving for a job, they are not going to be like, Mattias, who are the big employers in the area?

They are like, all right, I am already moving here because Northrop is here. They are probably more likely, Mattias, what is around? If I move to this area, what can I do? What can I see? What can I listen to? What can I enjoy? Those are much more likely to be a small business than a Northrop.

Or take someone who's not moving here but already lives here. Let's take someone in the neighborhood, let's say 10th Street of Preston. We all remember just a few years ago what happened to the dairy market there. I think we all still remember it once was an Irish pub and restaurant McGrady's. Oh yes, yes McGrady's. Right and now imagine you living there with your family and then what happened with the dairy market expansion and renovation and then opening up of the food court. And I think that is a good example of what happened

on a micro level to this neighborhood, because obviously it means that the neighborhood has changed. And there will always be people that have something negative or positive to say about it. But just objectively speaking, property values have changed in that immediate neighborhood. And sure, a lot of neighborhoods are undergoing changes like that. But it's interesting to look at that.

And you're right. Is it the store first, or is it the people moving there first and then them opening up a store? It's not always a- Kind of the chicken in the egg. Yeah, kind of. If you think of gentrification in a New York City borough, for example, right? Was it the hipster art store first, or did they move there first to live, and then open it up? I don't know, but interesting examples.

Let me ask you this. What is a store in, I mean, you live in Crozet, right? What comes to your mind when you think of that question? Probably two, there's probably three, not to single, not to say that I don't think of others, but the three that I think kind of come to mind first, two that are walkable, because right, I'm close enough to the little downtown Crozet area that you can walk if you need to meet someone I can meet you at Mudhouse because I can walk there in five minutes in the corner and it has the little and what's neat about the little areas Mudhouse you have far downers

that I've taken my wife to I think I think we did my birthday there or her. We love going there. Yes it's a little pub atmosphere, right? And there is a certain, and I think because they're so small, right, they do give you that old little downtown feel, which I think is very much in the style of Crozet, right, as opposed to like a larger area, right? I mean, Charlottesville Downtown Mall doesn't quite feel like that because it's so much bitter, right?

So you wouldn't expect that kind of really tiny, little cozy area, but it kind of gives you that nice feel of, oh, I can just walk there and get something, or I can walk there and get some comfort pub food, right? And yet for people who want to drive, I can't tell you how many people will be like, can you meet me at Provenada? And I said, yeah, OK. Because it's like, no matter where you are in TransA, you can drive there in like five, six days. And it's so big between the inside and the outside. I said, yeah, I'll never have to worry. Oh, no, there's nowhere for me to sit.

So I think those are kind of things that come to mind for different reasons. Somewhere you're like, oh, let me just walk downtown. There's also that, there's the little house. It's a little house. It's called the Art Box, I think. That you can go get something framed, a little custom. So you can walk around and see little things and enjoy.

Or there's, okay, I need to meet someone. I need to make sure that when I meet my friends, there's enough space for all 10 of us. I think I know where we're headed. Yeah, isn't Crozet a great example for this topic? And the conversation has definitely changed. Let's say eight years ago, a family considering moving to Crozet, they would have had the conversation, well, what kind of restaurants do we have here? And I think eight years ago the answer would have been, well, we have three, maybe four restaurants. And compared to now, just last week was announced a new restaurant is opening there, like a crepe store is opening up downtown Crozet. You yourself brought up examples. So you have this wide range of restaurants opening up in or being available in Crozet. And I think that can be a determining factor,

whether it's restaurant or a picture frame store of people just asking themselves the question, do we find everything we need here in Crozet? Is it worth living there, do we find everything we need here? Is it worth living there, or do we value walkability? And you clearly do, because you pointed it out immediately. Or do we drive to the next city for that? And so the prime example of how, yeah, real estate and local businesses here intersect take Lake Monticello. It was once just this gated community, right?

But over the course of decades, physicians have opened up their doctors offices, their restaurants, the entire infrastructure was developed. And so now the residents there drive less to Charlottesville because they have all the amenities all of a sudden there. What does that mean for the local market there? Obviously it expands. More subdivisions are being pulled up

because all of the things we just discussed are so attractive that more houses are being built and the area grows. And it's interesting for me because we, or I take those developments for granted, because it just makes sense, right? More people move somewhere. The doctor is just the next logical step.

The restaurant is just the next logical step. But the dynamic and the intersection is what I really think about. And so that's really a good topic. And I think the conversation makes more fun about Charlottesville because we have so much going on here. So people really are lucky. Just look at the preservation of the cultural heritage.

Look at Mickey Tavern. Yes. I mean, I took when people visit one of the first places you take them. You move to a new place and family says, oh, I want to come visit you, see your new house. You're like, well, we're going to have lunch at Mickey Tavern. I might take you to Monticello. You're immediately going to go for the cultural heritage. So indirectly, it is we live where Monticello is.

And I think we all know people in other parts of the country that have heard of Monte Cello and say, oh, you live where Thomas Jefferson has his site. Yeah, that's interesting. You know the magazine Southern Living? Probably heard of it, they have identified Keswick as this year's location for their Southern Living house that they are building. So they do this every year. They build a new house? Yes, in the Keswick estate community. And so that's another business that's contributing in a way.

And in this example, it's architecture and a little bit of southern culture and all that. But that will get a lot of attention nationwide again. Well, I remember the attention when we were like, this was when we moved here in 2008, and the next year it was like number one place to retire on some magazine and it was all of a sudden everywhere, it's like, Charlottesville is the number one place to retire. My father was a little panicking because part of the reason we didn't move back to New York is he didn't know a lot of people. He was like, I don't know, there's people that have come because it's the best place

to retire. So he was like, no, no, don't know, there's people that have come because it's the best place to retire. So he was like, no, no, don't come. But it's interesting, the price of, right, one of the, that's kind of that chicken in the ad, right, the more wonderful where you live becomes, right, the more recognized it becomes, the more people will want to come and live there. Well, we're not talking about the price today. That's for next time. No sure. Was it last, yeah it was last summer that you just brought up magazine that Charles, well the area here was featured in the wine

magazines because of the Monticello wine trail. Yes. So I don't know if we will ever be able to capture the numbers but I would be curious to find out how many people, maybe retirees, are moving here because of that designation. So what kind of impact did that have? And well, we can think of more and more factors that come to mind. And that's what I meant. Just having this conversation with you, again, confirms it's so much, it's a bigger topic than I thought it is. Yeah, I have actually a question for you, Matias. So when people kind of come here looking for houses, you know, my interpretation, because this would be my preference, is I would always prefer kind of a little more like Alex. I'd like to be in a place where it's like, okay, there's more of a walkability that like there's a town nearby that even if I have to drive five minutes to it's relatively close by.

Yes. But I'm curious because we have so many now in this area, wineries or distilleries and stuff like that, that are people willing to basically say, yes, I'm fine with living in the country or a little more pushed out. And I'm a little farther away from all the restaurants that Charles has to offer because there are accessible wineries nearby or accessible distillery or brewery that will function as sort of my version of like, well, I want to go out to eat, we'll go to this winery or we'll kind of go to this brewery.

Do you have like a feeling like people, this kind of like that element? Of where they accept the fact that they don't have a walkable downtown. Yes. But they have other amenities. All the other amenities, like the vineyards you brought up, they make up for it.

Well, I think that the conversation is different in the US about this than it is in Europe, for example. Charlesville downtown, the mall that we have, is often called a European downtown, right? Because in European cities, you have shops, restaurants, and it's usually no traffic, no cars allowed. and it's usually no traffic, no cars allowed. And so we have that here and for decades that has been one of the main attractions

of Charlottesville, right? And it certainly was a surprise for me when I moved here 11 years ago. And I think a lot of people value that, that live downtown, that they can not use their car and just walk everywhere. And sure, that is a big attraction, but how many people get to enjoy this? There is an infinite amount of space available, of houses available. And we were just joking about, you know, talking about prices today,

but the closer you live to downtown, the less affordable it becomes for the average person. And so you compromise, right? And you said we're going to move into the country, we are within this 20 to 30 minute driving distance. We know that seems to be acceptable to most people, it is for us. It becomes more affordable and you can afford maybe a yard

or maybe one to two acres. And so you swap something, you think you compromise, but then you gain other things. And what happened then is more and more amenities were created, and you're right. The area is so rich and full of vineyards, distilleries, breweries, I mean, look at Nelson County, or here Monticello Wine Trail and

Kaswick, to Gordonsville towards Orange. There's so many there and I think if you ask people, I think everyone would say, I would like to live downtown and I would like to be able to walk to, you know, ten restaurants and be able to choose among them. But the reality just is that that's a lifestyle that's not compatible with every family, with everyone's needs. And so I guess we have both worlds here. And affordability is still a problem. Just because you live 20 minutes outside of Charlottesville

doesn't mean it becomes all of a sudden affordable. We're still talking about Albemarle County. It's relative. It's relative, and it's still, what is it, the second most expensive county in the state of Virginia? Right? But to answer your question, well, let's rephrase it. You know, you have options. If downtown living is not for you,

either because it's not your preference or because the reality of the prices and inventory is just that it's not feasible to you, then you have other options that are still doable within 30 minutes driving, right? I think you live in Ivy. So in 20 minutes you can be here and enjoy all those walkable things once you have parked your car But I think within five or ten minutes you can also drive to a restaurant or to to a vineyard, right and enjoy those amenities Would you agree? I would yes. I think we're probably a little more on the closer side to the Charlottesville so, you know some of vineyards, I was kind of thinking more of like, Alex lives in Crozet when you kind of go past Crozet when you

start getting towards Afton, but you know, along that way, like you said, there's probably not, there's King's Family Vineyards, and you go way out, and there's Hazy Mountain Vineyard, there's that brewery, what's it called, Blue Mountain Brewery, right? So someone could live in Afton, that's probably probably what would you say 30 minutes away from where we are time? Maybe 35. Yeah, right, but so it would be very it's a little tricky to be like, okay Let's drive 35 minutes to you know, go have dinner. Whereas maybe people more willing that's like well, you know, we got these vineyards We got this brewery head. This is these are our dinner spots or you go to dooners You know or like the one that the other restaurant that you mentioned.

And luckily, people are catching on to this. And those that open up the vineyards and breweries, they're actually targeting families. They're not specifically targeting the beer drinker or the wine drinker or the cider drinker. No, they are creating experiences and amusement around it, right? Because they realize that's what families are looking for. So...

Beautiful intersection, beautiful interplay. Exactly. No, an interesting topic. We could go on about this. That's a great topic. I appreciate you bringing it up. It's a beautiful thing to think about and also renews your appreciation, I think, for what this area has to offer. Yeah, and actually maybe also a good segue into spring because that is, frankly,

what's on the mind of a lot of people. As I said earlier, this topic came up because people asked me about it. They asked me what are the cultural offerings and then sure I can tell them, go to Charleswood.org and then you can learn about the opera and all those things. But I realized, well, it's actually a bigger conversation than all those little local businesses

that really do shape the identity. But who am I to talk about this? You two interview local businesses every week. We're lucky enough we get to see them firsthand every week. So we really enjoy it. And we enjoy having our monthly meetup with you. Always great to just kind of pick

your brain and have a great conversation. And we look forward to the next one. My pleasure. Thanks for having me. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for coming on. Well, this has been a great show. Yes. Loved every minute of it. And next time up, more great people. We're not the Miller from Viva La Nosh.

Oh, okay. So we've got some more. Viva La Nosh. So we've got some more great guys. Viva La Nosh sounds. Sounds nice, yeah. Nick just sent me that one. So be on the lookout for that as we promote that. Of course, by that time, if you wait for the next show, it'll be too late to go to Stalia Dinsburg.

So make sure you get your tickets this weekend. Go to sharwatsvillopper.org slash Stalia Dinsburg or sharwatsvillopper.org, you can go to events and you'll find it listed there. Be sure to check that out. Be sure to check out Alula. Definitely, I know that's another big thing. A lot of people move here as family groups. So be sure to check that out for your needs, to help you with the caregiving. Be sure to check out Matias, Matias Yonvildi, you can never not find him, you'll find him on Facebook the same way you find us, so always it's great advice that he can give. So appreciate everyone for tuning in, thanks for co-hosting with me.

Thank you for leading the show. Always a joy, always a joy. Thanks to everyone, so we look forward to seeing you all next week, of course thanks to you behind the camera, all next week. Of course, thanks, Judah, behind the camera. I love Siebel Network Set. Amazing partner show. It's for Lopper, Matias, and Realty. For our presenter, Emergent Financial Services, thank all of you for tuning in, for your questions, comments, and be sure to send us anyone you want to feature on the show. We love having up all those small businesses on. We look forward to seeing you next time. But until then, as we like to close it out, hasta mañana.