The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Charlottesville New Zoning Code Starts Today; National Media Zoning Code Most Radical In USA

Episode Date: February 19, 2024

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Jerry Miller, it's a pleasure to connect with you through the I Love Seville Network on a President's Day. Did you know it was President's Day today, Judah? I think I had seen somewhere that it was, but it didn't really penetrate until I was... Getting the mail? Getting the mail. I think even before then, I'd seen some cleared parking spaces that I was surprised to see, and then I remembered. President's Day, post office closed, banks are closed, some schools are out. Our kids in school are oldest. A lot we're going to cover on today's program.

A couple of tidbits out of the notebook before we get to the headlines that you see on screen. Facebook just turned 20 years old. Jim Hamlet, Randy O'Neill, Kevin Yancey, hello. 20 years old for Facebook. That's bananas to me. I'll let you know why that. I find that, like, just absolutely bananas. I'm curious of what your take is on Facebook turning 20 years old.

Logan Wells-Claylow, welcome to the broadcast. Thank you for joining us. The draft zoning ordinance, the new zoning code starts today, on President's Day. The new zoning code is something that has been in the works for years, and today is the official start of it. Yeah. It could lead us into topic number four on the headlines if you look at the screen. What's the most concerning issue facing Charlottesville right now?

Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. We'll ask Judah Wittkower's take on that. Virginia plays Virginia Tech tonight, Blacksburg. The Hokies are a four and a half point favorite. UVA does not want to lose this game. UVA is barely in the big dance right now. Barely in the big dance. And that victory over Wake Forest, yes, it was a victory, and I'll take any win, but when you go, what, 0 for 10 from the free throw line? Very concerning. Let's weave Judah Wittkow right on a two-shot. 20 years for Facebook?

Remember MySpace? Who was the guy that everybody was friends with on MySpace? It was Tom, right? I think so. It was Tom, right? I think so, yeah. Did you start on MySpace or Facebook? You know, I vaguely remember MySpace, but I don't remember having an account. I just remember skipping around on it, checking things out.

MySpace still in operation. Did you know that? I did not know that. Much more of a music-focused social platform now. MySpace is. 20 years for Zuckerberg's Facebook. The most influential website that's ever been?

The most influential that's a tough call I mean it's got to be either what let's just rattle off a few Google's got to be there would you consider that a did you say it's a search engine not a website? yeah more or less. But you're right, it is very influential.

Would you say Google's more influential than Facebook? Yeah, I would say that. You'd say, yes, more influential than Facebook. Huh. All right, what else is on the list with Google and Facebook most influential? The 20-year anniversary of Facebook was earlier this month. I'd definitely put Twitter on that list.

No. You don't think Twitter is influential? I do think Twitter is influential, not more influential than Facebook. Oh, no, that's not what I was saying. I thought you were asking what other... I'm asking what is more influential than Facebook. Oh. Website-wise?

App-wise? Besides Google, I mean, I kind of put Facebook and Twitter pretty close alongside each other. I think Twitter is a far, far, far second. Not even second. Significantly behind Facebook. Is there a particular type of influence here? Broad reach.

Appeals to the masses. Twitter's more niche. Twitter's more, Twitter's daily active users pale in comparison to Facebook I mean Facebook is shaped dating it's shaped social networking it's shaped

how we post food content which is crazy I mean if you told us at a time 20 years ago that we would be busting out phones from our pockets and taking pictures of our food and post them online for our friends to see, 20 years ago, people would laugh at you. Yeah, no doubt.

If you said 20 years ago, we would be stalking people on social media and looking at their photos from decades ago. We would laugh at you. Now Facebook is a publisher of content. I would bet more people get their news from a Facebook news feed than news platforms themselves.

It's pretty scary. Is it not? It's pretty scary. Is it not? It's very scary. It shows you the influence that Zuckerberg and his platform have. I mean, clearly have influenced elections. Teenage girls, teenage boys, teenage girls, whether it's Facebook, whether it's Instagram, Instagram owned by Facebook.

You think that's still the case? What, body issues or political election influence? No, just teenagers. I mean, I think... I think teenagers are on Facebook's sister properties. I mean, I think we know. Yeah, I mean, I think... Instagram, TikTok, of course, not owned by Facebook, but that's another one. Yeah. Snapchat. Snapchat is more of a communication platform than a social media platform. Snapchat, more of a camera

and way to communicate than a social network. Yeah. But it's Instagram or TikTok. YouTube. YouTube. I mean, YouTube is dominating Gen Z and Gen Alpha in crippling ways for Gen Z and Gen Alpha, rotting Gen Z and Gen Alpha's brain

at ways and at levels that we don't even know the magnitude of. Yeah. 20 years for a platform that is powerful what you find is the most marginalized holiday the most disrespected holiday this being President's Day President's Day has got to be on the short list

for most disrespected holiday yeah I would say I mean if we're talking about you say disrespected I would say, I mean, if we're talking about, you say disrespected, I would. All right. How about I say forgotten? Oh, forgotten.

Disrespected, I might say Juneteenth because I'm sure there are a lot of people that disrespected. But forgotten. I mean, President's Day is pretty high on the list. I don't know if, does anybody know why we even started having a President's Day? I would imagine it's to honor presidents. But is there really a reason for having a day off to honor presidents? And what determines the day off? Banks and post office close?

Yeah. Is that what it is? What determines when they take off? The market's closed. They probably tried to space them out. President's Day is officially Washington's birthday at the federal government level. A holiday in the United States celebrated on the third Monday of February. That's today.

It's bananas. It's February 19th already. Most forgotten, disrespected holiday. Is this it? Could be. Right? I would think. I mean mean what else is on there i mean we've got martin luther king's birthday got i think mlk day is extremely revered and and and yeah i agree i was just naming the holidays.

The opposite of forgotten. MLK Day is championed. Yeah, definitely. I was just listing some of the obviously lesser known than Thanksgiving, Christmas, Memorial Day. I think Memorial Day...

I think Memorial Day is not forgotten. Memorial and Labor Day have some oomph. And Veterans Day. Veterans Day has some oomph. But I think a lot of people get Veterans Day and Memorial Day mixed up. Possibly. We've got Columbus Day. Kevin Ancy says Arbor Day.

Arbor Day. Arbor Day. And he also says, is Wikipedia more influential than Facebook? Wikipedia is pretty damn influential. That's a great suggestion, Kevin Yancey. Yeah. I still say Facebook is more influential than Wikipedia. Really, the only website that I can see competing with Facebook from an influence is Google. Yeah.

I think Google wins that. I think Google might win that as well. Because it's a lot easier to search for anything on Google. Obviously, it's a search engine. But on Facebook, it seems to be... Facebook is a search engine but uh on facebook it seems to be you know facebook's got is a search engine derrick bond the owner of mo's and the melting pot says uh president says the birthdays of presidents yeah we love mo's we love derrick bond it was good to see you the other day

go ahead judah um you said google trump's facebook oh yeah i feel like You said Google trumps Facebook. Oh, yeah. I feel like when you search for things on Facebook, it prioritizes things from people that you know, which I think diminishes, in my mind, the importance of it. It's less balanced I feel

and more it's strengthened by your previous likes and and friendships and so you tend to see a lot more of the posts

that kind of fit in your echo chamber. Yeah, that's the algorithm. John Blair says, do you guys remember Friendster? I do remember Friendster, absolutely. Ginny Hu says, don't you all remember in elementary school when we used to celebrate Washington and Lincoln's birthdays separately? Then you would throw in Valentine's Day and we had three class holidays in February.

The good old days. We didn't take Valentine's Day off, though. I think she alludes to the fact that Valentine's Day, while you were in class, it was almost a forgotten day. Yeah, you were spending time cutting pink

construction paper Valentine's Day cards and eating candy. Did you give Valentine's to your sweethearts? I guess, yeah. I certainly did. I love Valentine's Day. You know what my favorite tax of them all is? Tax?

Tax. You know how I despise taxes. Anyone who watches the show, they realize, I say this all the time, we're taxed way too much. Yeah. Like how ridiculous is it that we are, I saw this on Facebook the other day,

speaking of Facebook, we're taxed on the money we earn at work. The person who's really screwed is the employer. The employer is paying taxes left and right. Yeah. I mean, you found out the other day that I've, we've seen amounts of payroll taxes we're paying. We're packed on the money. We're taxed on the money we make. We're taxed on the money we pay our team members and our employees. Then once we get money from our boss or our companies that we work for, we go out and we're taxed. On everything we use that money on.

On everything we use that money on. We tax on our houses. We're taxed on our cars. We're taxed on our personal property. We're taxed on our gains. It's... It might not be the redcoats are coming, but get me a squirrel cap and a horse and some lanterns, and let's rally up the troops to go riding down West Main Street.

Yelling about taxation without representation. There you go, Judah Wickhauer. There you go. Thank you very much. All right, let's get to today's news. Today is the first day of Charlottesville's new zoning code. We're still talking about this. But it's the first day that the DZO, upzoning, the new zoning code, whatever the hell we're going to call it, is in effect. Years of going down this road. Some in this community salute this milestone. Others target practice with this hallmark.

There's a group of people in the city that are suing the city over the draft zoning ordinance. More lawsuits are coming. We know that. What are we going to get out of this? Probably very little. Years of effort. Thousands and thousands of taxpayer dollars. It may be a granny flat or a basement apartment or an ADU in the backyard.

Outside of that, the invisible hand of capitalism, undefeated. Just like the only people that have beaten Michael Jordan and LeBron James, father time. The only people that can supersede or push at a much faster clip than red tape from local government, Commonwealth government, national government, federal government, capitalism, the invisible hand.

You got thousands of people moving to the area, they're going to drive up the cost of living no doubt we learned on friday's show the new hud median income per household it's going to be released in april we're both in agreement it's going to be higher than the 123 300 from 2022 yeah time will tell if the income continues going that fast, it doesn't matter what we do with zoning flexibility. We highlighted on Friday's show two listings in the Lewis Mountain neighborhood.

Both came to market. Both over $2 million. You're not going to be able to do anything from a density standpoint at a $2 million. You're not going to be able to do anything from a density standpoint at a $2 million plus clip per house, quarter acre or below. You're just not going to. It's too expensive. You're not going to be able to assemble that. I mean, I don't even think you can subsidize affordable housing at these rates.

So that leads us to the next question. What's the most concerning issue facing Charlottesville right now? And some national media have called the upzoning that we just pushed forward that started today officially the most radical zoning rewrite in America. The most radical zoning rewrite in America,

some media have called it. That leads me to the next question, the most concerning issue facing Charlottesville right now. I think your and I's takes may differ. I'm curious of yours on this. I mean, I'd probably have to go with You're going to go with the housing? Housing affordability. I think it's something that affects a wide, wide swath of our area. And it's not going away.

And I think in the coming years it's going to hurt a lot of people. Keep going. I mean, that's my answer. I think the biggest problem we're facing today is housing affordability. There's very few people that I think it's not going to affect in the coming years. I'm surprised you didn't go somewhere like living wage. I mean, that's a big one too.

Is it all lumped in together? In some one, too. Was it all lumped in together? In some ways, yeah. I'm surprised you didn't go somewhere like political diversity. I mean, I think there's some political diversity in central Virginia, whether or not there's a whole lot of it in Charlottesville. But I think that's less of an issue here. I'm surprised you didn't go somewhere like, Kevin Yancey says, tax those cigarettes.

We're trying to get them to cut the cigarettes. Vanessa Parker, well... We're also talking about human rights issues. I don't know that I think of politics in Charlottesville as a human rights issue that's affecting a great many people. Vanessa Parkhill watching the program. Well, when the majority of the community asks for the government to take care of more and more of their needs and wants, the government is going to need to get that money somewhere. Since their main source of income is our tax dollars, our taxes will go up accordingly. We can't have it both ways. It's true.

Yeah. It's true. All right. I'll say the biggest concern I have, most pressing concern I have with Charlottesville, and I'm speaking from the lens of being a father and a husband. I'm going to call it the lack of diversity that I'm seeing. It is an extremely homogenous community, and it's becoming more so every day. I find that worrisome because I would like to have our boys raised in a community that is more diverse and eclectic with its thought. And at Charlottesville, and as UVA continue to become

this mixed blend of one and the same, like for example, Forbes magazine just called UVA one of America's top employers. Did you guys see this? You saw that, right Judah? Yeah. Forbes magazine, one of the most esteemed business publications.

This is one of the most esteemed business publications. This is one of the lead headlines on Virginia's media arm, news.virginia.edu or UVA Today. UVA landed in the number 73 spot among 600 top-ranked U.S. employers with more than 5,000 employees, and UVA Health was ranked number 117 overall. So the university, number 73 in the nation, 73 in the nation, best large employer. Yeah, employing over 1,000 people. UVA Health, number 117 in the nation. More than 5,000 people, not 1,000.

5,000 people. Are you,000. 5,000 people. Are you sure? Possible. Look at that right now. So here you've got a university that's getting accolades from national media yet again about being one of the best places to work. And Charlottesville's getting accolades from national media yet again about being one of the best places to live. It's just creating a silo of the same kind of people moving here. That is my biggest concern. To Judah's point, they may be one and the same.

I think that's definitely closely tied with housing affordability and wages. Jason Howard says, with the spike in values, is Charlottesville's future population going to be wealthy retirees, those making executive pay or higher, and students? Median income numbers don't say teacher or first responder to me.

100%. Yeah, no doubt. I would say, and I mentioned this last week, I don't even think it's, it's the middle class that's completely getting squeezed now as well. It's not just financial margin. Heck, you can even make upper middle class

as a group that's getting squeezed in Charlottesville. Vanessa Parkhill asked what the criteria are for best employers. You have to have more than 5,000 employees is one of the main criteria. I believe it's 1,000. I'm looking at it too. It says right here. Slide it to Judah Schott. And I'm looking at it too. It says right here. Slide it to Judah Schott. And I'm looking at it right there. The university landed at 73 spot among 600 top right-gouge employers with more than 5,000 employees. Organizations with at least 1,000 employees were surveyed and results were broken down based on the number of workers.

How about that number? Read that one. UVA in total employs some 30,000 people across its academic division in Charlottesville. UVA Health, UVA Physicians Group, and the College at Wise. 30,000 employees. Yeah. I didn't know that number. UVA in total employs 30,000 people. Yeah.

And the interesting thing about this is the results were actually compiled from surveying the responders, surveying the employees. So it wasn't just a, you know, it wasn't just a, oh, we think these are the best places to work. It was actually a, you know, a survey of the people working at these large companies and their their thoughts and comments on their employer which is odd because the university gets attention from its employees of not being so fine and dandy yeah i would have thought that too when i was reading this and then

i saw that it was uh the the employees were actually pulled So is that yet another indication that, like, the loud, organized, vocal, very small minority is the population that's getting the attention? Could be. Or it could be they selected, I don't know, it could be selection bias and who they chose to ask about this. I'm sure they didn't survey every single last UVA employee. Here's a great stat for you guys at a cocktail party.

UVA in total employs some 30,000 people across its academic division in Charlottesville, UVA Health, UVA Physicians Group, and the college at Wise. To put that in perspective, the city of Charlottesville has a population of basically 46,000 people. So if UVA employs 30,000 people and the city of Charlottesville has a population of 46,000 people, that puts things in perspective for you. Yeah, Two thirds. Yeah, definitely Kevin. I, for sure, Kevin Yancey. He says many of those are not, are not living in Charlottesville. Yeah. Hmm. Do you think the university is a good steward for Charlottesville? Not really. Come on. Why not really? Do I... I don't know that...

I feel like they really care about Charlottesville. Do they? I mean, I know that I feel like they really care about Charlottesville. Do they? I mean, I know that in some regards they have to put on a good front. They have to do certain things to support. Without UVA, there would be no Charlottesville. That's true. There would be no. It would be a different landscape. I get it.

Yeah. So when it makes the argument that we're doing enough, it has legitimate legs to stand on. You really think that's a decent argument for... Just because they're... You're basically saying that the fact of their existence is enough. I think they're doing more than just exist. I know, but that's kind of the point that you just made,

is that the fact of them existing is because of the effect that they have on the Charlottesville area, that perhaps that's enough and they don't have to do anything more. We've talked a lot about every time they buy a building, it comes off the tax rolls. It's true. They do a lot for the community. I don't know that,

I'm not sure that most of that isn't just for appearances sake. I could be wrong. No, I mean, I don't think there's necessarily a right or wrong answer on that one. I think the university could always do more, as you're saying. And then there are advocates of what the university is

doing, like, hey, what else more do we need to do? So I don't think there's necessarily a right answer on that. Yeah. 30,000 is an astronomical number, though. No doubt. You had a couple of tidbits from the weekend that struck you. Let's see. I mean, I had some great drinks at Southern Crescent.

Oh, you went to Southern Crescent this weekend. Tell me about that. It was nice. They've got a great little patio. Oh, you went to Southern Crescent this weekend. Tell me about that. It was nice. They've got a great little patio. Oh, it's fantastic. It's in Belmont. It really reminded me of Savannah. I knew you were going to bring up Savannah.

It's got a New Orleans feel. Yeah, it's got a... Who'd you go to Southern Crescent with? Just a friend. Was this a date? Maybe. Judah Wickhauer on a hot date. I like it. Was it a good date? Yeah. Will there be a second date? I think there will be. There will be a

second date? I think so. I'm not 100% sure. Fantastic, dude. I won't get more personal. I'll leave it at that. What did you order? I got a Sazerac. A couple Sazeracs. What's a Sazerac? Sazerac is it's claim to fame is that it may be the first cocktail. The Sazerac is the first cocktail? I didn't know that.

Quite possibly. What's in the Sazerac? Let me bring it up. Judah Wickhauer on a hot date at Southern Crescent. Southern Rack's got whiskey or cognac. It originally calls for absinthe, sugar, and bitters. I'm fairly certain most places don't use Absinthe in it these days. And you guys sat on the back patio?

Yeah. They had some of those tall heaters going, and they had a little fire pit heater with some couches and comfortable chairs around it. It was nice. A little bit chilly, but they also have baskets full of blankets. So it was great. I loved it. My better half says Columbus Day. It's a forgotten holiday. Oh, definitely. Or very maligned, at least. After Southern Crescent, where did you guys walk around Belmont? No, we called it the night we pretty much closed down closed down southern crescent nice dude i like that i like that a lot we went um uh our oldest and my oldest our oldest son and i went to uh salvage Brewery. We did a little divide and conquer. My wife was with our youngest

and then our oldest and I went to a basketball game on Friday. Before that, we stopped for a hot dog and a cheeseburger and a basket of fries at Selvage Brewery on Ivy Road, across from the Borset and the old Grit Coffee Roastery place. And that just opened when? This month. I would very much suggest you do that. Or as a suggestion, if whoever you're dating is into craft beer,

that place is fantastic. It's large. They've got fantastic TVs for viewing sports. The menu is identical to what they had at the wool factory. I was very impressed with their execution on Ivy road for salvage brewery. Nice. I think it was, uh, I think it's going to have a lot of success there. And I think they have a captive audience, not much competition and the customer base on Ivy road and the surrounding neighborhoods is one of very deep pockets.

We tried to go there the next day because my missus was rather frustrated that I didn't enjoy the first time of going there with her. So we tried to go there the next day and it was packed following the UVA basketball game. So, Salvage Brewery, job well done on Ivy Road. I think they've done some excellent work there. We want to remind the viewers and listeners that Brad Wilcox is going to be on the show on Wednesday. He's the UVA professor who has a boatload of research on the pros and cons of marriage, including a book that's recently been published. He's on a book tour, and he's going to join us on the show. You'll have some questions for

Professor Wilcox. I'm excited to ask him some questions. He's in studio on Wednesday on the I Love Seville show. Virginia and Virginia Tech, we highlighted for you already. That game tips off tonight. Four and a half point favorites, the Hokies, not UVA. Who do you got winning that game? Are we putting a bet down? No, we're not putting a bet down.

You got the Hokies or the Hoos? I'll take the Hoos. I'll take the Hoos too. I like your style. Jerry and Jerry show tomorrow at 10.15 a.m. We're going to break down this matchup with UVA and Virginia Tech and talk UVA's chances of making the big dance,

which I do not think they are guaranteed, nor do I think it's a slam dunk that the Hoos are dancing in March. Time will tell as we head to the home stretch, the final handful of games of the regular season for UVA. Any closing thoughts for you? Stop disrespecting

our presidents. No, I'm just kidding. Anybody that's got the day off, enjoy it. Who has the day off? We've already talked about this. There are plenty of people that have the day off. You always make me feel guilty. Sorry.

It's bankers and postal workers. And some teachers and other places that offer the federal holidays off. I mean, it's not... We get federal holidays off. Just not the afterthought ones. Like this one. Okay. We get the primary federal holidays off.

Paid. Along with paid vacation. Always making me feel guilty. I'm not trying to. I'm just trying to wish the people that do have the day off an enjoyable day. Enjoy your President's Day. Yeah. Salute the

Presidents. Right. The birthdays of the Presidents. Those that are working today, which is 90% of America, if not more, realize you're not alone, and the majority of us large majority of us

are working until about 6 o'clock tonight if not later it looked like it looked like Bagby's was closed today I had some interesting stuff coming out about

about Bagby's but it's not my announcement to make but they got some stuff cooking, literally and figuratively. Nice. Alright, that's the Monday edition of the I Love Seville show. The Jerry and Jerry show tomorrow

at 10.15am with Jerry Hootie Ratcliffe, the Virginia Sports Hall of Famer to break down tonight's Virginia and Virginia Tech matchup. Join us at 10.15am tomorrow, guys. Thank youup. Join us at 10.15 a.m. tomorrow, guys. Thank you.