The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - City Asks Judge To Halt Zoning Ordinance Lawsuit; Will NZO Be One Of CVille's Top Policy Failures?

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

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and Judah. Welcome to the I Love Seville show. My name is Jerry Miller. Thank you kindly for joining us. It's Tuesday afternoon in downtown Charlottesville on a network, the I Love Seville network that, I mean, folks, it's become the source of the source, the content for central Virginia. It's just, I mean, let's cut to the chase here. I've in particular noticed it of late when we've highlighted the, when I've produced a handful of pieces of content. The content on gray star and the old IV residences went viral. The breaking news with Mickey Tavern back on the market for sale, viral. The commentary on Donald Trump, is he going to use the Federal Executive Institute gift,

the hand me down gift to Charlottesville Public Schools, a zero‑dollar 14‑acre parcel with 90,000‑plus square feet of building on that 14 acres, a gift to city schools, is he going to use that as a red carpet ribbon cutting moment where he's going to come to Charlottesville and say you guys better give me my pad on my back, my flowers, give me some props for giving you Charlottesville this gift. That went viral. The gray star commentary and analysis yesterday went viral. Large portion of the community had no idea 525 units were being built off old Ivy Road. Compounding the 525 units, a tractor trailer, ladies and gentlemen, yesterday right next to Bel Air as it was trying to make a

hard U-turn onto old Ivy Road fell off the road and the building supplies teeter tottered as if it was like a little boy and a little girl on a seesaw going back and forth, this tractor trailer kind of hovering or teeter tottering for its balance across from Bel Air with goods and materials and supplies crashing to the Virginia clay and the crumbled asphalt in Ivy causing six, seven hours of traffic delays in log jam. Geez, Louise, should that trucking company, should VDOT, should the insurance of that trucking company, Deep Throat said this yesterday, should they be doing

some kind of payout to Alamara County or us taxpayers who got caught up in that mess? How many hours of professional and personal time were cannibalized yesterday by this truck driver who tries to make a hard U-turn onto old Ivy Road to deliver some building supplies? And ladies and gentlemen, are we going to expect that? That type of quality of life impact over the next two years as this Grey Star project comes to life? We'll talk about that on the I Love Civo show. We're going to talk on the program, Al Moore County Supervisors. I got to ask the people, are they out

of touch? Got them watching the program as we speak. Raising the real estate tax rate, four cents, Judah, when head winds after head winds after head winds after head winds are ravaging, Judah, ravaging our county households. We'll talk about that on today's show. I got some highlights from the Charlottesville Area Association of Realtors first quarter report that I want to pass along to you. And ladies and gentlemen, are you seeing the coupons back? Those Groupon and living social coupons from the recession of 2008, 2009, 2010? Remember

in 2008, you could spend $25 for a $50 coupon. Spend 25, get 50. For local businesses all over town, those things are back and I would encourage local merchants that are doing this gimmick of spend $25, get you $50 to consider what you are doing. You are giving away the house with these coupons and you are commoditizing your product and your menu items. You are literally racing to the bottom. We'll talk about that on the program. We'll start with some breaking news and then we'll highlight Charlottesville Sanitary Supply as you make that one-shot dynamic, J-Dubbs. The breaking news from the Jerry and Jerry show this morning, this courtesy of Virginia Sports Hall of Famer Jerry Hootie Radcliffe, Mississippi State

and the Southeastern Conference has an opening for their baseball program, a head coach opening. And the Chitter Chatter, the Scuttlebutt, the Rumor Mill had Mississippi State getting a Brinks truck, I'm talking a Scrooge McDuck war chest of money and going after Brian O'Connor, the head baseball coach at UVA. They were going to offer this dude millions and millions of dollars carte blanche in a program that's got significant upside in the top baseball conference in America, the Southeastern Conference. And they were going to take that Brinks truck and that Scrooge McDuck war chest of gold coins and they were going to say, Brian,

here. This is for you. Jerry Ratcliffe spoke with Brian O'Connor on the phone about five minutes before walking into the studio this morning here on the I Love Seaville Network and the Virginia Sports Hall of Favor Jerry Hootie Radcliffe said I have confirmed after speaking with Brian O'Connor on the phone that coach O'Connor while flattered is not leaving Charlottesville nor is he leaving UVA anytime soon. And he's gonna say no to Mississippi State, the Brinks truck, and the Scrooge McDuck gold coins. Brian O'Connor staying home here in Charlottesville.

Charlottesville Sanitary Supply, 60 consecutive years of business. I was on the phone with John Vermillion this morning. Great man, John Vermillion. His son, Andrew Vermillion, three generations of family behind Charlottesville Sanitary Supply on East High Street. Three generations of family. The Vermillions in Charlottesville Sanitary Supply, when you're opening your swimming pools right now, that's the place you go. Water quality, education, knowledge. Charlottesville Sanitary Supply and online at Charlottesville

sanitary supply dot com. We're opening our swimming pool at Casa de Miller right now. The Bambinos are going to be jumping in the swimming pool on Friday. Good God. Summer's here. School's almost out. And my wife and I have gnawed our fingernails down to the cuticles as a seven-year-old psychopath and a two-and-a-half-year-old train wreck are going to be buck-ass naked, cannonballing into the deep end of our swimming pool saying, Daddy, Mommy, watch what I can do. The problem? The two-and-a-half-year-old can't swim, and the seven-year-old thinks he's Michael Phelps. Not just Michael Phelps, he thinks he's Kamikaze Joe driving his bike off the pool deck into the pool to see if he could clear the the the the length of the pool on a

jump that's made out of pickup sticks and and and popsicle sticks that he thinks can hold his bike in a 60 pound frame, someone pray for us. Schools out for summer. Parents, I empathize for you. Empathize with you. Judah Wickauer, studio camera, then a two-shot. The jack-of-all-wits, the jack-of-all-trades, the only man I know in the dog days of summer that can pull off an undershirt, a button-down shirt, and a sweater while not having a drop of sweat on his brow, and he does it with a smile. The affable, the lovable, Judah Wickhauer.

Which headline is most intriguing to you, my friend today? Oh man. Let's see, yeah. The $25 gift cards for a- A race bottom $50 worth of worth of product a race to the bottom That's pretty rough a race to the bottom bus a sign of the times great deals for for people who want them It's it's great deals for consumers the small business that is being suckered into these 25 get you 50 gimmicks are literally giving away the house and it is a sign of the headwinds the small business owner is

facing ladies and gentlemen. We will unpack it on today's show on the I Love Seville show and boy oh boy do we have a lot to cover. The first headline is the new zoning ordinance. We have a lawsuit, as you put that lower third on screen. The city of Charlottesville, who has no attorney on staff right now. I'll say it again.

Charlottesville, Virginia, has no attorney on staff right now. They're outsourcing their legal counsel to a third party law firm that is just sitting over there in the corner with their calculator, with their pencil in their ear. They got their calculator in their hand and they're like, oh my God, how much can we milk Charlottesville, Virginia for as the third party law firm with an active lawsuit going.

We got city counselors that got bullied bullied into a new zoning ordinance by activists and people that have no idea what they're talking about. They rolled it out almost two years ago and now we got these wealthy plaintiffs in Charlottesville that don't want to see it happening. Boy, oh boy, we got a judge in this lawsuit, a judge who lives in the city, whose wife was speaking out in favor of the new zoning ordinance and additional housing. Conflicts of interest everywhere. But guess what?

We can keep billing because those taxpayers are going to float the bill. That's what's happening right now. That's literally what's happening right now. City of Charlottesville guys asked their third party law firm, their high dollar law firm, to chat with Judge Worrell. And this third party law firm, this high dollar law firm, these three piece suit wearing lawyers have filed a new motion with Charlottesville Circuit Court Judge Claude Worell and said, Judge, will you please reconsider your ruling from the 16th of April that allowed this lawsuit to continue moving forward?

Please, Judge, will you reconsider? There's a saying in business. There's a saying at the negotiating table. There's a saying with deal brokers, kingmakers, and rainmakers, that the only people that win with controversy, with strife when the negotiation starts crumbling is the lawyers. The lawyers. That's what's happening right here. The plaintiffs that are arguing against the new zoning ordinance,

new zoning ordinance, it's all put in a nutshell for you. City of Charlottesville is about to do away with basically single-family detached zoning. It's basically gonna try to stimulate more housing supply to breed housing affordability. That's ridiculous. You do away with zoning, you're going to make the dirt more opportunistic, which makes it more expensive.

It's going to lead to more speculation and it's going to create housing product that is manifested that's going to come to market at top dollar. Perfect examples, Graystar, 525 units off Old Ivy Road. 15% of those units are tied to 80% AMI. They're calling those 15% of the 525. Quick math on that, 15% of that 525 Judah, 525 times.15. That's just 78 units. Let's call it an even 80 for the sake of a talk show.

Graystar got $74 billion in assets across 17 countries. International conglomerate said we're gonna give them 80 units of the 525. And those 80 units, ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna link to area-mediate income and we're gonna cap it at 80% well guess what those 80 units that are that are for affordable housing the area median income at that 80% is a hundred G's per family household that doesn't sound affordable to me that

doesn't sound like food stamps to me that doesn't sound like someone that's struggling to pay the grocery bills to me that doesn't sound affordable to me. That doesn't sound like food stamps to me. That doesn't sound like someone that's struggling to pay the grocery bills to me. That doesn't sound like somebody that's getting the gallon of milk and putting it under the tap. Put a little water in the gallon of milk to make the milk go further like I used to have to do in college when I didn't have any money. When I was going to the Panda Garden Buffet over there

by Lambeth Commons Kind of across the John Paul Jones arena as a broke joke college student right after college when I was launching my business And I'd go to the 495 lunch buffet at the Panda Garden with Ziploc bags stuffed in my pocket and When the very kind Asian folks at the Panda Garden buffet weren't weren't looking. I'd take that General So's and that fried rice and those fortune cookies and I'd scrape it off the plate and put it into Ziploc bags and I'd shove it in my backpack that was sitting next to me in the booth. I'd walk out of that Panagarna Buffet with three or four Ziploc bags, enough food for me for the next day and the day after, and dog food for Lucy,

the German Shepherd chow chow mix. That said, Dad, give me some kibble, I'm hungry. Here's some General Sose, and boy did she smile, and boy did that tail wag like a metronome on crack. Lucy, running over the Rainbow Bridge right now, Judah. New zoning ordinance, give me a break. Third party law firm, give me a break, begging the judge to keep the lawsuit from moving forward.

Plaintiffs digging deep heels in the sand saying we're going to do whatever it takes to win this. You heard it here and I've been saying it for years. The new zoning ordinance is going to be one of the greatest policy failures in Charlottesville, Virginia history. One of the most significant policy failures in Charlottesville, Virginia history. And speaking of Gray Star Judah,

as you get that Gray Star lower third on screen, I get this message yesterday on the I Love Seaville Network. This message from someone I trust, outdoor enthusiast Kate Lucas. I hope she hears this. She's a swimmer, she's a runner, she's a hiker, she's a biker, a mountain biker, a cyclist. She loves the outdoors. She leaves this message on the I Love Seville network. She goes, it's frustrating

and ironic that while this development, Grey Star, the old Ivy Residences, touts its own active lifestyle, its amenities, it has completely disregarded one of the most valuable existing amenities for our community, the Ravana Trail. Kate continues by writing this, without notice the section between Leonard Sandridge and Old Ivy on the furthest edge of this parcel was abruptly closed to the public at the start of construction. This portion is a key link in the 20-mile loop that circles Charlottesville and is used by walkers, runners and cyclists on a daily basis.

She spoke with a Grey Star representative and the Grey Star representative claimed the trail will be rebuilt after the two-year construction is finished. She says, however, I'll believe it when I see it. Kate adds this, blocking public access to a cherished community resource for years without a reasonable interim solution is a tone-deaf way to start a project. And she concludes with this. sadly, UVA has taken a similar approach without notice behind Darden and at the beginning of the build for the Fontaine parking deck as well. Do you see, ladies and gentlemen, what happens when we prioritize housing and density and listen to activists

before people that are actually professionally in the trenches. They scream James Earl Jones, Kevin Costner, and Shoeless Joe Jackson style, if you build it, they will come. If you build it, they will come. But what they don't think about when building the diamond in the cornfield, what they don't think about when building 525 residences off a narrow two-lane road

that is sandwiched in between two railroad overpasses. What they don't think about when they take 525 units and say 15% of them are gonna be affordable, but those 15% local officials are hoodwinked by an international developer who links them to area median income, so those 80 units are 100 grand family households and not the folks that are on food stamps can't afford the groceries

or have to go to the Panagardin buffet to steal some Chinese food to make it for 48 hours or 72 hours for the people and the dogs to live off the stolen Chinese food. They don't think about that. They don't think about the Ravana Trail, ladies and gentlemen. One of the most critical, one of the most influential, one of the most used, one of the most enjoyed trails in the region, the Ravana Trail. And now it's got broken, far from contiguous that's got broken, far from contiguous path structure. They don't think about that.

They just ramrod rooftops. And as they ramrod more rooftops, somehow they conceive or they somehow they come up with a way to continue to raising taxes on us. I'm going to weave you in here in a matter of moments, Judah Wickhauer, but explain to me how tomorrow the supervisors are going to consider a four cent real estate tax rate increase, a vote that is going to create even more budgetary revenue for Alamora County, the sixth largest county in the Commonwealth. Explain to me, viewers and listeners, at a time where the county, where Charlottesville, where central Virginia is facing the following headwinds. I'm going to give you 12 of them,

Judah. Real estate assessments are at an all-time high. All-time high right now, real estate assessments. Grocery costs are at an all-time high right now. Credit card debt is at an all-time high right now. UVA has frozen its 3% cost of living raises. UVA has frozen performance-based bonuses. UVA has frozen new hiring. UVA has frozen discretionary spending. UVA is considering asking all its employees

to take a pay cut and by asking it's no question it's a voluntold. The federal government is facing cuts. Last check there was a lot of federally employed employees in the Almaro and Charlottesville and Central Virginia area. The defense sector is facing cuts. Last check the defense sector and the federal government were the number two driver of the Charlottesville, Alamaro, and central Virginia economies. Number one, UVA, I already outlined those headwinds. Number two, defense sector, federal government,

$1.3 billion yearly impact, $1.3 billion. A joint study with the Chamber of Commerce, Alamaro County, the City of Charlottesville, and Greene County assessed the economic value of the defense sector and the government sector at 1.3 billion dollars. That was a couple years ago. It's even higher now. Inflation is crushing small business. How much is inflation crushing small business? How much are Trump's tariffs crushing small business? How much is technology evaporating job opportunity? Well you got Boylan Heights on the UVA corner today with a $25 get you $50 on the internet. You got multiple food and beverage businesses. I think I even saw the, what's the card store over there?

By the bike shop on Zan Road? Is it the deep end? I'm not sure about that. Goodness gracious. We're buying Pokemon single cards over there, our son and I. Is that what it's called? You're talking about the end? The end games? Gosh, Judah Whitmore, you're batting a thousand. The end games is doing 25 gets you 50. I love the end games The end games? Gosh, Judah, you're betting a thousand. The end games is doing 25 gets you 50. I love the end games. My kids get me into Pokemon. Boyland Heights, it was one of the most popular places forever when J.R. Hadley was running it. You've got businesses left and right that are saying spend $25 with us, we'll give you $50 to our business to spend. Those businesses are paying an old

media, a legacy media company to promote a 25 gets you 50. So it's not just the 25 they get to keep because they're paying the legacy old media company to promote this. Then we're walking into these locations with $50 in spending power after only dropping 25. That is a major red flag. A major red flag for businesses on Market Street, on Main Street, on Preston, on Fontaine, on Old Ivy, on Carlton, major red flag, headwinds galore and yet supervisors are considering a 4 cent real estate tax rate increase tomorrow. Is it tone deaf, Judah? Is it out of touch, Judah? Is Alamaro County intentionally trying to gentrify you and me, middle class, Alamaro Countyans out of the six largest county in the Commonwealth and replace us with one percenters

so I can fund its budgetary and governmental coffers? Is that what the plan is? Replace us and bring in one percenters? And lastly, Judah, you jump in here. Help me understand this. How is it affordable housing-wise to raise taxes on us? Somehow we are being tricked and seduced. We're being hoodwinked saying, raise taxes on our homes to fund housing affordability. Make it make sense, Judah. While I may be wrong about this, I wonder if it's a way of essentially taxing the rich.

Oh, here we go. But making it look equitable. Think about it this way. You tax everybody. That way nobody can say that you're singling out the rich, whatever you want to call the rich. I'm not going to say that there's some level that sets you at that, you know, that people can start calling you that. But you tax everybody and then you offer tax rebates to people with lower income. So essentially, could it be that that's a way of looking impartial while getting the money that you want and trying to help the lower income people. I'm just... Do you believe that? I don't know. Do you believe what's coming out of your mouth right now?

I didn't state it unequivocally. I'm asking questions. Do you think they just don't care about the lower income? This comment is left on the I love Seville network. It's a very good comment from Evan Poles. I hope you're watching the program today, Evan Poles. Alamora County is taxing unrealized gains. Taxing unrealized gains with our homes and continues to go after it. Evan Poles also says this, stealing more from us to subsidize housing for those that contribute to the decay of this area. I respond to that comment, there's a fine line between taxing and stealing. There's a very fine line between taxing and stealing. Are the red coats coming? Do I need to get some

Lipton and some tea leaves and throw it into the Ravana River? Do I need to get some lanterns and some horseback and find today's version of Paul Revere? Where's John Adams when you need him? All hail the king? No way, Jose. That guy's wearing a wig. We ain't hailing that dude. Look at what he's doing to our pockets and our wallets and our purses. Come on now. Carol Thorpe responds, I believe that fine line between taxing and stealing is called purpose or objective. What is the reason, purpose, objective of any particular tax? For

what is it being collected to spend upon? Suzanne Daly says on the I Love Seville network, do you actually think the Board of Supervisors cares? Truly. I'm willing to bet every member on the Board of Supervisors is in a financial situation that is untouched in the current economic climate. They do not care at all. Just like the school boards don't care what constituents bosses have to say. I respond to Suzanne Daly and say I know the boards of supervisors personally and I can tell you a large portion of them are not wealthy. Far from it. Make it make sense and help me understand. Help me understand. I think the point of looking at what they're spending it on is a very good

point. It's always a good point. It's always good to take a look at where the money is going. Absolutely insane. Ginny who watching the program. She says it was always part of the plan to Ginny Hu watching the program. She says it was always part of the plan to close part of that trail and reroute it around Grey Star. She highlights that. That rerouting has not happened. Ginny, outdoor enthusiasts are saying. Deep Throat says, Judah is right that some localities use that strategy, but it is not permissible in Virginia except very narrowly. Virginia law limits strictly who can get property tax relief. Deepthroat also adds that third party law firm that is petitioning, Judge Worrell, he says, Sans Anderson filing in the lawsuit is a joke. The claim is that the plaintiffs are trying to take over VDOT's

authority. That's not what the plaintiffs are arguing at all. They are not trying to stand in VDOT's shoes. They are saying the city did not comply with the statue on comp plans and rezonings which happened to involve mandatory consultation with VDOT. They are not asking VDOT to do anything or to arrogate any of VDOT's powers. Bad lawyering, but not a surprise when the city attorney's office is still mostly empty. He also highlights what we all discussed yesterday, the absurdity of VDOT working on old Ivy Road. VDOT, the Virginia Department of Transportation, revitalizing, enhancing, remodeling, renovating, whatever you want to call it, old Ivy Road, VDOT is

doing right now. Remember, Almore County, VDOT has got the roads. Charlottesville, city has got the roads. Almore County, VDOT has got the roads. He says how absolutely ridiculous for VDOT to be redoing the roads, the bridge, that entrance ramp, onto the bypass at the very same time that a developer international is doing 525 housing units. Absolute absurdity. What's also absurd is the project next to Moe's is happening at the same time that this project is happening. So you have in a half mile stretch, maybe

even a quarter mile stretch of Almar on the city of Charlottesville, from Moe's BBQ right next to Moe's to the Grey Star project on Old Ivy Road and VDOT doing the Old Ivy Road renovation, remodeling, revitalization, reimagining, whatever you want to call it. Three massive projects happening at exactly the same time, ladies and gentlemen. Do any of these jurisdictions pow wow and conversate, chitter chatter and meet in person to actually do some legitimate planning? Who builds 525 acres at a time

where the entry point to the 525 units? Who builds 525 units at the exact same time, ladies and gentlemen, that the Virginia Department of Transportation is doing massive road construction that's going to take a year and change, the entry point to the 525 units? And who does it at the exact same time that a 10 or 12 story building is being built within walking distance of the project? Yeah. It's a cacophony of comedic blunders.

Am I wrong? I don't know that you're wrong. Maybe comedic is not the right word. It's a cacophony of demoralizing decisions. A cacophony of disheartening decisions. Am I right? Am I wrong? Barbara Bekertillie's watching the program. I think this is Barbara Bekertillie's first comment ever in the history of the I Love Civo Network. Is that true, Barbara? Welcome to the family, Barbara Bekertillie's first comment ever in the history of the I Love Seaville Network. Is that true, Barbara? Welcome to the family, Barbara Bekertillie. She says, anyone that sat in the solid line of traffic on Route 250 at 7.30 a.m. from

Crozet on the bypass should be thrilled this is going to be there. And today there was no Interstate 64 issue throwing the excess traffic onto 250. I said yesterday on the I Love Seaville Network that if you live in Crozet, Virginia, if you live in Old Trail, if you live in Crozet and you commute into the city of Charlottesville for any reason, professional or personal, the next 24 months of your life, your commute is going to 2 to 3X in time. If you live in Crozet, Virginia, and you're commuting into Charlottesville for any reason, your quality of life just got a huge kick in the nuts. Huge kick in the nuts. And it's going to be a kick in the nuts for the next 24 months, maybe even longer.

You've got a Virginia Department of Transportation's project happening at the same time. 525 units are being built by an international developer who could give a rat's ass about Charlottesville and Amarillo County. At the same time, a 10 to 12 story apartment building is being built next to Moe's Barbecue. All in the same location, on the same entry and exit ramps of a road called a bypass that

is the beltway around the city. It's insanity what is happening right now. Just wait a little, work starts on the place next to the Omni and the former Violet Crown. Talked about that as well. No, the real situation is when the University of Virginia next to the Kimpton Hotel starts building that convention center. Barbara Becker-Tilley says a second comment, I absolutely love your show. I watch it daily. Anyone that cares and loves Charlottesville should watch the I Love Seaville show.

Probably the only place to get the real news in today's world. Barbara Becker-Tilley leaves that comment. You want to say thank you for the both of us? Thank you. We're grateful. Sincerely mean that. Maria Marshall-Barnes says not to mention the detour for accidents on Interstate 64 are all sent that way. When do we start having this conversation? Okay. When do we start having this conversation? Carol Thorpe, your comments on deck. William McChesney, your comments on deck. When do we start having this conversation Carol Thorpe your comments on deck William McChesney your comments on deck When do we start having the conversation that if 24 to 36 months with the gray star project? 525 units going on at the same time that the Virginia Department of Transportation

Traffic old ivy road project is going on at the same time that RS Is it RST that's doing it the most barbecuee's Barbecue next to Moe's in the old Truist site? Is that what it was, Deep Throat? The 10 to 12 apartments? Give me a snapshot if you could on that, Deep Throat. Why don't we start having the conversation that these projects going on at the same time for the next 24 to 36 months may start

slowing or stalling real estate sales or values from Afton, Greenwood, Crozet, down Ivey into the city. Do we have that conversation? Do we have that conversation? Think about it this way. We bought our home, our last home in Glenmore in March of 2020, at peak, at the start of COVID. We had to go into the house that we purchased that was on the market for two years because the Glenmore neighborhood was soft before COVID.

Literally houses had DOMs with 700s, 700 days attached to it. 700 days attached to these homes in Glenmore. They were not selling. Then in the beginning of COVID, I'm like, sweetheart, this is a massive opportunity. We are gonna go to one of these houses in Glenmore and we're gonna get a significant deal on one of these houses because everyone's terrified

that the world is gonna fall apart right before us. So in March, in the year 2020, when we had to enter the house in a hazmat suit, I said we're going to do it and we're going to make an offer and that offer is going to be below asking price on a home that's got a DOM over a year, maybe flirting with two. We made an offer on a house on Sandown that was aggressive, it didn't pan out. Then we made an offer on a home on Piper, they countered, I countered, they countered, we got a number that was fantastic.

And I said, we're gonna do it, we're gonna move in. And then Glenmore during COVID and the pandemic got red hot. Everyone was doing stuff outside. They wanted the walking trails, the golf course, the tennis, the swimming, the hiking trails, amenities offered in HOA neighborhoods. And Glenmore's price points and valuations went through the roof. And then just before the four year marker, as we were still kind of coming out of this COVID and pandemic hangover and haze,

I said to my wife, we're gonna sell this house. We are gonna absolutely sell this Glenmore home now. We're gonna 2X our money in less than four years, strictly for sleeping on the pillow. And we're gonna go to a part of Alamaro County that is closer to my work, to where our oldest son is going to school, and to where we spent a lot of our time at the end of the day.

And we decided to go on Ivy Road, in Ivy, down into Ivy, about five minutes from the city limits. It takes me nine minutes to get to work. And she said, why are we going to do that? Why are we going to do that? I said, sweetheart, because people are returning to office. People are getting back to their old self. And we're coming out of this haze and this hangover from the pandemic. And the traffic on Pantops with this diamond interchange and with all these houses that are being built right next

to Glenmore, Breezy Hill, Rivana Village and these neighborhoods in Fluvanna and Louisa that are sending people this way to get to the epicenter of employment past our entrance in Glenmore. They're going to be getting in the cars and it's going to be a 30 to 40 minute commute around school time, around drive-in time, around drive home time. We don't want to do this. It's going to impact quality of life. We're going to sell at the top of the market.

And we did it. And we almost 2x'd our money. We almost 2x'd our money. And then we took the gains, bought something in Ivy that was close to everything. That's four acres of swimming pool, and it's a heaven for the kids. Needed a little bit of work, but we were willing to put in the work. We had a construction crew that works for our rental properties

that was doing the work for us. And we did it. And now you look at the Glenmore Market and what's happened, Judah? It's getting soft a little bit. The DOMs are back up. Why is it getting soft? Because of a number of reasons. A, people need to be closer to work because they're RTOing. They're returned to officeing. They may be doing it hybrid, but they're RTOing, returning to office. It's getting a little soft, the Glenmore market. Why?

You see price cuts, price modifications. The pricing isn't aggressive as it was in 2023 and 2024. Why? Because Pantops and the Diamond Interchange is an effing nightmare. You want to drive from Keswick to downtown Charlottesville is going to take you half an hour. You want to drive from Keswick to downtown Charlottesville

at 5.30 or 6 p.m. or where school gets let out, it's going to take you 45 minutes, 50 minutes. Right before we moved, my wife was spending two and a half hours a day in a car driving around Charlottesville and Amar County for my kids, for our kids, for school, and for extracurricular activities. Two and a half hours she was stuck in bypass traffic. And that traffic, that headache, that long jam,

that diamond interchange, that quality of life impact has softening price points in that neighborhood, Glenmore, a gated community in Keswick. It's softened the prices. And if that traffic, that logjam, that headache can soften prices, can create headwinds and long DOMs in Glenmore, when do we ask the question, is it going to do the same thing because of a VDOT transportation road project on Ivy Road? Because of Grey Star doing 525 units on 14 acres off the bypass and because, thank you

Deep Throat, the new developer next to Moe's Barbecue? Up campus, 10 stories, 242 units, more than 500 beds. I want you to understand something, viewers and listeners that are watching our Fair and Fine talk show, and this is why you listen to the show. It spares no bullshit. It cuts straight to the chase.

You have up campus building housing for UVA students next to Moe's Barbecue. 242 units, Judah. 242 units. At the very same time that international developer, Graystar, is building 525 units next door. At the same time, the Virginia Department of Transportation is completely re-imagining old Ivy Road. Whoever allowed these projects to happen at the exact same time is a, you better help

me fill in the blank, Judah, because the word I'm going to use is not very nice. I'm not filling that word for you. Who allows 242 units to be built by a developer that's out of market that doesn't care about Charlottesville? Who allows 525 units by a developer that's out of market and doesn't care about Charlottesville? And who allows the Virginia Department of Transportation to completely reimagine the Ivy quarter

from a transportation and roadway standpoint to do all these projects at the exact same moment? It is a cacophony of horrific decision-making. How's that for some fodder for your cocktails and charcuterie party this weekend? Carol Thorpe watching the program. Jerry, the all, she's the queen of Jack Jewett, her photo on screen, Carol Thorpe. The all-democratic board of supervisors has a stranglehold on taxpayer, taxpayer money and taxpayers in Alvaro. There is no pushback, no checks and balances and no fear

that their single-party rule will lose its power. When Democrats leave the board of supervisors, more Democrats get elected to fill their seats. Unless and until voters change the political composition of the BOS or at least show up in droves at meetings and protest to shame and pressure them, get ready to bend over and pay more." She adds, perhaps it's time for a new generation to resurrect the Jefferson area, taxed enough already, Tea Party. She was the one-time chairwoman of that tea party. James Watson watching the program, brilliant man, brilliant planner, all around great guy.

I think the UVA financial muscle is behind all of these projects. The fact is without UVA we would be a one horse town. However, the question is, is UVA planning on admitting more students or something? We do know that the Biotech Institute and the Data Science School is going to increase the population.

Yeah. I also need to add that at the same time the 525 gray star units are being developed, at the same time that UpCampus is doing 242 units and 500 beds next to Ivey, next to Moe's Barbecue. At the same time the Virginia Department of Transportation is gutting Ivey Road. At the same time, out of market developer RS, out of market developer Subtext is building 1300 beds next to Scott Stadium. This is all happening right now. Subtext is doing 1,300 beds and out of market developer next to Scott Stadium. We literally have three projects that are happening at the same time that are going

to 525 units at Grey Star, 242 units next to Moe's BBQ is 767, subtext Charlottesville, I should know this, I'm disappointed in myself that I don't know this, development. How many units are at the Verve, Judah, in Charlottesville? I got it, I got it here. 1300 plus beds, that number was right. A 12 story project, 1300 beds and 25,000 square feet of amenity space. Geez Louise, hell's bells. Subtex next to Scott Stadium is building 729,262 square feet, 1,332 beds and 463 units. Jesus, are you kidding me? Judah, let's just do some basic math. All these projects are happening at the exact same time. Subtex is doing 463 units next

to Scott Stadium. Up Campus is doing 242 units next to Moe's Barbecue. 1230, 1230 units are being built right now at the same time by out of market developers that don't give a rat's ass about Charlottesville and Alamo County. 1230 units are being built right now at the exact same time, ladies and gentlemen. Why isn't old media reporting this? Why is it legacy media reporting this? Why isn't TV, print and radio talking about this? Who's talking about this besides Judah Wickauer and yours truly? Nobody else. That's why you listen to the I Love Seville show. That's why. Insanity. And all this is happening, 1230 units at the

exact same time because about 50 activists got together. They created a nonprofit and they used social media like blue sky to get in the ear of supervisors and counselors when nobody else shows up to these meetings and they just chip away. They like yip and yap. They pester. They pluck. They push. They poke. They pick. Counselors and supervisors say more housing, more housing, new zoning ordinance, no single family zoning. Make it happen. If you don't, you're a racist. If you don't, you're not going to create affordability. And now we got 1,230 new units being built at the same time and when one tractor trailer teeter totters on its side like a little Johnny and little Susie

on a seesaw on the Maryweather Lewis Elementary playground, construction materials coming crashing to the asphalt and the Virginia clay next to Bel Air as I'm eating my Keswick salty ham sandwich, the entire town comes to a standstill and is F'ed with traffic. Why? Because Charlottesville town comes to a standstill and is f'ed with traffic. Why? Because Charlottesville and Alborrow County were never set up for this kind of density. The roads were never set up. The government in Charlottesville City, did you see this headline? Local government in the city of Charlottesville is eminent, domaining people's property on High Street to create a sidewalk. I sat on this program for so long. One of the most under ‑‑ you go ahead and hear a second. One of the

most underutilized and undervalued and forgotten and underperforming stretches of roadway in a 10.2‑square‑mile city we call Charlottesville is High Street. I've said it forever. Bicyclists get hit by cars all the time. One bicyclist got hit by a car and the driver sped off. The only reason people found out about it because of the camera across the street. Charlottesville yesterday eminent domain people's property for a sidewalk. That means government took land from a private citizen and said at least we're offering fair market value for you. They're offering them fair market value for like ten feet of their property. They're giving them peanuts, pittance.

There's two of them. Tell them the story, Judah. There's not much of a story, but it's more more than just one spot there's I believe Barricks and Emmett and what's the other one there's another one I think on on High Street yeah East High Street streetscape project so they're you know they're you have government taking their land from private citizens for the sake of public utility. The definition of overreach. Make this make sense. Viewers and listeners, make this make sense for me. Are you ready for this? Make this make sense. Government is going to eminent domain ‑‑ you said East High Street, they're eminent domaining private property on East High Street and where?

Barracks? Yeah, barracks and emit. They're going to people's houses that they've owned and paying taxes on to the city for Odeogam and government saying we're going to take your yards, we're going to take your grass from you and we're going to give you some peanuts, some pennies for it. But they're not willing to do the same to John Dewberry in the downtown mall with the skeleton of the Dewberry Hotel? Good point. Explain this to me and make this make sense.

Local government, I want your land to build sidewalks. I'm taking it from you. Here's some loose change. They made deals with 19 out of 26 people whose property they wanted. 19 of 26. And this is how those deals go. City comes to you, we're going to take this and we're going to give you fair market value and there's nothing that you can do about it. Yet they won't do it for a skeleton on the downtown mall that has houseless individuals peeing and pooping on it, that has a family

of rats living within it, that has construction debris falling from 8 and 10 stories high crashing to the ground where if you're having a minute man or a emperor of clouds on the patio of Jack Brown's, your brow gets sliced and diced with fallen construction debris from the construction site across from the picnic bench you're sitting on? Make it make sense. Can you make this make sense? I can't. Seriously, can you make this make sense? I can't. No, seriously, can you make this make sense? No, I certainly would think that they would, if they were so easily going to jump to the eminent domain answer of getting property that they want, yeah, why not have used that years ago. Insane in the membrane. Insane in the brain.

Elliott Harding watching the program, fantastic defense attorney, one of the best in the game. I know we're blaming the city a lot here, but the county has restricted Grove 2 to the point that instead of expanding the base, it's raising rates, meanwhile the city is doing the opposite. George Gilmer watching the program and not too far away, don't forget the development on Rio Road, West and the one across from the tech school. It's okay moms and dads, your kids will continue learning in trailers. We're just going to force feed more people into the in Talmoore County. We're just going to force feed more people into the, in Talmore County. We're not going to have a high school in the northern feeder pattern.

And we're just going to say, look, your little Johnnies and your little Susies, they're going to learn in classrooms with 30 kids on it, and they're going to have to learn in trailers. We're going to call them educational villages, educational learning centers. But really, they're trailers. trailers. Didn't we have a graph on utilization that showed it? Elementary schools. High school is a very different story. Elementary schools. No wonder private school enrollment is up ticking and no wonder public school enrollment

is down ticking. Kids learning trailers. Come on now. It's 1 30. Goodness gracious. Where does the time go? I'm gonna have to save the car q1 2025 report news notes and tidbits for tomorrow. I caution any of the businesses that are doing spend 25 get you 50 coupons to really consider what you're offering and consider

the perception that you're creating. You're basically saying desperation. A 25 get you 50 is desperate because I'm gonna put it in perspective. Let's say on 50 bucks, your margin, if you're a restaurant, is like 8%, okay? 50 bucks on 8%, you're making like four or five bucks profit. Four or five bucks. When you're doing 25 gets you 50, you're literally when someone comes in there and spends 50 bucks losing money. And you're not keeping all the 25. You're losing money. Like you're serving customers in the red.

If you're just tuning into the program, Mississippi State is throwing a Brinks truck at Brian O'Connor and Brian O'Connor has said to Mississippi State, I ain't leaving. I'm staying in Charlottesville. That news was broken on the Jerry and Jerry show this morning. Jerry Radcliffe on the Jerry with Jerry show this this morning Jerry Radcliffe on the Jerry and Jerry show Judah Wichaur has been on absolute point of late I give him a flying chest bump, but the last time I did it and left bruise on his chest and he's still Icing the chest under his undershirt his button-down shirt and his sweater only man I know that can pull it off in 85 degrees is you. And you pull it off without sweating a bead

of sweat on your brow. It's not 85 in here. Not a bead of sweat on your brow. Judah, I am wearing a Roeback shirt that offers the warmth of, I might as well have no shirt on with this thing on. It's that thing. I'm wearing shorts and I'm free balling today.

Oh, that's something I did not need to know. I doubt anybody else cares about that. Is that TMI? That's TMI? That's the show. Judah Wickhour, Jerry Miller, The I Love Civo Show on a Tuesday. Thank you kindly for watching the program...