The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - City Hall Wants $4M For Temp Shelter At Holiday Dr; $4M More For $20M Shelter That Might Not Be Used

Episode Date: August 3, 2026

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Welcome to the I Love Sevo Show, guys. My name is Jerry Miller, and thank you kindly for joining us on the water cooler of content and conversation. It's Monday afternoon in downtown Charlottesville, and we have a lot to cover for you, the viewer and listener. There's a city council meeting tonight, and the topic matter is just wild. City Hall is going to ask of city council a $4 million allocation. Judah is going to let us know from which. fund the $4 million is going to be siphoned from in a matter of moments. But $4 million to build an emergency temporary shelter at 2000 Holiday Drive.

There's a long-term shelter that's going to cost about $20 million. It's not going to be available and open for a couple of years. We don't know who's going to staff it. We don't know who's going to run it. We don't know how it's going to operate where that money's going to come from. and the short-term City Hall wants an additional $4 million from taxpayers to fund a temporary shelter that we don't know who's going to staff it, who's going to run it, who's going to use it, and what kind of success it's going to have.

It's crazy. This is crazy town. We'll talk about that on the program today. We'll talk about on the show today the emergency school board meeting. So we are now T-minus about 18 hours, 19 hours from a school board. board meeting an emergency one of 10 a.m. start time tomorrow where school board members are going to discuss on the record the potential for a third party investigation and independent investigation into the child sex scandal that's absolutely ravaged and rocked. Alamar County parents,

frankly, parents anywhere in Central Virginia, whether you have kids in Alamore County Public Schools, whether you have elementary age kids, whether you have kids in private schools, all of us have been rattled by this story. It's a 10 a.m. start tomorrow. I want to discuss that on the show. I want to put it on your radar to encourage you, Almore County residents, taxpayers, frankly, residents of Central Virginia to patronize,

to visit, to attend, to participate in this meeting. There needs to be community action for school board members to feel pressure to do something that's right. And that's a legitimate third-party investigation, even if that third-party investigation, potentially puts school board members in a precarious position. We'll talk about that on the program today.

We're 26 days away from kickoff here in Charlottesville. The NC State Wolfpack will hit Scott Stadium on Saturday, August 29th. This is an anticipated matchup, a 330 kick on ESPN. UVA is coming off at 11-win season. This is as anticipated a start to a season as I've seen in a very long time. I would encourage you, the viewer and listener, to help me answer this question. When is the last time fans, the fan base, Wahoo Nation, have eagerly anticipated the start of a year like we are the 2026 season?

I can't think of one, frankly, and maybe a generation. Perhaps the last time was the Algrove era, and still the Algrove era, it was coming off with some continental tire bowls that had the fan base galvanized and strategize and organized. Here we're coming off a, what is it, a Gator Bowl? Ladies and gentlemen, and we have a team that's on paper even more talented than last year's 11-win season. And what's really driving the momentum is what could spill into basketball. As the basketball season is coming off a 30-win campaign and has a roster just loaded with elder statesman, a United Nations European heavy-laden basketball team. We'll talk about that today.

We'll certainly discuss it on the Jerry and Jerry Show with Jerry Hooty-Rackleff as well. That's tomorrow at 10.15 a.m. A lot I want to cover on the broadcast, including Coco's Adventure Factory and Dr. Daniel Halpert hosting a job fair a couple of days ago as he's looking to staff up his indoor entertainment park. The grand opening is near. We talked about this on previous shows. We wish him tremendous luck as he brings bumper cars and slides and arcades and virtual reality and, you know, virtual reality and, and, and, and, and, and, you know, ropes courses and trampolines to, what is it, Seminole Square Shopping Center, and what is, you know, evolving into very much an experiential shopping center with Seville Smash and Gracie Jiu-Jitsu

and now Coco's. We have acknowledged on the program that we're about two weeks away from school starting. So the grand opening is coming at the start of school, which is tough. And that's an indication of, you know, the challenges of bringing any business to market in Charlottesville, in particular, a city that's so poorly staffed with building and code inspectors. You know, we should get Dr. Halpert on the show just to talk about the challenges of bringing a business to market, a business that's $2.5 to $3 billion of skin in the game and $25,000 to $30,000 a month in rent. A lot we're going to cover on the broadcast, including trees. Yes, trees. on the downtown mall as the city of Charlottesville is trying to figure out what to do with its aging canopy in downtown Charlottesville.

Trees that have largely lived there as long as the downtown mall has been alive. 100%. 100%. And some of these trees are monsters, ladies and gentlemen. And I'm speaking from firsthand experience. I'm sitting in a building where I'm the largest owner of. I've been on the board of directors of this building, a commercial condoed building. First and second floors are commercial where I own a very large stake on the first and second floor.

The third floor are private penhouses. Penhouses that go as high as probably like a million six, a million seven. Beatrix Ox. Ludwig's X owns a penhouse on the third floor of this building. Fabulous unit she has. And I'm mentioning this because there's two courtyards in the Macklin, building here on Market Street. We're the only building in all of Market Street that has courtyards where our building does not go basically up to city property to sidewalks. We have courtyards

on either side of the Macklin building, which adds a level of aesthetic that does not exist on Market Street in any capacity. In fact, I'd be hard pressed to think of courtyards with any buildings on Water Street either. My point, in each of our courtyards, we have these huge humongous trees, one in front of us. You could probably get it on the studio camera if we showed that to them, to the viewers and listeners. What kind of trees are those, Judah? I'm far from a tree expert. Is that an oak?

I think it probably is some type of an oak, but I'm not really an expert either. I mean, these trees are, I don't want to say as old as the building. The building was converted in 1982 to a commercial condoed building away from an automobile dealership. In fact, where I'm sitting right now was the auto bay, one of the auto bays of the dealership where the cars would come in, get serviced, get work done on their vehicles, and then pull out the back of the building. Interestingly, they stored the automobiles that they had for sale here. It wasn't called Macklin Auto, but it was owned by Henry Macklin, the automobile dealership and the building. They stored the vehicles on the roof of the building. They had service elevators that transported the vehicles from ground level to the third floor to the roof where the vehicles were stored.

Wild. I learned about this through some research in the library. These oak trees in the courtyards, which the studio camera shows from time to time when we're on studio camera here on the show, they are significantly challenging to maintain. We constantly have to limb the oak trees. The oak trees are growing at a rate that are collapsing. and breaking the city-owned sidewalks and the concrete in our courtyard spaces here in the Macklin building. And that's just two oak trees for a commercial condoed building.

Imagine the amount of canopy and tree frequency or problems that come with this level of trees on the downtown mall that the city has to consider. We got a number. I mean, this is going to, I guarantee you the tree huggers are going to hate me for this. I'm a huge proponent of cutting down these oak trees in our courtyard. That number is in the vicinity just to cut down the oak tree of 20 grand plus, just to cut down the trees, ladies and gentlemen. That has not gone well with some of the other folks that are within the building

or outside the building cutting down these oak trees. It's amazing the affinity that a tree can garner from the human population. A lot I'm going to cover on the broadcast. I want to weave you in on a two-shot Judah Wickhauer. I'll ask you which headline you find most compelling, as I always do, so there should be no surprise to you. An emergency meeting tomorrow, Almore County School Board, and an emergency shelter, the hot topic of today's city council meeting for Charlottesville.

Anywhere you want to go, Judah Wickhauer, the show is yours. I'm curious about how the school board meeting is going to go there's obviously a lot of people very interested in the outcome there

I have not really I don't really have an idea of how the school board feels about all this we have not not really heard from them at all. And I'm curious. Okay, my two shot, if you could frame that a little cleaner. I'm all frame on that two shot. Thank you very much. Tuesday, tomorrow, 10 o'clock for that

Almore County School Board meeting. Parents want to know. We're a couple of weeks away from Almore County Public School starting. Philip Reese sends me a comment just now the chair of the Almaro County Republican Committee and a all-around good guy he says the school board tomorrow will not have public comment at the meeting. I find that to be such

Bush League behavior from the school board. First the calling of a 10 a.m. meeting. That's a very handsome photo over there, Philip Reese over there in the suit. Is that at our friend Richard Fox's place right there, Philip Reese? no public comment at the school board meeting tomorrow at 10.

Yeah. And then also throw in the fact that it's a 10 a.m. meeting on a work day. Yeah. We're a couple of weeks away from school starting. Like parents have to wonder what they're sending their kids into, right? Like, I'm less worried about, like, you know, kids are rude. I know from our sons, from their friends, if you give kids an opportunity, opportunity to rise to the occasion. They will do so. Our oldest son, Trey, has absolutely fallen in

love with this game called Squash. I think he has played 95% of the days this summer. Like, literally, 95% of the days has done every camp possible that the Borset has offered Squash. We've done some camps In Long Island with corner squash, he is playing with me routinely hours a day, including on the weekends, on top of working out afterwards on his own accord. You can't push an eight-year-old to do stuff. The eight-year-old needs to want to do it for it to actually get done. If you're pushing an eight-year-old, especially one as stubborn as mine, they're eventually going to say, stop it. I don't want to do this anymore. He wants to do it.

He's rising to the occasion at a clip that I did not see ever coming. And I've learned by watching our sons, our oldest in particular, our youngest is still very young, he's three, that when given an opportunity to shine, they will rise to the occasion. I think the kids will rise to the occasion in these adverse circumstances at Almore County Public Schools. What I'm concerned about is the parents, the parents, this level of uncertainty of what they're sending their kids into, has got to leave, give everyone pause. what kind of cover-ups going on? What else has not been disclosed?

What else should we know about that isn't transparent? Why is the school board covering things up? Are they covering things up? What happened with the superintendent? Mike Sweeney, I saw a headline on Sweeney, he has a court appearance, Mike Sweeney, next Monday, where he's going to appear.

The former Hollymead staffer back in court next money at 9 a.m. for a status hearing. So we'll start to get a little bit of communication and transparency of what's going on with this awful situation this month, folks, as kids are going back to school. Comments, put them in the feed, I'll relay I'm live on here. Philip Reese says that meeting is also located in a small conference room and not in the main auditorium. Like all these tactics utilized by the school board to limit participation and engagement. 10 a.m. meeting on a Tuesday, work day, not in the actual auditorium where school board meetings are had, and no public comment. Philip Reese, I bet you will be there. Jim Hingley watching the program.

He says the courtyard at 6.01 East Market Street used to be restaurants there, tin whistle and tonic restaurant. I guess you would call that a courtyard. That courtyard is where Tonic is. Yeah, of course. That's not specific to one building, though. Right. I guess I should have been more clear. And to Jim Hinchley's point,

I appreciate the point of clarification. The Macklin building courtyards are specific to the Macklin building. Those courtyards... Is that considered Macklin as well? What's that? The unused space and ex-was. Yeah. That's Macklin.

Where Ron Shuey's Airbus. Studio was. Ron Shui had an airbrush studio and a, and a CPA practice. Think about both sides of the brain Ron Shui was utilizing, Airbrush Studio and a CPA. He at one time had Julia Roberts as a client, the late Ron Shui in the office space literally right next to ours. His wife, Linda Shui... Doing CPA work for her or doing... CPA work, accounting, yeah. It wasn't airbrushing Julia Roberts, Judah. Ron Shui's late wife Linda Shui or excuse me

Ron Shui is past Linda Shui is very much alive she's a phenomenal human being she's a retired Almaral County Public School teacher I believe a math teacher of some kind Ron Shui was an incredible human being and interestingly in the space right next to mine

Ron Shui's space where he had a CPA and Airbrush studio that used to be a Greek restaurant back in the day So there used to be tables out here in a Greek restaurant on Market Street. But to Jim's point, and I appreciate Mr. Hingley, who always holds us accountable. Thank you, Jim. We love when you participate with the show.

The courtyard across from the police station, I'll call a courtyard. I think it is a little bit different than ours, but to his point, he's right there. William McChesney is watching the broadcast. Definitely better than ours. I mean, it's got a bar. Yeah, a bar, it's got a fountain, it's got planters. But it's not specific to one building. That's a shared courtyard.

That's not tied specifically to one building. And it certainly doesn't have the challenges of massive oak tree. Well, does the tonic one have an oak tree in it? I couldn't see where there's got an oak tree. I don't think it has an oak tree, but. It certainly has had its challenges of maintaining a restaurant tenant. Tin whistle, tonic, Uncle Charlie's, Cafe Bachi, come to mind.

Hank Martin watching the program, his photo on screen. In Almar County Public School now, the three hours of education are re-entry, risk, and... I mean, this is a little... In nine days, school resumes and still no-deal answers. The meeting tomorrow at 10 is in a small conference room, and public comment will not be allowed, buckle up. This is destined to be a long ride on a bumpy bus this year.

I think there's some truth to that. It's up to leadership to figure out how to make it less bumpy, whether they do that or not only time will tell. What are your expectations of the meeting? I honestly don't know. I mean, are people allowed to attend it? Is it just, I'm curious about the whole process of this thing, seeing as how they're not going to allow anyone to talk. It's not in the usual spot. Is this a, you know, is this a meeting where they discuss how, how, how to make the school system come out of this smelling like roses, or is this an honest discussion about, you know,

how to prevent something like this in the future, and how are we going to hold accountable those who blocked favorable action in the case of everything that's happened here? I think we're going to see, my prediction, is an incredibly guarded school board with what they say on the record, a school board that's been coached on what to say and what not to say, much less monologing and pontificating, much less perspective shared and much more cautious,

towing the company line language. And I think we're going to be left after tomorrow's meeting, aggravated and infuriated. My hope there's a third party that's been hired or a plan to hire a third party. I think we should be cautious when a third party, if a third party is hired and ask ourselves,

what is the true investigative freedom given to that third party? Is it a third party like you see with the University of Virginia? that is more aid than independent. That's what I would be very cautious on. I think the lead of the show should be the meeting tonight, viewers and listeners, put those headlines on screen. City Hall is going to ask City Council tonight for $4 million.

This is a part of the council agenda that's already public. That $4 million, Judah, is going to come from which fund? That will come from the capital and capital, program essentially what happens is at the end of a year if the if the city has a surplus that surplus if it hasn't been used by the end of the year goes into the capital improvement program and so what they want to do is they want to take four million dollars out of the capital improvement program and use it to spruce up the 2000 holiday drive space so that it can be used for homeless the homeless population

whether or not they will decide to actually move over there. I think that's a... I want you guys to understand the lunacy of what's happening here. The city in the fourth quarter of last year spent $6.2 million on a building and had no plan for the building. It was an office building that had sat vacant for a while. Here we are 10 months removed from that purchase, and still there is no plan.

plan. There's three nonprofits, the Blue Ridge Area Coalition for the Homeless, Patcham, and the Haven, that are angling to be a part of the business of homelessness, if you may. But still, there's no clarity. We don't have architectural drawings. We don't have conceptual drawings. We don't have artificial intelligence drawings, visualizations of any capacity. I don't know about that. What we know is there's 80 cots. It's gone from a 200 plus situation to an 80 cot situation. We don't have commitment from the houseless population on whether they'll even use the shelter.

In fact, many of the houseless population have indicated that they would rather not use structuralize shelters and rather instead live on their own. Now the city is asking taxpayers for four additional million We're already going to be about 20 million in and a few years down the road before 2000 Holiday Drive is ready to go. But in the meantime, they want $4 million more of taxpayer dollars, and that $4 million as a temporary emergency shelter at 2000 Holiday Drive. We're going to be soup to nuts in at about $24 million back of the napkin, and that's before overruns. That's before additional expenses.

That's before cost of goods, labor, and any other inflationary headwinds hit this project. Not to mention the yearly layout for whatever, for food, for services. The cost to manage the facility in perpetuity who will fund it is that taxpayers as well. You see why the businesses in that holiday drive corridor are terrified. And frankly, why we should be terrified as taxpayers. Judah. Yeah, I was going to build on the local business is being terrified, and it's not just, you know, anybody that tells you that it's all about NIMBYism is not being, is not being, is not being honest or charitable, because, frankly, we've already seen what we're likely to see

at 2000 Holiday Drive right off of the, right off of Freebridge. You can go walk across, Freebridge and look at the tent town and we've had two deaths. We've had two rapes. We've had two fires. You're around the clock policing, two dedicated officers, more calls for service for this area per capita than any other neighborhood in the city. And so business owners are looking at 2000 Holiday Drive and we're building in jail. Janice Boyce Trevillian makes this comment, it's a great one. Imagine what $4 million could do for Charlottesville City Schools. Imagine what $4 million could do for Charlottesville City Schools, ladies and gentlemen.

Imagine what $4 million could do for a housing affordability fund or down payment assistance for frontline workers like police officers or EMTs, firefighters, nurses and teachers. Can you imagine the upside of some kind of $4 million endowment? An endowment that's created for down payment assistance for teachers, nurses, firefighters, police officers, and EMTs specifically. You work in the city. You want to live in the city.

This is what a hand up looks like instead of a handout. A hand up is we want a more eclectic, diverse Charlottesville City. we want our teachers, nurses, EMTs, firefighters, and police officers to live within city limits. We're not going to pay for their housing. Right. We're not going to cover their loan in totality, but we'll help with some down payment assistance. And that scenario, a $15, $20, $30,000 down payment goes a really, really long way. No doubt.

And when you take a $4 million and you invest it in an endowment type of capacity where year over, year over year, over year in perpetuity, It drives return on investment. Then you have truly an asset for the community. Here, instead, they're taking $4 million from the capital improvement fund, and they're allocating it to an emergency shelter, a temporary shelter at the site of the long-term shelter, a temporary shelter that they're not sure anyone's going to use, at the site of the long-term shelter that they're not sure anyone's going to use,

a temporary shelter where there's no plan for what it's going to look like or who's going to staff it at the site of the long-term shelter where there's no plan or idea of who's going to staff it moving forward. Right. If the $4 million was going towards part of what would eventually be the $20 million buildout on Holiday Drive, that might be, you know, that's a consideration. But if you're just blowing $4 million and then you're going to undo everything that you've done with the $4 million because you later have to completely remodel the place to,

do the $20 million. And how do you even do the $20 million remodel if there are people living at the location that the $20 million remodel is going to happen? Yeah. How do you do that? Will there be a time when they have to leave? Will, you know, will that be, how long will that be? Is it going to be during the winter?

Is it going to be during the summer? How are going to be right back where we started here? The papers are already talking about, you know, the second tearing down of, a of a tent town, is there going to be another one somewhere in our future because we don't have a plan in place for, you know, for what this temporary shelter is going to do when it comes time to renovate it so that it can become a permanent shelter. Jennifer makes the point on one of 17 Facebook pages or utilize the $14 million or utilize the $4 million to help trim taxes. Utilize the $6.2 million already spoutile

to help trim taxes and the additional money to help trim taxes. From Jennifer, Deep Throat says, the only consolation for me... Consolation. The only consolation for me is... Consolation. Thank you, Grandma. The only... Go ahead, Judah. Consolation.

Okay. Everyone loves the corrector of the... The corrector of the words over and over again. Is the city decides to spend this money on their own accord, they're going to waste it. It's a city run by morons. That's what he said. Okay. He says they're going to waste the money. Anyway, but to your point, Judah, to your point here, is this just burnt money?

Yeah. Which is sad. That's $4 million. I mean, you've already laid out some of the good that can be done with it. There are, I'm sure there are as many ideas as there are people in the city. But, you know, some people will say, oh, well, you know, that's just surplus. Yeah? Why waste it?

Exactly. So this time tomorrow, we'll be on the show and talking about how 2000 Holiday Drive is $4 million more costly for taxpayers. This time tomorrow. And there's no plan in place for who's going to run the temporary shelter. Right. And you can't just leave the inmates in charge of the prison. This is why those businesses are terrified around Holiday Drive. Yeah.

Without question, they should be. Imagine the three hotels there. The hotels are already discussing whether they're going to need to lock their doors before, you know, by 9 o'clock in the evening. And how about this whole taking concept we discussed on Friday, this legal framework where you can document a lost revenue tied to something the city is done and then ask the city to make up the difference? Let's give some attention to Charlottesville Sanitary Supply and Charlottesville Swimming Pool Company. Nearly 63 years in business for Charlottesville Sanitary Supply and Charlottesville Swimming Pool Company. East High Street is their location. Online at Charlestfulanitary Supply.com, an e-commerce store where you can buy anything and everything cleaning related,

including meal of vacuums, bono wood flooring product, anything sanitary, any of your sanitary needs. And I'll tell you what, their swimming pool business is just on fire. water testing, chlorine, pool covers, pool robots, shade for your swimming pool, above ground pool construction, in ground pool construction, John and Andrew Vermillion, 8 plus people. Charleston Sanitary is a polite, ladies and gentlemen. Judah Wick Coward, is there a council member tonight that says that votes no to the 4 million? You're joking, right? Is there?

Would Lloyd vote no? Would Lloyd Snook say, I'm going to. going to cast a no. We know Jen Fleischer's going to say yes. We know, I mean, Juan Diego Wade, I mean, of course he's going to say yes. Michael Payne will say yes. Does Oceanomics vote no? Does Snookering vote no? I think they vote yes. This is a 5-0 vote. Is this a prop that? You say it's a 5-0 vote waiting to happen? You really think that there's at least one member of the Charlottesville City Council that's going to vote no I don't if there was it would probably be Lloyd if there was it would probably be from someone that has a plan an idea on what to do

and that's how I would cast the boat is like and so they're just going to go with with what we've got here and that's what I would do to to cast my vote as I would say there's no plan here yeah and I'm going to vote no, not because I'm against it, but I'm going to vote no because there's no plan. Right. We can't just toss four million dollars into the air and hope that it helps with people. And the most wild circumstance of all this is the actual folks at the Rivana River encampment have indicated to local officials that they have no motivation to go to holiday drive. And most of them probably don't need to go anyways. Most of them probably need to go to Drug programs.

Rehab. You know, mental health care facilities. I mean, I'm not, I don't know the people on the trail, but there are not, you know, there are not needles strewn on the trail and on the river because these are fine upstanding citizens. And I'm not impugning them, but they need help, whether it be, you know, whether it be rehab or just, you know, mental health services. And I don't think the $4 million is going to get any of that going in the holiday drive vote.

No, that's going to be the absolute basics. They are planning to have that. I don't know that any of the groups involved have the ability to help with any of those things. So I'm not sure how they're going to do it. But, I mean, I guess there's always a time to plan tomorrow. Philip Dowell says, the residents have the city by the balls. The residents are not going to move. How is the city planning on moving these residents?

William McChesney says, $4 million for trees. We'll talk about trees on the downtown mall here in a matter of moments. Vicki Sneed, thank you for liking the show. All right, we cover the emergency school board meeting tomorrow at 10. Carol Thorpe and Dan Lee, welcome to the broadcast. Print radio and television, welcome to the broadcast. Hank says endless tax dollars without accountability is not compassion. It's institutional enablement.

Funding recurring crises without requiring self-reliance creates a toxic loop, using taxpayer money to sustain the very problems that justify expanding bureaucracy. Real compassion demands back. boundaries and results, not endless spending. That's why the Salvation Army is a high barrier shelter. And that's also why that Salvation Army has a very proven track record of assimilating its shelter residence into civilization, into working jobs and careers and paths of upside.

Because they show a desire to get help. Because they have rules, no getting high, no getting drunk, not being sex offenders, violent offenders. There's criteria. A low barrier shelter with no barrier to entry is... Like they said, it's enabling. We found out last week that folks being released from the Alamara County jail are going to the encampment to live in temporary capacity.

uncertain of what their future is, out of the jail, trying to get their feet, their footing on the ground. They were going to the Rivenna encampment. That is a microcosm of what's happening here. Next headline, what do you got you, to Wicower? Coco's. Sure. Let's get Coco's on screen. Dr. Daniel Halpert's come on the show a few times.

We broke the news on the I Love Seville Network that Coco's Adventure Factory is opening in the Seminole Square Shopping Center. We need to get Dr. Halpert back on the program. I'll work to do that. He had a job fair over the last few days. I think it was July 30th, the job fair. They are staffing and on the cusp of opening on Hillsdale Drive, 393 Hillsdale Drive. It's going to be an incredible facility.

We offered some of the details of what was going to happen. On the break and use story, we did about 18 months ago, which is absolutely wild that this happened. 18 months ago. I wish this man nothing but success. He's got tremendous skin in the game. And by tremendous skin of the game,

I'm talking $3 million buildout, Judah. I'm talking 34,000 square feet, monthly rent in the $25,000 to $35,000 a month range, a 10-year personally guaranteed lease. This business has got

to work for him. And it was expected to open in the spring. And here we are two weeks from school opening. His primary base is school-age children, customer base, and his doors aren't open. This is an example of some of the challenges of doing business in the city. He's close to opening, but schools two weeks away from starting. That puts things in perspective. Nothing but love for Dr. Halpert and Coco's. That is very close to opening. Georgia Gilmer watching the program. She says not really on topic, but what is happening with the Holiday Inn, 1901 Emmett Street, that was going to be converted

to apartments. I have to look into that. George Gilmer, I don't have that answer off the top of my head. Anything you want to add on Coco's, Judah? I'm excited. Not that I'm going every weekend, but we used to have, you know, Charlottesville is a great place, but coming from, you know, coming from other cities, other states, I miss a lot of the, just the different things that you could do. Charlottesville is lacking, you know, a good play area. Like we used to have the, what was it, Planet Fun? It would be nice to have something like that again. John Blair watching the program on LinkedIn. Jerry, do you know, the footprint of the internal building at 2000 Holiday Drive. I asked because if a commercial

kitchen is not already on site, even part of the four million is spent, if even part of the four million is spent to install a commercial kitchen, that should be a cost that transfers from the temporary to the permanent facility. I can offer some clarity. There's not a commercial kitchen on site. Not a commercial kitchen. I'll offer some more clarity. There was the the Wells Fargo bank space on the downtown mall. And I was working to find a potential operator for the Wells Fargo space on the downtown mall and a lease for that space. And I'm not going to say Hugh,

but I had a conversation with one of the most established restauranteurs in Charlottesville, Almore, and Central Virginia, who walked the space a number of times. including with his team, studied blueprint architectural plans, and kick the tires for cost and build out on that Wells Fargo space of the downtown mall. We're talking 5,000 plus square feet. Sexy space, nearly 40-foot ceilings, coffered, marble floors, one of the best available spaces for rent right now in Charlottesville on the downtown mall, massive floor-to-ceiling windows. The idea was to call the

new restaurant currency the safe was going to be a showcase for wine bottles a trophy room for wine bottles the other safe was going to be a private dining room the the teller windows

and the bank were going to be the bar a mezzanine was going to be built the double-door entry was fantastic for a high-end restaurant it was going to be called currency and kicking the tires to build that space out the restaurant build out was about $1.5 million. I cannot imagine the cost at a 27,000 square foot,

square foot brick Georgian if a commercial kitchen is pursued for 80 individuals that are going to be sleeping there 24-7-365. The cost for something like that. I do not, that's millions of dollars right there. If a 5,000 square foot restaurant kitchen buildout is going to be a 1.5.5 I'm not even sure what it would be. That's out of my pay grade for 27,000 square foot homeless shelter. Comments put them in the feed. I'll relay them live on air here at the 117 marker. I do have a 130 real estate showing coming up here.

Next headline, Judah Wiccaro, what do you got? I want to get to the tree replacement story. I also want to celebrate Conan Owen and Charlottesville and Sir Speedy Central Virginia. Sir Speedy Central Virginia is a partner of the show. of the show. Mr. Owen is the proprietor and owner of Sir Speedy of Central Virginia. And this business is, we have 24 rental properties. My firm, we own 24 rental properties. Signage needs for these rental properties, especially the commercial ones. We contact Sir Speedy of Central Virginia. The studio I'm sitting in, the signage on the storefront,

Conan Owen and Sir Speedy of Central Virginia are building the signage. Conan and Sirius, Virginia, direct mail signage, windows decal, window decals, lanyards, uniforms, stickers, you name it. Sir Speedy is central Virginia locally owned and operated. Talk to me about trees on the downtown mall. I think this is a potentially more significant story than we're potentially giving credit for. Yeah, I mean, trees oftentimes go unnoticed or undernoticed, and I think that's the case here. Imagine if, imagine if no matter what time of day you were walking on the downtown mall,

you were just getting hammered by the glaring, blazing sun. And not only that, but, you know, threes are nice. Greenery makes the downtown mall, you know, gives it some of its charm. and being 50 years old, and I don't know a whole lot about trees, and we've got a famous oak, I think, out by the airport. It's like 450, 500 years old. I think that gets harder when you've got areas like this,

that you can't just allow unfettered growth. and there are also trees that just don't last as long. And so what they're looking at is the fact that some of these trees on the downtown mall are starting to age out or die. I mean, look at the oak tree in our courtyard. I mean, look at how much we've limned this thing. Can we show them the limbs? This courtyard oak tree is 50 or 60 years old.

It's in a downtown setting, and it's literally, destroying the sidewalks on Market Street. It's crushing the concrete. See how many of the limbs we've cut off this oak tree? It's literally a shadow of its former self, pun intended. The oak tree, if it knew it was, it would be living as it is today, it would be humiliated. It's like, have you ever had a dog? Judah, you've had a dog like this. I've had three dogs in my lifetime. Lucy, a chow German Shepherd mix. You remember Lucy, the beautiful brown dog. Leo, the purebred, all-black German Shepherd with brown socks, and Max the saddleback German Shepherd. Leo and Lucy, phenomenal dogs. They've since crossed the rainbow bridge. Lucy, because she was a mixed,

lived 17 years. 16 years of her life, they were phenomenal. The last year was awful. She was urinating herself, defecating herself, running into walls, having seizures, struggling to get up. She hated living. It was because of me, she lived that extra year because I was selfish and did not have the courage to put her down. One of the regrets I have in life. If Lucy knew that she would live the last year of her life in that capacity where she was constantly having accidents,

running into walls, struggling to get up and having seizures, she would have begged me throughout her first 16 years on this planet to please put me down. This oak tree outside the Macklin building, if it knew, if trees are in fact living creatures, like some like to position them are, and the same breath of dogs and humans, okay,

this tree is a shadow naked version of its former self, and it would be disappointed in what it's quite, quality of life is. But the tree huggers in this building and around this building and on Market Street or downtown think a naked oak tree that's pretty much a stalk and a stump with limited branches is paramount for quality of life in downtown Charlottesville. There is something to be said for shade. A wise man once told me about trees. Others will regrow in their place. If you plant something, it's also going to take, in the case of something like this, a really long time. That's why I appreciate what's going on in the downtown mall, because

let's see, there are oaks, there are maples, and this article says that nearly half of them are showing signs of decline. The mall was originally designed with 125 trees as of July, 108 remain. Right. I think we're making a very similar point. And so I'm not disagree. agreeing with anything you say. I'm saying... When they initially planted this oak tree outside this building 60 years ago, they never anticipated what this situation would look like 60 years from now. They certainly didn't know what it was going to look like.

It's buckling the sidewalk in the road. How it has flown under the radar of Charlottesville City when it's a block away from City Hall is wild to me. What I appreciate here is that... They've already removed some due to poor health, obviously 17, making the number 108 left over from the 125. And so they are currently planning to start planting trees. And I'm glad that they have a plan. Over the next 25 years, the department plans to make phased tree replacements, starting with the open area besides

the Paramount Theater. And rather than, see, my problem with this is that you're going to end up with a giant stump. It's probably going to cost you thousands more to get rid of the stump. And then are you, you're going to plant a tree? I mean, it'll be nice. It'll be nice to have a little tree there, but it's not going to provide the shade that this one does.

Exactly. And so I appreciate... Nor will it destroy the sidewalk, the cement, the road or impede upon wheelchared taxpayers and residents that are literally struggling getting down the sidewalk and a major artery called Market Street. Like, seriously, you've seen it, right? I've seen people stumble. Yeah, and we were walking.

Like, the elderly struggle here. Yeah. You know, I... Fortunately, the city has done some planing some trimming of the sidewalk blocks, whatever you call the squares. Shaving. And evening things out for people. But I appreciate here the plan to not wait until the trees are buckling things.

Like this. To not wait until the trees are old and ready to fall down on someone's building. Not wait until the very last minute. and not wait until action is 100% required. Like this. Yeah. Like this. Make plans and carry them out and make sure that the downtown mall remains the beautiful promenade that it somewhat is.

Beautiful, well said, perfectly said, brilliantly said Judah Wickham. Thank you. Said it better than I could say. this is a reaction. This is not a plan. Right. Outside the studio. First hand.

That one's even more damaging on the other courtyard. But protect the trees, even if it means special assessments and rising monthly dues associated with concrete maintenance or concrete destruction, the trimming or cutting down of limbs, and the potential hazard. created by set trees, but protect the trees. I mean, I'd like to see, I'd like to see a plan where, you know, maybe they create a space for a new tree and get that started before, you know, before deciding to tear down these monsters. We'll get to some comments. Holly Foster's watching the program.

She's the queen of Henrico. She visits Charlottesville often. She lives in Henrico. She is one of our favorite viewers and listeners of the show. She's a woman of tremendous means. She loves to finder things in life. And she's, I mean, frankly, someone that you want visiting Charlottesville often. She spends money, has champagne taste, love Charlottesville, and then goes to Henrico, back to home.

She's an awesome person. She says, I would not stay at any of those hotels or visit any of the nice restaurants. on Holiday Drive if they move the homeless there without someone running the building and extra around the clock police protection. And she said, Holly Foster, if city council approves that money tonight, they should be voted out of office tomorrow. That's Holly Foster right there. And she's very reasonable woman.

Ellen Adams, welcome to the broadcast. Vicki Harris watching the show. I think Charlottes should have more places like the new Cocoes that will be opening soon. When you go to Pigeon Forge or Gatlinburg, Tennessee, there's always a lot of active things to do every day for all age people, but you do have to watch out for the bears there. I miss the carnivals and parades, etc. that brought people together from all over our city. Everyone have a blessed day. Vicki Harris, thank you for that comment. Martha Freeman, welcome to the broadcast. Philip Dow throws shade, pun intended, at council and its inability to manage the tree project in downtown Charlottesville. Georgia Gilmer, the city is going to use the CI fund that should be allocated towards the tree project for the temporary homeless shelter. The $4 million that they're going to allocate to this temporary shelter, that $4 million should be allocated to city schools or some kind of down payment assistance for frontline workers.

It should not be allocated to a temporary shelter that may not be used and may not be staffed and has no plan. The site of the long-term shelter that may not be used, has no staff, and has no plan. End of the program. Stanley Martin, Judah Wickauer was on fire today. Stanley Martin, a partner of the show. They're dedicated to building homes that cater to each person's unique needs and lifestyles. I don't know if you've known this, or you know this, but Stanley Martin Holmes has built nearly 600 homes, ladies and gentlemen.

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