The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Dead Body At Tent Town Under Free Bridge; Councilor Payne Said Someone Would Die On 5/5/26

Episode Date: June 10, 2026

The I Love CVille Show headlines: Dead Body At Tent Town Under Free Bridge Councilor Payne Said Someone Would Die On 5/5/26 2 Dead In Last 6 Months At City-Approved Tent Town Sam Sanders vs Matt Haas: Who’s More Embattled? Woodard Pays Mark Brown $15M For City Market Lot Brown Then Buys Wawa 5th St Ground Lease For $9.1M Underdeveloped City Parcels With Most Upside What Parcel Will Face Most Backlash When Developed? Read Viewer & Listener Comments Live On-Air The I Love CVille Show airs live Monday – Friday from 12:30 pm – 1:30 pm on The I Love CVille Network. Watch and listen to The I Love CVille Show on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, iTunes, Apple Podcast, YouTube, Spotify, Fountain, Amazon Music, Audible, Rumble and iLoveCVille.com.

Welcome to the I Love Seville Show, guys. My name is Jerry Miller, and thank you kindly for joining us on a Wednesday afternoon in downtown Charlottesville. Today's show is well-rounded. You know, there's oftentimes I sit behind this microphone putting a show together that's 45 minutes to one hour every day, and I'm extremely eager and excited to talk about our headlines, which you see on screen. There are other times when I'm sitting behind this microphone, and I'm asking myself, this is a city of maybe 50,000 people. This is a region of maybe 300,000 people. And the challenges of finding content that are in everyday standpoint are real.

It's very real. We'll talk about that on the program today. Judah Wickhauer and I are going to have a conversation on a array of things. We may want to leave that computer alone because it's a little choppy there, J-dubs. So if you could do that now, that would be appreciated. A lot I want to cover on the program, including some real estate news. That's some of my favorite kind of contact. I mean, when it's all set and done, that's how we make our living.

Mark Brown, goodness gracious, he sells the city market lot to wooded properties for $15 million. Then he'd 1031s into the ground lease on Fifth Street, the Wawa Ground Lease, for the tune of $9.1 million. As Deep Throat is setting me a message, he's in Montana. right now at his sprawling ranch, love deep throat, by the way. He wonders what else Mark Brown must have purchased? I mean, if he sells for $15 million on the city market, the city market lot, 9.1 for the Wawa lot, that's roughly $6 million left over. What else did Mark Brown buy with this 1031 strategy? We'll explain a 1031 exchange on the program today. We're going to talk about the dead body found overnight at tent town. I mean, tent town is Skid Row. City Council and City

Hall have a loud skid row to materialize, to be birthed here in Charlottesville. I'm going to play a 60 or 90 seconds of audio of sound from a city council meeting from about a month ago, where Michael Payne, who is the most, I mean, Michael Payne is a socialist. Michael Payne is to say he's the most progressive on counsel is an absolute understatement. He is a socialist through and through. He's in his second term on counsel. Michael Payne is the guy who, at the start of his second term in January, said, I should be elected by my counselors as mayor.

And not a single person voiced support for Michael Payne as mayor, not a single one. Juan Diego Wade got picked for a second term as mayor. He said a month ago Michael Payne that someone was going to die at Tentown at Freebridge, and now we have a death. In less than six months, ladies and gentlemen, there are two dead and one fire, a fire we've been told from sources originated through the cooking of heroin on a spoon in Tentown. We've heard complaints of human feces by the pounds, by the tonnage human feces.

We've heard complaints of dirty used heroin needles, folks chasing the dragon, white China, all over tent town, and still nothing has been done. And I look at the weather app, temperatures in the next handful of days are going to be in the mid to upper 90s. Do you think winter is dangerous for tent town residents? Imagine when it's knock, knock, knocking on the door of a hundred. hundred degrees. There's no shade. There's no water. There's no relief. And when do we start asking the question, who's accountable here? Did this individual die on Tentown, on Al Morrow County soil, on Charlottesville City soil? Did this individual die on private soil, private land? where did this person die? Who is responsible?

Is there any lawsuit here? And it's a natural segue into Sam Sanders, the city manager. Look, Sam Sanders is an affable guy. He's a likable guy. He's an approachable guy. Sam Sanders is intelligent. I've had conversation with Sam Sanders. He is intelligent.

He knows how to play the game. Sam Sanders in a lot of ways is pigeon-held by a city council that can't find their way out of a forest. If you stuck the current city council in a wet paper bag, they would be suffocated to death because they could get away from the Ziploc sandwich that's at the bottom of the back. I'll be very straightforward.

And the viewers and the council that's watching this program is not going to like to hear that, but I'll say it again. You take the five counselors and you put them in a brown, wet paper bag with some luncheables, A ho-ho, a little Debbie cake, a Capri son, one of those go-go-squeezed yogurts that my kids are freaking drinking every single day, those things ain't cheap. And a bologna sandwich with some cheddar cheese, the five counselors would suffocate to death next to the bologna sandwich and the cheddar cheese. And you're doing it for my oldest son, cut it diagonally. Jesus, if you cut that bologna sandwich right across the middle, he's going to be angry.

It's got to be diagonal. A lot we're going to cover on the program, and we're going to ask the question on the show today. Matthew Haas, the superintendent of Almoreal County Public Schools, or Sam Sanders, the city manager of Charlottesville, Charlottesville City. Who's the most embattled leader? Tonight, parents are going to persecute Matthew Haas because two men, God, it's always the men.

It's always the sketchy men. Two men employed by Almaro County Public Schools are sexual. deviance, children pedophiles, deviance, the worst kind of people. And parents should persecute the school board and persecute Matthew Haas tonight. The only saving grace that the school board has

is today's Jefferson Swim League opening night. Thousands of kids and thousands of parents are going to be Borsheads at Farmington tonight. There's a big one at the Hollymead swimming pool. The only saving grace that Matthew Haas and the school board have is its opening night for the Jefferson Swim League, and a lot of parents are going to be distracted by their speed-o-clad kids in Olympic-sized pools, pursuing their Michael Phelps' gold medal dreams. A lot we're going to cover on the program.

I'm going to talk the most underdeveloped parcels today. There's incredibly obvious ones, right? incredibly obvious underdeveloped parcels in the city are the Woodard-owned Kim's Market. That's turned into a nightmare for everyone. Incredibly obvious, underdeveloped parcels in the city are the obvious ones. The Alan Kajin-owned parking lot

next to the Market Street Market. Alan Kajin watches and listens to the program. Called me last week to chastise Judah Wickhauer, my co-host, when Judah Wickhauer compared him to Johnny Dewberry. Alan Kajin, I stood up for you. I pushed back on Judah Wickauer. You know I did.

I enjoyed chatting with you. Obvious underdeveloped parcels in the city. Ix Park. Alan Kajit and Ludwig Kootenor own those. Own X Park. I mean, the future of the X Park, ladies and gentlemen, is not an eclectic storefront and a mish-mash home for

Farmers Market Park Dew. But what are some other parcels of the city that are underutilized or underdeveloped, that are prined or razor-focused for out-of-market attention. How about the Staples parcel? The old Vinegar Hill, where Staples' office supply is. You have an asphalt parking lot next to downtown, anchored by a retail store that sells printer cartridges, staplers, highlighters, three ring binders, and trapper keepers. I had a trapper keeper one time.

Kelly Kapowski was on the front of the trapper keeper. God, I loved Kelly Kapowski at the time. Tiffany Ambertheson was on my trapper keeper. How was I supposed to focus? in geometry class with Tiffany, Amber Thies and Kelly Capoussi looking back at me from this trapper keeper, Sokatoa. I'll tell you about Sokatoa, Pythagorean theorem. A lot we're going to cover on the program today. I want to ask the question for the underdeveloped parcels in the city, which will face the most significant community backlash when in-market developers or out-of-market developers start attacking them for

development. It's not going to be the parking lot next to the Market Street Market, where John Grisham does his shopping at feast. That's not going to have community backlash. Which underdeveloped or underutilized parcels in Charlottesville City limits will be ravaged with negative attention by activists and stakeholders in this community when out-of-market developers pursue the underdeveloped parcels for opportunistic upside, that's going to be a hell of a topic to cover on the show. A lot I want to talk about today. I'm going to give some attention to Charlottesville Sanitary Supply.

62 years in business for John Vermillion and Andrew Vermillion. Their sister company is Charlottesville Swimming Pool Company. The Miller Family Swimming Pool are Holman Ivy, Charlottesville Swimming Pool Company, who we contact, water, testing, pool covers, pool robots, pool shade, Charlottesville Swimming Pool Company.com, and their location on East High Street's been in operation for 62 years. They have an e-commerce store where you could purchase anything and everything. Cleaning supplies, janitorial supplies, vacuum, meala vacuums,

and it will be delivered in person by a local, by a resident, often the same day. Charlottesville Sanitary Supply and Charlottesville Swimming Pool Company. Judah Wickhauer, studio camera than a two shot. Judah Wickhauer, when you were in geometry class, Judah Wickhauer, when you were in art class, this is Savannah College in art and design right here. This is a SCAD graduate right here, Judah Wickhauer. Your trapper keeper, who was on your trapper keeper?

I don't know if they had people on trapper keepers when I was a kid. It was more like bright colors and... Did Judah Wickhauer have trapper keeper? ...excite shapes. I'm sure I did at some point. It wasn't particularly exciting. It was just, like I said, bright colors. I mean, this is, but this was the 80s.

I mean, it was all flashy shapes and bright colors. And occasionally a wildly painted bear or baseball. You give me Kelly Kapowski in a Bayside Tiger's cheerleader outfit with a volleyball. under her arm right on her hip and the ponytail up top, I'm not paying attention to Mr. Gillespie in geometry class. I can't focus on anything else. I'm so excited. I'm so scared.

Kelly Kapowski, ladies and gentlemen. A lot we're going to cover on the program, one dead at Tentown under Freebrich. Jesus. We all saw this coming. Yeah, it didn't take, it didn't take a sear

someone who could read the future to say that look eventually more people are going to die there. Less than six months. In less than six months at Tentown, we have had two dead bodies and a fire

caused from cooking heroin on a spoon. And less than six months on Tentown. For all we know, it was heroin that caused the most recent death. If I was a betting man, which obviously the viewers and listeners know, I have a lot of bet to me, it was a drug overdose. And the most terrifying proposition is the following.

The next five, six days, I mean, we're starting summer. The dog days of Charlottesville summer are effing brutal. Tomorrow, the temperatures will flirt with 100 degrees. viewers and listeners, you think winter is bad for the houseless population? They have these things called jackets and sweaters and long-sleeved t-shirts and sleeping bags. What do you do in 100-degree plus temperature if you're living outside? That's the most dangerous for the population, ladies and gentlemen.

The police called to tent town in the 4 a.m. hour communicated very clearly with the city through social media with city residents with central Virginians. And here's the crazy thing, viewers and listeners. Here's the crazy thing. Michael Payne said this was going to happen. We're going to play how long is the clip? I'm going to listen to it too. How long is the clip?

I think it's around a minute 45. We're going to play a roughly 90-second clip. I'm putting my earbuds in. I'm going to the show. A roughly 90-second clip of Michael Payne on the dais speaking in passionate. This is the most passionate I've ever seen Michael Payne on the dais in any capacity. The socialist, the most progressive counselor on the dais,

Michael Payne recently moved out of his parents' house. His income is the $18,000 he makes from council and some public speaking gigs that kick him some beer money. Here's Michael Payne telling the community, One month ago, what was the date? This was the May 4th City Council meeting. Okay, you have lower thirds that you could put on screen, the first three that we can rotate through. And three, two, one, Michael Payne.

And I truly don't say this to try to be sensationalist. I say that's grounded in that these are human beings whose lives matter. Is it accurate, not at zero side or another encampment? there is an individual who died in November. I believe it was November 24th, I believe. You know, I'll just say, I mean, I know there's a big structural issue that we have to address with Holiday Drive, permanent support of housing. And I walk there, and my heart really does break.

And I'm terrified because what is happening is not any minimum level of care. It is not meeting any... level of structure that is going to help these folks. As was mentioned, this is in a direct floodway, maybe the area most vulnerable to flash flooding in Charlottesville. We are in a drought with these fire risks. I am terrified because at one of these locations, I don't know what happened. Somebody else has already passed away, and someone's going to die out there. This is, I can't believe where we're at, and this cannot be, and I say that with not wanting to, you know, criminalize anything, arrest anyone, but caring about these people as human beings,

it just feels like we've abandoned folks. And I'm, my heartbreak, because as we approach front season in this drought continuing, I'm deeply concerned about these folks. This cannot be sustainable or compassion to these folks. And I'll just, I'll just end there. Back online? Thank you. Michael Payne, right there. Somebody is going to die. One month ago, Michael Payne told anyone and everyone who would listen on the record that someone was going to die. Yeah, I mean,

he didn't have to be Zoltar to... Tom Hanks, big reference? Fantastic movie. Yeah. But, I mean, anybody could have, anybody could knew that something was going to happen eventually.

I mean, look at it. It's like a, it's like a smorgas board of ways to die, whether it's freezing, whether it's overheating, whether it's Odeing, whether it's starting a fire, whether it's falling into the Ravana and drowning. I don't really think this has a whole lot to do with the encampment itself. Whether or not there's an encampment, it's going to be a hot summer. I think we all know that. The people are going to be out there,

whether it's at the encampment or somewhere else, not all of the homeless people in Charlottesville are at the encampment. Some of them are other places. They're going to be dealing with the heat just as much as anyone else. Look, look, viewers and listeners, okay? Viewers and listeners, empathy and kindness and doing the right thing are not synonymous with allowing a,

tent town to be constructed that is lawless, prone to opiate use, prone to the foulest of foul conditions. We're talking third world conditions here. That is not being nice or kind. That is not offering empathy. That is not God-fearing. people on this program, viewers and listeners of this program,

Charlottesville subreddit on this program, I got to mention over the weekend on the Charlottesville subreddit, by the way. Went to my Scotch, McAllen-12 wager with my buddy. Very wealthy individual. We got to bet on McCallent 12s on the mentions of me on Charlottesville subreddit.

I'm speaking directly to the Charlottesville subreddit, the dregs of society here. Kindness is not allowing opiate use, an open-air drug market, human feces, human urination, and 80 to 100 people to live under a bridge in a lawless society. That's the opposite of kindness. That is basically the slow elimination of the homeless population through what you think are the most progressive tactics possible. you need to hear what I'm saying. Kindness and empathy is taking a $6.2 million building on a holiday drive,

going to the three nonprofits, the Blue Ridge Area Coalition of the Homeless, Patcham and the Haven, picking one of them and saying, one of you MFers is going to run this building. We're not going to give you a ton of money to do it. If you don't want to do it, then we'll pick somebody else. We're not going to gut and renovate this building. We'll do some TLC improvement to it. It's not going to get three years till it's open.

It's going to open in three months. And before temperatures start knock, knock, knocking on the door of 100 degrees, people are going to live inside of a 27,000 square foot brick Georgian office building that's got HVAC, bathrooms, running water, kitchens, and cover from inclement weather. The opposite of kindness and. empathy is what Charlottesville City is doing right now. It's either absolute idiocy or it's notorious, notorious behavior to eliminate the homeless population one by one by having them live in the nastiest, most dangerous conditions possible, knowing that they will two every six months

die or light themselves on fire. And a lot of people don't want to hear that. But now you've had in six months, two dead and one fire caused by heroin cooking spoons. And Michael Payne said it was going to happen. That leads us to the next lower third. Who's the more embattled city leader? Who's the more embatted, not city leader, excuse me, who's the more embattled local leader? The superintendent, Judah of Almore County Public Schools, put the lower third on screen if you could. Dr. Matthew Haas, who in the last school calendar year has faced the following. Ready, Judah? He's faced equity grading, pressures from equity grading, parents basically know that their kids can't get Fs, that they're going to get multiple tries on tests, that they're not going to be held accountable academically, and they will be socially promoted if they attend Almore County Public Schools. Parents also know that ideologies that are different from the superintendents will be persecuted. You saw that with Noah Kaufin and Turning Point USA, West. Western Ammore High School, where he was stigmatized, villainized for having a different opinion.

And I'm not even making this about politics. I'm making this about having a different viewpoint on life. Yeah. You saw a school board member in Allison Spillman compare children, Admiral County children, to the Ku Klux Klan. Yeah. While essentially having a, holding a witch hunt. Matthew Haust has had transgender bathroom issues. Where girls are saying gender fluid students are using their bathrooms and making them feel uncomfortable. You've had school bus driver shortages.

You've had fights and bras. You've had drug use. And now the worst of the worst is two payrolled employees in elementary schools. arrested for pedophilic deviant behavior. One of them, a history of this, pedophilic deviant behavior. That's Matthew Haas in one calendar year. He makes soup to nuts somewhere between $250,000 to $300,000 a year. There's a lot easier ways to make $300,000 a year, Matthew Haas.

But that's how you're choosing to do it. Sam Sanders, on the other hand, probably similar pay, $350,000 to $300,000 a year for the city manager of Charlottesville has faced what, tent town under his watch, perhaps allowed, two dead and a fire, the holiday drive purchase, challenges on the downtown mall with the homeless, what else am I missing that Sam Sanders has missed? Viewers and listeners, Carol Thorpe, handsome Hank Martin. What else have I missed with Charlottesville City challenges? Collective bargaining, vacancy rates, his director of Neighborhood Development Services just quit, deep throat from Montana,

wow, Kelly Brown stepping down from Neighborhood Development Services. Wonder if it has anything to do with the chaos and the inspection plan review of Arbent? Remember, she's the one who came on from Northern Virginia to replace Jim Freeze. now an assistant city manager or lieutenant to Sam Sanders, he lives in Dunlora. James Freeze, Jim Freeze does.

Lives in Amarrow County. Works for the city of Charlottesville. Kelly Brown said, I don't want to live here anymore. She's pieced out. One of his assistant city managers pieced out recently. Yeah. After what, four or five months on the job? Yeah, I think five or six.

You seeing the turnover again, ladies and gentlemen, with upper management with City Hall, are you seeing it again? It's happening again. You're seeing it, right? Sam Sanders, Matthew Haas, more embattled community leader, Judah Wickhauer. Same pay scales.

I'd say Sam Sanders. Wow. Over the leader who's dealing with deviant pedophilic behavior? How embattled, though, is Haas really? He's got a school board that is going to fall on the sword for him whenever he asks. all I has to do is point at the ground and they'll fall on the, fall on a sword in front of him. I mean, aren't they the ones that, that, ahead of potentially getting a new school board member,

who wouldn't even have made a, who wouldn't even have been a majority, they were so worried that, that there would be. Meg, Bryce on the board. That there would be any, what, any pushback on Haas that they extended it. his contract by years. So while he may have some issues that he has to deal with, I don't really see, you know, he can continue doing whatever he wants. And I don't know what can be done about it. You're basically saying Matthew Haas is untouchable. For the most part. That's what you're saying. Unless he does something. He's the Teflon Don. Unless he does something egregious, the school board's not going to get rid of him. Right? You know, you've made a convincing argument to me.

If managers list, I'm doing some five things at once here while hosting the show. If Matthew Haas, the superintendent of Almore County Public Schools, can persevere and then thrive with equity grading backlash. Yeah. with deviant pedophilic behavior under his watch, with Ku Klux Klan references, with stigmatizing and villainizing Turning Point USA Western Amoral High School, with school bus driver shortages, with the school resource officer debacle,

with the collective bargaining debacle, with overcapacity high schools, with asking taxpayers for a quarter billion High School in the Northern Feeder pattern, with fights and roaming brawls, with kids skipping school, with drug usage, kids literally at Monticello High School, EMTs have to go in for kids

that are ODing on drugs. And if he can handle all that and get his 5% to 6% pay bump and wear his boat, ties on school board meetings and just keep his head down and stay employed, then you're right. He's the Teflon Don. That's the most untouchable individual in central Virginia. Yeah, I mean, he's got to do something egregious. He's got to get accused of an actual crime. Otherwise, I mean, we've got, I think, one person on the school board right now that would push back against the insanity there. But that's not enough to, you know, that's not enough to make a change.

When does Sam Sanders start facing the heat? Because it's a revolving door position. Mike Murphy was in the job for about a year. Mike Murphy didn't even make it a year, the interim city manager who replaced Maurice Jones, who went to Chapel Hill, North Carolina, the former NBC 29 broadcaster Maurice Jones. Mike Murphy jumps in a city manager interim.

Dr. Terriott Richardson was in the city manager spot for a year in change, John Blair, front of the program, awesome guy, I think would be a phenomenal city manager for Charlottesville, was an interim city manager for a handful of months. Chip Boyle is one of the best dressers I've ever seen in an interim city manager for seven months. There was the Robert Bob group and Michael Rogers who was there for what? almost two years and then Sam Sanders was promoted from within there was one guy that quit before his job even started remember that viewers and listeners

who was the man that quit the day before the job started you know I think Sam Sanders is a phenomenal human being I think Sam Sanders I genuinely he watches and listens to the show Mr. Sanders I hope you hear this I think you're extremely intelligent I think you are handcuffed by a city Council that cannot make its way out of a wet paper bag. I set it to start the program. If you put the current City Council in my son's brown paper bag for lunch and no, he doesn't have a brown paper bag, he's got a fantastic Under Armour zip-up lunchbox with a bento box.

The bento box has got chips of Hoy cookies in the circle. It's got some Pringles chips into a snack pack in the other circle. It's got pretzels over here, some fresh fruit over there, a peanut butter sandwich that he doesn't eat and some go-go-squeeze yogurts, which are extremely expensive, that they eat by like the dozen per day, my two boys. But if he had a brown paper bag with a Capri Sun in there, and this is how I was raised, the boys do not realize how good they have it. How I was raised was, here's a brown paper bag, Jerry. Here's a Capri Sun.

here's a cool ranch Doritos snack pack here's a crappy lunchable with processed meat and some stale crackers and some clunky chunky squares of cheese and I'll throw in there if you're lucky and your behave Jerry a ho-ho or a Twinkie or a little Debbie man can anyone believe how good Jerry had it Hi, you were in Vermont. What were you doing?

What? You were in May. Were you in Maine? I was in Maine for junior high and high school. Would you have a stack of flapjacks with some maple syrup every morning? Yeah, we had to, as kids, we had to march across the border to Canada, steal their maple syrup just so we could just so we could have something to pour in our poor dry pancakes. Sometimes that Capri's son would wet the bag. You'd sing the five counselors in that paper bag. They wouldn't be able to figure out their way out of the paper bag. They'd be stuck next to the luncheables.

Maybe that's Sam Sanders' problem. When's the clock start ticking on the revolving door position that is in total comp 300K, soup to nuts? Better yet, when does Sam Sanders start following the lead of his lieutenants and get the hell out of town before he gets canned. He was on legacy media yesterday. Literally, he was on legacy media yesterday talking about how dangerous the conditions were in tent town. I mean, we just watched a video of...

16 hours later, someone died. Again, this isn't, like, this isn't even prediction. like who would give odds on on the other side of that bet what that everybody would be safe and there would be no injuries or deaths yeah who would ever take that viewers and listeners put your comments

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let's go to Carol Thorpe the Queen of Jack Jewett she said Jerry while watching the May City Council meeting on TV I recall turning to my husband and saying somebody he's low-balling there will be more than that before this is over yeah Conan Owen is watching the program his photo on screen

Conan says I'd rather be Matthew Haas he had the teachers union behind him and like in a like-minded school board that has kept him in place till now the city executive level folks drop like flies yeah that's the point juda made very good point right there handsome hank martin is watching the program his photo on screen handsome Hank martin says let's be clear about something wow this is extremely long i'm going to read a few paragraphs of this here let's be entirely clear about something this death was not an unpredictable tragedy it was an inevitable consequence Just last month, local officials publicly rung their hands, admitting the Free Bridge encampment,

now home to roughly 80 people, was a life-threatening public health risk, and days later, a fire ripped through a shelter on that exact trail. Hank Martin, from the school standpoint, says, as a parent and a taxpayer, Matthew Haas's leadership failure is a greater risk. Yes, Sanders and the Charlottesville City Council are now responsible for two deaths. However, under the Haas administration, our children are having inflicted upon them, despicable travesties that will leave them victims and their families dealing with the sexual trauma most likely for the rest of their lives. The deaths at the Free Bridge encampment were adults who made poor decisions. The children, Haas, is allowing to be preyed upon, did not have a choice. It's a very fair point. Yeah, I think that's a great point. And I'm going to tell you right now,

the most recent arrest, the upper 30s white male? Well, they're both white males. Swining? Yeah, I think the first guy was child pornography charges. The first guy was child pornography charges. Just bad enough. It was despicable. Yeah. The second guy, swiney, was actual physical contact with children. He was a predator.

He was a predator. And the investigators are saying with the swine guy, talk to your kids, anyone who encountered them, we think there's more of them. Yeah. It's like the Croze piano teacher who was, in his 20s, the Virginia Tech graduate where there was a multiple touch

points with him and a spider web of deviant behavior. The swiney situation, you mark it down, it's going to be a similar circumstance. That reeks of class action lawsuit to me. Especially since he was allowed

to transition from one school Woodbrook, was it Woodbrook to Holly Mead? I think so. How does this man transition from Woodbrook to Holly meet when this investigation or or or or this how are there allegations for nearly two years before before a teacher is yeah removed from the from being able to to reach kids okay you say removed from being able to reach kids removed from societies what I'm going to say is a parent okay okay and I understand that might be a bit hyper you know a little hyperbole there

but that's just me talking as a dad of two young kids nothing more than despicable in my book than that. No. Next topic on the water cooler of content and conversation. Is this Mark Brown? I believe it is. Woodard properties, $15 million. Woodard properties pays Charlottesville Parkingsar.

Mark Brown, 15 million. Jesus. Mark Brown is as shrewd as shrewd gets. Mark Brown, you watch and listen to the show. As shrewd as shrewd gets. Woodard properties has had the lease on the Charlottesville parking lot, on the Water Street parking lot that was home to the city market for a very long time. And as part of that lease agreement, there was an opportunity for Woodard properties to purchase the nearly one acre property. and they've chosen to exercise that right.

$15 million, more than three times the assessed value. This trade, $15 million for the 0.99 acre property at 100 East Water Street, was so significant, so, I mean, some would call it expensive, some would call overpaying, some would call just a red herring, an anomaly that Charlottesville City assessor David Milton said this transaction will not count toward the real property assessment in 2027 because it's not considered a valid sale. The lease was written in 2014. He says this was a right to exercise from a lease from 12 years ago.

We are not going to use this as a benchmark to uptick values in that. area of Charlottesville City or any other parcels of similar size with opportunistic synonymous upside. I broke the news for you, the viewer and listener about the Wawa ground lease. We did this a couple of weeks ago. Remember on the I Live Seville show? And I explained to you the viewer and listener that Mark Brown had purchased the ground lease at the Wawa on Fifth Street for $9.1 million. He closed on that on May 20th. What's that? You got the picture up.

God, you're doing amazing work. Look at the screen, viewers and listeners. Thank you, Judah White Gower. Look at the screen. 9.1 million. There it is on screen. Keep it on screen. We said at the time,

is this part of a 1031 exchange? Deep Throat asked the question. What was the question? Deep throat about the 1031 exchange and can a 1031 exchange work with the ground lease? Did we wonder that on the program? Well, now we know. This is considered like kind. What of the key components of a 1031 exchange?

Now, for the viewers and listeners that are not in the real estate business, the first question you should ask is, what is the 1031 exchange? Is that what you're asking, Judah? Yes. My dad, a CPA, calls these starker exchanges. It's where you're essentially bypassing the need to pay taxes on sale by gaining something in return for a property, right? You're all over it. A 1031 exchange is an IRS-approved strategy.

It allows real estate investors like Mark Brown to sell an investment property. like this Water Street parking lot, and reinvest the proceeds into a similar property in a very tight period of time. Investors can defer paying capital gains and depreciation recapture taxes, allowing them to fully invest their equity, their gains. This is basically how it works. You defer, you don't eliminate the gains. It's a tax deferral. It's not tax forgiveness. They're postponed until the replacement property is sold,

later on. Still, when you exit at $15 million, there's a lot of cash exposure, so you better identify some properties quickly. A key component of the Starker Exchange or the 1031 Exchange is a like-kind property. You have to exchange in a type of real estate that is very similar. I guess the ground lease qualifies for that. You never touch the funds. They need to go into an independent third party or a qualified intermediary account until a property is purchased. I personally try to do a 1031 exchange. It's challenging. You have to identify properties. You have 45 calendar days to formally identify potential replacement properties in writing. You have 180 day exchange period. You must close on the replacement property within 180 calendar days of the sale of the original

property. Mark Brown is a shrewd M. He's watching and he's watching it. He's watching. He's watching. watches and listens to the show. Mark Brown did this within two days. Within two days of the 15 million exit on Water Street, the nearly one acre lot on city market, he goes

and gets the ground lease on Fifth Street. From Corrin Capshaw, Alan Taylor, and River Bend development. Mark Brown, if you were here, I'd go to this bar over here and I'd pour you some booze and try to give you a flying chest bump. You would probably try to run away from me and say, don't touch me, Jerry. And I would still try to flying chest bump you, Mark Brown. You know I would, Judah

Wickower. Now, I want to ask some questions here. These are some straightforward questions I have on the show. First, you see the commitment from Anthony Woodard and Keith Woodard and Woodard properties. These dudes are going balls deep into Charlottesville City. They're doing, they're getting they're taking it where the sun don't shine in the Kim's market spot. Have taken it. Good God, that was a mess. They're doing a seven-story residential apartment over at Rose Hill on Alderman Street. They're trying to do the Willoughby development where they're getting kicked in the nuts left and right in the Willoughby neighborhood on Fifth Street. They're dropping $15 million on.

On Water Street, this was the same location where Anthony's father, Keith, left over a million dollars in underground infrastructure and said, I want nothing to do with the Nakaya Walker led city council. Because Nakaya Walker and her city council at the time made life so miserable for architect Keith Woodard, the namesake of Woodard properties. He said, I am not going to do anything with the city market lot. I am not going to build housing on there. I'm not going to build a future home for the city market. I'm not going to take the city market from an asphalt parking lot where in the dog days of Charlottesville summer,

if you're buying coffee from Shenandoah Joe's or you want to get some pastries and you walk around there, you're sweating your ball sack off because it's 105 degrees and it's at top of a black asphalt parking lot with no shade. Keith Woodard literally was going to create a strategy, a home, a solution, quality of life for a vacant parking lot that was underutilized until Nikiah Walker made his life so effing miserable. He said, I have more than a million dollars in underground infrastructure.

I don't care. I'm leaving. I want nothing to do with you. Now, here we are 10 years later, and they're dropping $15 million on the lot. Say what you want about wooded properties. these people are extremely committed to Charlottesville City, Charlottesville, Virginia, ladies and gentlemen, extremely committed. Sub would say you're putting all your eggs in one basket.

Say what you want about Mark Brown. Say what you want about Mark Brown. I've seen it in so many different ways, Mark Brown. Say what you want. He just got $15 million. And he's 1030 wanting into the Wawa, and I'm curious, just like Deep Throat is, of what he's doing with the remaining $6 million or $5.9 million. What else did Mark Brown buy? I'm going to investigate that on my own.

And this is a natural segue into the next storyline, a storyline that we will continue on tomorrow's show. Judah, what's the lower third that you can put on screen? We've got underdeveloped city parcels with the most upside. A next storyline. Which parcels in Charlottesville City. City. limits, there's a press release that's been released by Charlottesville City Hall. This morning, officers were in the Charlottesville Police Department responded to this just came out, responded to the encampment located beneath Freebridge following a report of a strong odor inside a tent. Upon arrival, officers discovered a 57-year-old on-house individual deceased inside the tent.

Investigators and forensics personnel were called to the scene to conduct a thorough investigation. The identity of the deceased is being withheld, pending notification. of next of kin. The chief medical examinal would determine the cause of manner of death. There are no obvious signs of foul play. Chief Kachis has a quote in here. Today's tragic discovery is a sobering reminder

of the very real dangers faced by individuals living in this encampment. This sounds like OD to me. Back to the parcels that are underutilized. Are you ready for this, Judah Wickhauer? Work with me here. Let's put a list together. This is going to be a topic for the rest of the week on the I Love Cibow show.

Let's get to the obvious ones. Deep Throat, this is right up your alley as well. John Blair, viewers and listeners. I think the most underdeveloped, underutilized parcel and all of Charlottesville City right now is Ix Park. It's owned by Alan Kajin and Ludwig Kootener who both listen and watch this show. If anyone thinks in Art Park,

a non-profit, financially struggling art park with some looking glass and some murals and a butt with a heart painted on it are the best use of 15 or 17 acres in the heartbeat of Charlottesville, you're a numb nuts. That is the most underutilized, underperforming parcel in a 10.2 square mile landlocked city that is starving for housing.

Can you put that on the list, Ix Park, please? Mm-hmm. Number two on the list of most underutilized, underperforming parcels. The city yard in Star Hill. Why in everything that is holy is Charlottesville City Hall storing its heavy equipment, its dump trucks on 10 acres in a historically black neighborhood right next to the University of Virginia and spitting distance of UVA health?

Why has it not formed some kind of JV with Almore County to store its pickup trucks, it's heavy machinery and it's dump trucks outside of the city so the city yard could be developed for something different. And yes, I understand the mitigation risk of chemicals or whatever in the dirt. I get it. I get it. But that's got to be on the list.

Number three on that list. How about Alan Kijin's parking lot lot next to the Main Street market, the purple building? He's got a vacant, parking lot for sale on the market right now. That right there is so underutilized and underperforming. All I see parked there is some G-wagons and some Teslas and some X-7s and some G-LEs. I'll take that back. I see some Suburus and some Priuses. That's for sale.

The parking lot across from it is being targeted by out of market development. That's where Sweet House cupcakes used to be. But here are some other ones that need to be put on the radar viewers and listeners. Staples, office supply. It is a massive parking lot. Yeah. The home of Vinegar Hill. When does an out-of-market opportunistic landmark properties type of developer pursue the former site of Vinegar Hill, the Staples Office Supply location for a hotel or luxury apartments. Does anyone watching or listening to this program truly believe that a office supply store that has 15, 20,000 square feet, how big is the Staples Office Supply Store? That thing is effing

massive. When's the last time you've been in the Staples Office Supply Store? We go there, now and again to buy printer cartridge ink. God, I hate buying printer cartridge. Jesus. It is so expensive. How much is it a cartridge like $60 a cartridge? It's a pain of the ass. All we use is the black and white ink. That's not true. We have to buy one every 60 days. What a racket printer cartridges. You go in there to buy some printer cartridges. There's like two or three people in the Staples office supply, ladies and gentlemen. There's the same guy. The outgoing charismatic individual that works for Staples office supply that's always there, very flamboyant, very, very charismatic that's always there.

There's like two people working in the store. How in everything that's wholly does that business afford its overhead? The future of that space is not a retailer that sells widgets on a shelf, specifically printer cartridges, staples, paper, and computers. Where are we going to get our ink?

Our trapper keepers. That right there, ladies and gentlemen, is one of the least talked about most upside opportunistic possible parcels for development in the city. And that parcel right there

is the parcel of any in the city that will face the most community hatred. Backlash. Someone, institutional money, out of market money, anyone local who pursues a development project of the $700 a night hotel room or the $2,500 a month luxury apartment tower on the site of vinegar hill

will be, to say they'll be stigmatized and villainize is an understatement. They might be run out of town on a rail. If there's anyone left to run them out, that is. That's why whoever does it's got to be out of market. Because they will have to have the mindset, I don't give a duck, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack.

Because if it was a local market, if it was somewhat within market, they wouldn't be able to walk around anywhere. In 1965, the insubstive, entire neighborhood was raised as part of an urban renewal plan initiated in the 1950s. By a margin of 36 votes, 36 votes, the city of Charlottesville voted to raise Vinegar Hill in a referendum. This occurred in a time where the poll tax excluded many black residents from voting. One church, 30 businesses, and 158 families were displaced all black.

600 community members were then put into West Haven, the public housing complex. Families who had lived in standalone houses now resided in multifamily public housing. The site has remained vacant for significant periods of time, and it wasn't until 1985 that a redevelopment project was put in place, and the Omni Hotel and surrounding development installed on the neighborhood site. I want you to imagine a world viewers and listeners where an out-of-market developer, led by institutional financing, chooses to pursue the Staples Office Supply Parcel,

the home of Vinegar Hill, and they have a vision, a plan, presented before the Plade Commission, the Board of Architectural Review, Charlottesville City Council, to build an apartment tower to the tune of 2,500-night beds, or a hotel to the tune of $700,000,

a key business model, 700 a night hotel room, how will the community respond? That topic on the I Love Seville show tomorrow, Judah Wickhauer, Jerry Miller, the water cooler of content and conversation.