The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Did UVA Violate Own Policies To Smear Bert Ellis?; Robert Hardie's Term As UVA BOV Rector Ends 7/1

Episode Date: June 4, 2025

The I Love CVille Show headlines: Did UVA Violate Own Policies To Smear Bert Ellis? Robert Hardie’s Term As UVA BOV Rector Ends 7/1 Put Into Perspective Hardie’s Impact On UVA Verve Construction: Emmet St Closed For 2 Months Jak’ n Jil Is Closing For Summer Break Changing Of The Guard On E High Street? I Love CVille Will Publish 12 Month UVA Sports Timeline Neil Williamson & Emily Kilroy, 1015am Friday Read Viewer & Listener Comments Live On-Air The I Love CVille Show airs live Monday – Friday from 12:30 pm – 1:30 pm on The I Love CVille Network. Watch and listen to The I Love CVille Show on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, iTunes, Apple Podcast, YouTube, Spotify, Fountain, Amazon Music, Audible, Rumble and iLoveCVille.com.

Good Wednesday afternoon, guys. My name is Jerry Miller and thank you kindly for joining us on the I Love Seville show. It's an absolute pleasure to connect with you guys on the I Love Seville network on a gorgeous and glorious day in downtown Charlottesville. Goodness gracious, we got a lot to talk about. In the 30 to 45 minutes prior to the show, Jude and I kind of work on, we call it pre-production, the ideas we want to talk about on the program. We have this insatiable appetite for reading. I love to read. I absolutely love, it's one of my favorite past times is reading anything. Sports, financial news, local news, politics, economics, entrepreneurship, anything reading I love to do. Love the written and spoken word. And we particularly have an appetite for local content and we scour various media outlets and we decide what we're going to talk about and when the media outlets don't have stuff that we find compelling, we have

conversations of what we think is compelling that we should be relaying to you. This program is one where we want to be the water cooler of information. We don't want to break the information. We don't want to be the source of the information all the time. We want the information to kind of aggregate and live here on the I Love Seville show. So if you, the viewer and listener, have something that you think is compelling that the viewers and listeners should know, pass it along to us and we will most certainly relay it live on air.

There's some headlines that we're going to get to, including a jail renovation coming in with bids and estimates way over budget that did not make the rundown. Jude is going to put that in perspective for us here in a matter of moments. Kevin Cox, who we interviewed on Friday, he's the Charlottesville activist who's been in this community for just about all his life, all his life, lived in the city for goodness gracious, longer than a lot of us have been alive.

He's starting to go international with this story. Kind of crazy to say. And Kevin, if you're watching this program, my friend, we still have your water bottle here that you left on Friday afternoon. Please come pick it up. H2O is important. Bobby Boucher loves water. I love water. You love water. Come pick up your water bottle, Kevin Cox. But the man's story is

going international. The Guardian has picked up Kevin Cox's story and is talking about some of the legal troubles he is facing. I want to talk on today's show about Bert Ellis. Bert Ellis is in the news again, this time on a blog that we follow closely, Bacon's Rebellion. Bacon's Rebellion and its author does a fantastic job of shining an investigative spotlight on the University of Virginia. And Bacon's Rebellion basically asked this question, did the University of Virginia violate its own policies to strategically and intentionally smear Burt Ellis in public, in newspapers, with the media? We'll unpack that story for you today. We interviewed Mr. Ellis, and we found Mr. Ellis

in the interview very composed and measured and thoughtful in a man who is perhaps, and not perhaps, but definitely very far from what this public persona that's been crafted by the media depicts him including frankly us we fall victim into that Crafting a persona of Burt Ellis that may not be who Burt Ellis is as an everyday Joe I want to talk Robert Hardy The rector of the Board of Visitors and folks, the Board of Visitors are meeting right now.

They're meeting tomorrow and Friday. A lot is on that agenda. There's some speculation that Jim Ryan's job security is being discussed in close session with the BOV. Very curious to see if the BOV discusses the turmoil of the Virginia Athletic Department. Goodness gracious. The last 12 months have not been kind to the University of Virginia's athletics department. And we're going to publish later today on iloveceeville.com a timeline of the last 12 months with UVA athletics. Just kind of a flip book of what's transpired. And I'm going to ask

you, the viewer and listener, has this been the most challenging 12-month period for UVA athletics in its entire history? Two Hall of Fame coaches, Tony Bennett and Brian O'Connor, leave Virginia athletics. The football program has got the worst record over the last three years of any football program in power football. You lose to Virginia Tech again on the gridiron again. The men's lacrosse team finishes with a sub 500 record. The basketball team doesn't make the NCAA tournament. The baseball team doesn't make the NCAA tournament. Virginia announces a new pay scheme, a new fundraising scheme for seating at the John Paul Jones arena where if you don't fork over thousands, in some cases tens of thousands of dollars, you're not going to keep your seats at the John Paul Jones arena. And Carla Williams gets a mysterious contract extension. Goodness gracious. That

timeline of events should be published on ilove C-Ville.com this afternoon. A lot I want to cover on the program. I encourage you, the viewer and listener, to like and share the show. Jack and Jill's, the institutional diner, what do you call it? Lunch counter. It serves more than lunch. Greasy spoon, maybe. Is closing for summer break? William McChesney, who I respect a lot, he sends a lot of information to us on the show. He says, is this potentially foreshadowing for some troubles for Jack and Jill on East High Street? I certainly hope not. We broke the news for you that Tubby's was closing down on the 27th of June and an auction where all the equipment is being auctioned off in fire sale, in a fire sale where they're trying to recoup any money

possible by selling the equipment for pennies on the dollar. Tubby's is Jack and Jill's next door neighbor. I mean, are we seeing a changing of the guard on East High Street here, folks? Are we seeing a changing of the guard that is just common practice in the world of small business where changes and transitions happen? Or is this something that's concerning on East High Street specifically? I want to have that conversation today on the I Love Seaville show. And I want to highlight Friday at 10.15 a.m. on Real Talk with Keith Smith. Friday at 10.15 a.m. on this network, Neil Williamson, the president of the free enterprise forum will be here, as will Emily Kilroy, the director of economic development for Alamora County. So that's Friday at 10.15 a.m. A pretty good interview with Emily Kilroy and Neil Williamson lined up for you.

We hope you will watch that interview. Judah Wickauer, studio camera, two shot. I ask you this question to start every program. Which headline do you find most compelling and why? Wizard Whitcower, jack of all trades, jack of all wits on today's rundown. And frankly speaking, could be some of the headlines that did not make the rundown. We have a couple that we couldn't fit in there. I mean, I think it's pretty wild that Kevin Cox has got his story on as far afield as Scottish construction now. He's going international, Kevin Cox.

That's pretty wild. The Guardian picks it up and once platforms like the Guardian start picking it up, all these other second and third rate and party outlets will start picking it up as well. It's sometimes funny how often Charlottesville seems to make widespread news sources. Charlottesville lives in the national and global headlines. It seems to now. It's absolutely unbelievable. I'm also interested in the story from Bacon's Rebellion about the body cam footage taken of Burt Ellis at the time, a UVA board of visitors

member. And nobody is really talking about the fact, I mean, this article definitely talks about the fact that UVA has specific rules that preclude a lot of what happened here in terms of what they do with the body cam footage. But my what I'm interested in, which I haven't heard anyone talk about, is the fact that somebody thought to save that footage. Well, we know why. Yeah, we know why. But I don't hear that being discussed.

The body cam footage is footage that a UVA police officer wore from a camera. Footage from a camera that a UVA police officer wore. Multiple. Multiple. Yeah. Body cam angles. Right. Multiple body cam angles. Let's let them know what it is. Bert Ellis

is the managing partner of the white spot. One of the owners of the white spot. He is a big ownership team. Ralph Sampson is a part of that team as well. Mr. Ellis is the managing partner. The top dog at the white spot. And he's sitting on the white spot one evening and he sees some UVA police officers on the beat, university police officers, and he approaches them. Actually I don't believe he did. Just saying. That's debatable. I think it was his own words that he didn't approach them.

They approached him because he was staring at them. Okay. Do you call staring down the police officers approaching? Or you just call it staring? He stares down the police officers and they, the police officers and Bert Ellis have a conversation. Yeah. In this conversation, Mr. Ellis does not use profanity.

No, he doesn't raise his voice either. He does not use profanity. He doesn't raise his voice either. He does not use profanity, does not raise his voice. But the optics from this body camera footage are optics of antagonism. Optics of aggressiveness. Optics of a cantankerous individual, if you may. And let's cut to the chase. If we ask Bert, are you alpha? Are you aggressive and can you be cantankerous at times?

He would probably say, at times. That's who he is. But this footage. There's some additional context though, surrounding what had been going on in the corner around that time too. Oh, crime? On safe. And he was basically saying, why aren't you UVA police officers working this beat, patrolling

this beat a little more visibly, aggressively, and a little more focused on safety? Yeah, because they were just sitting in their cars across the street from the corner and pretty much just chatting it up with each other. And the conversation now is why was this Burt Ellis body camera footage saved? The UVA policy on body camera footage is? Is 90 days. They uploaded to a system called I think it's called Elevate, was that what it was? Just a second. It was, they upload it to a system called evidence.com, a law

enforcement cloud storage system. And unless it's needed for investigations, trials or training purposes, they're supposed to be automatically purged 90 days after creation. But this particular footage with Burt Ellis, who was still on the Board of Visitors at the University of Virginia, was cherry picked. Popped up two years later. Was saved in the digital or cloud vault. Somebody knew the- And two years later was leaked

Yeah. to the Washington Post. Which brings up other questions. Obviously they didn't just guess that there was footage out there. I believe they filed FOIA requests, but who told them that that video was alive and available? How do two Washington Post reporters who do not specifically follow the University of

Virginia from a beat standpoint or from a reporting focus standpoint have the wherewithal or the intelligence to FOIA, Freedom of Information Act request, the University of Virginia specifically for police officer body camera footage from 24 months ago. Yeah, right at the time when the whole kerfuffle between Yonkin and Ellis was heating up. Which was inspired by Bert Ellis holding Jim Ryan and the University of Virginia accountable and to task on diversity, equity and inclusion spending and a bloated budget and its pursuit of being this new Ivy League school. Listen to this. A man on the Board of Visitors appointed for a four-year term by the Governor of Virginia, the most powerful person in the Commonwealth.

He's on the Board of Visitors. He's ripping the president of the university, Jim Ryan. He's holding the university accountable for what is excessive spending on unnecessary administrators, excessive spending on diversity, equity and inclusion, which is in the crossfire of Donald Trump and his administration. Bert Ellis, who has said UVA needs to cut all construction and trim its budget by 10%, which is more than $500 million.

The budget for UVA yearly is over $5 billion. Has body camera footage from 24 months ago, body camera footage of him interacting with a police officer, saved in a digital vault or a digital safe, and then it's leaked in some capacity to the Washington Post for a smear campaign. Go ahead, Judah. I was just going to add that ‑‑ it's incredible. Part of Ellis's ‑‑ tirade is not the word, but part of what he was wanting from UVA, you mentioned cutting administration

spending was that that money could be used to lower tuition costs, which is something that is currently kind of in the new cycle right now with the cost of in-state and out-of-state tuition and how expensive it is. Absolutely unbelievable. We'll talk about it today on the Isle of Seville show. We want to highlight Charlottesville Sanitary Supply 60 consecutive years, in fact 61 years in business. John Vermillion, Andrew Vermillion,

Charlottesville Sanitary Supply. The Vermillions, four generations in Alamaro County. John Vermillion, a good man. Andrew Vermillion, a great man. Online at CharlottesvilleSanitarySupply.com and in person on East High Street. Support these businesses, sanitary needs, swimming pool, our swimming pool's open.

It stays picture perfect blue because of Charlottesville Sanitary Supply. Support these businesses, guys, that you want to see make it another 61 years. I want to talk Robert Hardy on today's program, the rector of the Board of Visitors. His term expires on July 1. Robert Hardy has been on the Board of Visitors for 12 years, including the past two as rector. Robert Hardy has three degrees from the University of Virginia. He's a former law and resident. He was a one-time managing editor of the Cavalier Daily.

He bleeds orange and blue. I may not always see eye to eye with Robert Hardy from a politics standpoint, but one thing that I will never question is his commitment to the University of Virginia. Hardy and his wife Molly are huge UVA boosters. They have the naming rights because of a massive donation of the Molly and Robert Hardy Football Operations Center, which is a state-of-the-art 93,000 square foot facility

that opened this past June. He owns Keswick. Keswick called Robert Hardy. He's a businessman that has some of the most established brands and businesses in his holding company and in his purview. He's a man that absolutely bleeds origin blue and as he recently said he first fell in love with the University of Virginia as a 10 year old watching the wonderful Wally Walker lead the Virginia basketball team to its first ever ACC Championship. We're gonna talk Jack and Jill's on today's program. They're closing for summer break. It's not a permanently closing announcement at this point.

It's good to hear. They said on Facebook, we're going to close for summer break and we will reopen. They want to recharge. In fact, I'll read a portion of the announcement. After serving up smiles and meals since 1945, we're taking a little break to recharge, refuel and maybe finally do the dishes at home. We are closed for vacation for a while. We're incredibly grateful for your loyalty and support. I'm going to ask you this question. Are we seeing a changing of guard of the guard on East High Street? Did that changing of the guard on East High Street start with the closing of the double horseshoe saloon?

Did that changing of the guard on East High Street then include the closing of Tubbies that's been around since 1982? Now Jack and Jill's is closed for summer break. The double horseshoe saloon, Jack and Jill's and Tubbies have a clientele that is somewhat similar. You have a middle class blue collar clientele that patronizes these locations. We talked on yesterday's program, the working class, the blue collar, the middle class is clearly being pushed out and jetrified out of the city of Charlottesville

and Amarillo County. And as a result, are the dominoes that are falling, are the closing of businesses or the headwinds of businesses that cater to this customer or consumer. What is next on East High Street? John Blair has this comment on LinkedIn, his photo on screen. Just call me broken record Blair, but you've got Tubby's going out of business and now Jack and Jill's doing a summer closing. Look at the same quarter. What's open in the past year? Maple Tree Cafe and Sugar Bear. Now don't take this the wrong way. It's great to see people pursuing their dreams and entrepreneurs have to play the market, but can you say

gentrification? He's exactly right. You're seeing a changing of the guard on East High Street. And I'm gonna say it here, I'm gonna say it here for you the viewer and listener, that same changing of the guard on High Street will impact Cherry Avenue as well. Cherry Avenue, that shopping center that is now owned by the Woodard family, Anthony Woodard, who's an absolute unit in the weight room, the guy's a beast, he's like a grizzly bear in the weight room, Anthony Woodard.

I've seen him throwing up steel, dead lifting, bench pressing. I mean, the dude is a freaking grizzly bear. Woodard owns a good chunk of Cherry Avenue. They purchased a good chunk of Cherry Avenue in nondescript fashion during the COVID pandemic, when commercial prices faced significant headwinds and when value started dropping.

These folks are smart. They're greedy when people are scared. The old Warren Buffett mentality. Article released on CNBC earlier this week, the commercial office space is now filling back up. The return to office movement is now in full force, ladies and gentlemen. So that commercial office space not facing the headwinds we initially thought. Remember at one time we all said that commercial office space and office space in general was going to go the way of the dodo bird or the T-Rex. Doesn't seem to be happening like that.

Tom Powell, I'm going to get to your comments in a matter of moments. Margin King Collins, yes the owner of Jack and Jill's did pass away. His name was Zanisse. Zanisse, a friend of mine, lived in Glenmore. I used to live in Glenmore. I used to see Zanisse walking around the loop in Glenmore all the time. Fantastic man, kind man, considerate man Zanisse. Viewers and listeners, let us know your best Zanisse story from Jack and Jill's. I got a great one for you. You know the one I'm going to tell? It's one of my favorite stories. I'm looking to purchase an office condo in the

Holsinger building right off of the downtown mall on one of the side streets between the downtown mall and Water street. What's that side street? It's the side entrance to the commonwealth sky bar in Passiflora. Is that fifth street? Is it fifth? It's the tiny side street between the mall and water street. I had been renting our offices for so long around downtown Charlottesville and finally I had cobbled together some money, one shot and then we'll weaveesville and finally I cobbled together some money, one shot me and then we'll weave you in, I'd cobbled together some money to to to purchase a commercial condo. Would have been my first purchase

from a commercial standpoint. And Bill Nitschman, my mentor, said you know that's for sale. Zanisse owns it with his daughter. I bet you he would sell it to you. It's been vacant for so long. He took me over to Jack and Jill's, Bill Nitschman did, for some foot long chili cheese hot dogs. Sat at the counter top. Zanisse got to know him. He said, you know what?

Come back when we're closed and we can negotiate a price. And broken English. Fantastic Greek man. I said, all right, I'll come back. I show up after they're closed. I push the door. It's one of those swinging doors to get in. It was locked. Zenice comes to the front door, unlocks the door, shakes my hand, said, come on back. We sit in one of the back booths of Jack and Jill's and lo and behold, Dr. Charles Hurt is sitting in the booth right there. He's got a blue blazer on with gold buttons. His tie is that half mask. Looks kind of disheveled, Dr. Hurt did, got a mustard stain on his tie and Zanisse and Dr. Hurt are sitting on one side of the booth and I'm sitting on

the other side of the booth. Zanisse is smoking Greek cigarettes and he gets a piece he gets a napkin out on the table as a Sharpie and we negotiate a seller finance deal for this office condo in the Hulcinger by passing the napkin back and forth, writing a number down, crossing it out, writing a number down, crossing it out. Dr. Hurt, the maestro, the conductor of the negotiation, at one time Dr. Hurt told me to this face, told this to me to his face, at one time you could not enter Alamaro County or leave Alamaro County without seeing one of the parcels of land or properties that he owned. He chuckled when he told me that. So we're passing the napkin back and forth and finally we agree on a price, we agree on an interest rate,

we agree on the term, seller finance deal is all buttoned up. Then Zaniss goes, now we drink. He clapped his hands together. He goes, now we drink. And he went to the back of Jack and Jill's and was it Uzo? I always ‑‑ he busts out a bottle of Uzo, the Greek liquor and some Dixie plastic cups and pours the ouzo in the Dixie plastic cups, kind of like that cardboard cup, that waxy cup. And I'm sitting there drinking ouzo while he's smoking Greek cigarettes and I'm trying to like drink this ouzo and not to have this, I didn't like it, it didn't taste good. I have this nasty look on my face and I'm like, oh, this is so good, Zanisse. Give me some more of the Zuzo. Lo and behold, we shake on the deal.

He says, my daughter also owns this office condo. I'll talk to her and then I'll get my attorney to draw up the paperwork and we'll get this all buttoned up. Next day, he says, come back. He reaches out to me and says, come back to Jack and Jill's. His daughter did not want to sell. She kiboshed the deal. I'm sure she's heard me tell this story. She did not want to sell the office condo and I did not get to make that purchase. Long story short, it worked out for the best. Ended up buying from Larry Howard, the realtor who just passed

away. He owned a guitar store with his son on route 29. Remember that guitar store? Did I tell you Larry Howard passed away? Larry Howard recently passed away. He was a realtor. I bought two office condos in the Macklin building from him and started our journey of commercial real estate ownership. Now have 24 executive offices that we own and rent and manage and it all started because that deal with Zaniss fell through. Crazy times. But I asked the question of East High Street, are we seeing a gentrification of one of the most important corridors because it's the gateway into Charlottesville and a gateway into Alamaro County. And are we going to see the same gentrification, ladies and gentlemen, on Cherry Avenue? I have often said those

are two of the corridors that have significant upside that are not pursuing their top potential at this point. A lot I want to cover on today's program. I want to highlight Charlottesville Business Brokers, one of our companies here at the Miller Organization. We've brokered north of $4 million in business transactions over the last 24 months, ladies and gentlemen. More than $4 million of broker deals at Charlottesville Business Brokers, including Great Harvest Bread Company, including Kroby's, Tangerine Kitchen, Mo's BBQ, Package Depot and we're working on one right now, Charlottesville Business Brokers. Tom Powell watching the program, he says

this, his photo on screen, the founder of the Toilift, it's sad but privately owned restaurants cannot compete with national chains. Nationwide buying power swaps local restaurants all the time. I'll highlight this. The oldest restaurant in Charlottesville, what is it, Judah? Who is it? Timberlake's? Yes. Very nice. You'll never forget that one again. Timberlake's is the oldest restaurant in Charlottesville, ladies and gentlemen. Timberlake's drug store has been around since 1890, which makes it 135 years old. It's been in two different locations. Okay? Timberlake's drug store, the owner of Timberlake's also owns the real estate. Maya restaurant, Peter Castiglione and his former

partner Christian Kelly, he's now the owner of Duners, but they own the real estate of Maya. They also own the apartment above it, I think the building next door. The restaurant owners that own the real estate, Wilson Richie was trying to do this. He bought before he passed away, Wilson Richie bought the downtown grill in the office space above it. And he was going to now it's home to one of the restaurants that he was at one time an owner of, the Bebedero and Rockfish Brewing Company. The ones that are locally owned and operated that also own the real estate are the ones that are going to survive this new world we're living in where people are eating out way less, where third‑party

delivery like Grubhub and Uber Eats are killing profit margin and diminishing food quality and certainly crushing experiences. Own the real estate if you're going to want to get into this game. All right. First topic of the show is something we've touched on already. What does Burt Ellis do with this knowledge that footage was put in a digital safe far exceeding the 90‑day policy for body camera police footage with the UVA police department. If you're Burt Ellis, how do you handle, manage and deal with this? Do you think he really wants to step back into the ring over this? He strikes me a guy that probably has some grudges.

Yeah, no doubt. And he was frankly very ‑‑ he was extremely mistreated, poorly treated. No doubt about it. And make sure we have the right lower third on screen. Maybe this is something that he wants to put time into and pursue. It just seems at this point that, I mean, as saucy as the information is, that clearly somebody in the UVA hierarchy orbit decided that ‑‑ It's got to be a Jim Ryan lieutenant Jim Ryan or long ago or

I mean you know somebody wanted somebody wanted to keep that keep that footage is whatever that ammo dry and ready for for whatever they needed to pull it out of their you know their pack and I don't know what that's worth, but it's wild just considering all the crazy stuff that's going on at UVA right now. E.G. Williams on YouTube says, if police officers are unable to handle an individual who is sharing strong criticism, aggressive is too much,

and assertive may be too little, then some police should have some more training should be pursued. Because it seems to me E.G. Williams says that all Burt Ellis was doing was questioning their methods of patrolling. And he wasn't even doing that outright. They approached him. You can see in the footage that he was just standing out on the sidewalk in front of the white spot. And they didn't like him staring, so they came over to talk to him.

And he's right. He didn't raise his voice. He didn't swear. And they really did not like anything that he had to say. E.G. Williams, I appreciate your comments. Maybe Mr. Ellis is pursuing his grudge or his vendetta with what the Jefferson Council is doing with their very aggressive approach to getting Jim Ryan terminated at UVA, pursuing paid for print advertisements and the daily progress, the Richmond Times Dispatch

and publishing prolific commentary and analysis on the Jefferson Council website on what Ryan has done wrong. Maybe that's behind the scenes, his vendetta and grudge being actualized. Co-founder of that organization, the Jefferson Council. Yeah. And all this coincides with the Board of Visitors meeting today, tomorrow and Friday, where

some speculation has Jim Ryan's job security is a topic of conversation. And speaking of the BOV, the Robert Hardy headline on screen, if you could, I do want to commend Rector Robert Hardy for his commitment to the University of Virginia. Twelve years he's been on the Board of Visitors, including two as Rector. His term officially ends on July 1. This is a triple who Robert Hardy, a former lawn resident, a one-time managing editor of the Cavalier Daily, a guy who gave millions of dollars for the Robert Hardy Football Operations Center which is a 93,000 square foot facility, state-of-the-art. Hardy bleeds orange and blue and his term on the Board of Visitors as rector, which is basically the chairman of the board, expires, ladies and gentlemen, on the 1st of July.

And then Glenn Yonkin will have absolute total control of the UVA BOV. Ken Cuccinelli, Cooch, on the BOV right now at the Boerse. His first time officially at the table, Cooch. So if you see Robert Hardy, give him some props, ladies and gentlemen. We, he, I've been told he watches and listens to the I Love Seavall show from time to time. Maria Marshall Barnes says on East High Street, Fabio's and Riverside make

it hard to compete at lunch. She also says, Maria Marshall Barnes, that gentrification for sure has a huge impact on East High Street and everywhere. Bill McChesney, my wife's cousin in North Dakota, occasionally comments, well, Charlottesville's back in the news again from North Dakota. Charlottesville loves the national news, ladies and gentlemen. Can't stay out of the national news. Martha Freeman, welcome to the program. Doug McCloud, Barbara Becker-Tilly and Jeremy Wilson, thank you for watching the show. Kevin Yancey, good afternoon to you. Judah Wichow, our next headline for the viewers and listeners, my friend. Let's see.

Verve. This is a quick one. This is a quick hitter we want to give you. The Verve is the apartment complex, over 1300 beds. It's an apartment tower that's being built next to Scott's stadium. The Verve, guys, is subtext, a national real estate developers doing this. They have a land lease for the dirt next to Scott Stadium where they're building a something ‑‑ you still have those photos?

You probably don't. »» Of what? »» The Verve? »» The Verve. I might. »» 1,332 beds, 729,262 square feet on Stadium Road. Jude, is the news that Emmett Street for the next two months is gonna have closures on it?

Part of Emmett Street. Emmett Street south between Stadium Road and JPA will close on June 9th, and it's expected to stay closed until August 15th. Look, when people say that more supply is going to stabilize prices, push back on them on that. That's not been the case. And also when people are saying new housing is important, realize that Emmet Street is

going to be closed for two months. Realize that Old Ivy Road, where they're doing the old Ivy residences is going to be greatly impacted traffic flow. The project next to Moe's Barbecue is going to impact traffic flow on Ivy Road. Our time is our most precious commodity and sitting in our vehicles because construction traffic has altered our routes to and from our family, to and from work and to and from leisure activities, that is called opportunity cost. That impacts us negatively. Enough is enough. Anything you want to add to that, Judah? As far as things go, I've heard it said that this might actually be a smart way to do things. Get

everything done out of the way over the summer while the students are gone. While the students are gone, we're not students. I know. But we're also talking about changing traffic for a good... For two months. Yeah. For two months. Mm-hmm I mean next headline what do you got next we have let's see we already went over Jack and Jill changing

of the guard on East High Street you've got your UVA sports timeline coming. This will be done right after the show on I love Seville.com. I've got a 12 month timeline, a timeline of events for UVA athletics over the last 12 months. Took me about half an hour to put it together. I was curious myself as someone who's a fan of the University of Virginia Athletic Department and I was astonished with what has happened over the last 12 months. And it's led me to ask you this question, the viewer

and listener of this question. I asked Jerry Radcliffe this question. I said, has this been the most challenging or tumultuous year for UVA athletics in its history? And he said, Jerry Radcliffe, who would know this, he's written multiple books. He's been to 50, I think it's 51 now, ACC basketball tournaments, straight.

He said he's never remembered in his time covering Virginia athletics a more challenging year for the athletic department than the last 12 months. No doubt. That timeline coming up on ilovecville.com, ladies and gentlemen. And then I'll close the program with one item timeline coming up on iloveseaville.com, ladies and gentlemen. And then I'll close the program with one item that did not get in the rundown, the jail

renovations. Put that in perspective for the viewers and listeners, because I think they should know what's happening here. There's been some acrimony over a group of Charlottesville and Albemarle County natives being extremely dissatisfied with with the changes being proposed for the jail. The jail is some parts of the jail were built I believe over 75 years ago and are in serious need of upgrades. Say what you will about the people in jail.

They shouldn't be living in, I don't know, I haven't seen the conditions myself. But the jail does need upgrades. When city council decided how to make those upgrades, there were, I believe, three different levels of costs that they were proposing, and they chose to go with the most expensive. There are people who feel that the inmates would be far better served with spending that money on services to help keep them or services to help them once they are released, services to help other people stay out of prison rather than spending it all on expanding the jail. Because, and I get the idea, you don't, we're not trying to make room for more people.

We don't want people in jail. That's not the best way to do things. We'd rather find a way to head people off before they get to the point where they end up in jail. So, now, find a way to head people off before they get to the point where they end up in jail. So now with all of this going on, the City Council put out a call for bids, an open call for bids to do the work required... Estimates came in too expensive. Like they always do. But every single one

of them came in I believe way over. And are we surprised by that? Trump's got tariffs everywhere. Labor is more expensive than it's ever been. Gasoline still ain't cheap. It's expensive to do any kind of work here. Are we surprised they came in higher than what they were? I got a client that's opening a business that Knock on Wood is going to open later this summer, okay? A bouldering and rock climbing gym on old Ivy Road. Great guy. Mike Kinnick, a great guy. Later this summer, Rock Revolution is going to open on old Ivy Road. You may remember the location is the former home of Pure Bar. We helped him find this spot, connected him with the owner of the building. He was searching for a long period of time. I can't wait for his business to open.

He's had delays and overruns with construction. Overruns tied to tariffs. Yeah, no doubt. I've got other clients that are facing the same headwinds. Tariffs, headwinds with construction. Everything overruns. I mean, the folks that are pushing, I walked into Truist Bank. Karen Timberlake, the teller at Truist Bank, loved Karen.

Dear sweet woman. She said, goodness gracious, they're spending all this money on the jail. How about they do something for us seniors here in Charlottesville? Spend that money on something for the seniors to do. Interesting. And another project that's had some delays. And we're going to welcome them on the show. I just booked this interview for next week. Colleen Shear, one time assistant coach for Julie Myers with the Women's Lacrosse team, head coach for JMU Women's Lacrosse Colleen Shear. She and two other partners are opening Seaville Smash, a pickle ball facility in the old Marshall's location. She is

scheduled for Thursday, June 19th to talk about Seaville Smash, the indoor pickle ball facility that is soon to open. There's some expectations that they will open. Let's see. Late August first week of September for Seaville Smash. I mean you talk about Dr. Halpert, Daniel, who is bringing Coco's, the indoor theme park and the old Big Lots location, he hopes to open in January. Let's see if that opens on time. All these clients and inner circle friends and people that we're consulting and conversating with all saying the same damn thing. I'm going to tell you right now, when Tubby's does this fire sale on June 28th, you're going to see that equipment sell for nickels on the dollar.

When the Champion Brewing Company fire sale happened, the auction, the manufacturers of the beer company, the manufacturers of the brewing equipment were one of the primary buyers of Champion's equipment because they didn't want the Champion beer equipment to flood the market and water down price point. So the manufacturer is literally going to auctions and buying their own equipment back to preserve price point. Think about how unhealthy that space is where the manufacturer who builds the equipment to sell to brewers is going to auctions and buying the equipment for pennies on the dollar so the equipment does not flood the market and water down price point. That ain't healthy. Conan Owen says, he's the owner of Sir Speedy.

You may see Conan and I doing some business here. Balls in your court over there, Conan. I enjoy chatting with you. I think you got a lot of things to say, Conan. He says time is not a commodity. It has different values to different people. A bushel of wheat does not vary. I appreciate the comment he's making. Time is my most precious commodity. I'll put that. How about I say that? My most precious commodity is my time. Because when I'm working, when I'm not working, I want to be spending time with my wife and kids. Maybe playing some racket sports. Anything you want to add that we didn't get to today,

Judah? Maybe working on my suntan. I've been working on my suntan lately. Anything you want to add? Not really. I will say that ‑‑ of all the insanity going on in Charlottesville, of all the insanity going on in Charlottesville, we now have FBI knocking on stories crazy knocking on Charlottesville area lawyers public defenders homes the FBI seven in the morning in what is clearly some type of I don't know strong not strong arm I don't think they're ‑‑ »» No, it's called terror. Fear tactic. Terrorizing. The FBI is going to the homes, the actual residences of public defenders. Surprising them in the early morning hours as early as 7 a.m. banging on their door to terrorize them.

And their families. And their families. Imagine what if you're in a neighborhood in Charlottesville and Almar county and a boatload of FBI agents show up at your door and bang on your door. That's happening in Charlottesville. We were on a list of sanctuary cities. Did you see that? Yeah, yeah. It got taken down real fast because it was, of course, absurd. Homeland security had Charlottesville on a list of sanctuary cities. Cities where illegal immigrants were being offered sanctuary. And then it was removed quickly from the Homeland Security website. Yeah. Because it was patently absurd. Tom Powell says thank you both for the show. I'll relay a story from last night. My wife and I are celebrating our eighth wedding

anniversary last night at Vivace restaurant, one of the best restaurants in Charlottesville and Almore County period bar non-Vivace restaurant. Food price fairly, food that's delicious, service with a smile, fantastic environment. My wife and I like to sit at table 68 in the bar area across from the popcorn machine at Vivace. It's loud enough where our maniac children can be themselves without disturbing anyone. Unfortunately, yesterday our two and a half year old was getting a little rowdy, picked up a fork, threw it over his head and over his shoulder and hit a 73 year old grandma in the temple. In the temple with the fork. She was very kind and said, I've been there before. I know what it's like to have children and grandchildren. Thank God.

We're having, enjoying an old fashioned me, my wife a spicy margarita, the boys are getting the pepperoni pizza, some of the best pizza out there at Pavachi. We're having fried calamari. I had the carbonara. My wife had the, is it croquettes? Some kind of pasta dish.

And it was just an absolutely fantastic experience. They have it dialed in, ladies and gentlemen. The labor force at Vivace is often young, teenage, high school age kids, as a lot of restaurants should be and at one time were. The bartenders are the ones that know your name, know your drink order and have been there forever. They got an outside dining area, they got a bar area, seating inside, plenty of parking, priced great. I just continue to be impressed with Vivace. Continue to be impressed. All right. That's the Wednesday edition of the show. Check iloveseaville.com later today.

We'll syndicate it across the I Love Seaville network, a timeline of the last 12 months at the University of Virginia. Boy, oh boy, this timeline of events is going to go viral once we publish it. Thank you for joining us for Judah Wickower who last night at Gavache got props from people in the bar area commending us on the show saying how much they enjoy the I Love Seville show and literally brought up that guy Judah compliments what you do very well. You guys do a great job. I want to commend you. They were not drunk. This was at 5.30 in the afternoon. 5.30 in the afternoon. Happy hour. I want to commend you though. I think some of the best shows we do

are when you are offering your valuable commentary. I appreciate you. For Judah, I'm Jerry. Thank you for joining us..