The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Former UVA President John Casteen Has Died; Casteen Died Tuesday After Pancreatic Cancer Fight

Episode Date: March 20, 2025

The I Love CVille Show headlines: Former UVA President John Casteen Has Died Casteen Died Tuesday After Pancreatic Cancer Fight Bert Ellis, UVA BOV Eviscerate DEI Initiatives What Will Be Collateral D...amage Of Tesla In Stonefield UVA School Of Medicine Considering Pay Cuts Flipbook Of UVA’s Ivy Road Development Evolution Dai Dai Ames Joins Blake Buchanan In Transfer Portal Tim Shropshire Comedy Night, Pro Re Nata, 3/27 Read Viewer & Listener Comments Live On Air The I Love CVille Show airs live Monday – Friday from 12:30 pm – 1:30 pm on The I Love CVille Network. Watch and listen to The I Love CVille Show on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, iTunes, Apple Podcast, YouTube, Spotify, Fountain, Amazon Music, Audible, Rumble and iLoveCVille.com.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Good Thursday afternoon, guys. I'm Jerry Miller. Thank you kindly for joining us on the I Love Seaville show. Today's program is absolutely loaded with content. In fact, we have so much news to pass along to you, the viewer and listener, that we had topics that did not make the rundown, the headlines that you see on screen, those topics of significance that did not make the rundown include Albemarle County advertising a 4‑cent tax rate increase on real property. I mean, it's bananas what's happening. Alamaro County, ladies and gentlemen, upping the tax rate on personal property and on real estate at a time when we're all penny-pinching. That did not make the rundown today. I mean, think about the significance of what we have to cover when Alamaro County is choosing
Starting point is 00:01:03 to advertise real estate and personal property tax rate increases and we don't have that in the headlines of today's show. We don't have a fantastic commentary from friend of the program, Neil Williamson, who makes multiple pop culture references on the free enterprise forum yesterday. Love Neil Williamson, love what he stands for. He highlights Tom Petty in the free enterprise forum yesterday and Almaro County's hesitation or their lack of urgency of adjusting zoning language when it comes to commercial buildings and commercial shopping centers and the opportunity to reposition them as residential. That did not make the rundown today.
Starting point is 00:01:45 So when you know topics like that that are not included in our headline list, you know that the show is absolutely loaded. And folks, we have stories that are sad, including John Castine's passing. We have stories that are jaw-dropping and Bert Ellis going on the record saying we're going to eviscerate diversity, equity and inclusion at the University of Virginia. I mean Ellis is legitimately
Starting point is 00:02:11 talking to the media and saying DEI and every aspect of it will be ripped out of the University of Virginia. I want to talk about that today with with Judah Wickhauer. We're going to talk on today's program the collateral damage of Tesla coming to Stonefield. It is getting nasty out there. Is it O'Connell Capital Partners that owns Stonefield, Judah? I believe so. The firm out of New York that owns the the second most expensive shopping center in all of central Virginia, the first, Barracks Road. We have a counter-protest now being planned, Judah, by Musk supporters and Tesla supporters led by Philip Andrew Hamilton. So we had a protest
Starting point is 00:03:00 by Democrats and socialists and activists that were anti-Tesla at Stonefield. During that protest, there was a miniature counter-protest led by the Republicans and conservatives, and now the Republicans and conservatives are going to lead another counter-protest at the shops of Stonefield. The dealership, the gallery hasn't even opened yet. What is going to happen when there's actually Teslas for sale in Stonefield? What is going to happen when Musk-led initiatives really
Starting point is 00:03:38 start impacting Charlottesville? And that's a perfect segue to another headline. UVA School of Medicine, ladies and gentlemen, is facing Musk and Donald Trump budget cuts, revenue and funding shortfalls. An estimated 25 million, the Augusta Free Press reports, the UVA School of Medicine is facing a 25 million reduction in funding, thanks to Elon Musk. Today at 2 p.m., the Augusta Free Press reports there's a town hall for UVA School of Medicine employees
Starting point is 00:04:13 and the speculation, the buzz as Chris Graham reports, is employees of the UVA School of Medicine will be presented a plan where five, 10%, and 15% pay cuts will be considered. A plan. You scoff at plan? Are you on screen over there? No. Why do you scoff at plan?
Starting point is 00:04:34 Is it a plan if you're telling people that they're going to get a pay cut? You're preparing them, aren't you? If you're having a town hall, think about what's happening at UVA Health here. Dude, it continues to rain on the UVA Health and School of Medicine brand. Yeah, no doubt. It continues to be tarnished.
Starting point is 00:04:59 Chris Graham has some choice words. Chris Graham, his reporting is not necessarily biased, but he creates a lot of content. I'll try a different approach. Chris Graham's reporting is not necessarily unbiased. He is often including his opinion into his journalism. And I'm fine with that because in 2025 and this era of influencers in the news, we fit that mold. We offer our perspective on the news cycle locally and our perspective and how we view the news cycle locally includes our commentary and our opinion.
Starting point is 00:05:52 It is not just who, what, when, where, why and I think that is the the future of news where you have influencers in the space and folks choosing to either agree or disagree, listen or watch the influencers. We really saw this becoming significant in our country in this November Trump-Biden election where Trump's strategy was to go on as many podcasts as possible, Joe Rogan, a perfect example, and allow these podcasters, these influencers, to shape the Trump narrative to their respective audiences. And that catapulted Trump to victory lane. Biden did not do that, the long form content, probably because of mental decline. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:06:51 Very respectful way of putting it. Mental decline. And can you imagine Joe Biden in a three hour setting with Joe Rogan? Joe Rogan would have picked him apart like Thanksgiving turkey. The whole world would have seen Biden and what mental state she was in. Can you imagine Kamala Harris in a three hour setting with Joe Rogan? Kind of. Would it have just been word salad after word salad, the same three or four handful of points repeated over and over again? And we're not going to make this
Starting point is 00:07:22 about national politics, okay? But my point is what Chris Graham is doing with the Augusta Free Press is he's peppering the news cycle with the sources that trust him with content, sources he's developed. He's a University of Virginia graduate. And he reports that the School of Medicine is having a town hall meeting today at 2 o'clock and the chitter chatter is employees of the School of Medicine are going to be presented by the higher-ups a plan of 5, 10, and 15 percent pay cuts. And that's happening at a time where the entire world is trying to stretch a penny. That's happening at a time where Alamaro County Judah Wickhauer is going to
Starting point is 00:08:00 raise the, at least they're advertising it, they haven't made a move on it yet. The real estate tax increase to 89, basically 90 cents per $100 of owned real estate. They're going to raise the taxes on our vehicles and on our automobiles and our personal property. It's bananas out there, ladies and gentlemen. A lot we're going to cover on the program. We're going to talk on today's program, the flip book of Ivy Road development as it pertains to the University of Virginia. We're going to talk Day Day Ames in the transfer portal. He joins Blake Buchanan. And ladies and gentlemen, more players are coming.
Starting point is 00:08:47 This firing of Ron Sanchez, where Carla Williams, the athletic director at the University of Virginia, she treated Ron Sanchez as if he was a flat tire patch kit. Nothing more than a stopgap that was used in a time of need. Carla Williams and UVA treated Ron Sanchez and the coaching staff made up of UVA basketball players. Jason Williford played at UVA. He's a UVA loyalist. Chase Coleman played basketball at UVA.
Starting point is 00:09:20 He's a UVA loyalist. Kyle Guy, Isaiah Wilkins, both played at UVA. UVA loyalists. Kyle Guy, Isaiah Wilkins, both played at UVA. UVA loyalist, Kyle Guy, a national champion, one of the greatest basketball players in UVA history, a national champion. Ron Sanchez and the gentleman who I just mentioned were treated by the University of Virginia brass as nothing more than a flat tire patch kit.
Starting point is 00:09:44 I wonder how the players feel about that. Well you got Day Day Ames now in the transfer portal and the folks that are saying losing Day Day Ames is not a big deal, I pushed back on that significantly. This guy could create off the bounce and get his own shot for himself and other teammates and he was one of the best offensive weapons for the University of Virginia in the second half of the season. To see him enter the transfer portal is a significant deal, much more so than Blake Buchanan.
Starting point is 00:10:14 We'll talk about that on today's program. We're also going to chatter on today's show. A comedy program at Pro Renata, if you could highlight that. Tim Shropshire coming to Pro Renata on March 27th. Tickets are $10, one of the best comedians in the country at Dr. John Shabe's Crozet location. You can get a table with your friends or your family, $10 entry fee if you'd like, and a couple of hours of fun at a brewery in Alamaro County. This is what's making Crozet's Pro Renata
Starting point is 00:10:57 the Disney World in the foothills of the Blue Ridge experiences offered offered. On March 27, Tim Shropshire will be there, an influencer, a comedian, a writer and a keynote speaker must have tickets. Ladies and gentlemen, Jude Allott, we're going to cover on today's program. I'm very excited for today's show. I think you and I have a boatload of ammunition. The headline that most intrigues you and why. Do we go John Castine? Have you guys seen that John Castine is now dead? This is a sad story. Is this the headline that
Starting point is 00:11:32 ‑‑ I mean, it's at the top of our lead right now. Our rundown. My mom worked for him for a good number of years. Your mom worked for John Castine? I didn't know that. That's how I met him at several of the dinners, the events at the Hill. And I mean, you know, I don't ‑‑ At Carson Hill. I wasn't a close friend or anything. I didn't know him very well personally. But he was a decent guy as far as I could tell. And I'm sad to hear that he's passed.
Starting point is 00:12:02 I went to the University of Virginia. My brother went to the University of Virginia. My brother went to the University of Virginia. My dad went to the University of Virginia. John Castine was the president at the University of Virginia when my brother and I were students. He led the University of Virginia as president for 20 years. John Castine to say that he had a larger than life personality
Starting point is 00:12:23 is an understatement. When John Castine was in the room, you knew John Castine was in the room. In fact, when John Castine was coming to the room, you knew that John Castine was on his way there. He was a larger than life figure. He died on Tuesday of this week with a fight, a brief bout with pancreatic cancer. John Castine, 81 years young. I had a, my cousin from Norfolk was in town with his newly minted fiance. And my cousin on Sunday, on a Sunday a few weeks ago was going to a show at the either the
Starting point is 00:13:07 Jefferson or the or the Southern it was Big Head Todd was in town. Wow. He had tickets to Big Head Tom and and I meet my cousin on the downtown mall for some pre-gaming before the show. We go to Miller's, we go to the livery stable, we go to Jack Brown's, we go back to Miller's, and then I catch an Uber home to Ivy, and he and his newly minted fiance and another couple that was with us go to see Big Head Todd. And one of the things that really struck me, Judah, from my visit with my cousin, my only cousin, my only first cousin on my father's side, my only first cousin on my father's side. He made this comment to me. He said, Jerry, it's 2025. My cousin's older than I am. 50 or so years old. Youthful spirit, zest for life, engaged for the first time, married,
Starting point is 00:14:09 gonna be married next year, 2026. And he said something that struck and stuck with me. He said, Jerry, in 2025, we are gonna have the luxury and the pleasure and the resources of living longer than ever. He said, to say that we can live to 100 or beyond is realistic. When our fathers were our age, they never anticipated living to 100 or older. But with the advancement of technology and medicine and the innovation with technology and medicine and care, we are gonna live to 100 or older.
Starting point is 00:14:52 And I said, God willing. And then he said, your children, your two sons, with the advancement and resources that come with technology and innovation and patient care, your two boys, they're six. In fact, my oldest turned seven today. He's seven years old today. Happy birthday.
Starting point is 00:15:10 Happy birthday to him. Our youngest is almost 2 and 1 half. He said, your boys may flirt with 120 years old. When I see someone like John Castine is dead at 81, it takes me aback. because I see 81 now and maybe this is a sign of maturation and being circumspect and having a little bit more life perspective. There was a time where I thought 81 was oh so old and now I see 81 as oh so young. I see a lot of runway left. And pancreatic cancer
Starting point is 00:15:50 took John Castine from this planet, the University of Virginia's seventh president, a man who served longer than any president but the university's first, Edwin Alderman in Carse Hill. He is widely viewed as one of the most significant figures in the history of the University of Virginia. If I had to build a Mount Rushmore, I've had this topic come on the show in the past, a Mount Rushmore and Neil Williamson and James Watson, I hope you can help me with this topic, John Blair and Georgia Gilmer and Kevin Yancey and and and Ahmad Hawkins, I hope you can help me with this topic. John Blair and Georgia Gilmer and Kevin Yancey and Ahmad Hawkins, I hope you can help me with this topic. Jesse Rutherford and Chris Fairchild and Lloyd Snook,
Starting point is 00:16:32 I hope you can help me with this topic. If I had to build a Marlene Jones, a Mount Rushmore, Mr. Nate Kibler, if you can help me with this topic, a Mount Rushmore of UVA influence, whose bus would be on that mount? That's a question I have for you. I'm going to answer that question in 15 seconds. First, I want to celebrate Charlton Sanitary Supply.
Starting point is 00:17:01 60 consecutive years in business, Andrew Vermillion and John Vermillion. Let's help them get another 60 years and hit the 120 marker, the age I want my kids to live to. Online at Charlottesville sanitary supply.com and located on East High Street. John and Andrew Vermillion doing business the right way. John Vermillion the one-time small business person of the year. Who's on the Mount Rushmore of the University of Virginia? Definitely Castine. I don't know the university as well as you do though. See, the first that you would have to say is Thomas Jefferson.
Starting point is 00:17:37 Yeah. The first you would say that's on the Mount Rushmore, you should say is Thomas Jefferson. Neil Williamson, I love the Tom Petty reference in your commentary from yesterday. I highlighted it to start the show. Bill McChesney, Neil Williamson, John Blair, who's on the Mount Rushmore? Thomas Jefferson, clear cut, right? Is the second, is bust the right word for Mount Rushmore? Is a better word depiction, the second depiction for Mount Rushmore?
Starting point is 00:18:05 Is a better word depiction, the second depiction, on Mount Rushmore? Who does say? Should I use bust or depiction, do you think? Bust isn't wrong, I don't think. So you say bust is good? Yeah, bust is good, I think. OK, so the first bust is Thomas Jefferson.
Starting point is 00:18:20 Am I right or wrong here, viewers and listeners? Yeah, he built it. Right, he's got to be number one, right? Is number two John Castine, the second longest tenure of any president at the University of Virginia? Is number two John Castine? He's credited with growing the University of Virginia Endowment from 488 million to $5.1 billion. This insulated the institution from significant state budget cuts in the early 1990s. I want to highlight that again.
Starting point is 00:18:57 Castine is credited with increasing, upticking, growing the University of Virginia endowment from 488 million to 5.1 billion dollars. That is a 10x plus increase in the endowment. News.virginia.edu the UVA media arm, UVA Today, which you can find online at news.virginia.edu, the UVA media arm, UVA Today, which you can find online at news.virginia.edu, has a fantastic, is it, what is it called, I'm at a loss for the word, obituary for John Castine. This man's administration was credited with admitting more women, international students, and minority students, and minority
Starting point is 00:19:45 students while adding 20 new degree programs. He was the visionary behind Access UVA. He oversaw dramatic increases in financial aid, opening UVA to students who previously could not have considered attending. In a lot of ways, John Castine may be rolling over in his grave right now as the UVA Board of Visitors, Burt Ellis, and Youngkin's 13 of 17 appointments cut back and diminish a lot of what Castine stood for.
Starting point is 00:20:18 Is John Castine, as you're putting lower thirds on screen, right, number one or number two on the UVA Mount Rushmore, with Thomas Jefferson being number one. Who's number three on Mount Rushmore? Does a guy like Ralph Sampson make the Mount Rushmore? Or is a guy like Tony Bennett ahead of Ralph Sampson on the Mount Rushmore? Or do you say there's no point for sports being on the Mount
Starting point is 00:20:44 Rushmore of UVA? Personally, for me, it's Tony Bennett over Ralph, both friends of the program. Know both well. Is Tony Bennett or Ralph Sampson on the Mount Rushmore of UVA? I say Bennett in that case. Of anyone sports related, Tony Bennett, I had a Terry Holland, I had a Craig Littlepage,
Starting point is 00:21:06 Brian O'Connor, Ralph Sampson, Kyle Guy, Tony Bennett, I'll put him in the three slot. When do we start talking behind the scenes influence of the University of Virginia? When do we start talking, Jeffrey Woodruff, friend of the program, fantastic squash player, the top contributor of donations in University of Virginia history behind the scenes, Jeffrey Woodruff, made the Data Science Center happen, made the MacArthur Squash Center happen. Very behind the scenes and very on the down low,
Starting point is 00:21:49 I would say Jaffrey is on the Mount Rushmore of the University of Virginia with individuals with the most significance in the history of shaping UVA. I hope he hears this. I hope someone passes this along to my friend. Does Paul Manning get on that Mount Rushmore? Gave $100 million to the biotechnology, Fontaine Manning Research Park. Is he on there? Neil Williamson says Leonard Sandridge deserves a position on the Mount Rushmore of UVA. Neil Williamson highlights the
Starting point is 00:22:26 the longest tenured president and President Alderman as an option for the bus. There are photos on screen, Neil Williamson. Sandra McDaniel says, how about Darden? Quite impressive. I wrote a paper on him in high school sonar McDaniel. Could you share more insight into the man whose? surname Highlights the marquee of the business school. I would love some more Intel with the paper that you shared sonar McDaniel You know, I respect your opinion tremendously Margie King Collins says about Lars Tiffany several national championships. She highlights the lacrosse coach at UVA. Love coach Tiffany. See the man working out quite often at Boar's Head. James
Starting point is 00:23:14 Watson says it's due time. Edgar Allan Poe, Corrin Capshaw, Tina Fey, Keddy Couric, Tony Bennett, Chris Long, and Alexis Ohanian, the founder of Reddit. We're going to need a bigger mountain. This is significant. It shows you the impact that UVA has, not just in the Commonwealth, not just in the country, but worldwide. I mean, Edgar Allan Poe, one of the most institutional names in all of literature. I learned of Edgar Allan Poe in middle school.
Starting point is 00:23:45 Yep. Literally in middle school. Corin Capshaw, one of the most successful entrepreneurs and movers and shakers in University of Virginia history, period. Corin Capshaw did not graduate from UVA though. I don't think Poe did either. I'm quite confident you're right. You could probably look it up. In though. I don't think Poe did either. I'm quite confident you're right. You could probably look it up. In fact, I don't think he was there for more than a year. You could also look that up too. Tina Fey, one of the most noteworthy actors, actresses of her generation. Katie Couric, what? The face of nightly news for at least a generation, maybe two? Tony Bennett already on the Mount Rushmore. Chris Long, has he done enough to be on the Mount Rushmore? Alexis
Starting point is 00:24:35 Ohanian just gave a massive contribution to the women's basketball program. The husband of Serena Williams and the co-founder of Reddit, one of the most popular social media platforms now publicly traded. What are your thoughts, viewers and listeners? I think these people are locks for the Mount Rushmore. How many busts are on Mount Rushmore, Judah? Is it five? It's four. Is it four? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:02 Okay. I'm sorry. Judah, it's coughing at me. I'm only laughing because I saw a photo of a gold bust, a gold Mount Rushmore with a fifth person on it. So if memory serves correct from Chris Joyce's 11th grade AP US history class, the bust on Mount Rushmore, Abe Lincoln, Tommy Jefferson, Big George Washington, and Teddy Roosevelt. Sounds right. Is that right? I can look.
Starting point is 00:25:33 Abe, Teddy, Tommy, and George. I got a five on the AP History exam, by the way. Five on the Spanish exam as well. Is that a good score? Oh, yeah. Okay. That's the top, the best score you can get. James Watson said, Judah's correct, neither graduated from UVA, Corrin or Edgar, but UVA
Starting point is 00:26:01 takes credit for both. I think these are a lock for the as the Castine lower-thirds are on screen. Thomas Jefferson, number one. Yeah. John Castine who died Tuesday, number two. Jaffrey Woodruff, the top donor at the University of Virginia, behind the scenes, the most influential. His hedge fund QIM, behind the scenes, extremely influential in this community. And number four, that one's up in the air. Do you put Tony Bennett on there?
Starting point is 00:26:38 Do you put Leonard Sandridge on there? Do you put President Alderman on there? Do you put some of these other suggestions like Tina Fey, Katie Couric, Chris Long, Alexis Ohanian on there? Do you put Sandra McDaniel's Darden on there? Do you put Paul McIntyre on there whose reputation in a lot of ways, his historical reputation, his legacy, his legacy is a better term, is being tarnished by Charlottesville activist Paul McIntyre. Who is in the fourth bus slot, viewers and listeners? If you're just tuning into the program, the second longest tenure president at UVA, John
Starting point is 00:27:30 Castine, has passed away. Dead at 81 after a fight with pancreatic cancer. The seventh president in University of Virginia history. history, a man who took the UVA endowment from $488 million to $5.1 billion, which helped insulate the University of Virginia from significant budget cuts. No doubt. The same cuts. Life is full circle. Similar cuts that the university is facing right now. More on that in a moment.
Starting point is 00:28:06 What are your thoughts, viewers and listeners? John Blair's got a comment. I was hoping John Blair would offer a comment. He says, congratulations on your son's birthday. Thank you, John Blair. I'm very proud of him. Just like I know you are very proud of your fantastic son as well.
Starting point is 00:28:22 He says, amount Rushmore implies four figures. Thomas Jefferson, he says, should be on there. Colgate Darden is the president who as a former governor really got the state to start funding UVA again. Castine certainly brought UVA into its current status as a national university with a national fundraising profile. The last one is tough.
Starting point is 00:28:44 Ralph Sampson is who put UVA on the sports map. There is no national profile for UVA sports without Ralph. But a couple of other names for your consideration. Woodrow Wilson is probably the most famous alumna of UVA. There's also a case for Joseph Cabell of Cabell Hall. Not really sure that UVA is figured, founded without his help in the state legislator. And he also says, George Welsh, the football coach,
Starting point is 00:29:08 should be an honorable mention consideration. I'll tell you a story. Ready for a story? I pledged Phi Kappa Psi at the University of Virginia. This is the fraternity that's in the end of the Mad Bowl, the most iconic of all the fraternities. I'm not saying it's the best, I'm not saying it's the worst.
Starting point is 00:29:32 I'm leaving my personal opinion. Of course I think it's the best, the one we joined. It's the one that's at the end of the Mad Bowl down Rugby Road. Can't miss it, most iconic location. You pledge Phi Kappa Psi, you have to do a lot of stuff. What I had to do is very different than what the goats, the pledges are doing now.
Starting point is 00:29:51 And probably what I had to do was very different than what the goats, the pledges had to do when my dad was at the University of Virginia. My brother followed me as a pledge at the University of Virginia, also at Phi Kappa Psi. me as a pledge at the University of Virginia also at Phi Kappa Psi. On our composite, the composite is a large photo that highlights the photos of all the brothers. In the dead center of the composite is a picture of Woodrow Wilson. A Phi Kappa Psi on our composite. We were proud that he was amongst our company at one time.
Starting point is 00:30:31 Woodrow Wilson, is he on the Mount Rushmore of UVA? That's a challenging question, only picking four of the most influential and noteworthy to shape what is one of the best universities in the world. Ladies and gentlemen, all right, it is now 1 0 5 on a glorious and gorgeous Thursday afternoon and the opening round opening action of March Madness. Judah Wickauer the next headline for the viewers and listeners. James Watson said honorable mention should be Larry Sabato and Professor Julian Bond. James Watson, you make the program better. Your perspective and your command of history in this community is noteworthy, commendable,
Starting point is 00:31:20 and appreciated, sir. Jeremy Wilson is watching in Tennessee. He says George Welsh should absolutely be on there. And Jeremy Wilson says, I disagree with Chris Graham of the Augusta Free Press on some of his political views, but he is a good journalist and he's probably a thorn in the athletic department's side. Chris Graham is a University of Virginia graduate. He's often outspoken against what the University of Virginia has done. And if you read his journalism, like I often do, he is a card-carrying Democrat that often
Starting point is 00:31:56 throws shade against Republicans and what he likes to highlight, MAGA Republicans, and a lot of his commentary, including in the commentary about the budget cuts the UVA School of Medicine is facing. What is the next headline we have, Judah Wickhauer? Burt Ellis and the UVA Board of Visitors, Eviscerate DEI initiatives. Oh my goodness. Ladies and gentlemen, this story was in the daily progress today and Bert Ellis, who no longer has a nickname on this show, we often nickname Bert Ellis something associated with a box cutter, but we don't do that anymore after hearing from the Ellis team. He is one of 13 of Youngkin's appointments on the Board
Starting point is 00:32:49 of Visitors and I believe is the most influential, the most significant pot stirrer, the most outspoken, most outspoken and what could be the 2025 North Star of the Board of Visitors is the businessman from Georgia. He speaks on the record with the Daily Progress, good job to Daily Progress writer Dimitri Martrosov, I can't say his last name. Maybe you can help me with that. Bert Ellis says, and I quote, I'm going to read this verbatim, I'm going to quote it from Bert Ellis. Are you ready?
Starting point is 00:33:38 I quote, this board unanimously voted to rip out the entire DEI infrastructure and everybody who works in the DEI infrastructure. Absolutely every aspect of it, every aspect of every program, every aspect of DEI is to be ripped out, shredded, terminated, end quote. I can't make that up. He utilizes verbs, ripped out, shredded, terminated to describe DEI's future at UVA. He issues this statement because the rector, Robert Hardy, initially tried to diminish what the board intended to do with diversity, equity and inclusion.
Starting point is 00:34:29 Robert Hardy, I would say more center-isled or more left-leaning. Bert Ellis, I would not say is center-isled, I would say is very conservative. And the rector, Robert Hardy, who clearly is losing power and influence on the Board of Visitors. This guy donated a massive amount of money to the Athletic Department. Has the football facility, the new football facility named after him, Robert Hardy. He and his wife. Robert Hardy is the guy that owns Keswick Hall. Owns Keswick Hall. Other hotel properties.
Starting point is 00:35:01 Including, I believe, does he own the Jefferson? Does his family own the Jefferson Hotel? The Jefferson Hotel Richmond owner. Maybe not. I know Robert Hardy, he owns ‑‑ definitely owns Keswick. Let's see if I can do a quick Google search. What hotels does Robert Hardy own? There's one in Tennessee. Okay, he owns the Keswick Hall in Keswick, Virginia and the Hermitage Hotel in Nashville. He's the co-chairman and CEO of H7 Holdings LLC. He's the rector of the Board of Visitors, and the rector of the Board of Visitors is
Starting point is 00:35:48 having his influence chopped out from under him by Burt Ellis in the fact that Yonkin has 13 of 17 appointments on the board. And Ellis is the captain of the 13. Ellis is the alpha dog of the 13. Every sports team, there's an alpha dog. The alpha dog isn't the biggest. Doesn't have to be the biggest. The alpha dog doesn't have to be the fastest.
Starting point is 00:36:17 The alpha dog doesn't have to be the strongest. The alpha dog doesn't have to be the loudest. The alpha dog has qualities that are undisputed. Ellis has those qualities. His swagger, how he carries himself, his willingness to say the uncomfortable, thick skinned. It reminds me of the statement or the phrase, it's not the size of the dog that matters,
Starting point is 00:36:49 it's the size of the fight in the dog that matters. And Alice is now going on victory on record and he's saying, you know what, Robert Hardy, the rector, he tried to diminish what the Board of Visitors was going to do with diversity, equity, and inclusion. I'm going to go on record in my personal capacity not speaking for the board, but speaking for me personally, Bert Ellis. I'm going to tell you, this is what we're going to do to DEI at UVA. We're going to rip it out, we're going to shred it, and we're going to terminate it.
Starting point is 00:37:22 His words. And now Glenn Youngkin is going on a national media tour. The man who appointed 13 of 17 to the BOV. And he says, DEI is done at UVA. Today, the University of Virginia Board of Visitors voted for common sense, saying no to illegal illegal discrimination and yes to merit-based opportunity. Yonkin and the board have given Jim Ryan 30 days to report back on compliance when it comes to DEI. They are gonna stick Jim Ryan's...
Starting point is 00:38:01 I was gonna say something a little graphic there. That was my guess too. Something in a vice. Choosing my words. I can see where that went. Can you help me with this one? They're going to hold Jim Ryan accountable. How's that? They're going to hold the president of UVA accountable
Starting point is 00:38:16 and make sure that he leads a charge that Bert else's words terminates, rips, and shreds DEI away from the University of Virginia. And the interesting thing about this, Judah, I don't see how this is not, I don't see how this does not lead to firings or pink slips for people tied to the DEI department. Yeah. Jim Ryan told the board that there's 55 people who primarily work in DEI. The board pushes back on that and says that,
Starting point is 00:38:54 well, you know, there's really more than that. Yeah, we think there might be more, we think you're also spending more than you say you are. Yeah, so Jim Ryan's trying, what Ryan's trying to do, the president of UVA, is he's trying to diminish, what Ryan's trying to do, the president of UVA, is he's trying to diminish the impact of DEI. Where just less than two years ago, just a little while ago,
Starting point is 00:39:12 they were championing DEI. And they were highlighting that this is one of our important momentums and initiatives and waving the flag. I think what he's doing is trying to hide some of it. Of course that's what he's trying to do. Because he knows the BOV is going to try to rip it, terminate it, shred it. And the more that's obvious out there, the more ripping, terminating and shredding happens.
Starting point is 00:39:36 Which means people will lose their jobs. People will be fired tied to the University of Virginia. So Ryan's now trying to do defense mode. He's trying to be strategic. God, I do not, is the most unwanted job, I hope Jim Ryan hears this, is the most unwanted job in central Virginia right now Jim Ryan's job? Probably.
Starting point is 00:40:03 I mean, dude literally is dealing with a board that's his boss that wants him to fire people is putting his nuts in a vise. Oh man. Putting his nuts in the vise with the health system. Putting his beans on the fire. Putting his beans on the fire with UVA health system fraud and medical chart changing. The pro-Palestine pepper spray, he's the fall guy for that. Do we think Jim Ryan wanted the Virginia State Police to pepper spray students?
Starting point is 00:40:41 I feel like that's the last thing he would do. The last thing he would do. The last thing he would do. But he's become the fall guy for that. He's the fall guy, Jim Ryan, for not releasing the triple murder football player report. Two reports he won't be releasing. He won't release the health system report. Is he going to release the report, the investigative
Starting point is 00:41:00 report on the pro-Palestine pepper spraying protest from May of last year? We're about a year removed from that. We still don't have that report. Jim Ryan's now going to have to shit can people that are tied to DEI. The board's telling him to do that. I wish he was championing. Which he was not just championing, he was waving the flag.
Starting point is 00:41:21 He was doing the Boston Marathon and the New York, the marathons that he does in the 7 a.m. runs around grounds basically carrying the DEI flag. I mean, dude makes what? About a million bucks and gets to live in Cars Hill? That compensation and not worth what Jim Ryan's going through. You want to see a man that's aged and weathered? Put his photo on screen when he gets the job. We should do this tomorrow. His photo on screen when he took the job and what he looks like now. Bert Ellis, good Lord. And you know what the sad thing is? I said this earlier in the week. The DEI apparatus had to be re-imagined. It was bloated.
Starting point is 00:42:13 But the DEI apparatus did not need to be eviscerated. You think? There was some middle ground here. But what UVA did not do, they didn't see the forest through the trees, when they took the DEI apparatus, the initiative, and they put it and the apparatus attract attention. And that attention, that bloated payroll, became in the crossfire, got in the crossfire of very powerful and influential people. Most noteworthy, the governor and Burt Ellis. And now they made it a priority to take a Tommy gun and blow Swiss cheese type holes into the apparatus, into the initiative.
Starting point is 00:43:16 And now it went from one end of the 180 degree spectrum to the other opposite end of the 180 degree spectrum to the other opposite end of the 180 degree spectrum. And this apparatus, this initiative, is quintessential microcosm 2025 in America. And 2025 in America is no longer the Ronald Reagan ideology, JFK ideology, it's no longer the agree to disagree ideology, it's no longer the we don't agree on this, but we can drink a bourbon and have an emperor of clouds
Starting point is 00:43:52 and break some bread and eat some steak frites or a steakhouse at Citizen. We hate you. 2025 is now on a gorgeous and glorious Saturday afternoon, we choose to spend our afternoons protesting an empty storefront in Stonefield because some electric vehicles are gonna be sold there. It's not that I don't, it used to be this.
Starting point is 00:44:15 I don't support the Tesla dealership coming here, but this is a 70 degree Saturday and damn near close to spring. I have things better to do than to hold up signs that were hideously caricatured and spend my afternoon with strangers screaming into the wind that no one can hear but like-minded individuals like myself. Listen to the mindset. 200 people go to a building that doesn't even have a sign on it. Doesn't even have any vehicles in it. Has it even been built? It's not even open.
Starting point is 00:44:56 And they go to a spot and they have signs that have the character and the art talent of a third grader and they scream with strangers and the only people that hear them are like-minded individuals. This is the world we live in and this isn't about me and Musk and politics. I'm not telling you whether I like Musk or I hate Musk. I'm just analyzing human behavior here. That's all I'm doing is analyzing human behavior. It's insanity. It's insanity. It's effing insanity. How about you drink some pro-run out of beer? How about you enjoy Drink some Pro Renata beer. How about you enjoy a concert at Pro Renata on a Saturday. Take your kids on the playground at Pro Renata.
Starting point is 00:45:56 Throw some axes. Eat some dinos and some moothrew at Pro Renata. Talk to John at ProRonana. How about you open your pool with some supplies from Charlesville Sanitary Supply? Insanity. What happened with DEI in Charlesville before I go to the next topic is a microcosm of the world we live in. Where in a very short period of time it can go from the flag-waving initiative of the one of the best universities in the country to being six feet underground. Elon Musk is another example. The people that utterly despise Elon Musk are the people 18 months ago that were on Elon Musk's tip.
Starting point is 00:46:53 On his what? On his tip. Okay. A Kelly Kapowski, Valerie Malone, Kelly Taylor, Pamela Anderson, CJ Parker poster of Elon Musk in their bedroom. Did you have posters of Kelly Kapowski or Valerie Malone or CJ Parker? Don't even know who they are. You don't know who these people are? You don't know who Kelly Kapowski is.
Starting point is 00:47:25 The name sounds vaguely familiar. I'd if I had to guess I'd say 90210. Saved by the Bell. Saved by the Bell. Okay. Tiffany Amber Thiessen. You didn't have her poster in your room? No. Jenny Garth. I was a little bit. Valerie Malone. That's a little bit older than you. CJ Parker. Baywatch. My sisters may have been into those shows. Geez Louise. I just never... The people that hate Musk today had a life-size poster and cut out of him in their bedroom 18 months ago. Make it make sense. I can't. Make it make sense for me.
Starting point is 00:48:07 Please. And I'm just talking human behavior here. This isn't about politics. This isn't about politics. This isn't about Doge. I was just reading through... This isn't about Trump. I was just reading through a bunch of comments of people saying, oh, you know, it's a shame
Starting point is 00:48:21 that I don't have the money to switch cars right now. It's like there are comment after comment of people being sorry that they bought a car a few years ago. That's just, you're right, make it make sense. Make it make sense. It's a car. Did you like the car when you bought it?
Starting point is 00:48:44 Make it make sense. It's a car. Did you like the car when you bought it? Make it make sense. Your car is not your personal brand. Your car is not your identity. Your car is not your identity. What is the next headline? Judah Wickauer, jack of all trades, jack of all wits. Are we, were we on, were we on the Bert Ellis one still? We covered that one.
Starting point is 00:49:09 Or have we moved on to, no I know that, but Randy O'Neill, thank you for watching the program. Collateral damage of Tesla in Stonefield. Okay, why don't we talk about that as I get off this topic. I'll close this topic with this. What will be the collateral damage of the Tesla dealership opening in Stonefield? You got that lower third on screen?
Starting point is 00:49:29 Yeah. What will be the collateral damage of this? I don't know but I'm hoping that there's I'm hoping that they are civil over the next weeks and potentially months. I mean let me ask you this if you work for the Tesla Gallery in Stonefield, are you going to fear for your safety? I would hope not, but at this point I don't know. Will you feel for your safety if you work at the Tesla dealership in Stonefield? Let me ask you this question. If you're the direct neighbor of the Tesla gallery in Stonefield, the direct neighboring businesses,
Starting point is 00:50:07 is your business model going to suffer because you're next to the Tesla gallery? I mean, is that crazy that we have to even ask that question? There are people lighting the cars on fire. I know. The FBI legitimately is investigating Tesla terrorist attacks right now. It's nuts. It is nuts. I'm sincerely asking the viewer and listener of this question. Stonefield, when this dealership, this gallery opens and you're the neighbor to this gallery, can you ask
Starting point is 00:50:37 O'Connell partners for a reduction in rent? Because they've brought what many in the community call the commercialized version of the devil to the shopping center? I mean everybody, everybody would ask for that. Will there be graffiti? Will there be broken glass? Will there be violence? Will there be employees that fear for their lives? If you're the neighboring businesses, will your business suffer? What does this do to the shopping center in total? These are very fair questions. Why are they fair questions?
Starting point is 00:51:09 Because we live in Charlottesville. We live in a community where the ideology is the antithesis of the business model that's coming here. That's some fodder, some chitter chatter for your cocktail party this weekend. Next headline, what do you got? UVA School of Medicine, considering pay cuts. So I touched on this briefly. Chris Graham of the Augusta Free Press cites sources in the UVA School of Medicine
Starting point is 00:51:49 that there's going to be a town hall meeting today at 2. And in this town hall meeting at 2 PM, employees are being presented a plan where 5%, 10%, and 15% pay cuts will be implemented by the School of Medicine. 5, 10, and 15%. This is... You gotta love corporations. This is significant pay cuts here.
Starting point is 00:52:11 Yeah. 5, 10, and 15%. The School of Medicine is facing an estimated $25 million reduction, Chris Graham reports of the Augusta Free Press, in funding from the Elon Musk chainsaw he writes. And because of that shortfall, the School of Medicine, five, 10, and 15% pay cuts for their employees. The cuts in National Institutes of Health funding for medical research were announced by Trump and Musk
Starting point is 00:52:39 on the 7th of February. They wanna say four billion a year with these cuts. Graham very accurately asked this question. The endowment at UVA is $14 billion with a B dollars. $14 billion. Why are they not using some of the endowment money to keep rank and file employees from having their salaries cut. Fair question. Alamaro County, I'm gonna I'm gonna link this Neil Williamson, you'll appreciate this Neil. I'm going to make a segue or a parallel or a link to Alamaro County. There's many in the community that are extremely angry. Alamaro County, the county executive, and the board of supervisors are
Starting point is 00:53:28 considering the budget for 2026. We're talking the sixth largest county in the Commonwealth, a budget well north of $600 million a year. And in this budget, there's very little incremental revenue that is going to be allocated to affordable housing and that's that's that's a chap the tail feathers of activists in our community. Ned Galloway was on the show this past Friday friend
Starting point is 00:54:00 of the program. Ned and I don't agree on everything we agree on a lot of stuff but we do it in a way where it's respectful and friendly and then we go a friend of the program, Ned and I don't agree on everything, we agree on a lot of stuff, but we do it in a way where it's respectful and friendly and then we go sip a bourbon and respect each other. He came up with the idea, let's consider taking money out of the CIP fund and allocating it to affordable housing so we don't have to raise taxes as much on residents that are strapped. Still they're gonna raise the taxes on personal property. I'm against that.
Starting point is 00:54:30 Still they're gonna raise the tax rate on personal property and real estate. I'm against both of those. Why I'm against that is because our assessments went up, so they're already getting incremental revenue on the assessed value of our homes increasing. They certainly don't need to increase the tax rates, but they're doing it anyway.
Starting point is 00:54:46 At least they're advertising it. Galloway, who I hope Ned hears this. Ned, I hope you hear this. I'm giving you some props here. He seems to be very level headed. He's about to go into his third term. The worst kept secret in all of central Virginia and in Alamara County is Ned Galloway is going to run again. We know
Starting point is 00:55:05 he's going to run again. He hasn't announced it. He's going to run again. He's going to run again. I hope he hears us. He says let's take some money out of the CIP fund to fund housing affordability. I love that idea. Because he's taking money that's already here, already in the budget, already on the balance sheet. And he's saying, we're going to shift it from this to that, because that's what some in the community want. Some in the community want. I heard B. Lepisto-Curtley talking about that this morning.
Starting point is 00:55:37 Supervisor-Curtley said, that was a really good idea. And it seemed to have some political pull or political willingness. Galloway's approach to funding shortfall is good. UVA, will you follow suit by taking money out of your $ billion dollar endowment? What was the number Rob Neal suggested to us the other day? A 14 billion dollar, my calculator doesn't even go up that high. At a 6% return, it's like, what was that? What was the return I said? Was it like 800 million dollars? I don't remember. Is that too much? I don't know. That makes sense. Because
Starting point is 00:56:26 10% of $14 billion is $1.4 billion. So if you get a 6% return on a 14 plus billion dollar endowment, you're talking what, 800 and some million return? Why don't we use some of that to keep the rank and file at the School of Medicine from taking a cut of their pay? Right. Jeez Louise. That's essentially what Graham says. He says that 25 million would seem to be a drop in the bucket at UVA, a school with a 5.8 billion annual budget and 14.2 billion endowment. And then his sarcasm comes out.
Starting point is 00:57:08 Wild idea here. The endowment is there for a reason, right? Yeah. Neil Williamson, president of the Free Enterprise Forum said, I would not be surprised if considering the current stock performance, Tesla sales expansion plan shift and the Charlottesville store never opens. All right, how about a prop bet? Let's do a prop bet, Judah. Let's you and I do a
Starting point is 00:57:32 prop bet. 750 milliliter, bottle of 75 and under. It's got to be between $50 and 75. Brown juice. I really like the Macallan 12 that you bought the studio bar. So do I. Do you want to do a prop bet on the Tesla gallery opening? Not really. Why not? God, why don't you like to gamble? Because I have notorious bad luck. There's no such thing as bad luck. There's no such thing as bad luck. There's no such thing as bad luck. We make our own luck in life and we make our own luck in life by the work we
Starting point is 00:58:12 put into whatever we're doing, by the practice we put into whatever we're doing, and by the decision-making and by hedging outcomes. Some of us are just better at it than others. Tesla dealership opening in Stonefield. Do you think it's going to open or do you not think it's going to open? I think it's going to open. You think it's going to open? Neil Williamson says he doesn't think it's going to open. Is a good choice for you to hedge risk to listen to what the president of the free enterprise forum says in this prop bet, a man that's got a lot of institutional knowledge, should you listen to Neil Williamson in our
Starting point is 00:58:48 prop bet? Possibly. That's if I agree to a prop bet. Do you think it's going to open or not for a 750 milliliter bottle of booze? Are you going to listen to Neil? I'm not agreeing to a prop bet, but I think it's going to open. So you're going to go against what Neil is saying? Are we going to prop bet?
Starting point is 00:59:10 No. Why aren't we going to prop bet? Because I don't feel strongly enough about this to risk it. You know you drink the booze when I drink it too. I know. I also think this is going to open. I think this is going to open because whether it opens or not, Tesla's on the hook for the lease.
Starting point is 00:59:34 Yeah. And I think Elon Musk is a, is it called a megalomaniac? I mean that is a word that could be used for Elon Musk. I'm not going to argue that. He epitomizes the dark triad. Do you know what the dark triad is in psychology? I could guess. Narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy. Psychopathy, well, psychopathy, thank you. I could be
Starting point is 01:00:17 pronouncing it wrong. He is the dark triad and it's his biggest strength and it's his biggest weakness. And what haters don't strength and it's his biggest weakness. And what haters don't realize, the people that are burning his vehicles do not realize, the people that are protesting his dealerships don't realize that this level of hate and protest and violence is pun intended, pun intended, fueling his fire and driving him. You think he gets off on this? He gets off on this. I know the personality type extremely well.
Starting point is 01:00:53 I know the personality type inside and out, the dark triad. He loves this, embraces it, it motivates him, It gets him up earlier in the morning. It drives him to levels of OCD, levels of 19-hour work days. He notoriously sleeps at work and not in his house. It drives him. I think that thing opens. Sandra McDaniel says she bets it will open. Bill McChesney says he has calls for him to resign from Tesla. That's not going to happen. Do you think it's going to open viewers and listeners? I think it's absolutely going. Yeah. Yeah. My reasoning is the same as yours. There's a
Starting point is 01:01:47 there's a lease in place. Well, regardless of the lease, it would make him look weak. Charlottesville? There's few things, there's few things Musk wants more than looking weak. Okay, but I seriously doubt that the Stonefield Gallery is even on his radar. I disagree. You disagree? I disagree. I think he is privy and aware of more
Starting point is 01:02:16 than we give him credit for. Because you're probably dealing with, and this is not me pro-Musk or me anti-Musk, you're dealing with someone that is probably on the autistic spectrum, on the genius IQ spectrum, on the dark triad spectrum, OCD spectrum. People of this level of high functionality
Starting point is 01:02:53 people at this level of high functionality are unique would be a nice way of putting it. All right it's the 137 marker on a glorious and gorgeous Thursday afternoon in our building in downtown Charlottesville. Next headlines, Judah Wichera, what do you have? Next up is the flipbook. Man, I'm gonna have to save this for tomorrow again. I didn't do it yesterday. I'm gonna do it again tomorrow. Save it again tomorrow. I promise you, I will talk about the University of Virginia's influence on the Ivy Road corridor. I promise you.
Starting point is 01:03:32 Their 20-some million dollar purchase of Ivy Square Shopping Center, where Foods of All Nations is located. What they've done to the old Cavalier Hotel, the Cavalier Inn, right there on the corner, caddy corner from the tennis courts, there used to be a hotel there. Data Science, Karsh Institute, their plans for building student housing for second years on Ivy Road, dropping 20 million dollars on Ivy Square. I will straight up tell you right now some of the most valuable real estate, the most valuable real estate in the city of Charlottesville, is a afterthought redheaded stepchild shopping center named the University Shopping Center, where the Papa John's is located,
Starting point is 01:04:39 where Tokyo Rose used to be located, where my favorite shop, the tennis shop owned by Lou Stevens is located. There's a nail salon there. There's a Chinese restaurant there. That eclectic and redheaded stepchild shopping center is office condos and they're owned by a handful of people. Hunter Craig's got a position in there.
Starting point is 01:05:06 That shopping center, most notably the dirt under the shopping center, some of the most valuable real estate in the city of Charlottesville, ladies and gentlemen. And no one could get control of it because they're office condos. And I know all about office condos as someone who owns the largest position of office condos in the building we're sitting in right now. Is the last headline Blake Buchanan and Day Day Ames?
Starting point is 01:05:43 Yep. Day Day Ames has entered the transfer portal. He has been on grounds for one year. He transferred from Kansas State, where he played basketball his freshman year. He played basketball his sophomore year this past season at UVA. He started the year off rough, but he
Starting point is 01:06:00 finished the year off strong. And in the second half of this campaign, Day-Day Ames was one of the best players on the roster. With Day-Day entering the transfer portal and Blake Buchanan, I assure you others will follow. It's like a game of dominoes. It's like a house of cards. This is why I highlighted that what Carla Williams in the athletic department did to Ron Sanchez where they treated the coach like a flat tire patch kit nothing more
Starting point is 01:06:31 than a stopgap that was used for their for their need for their desperation the players all saw that the players all saw that they're not dumb they were loyal to Sanchez they were loyal to Sanchez. They are loyal to Sanchez. And Sanchez was treated like doodoo on the bottom of your shoe, fired in a hotel room in Charlotte a couple hours after he loses to Georgia Tech in the ACC tournament.
Starting point is 01:07:01 They don't even let him get back to his house and his family and his kids. They don't even call him into the office of the boss to fire him face to face. They fire him when he's alone with his Samsonite suitcase in a hotel in another state after the season ended in disappointment, after they allowed him to go to a press conference after the game and have questions from the media, are you gonna be the coach next year? And he answers the question, yes I've done enough to coach this team next year. On the record, in the media, cameras and reporters and recorders in front of him. And then he leaves that press conference
Starting point is 01:07:45 to go pick up his Samsonite in his hotel when he's by himself and he finds out he's fired. And the players saw that. And the players are loyal to Sanchez. And they haven't even announced the new hoax. Even if they weren't loyal to Sanchez, they can see the disloyalty in the act. There it is, Julia Caron.
Starting point is 01:08:04 You're asking them to follow an honor code when there's no honor being shown from leadership? There it is. Come on. Come on. There it is. And the least strategic firing I've ever seen. Because Ryan Odom still has not been hired the VCU coach, who's linked to this job. And he hasn't been hired because his team is playing in the NCAA tournament and is still
Starting point is 01:08:30 alive. So he can't talk about going to UVA. The transfer portal opens on Monday. What happens if VCU goes on a run to the Sweet 16? I'm not saying they will, but we've seen VCU and Chaka Smart make the Final Four in the past. Carla Williams and the athletic department spit on Ron Sanchez. And they spit on Ron Sanchez when they didn't need to spit on Ron Sanchez.
Starting point is 01:08:56 They could have just kept him around as the coach until Ryan Odom's season was over and said Sanchez, off the record between you and I, you're probably not keeping your job, but you're under contract, and we'll even bonus you if you can keep guys from entering the transfer portal and leaving the show, leaving the ship, leaving the program. This is called not seeing the forest through the trees. And that's how we will close Thursday edition of the I Love Seville show. For Judah Wickauer, my name is Jerry Miller..

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