The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Fraternity Hazing Investigator Leaves UVA; Listen To Leaked Audio From UVA Investigator

Episode Date: October 1, 2024

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Good Tuesday afternoon, guys. I'm Jerry Miller. Thank you kindly for joining us on the I Love Seville Show. Great to connect with you on what we hope is the last rainy day here in Charlottesville, Albemarle County, and Central Virginia. Albemarle County Public Schools closed again. They were closed Friday. They Albemarle County Public Schools closed again. They were closed Friday. They were closed yesterday. They were closed today. So students in Albemarle County Public Schools have not been in a classroom since Thursday of last week.

Some parents are concerned that schools may not open tomorrow or may open in delayed capacity tomorrow. Time will most certainly tell. I had the opinion and commentary on yesterday's program that opening the school for those that could make it to the school, because a large percentage of the students, I put it at over 90% of the students were able to make it to Albemarle County Public Schools. And they should cater to the masses as opposed to having the few determine the outcome for the majority. What about teachers? If you want a commentary, you need to be on camera, please, sir. That way you're not just speaking off camera.

I'm happy to hear your thoughts over there. Teachers, I empathize for the teachers, the administrators, the bus drivers. I get it. But again, if we're allowing the reality for the very small minority to impact the outcome of the very large majority, then something is wrong there. Something is wrong there something is wrong there that's not what this is based on our country that's not how we run government that's not how we run local politics that's not how we run a lot of things here and Alamo County Public Schools you had less than 10% of

the students probably unable to make it to school and because of of that, 90% plus of the students are on the sidelines or in the hallway or in their houses, their bedrooms, on screens, on phones, parents scrambling for child care options or supervision for a third straight day. And then you bookend that with the weekend and you got a lot of parents throwing their arms up and saying, what the hell is going on?

Compounding the matter here, all the private schools in attendance on Friday, all the private schools in attendance on Monday, yesterday, all the private schools in attendance today, Tuesday, they did not miss a beat. What are the numbers of kids in the private schools, though, I would think that they might have a far easier time coordinating everybody getting to school. Private schools are not having buses whisking the kids to and from school. They're having individual parents drive them. Perhaps you can make an argument that's easier coordination. The private school kids in a lot of circumstances living further away from their schools. This isn't neighborhood schools like we see in Albemarle County Public Schools

or some of the elementary and middle schools. These are parents that are living further away from the private school that are busing, that are driving their kids to and from the school themselves. I know firsthand here. I know. And I would think that they would have an easier time both in organizing, making sure that most everybody makes it, and also they don't have to worry about buses. They don't have to worry about whether a bus is going to encounter a downed tree or a creek cutting across a road somewhere.

And I respect your opinion. And we're going to get to the topics and the rundown here shortly. I think in a circumstance like this, it should be up to the superintendent and his office, and they should say in a commentary release like they're doing on their Facebook page, if you can make it to school, school will be open. If you're concerned with safety with school,

then you will have an excused absence. But we are clearly seeing the small minority and their inability to potentially make it to school because of flooded roads or because, as you said, trees are in the middle of the road because of this rain that we've had of late, impacting the outcome of the very large majority. And this impacts not only students learning, but this impacts the moms and dads, the parents, scrambling to figure out supervision and child care for their kids. And this is a big deal.

This is a lot of parents that are either pulling vacation time or not going to work and not getting paid. Something for viewers and listeners to think about. A lot we're going to cover on today's program. If you want to put me on a one-shot, I'll weave you back in on a two. Last week we highlighted the Jefferson Council. The president of the Jefferson Council is going to join us on the I Love Seville show on Thursday. It is going to be a dynamic interview.

Thomas Neal, president of the Jefferson Council on the I Love Seville show from Baltimore, Maryland, digitally via Skype on the program. The Jefferson Council last week, we talked about on the show, we talked about on the show last week, based on a blog post on the Jefferson Council website, was holding students accountable in two different ways. And the Jefferson Council, the author, James Bacon, said, look at how students were highlighted in this pro-Palestine protest in May on grounds at the University of Virginia where they were eventually forgiven. They were exonerated. They were given a pass. And compare and contrast how they were highlighted with how some of the fraternities at the University of Virginia are being handled from an accountability standpoint with pledges and hazing. And the Jefferson Council highlighted an individual, Donovan Golich, an assistant director of accountability

with student affairs, investigating a Theta Chi first-year ROTC pledge, R-O-T-C pledge of Theta Chi. Interrogating, investigating, browbeating, blackmailing. I think it's all applicable here. This kid, a first year, an unsupervised first year, parents not in attendance, attorney not in attendance, no kind of representation to have his back in attendance. We now have the

leaked audio from this investigation. I frankly had it last week and I should have played it last week. I'm going to play it today on today's program because I think you, the viewer and listener, should hear what is happening. And I want you, the viewer and listener, to hear what is happening and ask yourself, what if this was your son or daughter being interrogated by an assistant director of accountability with student affairs at your son or daughter's respective university? An assistant director of accountability

that says in this leaked audio, has gone through law school, has worked for Commonwealth's attorney's offices, and if the young man does not give him what he wants, ratting on his brothers of Theta Chi, then he is going to report him to his commanding officer at ROTC, write him up on honor charges, report him to the Albemarle County Commonwealth's attorney,

report him to the Charlottesville Commonwealth's attorney, and call for him to be suspended and expelled from the University of Virginia. His scholarship revoked, and he's going to demand that the student pay back the scholarship that he had received up until this point at the University of Virginia. This is a crazy-effing story. And it's another story that further adds fuel to the fire at UVA of what is actually going on at Thomas Jefferson's University. We've had the UVA guide service suspended. Now the guide service under the purview, at least for now, of the admissions office. We had militarized state

police pepper spray students in May during a pro-Palestine protest that was otherwise peaceful. We've had 128 doctors with the University Physicians Group author three anonymous letters, the last that showed up in the Daily Progress. And I got a text this morning from a prized viewer and listener. I've dubbed him the fixer. And the fixer sends me this text at 8.12 a.m. The Daily Progress has jumped the shark, he texts me. I don't really know enough to have an opinion on Craig Kent, but the Daily Progress publishing what amounts to letters to the editor from anonymous individuals is malpractice. Even their editorial guidelines prohibit anonymous submissions. That's from the Fixer. We'll unpack if that letter that was published over the

week and anonymously should have made it in print into the paper of record for Charlottesville and Central Virginia. That story on today's program. We'll also talk about the judge, the retired Fairfax County judge that has partially struck down an update of Arlington County's zoning code. Sean Tubbs has reporting on this. He highlights an article from Arlington Now, a website that covers Arlington County. The judge, David Schell, ruled against Arlington on four counts and found that Arlington County did not do enough to consider the potential impacts of higher residential density. Again, excellent reporting on Tubbs of this. A similar case is being made here in Charlottesville with the new zoning ordinance. Interestingly,

four judges in Arlington County recused themselves for offering their opinion on this case because they were too close to the matter. In Charlottesville, Circuit Court Judge Claude Worrell has not recused himself despite living in city limits. A lot to unpack on that story. As a reminder, last week we did a crowdsourced show on the oldest and longest running businesses in the Charlottesville area. How many entries on that list? Oh, man. I think we're up to 30-something. And more are coming in, as viewers and listeners and readers suggest them. You can find that list

on iloveseville.com. Leave it in the hero slot, Judah, for people to see. It's fantastic content aggregated by Judah Wickauer, the jack of all trades, the jack of all wits. One programming note, two programming notes. Thursday, the

president of the Jefferson Council on this show. So much to interview with Thomas Neal. So much to talk about with Thomas Neal in that interview. And next week, I'm on vacation with the family. Jude is on vacation with his family. He's heading to the Outer Banks. My family and I got some fun planned as well.

So no programming for the I Love Seville Network Monday of next week to Friday of next week, but we will be back in the saddle with regular scheduled programming on Monday, October 14th. All right, Judah B. Wickhammer, we'll give some love to Mexicali Restaurant, West Main Street, Mexicali,

and the Flats Building, the Old World of Beer location. 50 parking spots on site in the Flats Building. Johnny Arnalis, River Hawkins, big ups to those boys, creating a restaurant that's art museum, cocktail bar, music venue, and Latin fusion cuisine. I mean, it is absolutely dynamite. A playground on site, Mexicali Restaurant, guys. River Hawkins and Johnny Ornelas.

Judah Wickauer on a two-shot. He's going back, Judah Wickauer, and having the back of students today. He says, give them all the snow days they want. Give them all the rain days they want. Keep them from learning and keep them on screens at their house, even though their parents have to make a living at a 9 to 5. Screw the parents.

Keep the kids at home. Obviously, that was a little hyperbole. I went to bat for the parents who said, what are we supposed to do here? We have jobs. The kids need to go to school. The parents are expected to go to their jobs. The employers aren't saying to the parents, oh, we got some rain, don't show up to work. You don't have to work today.

All the employees are saying come into work. There's no rain days for moms and dads trying to make a living at a 9 to 5 or a 12-hour shift. But the kids get them. And I'm going to catch some heat on this. Like former Mayor Mike Signer got some heat about the snow days when he said put the kids in school or at least on a snow day have them learning on a tablet at home you have the infrastructure you did it during COVID in the pandemic for the kids to learn remotely through a screen and through the internet and an internet service provider why are we disregarding all that infrastructure that we use to make it through the pandemic?

I'll catch heat for that. Top story of the program. I mean, if one day, and this is just in regards to the learning on a snow or a rain day. And this is also coming from a man that does not have any kids here. Go ahead.

This is also coming from a man who enjoyed snow days in school. I mean, if one day is the... It's been three straight days with the rain. If three days is

enough to ruin your child's year at school in terms of learning, I think that there's a larger problem at heart. It's been three straight days in the first month of school. And it's been three straight days in the first month of school for Albemarle County Public Schools when all the private schools were in session.

Okay. That creates educational gaps. Okay. First creates educational gaps. Okay. First month of school. But that's not the lead of today's show. The lead of today's show is a heavy-handed University of Virginia hazing investigator utilizing some of the most abrasive blackmailing tactics to investigate a pledge of the Theta Chi fraternity

that recently had its fraternity charter suspended. The pledge, an audio leaked recording, is heard being blackmailed, bullied, threatened, extorted, cussed at by an administrator that has now stepped down from his post at the University of Virginia. His name, Donovan Golich, the Assistant Director of Accountability with Student Affairs. His job to handle and manage hazing in accountability at UVA. We have audio recording from the Jefferson Council. Remember the president of the Jefferson Council on the I Love Seville

Show Thursday at 1230. This topic will come up. This is about nine minutes long. I want to play it from start to finish because it goes from terrible to even worse at the end of the nine minutes. And before we hit play, I'll count you in when I want you to play this. Viewers and listeners, I want you, and make sure you're rotating the lower thirds on screen here, J-Dubs. I want you to ask yourself this question. What if this was your son or daughter that was being interrogated by this man

who openly in the audio recording said, I went to law school. I'm smarter than you. I've worked for Commonwealth's attorney's offices. I've dealt with killers. I've dealt with people that have assaulted other people. You are a peasant compared to them. You are weak compared to them. I'm much smarter than you. Says it in the audio recording. All right, get that sound ready to go because I think moms and dads, viewers and listeners of our Fine and Fair talk show are going to be like, how in God's name is this happening? And then we're going to add this to the compounded issue that the University of Virginia has gone through

in the last 18 months from public relations nightmares. Judah in three, in two, in one, let's queue it up I'm going to be very blunt with you. You're in ROTC. The information that I have is something I can give to your commanding officer and I will based on what we have already corroborated so I don't like doing that but I'll tell you at a previous institution I worked at, when I did that, they were discharged from ROTC after that came to light. I don't say that lightly for you, because I understand you have more collateral impacts

than other people do, especially if you have a scholarship with them and they're paying for your school. You would have to usually pay it back. And also, you're subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice as well, which has completely different standards than criminal law in a civilian context. Here's the other thing. I've already typed up an honor case referral for you, and I'm going to tell you why. We have your questionnaire here, and you answered no to a lot of questions and then specifically

with the chores you responded yes volunteer you had your answer but ironically most if not all new members had the same responses including the statement that was made in the free response question. Your commanding officer copied on the bottom. I can rip this up and make it go away for you. I can't necessarily make it go away for other new members at this point or other active members at this point. They might be too far gone at this point. Elizabeth and I just sent 35 members of another chapter to UJC. We're also sending another 15 new members to honor potentially. That's not something we like to do. Ten of them were graduating this semester.

That's really, really bad. You have the opportunity now to avoid that. And people in the other chapter thought I was bullshitting them. I was not. They were terminated from the campus and all of them were sent to UJC. They all had to hire lawyers. All of them needed, you know, different types of representation. Their parents came down. Elizabeth and I have been meeting with them for the past week about all this. I don't want to do that with you. But we've got to stop the funny business and we have to start

having real conversations. This is the time to just be smart and think about yourself and your future. I really don't want to send people, especially you, and I am going to single you out here, as well as one of your other brothers that I believe is in ROTC. This will be tough for you in my experience. The thing that someone did, I worked at Ohio State, that's where I went to school, that was the first student conduct job I had. What the cadet did was relatively minor and they got discharged. So here are the allegations we've confirmed. New members were coerced or required to engage in lineups in the chapter house. During such

lineups, new members were quizzed on fraternity and biographical information regarding members and were punished for answering questions incorrectly by having to perform calisthenics, which included push-ups, wall sits, bows and toes, and squats. New members had to consume various food and non-food items, including habanero peppers and a heinous mixture of unknown items. New members vomited, were physically fatigued, and in some cases injured. New members were ridiculed, screamed at, or otherwise verbally harassed. New members were confined to remain in certain spaces in the chapter house.

New members had to wear a costume associated with the pointless role they were assigned. New members were coerced or required to consume various food and non-food items outside of the context of lineups. New members were coerced or required to engage in pointless tasks and embarrassing activities. This included carrying a pledge pack, which included cigarettes and condoms. New members were assigned a pointless role by active members. New members were forced or required to engage in personal acts of servitude. This included new members cleaning the entire chapter house. New members running errands were offering favors to active members,

including taking them to certain places or picking up food for them. Additionally, it is alleged that Theta Chi further engaged in the following behavior, active and new members misled the university in relation to this investigation. I'm just here to kind of clear your name. That's really what we're here to do, give you that chance so you don't throw your ROTC career potentially away or at least put

yourself at risk of that being the case. So let's be brutally honest here. Do you think you could do that? Okay. So let's walk through the first part about lineups. The quizzing of information. Tell us more about that. I've never been quizzed on information, but the frat, like, it's part of the Resolute Journey that, you know, they want you to learn the creed. And I want to learn the creed too. I mean, I learn from people and like, it's, yeah, it's part of the Brotherhood and I like it's yeah it's the part of the both and I want to be connected

to the brotherhood so I have like honestly I've kind of been slacking compared to other people because I've been trying to balance ROTC a frat and then also school and also have like a social life outside of the frat so I've missed the time though a ton of like me to do uh like chapter meetings andrew stop we are beyond the point of putting on the show i also know you guys have been coached on what to say during these meetings you all say a very similar thing that's not normal we say a similar thing probably because no it's not probably because that's what happens that's not normal everyone has a different ways and ways about going about their words and how they say

things you guys are saying things almost to the t you are picking the wrong path right now you are picking the wrong path i'm not bullshitting you. This is your, it's already typed up. I have your, what is it, your commanding officer of Naval ROTC copied on this. I don't care. I will submit it to him. Because you will need to learn a hard lesson. You're naive still. You're young. Maybe perhaps you do, maybe you're not cut out to be in the Navy. Is that what that, no seriously. The Commonwealth's attorney was notified about this behavior such that a police investigation is probably going to be ensuing very soon. So that's already going to probably put you in some hot water with Naval ROTC because you're going to be the subject of a police investigation this is not helping because you're going to be adding one your honor charges two

i might even add obstruction of the student conduct system with ujc so you'll have to go to two boards because i can do that too i just think it's kind of odd maybe made my stories just completely different than some of the other kids no it's not it's not I really just I don't show up at the frat a lot I was assuming that's why I was the last person to get my old blood that's an easy alibi that's an easy alibi that a lot of people have tried to take a lot of people have tried to take you're not special well the alibi is true i i'm on the operation smile clip here i'm in the rtc this stuff happened i don't understand if you like i'm not bullshitting you. I don't care. I will send you to honor, and I will sleep at night just fine, even if it has harsh consequences for you, because I know that, guess what, I held someone accountable,

and they're going to learn a life lesson. You don't need to be that person. You don't need to be the tough guy. I'm just going to send you to honor, because I don't want to waste my time anymore with you. I'm just gonna send you to honor because I don't want to waste my time anymore with you. I'm gonna be honest. I already have your written responses in a questionnaire. I already have evidence proving that several people have corroborated what have occurred which is different from what

you wrote. So you can go with the honor committee and see what they think about you because I'm done with people like you. I don't fuck around. You think your ROTC commander's tough? Guess what? You guys just met your match. I'm going to ask for a suspension of you probably. That will be my making amends with you because I seriously don't want you on grounds. I think you are a threat to the health and safety of other people on this campus with how you act, so my amends are going to be temporary removal from grounds. That's what I'm going to ask for and I'm going to ask for that for several other people. I went to law school. I'm a little bit more trained and learned than a lot of you guys.

I know what I'm doing. I've worked for two prosecuting attorneys. This is nothing. I've dealt with people who were dealing with aggravated assault, someone who killed someone. This is nothing to me. This is easy. And you guys have so many tells. This is, I'm looking at this as if it was one of our sons in this position. And heavy handed is a, not even a fair way to describe what just happened there. That is, that is, that is bullying. That is intimidation. that is blackmail. It's also just arrogant. That is aggressive.

Judah said arrogant. That is nauseating, insulting. The man behind that leaked audio no longer, according to an article in today's Cavalier Daily, Cavalier Daily doing damn good reporting again, the student newspaper at the University of Virginia, they report that Donovan Golich no longer is employed by the University of Virginia. This in very short order, his departure from UVA after this audio recording was leaked by the Jefferson Council. I have a number of questions about this that I'll just ask on air and I don't have the answers to all these questions. Who recorded the audio?

I would imagine the person who recorded the audio was the savvy and sophisticated ROTC student who was being interrogated and investigated. And if it was the savvy and sophisticated ROTC student who was being interrogated and investigated, it looks like to me that Donovan Golich was not the smartest guy in the room. And it looks like the ROTC student was the smartest guy in the room. Now, in regards to the hazing at Theta Chi, what Donovan Golich rattled off, the former Associate Director of Accountability and Policy Accountability and Critical Events Unit of Student Affairs, that's his title, that's a mouthful of a title. Basically, he was the the student admin police hazing guy

okay this is what he rattled off wall sits, push ups bows and toes having to wear embarrassing costume having to carry a pledge pack around having to eat

habanero peppers having to carry a pledge pack around, having to eat habanero peppers, having to do things for the brothers, having to recite and memorize facts about a fraternity, give me an effing break, having to exercise to exhaustion. If that is hazing, then every athlete that is a member of a varsity sports team at the University of Virginia right now is going through hazing. Every athlete, football,

basketball, baseball, tennis, wrestling, swimming, squash, you name it, is going through having to recite rules and regulations and important aspects of their program. Is exercising to exhaustion. Is doing push-ups, sit-ups, wall sets, bows and toes. Probably not being forced to eat heinous habanero. Habanero peppers? heinous habanero. Habanero peppers? Heinous habanero peppers? I mean, give me a break.

This is the softest time of American history. And I said it last week. When I was pledging the fraternity Phi Kappa Psi at the University of Virginia, the stuff we had to do was exponentially more challenging. And I'm a father today. We have two sons. Maybe one of our sons goes to the University of Virginia like my brother did, like I did, like my dad did. Maybe that's the case. Maybe they pledge Phi Kappa Psi if fraternities are still around. It looks like individuals like Donovan Golich and perhaps Jim Ryan's administration don't want fraternities around at UVA. But should they choose to attend UVA, our sons goofy costumes, and having to carry pledge packs around,

and having to recite the creed of the fraternity, and eating some habanero peppers, I would say to our boys, buck up, dude. Toughen up. You know what we did in my day? Eat the pepper, dog. I mean, give me a break.

And any parent that was listening to that leaked audio recording, any parent, I want you to put yourself in the shoes of that ROTC student's parent. If you're the parent of that ROTC student, what are you thinking about right now? What are you doing right now? Are you contacting your lawyer? Are you contacting the University of Virginia administration? Are you yourself the ones that leaked the audio recording to the

Jefferson Council? And then we'll take it a step further. The last 18 months, the last 24 months, and this is coming from a guy who bleeds orange and blue. I bleed effing orange and blue. Nothing I'd rather do than go to football and basketball games and watch squash and walk around grounds. Nothing I'd rather do. But the last 18 to 24 months at the University of Virginia have been a public relations nightmare.

Yeah, no doubt. You've got the May protests, pro-Palestine peace that ends up in pepper spraying, debacle. You've got 128 university physicians writing three anonymous letters, the last one disparaging the president. And we'll get to that letter

and whether it should have been published in the Daily Progress or not. Anonymous letters go against what is allowed to be published editorial-wise or letters to the editor-wise and the paper of record for our community. You've got a university guide service that's been suspended, now has to report to the admissions office

and has to toe the company line with what it's offering commentary-wise to prospective students and their parents. You have an investigation as it applies to the murder of three football players, and this is where Judah's going to bristle. An investigation, the audit report that should have been released to the community that has not been released. You got who ordered the militarized state police to pepper spray the kids. Was it Ryan or who wasn't?

You got the Board of Visitors squabbling on the record. What are they doing off the record at BOV meetings? Now this? Come on now. Come on now. Come on now. Kevin Higgins calls the guy

a psychopath who was doing that investigation. He said, if he talked to either of my kids that way, I'd have to apologize for missing your show for the next 25 years. It was, uh, he,

he definitely seems to have a chip on his shoulder over, uh, I mean, a vendetta. If he's the guy that's in charge of, uh, of looking into hazing, I mean,

it seems very personal. It seems extremely personal. And the same guy is managing the forgiveness of those with the pro-Palestine protest. John Blair, I'm not familiar with Greek life or governance, so here's a question for you. Why does UVA have any role in fraternities?

My limited understanding is that in order for fraternities to recruit on grounds, the university has a role. Why don't these groups just privatize and have no involvement with UVA? In this day and age, with the internet, phones, et cetera, I think kids will search out and find fraternities, sororities, if they want to join without the groups having to recruit on grounds. Maybe I'm missing something here, and I am happy to hear a more informed opinion analysis,

but it seems to me that the group should be private and have no official presence on grounds. I will say this. As someone who knows Phi Kappa Psi, the house at the end of the Madball on Rugby Road, it's an entity tied to the brotherhood at Phi Psi that owns the house. And there's a board of directors

that calls the shots of what's happening with the house and the house budget. It's not the university that owns the house. And interestingly... That's often the case with uh with fraternities 100 100 and interestingly when suspending the uh fraternity the fraternal order with feta chi part of that suspension said the brothers can't even indirectly get together for parties or any kind of recruitment um-togethers off-grounds.

They literally highlight what these guys can't do on their own time, away from UVA, off-grounds that the university owns, which is the absurdity of this all. And that seems nearly impossible to uphold. Impossible to uphold? How would they, what are they, Big Brother policing these guys with flying drones and tracking their IPs? And if a bunch of IPs from Theta Chi get together at one location on 14th Street, Donovan Golich and his cronies are going to raid them?

Like, Big Brother, give me an effing break. I can see Golich in that picture of the guy with the board where he's pointing out all the connections. Yeah. And this guy's got like a group of people following fraternity brothers around, taking pictures of who they're meeting with. Like the mafia board, the mafia family tree. Tony Soprano with the head over there. Under Tony Soprano, you've got Paulie Walnuts. You've got Syl right under Tony as well as his number two. Paulie Walnuts right next to him.

Christopher Moltisanti over there. Big Puss right next to him. Bobby Baklava next to him. The Departed and Dead Jr. right below below that give me an effing break Donovan Ginny Hu watching the program I think this abuse of adult power happens more than you know with teens, young adults

two of my children have had authority figures issue empty threats to them not at this heinous level but still inappropriate thankfully my kids knew they had done nothing wrong and had the tools to handle the situation. Ginny Hu also says, this guy deserves more than simply having to step down,

and the young man being interrogated deserves praise for keeping his cool and responding appropriately. What responsible adult in such a position is dropping the F-bomb with a student? Completely unprofessional in so many ways. Those exercises would be cake for a ROTC student as well. Also, is it hazing if a history professor makes you memorize facts? If so, I'm guilty. Great question. Great point from her. Here's a better question. Going through that interrogation, was it Golich that was hazing the ROTC student? Was that nine minutes in that interrogation more demeaning than the month and a half, two months he had of pledgeship? a little far. No, I'm asking a sincere question. I'm going to threaten you. I'm going to pull your scholarship.

I'm going to say you're going to have to pay the money back for the time you were on here. I'm going to report you to the Commonwealth's attorney. I'm going to report you to the one in the city, the one in the county. We're going to take you to honor code. I'm personally going to track and make sure you stay suspended. I went to law school. I'm smarter than you. I dealt with

murderers and folks that have assaulted. You got nothing on me, Holmes. Give me a break. If that was my kid, come on. I think a lot of people are saying if that was my kid, the school would be getting more than just an earful. Neil Williamson shares a story from March of 2024 from NBC News. The University of Maryland suspends fraternities and sororities pending investigation. The suspension applies to all

organizations affiliated with the College Park campus, the Intrafraternity Council, and Penn Hellenic Council, which represent 21 fraternities and 16 sororities. And I'll get off the topic with this. Viewers and listeners of our Fine and Fair talk show, there is a large fraction, and I'm going to deep throat next, there is a large fraction, faction,

there's a large effing group, how's that? There's a large portion of the University of Virginia administrative-wise, that wants fraternities and sororities eviscerated. Eviscerated. And he was clearly one of them. And that dude's clearly one of them. Interestingly, ties to Ohio State.

Who else has ties to Ohio State that's in the crossfire? Craig Kent. Not saying they're linked by any means, just a hell of a coincidence. Deep Throat. He says this. To John Blair's point, that is exactly what Harvard's final clubs and fraternities have done. They are private. And the university eventually still went after them, tried to pass a rule that said you could not apply for fellowships unless you certified you were not a member of a single-sex social organization.

But then a Supreme Court case called into question whether this case was legal, and Harvard dropped the effort. And the policing point you are making, the Harvard students and alums were made, alums made the same point. It was a public relations catastrophe for Harvard. Part of the suspension of their charter was you, the brothers, can't even get together at an off-grounds house and fraternize or socialize. I don't see how that's upholdable.

That is the absolute most absurd reach of power. Yeah. What is going on with decision making at the university? We'll talk about this on Thursday at 12.30pm on the I Love Seville

show with Thomas Neal, the president of the Jefferson Council. Like if you showed up at a party that Seville show with Thomas Neal, the president of the Jefferson Council. If you showed up at a party that someone that used to be in your fraternity was at, are you then in danger of getting

expelled or pulled before the UGC? Great question. Under this suspension of the fraternal order, I guess you are. That's crazy. Deep Throat also says this. Virginia's one-party consent state, so he would be allowed to record it. If the recording is a standard practice of the investigative office,

that is crazy that he would record this and think it would not look terrible. No doubt. And here he also says, so here's my thought. The ROTC kid consulted a lawyer before this meeting. Lawyer said VA is a one-party state. Record it. Then they leak it. Smart. Yeah. All right. It's the 120 marker of the show, and we've got more content we've got to get to. Let's get to the daily progress headline next.

Yeah. All right. This is from The Fixer, a viewer and listener of our Fine and Fair talk show. I'll read the text he sent me at 8.12 in the morning again. The daily progress, he says, jump the shark. I don't really know enough to have an opinion on Craig Kent, the CEO of UVA Health, but the Daily Progress publishing what amounts to letters to the editor from anonymous individuals is malpractice.

Even their editorial guidelines prohibit anonymous submissions. He then goes on to say a couple of other things, but I'm not going to read those other ones. I'm going to ask you this question, Judah Wickauer. progress error by publishing on Saturday this past weekend an anonymous letter authored by 128 members of the University Physicians Group, a letter that disparaged Jim Ryan and a letter that indirectly, without naming him, but very directly, attacked local luminary Bill Crutchfield. Did the progress err? This is a tough one. I think he's got some good points, points that I didn't know about.

At the same time, I feel that making the letter available is part of their job as a reporting agency. So I'm kind of divided on how I feel about it. I'm certainly glad that somebody posted the letter. Okay, a follow-up. Letters to the editor or an editorial written by a party not tied to the editor can make it into print of the daily progress, and if they refuse because there's no byline or author or because it's anonymous, then someone can say, well, you allowed this one. You have to allow mine.

That's a good point. That's the point the fixer is making. Yeah. And the fixer calls it malpractice to publish this letter. Would that have been the same response if they had posted it not as an opinion piece,

but as somebody... It was basically a letter to the editor. You call it an editorial, you call it a letter to the editor. The same rules are you have to have a name attached to it. That's fair. Did the progress air viewers and listeners?

Interesting question. Yeah. I'm torn on this because the message has to get out. I agree. The message has to get out. I agree. The message has to get out. And their essentially attack on the president, Jim Ryan,

characterizes how split this university is right now. Especially atop the totem pole. Especially with how it's managing public relations crises. It's just not doing a great job of it.

No, definitely not. In 2024, the interesting thing about 2024, this digital society, connected society, is these 128 physicians, and I'm going to offer them pro bono advice. I hope it gets to them. They should probably create some kind of digital entity or digital brand. Look at what the Jefferson Council is doing with driving the narrative. Look at what Livable Charlottesville

is doing with driving the narrative. Look at what Sean Tubbs has done with driving the narrative. Look at what Molly Cogner has done with driving the narrative. Look at what the Citizens for Responsible Planning have done with driving the narrative. Look at what Isla Seville has done with driving the narrative. You take your content, you archive it on a platform, and it doesn't have to be that slick. CFRP, viewers and listeners of that fine and fair organization

listening to the show now, they do a phenomenal job creating content, fantastic job creating content, fantastic job of spotlighting data and trends. They're spotlighting content, data, and trends on a brand and digital infrastructure that is not the most buttoned up. But it's still driving the narrative.

It may not look the slickest, but it still drives the narrative. Molly Cogner is using Twitter. Twitter. Her politics are vehemently opposed, astronomically opposed, exponentially opposed to the owner of Twitter, Elon Musk politics. Molly Cogner would probably describe herself as what? I mean, she does describe herself as socialist. Socialist dog mom.

Actively talks about life with her partner on Twitter. The owner of the platform she's utilizing to drive her content's reach and to monetize her Patreon, has disparaged homosexuality, and is completely in contradiction to what a socialist stands for. But she's still using the platform to get her content out and drive the narrative. My advice to the 128 doctors is to, A, I've said this from day one, it's about time to put the name.

If you're going to walk the walk, you've got to talk the talk. And they're walking the walk right now. Talking about a lot of people that might be looking for jobs soon. Maybe they're talking the talk, but they're not walking the walk because they're not authoring what they're talking about. Maybe that's a better phrase. They're talking the talk, but not truly walking the walk because they're not authoring what they're talking about.

And it's time to do it. if 128 get terminated or miss promotions that is a story an even next level story there's not a chance on H-E-double hockey sticks

that Kent and Kibbe would go after that 128 with this kind of leverage? I don't actually think that they would all be fired, but I would be extremely surprised if they did not all have retaliatory actions taken against them. What are they going to do? You could say that, but... Take their latex gloves away? Make them work the night shift?

The holidays? And obviously I'm doing this with... I shouldn't kid about this. They're highlighting acts just like what we're discussing now that have gone unreported and continue to this day, apparently. So I think there's every possibility that they will face retaliation if their names come out.

And it won't necessarily be as visible as 128 people getting fired on the same day. And I'm not saying that makes it right that they're not giving their names. It's time to author. It's time to author what they're writing. It's time to say who's behind what they're writing. And once they say who's behind what they're writing, watch what happens to this story.

It will have the impact. Their efforts will have the impact they want. Right now, their efforts are not having the impact they want because there is no names attached with the effort. So it's just being categorized as, oh, that anonymous group over there. Jim Ryan tried to do it. It's not had the impact they wanted. I don't know if I agree with you that the impact is going to be so much. Dude, if it's the heavy hitters that are behind this,

which I'm being told it is the heavy hitters that are behind this, heavy hitters are a part of this. Some of these heavy hitters have cl behind this. Heavy hitters are a part of this. Some of these heavy hitters have cloud in this community that is far more significant than the CEO of UVA Health. And it's because they've been in this community longer than the CEO of UVA Health. Okay, but what's that? If some of the people that I've been told

that are a part of this 128, you're talking about folks that are pillars of the community. That doesn't magically mean that something is going to all of a sudden be done. It will drive. I know it'll push the momentum to a different echelon. It will legit better work. Like you just said, it will legitimize the effort even more. I agree.

I don't necessarily think that means that UVA is going to change their response or do more to get to the bottom of this, considering the fact that they've just accused Jim Ryan of knowing about this whole thing and coming out with statements basically saying, oh, it's just a bunch of disgruntled employees. Well, we will agree to disagree on this. Because the tactic Ryan is taking is dismiss and marginalize. Yeah.

Chalk it up to sour grapes is the tactic he's using. I don't necessarily think he's going to change that tactic if the names came out. If the names came out and they were longstanding pillars, tenured pillars, that tactic could not be used.

Why not? Because they have a longer tenure at the university than Ryan himself. Doesn't mean that they're not disgruntled. Agree to disagree on this one. Ginny Hu makes the point with the Fate of Kai story,

they lost their fraternal order. It was suspended to 2028-2029 at the absolute earliest for reinstatement. She says, what if some of those upperclassmen were already living in an off-grounds house or apartment with two or three of their brothers? I did that.

Absolutely very well could happen. Do they now have to move out? Right. Do they have to separate from each other? Absurd. I don't even recognize the university anymore. Next headline. Is this the Arlington County one? This is an interesting one. Yeah. Judge strikes down new Arlington County zoning update. A retired judge. Seanbs good retort reporting on this a retired Fairfax County judge has partially struck down an update of

Arlington County zoning code that allowed for increased residential development in areas that have been reserved for single-family houses his name judge David shell he ruled against for against Arlington on four counts and found the county did not do enough to consider the potential impacts of higher density, residential density. This same argument, almost similar argument, is being made in Charlottesville's new, in Charlottesville Circuit Court

by a group of plaintiffs who want Charlottesville Circuit Court Judge Claude Worrell to hold a trial on their claims. Listen to this. You'll appreciate this. Deep throat offering some perspective here. Worrell's problem, and remember, Worrell lives in the city of Charlottesville as a homeowner. Yeah, and has not recused himself. He has not recused himself. Like four judges in Arlington County recused themselves because they thought they were too close to it. Deep Throat's words via DM,

Worrell's problem is not just that he owns property in the city. It is also that his wife is an activist. She is on the Human Rights Commission and was a signer on a letter to counsel advocating for the passage of the new zoning ordinance. Ooh. letter to counsel advocating for the passage of the new zoning ordinance. He says it's insane that he has not recused himself. Yeah. And then he highlights that he created problems by not recusing himself from

some of the unite the right rally cases. He was on the scene when the riots happened, called police himself. Ultimately one of the defendants motioned for his recusal and he finally recused. Huh. Oh, man. Arlington County is considering,

according to the reporting, pursuing a different approach to the new zoning ordinance that still would allow the density. Curious to see how this impacts the city of Charlottesville. Very curious to see how this impacts the city of Charlottesville. Excellent reporting by Sean Tubbs on this. Definitely.

Any other topics on the show? What's it, the programming notes? I think so, yeah. Thursday's interview is going to be dynamite. Businesses, Jefferson Council President. Jefferson Council President on the show Thursday, 12.30pm. Put it on your calendar right now. It's going to be a fantastic I Love Seville

show. Tomorrow, Alex Witten and Nick Bell are our guests. Alex Witten and Nick Bell will spend the entire hour on Thursday with Thomas Neal, the President of the Jefferson Council. Lastly, I Love Seville

Network off air next week, Monday through Friday. Judah Wittkower is spending time with his family in the Outer Banks. I'm spending time with my family away from Judah Wittkower. Judah said, thank the Lord. We're back on air with our regular scheduled programming on the 14th Monday, but we are in the saddles and on air the rest of this week. For Judah Wickhauer, my name is Jerry Miller. So long, everybody. Undertexter från Amara.org-gemenskapen Thank you.