The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Highlights/Lowlights From The CVille City Council Meeting; Roscoe, Zyahna Bryant & Don Gathers Speak

Episode Date: July 24, 2026

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Welcome to the I Love Sevo Show, guys. This is the last show of the week. My name is Jerry Miller. Good Friday afternoon to you and thank you kindly for joining us in the water cooler of content and conversation. Great show lined up for you. We will play highlights and low lights from this week's Charlottesville City Council meeting. Boy, oh boy, was it a doozy? One of the gentleman who spoke during the public comment portion of the Charlottesville City Council meeting

is in the short list for the best piece of content. that I've seen this year, I'm drawn to blank viewers and listeners and help me in crowdsource capacity. Help me answer this question. Before we went on vacation earlier this month, actually it was in June, I showed a video of somebody that was, I think, calling people out in a meeting my wife is saying that I said was the best piece of content that I have seen this year. Do you remember what that content was? I'd love to create a short list of the best content of 2026.

Oh, I know what it was. It was Don Gathers. Hank Martin just said it. That's right. You're right, sweetheart. Judah's right. Hank Martin, you just brought it to our attention. Hank Martin props to you.

Hantam Hank Martin's photo on screen. Don Gathers changing your shirt because you crapped your pants. Don Gathers. I hope Don Gathers is watching the program. Don, sweetheart. You're exactly right. Good call. Do you have that video? I'm sure I do. If you have that video, we might have to play it today. I want to create a running list. In fact, create a new list, if you can, on your laptop there.

Don't do it on the Mac. Do it on your laptop. The list, the headline, best content of 2026. Best content of 2026. Number one on the list would be Don Gathers, change your shirt, crap your pants. Don Gathers, change your shirt, crap your pants. We have a piece of content viewers and listeners that we will air today that very well could compete with the Don Gathers' fantastic three minutes from June. where we told, called out city council members for their decision making and their vote to allow the mark luxury student housing and Fifeville. Don, you're watching the program. That was one of the best pieces of content I've ever seen in my entire life, sir.

I sincerely mean that. I respect your commitment to this community and your commitment to civic duty and activism. We may not always agree, but, sir, I respect your commitment and passion for Charlottesville. and what you stand for. I sincerely mean that. I sincerely mean that. We're going to play three clips from city council's meeting this week. One of those clips also features the illustrious and household name that is Don Gathers. We're also going to play Zionne Bryant, the Charlottesville School Board member.

There's got to be some kind of conflict of interest of a Charlottesville School Board member. Charlottesville School Board member verbally attacking. and verbally assaulting Charlottesville City Council members, the same council members who allocate the budget to the Charlottesville School Board that Zayanna Bryant is on. Very interesting dynamic there. The first clip we will play, however, is a gentleman that only goes by one name. Roscoe, very much like Pele. Rosco is a one-named individual, and Roscoe is the self-proclaimed creator of Tentown,

and Roscoe is the self-proclaimed spokesman for the homeless population. He offers three minutes of content that is must-watch television. We will play that for you, the viewer and listener, on the I Love Seville show today. I also want to break down the sale of Fifth Street Station, $117 million. We broke that news for you yesterday on the show. I would imagine that print, radio, and television are currently asking its reporters to not only cover the sale of Fifth Street Station for $117 million, which we broke yesterday. Bridge 3 Capital purchased it on July 17th.

If you remember earlier in the week, we broke the news about, about the Holiday Inn on Fifth Street extended sold. So I want you to understand what's happening here. Hear me out, viewers and listeners. In about a one-month period of time, the Wawa Ground Lease was sold. Corrin Capshaw and his team exited ownership of the Wawa Ground Lease

as Charlottesville Parking Tsar Mark Brown 1031 exchanged into the Wawa-Wa-G round lease. That's at the 5th Street extended at the entrance to the Wegman Shopping Center. Then the Holiday Inn, 132-room hotel cells, is sold. And then, shortly thereafter, 5th Street Station is sold. In about a month period of time, you've seen, what about $150 million of deal flow with commercial properties that are adjacent to each other in a 30 to 45 day period of time three transactions totaling roughly 150 million dollars

have closed and been recorded today we will break down the sale of fifth street station on the i love seville show i'm curious of who got the better part of the deal? Who won this deal? I'm going to try to unpack this with the little help of my friends, as the Beatles will say, a little help of my friends. And I'm calling all cars here, specifically calling friends Deep Throat and John Blair to assist on this. Both Deep Throat and John Blair sophisticated on this topic as we crowdsource ideas for you. We're also going to discuss on the show today the best shopping centers locally. Is Fifth Street? Is Fifth Street? station a top five shopping center in the Charlottesville area?

I have a question for you, the viewers in this. Is Fifth Street station a top five shopping center? Is it, I sincerely, I'm asking that question. I mean, number one is Barracks Road Shopping Center. It's clear-cut number one, right? Number two, you'd say the shops of Stonefield, right? Probably. Number three, do you call, can you call the corner, the UVA corner, a shopping center?

a shopping district? Do I call the corner three? I'd say that's probably three. What's for? Is it the Rio Hill Shopping Center that recently sold? Ryo Hill Shopping Center? There's a Kroger over there. There's a five below, right? There's an ABC store. Yeah. At the Kroger's a Kroger Super Center. Is that in the four slot? What's in the five slot? I would not put the downtown mall in the five slot. What's, what are the top five shopping district? I want to unpack that on the show today, and we're also going to discuss the school board meeting that's been called. Is it Tuesday at 10 a.m.? I think so.

Amar County School Board, a surprise meeting Tuesday at 10 a.m. Judah? I'm looking. Why do this on a workday at 10 a.m.? If you don't have something to hide or if you want true transparency, surprise. meetings that are special meetings that are called on short notice that are discussing topic like child sexual assault on grounds at public elementary schools these meetings should be hosted after the work day and not at 10 a.m. I mean, do you not agree with me? A meeting that is hosted on a workday in the morning is strategically planned to limit engagement and the collateral damage from said engagement,

participation, and attendance from the public, Judah? There's one set for August 4th at 10 a.m. at the Albemarle County office building. That would be two Tuesdays from now. All right. Adjust that headline to, to what? Tuesday, August, and you can change Tuesday to 8 slash 4. If you could, please, sir. Alpco School Board to meet 8-4 comma 10 a.m. The 10 a.m. is just makes no sense to me. Lauren and Ivy is ranking the shopping centers locally.

She says, number one, Barracks Road, number two, shops at Stonefield. Number three is the T.J. Max Sierra Shopping Center. That's what, Ryo Hill Shopping Center, right? Kroger's, you can tell. For one thing, I don't go north of Barrett's Road. I've said that on this program so many times. I do not go north of Barracks Road. Isn't that most of Albuhral County?

Most of Albaugh County is north. A large portion of Almore County is north. I don't go north in Barracks Road. I was actually having this conversation with my wife. I do not go north of Barich Road. I do not go east of Riverside Burger on High Street. I do not go south of three-notch brewing company. and I rarely go west of Duna's restaurant

except to patronize pro ronata, croze pizza, or souse. Live in very much a Charlottesville bubble, my wife would say, and say, Jerry, you need to get out. Hey, I'm a creature of habit, okay? I'm very comfortable being a creature of habit. Okay, a lot we're going to cover on the broadcast. Curtis Shaver is watching the program. One of my favorite viewer and listener photos is that of

Very good friend of the program, Curtis Shaver. Can you get his photo on screen? One of the most jolly and jovial individuals I've ever meet, a man that makes friends everywhere he goes, Curtis Shaver. He says the Holly Meade Town Center with Blue Ridge Cycleary, Target, Harris Teeter, Coles, and Fox stand across the road. Very good call. In fact, I'm going to have to get a pen and paper now thanks to Curtis Shaver.

I think that needs to be on the list, the Holly Meade Town Center. Do we have Curtis's photo on screen? We did. Put it back on screen so everyone can see this fantastic human being. Look at the screen. Look at the screen. This also gives me an opportunity, Curtis, while your photo is on screen. And Lauren and Ivy says, very good call, Curtis.

She says that absolutely should be on the list. All right, a lot to unpack on the show. I'd love to give some attention to a location that I do not go east of a neighbor of Riverside Burger, the fantastic people at Charlesville Santeries Apply. Goodness gracious, John Vermillion and Andrew Vermillion are phenomenal human beings. Did you know Andrew Vermillion is about to get married? He's got a beautiful fiancé. Yeah.

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this business should be the first you call oh my gosh as honest is the day is long the Vermilions this is a show that we will lead with highlights and low lights from the Charlottesville City Council meeting are you ready for this judah wakower

the first clip is going to be on the short list for the greatest pieces of content you will see in 2026 in charlisville virginia much like charlottesville much like soccer legend pelee this man just goes by the name rasko what are the famous people that go by one name juda Famous people Share.

Share. Create this list that go by one name. Famous people that go by one name. Madonna. Beyonce. Prince. Cher.

Pele. And Charlottesville's Rusco. He's right there with Adele. He's right there with Rennell. Ronaldo, Rihanna, and Sting, without much further introduction, we will play three minutes

that will leave you absolutely speechless. And yes, it left. Many at Charlottesville City Council also speechless. This is from this week's city council meeting. Judah, you have that clip ready to go? Yep. Sit back, grab your popcorn, your iced tea. heck, you might need a double shot of bourbon or scotch.

As you watch and listen to Roscoe, address Charlottesville City Council. Three, two, one. Good afternoon, brothers and sisters of all. Good afternoon. How y'all doing this morning? This evening. I started Ten City.

It was me. I protested. And now I want to start a whole other thing. I think it's some property available. Zero garland. You even got some property down in Pantops, about 50 acres.

I want to say it was an insurance company or something, state farm, right on a river. Beautiful property, too. We are right in a point where I've warned you about. Three years ago,

when we set up that tent city, we are right here. And I don't know how to get it through. I talk and talk. I just came from feeding the homeless people. I still smell like barbecue chicken. My hands are sweaty. I'm leaving prints on here. I work hard and I don't have nothing myself.

You understand what I'm saying? Not only do I work hard, but I know so much. I know so many solutions. I really don't even want to be here. I was going to get on the bus, but then a homeless person said, Rasko, please go talk to them. You're the only one out here really working. Mind you, you think I'm, look at all these beautiful women.

Look at all these handsome brothers. You think I want to be in here sweaty, talking? No, but I do want results. I have results. And I don't want nobody that's called. me from out of my busy moment to tell me to come up with something new and then tell me that I can't get a grant because I haven't been in business long or not. You understand how that feels?

To not only take that time out of your life, but then it'd be so disappointed. What about that rich, homeless man who just fell in love with the wrong woman? What about the woman, the cat lady, who lost her mind, lost her ranch, and then died in jail? What about the people that freeze the death? I wake up to these people, man. I find these bodies. This is my life. I'm not gone.

This is a beautiful people. But most of them not. sleeping on no concrete. Say that. Yeah. I talk to the homeless people. It's people with skills. They can build their own tiny community.

Thank you. Thank you, Roscoe. That's Roscoe. It's Roscoe's right there with Madonna, Beyonce, Cher, Pele, Prince, Adele, as the one-named celebrities. That right there is one of my most favorite pieces of content of 2026.

When Rosco talks about just feeding the homeless and his hands still feeling, smelling of barbecue chicken as he's pressing down on the podium in front of him with the barbecue chicken, the smears that he can see in front of him. My favorite part is when he talks about

my hands are sweating. Or when he talks about the fact that I really don't want to be here. But when Roscoe references the beautiful women and the handsome brothers that are in attendance, this was a Charlottesville City Council

meeting this week. These are what five elected officials, ladies and gentlemen, I've had to deal with this week alone. And ladies and gentlemen, this is not an anomaly. This is just about every week for our elected officials. Do we have the equivalent of changing your shirt because you crapped your pants, Judah Wickhauer? Give me five seconds. This is what I think might be the best piece of content of 2026,

from Don Gathers, who's come on the program. He's going to be in the one slot, and we'll play another clip from Mr. Gathers from this week's council meeting here at a matter of moments. Along with Zion Bryant, this week we watched a Charlottesville school board member, Ziona Bryant, in her rookie year,

in her first years of school board member, attack city council, verbally attack city council. She encouraged hundreds of people in council chambers to stand up and scow and stare down Charlottesville City Council. Understand the dynamic of a school board member speaking before council and antagonistic capacities, the same school board member who is funneled the money for the schools she is leading from council.

It's a wild ride and a wild community we live in. So much to cover on the broadcast. Do we have change your shirt because you crap, your pants. This is the number one piece of content. It's from earlier this summers. It's from Don Gathers who's watching the program. Judah in three two, one.

Thank you. Don. Good evening. Don Gathers, city resident. I do not come here this evening in peace. I come today trying my best to understand why some of you still continue to ignore the will of the people. Some of you

have seemingly sold what soul of what's left of your soul to the countless stream of developers that continuously swoop into Charlottesville. Councilor Payne, Councillor Fleischer, I applaud you for standing firm listening to the people in doing what you knew was morally right. The other three of you, Lloyd, Natalie, and Juan Diego, the egregious, horrific vote that you placed at the last City Council meeting will probably be your lasting legacy. You all routinely and systematically go against the very direction of the board, boards and commissions that you've impaneled. You disregard the words of the citizens heard during community matters.

Lord, you have morphed into Charlottesville's version of Rudy Giuliani. Brazen, verbose, mean-spirited, and wrong, all while snookering the people of Charlottesville. Natalie, you would seemingly be the love child of Margaret Thatcher and Nancy Reagan could procreate. Your ultronomics bear the hope of trickle-down housing that does not, has not, and will not manifest itself in any meaningful way. And you, Juan Diego, you are turning into the Mike Signor 2.0. To hell with the people, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead. You will sit on the precipice of becoming a modern-day Negro pean. What? Negropian. You are the Charlottesville's answer to Clarence Thomas, leading the charge for the newest version of Jim Crow redlining, betraying the people of Charlottesville.

I would like to think there is presently a crisis of conscience, yet I'm left to wonder if there is a conscious. What you demonstrate is not leadership, it's cowardice. Coward is in its worst form. You're being used as the modern-day racist tools of white supremacy. Your seemingly thoughtless actions will surely drive up the homeowners' cost in taxes, causing many of them to have to leave their family homes. This, at best, is backdoor gentrification. These developers are Charlottesville's weapons of mass destruction. And you would never allow this to go on in Greenbrier or Park Street or Belmont.

You may think that this fixes the previous screw-up on the zoning ordinance, but in reality, it's the moral equivalence of changing your shirt because you've crapped your pants. While your actions will surely expand the city's tax base, it will simultaneously change the very landscape of the Fifeville community. it will most assuredly change the fabric of an established community that you were elected in part to protect and not to destroy. You were elected to represent all the people, not just the rich, but here you've missed the mark. Thank you. One of the best pieces of content I've ever seen in my life. All right.

So viewers and listeners, the question I have before I show you, Ziana Bryant attacking city council. And in that video right there, you saw the fabulous. Jim Hingley, the Amar County Commonwealth's attorney in attendance directly behind Don Gathers. I have tremendous respect for Jim Hingley, often watches and listens to this talk show, Jim Hingley. Don Gathers, in my eyes, is still the top piece of content in 2026. I think Roscoe is knocking on Don Gathers' door as best piece of content, but still in my eyes, Don Gathers is a clear cut, number one.

He compares Lloyd Snook to Rudy Giuliani. He turns Lloyd Snook's name into a verb, last name into a verb, snookering. He calls the mayor Juan Diego Wade and Uncle Tom. He says that Natalie Osteran is the love child of Nancy Reagan and Margaret Thatcher. He also adopts the term oceanomics. Oceronomics is a phenomenal term that we use till this day thanks to Don Gathers. In fact, I believe we actually coined the term first. Yeah, I don't think it was Don Gathers.

We coined it. We coined the term activists and leader Don Gathers, watches and listens to the show, and it made it on the record in a city council meeting. And then, and then one of my favorite lines, I think I've ever heard in my entire life, is change your shirt because you've, it's the moral equivalent of changing your shirt because you've crapped your pants. I mean, look at Judah Wickhauer. Are you on a two shot right now?

No. Please show Judah Wickhauer right now who's hysterically laughing. Moral equipment, Judah, of changing your shirt because you can't really, shirt because you crap your pants, sir. That's, I mean, that's poetry. It's, it's, it's the absolute best. One of the best pieces of content I've ever seen. What is your

ranking of best pieces of content? We need to put the list together. Is Don in the one slot? Oh, yeah, Don, no, no, I think Don is in the number one slot for just sheer audacity of, of content. Roscoe's got some

mad acting chops. And it's fun to watch him just put it all out there. But it's, you know, it's a bit deranged. Viewers and listeners, Don Gathers, change your shirt because you crapped your pants, or Roscoe, my hands are sweaty and still smell like barbecue chicken. And look at all the beautiful women and handsome brothers in here. Just absolutely fantastic. We got another clip to play from the city council meeting as we're discussing highlights, two clips.

and low lights from this week's meeting. Folks, the elected officials on the dais make $18,000 a year. The mayor makes 20. Everybody else makes $18,000 a year. Somehow this is Michael Payne's top source of income. Now, they are getting a sizable pay raise in the very near future.

The second clip we're going to play is Diana Bryant. She is on Charlottesville School Board. she is verbally berating Charlottesville City Council in this clip and yet as a school board member, an elected official, it's city council that funnels taxpayer revenue to the school board to fund the schools. The dynamic is absolutely wild here, Judah. I don't think she's worrying about, I don't think anyone would worry about

city council clawing back money from the schools because of what someone said. I agree with you. But is there not a level of disrespect that's obvious? Yeah. Is there a level of inappropriateness that we should be discussing? There's no? This is Charlottesville. I mean...

Okay, you're saying all level of respect and appropriateness is completely thrown out in the window when it comes to local politics. That's what you're saying. I mean, in this case, I would probably have to say that in a city council meeting, you get the respect that you ask for. And I don't see the city council meetings. members demanding any respect in the city council meetings. Okay, I care.

As evidenced by... Juan Diego Wade being called and Uncle Tom? That. And allowing it? As evidenced by the body language, Greer Ackinbach showed when she had people, you know, booing her from behind. I mean, I felt for her because you could see in her body language that she fully expected someone to come up behind her and attempt violence.

And Greer Ackamack, the head of the downtown Charlestville Business Owners Association that lobbied before counsel about the damaging impacts that homelessness is having in downtown Charlestville. How about when counsel allowed Chief Cottes to be thrown under the bus when he spoke about public camping and public storing of possessions? The best they could muster was a plea for the audience. All L' Santiago Way does in these meetings, and it's the mayor who has to instill order. all the mayor says is please please please that's not how you demand respect i've never seen meetings run so poorly please please please please i mean he had someone call him an uncle tom and did nothing about it here is ziana bryant from this week's council meeting i want you to understand the dynamic of a school board member verbally berating city council a school board member that is

funneled revenue for the schools she leads from the people she's verbally berating. This week's city council meeting, Diana Bryant, a rookie school board member, and one of the most notorious activists, if not the most notorious in Charlottesville, Virginia history, Judah, and three, two, one. We'll have opportunity at the end, so will have opportunity at the end, so we're almost, Ms. Bryant. Good evening, counsel. I have a couple of things I want to say, but I want to start by saying anyone who's here to stand in solidarity with black residents who have been speaking out about the unhinged development, please stand.

Let's do this because we can't hear a comment. I always ask this because at the beginning we heard a comment that there are these activists. And that little sentence is used so often. It's just activists who are speaking out. It's just activists who care about this. The general population just wants to see good development. We just need more housing. A lot of them subscribe to some of the counselors who believe that trickle-down housing is the way to go.

In fact, I actually spoke to one of our counselors at that June 24th meeting, and she's convinced that if we have more housing, more luxury student housing, more housing of all types, that students will have more places to go. But the point that I made to her was that actually, the more we allow developers to come in and have free rein over our city, we signal to the university that they can continue to enroll more people. They continue to accept large donations that require more capacity, thus more units that are luxury and fits the demographics of the students that they want to enroll. And so it's very disheartening to sit in a room of 140 plus people, again, to the point about there's a small group of activists who feel this way. There's been meeting after meeting since that meeting, and even before, the Neighborhood Association of 10th and Page, myself included, has sat at the table with developers time after time and expressed what we need to see. We've had discussions about CBAs. discussions about what these people can offer to the neighborhood but the

unfortunate part about all of this is that by right they have so much ability so much capacity to do whatever they want to do simply because council did not do a good job with the zoning code and now instead of us being proactive we're being reactive how can we be reactive to developers who can come through make their proposals and you guys will overturn the BAR's decision just so freely and not all of you will have the courage to even stand up to your community and face them eye to eye and tell them why you did it. Again, I'm speaking, I probably should have said this earlier, in my personal capacity, because I'm sure someone will want to slap me on the wrist for this. But let me just say this, that the community is speaking.

Again, I'll ask you all to stand if you stand in solidarity with black residents who are asking for responsible development. Thank you. I think that's all you need to see. Thank you. Thank you. It's an absolutely wild ride, this city council meeting, in front of an entirely packed chamber. Judah's got something to say right here. I got a few things to say.

I mean, I'm kind of baffled by some of this. First of all, developers, do they think that the developers building the mark and some of these other properties are like bottlenecking other developers who want to come in and build low-income housing? Like, are there, like, magical, miracle developers out there who are just itching to come into Charlottesville and build low-income housing if only we would stop allowing developers, you know, who are building things like the mark? I don't see that happening. Second, UVA enrollment.

Do we honestly think that if the mark wasn't built, UVA would stop enrolling more and more students every year? No. UVA is all about money and more students means more money. So under what world are, is UVA just going to, okay, that's enough students? We're going to stop here. We don't have enough housing. And the zoning code, this is, this drives me crazy.

Like, where were all these people, I believe we're going to hear Don Gathers talk about the zoning code as well. Don Gathers, and he's watching the program. I have tremendous respect for Don Gathers. Don, you know, I have tremendous respect for you, sir. Tremendous respect for you. You're 100% right. We're going to play another Don Gathers clip on the show today from this week's meeting.

Don Gathers politicked and activated for the new zoning ordinance. I have evidence, documented evidence of his public comments during city council meetings when the new zoning ordinance was being deliberated years ago of Mr. Gathers speaking in favor of the same zoning ordinance that he's calling racist today. And it's already gone through one process of what would you call it,

adjustment. I don't believe it was, they didn't dig very deep in the adjustments, but it was, you know, they started to make some changes to things that they thought weren't, you know, weren't written or, you know, could use some changes. So here we are, not only with the new zoning ordinance, but with changes to the new zoning ordinance, and all of a sudden, people who I, in the case of Don Gathers, supported the new zoning ordinance, are now against it, and others calling out that, you know, that what? Because it allowed the mark? I'm sorry, but you

You got what you asked for Ziona Bryant Ziona Bryant Watch and listen to the show Don Gathers, you watch and listen to the show Everyone attendance in that city council meeting Nikaya Walker Everyone in attendance

Far, what is it? The people housing area residents What does the FAR stand for? Let me check all joy all rosia all all the people okay public housing association of residents public housing association of residents if you want to direct your ire and anger at an entity or individual it is not city council you should be directing your ire and anger to livable seaville and matthew gillicott and stephen johnson they push this forward, they clouded your judgment, and swayed you that the new zoning ordinance would stabilize price point and would be democratic for all.

That's who you should be angry with. I said for years on this program that this would backfire and it would impact the financial margin and the historically marginalized communities. Deep Throat said it. John Blair said it Anyone that is in real estate knew it but counsel Brian Pinkston

Michael Payne Lloyd Snook Juan Diego Wade The counsel of the last 5 to 8 years were bamboozled by Rory Stolzenberg were bamboozled by Matthew Gilliken by Stephen Johnson

by livable Seaville and as a result you've made your bed you've made your bed and now you've got to deal with it and that's the way life works unfortunately it's how the cookie crumbles we have one more clip from this week's meeting and then we're going to get to

comments including Deep Throat and John Blair and you are 100% right Deep Throat Livable Seaville has been as quiet as a church mouse during all of this Have you noticed that? Very strange. You know why?

Because they know what they've pushed has backfired. They know it's backfire. I'd love to hear from even one of them. The development was never going to go to the wealthy neighborhoods. Yeah. Never. This is the last clip from this week's meeting. This is Don Gathers a second clip.

Gosh, he's so good. This is from this week, Don Gathers speaking before counsel, So Judah Wickcarrow, do you have that ready to go? I do. Three, two, one. Good evening, Don Gather, City resident and proud member of First Baptist Church. I will be briefed this evening because I didn't prepare anything. And also because some of you all have shown an innate inability to listen to the citizens anyway.

So what I will say is this. At the June 24th meeting, the developers and the lawyers specifically said on numerous occasions that they would rent these properties to anyone who could afford them. They made that statement. That in and of itself should remove the cover of luxury student housing. They owe us 10% of those units that they're putting in based on what they said at that meeting. And that's not a way of selling our soul to the devil that be. That's a way of inflicting some pain and some hurt on them, just as they're doing to the Fifeville neighborhood.

So I encourage and I urge you all to at least demand 70 units, 70 beds of this property. That's the very least that they could do. But they should do much more. You all should demand much more. the citizens are requesting you to demand much more. The public also deserves to know what specifically the plans are for the $7 million that the federal government has funneled down to the city to issue and attack the issues of homelessness.

We deserve to know what specifically you all have planned in earmarked for those funds. but at the very least, again, and I implore you every time I come here, listen to the people that elected you. Listen to the people that put you in office. Listen to the people that are now paying for the raises that you all just so generously got. Thank you. That is the last clip we'll play from this week's city council meeting that was an absolute circus. Now we're going to take comments from viewers and listeners,

and I want to offer a point of clarity. This luxury student housing, the mark, which will be developed by landmark properties, the same national developer that develop the standard, which is the apartment building that is home to pot bellies, that creates a significant shadow over the West Haven neighborhood. Okay, landmark properties exited its position on West Main Street, the standard, in a roll-up deal led by Morgan Stanley. Landmark properties made a killing, and now they're back to Charlottesville.

The wolf is in the headhouse, looking to make even more money. The mark in Fifeville does not need to allocate any of the housing, any of the apartments to affordability. Does not need to earmark any of them, because it's student housing, because if it's proximity to the University of Virginia, the mark instead will make a contribution of more than four,

million dollars to the city's affordable housing fund which is required by the city's inclusionary zoning policy policy it does not have to allocate 10% of its apartments to low-income housing and what don gathers is demanding of city council in that clip right there is that council go in and bully a multi-billion dollar developer and demand that 10% of what they're constructing which is costing 100,000,000, and hundreds of millions of dollars be allocated to poor people. That's not how this world works. Isn't the either or a choice for any developer, you know, the 10% or a certain amount of money? That's up deep throat in John Blair's Alley right there.

That's up deep throats and John Blair's Alley. There's an exemption here because it's student housing and it's proximity to grounds. the marks specifically. Lisa Green is watching the program, a former planning commissioner in Charlottesville, and she gives us the 100 in emoji in agreement with what we're saying. Lisa Green's come on this program before.

She's a badass. Nothing but respect for Lisa Green, the former Charlottesville Planning Commissioner. Deep throat, number one on the family, watching the show. He highlights that the active that push for the zoning code are literally getting what they asked for with their politicking and activating for the new zoning ordinance. And he says that Zion Abrient is literally using

the CFRP talking points, student housing leads UVA to increase enrollment, so why does it act, so it doesn't actually help. And he's exactly right. When the Paul Manning Biotech Institute is funded by a hundred million dollar plus donation, by billionaire Paul Manning, UVA is going to enroll biotechnology students and expand its student body. When Jeffrey Woodruff gives more than $100 million for a data science school,

UVA is going to expand its enrollment and enroll data scientist students. The interest and demand for the University of Virginia is the highest it's ever been. The enrollment is the highest it's ever been. And the school literally is expanding down Ivy Road where it's building an academic village 2.0. Wait until you see what happens when Ivy Square Shopping Center, which the University of Virginia purchased, if memory serves correct, for about $22 million. Wait until you see what happens when those leases expire, and Ivy Square Shopping Center is either knocked down or repurposed into an academic village.

we explained to you earlier this week that Arlington Boulevard, the road that's adjacent to Barracks Road Shopping Center, the road literally right next to the McDonald's, Orange Theory Fitness, and where the BW3s was located. UVA is filing permits to destroy, knock down, and raise the money-wise building that's there. It's expanding its grounds that way, the University of Virginia. As Zion Bryant said, these deep-pocketed, extremely wealthy individuals donate money to the university. The enrollment will absolutely uptick. I found out yesterday, literally found out yesterday, that at the entrance to my neighborhood, we live in Ivy, there's a gentleman that works in private equity and mergers and acquisitions locally.

I will not reveal his name. This gentleman who is in Mergers and Acquisitions, M&A, and Private Equity owns a piece of the Philadelphia 76ers. He owns basically the entire entryway to the neighborhood that we live in an Ivy. Land on both sides of the road. Vass acreage on Ivy.

He's got a home over there, one of his homes. A billionaire who owns a piece of the Philadelphia 76ers. I didn't even know who, was. I was corrected by a viewer and listener on this talk show, a very prominent individual who I also will not use his name. Deep throat, you are in that meeting as well. I mentioned off the top of my head the billionaires that people know of that live locally. And this individual corrected me and said, your list of billionaires is significantly below accurate from a number standpoint. It's much closer to 50 than it is 10 that have that own homes here. It might not be a year-round

residents, but people that have positions, homes, second, third, fourth, fifth homes here, closer to 50 of the billionaire status, ladies and gentlemen. The talk from this individual who would know is per capita more live here in this community than any other in the country, per capita key. So much to talk about on the program. Deep Throat says, have you noticed how quiet livable Seville is? Not showing up at these meetings at all. Hiding and slinking away. Waiting for the 2,200 a month apartments to sink to the 2,150 a month level so they can have an extra avocado toast per week or a cool new e-bike to drive around town. Absolutely hilarious. The idea that a student developer that has done student development in CIVO in the past is somehow sneaking in non-student housing is laughable.

CFRP said the new zoning ordinance should not give a special break to student housing. Did anyone listen to CFRP? No. If you ignore all the input of smart people, what are you left with? Deep throat right there who spares no expense and the direct message of Twitter. Ginny Who, thank you for the retweet. We'll get to John Blair next. Vanessa Park Hill is on deck, and then we will discuss deal flow, ladies and gentlemen,

for Fifth Street Station. John Blair, number two in the family. Oh, man, he's got a second comment. It's not showing. I wonder why the comments are not showing up in the... I got your first comment on the, John, the shopping centers. All right, I'll save this comment to the shopping center. I thought there was a second comment.

We'll get to that in a matter of moments. Vanessa Park Hill is watching the program. Queen of Earlysville. If people think developers are eating the cost for any affordable housing units, think again. The other residents will absolutely take the hit. She's 100% right, Queen of Earlysville, watching the program right now.

Judah Wickhauer, thoughts. Conan Owen is watching the program. Yeah, I mean, developers are always going to do what is financially feasible. And I can't believe, anyone out there thinks it's financially feasible to just turn a portion of a building into low-income housing. It doesn't pencil out.

Yeah, it's not about want or like or fair or anything like that. It's about business. It's about money. And a developer is not in the business of giving handouts. Conan Owen says that council chambers is a small, room. It's not very hard to fill it with the activist class. And Conan also says, Judah makes a great point. New development is focused on the demand in the marketplace. It's not lower income folks that are driving demand for housing. Build more nicer housing. People

move out of the single family homes along Cherry Avenue and near 10th page and into the new units freeing up those units for others. And why is it all of a sudden okay to say we don't want people who don't look like us moving into our neighborhood. We want to keep the neighborhood the same. It's been for decades. That's what they're saying. Conan's words right there. Yeah.

Comments put them in the feed. We'll relay them live on air. We'll give a plug to Sir Speedy of Central Virginia. Direct mail, uniforms, signage, stickers, lanyards, the banner behind me. Sir Speedy of Central Virginia is owned and operated by Darden graduate Conan Owen, O'nan, an official Hispanic-owned business, Sir Speedy, Central Virginia, is who you contact for anything signage needed.

Ladies and gentlemen, he certainly has done it for our firm and our tenant portfolio. Hank Martin said he just drove down Arlington Boulevard, and the deconstruction of the Moneywise building has already started. We need to get to deal flow in Fifth Street Station, Judah Wickhauer. Is that the next headline? Actually, the next headline is the August 4th meeting with the Almaro County School Board. Yeah. What do you make of a Tuesday at 10 a.m. meeting as you put that lower third on screen?

I mean, that's going to disallow a lot of people who might otherwise attend. Who can go to a 10 a.m. meeting on a Tuesday? Stay at home parents and people who are independently wealthy. I don't see the independently wealthy going to public school engagement civic meetings. meetings? Yeah. The fact that the school board has chosen 10 a.m. on a Tuesday for this meeting is yet another indication of being absolutely out of touch.

The school board has shown so many signs of being out of touch, replacing Matthew Haas with his right hand interim superintendent out of touch, not communicating with parents immediately of what was happening out of touch refusing initially to launch a third party independent investigation into child sexual

assault allegations out of touch hosting a meeting at 10 a.m. on a workday with very short notice given out of touch or not wanting people to attend

I'll give them the benefit the doubt of being out of touch and incompetent as opposed to the the manipulative strategic we have something to hide angle i think it's out of touch and incompetent as opposed to manipulative and strategic 10 a.m that's why we'll follow that closely now i want to talk never never uh isn't that hand lends razor never assume uh malicious intent uh when winning competence or essentially never assume malicious intent when you can assume that it was just incompetence Hank Martin highlights that's also primary Tuesday all right Tom Sargill's watching the golden apple award winner the retired Almaro county public school teacher the next topic is deal flow look I

it's really hard to say who won this deal riverbed development corn capsaw we broke the news yesterday. They sold for 117.1 million. You got lower thirds on screen? Fifth Street Station. Fifth Street Station's been purchased by super wealthy real estate investors, a real estate investment firm out of Seattle. $117.1 million deals don't happen every day in Charlottesville. The firm, if you'd like to get to know them as Bridge 3, Bridge 33, excuse me, Bridge 33 Capital. They purchased Fifth Street Station, which is a 451,000 square foot, 779 square foot, 451, 779 square foot shopping center that has 47.7 acres. This is a massive effing shopping center, dude.

451,779 square feet, 47.7 acres. It was assessed at a tick above 109,000. million and traded for a tick and change above 117 million. Closed to 17th of July. The sake of a talk show, I'm in the real estate business, not in the real estate business, to the tune of developing shopping centers or doing deals at the $117 million clip. So while I could make some educated guests and some educated projections and I'm seasoned and savvy and sophisticated enough to understand some deal flow, I don't develop 451,000 square foot shopping centers on 48 acres, nor do I deal, nor do I do $117 million deals, just being straightforward.

Try to figure out who got the best of this deal and why it was sold. I also find it somewhat curious that in about a 60-day period of time, the Wawa Ground Lease, Corrin and River Bend Development, was sold to Charlottesville Parking Zarr, Mark Brown. Mark Brown 1031 exchanged into that. He 1031 into it. Then shortly thereafter, the Holiday Inn shopping center sells to a hospitality group. Holiday Inn is 132 keys, 2.54 acres, trades for basically $11 million, $10.8 million. And then the Fifth Street Station shopping center sells. So in a 60-day period of time, almost the entire

entire corridor, the almost shopping district, traded. Two of those deals tied to Corrin and River Bend. I'd like to specifically try to analyze the Corrin deal. Is something coming to that area? I don't know. The

5th Street Station. I don't have that information. I don't know. Corrin certainly does. He's as smart and as savvy and sophisticated as an individual as you're going to find locally. I don't have the properties,

OM, the rent rule, or the financial statements, so I can't get a true cap rate here. I don't know the exact cap rate. I don't know the net operating income. So I can't get a cap rate and give you an exact number. Traditionally, cap rates in the vicinity of 6 to 7.5% for a Class A open-air dominant shopping center. If that's the case, you're talking about 7.6 million an annual NOI here.

Those are guesstimates. I do know that this shopping center has had a number of vacancies. It's had turnover. I do know this shopping center has got a phenomenal anchor tenant Wegmans. Wegmans is an anchor tenant is arguably the best anchor tenant of any tenant in Central Virginia. Viewers and listeners, is there any anchor tenant better in Central Virginia? Virginia than Wegman's grocery store. I can't think of one. Can you viewers and listeners think of one that is more prestigious, drives more traffic, more wealth, more volume to a shopping

center than Wegman's? I can't think of one. Don't know one. Can't think of one. Don't have one. Okay. Alamo Draft House, when building this shopping center, was seen to be a significant anchor tenant that would drive traffic. Movies, since this shopping center was developed, the in-person experience has deeply declined in traffic volume. Alamo

Draft House is not what it was when it first opened. Neither is the regal, nor is the one in the downtown mall. What's the one on the downtown mall called? Violet Crown. I was going to call it what you always call it, but yeah,

it's Violet Crown. None of them are driving the foot traffic they did. Dix, I think, is on the sporting goods store. It's last legs. Maybe I'm wrong. We do know that Dix pumped hundreds of millions of dollars into outfit and outfit over a number of key stores to try to turn them into these experiential stores where you can swing golf clubs and kick soccer balls and run around tracks, climb bouldering walls. Dix is trying to be experiential. Come try out the product before you purchase it from us. Hundreds of millions of dollars over a number of points of sale it invested to try to drive foot traffic back into stores. Is it working? Who knows?

We do know the field and stream model didn't work, and we do know the previous Dix model didn't work, because they're revitalizing it as we speak. I think it just doesn't work here. I think there's a lot that doesn't work in Charlottesville. Who knows? It seems to me, Fifth Street State, Wegmans is your number one anchor tenant that's exceeded expectations with customer traffic.

Your number two anchor tenant is the movie theater. That's below expectations with customer traffic. Your number three anchor tenant is what? The Dix? That's below expectations and customer traffic. There's the Havardi's, the Fervardis, the furniture store? Is it Havardi cheese? Havertees? I love a good Havardi. Go in there and buy some furniture. some furniture. Go into Havartis, Havartis over there, whatever it is. There's no one in that freaking store. You've got staff over there sitting around, twiddling their thumbs. Go into

Havartis. You're not going to find any blocks of cheese or some ritz crackers. You're going to find employees sitting around doing nothing. That's probably your fourth tenant over there, is it not? What's your fifth tenant over there? The Panera bread? Is it the Panera bread? What's your sixth tenant over there? Is it the Timberwood Tap House? That probably does better than a lot of the other places you mentioned. How many businesses have turned over in that food court area next to the movie theater?

Extreme Pizza's still there. Amazingly. Former client of our firm's Extreme Pizza. How many hairdressers have gone into that place? There's three or four hairdresser places in Fifth Street Station. I mean, the next metric I want to analyze is, what's this trading for? $117 million. What was the trade?

I got it in front of me here. $117.1 million for $451,000 plus square feet. What's the price per square foot right there, ladies and gentlemen? $259 a square foot to develop, is that right? About $259 a square foot. How much does it cost to build a shopping center brand new right now? I'm not talking land acquisition. Just the center.

Remember, a lot of these centers, they build a box, and then it's up to the tenant to go in and complete the interior build-out. So they're building the shells, the shell of a 451,000 square foot shopping center. I don't know. I don't have that answer. Deepthroat's done some analysis. He believes that answer is about a, about a,

a buck 75 a square foot right now just the box building he says deep throat you need to subtract out land value he says the land value somewhere in the 30 to 50 million dollar range so the construction of a 451,7179 square foot shopping center maybe a 175 a square foot the cost of a just of a warm box strip mall he says using rs means report as a reference somewhere in the neighborhood of of $150 to $200 a square foot. You split the difference called a buck 75. He says obviously hard costs will be higher than that. Parking, civil engineering, land acquisition, red tape associated with bureaucracy,

carrying costs. Did Bridge 33 Capital 1031 exchange into this? That's something I want to know. My expectation is there's going to be a brand new leasing team in place for Fifth Street Station. There's already been a few. the current leasing team, I guarantee you is quaking that they're going to get terminated

and a new leasing team will be brought in. Let's see if that materializes. $117 million. Who won this deal? Who lost this deal? Hard to tell without knowing net operating income, seeing rent rolls and

financials. But I do know this, that Corin exited a Wawa ground lease and less than, in about 60 days later, He exited his shopping center. I do know the Holiday Inn just traded. Everyone that's down Fifth Street extended,

you ask what's going on. Everyone. All right, we're 70 minutes into this program. I'm going to save the best shopping center topic for Monday's show. Can you write that down? And for the PTI headlines for Monday, we'll do the best shopping center topic, because I think it's a really good one.

And I think Curtis Shaver's exactly right that we should add the Haleemite Town Center to that mix. I mean, Barracks Road Shopping Center is a clear cut, number one. Is the second best shopping center over there, the Haleemead Town Center? Probably. Is it ranked ahead of Stonefield? I was there for my birthday for dinner. Where did you go to the seafood place? We went to Sakura.

Oh. I'd typically always gone to. gone to Tempaniaki places for my birthday. So I was inconsolable when Flaming Walk disappeared. And now we have Sikor. And it was pretty good. Barracks one, Holly Mead, two,

Stonefield 3, Rio Hill 4, UVA Corner 5? I mean, is that what we're doing here? I mean, if Coco's ever opens, you've got, what, Coco's, Seville Smash, and Brent Lillard's Gracie Jiu-Jitsu? Brent's watching the program. That's a hell of a list of shopping centers. Is that seminal?

Yeah, I don't know if Coco's is going to change much about seminal, though. I mean, I love Dr. Halpert. Love Dr. Halpert. Oh, I'm not saying anything about the actual business. I'm just saying it's... I mean, goodness gracious. Do you see what the city of Charlottesville is doing to Dr. Halpert? it's the end of July and he's still waiting for Coco's to get inspected.

He's literally losing his entire summer and will open at the start of the school year. The worst time to open a child experiential, fun indoor center is the start of the school year. Yeah, especially with some of the insanely hot days we've had in the last month. Literally the worst time is the start of the school year.

and it's because the city is dragging its feet on inspections. Surprise. And you got a guy that's paying what? I mean, we broke that news. He was very straightforward with his lease terms. Oh, yeah, I'm just referencing what I published a year ago after speaking with him on the phone. Here's what he told me in March of 2025. In March of 2025, he said, we will be open in early 20,

26, his exact words. I'm literally reading verbatim what he told us on the show. March 10th, 2025, Jerry, we will be open in early 2026. It's July, almost August and they're not open. 34,000 square feet. Trampolines, road courses, bumper cars, zip lines, Ninja Warrior course, drop tower, LED slides, ball pits, arcade, cafe, birthday party rooms, parents lounge. Build out costs. $2 to $3 million. Ten-year lease personally guaranteed. Monthly rent tiered and staggered $25,000 to $35,000 a month. Chuck Rockin, the landlord, financing by M&T Bank.

Can you imagine waiting around for an inspection with the kind of debt service that you're paying? because the city of Charlottesville can't employ enough inspectors? I mean, this is a man's livelihood. I'd be curious to know the number of businesses that have gone under because of things like this. Coney on yesterday's program,

his client was the replacement to Mels on West Main Street. Was it dope? Delicious, what I've got it right here. Delicious fish and chicken. Six months they couldn't open because the city couldn't get inspectors in there. Yeah, except it was fine for, it was fine for Mel.

Completely fine for Mel. The business changes hands. When the business changed hands, Charlottesville says, oh, no, no, no, you have to change everything. Conan made great points. He's like, wait a minute. So was Mel's running an unclean? Well, evidently. I guess.

But he was grandfathered in to changes in inspection standards. Yeah. And then once Mel passed away and a new owner took over, I mean, this is why you work with a business broker like yours truly. If that individual had worked with a broker like yours truly and gone into that, no lease would have been signed until inspectors walked the property and provided a punch list of what was expected. Yeah. And you know what? I'm going to tell you right now. Okay.

And it's a Darwinistic world out there. You know who's to blame for six months of an odd opening? The individual who took over the Mel's lease and signed a lease personally guaranteed without doing their homework about inspection standards. And life sucks sometimes. It does. Yeah. Okay?

And Coco's, you got to call Pepper County doctor that's open in a, uh, uh, uh, dilapidated shopping center, a forgotten shopping center that's now trying to become experiential. That is hemorrhaging money right now. And is missing his grand opening window summertime for a business model that's directly tied to kids. Because the city can't get inspectors out there. Whose fault is it? Probably a little bit of both. But levels of risk here.

25 to 35,000, what did I say? I'm looking at my notes. 25 to 35,000 a month and 2 million to 3 million buildout is a hell of a lot different than delicious chicken, whatever, delicious chicken and what? Delicious fish and chicken. Wild time we live in here.

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