The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - HUD Median Family Incomes Released Today; CVille Area: $125,800 In 2025; $124,200 In 2024

Episode Date: April 1, 2025

The I Love CVille Show headlines: HUD Median Family Incomes Released Today CVille Area: $125,800 In 2025; $124,200 In 2024 Arlington/Alexandria/DC Area; $163,900 Median Anti-Tesla & Pro-Tesla Protests Saturday At Stonefield How Does UVA Rebuild Its Battered Brand? Charlottesville Business Brokers Has Cash Buyers R Odom Contract: $3.25M Base , 6 Yrs & Bonuses Joel Gardner, Chairman, Jefferson Council, (4/3) Read Viewer & Listener Comments Live On Air The I Love CVille Show airs live Monday – Friday from 12:30 pm – 1:30 pm on The I Love CVille Network. Watch and listen to The I Love CVille Show on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, iTunes, Apple Podcast, YouTube, Spotify, Fountain, Amazon Music, Audible, Rumble and iLoveCVille.com.

I'm going to check in just a second. Frustrating. You are live on YouTube. Thank goodness. I get reprimanded when we're not live on YouTube. All right, get us on the group, and let's rock and roll, please. Did you quiet on the set? Yeah.

Good Tuesday afternoon, guys. I'm Jerry Miller, and thank you kindly for joining us on the I Love Seville show. The I Love Seville network is, I believe believe the most followed media brand in central Virginia now behind the University of Virginia. We've watched firsthand as broadcast television and their corresponding online platforms have pretty much become shadows of their former selves. You can look at the subscription data for the daily progress and it is meager at best, meager at best. I wanna give some props to what they're doing

at Seville right now, but a lot of that is press release regurgitation and not actual analysis and commentary. Although J-Heart is trying hard to make it a more convincing and compelling platform that covers this community in analytical fashion. Look, what we do on the I Love Seville show, and I want to highlight what Joel Gardner said of the I Love Seville Network.

Judah, maybe you get that email. Joel Gardner is going to join us on the show. Is it Thursday, Judah? Yes. It's going to be on the program on Thursday. This is the chairman of the Jefferson Council on Thursday's show. And he highlighted in an email to us

that it's clear that the I Love Seville Network and our flagship talk show, the I Love Seville Show, has become the voice or the platform of record for Central Virginia. That's really not what we intended to do, but what we will do on this platform is be honest and true to ourselves. It's not sugarcoating, it's not hiding,

it's not avoiding the machine that's the University of Virginia. Is avoiding the machine that's the University of Virginia Is there any more anyone more critical of the University of Virginia than the I love Seville network and that critical eye that we offered is back by Reasonableness it's it's not attacking. It's not inappropriate It's a machine that has a lot of points of concern And continues to have points of concern. I'm gonna ask you on today's show, how does the University of Virginia

rebuild its battered brand? I said on yesterday's program, and I stand by this, morale at the University of Virginia is at the lowest I've ever seen by rank and file, with leadership, with fan base. The lowest I've ever seen right now, and I've been in this community for 25 years, first arrived as a first year at the University of Virginia

and Dabney 101 Old Dorms, right off Bonnie Castle's circle. I've never seen morale this low. You've got pay freezes. You've got no cost of living raises, no performance based bonuses, no discretionary spending for research. You got a health system that is in the crossfire where some people are saying greed was the motivation for ousting the former CEO. Other folks are saying that the CEO should have been ousted because he wanted rank and file to live in an ecosystem of white collar racketeering and medical chart changing

and fraudulent billing. You got a triple murder UVA homicide report that's redacted and not being truly released. You got students being pepper sprayed. I mean, good gosh, folks. It's a battered brand. We'll talk about that today. We'll talk on today's program, the HUD median family income data that was released today. Deep Throat, thank you for putting this on our radar.

Deep Throat offers some clarity into the HUD median family household incomes for the Charlottesville area. And guess what, ladies and gentlemen? It went up versus last year. In 2024, family median household incomes, 124,200. This year, 125125,800. A jump of $1,600 per household. I don't know what you think, but a $1,600 year over year jump is a good jump. It's a significant jump. Now, everything is relative, and if you compare and contrast it to the Alexandria, Arlington, and DC areas, we're still significantly behind the DC, Alexandria, Arlington market of $163,900. But $125,800 for the Charlottesville area is nothing to sneeze about. We'll talk about that today.

I want to highlight, again, the interview we have with the chairman of the Jefferson Council set for Thursday. And we're working a candidate forum in conjunction with Neil Williamson, the president of the Free Enterprise Forum, where we welcome the three Charlottesville City Council candidates. We got Brian Pinkston, right Judah? Yep. I saw him at Cardinal Hall this past weekend.

Enjoy seeing Brian Pinkston out and about. I saw him at Salvage Brewery a couple of weeks ago. I was having beers with Elliot Harding and Brian Pinkston out and about. I saw him at Salvage Brewery a couple of weeks ago. Was having beers with Elliot Harding and Brian Pinkston walked in. He was over at Cardinal Hall this past weekend. Juan Diego Wade is running for re-election and Jen Fleischer is a first time candidate

that's running for a spot on council. And in conjunction with the president of the Free Enterprise Forum, we're working on a candidate forum where we will take your questions and spotlight the candidates live on the I Love Seaville Network in the very near future. A lot we're going to cover on today's program including the details of Ryan Odom's contract extension. Is that the fire truck or the ambulance that's going by, Judah? Looks like it stopped. I'd say that's a fire truck. Ryan Odom's contract details are out. The skipper from VCU comes down 64 interstate, heads to Charlottesville where he's gonna be making three million

two hundred fifty thousand dollars a year. Has an opportunity to make a lot more than that if his team performs through a number of bonuses. The Daily Progress has this story, a six-year contract. I'll unpack that on today's show. I'll highlight that there is a pro-Tesla protest and an anti-Tesla protest. Ladies and gentlemen, listen to this. This Saturday, from 1 to 2 p.m., Indivisible Charlottesville is going to host a protest at Stonefield. Also, this Saturday from 1 to 2 p.m. Philip Andrew Hamilton and his posse are going to host a protest at Stonefield. They are all going to convene, a la the Cowboys, Johnny Ringo and the Earp Brothers at the OK Corral. But instead of walking out of

saloons with the swinging doors, clapping them on the backside after slinging a couple shots of whiskey, to pull out some guns and shoot each other, both parties in this Stonefield protest swear it will be hands-off and nonviolent. Is anyone worried at all that a pro-Tesla protest and an anti-Tesla protest happening from 1 p.m. to 2 p.m. in the exact same location is a recipe for disaster? And and and if you're the O'Connell partners, the the private equity group, is it O'Connell, Judah, O'Connor or O'Connor? Can you figure that out? In fact, I think I can figure that out right now. O'Connor. It's O'Connor Capital Partners. If you're the O'Connor Capital Partners, the owners of Stonefield, this private equity firm.

When do you start saying good night? Ay mi madre, carajo chico. This lease we signed with Tesla is imploding in front of our very eyes. And here's the next question I have for you. If you're the landlord and your O'Connor partners and activists are able to get you to Kai Bosch and terminate a lease, is that not a Pandora's box? That is a Pandora's box. If activists can cancel leases through activism.

But flip side of the coin, if you're the landlord and you don't terminate the lease, do you not risk losing other tenants or devaluing your asset? When is the asset transition from sexy in class A, which Stonefield is, to a weak Class A or a high Class B because of all the brouhaha associated with Musk and Tesla. We'll talk about that on the I Love Seaville show today.

We will also highlight that our brokerage firm, Charlottesville Business Brokers, has cash buyers. We have groups of clients that are looking to buy businesses locally that do not need SBA loans, that do not need bank financing. These are sophisticated buyers. They're not going to buy junk. They are not going to buy junk, but they have cash on hand, and we've already deployed cash to purchase businesses. Deals we've personally brokered at Charlottesville Business Brokers and online at CharlottesvilleBusinessBrokers.com. Judah Wickhauer, which headline as they weave you in through a studio camera and a two shot most intrigues you and why?

Well, the continuing pro and antis are I think going to be my favorite conversation today. They've already had some clashes. Nobody thinks that these are two protests just randomly by coincidence going on at the same time. I'm pretty sure that, don't want to call it trolling. I genuinely believe that that the counter protesters believe just as strongly in what they're in what they're there for as the as the protesters who are as as one of our one of one of our viewers noted, not just about Tesla,

but about a lot of other things going on in the government today. But there's definitely some friction between those groups. The last time these counter protesters encountered each other, there was a little bit of physicality, There was spitting. There was one individual caught spitting on other people. Damn near close to a minor he was spitting on.

College age kids he was spitting on during the protest. I mean, I think most of us can agree that spitting on someone is not acceptable no matter what the age or anything else. Okay, let me ask you this question. If you're the Alamaro County Police Department, what kind of police presence do you have at Tesla in Stonefield this Saturday afternoon? Frankly, I don't think I would have a big police presence there. Are you nuts, man?

Are you expecting brawls? Philip Andrew Hamilton's posse is the right of the right. Yeah. And I don't expect anything. The indivisible Charlottesville posse is the left of the left. These are the two far left and far right of the greater Charlottesville area. And you don't think that there could be any potential bad actors in the mix? Oh, there definitely could be.

But do you really see either side resorting to like serious violence? I mean, we just talked about the fact that there was spitting during one of the... The last time. The previous ones. Viewers and listeners, what are your thoughts? And there was no retaliation. I mean, I don't know what else to say, but I don't think anyone is there to be violent.

There may be some, like you said, bad actors. There may be somebody that goes around spitting on people he disagrees with. But as with the last time, I don't think there's going to be any retaliation. It's going to be an 80 degree Saturday afternoon with sunshine and the enjoyment of spring springing. And instead of there's probably gonna be a lot of people sneezing. Judah highlights the collateral damage of the pollen in the pro-Tesla and anti-Tesla protests.

Prop bat. Here's a prop bat for you. I like prop bats. I know that. We're going to do a prop bat. Prop bat on physicality and some kind of altercation at the anti-Tesla and pro-Tesla protests this Saturday. Prop bet.

If yes versus no, a simple yes versus no, with a bottle of $75 or under top shelf brown liquor on the line, would you take yes or no on this? brown liquor on the line. Would you take yes or no on this? You don't want to take this back, do you? Yes or no on whether or not there's going to be violence? Whether there's going to be a physical altercation. You've already qualified or quantified that spitting on someone is a physical altercation, right? I guess we have. It happened last time. It is physical. It happened last time. An anti-Tesla protester spat on multiple pro-Tesla protesters last time. This protest that's happening on Saturday is well more planned than the last one.

Well more documented and well more promoted. If we're making a prop bet that there will be fisticuffs, a brouhaha, a violence of some kind, would you be willing to put a prop bet, create a prop bet or put some kind of action on the line here? I wouldn't touch this if I were you, Jude. I'm not trying to take your $75 here, but why in the world would you take this? Neil Williamson is photo on screen. I wouldn't take it on the no. You would say there would be no violence? I would say if the bar is spitting, then yeah, I'd say yes. There's probably going to be something along those lines. Neil Williamson's photo on screen. He says, property owners, including

property owners who lease their property have rights. The retail tenants of these property owners collect the retail sales tax on behalf of the locality. Alamaro County retail sales tax revenue in 2024 was $25,918,977. Year over year in 2024, the money collected by Albemarle County was up the locality in central Virginia in a recently released chamber of commerce report. Of any locality in central Virginia, Albemarle County, 2024 versus 2023, had the most improved or the most significant delta upward

and retail sales tax collection. Charlottesville City, on the other hand, the only locality in 2024 to see its retail sales tax drop. 2024 versus 2023, 2024 went down. The only locality in Charlottesville in central Virginia to go down was Charlottesville. Vanessa Russell, who sent us this information on the anti-Tesla protests of an invisible Charlottesville says the goal is to remain peaceful and stand together. I certainly remain hopeful there is no violence on either side. We all, we all, Vanessa, and we appreciate you sending us this information. We all hope there's no violence

on either side. But the protests that happened this past go-around that was not promoted, that was not documented, that was not planned, had... I don't know if I fully agree with that. Okay. How about I choose my words differently, how about I choose my words differently? How about I choose my words differently? Who was not documented, planned to this extent. Is that fair? Yeah, I just meant to say that the reason the counter protesters were there was because of the protest. So it was at least advertised enough that they knew.

Philip Dow says these anti-Tesla people are paid actors. It's part of the liberal resist campaign throughout the country. Joe Rogan recently did a podcast about this. And in a Joe Rogan podcast, he highlighted how a lot of the protesters on the anti Tesla sign were earning like three or four hundred dollars a day and being paid food to participate in these anti Tesla protests. Sorry, Tesla. I have to jump in there. I'm not saying that's what's happening in Stonefield. I'm saying Rogan highlighted that this was happening and cited verified sources and verified outlets to justify his statement. That's all I'm saying.

Oh, I'm not surprised. I'm absolutely, absolutely not surprised. I'm not saying that's happening in Charlottesville. Right. Jeremy Wilson's watching in Tennessee. Why are people so afraid of finding government fraud? The money the government is using to commit fraud is our money. In my opinion, the federal government is way too big and too powerful.

Maybe Musk is being too aggressive, but I think it is something that needs to be done. And no one has the right to destroy anyone's vehicles because they are angry. I'm going to highlight a couple things from that comment. No one has the right to destroy personal property. Right. But here's a, I mean, if they're hoping to make some grand statement by burning someone's car, guess what? Their insurance is going to pay Tesla to give them another one. How sure are you of that? Have you ever filed an insurance claim on a vehicle?

You think that the insurance is not going to cover someone getting their car torched by a... If you wreck your car, you get money back from your insurance. But that money does not go dollar for dollar to get you a new car. Have you ever had filed an insurance claim on a car to replace a car? I have. You get pennies on the dollar. And then your... Pennies? Cents on the dollar? I mean, that's the same as... Quarters on the dollar? It's not dollar for dollar what you paid for.

No, of course not. Just to put that in perspective here, you get your Tesla Torch... I mean, it's the same as your car losing, you know, like a lot of value as soon as you drive it off the lot. You get your Tesla torch, you're not just getting a check from insurance for a new Tesla. That's fair. Just to highlight right there. All right, a lot we're going to cover including median HUD family household income data, which

we will get to in a matter of moments. I got the daily progress and a TV station and radio watching the program. Old media, legacy media, traditional media, media of yesteryear, this should be in your news cycle. You should be highlighting on your media platforms that there is a pro-Tesla protest and a hands-off Indivisible Charlottesville protest at the exact same time, in the exact same location, on the exact same day, this Saturday in Stonefield. That should be dominating the news cycles in this community. And if I'm Colonel Reeves of the Alamaro County Police Department, I would be having a conversation

with my lieutenants and my sergeants right now on how we're going to try to maintain order in the shops of Stonefield. The very intriguing aspect of this is its private property. Very curious to see what Alamaro County can do on the shops of Stonefield private property, what Alamaro County police can do on the private property of the shops of Stonefield. That's why they have hired security at the shops of Stonefield. That's why Barracks Road has hired security. That's why 5th Street Station has hired security.

And speaking of the hired security at 5th Street Station down 5th Street Extended, have you seen the vehicle that drives around the hired security at 5th Street Station down 5th Street Extended, have you seen the vehicle that drives around the hired security vehicle? It's like a 2002 Geo Metro that's driving around there. The level of intimidation it garners, the 2002 Geo Metro hatchback is the level of intimidation that my 7-year-old tries to gardener when he's trying to stay up late. It's like, Dad, if you don't let me stay up late, I'm going to throw all my stuffed animals on the floor.

Okay, son, you do that. Good night. The lights are off. We'll highlight Charlottesville Sanitary Supply as being a partner of the show, Judah. Charlottesville Sanitary Supply as being a partner of the show, Judah. Charlottesville Sanitary Supply, 60 straight years of being in business. Andrew Vermillion, John Vermillion, online at CharlottesvilleSanitarySupply.com, located on East High Street, family owned and operated. It's pool season, ladies and gentlemen.

And there's one place to make sure that the water in your pool is of healthy standards, and it's Charlottesville Sanitary Supply. The lead of the show is data provided by Deep Throat. Deep Throat's photo on screen. Here's Deep Throat, look at his picture on screen. He sends us the 2025 HUD family median household income data which was released today. Judah Wickhour, everyone needs a deep throat in their life. Everyone needs a deep throat.

What are you laughing at? Oh, Judah, you sicko. I'm just highlighting the fact that he's a contributor to the show. You always take it to a place. Judah Wickhour, look at the man's apple tomato red over there. I'm talking about our friend that's commenting on the program. Everyone needs a deep throat in their life, Judah Wickauer.

Charlottesville, MSA, year over year, upticks. We said this was gonna happen. In 2024, the Charlottesville metro area, MSA is what it's called, the median family household income 124,200. This is actually the data from calendar year 2023 that was released in 2024, 124,200. The data from calendar year 2024 that's released in 2025 shows an uptick to 125,800. Judah, a $1,600 median family household income uptick year over year.

Very curious to see your commentary on this. Some would say $1,600 for a median family household uptick is marginal and should not be emphasized that greatly. I hope you take the opposite opinion of that. Very curious to hear what you have to say. I mean, it means this area is getting richer. It's getting more gentrified, right? I do want to highlight this. Jim Hingley watching the program,

Commonwealth Attorney of Alamaro County watching the program, sends us a text message. Tremendous respect for Jim Hingley. He says, absolutely spitting on someone in Alamaro County is a crime of assault and battery. There is a video documentation at that last protest of an anti-Tesla protester spitting on pro-Tesla protesters at Stonefield. You've seen that video, right? I've seen that video. Very clear documentation. It's all over the interwebs right now. So he highlights for the viewers and listeners that are watching the program. And now we have listeners that are watching the program. And now we have four media outlets watching the program. And what I see could be 10 elected officials here

that spitting on someone is assault and battery. Oh, yeah. Thank you, Mr. Hingely, for the clarity. We have tremendous respect for you, sir. Back to median family household income. Do we make a big deal on the median family household income jumping $1,600? Do we make a big deal about that? Or do we say that's just inflation and a sign of the times that we're living here, Judah? And do we try to compare it? I mean, we're basically a what, 1.5% jump year over year?

I'm putting the 2024 up right now. Oh, Judah's putting data on screen. Judah Wickauer on point today. Jack of all trades, Jack of all wits, director and producer of the show. Is it on screen? Yep. Take a look at the screen viewers and listeners.

And thank you, Deep Throat, for sending this information our way, as I said, in a non-graphic way. Judas is laughing still. Everybody needs a Deep Throat in their life. We love Deep Throat. What do you make of this? You can't get over this. Look at this. Can we put Juno Wicow on screen over there?

It's okay to laugh on camera, Juno. Can we put Juno Wicow on screen over there? It's okay to laugh on camera, Juno. It's like the Cheshire Cat. And now for something completely different. Cheshire Cat. If you compare and contrast it to Alexandria, Arlington, and the DC area, it's quite a disparity there. But is it?

I mean, I set you up for this, to really hit a home run on this question. That's why I set you up. Hit the home run and round the bases with swagger Judah. I'll try it again here. When you compare and contrast it with the DC Alexandria and Arlington area. There's quite a delta with Alexandria DC and Arlington Judah. Yeah, but I don't know that tells the whole story. OK. I would say that there's a lot more involved than just how much people are making.

163,900 for DC, Arlington, and Alexandria Judah. You just passed first base. You're heading to second. You have a chance to win the game right here with Swagger and Hutzpah. Last first base, you're heading to second. You have a chance to win the game right here with Swagger and Hoodspa. It's just one metric and it doesn't show how much you're paying for food in that area. It doesn't say anything about how much you're paying for housing in that area.

And so it likely has very little meaning in terms of comparing the two. Okay, well done, well done. If you wanna use the DC, Alexandria, and Arlington market as a comparison for Charlottesville's MSA, this is the extent of what I would do for comparison. Where does Charlottesville stand across the Commonwealth in totality? I would just use it as a statewide

or Commonwealth wide metric or benchmark. I wouldn't say, oh, let's get into nitty gritty of comparing Charlottesville to Alexandria, Arlington, and DC, because they're completely different markets with completely different pay scales, with completely different cost of livings. If you want to compare Charlottesville to other like-minded MSAs, you do it based on similar populations,

and you probably compare it to similar populations in other college-centric towns, university-focused communities. Compare and contrast a Charlottesville MSA to a town of similar size that also has a large public university, prestigious public university in it. Hopefully you don't have a Craig Kent in there or a Melinda Kibbe in there. Oh man. Or I hope you have a Burt Ellis in there.

God, I wish Burt Ellis was back in the mix. I like Burt Ellis. I do too. The more I read about him in this last round of news, the more I like the guy. I could do without a Craig Kent. I hate to say this. I'm starting to Maybe do without a Jim Ryan.

I hate to say that. I mean, it's just been terrible the last 24 or 36 months. But with a Burt Ellis, Burt Ellis, Burt Ellis is like that uncle that went to Christmas or Thanksgiving. He's unabashed. He's unabashed. He had maybe one too many Jack Daniels. And next thing you know, we're opening the gifts at Christmas.

We're passing around the gifts at Christmas. And he's the uncle that gives you like the Swiss Army pocket knife. Or he's the uncle that gives you like the BB gun. Or he's the uncle that gives you that like entry point rifle, and he says, come on, Jerry and Jeffrey, Jeffrey's my brother's name. Come on, I'll show you how to use that BB gun and that rifle in the backyard or that Swiss Army knife. I remember when my uncle Scott gave my brother and I Swiss Army knives. We were in like

second and first grade and he gave gives us the ultra deluxe Swiss Army knife that has like the 20 tools in it. My mother's mouth dropped to the floor. Really? And one thing you cannot do on Christmas day in front of your entire extended family when you're an in-law mother, we're at my father's side for Christmas in Hampton, Virginia, is take away the fully loaded Swiss Army knife from psychopath Jerry and from little Jeffrey who's terrified of big brother Jerry.

Wow. So Bert Ellis, akin to that uncle on Christmas who's had one too many Jack Daniels, most of the family's really excited that he's there. There's some people with tempered expectations where it's like what could go wrong? This could go either way. This could go either way, but you know you're gonna have some kind of fireworks and excitement and a story to tell and a story to tell Craig Kent and Jim Ryan the type of guys that you have at Christmas where they could be having a conversation With you like I'm having with you right now, but in their hand they're planning something

Completely all together not in the moment and thinking about a way that they can one-up you in some capacity The ulterior motive type of guy, type of guys. We get off track. The 125,000, what was the uptake, Judah? And Neil Williamson, I'm going to get to your comments here in a matter of moments. Make sure you're getting lower thirds on screen. I hear from the viewers and listeners that the lower thirds are very important, Judah, for the show, the headlines.

In the business, they're called lower thirds, guys. Deep Throat, exactly the data I was looking for right now. If you compare and contrast the Charlottesville MSA to Durham, North Carolina, and the Chapel Hill, North Carolina MSA, Durham and Chapel Hill, the same MSA. $105,000 the median family household income. 105,000.

And Deep Throat also highlights that the housing is more expensive there. No. And housing more expensive than here, he says. So in Durham and Chapel Hill, it's more expensive, the housing, than here. And the family median household income is 105K. College Station, Texas, which is home to Texas A&M, the median family household income is 93,000.

In Boulder, Colorado, Boulder is beautiful. If you have not a chance to check out Boulder, it's gorgeous. The median family household income is $1.48. Charlottesville's MSA, one more time for the viewers and listeners, Judah, is $125.8. $125.8. So Charlottesville is, call it 22K off from Boulder. If I round it up to 126, 22K off from Boulder. It's considerably higher than College Station. We're talking 33,000 more than College Station, home to Texas A&M. 20,000, 21,000 more than Durham and Chapel Hill. Those are the ones that you're going to want to

compare and contrast it to. The extent of why you would compare and contrast it to Alexandria and Arlington and D.C. is to see where it stacks up in the Commonwealth. Outside of that, you ditch the comparison to Northern Virginia. The better barometer is Durham, Chapel Hill, College Station, and Boulder. Neil Williamson, some comments. Two important points. First, the definition of median is half of the families earn more and half earn less. In addition, the Charlottesville Metropolitan Statistical Area MSA includes Charlottesville,

Almaro, Flavanna, Greene, and Nelson. If the outlying counties were excluded, the data point would be higher. Oh, there's no doubt about it. There's no doubt about it. I mentioned this on, was it on Monday show, on Friday show? We have, what, three actual billionaires that live here? I won't utilize their names.

Four billionaires that live here? Deep Throat, he would know this. Would you say it's four billion, I know of three billionaires that have homes here. Know them personally. Well, is it four billionaires that live here? And he pushes back on Neil Williamson. Actually the outlying counties make almost no difference, Neil, because the populations

are so small compared to Charlottesville and Almaro County. Deep throw pushing back on Sir Neil Williamson right there saying the populations of the outer counties are so small compared to the population bases of Charlottesville and in Almaro County in the MSA data. I love when the viewers and listeners make us smarter. We got both radio groups, the newspaper and both TV stations watching the program as we speak. It is four. It is four, deep throat.

So the two that you mentioned, including a gentleman who ran for governor and Warren Buffett's, one of Warren Buffett's lieutenants as well. So you're talking four billionaires here. I mean two of them are extremely obvious with their contributions to the University of Virginia. I'm pretty sure the gentleman who, I've been told that the gentleman who ran for governor that lives

in the city is at that point there. And the lieutenant for Warren Buffett has a house here and is an owner of multiple businesses including a owner of the Seville Weekly. Word on the street is he is known to listen to the I Love Seville show, which is kind of cool. When I get off this topic, before I get off this topic, I'm going to say this. You can expect the median family household income for Charlottesville to increase for each year for a long period of time.

You can expect this flood that's happening out of DC and depending on the media outlet you read and depending on the source used in these media outlets, there is an exodus of some kind, there is a trickling of some kind, the real estate market is stable. Regardless, we know this is happening. Musk and Trump and Doge are slashing funding and cutting jobs. A lot of the folks that are having their jobs and funding cut are going to exit DC

and the greater DC area. Anybody that trickles down from DC and Alexandria and Arlington and comes to the Charlottesville area with their bag of money from cashing their home equity out, their severance package, their retirement package, their COBRA benefits, looking to reimagine their professional lives in Charlottesville and Elmira County are going to create a, have a housing impact. There's just no inventory available. I was looking at a home in the Rocks. It's a great subdivision in the Ivy area.

It's right off Interstate 64. It's close to Boarshead, it's close to schools, it's close to where I work downtown. And this listing at 3505 Rocks Mill Lane, 3505 Rocks Mill Lane. 3505 Rocks Mill Lane. It went on the market in the Ivy area with an asking price of $1,700,000 in change. It sold for $2 million even in a multiple offer bidding war scenario. A home in our neighborhood came on the market at 1.4. Within three days, multiple offer bidding war scenario

and under contract, and I'm following it closely as it heads to closing. This pocket, say from Crozet to, say from Old Trail to the Lewis Mountain neighborhood. So from Old Trail into city limits to the Lewis Mountain neighborhood. This pocket of real estate, which I'll add Barricks and Rugby to, I will add Fry Springs to, I will add North Springs to, I will add North Downtown to, the Locust Grove neighborhood to, I'll

add Belmont to it, and parts of Keswick are so throttled with inventory that even if 500 people, 500 families move from D.C. and pursue home ownership in the Charlottesville market. That's going to have a massive impact on pricing because inventory is so throttle. Okay? And if you're able to cash out of the D.C. metro area, Alexandria, Arlington, what was the median income over there, Judah? 163,900. Charlottesville's 125,800. You're looking at a what? A $40,000 Delta, a $38,000 Delta right there. 38,000 and change Delta. That $38,000 and change Delta is going to pay for two kids, is going to pay for one kid to go fully to private school and the second kid to go to have a cover a second of the kids have tuition half

of the kids second tuition and if those two kids are in private schools in the greater DC area the tuition clip and the DC area for private schools is higher than the tuition clip in the Charlottesville area. So if you're two kids, if you're a family of four, Judah, and you're living in the DC Arlington, Alexandria area where the median family household income is $163,900, and you're like, we need to leave this rat race. My husband lost his job, the wife lost her job, whatever it may be. And you want to come down to the Charlottesville area.

You basically are looking at these, I look at these numbers all the time and I'm far from the smartest guy in the room. I know other people look at it this way. Okay, the Charlottesville area has got a median income of just call it 126,000. The Arlington, Alexandria DC area has a median family household income of 164,000. That's a difference of pretty sizable amount, right? And with the difference of that kind of sizability,

164 minus 126, 38K, where else can we save? Oh, goodness gracious, little Johnny and little Susie are in private schools in D.C., Arlington, and Alexandria, and their tuition is north of 30. Wow, the tuition here is in the 20 to 25 range. We can say 5 to 10,000, maybe 15,000 kid per tuition. And you start looking at these line items in the budget

and they start adding up. And when 500 people just use this kind of common sense reasoning and move down here, that has an impact on the economy. Neil Williamson pushes back on deep throat a little bit. He says deep throat has a point population of outlying counties total is 81,000 compared to Albemarle is 124K and Charlottesville 160K. Well Charlottesville is not 160K.

Outlying counties 81.ville's not 160K. Outline County's 81, Outmore, 112K. Charlottesville's what, in that 50K range? Legacy media, Daily Progress, Seaville Weekly, NBC29, CBS19, and the radio groups, you need to be reporting over the next few days on the HUD median family household income data that was released today. So daily progress, CBS19, NBC29, and the radio groups that are watching the show. The expectation for your viewers and listeners is that you take this HUD median family household data and turn it into news in the next 24 to 48 hours. Your viewers and listeners deserve this information. What is the next topic on the rundown, Jude?

Oh, next up we've got the protests. First off, you know it's going to be 80 degrees and sunny on Saturday. It's not so hot. What? Not so hot? 80 degrees and sunny on a Saturday? On the 5th of March? I'll take that every day twice on Sunday and once on Saturday during an anti-Tesla and

pro-Tesla protest. The 5th of April. The 5th of April, what did I say? March. The 5th of April, thank you for holding me accountable there. First my message to the protesters, in very respectful fashion of course. Why don't you go to the farmer's market? Why don't you play some golf or play some tennis? Why don't you ride your bicycle?

Why don't you take your German shepherd named Max for a walk? Why don't you get your two and a half year old in a stroller and push them around the neighborhood while your German Shepherd Max is walking next to the stroller. Play some basketball or go for a jog. In the grand scheme of things, what does a pro-Tesla and anti-Tesla protests accomplish? Does it move the needle in any capacity? Flip side of the coin. You won't know until you do it. What is the opportunity cost of a pro-Tesla and anti-Tesla protest in Stonefield? I can highlight some of the opportunity cost, okay? Opportunity cost obvious. Any of the corresponding shops in Stonefield,

their businesses are going to suffer because of this. Potentially. People that are holding up signs with a Musk face and a Swatska next to it are not going to go to Brooks Brothers and buy some pleated pants and some Oxford button downs. And people that go to Stonefield on Saturday and hold a sign that is Musk face and what's the opposite of a Swastika for the pro- muska? Is there an opposite?

Must face and some cherry pies? Is it some cherry pies? The people that go to Stonefield and have a sign that has must face and some cherry pies next to it, they're not going to go to Grit Coffee and buy some double mocha latte grande foamy ice coffee with a twist. They might shoot. I mean, heck, you know, if I walk into grit coffee with a protest poster of must face and a cherry pie on it while waiting in line for their double latte twist twist, foam, mocha, grande? I mean, they can always stash it in their car before they go to grit.

They're going to Stonefield to protest. And they're bringing their coffee in their hand. You think? How long are they going to be there? Would you say that pro protest? You don't think anyone's going to end the protest when they get done with the protest? They're just, you know.

You're going to go shop for some pleated pants and some Oxford button downs from Brooks Brothers? What do you think they're going to end the pro when they get done with the protest, they're just, you know, you're going to go shop for some pleated pants and some Oxford button downs from Brooks Brothers. What do you think they're gonna do? Or some baseball caps at mincers and some mesh. Drive to a bar and start high five on each other. Okay, can I ask I hate to answer a question with a question. This is one of the absolute items, absolute personality traits that I despise the most. I attribute using the answer I don't know

to the dog ate my homework, they're in the same category, they're second cousins, and answering questions with questions is a bugaboo, is that the ring? Is a bugaboo of mine? I don't know. Would you say? Pe is good for incremental sales revenue? Would you say a protest is good for driving

incremental business? No. Every business on Saturday is gonna suffer because of this in Stonefield. Every business on Saturday is going to suffer because of this in Stonefield. Every business. You think you think a protest is going to keep every a significant number of people away from Stonefield? Yes.

Yes, I do. Absolutely I do. Do we know the area they're taking up? I'm not I haven't actually seen the protests over there. So a protest is, is, is I mean, how many, this is the poster from indivisible Charlottesville. Can you put me on screen? You're on screen. Okay. Is it, is this my camera right here? Yeah. Hands off. Okay. Look at the screen. This is Trump's face and must face and hands off.

And it straight up says the shops at Stonefield on it. And gives the day and time. There's not a chance in hell my wife and the disposable income she has is going to go to Stonefield at this time. And certainly not bring our children. My wife doesn't care about this. Right? I think most people don't.

But she ain't going to, what she does care is I'm not going to go there. But how many people do you think are seeing that? A lot of people, dude. We're talking about it on the most watched and listened to platform in central Virginia. You know how many people hands off invisible Charlottesville has going to this protest? 71 as of now with 231 committed. No, 71 committed and 231 deciding and are on the fence. I would not be surprised if there's more than 500 with combined on both sides. Does the shops of Stonefield get 500 shoppers at one time on a good day?

I would guess they do. 500? On a good day? On a good day. The shops of Stonefield, you think it's 500 shoppers on a good day on a good day the shops of stonefield you think it's 500 shoppers on a good day sure jenny who watching the program her photo on screen i find the anti-tesla protesters extremely selfish she says if you don't like elon and doge you can find a better way than harming people's livelihoods and intimidating others many of whom who did not buy their vehicle for a political statement.

I'll add this, a message to both the pro-Tesla protesters and the anti-Tesla protesters. It's Saturday afternoon at 1 p.m. on one of the first days of spring with 80 degrees and sunshine. It's the weekend. And you're saying, find something to do. Why are you risking violence getting spat on and standing with a group of strangers holding up musk and Swastika signs and musk and cherry pie signs instead of al fresco dining taking a walk or a hike, mountain biking, playing golf, having a mimosa.

You could do all those things. Going swimming. That day as well. Getting a massage. Just eating some dumplings. Watching, I mean. Bill McChesney, William McChesney watching the program. Vanessa Russell says, thanks for the idea, grit coffee for the good bean juice.

Bill McChesney says this, my phone is blowing up right now. On the pro-Musk folks who may show up with a trunk full of moonshine, I doubt it will affect Trader Joe's. Yeah, Trader Joe's is bananas. Why can't you buy toilet paper at Trader Joe's or tinfoil? Can't buy tinfoil, right? Is it tinfoil you can't buy at Trader Joe's? I've never been there.

Never been to Trader Joe's? No. Is that on the Judah list? No. You've never been to Trader Joe's? What was on the Judah list? I've never had a photo taken with Santa Claus. I've never been to Trader Joe's. What was on the Judah list? I've never had a photo taken with Santa Claus. I've never been to Chick-fil-A, although you just crossed that off your list recently.

What else was on the list? You have the list? Yeah. I've never been to Trader Joe's on that list. Does that get added to the list? What's on the list? It's probably already on there. Let me find it.

Let me find it. Come on. Judah's looking for the never been on the list. Georgia Gilmer says, this is a peaceful protest along the public sidewalk starting with the intersection of Route 29 and Hydraulic Road. A core principle behind all hands-off events is a commitment to nonviolent action. That's what they said at the last protest when a grown-ass man spit on teenagers, Georgia.

What did she say? She says this is a nonviolent protest. It's hands-off. I understand that's what they're saying. But at the last hands-off protest, a a grown ass man spit on teenagers on video. Some people just can't contain their, uh, it was caught on video. We saw the video and we just heard from the Commonwealth attorney that that's assault. Yeah, I do remember hearing someone asking on the video, hey, this guy's assaulting us?

Yeah. Anybody can do something about this? What is the, what's on the Judas Never Done List before? We've got photo with Santa, float the James River, and I don't know why watch Yellowstone is on there, but. Never watch Yellowstone. No, I don't have Paramountount and it's not really my kind of show anyways okay you've never had a photo with Santa Claus taken in your

entire life that speaks for itself that I remember do we need to ask your parents probably you've never if you really want to know you I don't know if they do it has never met Santa Claus in his entire life. I didn't say that. You've met Santa Claus? I mean, I've seen them, right? OK. Judas never met.

What do you mean, if I meet Santa? You've never met Santa Claus. I've never met some old guy dressed as Santa. I've met many Santa. I've met Santa Claus many times, with little ears watching the program. I've met Santa Claus many times with little ears watching the program. I've met Santa Claus many times. Never float the James River.

Never watch Yellowstone. I think we should put never shopped at Trader Joe's on that list. Never shopped at Trader Joe's? Is there some reason you think I should be shopping at Trader Joe's? I'm just, you know, surprised. You're surprised I've never gone there? It just surprises me that you've never shopped at Trader Joe's. It's out of my way.

Okay. It's like, not only is it out of my way, if I was heading in that direction to shop for groceries, I would be driving past two grocery stores to go there. Stephanie Wells-Rhodes makes a great point on YouTube. If these people are crazy enough to spend their day protecting a Tesla dealership that is not even open yet, the craziest of the, the most insanity of these two protests is the Philip Andrew, I hope Philip Andrew Hamilton hears this.

The most insanity of any of these protests is Philip Andrew Hamilton led pro-Tesla dealership protest. And he's protesting. In their defense. I can't wait to hear this. And their defense. And their defense. Just as it was pointed out that the anti Tesla protest is not just an anti Tesla protest. So too, the pro Tesla protest is not just a pro Tesla protest. I believe they're there to show whoever might be influenced by the anti-protest, that that's not the only story.

That the narrative is not just that this area is completely and utterly fallen to that kind of feature. Here's the Philip Andrew Hamilton protest posters. Is that on screen? Can I see that? Yeah. They can see that? Look at the screen.

It's on my phone. They can see that? Yeah. Philip Andrew Hamilton, the words on the protest poster. I see it. Show your support for the Charlottesville Tesla showroom and a picture of Elon Musk. And then he straight up calls out

Indivisible Charlottesville and the protest. Because it's as much an anti-indivisible protest as it is a protest-la protest. Philip Andrew Hamilton's posse is protesting a dealership that has no cars there and it's not open. Philip Andrew Hamilton is protesting a dealership that has no cars there, no cars, no Tesla cars, and is not even open.

Is that, I would say that's not worse. That's insanity. That's protesting against a Tesla gallery that hasn't even been built yet. This is insanity. This is absolute insanity. He's protesting a dealership that is not even open. It's just I find it absolute insanity. And Vanessa Parkhill says, Judah, Trader Joe's is the best. Easy in and out. Staff is always cheerful and they pack a grocery bag more efficiently than anyone I've ever seen I wonder if there used to be some sort of test on special relationship

Spatial relationships during the interview and the higher in that trader jokes. I do find myself having to tell tell my Grocers to lay the drinks down at the bottom who would protest a dealership that is not a dealership yet? Apparently a lot of people on both sides of the aisle. Do we think Elon Musk is hearing any of what's going on here? I'm sure he's hearing about a lot of Protests of this protest stuff and I know just motivates him He's the dark he's the dark triad personality He's a dark look at dark try. Yeah. Yeah, you told me I did look it up I don't I don't disagree with you. He's dark triad. I, look at dark triad. Yeah, yeah, you told me. I did look it up. I don't, I don't disagree with you.

He's dark triad. I know many a dark triad. They live on the, they, it motivates them. It's the fuel to their fire. Yeah. All right. It's 1 40 PM and one of our tenants out there is looking for the key to one of the suites upstairs that we talked to. She's 1.40 p.m. and one of our tenants out there is looking for the key to one of the suites upstairs that we talked to, she's outside. Okay. So we need to close the show. Do you want me to just go to you and give her the key?

Yeah. All right, you and the one down. Yeah. All right, what lower third do you have on there? I've got all the lower thirds. What are they, you have on there? Where do they wrote oh on the headlines very nicely done She should be right out front in the courtyard looking for the key there Jacobs If you want to just go out the front door This is we this is not the I love Siebel Network. It's not our top five

Priority here, it's actually real estate and brokerage The I Love Seville Network is not our top five priority here. It's actually real estate and brokerage. All right, I'll save this topic for tomorrow's show. How does the University of Virginia rebuild its battered brand? How does the University of Virginia rebuild its battered brand? I want you to think about it.

The basketball program is that the lowest it's low it's been since when Tony Bennett took the job. The football stadium is half empty for football games and the football program over the last three years has the least amount of wins of any of the power conferences. Tony Elliott is coaching for his job here, legitimately coaching for his job this season. The UVA health system has suffered a breach of integrity and character and trust. Its CEO resigned under pressure,

and past UVA leadership claims those that ousted the CEO did so because of greed. There's claims of white collar racketeering and fraud and medical chart changing and all kinds of bad juju. Students have been pepper sprayed. Football players have been murdered times three at the hands of another student who showed signs of violence and mental health

for years prior to murdering the football players. The president evidently ordered the state police to pepper spray students this past May. Greek and fraternity and sorority life is on its way out. Diversity, equity, and inclusion has imploded. How's it? The school's turned into a Ivy League instead of a public university.

We'll talk all these topics with Joel Gardner, the chairman of the Jefferson Council on Thursday's show. I also have the details of the Ryan Odom contract, three million two hundred fifty thousand dollar base salary, a six-year contract, and Ryan Odom, ladies and gentlemen, has a boatload of bonuses for winning championships and other things. That's the Tuesday edition of the I Love Cedal Show. We appreciate you joining us. So long everybody. Thank you..