The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - I Love CVille Will Publish Real Estate Sales Data; Why Spanberger's Approval Rating Floundering?

Episode Date: April 14, 2026

The I Love CVille Show headlines: I Love CVille Will Publish Daily Real Estate Sales Data Why Governor Spanberger’s Approval Rating Floundering? Trump Says Gas Prices May Stay High Beyond Midterms N...ikuyah Walker’s Conspiracy On Kochis, Platania Walker Suggests Police & District Attorney Pushing SROs Draft Taproom For Rent: $5,250 – $7,875/Month Based On SQF Draft Taproom v Littlejohn’s: Which Has More Upside? Need CVille Office & Commercial Space, Contact Jerry Read Viewer & Listener Comments Live On-Air The I Love CVille Show airs live Monday – Friday from 12:30 pm – 1:30 pm on The I Love CVille Network. Watch and listen to The I Love CVille Show on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, iTunes, Apple Podcast, YouTube, Spotify, Fountain, Amazon Music, Audible, Rumble and iLoveCVille.com.

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Starting point is 00:00:07 Welcome to the I Love Sevo Show, guys. My name is Jerry Miller, and thank you kindly for joining us on a Tuesday afternoon on the water cooler of content and conversation. This program encourages you, the viewer, and listener to shape the discussion, send us your story ideas and suggestions. And frankly, make the program each day your own, your own version of what you want to see, what you want to hear. And we'll consider it. We consider everything and anything. You know, we're looking to offer content that appeals and infuriates both sides of the voting aisle. We certainly hope so.
Starting point is 00:00:47 I sincerely mean that. I think the show has embodied that of late. Yeah. I literally had, I've literally in the last week on the I Love Seville Network, have had people in the comments section of the show ask me if I have held Joe Biden accountable with the same vigor. that I'm holding Donald Trump accountable. And then hours later, I had people say, oh, you've never held Donald Trump accountable like you did Joe Biden. And I'm like, God, make that make sense.
Starting point is 00:01:18 A lot we're going to cover on the home, on the show today. And we're going to talk an unhinged conspiracy theory from Nikaya Walker. yesterday back to back post on the former mayor's Facebook page that frankly speaking I'm questioning the motive and
Starting point is 00:01:42 the stability here of the author and we'll weave you in here Judah but it's a conspiracy theory from the former mayor that links chief conscious and Joe Plantania the police chief and the Commonwealth's attorney in some kind of conspiracy, web of deceit, some kind of cahoots
Starting point is 00:02:05 surrounding school resource officers, and last week's training effort at Charlottesville High School where police were on grounds. She believes all of it was theater, political and policing theater to reinforce the needs optics-wise for school resource officers. And then she offers a wakadoo
Starting point is 00:02:33 conspiracy theory of the police chief looking to lock up black and brown children from day one. I read it. I literally did a double take then read it a third time. Then I brought my phone this morning over to Judah's desk
Starting point is 00:02:49 and said, Judah, can you read this Did this not happen? Yeah. I said, Judah, you need to read this because I wasn't sure what I was reading. And then Judah read it and two shot you, Judah, two shot you. Are we going insane? I literally, we read this and we're like, what is happening here, right? And if she was not the former mayor, we would chalk this up to lunacy.
Starting point is 00:03:13 I mean. But because she's the former mayor, we got to talk about it. Would we call the guys in the white coats? it was unhinged. How would you characterize it? Your words, you're the consistency, the metronome of consistency on the show. I mean, I'm not sure if she made up facts in her mind that she's basing the rant on or if someone is whispering her ear that some of this stuff is true. But I don't, there's no basis. I keep hearing things. You know, people are complaining about,
Starting point is 00:03:52 uh, about, oh, hate speech. And, but, but nobody ever gives examples. And this is exactly like that. It's, it's, it's ranting about, uh, it's ranting about, uh, it's ranting about chief conscious saying that he was going to lock up the kids and
Starting point is 00:04:13 saying that he's kept his promise. Like, what? I, I just don't, I don't get it. We'll talk about it today. in the program. We're going to discuss Abigail Spanberger, the governor of Virginia. Dude, she's absolutely, absolutely floundering, not only with approval ratings, but her base, her supporters are running away from Abigail Spanberger right now. And I saw a recent poll. She was in the top 25 potential candidates for next presidential election cycle as the Democratic ticket, the top of the ticket for President, Abigail Spamberger, the choice for the
Starting point is 00:04:54 kingmakers in the party. Her first three and a half months here as the governor of the Commonwealth are tumultuous at best. Why is her approval and floundering, her rating of floundering, and why is her base fractured already? We'll talk about that on the show. And speaking of fractured bases. I talked about this yesterday on the I Love Seville show. Donald Trump with young Republicans, I'm talking younger Republicans. I got to air quotes here, younger
Starting point is 00:05:26 Republicans and younger that lean conservative, they are running away from Trump with this Iranian war and his efforts in the Middle East. Now Trump on record, this was CNBC an article on their front page that gas prices are going to stay
Starting point is 00:05:42 high potentially through midterms. I mean, I don't see how that was ever in question. 100%. But to have him say it, though? I mean, he's got a... He's normally the salesman. He has to temper...
Starting point is 00:05:57 He has to temper the expectations of the crowd. Agreed. When the midterms come, if they're still high, people will be like, you know, why is this happening? And if he says it now, then at least there's some decrease of expectation and people aren't quite so disaffected when midterms come around and the price of gas is killing us all. Okay, 100%. I'm 100% inclined to agree with you there. 100% I do agree with you there. But does this not dam or drive the soldering iron through the efforts of conservative candidates between now and November? I mean, he's straight up saying we are going to be in this position
Starting point is 00:06:40 through midterms with elevated gas. We're going to be in this position with, gasoline-fueled inflation. We had folks tied to the Fed saying interest rate cuts aren't going to happen anytime soon. Okay, because of gasoline-fueled inflation. Is he not effing Republican candidates come midterms by saying it this early instead of smoke and mirroring it
Starting point is 00:07:04 and allowing them to try to get their own foothold on whatever race they're running? I don't think so. I think he only cares about himself. He's doing this to Teflon Don himself, right? That's probably generally true, but at the same time, again, if people are going into the midterms without the expectation that gas prices are going to be low, that may actually be a good thing for conservative candidates who don't have to contend with why are things one way when you said
Starting point is 00:07:39 they're going to be another way. Print radio and television in Charlottesville, Crozet, Richie. and Lynchburg are watching our program right now. Logan Wells, Claylow, Stacey Baker, Patty, Sarah Hogan, watching the program right now. Like and share the show if you appreciate what we do here on the I Love Seville Network. We're going to talk draft tap room, officially for lease, the beleaguered draft tap room. The beer joint that closed, one of the first to close, interestingly.
Starting point is 00:08:15 at the onset of COVID. Jesus, draft tap room Judah's been closed for six years. I know. Somebody posted the question that I assume everyone's been asking for those six years. How do you pay rent on a space for six years without doing anything with it? I think the answer is you don't. You just decide not to pay? You're now getting sued by the masons who owned the building. the Masonic Lodge. I have some intimate knowledge of what's going on here. This came up and across my desk late last week. In fact, it came up when I brought Tray to work.
Starting point is 00:08:57 Our oldest son to work, I think that was on Thursday, received a phone call while he was in the car. I've been bringing Tray to work a lot more. He's been meeting our tenants. He's been getting to know the real estate portfolio. He's been sitting in on meetings and on conference calls asking questions about deal flow on thursday he graced us with his presence i thought he was extremely charismatic well-behaved and well-spoken tray is eight years old i am so proud of this
Starting point is 00:09:25 young man young man in fact i'm proud of both our boys you don't see as much content on zachary our three-year-old because let's cut to the chase we brought zachary to a birthday party on on saturday uh with one of our buddies it was a family birthday party and he had to go to the bathroom. And as I mentioned on yesterday's show, he pulled his shorts down and his Spider-Man Tidy Whiteies and just started peeing right next to the white fence in the middle of the party. So we have to be careful with Zachary. Okay. I have no doubt he's going to blossom into a fantastic young man. He has all the great tendencies of Trey. In fact, courageous, outgoing, fearless, never met a stranger, so much upside with Zachary. But until this young man stops eating his boogers and pulling
Starting point is 00:10:12 his you know what out of his shorts in the middle of a birthday party. We got to be really careful when there's cameras and microphones around. Okay? I just got to be very straightforward here. Trey, we don't have to worry about that right now. Thank goodness. So he's going to meetings. He was on a conference call on Thursday with, got to be careful of what I'm saying here. Folks tied to the draft tap room lease that has been unpaid for an extended period of time. The lease is is now being marketed and promoted and presented, depending on if you want the basement or not,
Starting point is 00:10:51 the lease is anywhere from $5,000 to $8,000 a month, depending on how much square feet you want, as little as five, as much as eight, you're on the hook for utilities here. I'm going to compare and contrast the draft tap room space on the downtown mall, which I think is a good location. It's not on the right side of the mall.
Starting point is 00:11:08 I think the best side of the mall we all agree on is the Omni Hotel side of the mall and not the Ting Pavilion side of the mall. I think that's obvious to anyone from an eye test standpoint. But how about a comparison and, you know, a comparison and what's the opposite? The comparison.
Starting point is 00:11:24 Comparing contrast. Thank you. To draft Taproom in Little Johns. Well, pick that apart, Judah Wickhauer and I, and ask for your opinion on that one. I also want to talk on today's show about a new idea we're going to roll out in the I Love Seville Network. In fact, why don't we lead with that?
Starting point is 00:11:46 First, I'll give some attention if you want to put Stanley Martin Holmes, one of our partners on screen. Stanley Martin Holmes is dedicated to building homes that cater to each person's unique needs and lifestyles. Our high-quality, Stanley Martin homes, single-family homes, townhomes, and condominiums are designed and constructed with innovative techniques that ensure exceptional efficiency and aesthetic appeal. Stanley Barton Holmes uses design features and technology to enhance your living experience. Stanley Barton Holmes is the most prolific custom home builder and developer in central Virginia, period bar none. The units and the prolific nature of this the developer speaks for itself. I mean, they are doing significant production in Green County, folks. Significant production.
Starting point is 00:12:35 So here's something that came across my desk. I routinely scour and analyze the data on the Charlottesville GIS and the Almer County GIS, the daily real estate transactions. Who owned what? Who sold what? Who bought what? The price it was traded for, assessments. on a daily basis I'm looking at the city in Almore County.
Starting point is 00:13:10 Almore County G.I.S. is a piece of crap. I'm going to be very straightforward. Almore County, Jeff Richardson, you're the county executive. Whoever in your office is responsible for the Almore County GIS, they need to be sitting in the corner next to Zachary and Max the German Shepherd after they take our honey bunches of oats cereal box, spread it all over the living room floor. I walk in on the morning and Zachary's on all floors with Max on all fours looking for the honey bunches and the oats, licking them off our hardwoods together. That happened a couple of days ago. Immediately Zachary and Max had to sit in the corner in timeout. I asked Zachary, why are you in time out? He told me the dog got me into trouble because that makes perfect sense, Zachary.
Starting point is 00:14:00 And how about a happy birthday to Max, the family German Shepherd, 12. years old yesterday. Wow, impressive. Max, the family German Shepherd. He currently is on a diet instead of four scoops of kibble. He gets three scoops of kibble unless the Miller family is out of town in the northeast, often in South Hampton, and Uncle Judah is watching Maximus Miller. And then next thing you know, when we return after a week or two weeks, Maximus Miller is looking a bit portly, Judah. Portly, Judah. Your dog is rail thin. He's
Starting point is 00:14:36 12 years old. He's a German shepherd. We're concerned about his joints. He has a three-year-old that's trying to ride him as if he was Jenna Jameson over here or Nikki Benz. Was that past PG-13 right there?
Starting point is 00:14:53 Was that past PG-13? Did you really reference Jenna Jameson? How about Mickey Benz? In the same sentence as your son? Oh, come on, you're ridiculous. Does that pass PG-13 right there? I thought that was pretty funny. People are loving that on the feet right there.
Starting point is 00:15:08 Robert Garrison's giving that some props. All right, a lot I want to cover. So the real estate sales data. I scour the real estate sales data on the GIS's of Almore and Charlottesville in particular. We are going to, maybe as early as this afternoon, but probably most likely tomorrow, perhaps Thursday morning, but this week, start publishing daily transaction data with Charlottesville first and then we'll roll it out with Almore County and potentially some of the other counties on the I Love Seville Network.
Starting point is 00:15:47 Something new. I'm prepping you. I'm setting expectations here. Maybe that's what Trump is doing with the gas prices like Judah was saying earlier. earlier, regardless, it's headwinds for Conan Owen and his bet with me, the proposition bet by Memorial Day of where gasoline prices are going to be. I'm already like licking my lips for the McCallin 12 bottle that I believe I have coming from Conan Owen to me. Conan McCallon 12, don't forget. We're going to put the sales data, Judah, behind a paywall. It takes a while to scrub the GIS's and then to aggregate and publish them on I Love Seville. either want it or you don't. It's okay with us either way. You can go find the data yourself,
Starting point is 00:16:33 the time that you're going to spend trying to track this data down, the daily sales transaction data in Alboro and Charlottesville. I guarantee you it's going to take a hell of a lot longer than the $8 a month. We're going to ask you for this data along with some other additional content we're going to put behind a paywall. We've had tremendous success doing this with a partner Jerry Rackleff and his paywall, Jerry Rackleff.com. very proud to work alongside him with what is a booming business. We're going to offer some premium content on I Love Seville. And folks, it's effort to put this content together.
Starting point is 00:17:07 So we believe it has value. And we'll ask for $8. This show will always remain free. Never worry about that. It will always be the water cooler of content and conversation. But additional content we're going to provide to you behind a paywall here on the I Love Seville Network. Abigail Spamberger lead
Starting point is 00:17:25 Do you want to go Nakaya Walker lead? Let's go Nakaya Walker lead. Okay? Nakaya Walker lead. There's two headlines that we need to put on screen for Nakaya Walker.
Starting point is 00:17:35 Where should I begin with this Nakaya Walker storyline, Judah? I think I probably need to read the Nakaya Walker post. Yeah. Start with the lower one, I think. Do you have them in front of you? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:50 Okay. Judah Wickhauer, you take the show here. All right. First, the time stamps. I asked you to take the show, then I started talking. I apologize. Who, what, when, where, why? Who what, when, where, why first?
Starting point is 00:18:01 We've got a rather short, a short Facebook post from Monday. This was at 548 yesterday evening, where she asks the question, is it possible that the active shooter, I'm not sure why she put that in quotes, The active shooter 911 call at CCS last week, which apparently was a police training. I used apparently because I didn't inquire. Was strategically executed so the community would believe it needs cops, all in caps. In schools, stop letting leaders pimp you psychologically. That was one Facebook post where she's alleging last week.
Starting point is 00:18:50 Charlottesville Police Department training exercise at Charlottesville High School was nothing more than staged political and policing theater to create the perception that school resource
Starting point is 00:19:06 officers were paramount to the high school safety, longevity, and success. That's her first conspiracy theory, former Mayor Nakaya Walker. Second conspiracy theory. Judah Wickhauer. Her next Facebook host came out, let's see, 31 minutes later, 6.19 p.m. Monday, yesterday evening, where she says, and I don't know if she actually believes this. I think what this one right here is the most egregious, but go ahead.
Starting point is 00:19:41 Yeah, I agree. I'm not sure where she's getting any of these facts. But she says, imagine if CCS, conscious and Platanian, had advocated this strongly for funding to expand and train CSAs or expand mental health services or create new specialist positions in core areas or for housing, career, or salary increases for parent of the students they want to police. CCS has failed to educate and want to blame the kids. They failed kids when SRS. were present and they've continued to fail them since we removed them. Kachis told us during his first interview that he planned to lock our kids up.
Starting point is 00:20:30 He has kept his word. He installed flock cameras to surveil you, attempted to criminalize homelessness, and is a staunch advocate for cops, in caps, in schools. Am I the only one seeing the trend here? Prosecutor Plotania has continued to play both good and bad. top cop with precision. Way to go, Joe. I'm glad we live in a community
Starting point is 00:20:55 that punches above its weight class. It's so progressive and innovative here. If you can't make it here, you can't make it anywhere. Shame on you if you are struggling because the leaders are doing their part. I think she got lost at the end. I don't know if she's saying
Starting point is 00:21:15 what she wants to say there, but for the rest of it, I mean, it's just, if anybody out there can show me where Kachis in any interview said that he planned to lock up our kids, I would love, I'd love to see it. Well, I can answer that. I can answer that.
Starting point is 00:21:37 He didn't say that. I don't think he did either. Oh, you don't think. I know I can speak with confidence and conviction that he did not say that. Confidence in conviction, he did not say that. Why? Can I say that with confidence and conviction? Because if you said that in any place of a job interview, you would not get the job,
Starting point is 00:21:56 certainly not in left-leading Charlottesville City, Virginia. Yeah. Okay. That's why I can speak with confidence and conviction. Secondly, she alludes to a Charlottesville Police Department training session at Charlottesville High School that was political and policing theater, basically her words. What she fails to mention in that unhinged commentary is it was spring, break. It was spring break. It was spring break. It was spring break. It was spring break when that
Starting point is 00:22:28 training seminar happened at Charlottesville High School. There were no kids at the school. It was spring break. They chose when kids were not in school to do the police exercise, the training seminar. If there was any conspiracy theory to spook the communities into thinking that SROs were parable to success, that would be done during the actual classroom school day when butts were in desk and in seats. This, however, was spring break. My kid was out of school. Charlottesville High School was out of school. The perfect time to do those training seminars. She did not mention that in that commentary, and she knew it was spring break. She knew it was spring break. Port emphasize. Okay. Next,
Starting point is 00:23:20 this this this commitment to SROs for for uh or what she says is this conspiracy theory for SROs that's that's that's that's that's got Plotania and chief cautious in cahoots is is is is is is lunacy let me explain to you why do you know how many jobs the SROs are going to create I could probably count them on one hand you can know I can count them on one hand if this was instead a hundred jobs. Okay. But the fact that you can count these jobs that the school resource officers are on one hand shows that this is not a prolific amount of spending or police resources that are being created by these positions. Another thing that's extremely important to emphasize here, are you ready for this? The school board voted in favor of the SROs. Right. The school board used process. The school board used
Starting point is 00:24:17 fireside chats. They invited the parents and the faculty and folks in the community to have a discussion with them about SROs. Is it a divided issue? Yes. Do a lot of teachers want SROs in the schools?
Starting point is 00:24:36 Yes. Do some teachers, Shannon Gilliken, who's a kindergarten teacher, not want SROs in the schools? Yes. Last I checked, the kindergarten teacher, the only thing they're fearful of is catching a cheerio to the eye, maybe a lucky charm to the nose. Watch out for the marshmallowed rainbow or the marshmallowed horseshoe, Shannon Gilligan.
Starting point is 00:25:01 That's a hell of a lot different than the senior, than the calculus teacher that's got an eye out for a right hook or a brawling student body like happened two years ago when the school had to close. Let's gain some perspective here. The fact is a process was followed, a democratic vote was had, it passed in majority, school resource officers were approved, they were backed and also presented, pushed, suggested by the superintendent, back, promoted, pushed by the faculty. Can we get over this story already? And I'm tired. I'm tired of this. These are my words, okay? I'm passionate about this.
Starting point is 00:25:43 I'm tired of the race baiting from Nakaya Walker. This is race baiting what she is doing. And I hope she's watching the program right now. And in fact, I would invite Nakaya Walker to come on the program anytime she want. She already has come on once. Do we have a photo of Nakia Walker on the I Love Seville Network we can put on screen? In fact, carry the show, Judah. Carry the show.
Starting point is 00:26:06 I'll grab the photo. Let them know what I'm doing. Jerry is grabbing a photo. We have a photo of he and Nikiah Walker sharing the same room. Right here. I'm holding it. Can they see this? They can down a little bit.
Starting point is 00:26:23 There you go. That's, that's do it. Okay, right here. Come back in the Kyle Walker. I am tired of the race baiting. Yeah. School resource officers are not a pipeline to prison. You know what a pipeline to prison is?
Starting point is 00:26:40 committing crimes, doing bad stuff. That's a pipeline to prison. Having a police officer that's vetted and held accountable by a reputable police chief who's made more positive impact on the community since he's gotten hired, probably more than anyone that I can point to that's an employee of Charlottesville City. I sincerely mean that. I sincerely mean that about Chief Kachis. he's not going to allow some rogue SRO to walk the hallways of Charlottesville High School looking to pipeline to prison black and brown students.
Starting point is 00:27:19 That's not the cautious I know or the community knows. Stop the race baiting. Put in your unhinged commentary that it was spring break and the kids were not there. Put in your unhinged commentary that the SROs create a handful of positions less than five. and he never said anything about arresting kids of marginalized socioeconomic status in the job interview. I can't imagine. Can't imagine who would hire somebody who says that,
Starting point is 00:27:56 especially in Charlottesville. It also doesn't fit anything he said since then. I was even hesitant to talk about this. I was hesitant to talk about this because we've seen this unhinged commentary for an extended period of time. But why we have to talk about it is because it gained traction because she was the former mayor. That's why we had to talk about it.
Starting point is 00:28:19 If a $10 an hour, $12 an hour, part-time parks and rec employee was not voted into the mayor of Charlottesville and a city counselor, we would never have talked about this. But at one time in Charlottesville City, its dynamic was so vulnerable and fragile that its constituents and its democracy, it's voting. public thought it was a good idea to have a part-time $12 an hour parks and rec employee that was working a turnstile in a front desk and vote them into an office where they manage a couple hundred million dollars of city budget. Make that make sense. And you know what is interesting is we're all impacted by this. We're all affected by this. All of us. Anything you want to add to that, Judah Wickhauer, as William McChesney, two TV stations, one newspaper, both radio stations, have staff members watching and tracking the show per usual.
Starting point is 00:29:22 You want to add to that before we go to the next topic? Yeah, I mean, first of all, I'm not sure, again, where she's getting these facts, but for her to call them out as if they were the ones that are forcing SROs on the schools is obviously crazy. And then to come out and say that conscious and platania should be advocacy. for all these should be advocating for expanding mental health services, creating new specialist positions. I mean, how is that something that conscious and or Plotania should be including on their resumes? Exactly. The folks, the police chief and the Commonwealth's attorney are not
Starting point is 00:30:08 the mental health advocates. And I will tell you right now, Commonwealth's attorney Joe Plantania, lenient than he is heavy-handed with the sentences that he pursues and offers grace with folks that come before him with the sentences he's pursuing and giving them grace when it comes to mental health rehabilitation second chances. I think we've called him out before when somebody that was given one of those lenient second chances went out and was running around with a gun. I don't remember the exact details. but yeah. And then we've got her claiming that somehow cautious installed the flock cameras.
Starting point is 00:30:53 I mean, I don't think that was his job. I don't think it was even the police department's job. How about the fact when she says in this commentary that it was conscious that was trying to criminalize the homeless? That's the worst one. That's absolute. That's a lie. And I keep seeing that same misunderstanding. I'm going to be kind and call it a misunderstanding. not a lie. You're way too kind. But I've seen it far too often where people either on, where people on social media are claiming that somehow Cautius was the one that put forth that we should be arresting the homeless, when in reality the no camping ban was the product of the Charlottesville
Starting point is 00:31:39 City Council. It was City Council who instructed Cotius to put a presentation together about no camping and no storage of your possessions. After asking the, after asking the city, the city attorney and Cotches and others to put it together. If anybody thinks that Cotchus was sitting at home drafting a, drafting a law to go on the books, I don't know what to say to you. You're, you're crazy. Yeah, this is, he's a policeman. He's not, he's not a, he's not a, he's not a, he's not a, he's not legislator. He's not sitting around reading law books trying to figure out how to make this airtight. This was not created by him. It was created by others at the behest of the city council and to place it at cautious' feet is, what's the word I'm looking for?
Starting point is 00:32:36 Shameful, disingenuous, spineless, they allowed, misinformed. They allowed the police chief to to get ripped by activists to this day instead of saying in that meeting where he presented the no camping ordinance and the no sheltering and public ordinance instead of saying it was us who instructed the police chief to do this. We asked for this.
Starting point is 00:33:02 We can see you're not happy about it. So we're going to table it. No, it's just, uh, we're going to table this and never talk about it again. Right. And pretend that it wasn't our idea. You know who should be advocating for the mental health services,
Starting point is 00:33:16 former mayor, Jen Fleischer, the city councilor, who works in mental health services. There's a starting point. We've spent entirely too much time on what should be nothing but a nothing Berg story from somebody that had too many white claws, okay, and decided to go keyboard muscling. Maybe, I don't know, you think white claws are a drink of choice? I have no idea. I don't think white claws. I have no idea.
Starting point is 00:33:48 Somehow I doubt it. But this right here is, and the only reason it goes from a nothing burg story, a nothing burger story to a something burger story, is because she's the former mayor. She's the former mayor. That's why. And that's unfortunate. And that shows you elections have consequences.
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Starting point is 00:34:41 They also have a sister company, Charlottesville Swimming Pool Company, that takes care of the Miller family swimming pool, Charlottesville Swimming Pool Company, above ground, in ground, water testing, pool robots, swimming pool covers, swimming pool shade, Charlottesville Swimming Pool Company. Judah Wickhauer, the next headline I'd like to cover on the I Love Seville Show is,
Starting point is 00:35:01 why don't we go to draft tap room? Now draft tap room officially for lease. This business was one of the first to close during COVID. You can lease either. 3,000 square feet, which is the first floor of draft tap room, or if you want the basement, it's an additional 1,500 square feet. That will take you to 4,500 total square feet. How do you even get to the basement?
Starting point is 00:35:28 There's access to the basement in the back. I've been in the basement of draft tap room. I don't see how you could potentially do this draft tap room concept without the basement. The lease, this shows you how full. far behind the folks are on rent that owns this. Okay. The Masonic Lodge is the owner of the draft tap room building space next to it, the building in totality.
Starting point is 00:35:58 This used to be where Alex George's just Curry was located. Alex George was at one time the frontman of Commonwealth Skybar and an owner partner in Commonwealth Skybar along with Richard Averyt and a few other people. Draft Tap Room, Rick Wompler, the owner of Draft Taproom. Draft Taproom, one of the first businesses to close at the onset of COVID. It's been shuttered for six years. An N-cap position on the downtown mall has been shuttered for six years. Somehow, disgraced and fallen restaurateur,
Starting point is 00:36:44 Stefan Friedman wheezzled his way into draft taproom. Rent is so far behind on draft tap room that the Masonic Lodge, according to a conversation I had last week, Trey was on the call. I'm not speaking at a turn because this is about to be public record, is going to pursue significant legal action to try to get some of the back due rent. the phone call went to me how should we go about this i said you might be throwing good money after bad money and they said why so jerry because the owner in particular stephan freeman owes money to everyone all over town you're late to file get in line yeah i would imagine there's perhaps some kind of
Starting point is 00:37:39 bankruptcy being considered here. But you're late to file, extremely late. Tip-top Terry Vasuli. I always mention up, mess up Tip-Top Terry's last name. I'm just going to call him Tip-top Terry. He's going after these guys for significant back rent at another location. Little Johns Michael's Bistro spot. So $21 a square foot plus utilities.
Starting point is 00:38:06 Let's take the 3,000 square foot number, Judah, you write this down. 3,000 times $21 a square foot. 63,000 for the year. 63,000, divide that by 12, $5,250 per month for just the $3,000, plus you're paying the utilities. Let's take the top number, Judah, $4,500 times that by 21, $94,500, divided by 12 months in a year, $7,875 the top number. Write that down, $7,875. So you're looking at rent, if you want the 3,000 square feet for draft tap room,
Starting point is 00:38:47 $5,250 a month. If you want the $4,500 with the basement, $7,875 a month plus utilities. That's a lot of rent you've got to cover. A lot of rent you have to cover. This lease is being, marketed and promoted as being fully equipped to reawaken the
Starting point is 00:39:11 former concept. That means the landlords, the building owner is like dude, you're not taking your effing equipment out of here. You owe us so much money. We are going to try to recoup some of our back rent by taking
Starting point is 00:39:28 your equipment, repoing your equipment and leasing the space as is to someone else with the hope and a prayer that whoever takes this space is going to find it appealing because it's turnkey ready to go. I've told the story multiple times on the show about a biotechnology lab. I'm not going to say which one, although I should. I'm not going to say where, although I should, but that would docks the tenant that owed so much money.
Starting point is 00:39:58 We were tasked with the responsibility. My firm was taken what? how much was on our inventory list when we initially had to start selling the biotech equipment. It's like 130 grand. Yeah, it was three pages. Three pages of biotechnology equipment. You want to know one of the most difficult things I've done, being somewhat of slightly above-average intelligence, having to sell biotechnology equipment of words tied to equipment that I can't even pronounce.
Starting point is 00:40:31 I have a hard time saying What are the words that I have a hard time saying over here, Judah? Oh man, you want me to read them off? Oh, Judah's got a list. I can't even talk. How the hell am I going to sell biotechnology equipment? What are the words on the list, Judah? Here we go.
Starting point is 00:40:50 We got death nail. God, the death nail is terrible. I'm going to stick the deaf nail into him. Oh, we got prickulate. Let's prickulate somebody. I had to prickulate. sell a prickulator from my tenant, the biotechnology they got behind on rent. Kiosces.
Starting point is 00:41:08 Those damn kioskses. Crackle barrel. Those crackers at the crackle barrel? And there's another one, but I'm trying to, I can't remember what is. You can remember it, Judah. Oh, it's a longer word. I think maybe it starts with a D. I can't remember it.
Starting point is 00:41:27 It was a hundred, you want to know something about me? And I say this oftentimes on the show. I do few things well. But the three or four things that I do well, I do better than anyone in a 300,000-person region and as good as, it's probably better than just about anyone in the Commonwealth of Virginia. And if you can find two to four things that you do better than anyone else in the world or better than anyone else in your community, anyone else in your state, you can make a boatload of money, ladies and gentlemen. I'm going to be very straightforward. You're the best garbage can cleaner out there. you can make a boatload of money
Starting point is 00:42:02 cleaning garbage cans and residential neighborhoods. Literally there's businesses that do that. I am really, really, really, really, really, really, really good at putting people together, putting deals together, solving problems and getting stuffed moved. We took $130,000 or so in biotechnology equipment and within six months had sold it all for about $55 to $0.50 to $0.50 to recoup a substantial amount
Starting point is 00:42:31 of back rent and to frankly speaking take a biotechnology lab and put them out of business because they couldn't do anything with their biotechnology lab without their biotechnology equipment and they couldn't get their biotechnology equipment because the door was locked because the rent was bastu but you know what that's what happens when you don't pay your rent and that's what happens when draft tap room they're leasing the space as is with the equipment equipment, fully equipped. Find me an entrepreneur, Judah, that's going to spend $5,300 to $7,900 a month to lease that space. Seriously, find me one.
Starting point is 00:43:21 Word on the street, the scuttle butt on the street is South Street breweries got a new tenant in place. Wow. That's great. A restaurant tenant for South Street brewery. That's the chitter-chatter on the street. So be prepared for that kind of announcement. That's on the near horizon. Eastern Tennessee's Jeremy Wilson is watching the program.
Starting point is 00:43:44 Conan Owen is watching the program. And he has a zinger about Michael Payne. He says, so does that, so that makes Michael Payne a significant upgrade and professional management experience to Mayor Nakaya Walker, right? See, the zing that he's doing there is my zinc. Mine wasn't even a zinc against Nikai, Walker. Nakaya Walker was a Parks and Rec employee part
Starting point is 00:44:09 time when she got the job, when she was voted to city council. Conan Zing is Michael Payne was his only source of work is the $18,000 he's making on city council and he just recently moved out of his parents' house. This is where
Starting point is 00:44:25 Judah... I didn't say anything. Okay. This is normally where you say something though. I'll give you a look. I think the voters should know that they've voted for a second term, a mid-30s individual that lives at home with his parents and just recently moved out of
Starting point is 00:44:43 Mommy and Daddy's house. And he's responsible for a couple hundred million dollars of budget that he's managing. Deep Throats photo on screen. He's probably right. He says at this point, I think we have to stop giving Nakaya Walker's comments and
Starting point is 00:45:01 antics oxygen. Maybe instead give her drugs for her psychosis. That's from Deep Throat, right? there. Deep throat's words, not mine. Number one in the family. Ginny Who, watching the program. Have you ever seen
Starting point is 00:45:17 the compilation of Al Sharpton mispronouncing things? Jerry is trying to give him a run for his money. There's some other ones I mispronounce. Oh, there's definitely some other ones. Where's that list? I did one the other day.
Starting point is 00:45:34 Where I asked the straight of Homoos Hamoos? Straight of Hormel, Chile. A lot of it's done, a lot of it's genuinely authentically mispronounce. A lot of it's also tongue-in-cheeked for the sake of entertainment of this talk show.
Starting point is 00:45:51 There's a word that... Most of it's actually mispronounce. There's a word that's something about, it's like, I think it's a synonym of destroyed or, I can't remember what it is, but you say it, you've said it a bunch of times and it's, I wish I could remember it. Anyways.
Starting point is 00:46:11 3,000 to 4,500 square feet, Derek Bond. 3,000 to 4,500 square feet. He's the owner of Mo's barbecue on Ivy Road and the melting pot. 3,000 to 4,500 square feet. Happy to talk with you about that, Derek. Go ahead, Judah. No, I'm getting nothing. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:46:33 Good. That's good. Owen Brenner says, there are dudes building a deck outside Commonwealth Skybar right now. What's going on? I can offer some insight into that. I was literally sitting on the third floor of the building right across from Commonwealth Skybar.
Starting point is 00:46:50 Not across the mall, but next to it on the other side of Fifth Street where unfortunately something awful happened over the weekend. I'm not going to offer airtime to what happened over the weekend in downtown Charlottesville Friday into Saturday morning outside of the fact that I'm confident that the police chief in the Charlottesville Police Department are going to find this scoundrel, this POS ASAP. Okay. And one thing that Plaintania doesn't mess around is what that POS did on Friday into Saturday on the downtown mall, and I'll leave it at that.
Starting point is 00:47:23 Nor should he. The nor should he, right? 100%. $11,000 is the asking rent for Commonwealth Skybar, $11,000 a month. $11,000 a month. $11,000 a month. They are doing significantly remodeling and renovation now. The owner is Alan Kajeeen, the bi-coastal attorney, who's one of the most significant
Starting point is 00:47:50 real estate owners in City of Charlottesville. Alan Kajin off the top of my head. He owns the Rapture Restaurant building. Alan Kajin off the top of my head owns the Commonwealth Skybar building. Alan Kajin off the top of my head owns the Wow Wing Cafe building. Alan Kajin off the top of my head owns the Main Street market, the purple building on Main Street. Where, what's the restaurant that's over there? I'm drawing a blank.
Starting point is 00:48:24 Oh, starts with an O. You should know this. I know I should. I can't. Ramba. Ken Vincent is the owner. No, Ken Vincent's my former fraternity brother. Ken Wooten is the owner. We look like idiots not knows. Orzo. Orzo.
Starting point is 00:48:42 Orzo is. Alan Kajin, I can tell you all the buildings that Alan Kajin owns, but I couldn't come up with Orzo. Alan Kajin owns the public fish and oyster building. Alan Kajin owns the building where shenanigans toy store is, where that financial building, financial business next to shenanigans is, where one bridal salon is in the back, he owns that. He owns a ton of real estate. And Alan Kijin has less ties to Charlottesville City now that Gabe Silverman, his late, great partner passed away. That was his ties to Charlottesville, Gabe Silverman, the architect. And I've been told that Alan Kajin's children, the next generation of
Starting point is 00:49:23 Kajins, what nothing to do with his real estate. I would imagine if Alan Kajin is a partner with Ludwig Kootenor in Ix Park, the Art Park, and the actual buildings at Ix. Kajin owns a piece of all of that. We're talking one of the most prolific real estate owners in the city of Charlottesville, trophy properties everywhere for Alan Kajin. I'm in a conversation in a meeting Monday
Starting point is 00:49:50 in a building, is Kattie Corner across? What is, adjacent is next door? Adjacent, yeah, adjacent is like... Would you call adjacent, would you call it the professional center of the building next to Commonwealth Skybar that's overlooking Skybar, but still on the other side of Fifth Street adjacent? I wouldn't. You know, our former offices were in the third floor of the professional center. You know whose office I was in. Don't have to say who it is.
Starting point is 00:50:23 You're saying is the professional center adjacent to Skybar. Yeah. I wouldn't call it adjacent. Okay. Would you just say next door? I'd say across the street. But across the street would give the impression it's across the downtown mall. Then you'd say across fifth.
Starting point is 00:50:39 Okay. Next door. Yeah. Okay. Kind of. Looking at Commonwealth Skybar. They want 11K for that a month. 11K for a sky bar, monthly rent.
Starting point is 00:50:52 And that's everything top to bottom? Soup to nuts? No, you're still covering your utility. No, no. I mean, you get the balcony. You get the first floor. first floor and second floor. Is there a basement there too? There actually, there is a basement down there.
Starting point is 00:51:07 I think there is too. Is the bathroom down there? There's a basement on the, there's a bathroom on the top, but there's bathroom on the first floor too. At one time, Commonwealth Skybar, when Alex George and Justin Butler and Aaron King and when Kirk were running it with Richard Averett as investor, that place was stack and paper. Our firm was marketing and promoting the Skybar and helping it develop incremental revenue concepts like, for instance, we helped it launch brunch. Oh, they had a delicious brunch. It was a money printing machine.
Starting point is 00:51:38 And then, like a lot of businesses, too many cooks in the kitchen, folks could not agree, got ahead of its skis, opened up Commonwealth Reserve across the way on the storefront level, the professional center. And at that point, I was like, dude, these people are, they're getting ahead of their skis here. And, of course, the cookie crumbled. ever since then, it's seen how many iterations? Hunter was going to do, what, Passy Flora there? No, Hunter was going to do something. Didn't Hunter Smith have a piece of that for a while? And then J.R. and Laura were going to do something.
Starting point is 00:52:15 J.R. Hodler. Was Passiflor. Was Passi Flora. And then J.R. Hadley and Laura Foner were going to do something for a while. And then Laura bailed at the last minute. And that's been empty forever. This side of the mall is hurting. Yeah. I mean, it is hurting.
Starting point is 00:52:32 Would you think it was as bad as you do if the entire side that has, if the entire side of that block that has the, has the post office and the, and the repair place? How about, how about the, if that were, if that were like businesses, I mean, obviously the, the, the repair places. What about Operation Hope? The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the very smart idea. that's what I'm talking about. Of assimilating felons and convicts and Operation Hope with the storefront on the downtown mall because that makes sense.
Starting point is 00:53:08 If the taverna had become... Bashir's Taverna? Yeah. The wonderful Bashir. Bashir watches the program. I think he's watching right now. Yeah, he's a great guy. Love you, Bashir. I would have loved it if his taverna had gone to another... Phenomenal man.
Starting point is 00:53:26 Voice of an Angel. Man knows how to make a ham. Good God. His ham was good. Good. Okay. His Christmas hams were amazing. I'd still buy a Bashir's Christmas ham. Nice. It's freaking amazing.
Starting point is 00:53:38 I used to have lunch with Bill Nitchman at Bashir's Tavern all the time. It was amazing. Bashir would come by, sing a tune, check on us, try to give us free lunch. I'm like, Bashir, we're paying for this. We have to give you money here. We want you to take our money. The food is really, really good. You need to take our money.
Starting point is 00:53:56 So generous. So with the exception of the post office, which obviously isn't going to go anywhere. If the rest of that side was populated with more... Don't choose your words carefully. You're choosing your words careful. No, I'm just trying to figure out the words I want to say. If they were populated by businesses that got more foot traffic,
Starting point is 00:54:20 would this side of the mall be as bad? I mean, the other side has... I mean, the Virginia Discovery Museum is great, but it's not like it's open 24-7. Virginia Discovery Museum is awesome. It attracts families to the downtown mall. My wife loves the Discovery Museum. She does have issue with the Discovery Museum,
Starting point is 00:54:39 which is across the mall from the Operation Hope that assimilates convicts and felons back into society. We're using the Merry Go-Round for 3-year-old Zachary and post it up next to the Marygo Round is an individual with the tear drop tattoos smoke at a blunt while drinking a Colt 45 as Zachary's going, Yeeha. And my wife is just trying to keep her eyes down,
Starting point is 00:55:05 raybounds, rebands over her face looking down at the bricks that need repair from Oak Valley Custom Hartscapes. The issue on that side of the mall is vacancy and lighting. There's too much vacancy. There's not enough lighting on that side of the mall. And the business is, the point that Judah's made, on that side of the mall close at 5 p.m.
Starting point is 00:55:28 So there's no reason to patronize this side of the mall. So when you do go to that side of the mall, it's no foot traffic, no people, dark lights. There's a bank on the corner. There's a sandwich place that closes at three. The pavilion and the old welcome center, the current bus station. The bus station is closed.
Starting point is 00:55:51 Is a home to the houseless. Yeah, I was going to say, Between the pavilion and the free speech wall, you've got those benches where a lot of people usually sit and just... So there's no surprise we had the worst kind of trouble possible on Friday morning into Saturday. Right there. Right there. Right around the corner. Recipe for utter disaster right there.
Starting point is 00:56:18 Terrible. You want some, you want just some free advice, free advice. Get that side of the mall. ridiculously better lit. Get as much lights as possible on that side of the mall. Please, dear God. Imagine if Virginia Discovery Museum moved to the Alika Zam spot, bringing parents and children to the center of the mall.
Starting point is 00:56:46 It's a great idea. Rather than the border of the mall. And then, I mean, whatever you want to put in there. but if it was a, I think if it was given to a business or taken by a business that was bringing more foot traffic, that side of the mall could be a lot better. Could be a lot better. But it's just underserved. I think you're going to see a fire sale of Kijin real estate.
Starting point is 00:57:13 He's no spring chicken. I mean, I've been one degree apart of Kijin real estate transactions for 20 years. 135 on the water cooler of content and conversation. Jerryrackliff.com. If you're not subscribing to Jerry rackliff.com, you're missing the best Virginia sports content possible. I swear to God, it is two pieces of content every day, and he's about to bring out even more content than that.
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Starting point is 00:58:15 $8 a month, nearly 800 subscribers at jerry ragliff.com. And this is important to emphasize. Really good content. Really, really good content. that takes effort to produce, should have some kind of value associated with it, compensation associated with it, payment associated with it. Content, I love Seville Show will forever be free. This 1230 to 130 slot will forever be free.
Starting point is 00:58:47 But if you're a content creator, Judah can speak to this. He does a lot of the hammers and nails, the engine work here. It's not a flip of a switch producing content. Yeah. Am I right? 100%. I mean, things you wouldn't even think about. Where do I find a picture of, you know, so-and-so?
Starting point is 00:59:12 Of course, you can Google pictures, but that doesn't mean you can use all of them. Bingo. There's, you know, there's... It's tough. Just say it's hard. It's time-consuming. Abigail Spamberger, any idea why her approval rating is in the absolute crapper and continues to be? Abigail Spamberger goes from
Starting point is 00:59:30 inauguration day where she's presidential on inauguration day as the governor of Virginia presidential Judah to now being one of the most hated and disliked
Starting point is 00:59:43 governors in Commonwealth history through her first three and a half months on the job. I don't know if I said hated. We haven't seen an approval rating this dismal in more than 30 years. She had a lot of headwinds. what Glenn Yonkin's billion dollar surplus war chest
Starting point is 01:00:02 all the business deals that Glenn Yonkin lined up for her all the new companies he attracted to the Commonwealth that she's now taking credit for is that what you're talking about and for the people that are conservatives that say Jerry's hating on Trump too much Jerry's hating on the war in Iran and he's splintering the party hear what I'm saying about Abigail Spamberger She came into an office where she beat the breaks off of Winsome Earl Sears.
Starting point is 01:00:31 Humiliated Winsome Earl Sears. Okay, I'll be giving you, I need 30 seconds, then you hold that thought. Don't lose it. She humiliated Winsome Earl Sears. Write it down, Judah. You're going to forget it. Write it down. She humiliated Winsome Earl Sears.
Starting point is 01:00:45 Humiliated Winsome Earl Sears. She went in with a double-digit victory at inauguration day. Remember she had that white, elegant coat on? vaguely remember it. Look, absolute presidential. She was able to speak on the state of the union night as a rebuttal to Donald Trump.
Starting point is 01:01:03 She was presidential. Folks were saying she would run for president. Now we're three and a half months into her term as governor. And she's hated. What happened? I don't think she's hated. But here's my take on things. First of all,
Starting point is 01:01:19 I don't know that she was ever insanely popular. Part of the issue is that I think most everybody knew that Winsome Earl Sears was just not going to make it. So just because she beat the brakes off of Winsome Earl Sears doesn't mean that everybody loved her. It just meant that she was the better choice. And Democrats take note. This is the same thing that happened in the presidential election. It wasn't that Trump was a great choice is that we had two terrible choices. At least that's the way most of us saw it. And so when you go around saying that everybody who voted for Trump is somehow complicit in everything that he's done, it doesn't work that way. But getting back to Spanberger, yes, she beat winsome Earl Sears, but that doesn't necessarily mean that she was incredibly popular.
Starting point is 01:02:15 There's the fact that she's a woman. A lot of men, whether we want to admit it or not, still have a problem with a woman in a seat of power. Then there's the fact... I don't have a problem with that. Sounds like my life. And I don't... And I know I don't,
Starting point is 01:02:31 but we can't lie to ourselves and not admit that there are plenty of men probably on both sides of the aisle who don't want a woman in a position of power. Then you've got the fact that she comes in and immediately has hundreds of bills coming across her desk from the General Assembly. They don't care how popular or unpopular their bills are,
Starting point is 01:02:57 but she gets blamed largely for these bills that come across her desk. Now, some of them that are unpopular, she signs into being, but she's not the one initiating all of these. So I think she gets some undue, she gets some undue flack for that. And then you've got the fact that you've got the fact that Republican media campaigns have been on full blast, doing a much better job than they did helping wins some Earl Sears win the seat. And worst of all, she pictured herself as a bipartisan.
Starting point is 01:03:38 And what's the first big, big thing that she gets involved in telling us that we're going to redistrict, which is completely partisan. The parallels with what... I think that she's done so bad. I think that she's, you know, it's a combination of those things that have created head of wins for her. The parallels with Donald Trump's second term and Abigail Spamberger's first three and a half months in office are tangible and palpable. For me, it's the disingenuous nature of campaigning, saying one thing to solicit vote when you do get an office, you do the opposite.
Starting point is 01:04:19 My issue with Trump is a campaign on domestic focus, affordability, and strengthen the economy. And what Trump is doing right now is the opposite of domestic focus, the opposite of affordability, and the opposite of strengthening our economy. Right. Abigail Spamberger campaign on being affordable. Campaigned on bipartisan. You just said it. Well, yeah, but I don't know which one you're asking for. Just say the key words.
Starting point is 01:04:51 Yeah, she campaigned on being bipartisan, and she campaigned on affordable affordability in Virginia. And has done? And has done? And has largely not done any of that. Exactly. And that's why people see politicians as a rung below the slimy used car salesman, the unhinged former mayor offering commentary.
Starting point is 01:05:18 on Facebook. And speaking of Trump, now he's on record with the national media. Oh, gas prices are going to stay high, most likely, through midterms. I'm glad you realized it. Prepare yourselves. Trump's words, gas prices will be high through midterms. You want to splinter an economy? You give us $4 a gas.
Starting point is 01:05:50 gallon gasoline for an extended period of time. Eight months, nine months, when every other household budget is nearer or at an all-time high. You want to see real estate soften in outer counties of central Virginia values and transactions? You tell folks, oh, you can buy this $375,000 home in Lake Monticello. that's got the white picket fence, but you're going to be spending 90 minutes a day round trip commuting into Charlottesville for work when gasoline is plus $4 a gallon. The house that you get that may be added value gets completely eroded and canceled out by
Starting point is 01:06:40 the elevated fuel costs. Now, do that if you live in Augusta County. Do that if you live in Waynesboro. Do that if you live in Stanton. Do that if you live in Buckingham. it's only going to drive even more value to the homes in close proximity to the epicenter of employment while devaluing the homes that are out of the urban ring. Judah Wickhauer.
Starting point is 01:07:08 Now it's drive to you, qualify, or you run out of gas. Drive to you, qualify. But if you do qualify to where you drive, you better get used to hitchhiking or carpooling. Judah Wickhauer, yours truly, Jerry Miller, on the one. Water cooler of content and conversation. There's no platform, and it's cut and chase straightforward. There's no platform locally that is reaching more people than the I Love Seville Network, except for the University of Virginia.
Starting point is 01:07:41 And that's just facts. Judah Wickhauer, Jerry Miller.

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