The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Inside The Loan: City & Carlton Mobile Development; City Gives PHA & Habitat Sweetheart Loan Deal

Episode Date: September 17, 2024

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Good Tuesday afternoon, guys. I'm Jerry Miller. Thank you kindly for joining us on the I Love Seville Show. Today's program, again, loaded with content. I mentioned, how long have we been doing the I Love Seville Show, Judah? Decades. Not decades. The business is 16 years old. This did not start it from scratch. We should figure out when the 1230 to 130 I Love Seville show first launched. Yeah.

Could I task you with that over the next couple days? Find out when we did our first 1230 to 130 I Love Seville show? Before we did the show on a Monday through Friday 1230 to 130 I Love Seville show. Before we did the show on a Monday through Friday 1230 to 130 basis, almost as if it was the news, now it is the news of central Virginia, we would do interviews at random times, remember, in the studio with local thought leaders or politicians. But I'm curious of when we first launched it in 1230 to 130 capacity. When I made the push to create content on a daily basis at a set time, there was many in the community that said, you're nuts. How in the HE double hockey sticks are you going to be able to fill an hour

every day? It's a small town. We don't have enough content. I said, I think you'd be surprised with UVA, with Albemarle, with Charlottesville and the surrounding jurisdictions. I think the content is there. It just takes someone that is, or a team like we have here that's connected to find the content that's compelling. I feel like we've been doing that. A lot I want to cover on the program. Take a look at the screen, viewers, for the rundown on today's show. A couple of items that did not make the rundown I'll highlight to start the program. I want to give some props to Dr. John Shabe and Pro Renata. Dr. John Shabe goes from to Beer Baron, the owner of one of the most significant and fast-growing brands in beer in Central Virginia,

Pro Renata. Spends nearly a million dollars on beer equipment for the old Skipping Rock Brewery. Gets the brewmaster from Basic City to head over to Pro Renata, and now is doing real estate development in downtown Stanton while expanding his Crozet position and a new position in the Shando Valley. Props to Pro Renata and the beer baron, Dr. John Shave. Last night at the

Charlottesville City Council meeting, there was an item on the agenda, Judah, the last item on the agenda, and it was purely marked on the agenda, confidential settlement agreement. Mayor Wade running the meeting. Mayor Wade was late to the meeting yesterday. Showed up just in time to vote approval on the loan to Habitat and PHA, a loan we're going to unpack for you. Every developer in Central Virginia, wait until you hear the details of this loan. A loan offered to non-profit developers, Piedmont Housing Alliance and Habitat for Humanity, Greater Charlottesville area. First, an item that didn't make our rundown. After a meeting and closed session, Wade comes back to the dais, tells

everyone we have been briefed on this confidential settlement agreement. Brian Pinkston says, I want to make a motion to move forward. And they vote 5-0 on a confidential settlement agreement with zero explanation. What could be a confidential settlement agreement that they voted on 5-0 yesterday? Offer no transparency, no clarity, and no communication on what they were voting on outside of on the agenda, it's called confidential settlement agreement. Is this the city attorney? I was wondering the same thing. Is this a payday for the city attorney?

Or a payday for whatever the investigation was about. I mean, because he was exonerated. Yeah. He was the city attorney. Are you on a two-shot? No. The city attorney was exonerated after what? Three or four months of investigation?

They said, you're clear of it. Then he immediately retires. And then in the meeting, right after they say the city attorney is exonerated, after Juan Diego Wade praises his work, the mayor. The city attorney retires, surprisingly. And then the meeting right after this news, counsel meets in closed session, comes out in public session, votes 5-0 on a confidential settlement agreement.

Did the city attorney who just retired get a payday? What would he get a payday for? It could be argued that he already got a payday, a four-month payday. Payday for sullying his name? You're under investigation for four months, you're put on ice? That didn't make him look great. No, but... What other confidential settlement agreement could it be? I sincerely ask you, the viewers and listeners, what that confidential settlement agreement could be that happened in closed session last night.

Who do we know that's aggrieved of the city? That's not Brackney and her lawsuit. I wouldn't think so. Why would they? What confidential settlement agreement happened in closed session last night? And how are they able to do that

in such clandestine fashion? And shouldn't we ask the questions what actually just happened there? 100%. Just like we're going to ask the questions what just happened with this loan do you want to set the stage on this 8.7 million dollars i can't believe we're still talking about this mobile home park i think there was something that i missed the other day was uh what was it about them rushing this through? There was something I don't think I followed. Something about the... The deal's closing today.

Yeah, I know that. Who's rushing it through, though? I would imagine the people that are rushing this through are the sellers themselves. The sellers said, we have this other deal. We don't even know if there's another deal. We don't even know if there's another deal. We don't even know if there's another deal. We do know that Deep Throat, who's watching the program, emailed counsel,

and he said, have you seen the other deal? Did he get a response? Got a response. The response he got, the mayor said, I'm not sure what's going on. I need to copy the city manager on this. And then Juan Diego Wade shows up to the meeting late, says, I got emails about, did this other deal actually exist?

You watched the city council meeting last night. After Juan Diego Wade on the record says, was there another deal for the mobile home park? Has anyone seen it? Crickets, silence. And then they vote 5-0 to give a loan to Piedmont and Habitat that is the sweetest of sweetheart deals. What tickles your fancy of the sweetheart, of the sweetheart deals? Tom Powell, Bill McChesney, I'm going to get to your comments in a matter of moments. Deep Throat, I'm going to get to your comments

in a matter of moments. Viewers and listeners, like and share the show. There's a lot to cover today on the water cooler of Charlottesville and Central Virginia. What tickles your fancy on this deal, on this loan? I mean, I think I probably need someone to unpack it.

I would use words forgivable. I can't tell if it's, it almost seems like it's forgivable no matter what happens. I would use words like 40 year term. I would use words like no interest. I would use words like Piedmont and Habitat have the city by the short and curlies. Every developer in town should want a deal like this. Every developer.

Yeah. And the catbird seat, the true catbird seat, the family that owned the park. So let me get this, let me see if I've got this straight. If at any point the city does not provide the funds, let's see, the city needs to appropriate additional funds every year for the next five years. If the city fails to do this, so this is just a five-year thing, then PHA Habitat can terminate the agreement. You're reading Deep Throat's email right there.

You should read from start to finish. Give the man credit. All right. He says... This is a man who follows counsel inside and out. And this is his take on the loan for Carlton. Dude, it's worse than we thought. The loan is 40 years long and forgivable, not just interest-free.

Also, city will need to appropriate additional funds every year for the next five years. If the city fails to do this, future councils have to vote on future appropriations. That's just the law. Then PHA Habitat can terminate the agreement and not provide any affordable units and pay back the funds already provided, no interest charged. But if they can't realize sufficient proceeds from selling the property, I'm assuming he is referring to PHA and Habitat. Yeah, the market units. They don't have to pay back the balance? F-ing crazy.

Does that mean any balance left over after they've finished building the units? Because Habitat and PHA's payday is selling the market units. But they're not using the $8.7 million to build the units. They're just using the $7. whatever plus the extra for interest is just for the land, right? Oh, no. I would imagine that is get the projects to acquire the park, start the debt service, and get some of the development going.

And then they're going to have to raise some additional funds from grants and other purveyors, other parties. Yeah, but I mean. That eight, okay, is your question, does that 8.7 cover all the development? No. No, absolutely not. My understanding is the 8.7 is just for the land. And some of the debt service out of the gates. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. They've got to raise a hell of a lot more money to build this project. But so if they can't realize sufficient proceeds, so the land's going to be paid for by the city with a loan to PHA Habitat. And then eventually, three years, or I guess it was, what did we find out, 2029, that they're expected to start production. And then finish in the early 2030s. Yeah. And then if they can't make enough money selling the units,

they don't have to pay back whatever's left over of a 40-year loan? Of a loan on a 40-year term. What's the difference? Same thing. Just clarifying the term is 40 years. So let's say, I mean, let's just say for convenience sake that they finish in 2034. So that's 10 years from now. They'll be 10 years into a 40, into a whatever.

It has to be completed by 2033, December 31. Okay. That's one of the caveats. Let's say they're able to do it. I'm just saying, how much would they have paid off of the loan in 10 years? That's a great question. Out of 40. And then if they can't make enough money selling the units,

they don't have to pay any of the rest of the loan back? And I'm not done with the email. So this is an attempt to circumvent the rules on not binding future councils because not appropriating the money puts the city at risk

of loss. And I'm not going to read the last line. It's insane. The risk you have is if councils change. And they decide they don't want to uphold the terms. Yeah. Now, one storyline that's following this is Brian Pinkston was outed by Juan Diego Wade in a radio interview on WINA. And Juan Diego Wade randomly says, Brian Pinkston's going to run

for a second term without allowing Brian Pinkston to make the announcement that he's going to run for a second term. So then when Brian Pinkston was interviewed by the same radio station in the morning, the host, Jay James, a friend of the program, said, oh, word on the street is you're running for a second term. Your mayor said that, Juan Diego Wade. And Brian Pinkston was like, what? I am? Then he immediately gets political and he's like, oh, yeah, I'm talking with my wife and I'm inclined to run for a second term. Basically saying, I can't believe someone just outed me on that.

Stole my thunder. The point I'm making is, if you don't have future councils that see the upside of this project, Habitat and PHA further have them by the short and curlies. Oh, yeah. He says, bottom line, PHA and Habitat are not at risk at all if the city falls to appropriate. Appropriate. Fails to appropriate.

Fails to appropriate. I'm ready to put this story behind us. We still have not seen the initial offer 40 years later we have not seen the initial offer no he says to answer your question if the city does not appropriate

extra money PHA and Habitat can terminate the agreement. They have no obligations to the city other than to repay the loan. If they can't repay the loan and they have to sell the project, they pay back the lesser of the proceeds of sale and the balance of the loan. So are PHA and are they officially the owners of the land? Yeah, closing today. And if they want to nix the whole thing, what happens then? Do they get to sell it? That's a great question.

Because somebody, I mean, obviously, somebody's got to own the land. If they decide to nix it, they... This is just a very convoluted situation that is going to be on the backs of taxpayers for a long time. Like, if they nix the deal, do they get the land

and the Seville government still has to pay off, or I guess not pay off if there's no loan anymore, then there's nothing to pay off. You're getting too much in the weeds here for the viewers and listeners. Okay.

This is what has happened. You have government and non-profit interfering with the free market.

And when that happens, you get insane sweetheart deals, a muddled landscape. This type of outing does not happen. You don't get 40-year terms. You don't get loan forgiveness, interest forgiveness. When money is offered in a loan capacity, it's the lender that has the leverage. Not those that are taking the bag.

In this scenario, the city doesn't have the leverage. The entity taking the bag has it. And the taxpayers are at the mercy. And a 40-year loan? How about you do a five-year, seven-year term with a rate that adjusts and performance thresholds in place, like everybody else has to go through. I say I want to stop talking about this. I'm going to be 82. Hopefully not sitting across from you, although I'll give you some props.

Enjoy your company. Thank you. 82. Perfect segue into the next topic, Brian Pinkston sinking a second term. What do you make of B. Pink in a second term? Juan Diego Wade outing him on a morning talk show, saying Pinkston's going to run for a second term. Pinkston comes on that morning talk show the next day,

and he's like, what? Mayor Wade said, what? I would imagine Mayor Wade's going to run for a second term. Is the second term the new norm? Michael Payne's second term. Lloyd Snook's second term. Do city councilors not normally run for second term? You can run for as many terms as you want.

There's no term limits. Malik's in her fifth term. Is second term just the norm? And are you okay with eight years with one man or woman on a five-man board or a five-man council for multiple terms? I mean, I don't particularly have a problem with it. Is the council going to go the way of the Board of Supervisors? Galloway's in his second term. You're talking about everybody getting five terms?

Malik's in her fifth. What's McKeel, Diantha McKeel in her third? Galloway in his second. Pruitt first. Andrews first. Are we now going to be looking at a council that's a multi-term council? Kind of looks that way. The only thing that could potentially change those dynamics

is the increase in pay that's coming down the pipe. But I've still made the comment that that increase in pay, was it 35K from the 18? Yeah. It's not enough for someone to do it full-time. They're still going to need a side hustle. But it will allow somebody like former Mayor Nakia Walker, who was employed part-time by the Parks and Recs Department. Or if you've got a significant other. Or significant other, or you have very hospitable parents. I did that. Okay.

You approve of that one? That was very diplomatic of you. Okay, you give me approval on that one? Normally you chastise me with that. That was diplomatic? I think it was diplomatic enough. Okay. Thank you. Prop bet on Juan doing a second term? I don't want to answer you. I would even answer for you. I would think that you're going to say he's going to run for a second term. I would imagine he would.

Right? Yeah. I was at Coupe de Ville's with my brother. My brother came and visited. We moved recently, and we've had a household full of visitors. My in-laws for four weeks or so. Then my parents came. My brother came. Got a squash pro staying at our house next week for four or five days. He's playing in a local squash tournament, a professional tournament over at the Boar's Head. And my brother stayed with us for four or five days recently. And he said, he went to UVA, I went to UVA, my dad went to UVA. And he

said, let's go to the corner. I may have told this story. So we decided to close down the watering holes. We start at Coop's. I'm at Coop DeVille's on Ellywood Avenue listening to live music. My brother and I having a nice cocktail, cold beverage, something wet. College student recognizes me from the I Love Seville show, comes up, taps me on the shoulder and said you're Jerry Miller. I said I am Jerry Miller. He said let me buy you a drink. I said sure. You want to buy me a drink? I'll take a drink. This is my brother. I'll buy him a drink too. He didn't care. It's his parents' credit card. Buys us both drinks. It wasn't his money. Live music, we can barely hear each other. I did hear this. I watched the I Love

Seville show. Mentioned your name. You and Judah do a great job. He said, I want to tell you something about Juan Diego Wade. I know him from church. Juan Diego Wade is as good a guy as you can possibly find, and he's been nothing but good for Charlottesville and our community. This is like, I would think he's 21. He's at a bar, but who knows. Gives props to the mayor while we're listening to a cover band on the back porch of Coop DeVille's before school starts. I think Juan's done a pretty good job. Surprised why he was late to the meeting yesterday. Showed up just in time to green light the vote, the loan for Habitat,

and showed up just in time to green light a 5-0 confidentiality payday. Confidential settlement agreement. I would bet you that bottle of Johnny Walker Black that's sitting on the bar over there, and I add to the bet with a McAllen 12 that that confidential settlement agreement has something to do with the city attorney.

What else could it be? I can't imagine. Nicole Scrove, local attorney and developer, she asked on Twitter, is this tied to the parking garage in some capacity? Interesting. Mark Brown, the parking czar of Charlottesville, he's got the city.

This is another entity that's got the city by the short and curlies. Yeah. PHA and Habitat do with this Carlton situation. Yeah. The Mark Brown, the parking czar, has them by the short and curlies. Would you say Johnny Dewberry does? The extorting emperor of empty lots with the Dewberry Hotel?

He's like, dude, I'm paying my taxes on this. You can't call blight on me. I'm just going to keep this hotel this way until you give me serious tax breaks to develop it. We know Wendell did with the project on the Rivanna River, right? Who else has got the most leverage you would say over the city right now who's got the most leverage who's i does anyone have i've talked about this on previous shows does anyone have more leverage over the city than mark brown the parkings are probably not maybe you throw a guy in like Corrin, but he does it way more behind the scenes and on the DL. Nonprofits now do. Whether you like it or not, Livable Charlottesville's got some leverage. I mean, they've pushed the NZO through.

I'm not saying there's a direct correlation with Planning Commissioner Rory Stolzenberg and Lyle Sola Yates in livable Charlottesville, but they have the same ideology. It's almost verbatim. I would bet you that confidentiality, that confidential settlement agreement is the city attorney. Why else would he retire at an age that is not quite retirement? I mean... Why would he retire so abruptly after being exonerated? Unless there was a payday to peace out. We clear your name,

you get a statement issued by the mayor clearing you and absolving you, giving you mea culpa. And then in the very next council meeting, there's a confidential settlement agreement. I mean, that could be, but what would... And why are other people not asking the questions what the confidential settlement agreement is? Why are people not asking questions about the original

offer on Carlton? Why are these questions not being asked? I agree. We're asking them here. Why haven't we seen an actual offer, a first offer from Carlton? We are entitled that. You would think. When you don't have media holding government accountable,

then this is what you get. So frustrating. The next storyline I find frustrating. The next storyline I find frustrating. Is that the UVA storyline? Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, listen to this. A six-person committee, including faculty steeped in democracy and public policy expertise,

has recommended to University of Virginia President Jim Ryan that he only consider issuing commentary and statements on national and international events when those events directly affect the university. This six-person committee has said, President Ryan, in the future, you should not pontificate, share perspective, or opine

on events that are not tied to the grounds of Thomas Jefferson's university. And then he turned to them and said, gee, thanks. And I say to President Ryan, dude, obviously you shouldn't be doing that. You're the president of UVA. Your take on Gaza, Israel, is irrelevant.

Is irrelevant. Just like when folks go into council chambers and demand five members on Charlottesville City Council issue a stance on what is happening in Israel, in Gaza, it's ridiculous. These people make $18,000 and $20,000 a year. They're running a $200 and some million a year budget in Charlottesville.

Ryan, if anything, has more of a stance than the counselors, and still Ryan has zilch of a stance. Why does it take a six-person committee to tell President Ryan that you shouldn't offer commentary on global and national turmoil. That seems to be the trend around here.

Of hiring firms to tell you things that I don't know. I mean, you see why Ryan's doing it. He's able to say, well, this six-person committee said I shouldn't do this. He is a fall guy. It's like when the superintendent of schools, Dr. Matthew Haas,

Albemarle County Public Schools, hires a third-party consulting service to help figure out why elementary schools and their students are underperforming with reading and writing and math. He's like, well, we hire them, and they told us this is the path that we should take. It insulates them if it backfires. They're able to point the finger and say, no, they said to do this. It wasn't me. And that's the politics of 2024.

There was a time when leaders did not utilize insulation and protection from third parties. They just basically went with their instinct and their gut. And that was leadership. Now leadership is get third parties to cover your tail. It's the cancel culture society we live in. Job security. And speaking of potential cancel culture, new headline, is that the Jefferson Council?

Let's see. Dude, have you guys seen the Jefferson Council? Let's see. Yep. Dude, have you guys seen the Jefferson Council new website? Props to the Jefferson Council. Say what you want about the Jefferson Council. You know they are there.

Good, bad, ugly. For the most part, a lot of what the Jefferson Council does and who have we been emailing in? I can't believe I'm drawing a blank on his name. I'm going right now to my email. We've been emailing with Jefferson Council President Thomas Neal

of Baltimore, Maryland. His new website, the Jefferson Council, is legit. It does look pretty good. Right? UVA colors. Oh, my God, it's so professional. From the blog post style website they had? Yeah, no doubt.

It's head and shoulders better than what they had. I said, thank you for reaching out, Tom. I appreciate your emails and the insight you shared with me. Frankly, I appreciate the Jefferson Council and the work you are doing. I do not recognize the University of Virginia anymore. The woke minority has overtaken what's best for the center-aisled majority. It's disgusting and demoralizing, especially for someone who dearly loves UVA

and who has lived in Charlottesville since his first year at the university in 2000. We should reach out. Did I copy you on that email? I want to forward you that email. See if we can get this gentleman on the show via Skype. They're on their new website, have highlighted social media on it. They're chopping down video clips from the most recent board of visitors meeting, publishing it on their social media channels, and analyzing them as if they are touchdown highlights on NFL countdown. Like picking them apart, key elements in the BOV meeting

are picked apart on their social channels. Whoever is managing the content for the Jefferson Council, as someone who is in the content management business for ourselves, our clients, and our real estate holdings, the efforts that these people are putting into content, Judah can put this in perspective. It takes hours. Go to the Jefferson Council website, click the social strip, the Facebook page in the top left corner. When you're on there, J-dubs, they just did a post 20 minutes ago,

right during the show. Look at what they're doing. They're chopping down the BOV meetings and offering X's and O's breakdown of what happened. You know firsthand how long this takes. This organization's not going away. If anything, they're just going to gain momentum. I want to give props to them for a brand new digital platform.

I was very impressed. I hope that gets back to Mr. Neil. What's the next headline you got? Next headline is, oh, the six-year-old. Oh, this one's very disturbing. Neil Williamson, thank you for watching the program. I'm clicking the link you just shared. There's a revenue sharing link. I'll take a look at this, Mr. Williamson. It's in the comment section of my personal Facebook page.

A link that a man I trust, Neil Williamson. Tom Powell, toy, watching the program. A six-year-old brings a loaded gun to an elementary school in Orange County, Virginia. This in the Daily Progress. My wife and I woke up to this headline this morning. Six-year-old at Orange Elementary found with loaded firearm. The sheriff's office said, no injuries to report at the scene, no threats to the school prior to the gun being found. My kid is six. Our kid. Our kid is six. Husbands should always say our when it comes to their children. The wife pushed the child out of her body while the husband was there holding her hand and saying, you can do this. She did the work. Our children, our child, our six-year-old. I will always correct myself with that. Our kid is six. This is a six-year-old with a loaded gun on his person in school. Immediate lockdown of the school.

It was in his backpack, wasn't it? 12.50 p.m. Yeah. An instructional assistant reported seeing the gun. 12.50 p.m. when the school resource officer was contacted. Kids get to school

what? Before 8 a.m.? Just before 8? Ours is at 7.40. Every school is different. Call it 8 a.m. Just for even numbers. From 8 a.m. to 12.50 p.m., four hours and 50 minutes,

a kid had a loaded gun in an elementary school in Orange County, Virginia. 230 Monta Vista Avenue in the town of Orange. I'm going to say it again on this program. I get so much flack for this comment. This is one of those comments that gets me a tremendous amount of flack from a certain portion of the community. If we're going to continue to have gun and safety issues in schools, we must do whatever is humanly possible to protect our children when they are not in the care of their

parents, their top care providers in most cases. And for me, it is clear-cut that we need metal detectors at the entry for schools. Do you realize the cost of that, though? Do you realize the cost of what's going to happen when the Newport News teacher is suing the Newport News public school system because a gun was in her classroom? Multiple teachers told the principal at the Newport News public school system because a gun was in her classroom. Multiple teachers told the principal

at the Newport News elementary school that this kid has a gun. The Newport News elementary principal said, at the end of the day, ignore it. Forget about it. Disregarded the call to action that there was a gun on grounds. The teacher, if she did not put her hand up

in front of the gun, deflecting the bullet with her hand, would have probably died. Would have faced seriously more grave injuries. You have to give me that. A metal detector is a hell of a lot less than a lawsuit. And worse scenario, way worse scenario, kids dying or teachers dying.

I understand. How do you stop a gun from getting into the school in a six-year-old's backpack? Have him walk through a metal detector. And the real story of this is how did the kid get the gun? And it's about time the parents who leave guns unattended, that a six-year-old can get it, be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I think the last one was.

Parents, if you're just hearing about this for the first time, you should be as taken aback about this as I am. Janice Boyce Trevelyan. They reported he arrived late. Thank you, Janice Boyce. She's offering some clarity here. And she was helping him remove things from his backpack. He was just on the scene. Thank God for that. Thank you, Janice Boyce. She's offering some clarity here. And she was helping him remove things from his backpack. He was just on the scene. Thank God for that.

Thank you, Janice Boyce Trevelyan. Thank you for that clarity. I didn't see that in the Daily Progress coverage. How do you feel, Janice Boyce Trevelyan, of students walking through metal detectors at schools? How about you, Vanessa? And Deep Throat pushes back. It's not a parking agreement. That wouldn't be confidential.

Ginny Hu says, other people aren't asking the questions that you and Judah are asking because they won't like the answers. And she said, did you see a student at a Virginia Beach Catholic school saw another student had a bullet and he got the same amount of suspension

because he did not report it in a timely manner according to the school a student at a virginia beach catholic school saw another student had a bullet and he got the same amount of suspension because he did not report it in a timely fashion how do they know he knew and she says, all that does is discourage students from reporting what they see. Yeah, exactly. That's a terrible policy. You want to break that down for the viewers and listeners? Yeah, I didn't understand it fully. I thought it was, I was wondering how they knew that the other kid knew about the bullet and apparently he the student that reported another student having a bullet was given the same punishment as the kid with the bullet because

they thought he took too long to tell them yeah that's absurd absurd call my friend on the phone hey let's let's bring, and I'm not even going to go there, but that's just crazy. And she's 100% right. You're just going to train kids to not report it. Why would I report something if there's a possibility the school is going to punish me because they feel I took too long? Janice Boyce Trevelyan offering more color to the story. The Orange County Sheriff's Department reported additional information about the kids arrival late to school and she thinks it's a great idea for kids to walk through metal detectors. As do I.

As do I. I don't think it's a bad idea. The problem is we can't talk about curbing government spending on one hand and then talk about equipping every single school in the United States of America with metal detectors. The metal detector is a lot less costly than a lawsuit associated with gun violence and way less damaging than gun violence yielding the loss of life or lives. Okay. It's still happening. It's still happening. Ginny Hu says they outed the whistleblower to the entire school community as well. Oh. Insane. You want to get someone killed in prison?

Outing the tax... Why? Insane. Right? I... Yeah. I don't even... I can't comprehend what was going through the heads of people in charge when they thought any of that was a good idea.

When is the last time we have seen a gun in a local school in central Virginia? There was a student who had a gun in his vehicle. I think that was a parent. A parent, and there was also a student who had a gun in his vehicle. Okay. But I'm saying in the actual school. Yeah, I don't know. Central Virginia?

Yeah. See, that's the thing. When it happens, it's big news. And it makes us think that it's happening everywhere. When in reality, it's unlikely. I mean, the fact of two six-year-olds bringing guns to Virginia schools within, what, months of each other? You're talking about the Newport News one? I'd say that was a year ago, this time last year. Okay. But you're right, within a short time span. It's a statistical anomaly.

I don't say that's a statistical anomaly. I do. Why, because there are six? These are the ones, these are the ones. If we were to count how many times six year olds have brought guns into schools I'll push back a little bit on you these are the ones that we know of

for everyone that we know of how many happen that we did not know of you're saying a kid brings a gun in their backpack and then goes the day with the gun on their person and no... Goes the day with the gun on their person and no one finds out and nothing happens. How many have happened where we don't know about them?

We can't assume that every time this has happened, we have figured it out. We also can't spend our lives worrying about things that... I agree. That's why you just have them walking through a metal detector and there's no worry. Okay. I don't want to spend my time, my parenthood, worrying about this. And there's few things, there's few takes I have on this show that draw the ire of parents more than that.

And right in that same breath is the school resource officer take. I'm an SRO all day, every day, and twice on Sunday. Pro SRO. And I find the sad irony of this in Charlottesville public schools, they're going to be walking through metal detectors when it's a sporting event that has an attendance of over 250 people. But at a school on a Monday or a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday morning, when it's the peak attendance, they don't walk through metal detectors. Explain that to me. That's fair.

Make that make sense. No, I can't explain that. What's the final topic of the show? Do we have two or one? Let's see. Belk outlet. Oh, man. How do you go from a six-year-old who has a gun in his elementary school right here in central Virginia to a Belk outlet at Fashion Square?

And before I forget this, I got an email from the newly minted general manager of the graduate on the UVA corner. Remember, the graduate is now a Hilton. And they have completed the rebranding. Eric McMartin, the general manager, drops me an email and says, good morning, Jerry. We at Graduate Charlottesville are now Graduate by Hilton Charlottesville. I am providing the attached press release and hope you can disseminate this through your channels and to your viewers and listeners. Jerry, I am also interested

in an in-person interview, if possible, to speak more about how this exciting news impacts our local community. Thank you for your consideration and please advise if I can help answer any additional questions at this time. Love the show. Regards, Eric McMartin, GM. Number two in the family offers this perspective. Think about this, Jerry and Judah. The city has

an $8.7 million loan approved last night. Don't forget there was a $5 billion loan given to CRHA to buy properties from Keith Woodard. Lots of loans being made. Is this good public policy? Let's also add to that that the city bought property from CRHA to help them fund the purchase of a building on the downtown mall. Let's also add to that that the city bought the dirt from Wendell on High Street to keep development from happening. And it's now turning it into a park. And did you see a Hall-Spencer story in the Daily Progress this morning?

Which one was that? The city is cutting down the hedges on Market Street Park. Those hedges that are right on the park? The city says cutting down the hedges is for the beautification of the park. But Halls went and interviewed the landscapers that were doing the work themselves. And he found out the reason they were actually doing it

is because the hedges were used for privacy for drug use and going number one and number two. And the landscapers that were cutting down the hedges said we have to wear heavy-duty gloves. This is in the article. Heavy-duty gloves to do this work because every time we're here doing work in this park, we're afraid we're going to get pricked by intravenous needles

or touch piles of poo. I'd be more worried about the second than the first. The intravenous needles or the piles of poo? I'd be more worried about the piles of, you know what? I've never seen a needle. I've seen multiple needles. Okay. I've never seen a needle.

I just got a DM from CC Marks. Harrisonburg High School student arrested after explicit and violent threats circulate social media on the 16th of September. That was yesterday. Students fearful and anxious today in school. Fuck. Oof. Poor kids. What? students fearful and anxious today in school poor kids poor kids

thank you for sharing this with us let's talk about cashmere and last year's model of Jimmy shoes coming to the belk outlet at fashion square now i love that song which song cashmere do you have any commentary in the Belk outlet coming to Fashion Square Mall? I think it's great. I think we had a Belk there. Now we get a Belk outlet.

The prices will be lower. Perfect for today's economy. And along with the, what is it, Home Depot and the rescue service? Nothing's going to sell cashmere like the Albemarle County mechanic shop that services the Albemarle County vehicles and the Home Depot singing hammers and screwdrivers to contractors. Nothing sells cashmere like neighbors like that. But to your point, at least it's being populated. Yeah.

If you've driven around the mall lately, it's... I have not, have you? A sad, sorry sight. Yeah, I have. Final headline, Virginia football and Anthony Calandria visit Coastal Carolina on Saturday, 2 p.m. kickoff. The Chanticleers, ladies and gentlemen, are three-point underdogs. Yes, Virginia is favored.

This game is televised on ESPN+, which means many in Wahoo Nation are going to have a hard time watching this game on television. I let you know that in advance to figure out where you're going to watch the game. It's a must-win game for Virginia football. I learned from Jerry Ratcliffe this morning on the Jerry and Jerry Show,

Tuesdays at 10.15 a.m. on the I Love Seville Network, that this is the last game on Virginia's schedule where the ESPN power index has Virginia favored. Every other game on UVA's schedule this season, Virginia is a substantial underdog. Wow. This is a must-win game. Remember, Vegas had Virginia's over-under on a win total at 3.5. They're at 2 right now. So if you had the over, they have to win 4. If you had the under, it's 3 or less. And speaking of prop bets.

How do you win 3.5? Well, that's why they put it on there, so there can't be a push. Okay. That's why they have the on there. So there can't be a push. Okay. That's why they have the half in sports. Got it. We should have done a half on our nine and a half, our Lewis mountain bet. That was my, uh, that was my, uh, are there five now? No. Is there more? There's three. Cause you got the props on. I gave you one and there was two. There was two that came on the market.

Let's go to realtor.com and go to Lewis Mountain. Was there more that came on? I thought I saw more, but I'm... I'm going right now to look. I'll stay and correct it. I haven't looked today. No, the 1916 Thompson Road's been there. Wow, the 2020 Miner Road went pending.

No. There's only one that's active right now, and that's the $1,995,000 ask. Are you looking at these down here? Is that what you're seeing? The 19 homes? No, not the ones below. I'm looking at house for sale,

two pending, three pending. Yeah, three pending and one active. So, so far you get credit for three. And one for closure. Okay. You get credit for three. You get Thompson Road, 916. You get 1916 Thompson Road, 1,995,000 ask. The 220

Minor Road, that's pending. That's a nice little cottage. So you have three. Nine's the over-under. We'll follow it closely. You have any closing thoughts? Anything we didn't get to? We got the White Mountain Ministry show at 2.30

with Nate Kibler. Anything we missed? Not much. Rockingham removing some books from school school's also still waiting for guidance on the cell phone free learning that that

our governor should be coming out with today I mean here's here's an easy way to do it don't have your cell phones in schools. Put them in the pouches. Not every school has pouches yet, I would imagine. Not to mention a lot of parents are rightfully or, you know,

a lot of parents are worried that they won't be able to contact their kids. In fact, I think most of the worry has to do with in case there's an emergency. Ginny Hu says the last few days her DMs have been full with people asking about starting homeschooling. Oh, wow. She's a homeschooling expert, Ginny Hu. All right, that's all she wrote.

Judah Wickauer, Jerry Miller, the I Love Seville show, where we just try to ask the questions that's all she wrote. Judah Wickauer, Jerry Miller, the I Love Seville show, where we just try to ask the questions that nobody else is asking. For some strange reason. The only wrong question is the unasked question. There's no dumb questions. Is this where you... You're not wrong, but...

I know where Jude's going to go with this here. Go ahead and do it. Might as well. You're often impatient with actual, real questions. There it is. There it is. And that's a fair response. The Tuesday edition. We'll see you tomorrow, guys. So long. Thank you.