The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Interview With Brent Lillard, CEO, GovSmart; 90+ Employees, $500M+ Orders, CVille Based

Episode Date: February 3, 2026

The I Love CVille Show headlines: Interview With Brent Lillard, CEO, GovSmart 90+ Employees, $500M+ Orders, CVille Based Explain The GovSmart Biz Model? What Do You Do? CVille Weekly Hit Piece – What Happened? Why Did The “Journalist” Focus On ICE Contracts? Do You Think The “Journalist” Had An Agenda? Today’s News, Dems vs Republicans, Epstein Files Polarization Of America’s Two-Party Political System Read Viewer & Listener Comments Live On-Air Brent Lillard, Co-Founder & CEO of GovSmart, Inc, joined me live on The I Love CVille Show! The I Love CVille Show airs live Monday – Friday from 12:30 pm – 1:30 pm on The I Love CVille Network. Watch and listen to The I Love CVille Show on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, iTunes, Apple Podcast, YouTube, Spotify, Fountain, Amazon Music, Audible, Rumble and iLoveCVille.com.

Welcome to the I Love Sevo Show, guys. My name is Jerry Miller, and thank you kindly for joining us on a Tuesday in downtown Charlottesville on the water cooler of content and conversation. Looking forward to today's show. We mentioned this last week. Brett Lillard is our guest. He is a local success story, born and raised, and Madison County, and now the co-founder and CEO of GovSmart. And GovSmart is a business and brand that I've been hearing so much of over the last, I don't know, decade of my life or so. And they, I've always heard secondhand, man, they're expanding, man, they're growing, man, they're buying a building. Man, they're supporting charities locally. They're doing good things. And I've been hearing it for 10 years.

And then I've always been kind of one or two degrees apart from Brent Liller, who's our guest, and we'll welcome him to the show in a matter of moments. and for a lot of positive things of Brent, the entrepreneur or the local boy that's had a lot of success through hard work or his charitable contributions with GovSmart. I'm excited to have this conversation with him in person, of knowing him for some time. I've been very surprised. Actually, I shouldn't be surprised, but I'll give you some insight into what's happened this morning. Put a promotional post out on the I Love Seville Network about the interview today. and maybe 100, 150 DMs or text messages or emails about Brent coming on the show and overwhelmingly positive the support of this man on today's show.

Now, I will encourage the viewers and listeners. We do, as you know, welcome you guys to join us in the show and shape the show with your thoughts or comments. So if you have questions, comments you want to pass on to Brett, put them in the social media feed you're watching on, and I will relay them to him live on air. I will also highlight this, and I try to do this on the regular here on the show. We don't mind being challenged. We don't mind if you disagree with us. We want you to disagree with the I Love Seville Show.

We want the show to elicit emotion. And if you happen to disagree with something we're talking about today, that's fine. I'll relay it to our guests. It's got to follow some kind of semblance of the golden rule or respect, though. You could disagree with somebody, and you can do it in a way that's still respectful. I will not mention any nastiness on air today on the I Love Sebole Show. That's not what this is about. This is not the keyboard muscles of anonymity on a Charlottesville subreddit.

And I'll catch shade for that. But that's just, we don't play that game here on the show. Very quickly and very importantly, I want to give props to the Vermilion family. They've been in business for 62 years at Charlottesville Sanitary Supply. They're five generations strong of Almaro County, and their business is three generations strong. They're located on East High Street where they own that building their family does, and they're online at Charlottesville Sanitary Supply.com. Any business that has supported this community actively for 62 years is fine by me.

And I know the Vermilion gentleman, father-son, now running the company, they are honest and they're men of integrity. And their sister company is Charlottesville Swimming Pool Company, your consultants for anything swimming pool related. Judah Wickhauer, brother from another mother, if we can go to the studio camera at your conference, convenience and let's welcome as print radio and television is all over the feed as elected officials are all over the feed university professors are all over the feed um brent lillard to the show

the the CEO and co-founder of guffsmart but i think most importantly um a husband and a father first i want to thank you for joining us on the show and then after i thank you thank you um i want to just offer an opportunity for you to introduce yourself to all the viewers and listeners that are watching the program. Great. Thank you so much for having me. Really appreciate it. You kind of covered some of the bases from Madison County, grew up there. And, you know, so Charlottesville's home for me. You know, I have a lovely wife at home. We live out in Keswick, and I've got two little boys, four and six that are my world. So, you know, it's amazing how, you know, all the corporate stuff is your focus for a while. And then once you have a family, you know, changes everything. And that

starts to be the focus. So, but yeah, I really appreciate you having us on. It's been a lot of interesting times. you know, love to be able to clear the air a little bit. Absolutely. Robbie Berry, giving you some props on the feed right now. Jacob Bowlin. We'll get to Bolin. We'll get to your comments here in a matter of moments. You can give props to Brett. Put them in the feed. I'll relay them live on air. We're going to get to the Seville Weekly hit piece. Before we do that, I just want to talk, Brett Lillard. Give us the flipbook of the life man. Madison County, Virginia. Give us the flip book. Yeah, I mean, basically, you know, grew up in Maple Drive, you know, small little, you know,

subdivision in there. You know, had a best friend I grew up with, you know, who has been my best buddy my whole life, is our C-O now. You know, so I've got a really tight, tight friend group. You know, my mother and father still together live out in Madison, my little sister and her husband and family live out

in Madison as well, so still go out there quite a bit. But grew up basically, you know, a computer nerd out of, you know, kind of fish out of water. Being from Madison didn't really feel like I belonged, you know, because it was all changing and growing. I worked at a computer store when I was almost 14 years old and have been in that industry ever since. And so definitely, definitely an interesting place to be.

I went up to Northern Virginia to George Mason and, you know, got into the government contracting thing while I was at George Mason. And then move back down here to Charlottesville to start a company in 2010. So you've been in operation, your business for 16 years. That's a success story. 18 years for us. And I can also, you know, concur what you said, you know, 18 years of being self-employed, the first nine or ten, all I had on was blinders. And all I was doing was effing grinding on the business, 80 hours a week, like doing whatever humanly possible to grow the business. Then I met my wonderful wife 10 years ago, and now we have a 7-year-old boy, and we have a 3-year-old boy who've radically changed me from perspective, from time a lot,

to what's important to me to dinner times and wake-ups in the morning it's just it's changed me as a man how you how you've seen your wife your two boys and family kind of help the evolution for the better of you brett liller absolutely i mean you'd give it all i mean everything that i thought was success before you know it would it just it's not even in the conversation compared to the other stuff so it's uh it's definitely changed it's humbling you know it changes your um if you're you know i used to be a little bit more outspoken I still am outspoken, but I used to be even more outspoken, like a little bit more polarizing just because of, you know, entertainment, you know, online. You know, I had kind of like an online profile thing with all that.

But it's, it definitely tones you down, definitely, you know, makes you think twice everything you do and, you know, it's all priority family. GovSmart. Give us the flipbook of that. 90 plus employees. I want to use the exact term, correct term here. Is it exact to say 500 plus million? a year in top line revenue? Topline revenue. Topline revenue.

We've got $502 million for $25. Okay. So I've been using $500 plus million in top line revenue correctly here. I wish that that was the bottom line revenue. That'd be great. Yeah, very low margin business. We'll talk about that with the viewers and listeners because I think it's being misconstrued online.

GovSmart might be doing $500 million plus in top line revenue. That's not net folks. We'll get to that in a matter of moments. Talk to us about GovSmart. How do you come up with the idea and then how do you get to the behemif that you are now? Sure, yeah. So I was at George Mason. So I had a computer background, of course. I actually went to a job fair at George Mason. I was looking for a high-end sales or, you know, just an IT job and went and, you know, interviewed it all the, like the Lockhe Martens, the Raytheons, all the guys that were up there. And I was told that I was overqualified for the technician jobs because I'd been doing only that. And they found that, you know, typically when they bring in people that are already from the industry, that they have their own ideas and their own things, it's harder to train. And I can see that, you know, maybe that doesn't fit into a bigger organization as well. And so I actually left. the job fair pretty defeated. And as I was holding the door for a guy that was walking in, and I commented on his tie,

and he commented on my suit or something like that. And then we ended up just having a conversation. And he asked to see my resume, and he was there from a company called Pan America Computers, which is now PCI Tech. And they were doing exactly what GovSmer does, you know, selling computers and thanks to the government. And went back to their office. And it was very small, very, very, very humble. But they were doing like, you know, $20 million a year in sales, which at the time I couldn't

believe that. I was like, wow, I was trying to get my head around, you know, how many computers that was and, like, what that would be. And I worked up under a guy who then ended up leaving suddenly, and I got handed all the accounts and didn't have any formal training to do it, but I basically got thrown to the wolves. Like, you know, they set me off to D.C. to have all the meetings and just figure it out. And so through that whole process, I kind of just like jumped in head first and learned to allow the lessons the hard way, you know, ask all the right and wrong questions and see the reaction and just try to figure it all out. But it worked real well. I was doing real well through college. I was still in college when I was working there and, you know, had a nice six-figure job

and decided that this is the way. If I could do this when I'm in college part-time, like I could definitely make money at this. So I started another company called Tech Four with some investors out in California. Great guys. They were running a really large IT services company for a large medical company. And, you know, they were kind of like my mentor, show me the ropes, Show me, you know, I went to Vegas with them for the first time. Like, saw all these things. I hadn't seen. You're just, like, levels of spending and fun, and it was very motivating. And so I ended up pitching them the idea that I wanted to start a company called Tech 4

and found out one of their uncles was a disabled veteran for Mexico and qualified for some of the programs. We can get into that in a little bit about how the government does their buying. And I was already, at that point, a libertarian, you know, pretty, pretty, you know, against a lot of the things the government was doing, but recognized there was a government spending problem and was like, what's the harm in selling them something for cheaper than the next guy and saving the taxpayer a little bit of money? And so then that evolved, you know, over the years to being totally obsessed with it and like going way down all the rabbit holes and meeting with, you know,

I've met with every agency for the most part at some point over the years and most of them many, many times and had a lot of high-level conversations and we've hired, you know, really, really high... Oh, excuse me, so this is all Tech Four. So Tech Four, I haven't gotten to Go somewhere yet. So Tech Four, we have a lot of... had some really fast, early success. I had an office, had some people working for me. The investors started to realize that the compensation plan I had set up wasn't really a good

plan. At the time, I was really upset about it. I thought that they were renegotiating in a bad way. In hindsight, I realized I had a very aggressive plan. And it wasn't, I just was young. I was in my early 20s. I didn't know how to set up a company and how to do that. So, but I basically, my roommate at the time was Hamza that I partnered with GovSmart on and he was from Pakistan. And when they started to change my comp plan, I had a little bit of falling out with the guys over there and said, you know, let's just partway as amicably. Stay friends, everything good. That company went away real fast after I left. But we, but Hamza agreed to go with me to Charlottesville and start all over. So decided this time I want to have ownership and I don't want to be, you know,

in a position where I can, you know, be locked out. So we moved down January 1st, 2010 and started Gusmar just out of our kitchen. The two of us completely flat broke. You know, we were like, you know, I'd been working my whole life, so I'd always had like nice cars and stuff. I spent all my money on my cars. I'm a big car guy. And so we didn't have much to start with. So we sold my dad 10% of the company for $50,000. That's how we bootstrap. So that $50,000 carried us all the way through today, never needed another loan or any more money.

He gave us a $200,000 purchase order financing credit line. So when we bought computers, we were able to use that credit line to buy the computers, but we had to have a purchase order, and that $200,000 was at risk for us. So if we lost it, we owed it back. The $50K was his investment, got that 10%, and that's worked out really well. all for him over the year. So it's kind of a fun, fun story that was able to help my dad with a good investment as well. He certainly helped me even more, you know, help us get off the ground. So we started as Hamza with 51% ownership. I was about 40% ownership and my dad was like

eight or something like that because there's all these rules and we can get into that in a while about how you have to do things. After we graduated all the programs, the minority own programs and everything, we switched the ownership. I basically the company bonus me and I have 45%. Hamza has 45% and my dad has 10%. So that's kind of the ownership structure. So everything is decided as a group, you know, all the stuff. You know, we all have completely different politics. You know, me and Hans are completely different.

He's an immigrant from Pakistan. He was four years old. You know, wonderful human being, the most trustworthy guy I know and, you know, couldn't have done it without him. And then I've got a whole slew of, you know, people that have worked at GovSmart. And if I start naming them, you know, aside from like Glenn and Adam, who were my best friends that we got in early.

And, you know, they both were in the company really early. and we, you know, we're kind of on fire. We called ourselves the Jedi Council, and we were just like a four-person team, like going rampant through the government, trying to sell everything we could and, you know, get as many partnerships as we could. So it all did really well,

and we did $750,000 in sales our first year, and then we did $6 million, $15 million, $25 million, just went to the moon. You know, last year in 2024, we did $420 million, then we did $502 million last year. So profits are growing, the revenues are growing,

but it's a very, very skinny, skinny margin game. And that comes with a lot of misconceptions in the industry. Because when we sell something, the way the government purchases is they have a whole, just an entire book. They have this thing called the FAR, the federal acquisition regulation. And it is a Bible of all the things you can do and can't do in the government contracting world. There's set asides, there's rules of if you have this checkbox like veteran owner, or if you're a woman owner, if you have this color skin, or that, you know, it's all this stuff.

is built into the government contracting. And I learned early on that without one of those checkboxes, you can't start a company that is a government contracting company. You have to partner with someone. You have to go, if you're a guy like me that doesn't check any of the boxes, you really have to go, you know, figure it out and get creative. And so Homs and I did that. And then it all has worked out great. Now, we became over the years total experts at the program. We know all the loopholes, all the regulations and we have been huge advocates in Congress and Senate and then all the regulatory bodies across the government trying to fix the things that are broken expose the things that are not working there's a lot of fraud waste and abuse all throughout the government we're a huge champion for stopping it

and like fighting it and that can kind of put us in the limelight a lot but I've I've given congressional testimony I've launched Ketam lawsuits which are lawsuits where you basically sue on behalf of the government for someone doing you know fraud waste and abuse and some some of that has been successful but we're we're basically you know known in the industry the small business administration the director told me that we're like they're like star child basically they look to us as their example of it works these programs work you can actually grow and you can do good and you won't do you know you're not do anything wrong you know we're very straightforward we sell products so we don't do services so allow the rules and

who you can team with and things don't apply to us and we can just sell whatever we want for the the most part, as long as it's ethical and legal. You know, like we're talking like HP computers in Dell and Cisco and Adobe and everything you can imagine. We started with just basic HP computers. Dell wouldn't work with us. Dell was too big. And they were really confident that they could get along without us.

And so they just basically said no. So we called HP, which is the underdog. And we built our whole business in the early years just displacing Dell with HP. So we would go find major government agencies that were only buying Dell. And we would convince them to just take a look at HP. we'd come in with a very low price with a better spec computer that was faster, had a better warranty or whatever, and we'd win the deal. We got our first big contract.

We sold like 4,000 laptops or something like that to DynCore International. It was a dream come true. It was like we'd worked so hard on it, and we finally got that, and then that got us into the management at HP, and then that went crazy because, you know, people leave, and just the osmosis of it all, it really worked out well, and we ended up getting a great reputation. And just we've done almost $3 billion in sales.

now since we started. It's awesome. And again, very low margins. Still, you know, paying off my house. And, you know, it's not what people think, you know, even though I live a great life. You know, I have very comfortable and have, you know, wonderful cars and toys and things. I'm not complaining. I have a great life.

But it's just a, it's not at the scale that people think that it is. You know, I like to always, when I talk to people, I clear the air. When people come to Guston, I show them the books, you know, I'm like, I'm very transparent with it all, you know, especially one-on-one. If someone asks them, just legitimately curious about how things work, I'm always helping. We've mentored a ton of, um, we've mentored a ton of, people. I have an open-door policy. Anyone that's doing business in any area, doesn't you have to be something I know a thing about. You're welcome to come sit down with me and talk to me and I'll

give you any ideas I have and help however I can. Sometimes I won't be able to help. Sometimes I'm not the smartest guy in the world. I don't know everything. But I definitely am super interested in business and I'm fascinated by business models. Have a few different startups that have done over the years. Some successful. Some they're not successful. The jiu-jitsu stuff has been doing great. You know, that's a, I'm, you know, I'm a partner in that program. Two other, so for Gracie Charlottesville, you know, that I started with my friends back eight years ago or so. I started that with Hamza, excuse me, with Adam and Sean. And Adam and Sean were working at Gus Smart as well.

So we're all really good buddies and everything, and it just worked out great. Now, again, all three of us have different political opinions and things that are disagreeing on certain areas. Some things we line up, some things we don't. But I'm a 31% owner of Gracie Charlottesville. So when the online attacks come, like, oh, don't go to Gracie Charlottesle because Brent Lillard, it's like, I'm a 45% owner of GovSmart, and I'm a 31% owner of Gracie Charlestle, and in my opinions are my opinion. It's not the company's opinions. These are not, we don't talk politics at the gym. It's very frowned upon.

We don't want it to mix in any way, ship or form. I don't even let politics come across our group chat in the thing. It's just I don't want it. It's toxic. I have, you know, probably at least half of my friends are completely on the other side of the fence than me. I have really close people that I deeply respect intellectually and in other ways. You know, and they are, you know, I love to sit around and talk. I love to sit around like, why do you think this? Why do you think that? And I found that with these people that are on the opposite side, the more you talk, the more you go over everything, they realize, oh, that's why you think that way.

Of course. So like, for example, with like Democrat versus Republican, all this stuff, I'm a big believer that it's a two-headed snake and it's backed by the same groups. Same with me. That's my opinion of it. Yeah. But when I disagree. To divide the country so they can get influence and power over us to do. dictate their pace and tempo, which is oftentimes what's not in the news cycle.

Exactly. It's a big party and we're not in it. Yeah. And people think I'm in it because, you know, I have like a little bit of an image around town. I'm doing all these things. But the reality is like I've seen people that are in it and I'm not in it. It just doesn't work like sure. And so, but it's, uh, it's quite interesting because I have a lot of Republican friends who truly think I'm a Democrat. I have a lot of Democrat friends that truly think I'm a MAGA and they, they're just pissed about it. And so it's really an interesting place to be. Which means that you're doing it right. That means you're straddling the fence the right way and considering everything.

And that's how I feel with what we're doing here. Viewers and listeners are giving Brent props left and right. We'll relay the commentary from the viewers and listeners to Brent here in a matter of moments. This was the interview the Seville Weekly missed. Yes. Madison County, born and raised, entrepreneur, starts a business out of a kitchen with his roommate from college, has no money, has to bootstrap a business, goes to his father, sells his father a 10% stake in the business for 50K. His father also offers a line of credit.

The line of credit is collateralized by a purchasing order. If the line of credit is not paid back, they're on the hook for 200K. They go from $0 in 2010 to 500 million north plus in pipeline revenue 16 years later utilizes the success of the business to open

offshoot brands and businesses that create more job opportunities wait till we get to the charity this is what the CIVO Weekly missed Yeah we did a whole written Q&A with them and it was very detailed I spent a lot of time with the answers

and why don't we sit the stage first Okay so for the viewers and listeners that don't know and then I'll throw it to you this past week, and you can still find it online, I'm shocked that the owners of the CIVO Weekly have not taken this down. From my standpoint, this is a lawsuit waiting to happen. That's my words right there. There was an article written in the CIVO Weekly about Brent Lillard,

the co-founder of GovSmart. And the author of the article was the communications director for the Admiral County, Virginia Democratic Party. You can find it online. All this information is easily Googled. You can find it right away. And this article, instead of, of discussing or highlighting or showcasing or reporting, reporting is the right word. The success story

that is GovSmart, 2010 origination, $2,000 to $500 million in top line revenue, 90 plus employees, charitable donations, which will get to, offshoot brands and businesses that create more economic vitality locally, they instead decided to focus on a sliver of GovSmart's revenue. And that sliver was about $3 million, ladies and gentlemen. And I looked up the margin on it. It was $30,000 margin. Yeah. That's gross margin before the sales reps get paid and all the expenses come. Yeah, $30,000 gross margin. That's not even what you walk away there. Yeah, that's a 1.1% gross margin. Yeah. So that's the difference between the cost of goods sold and what we sell it for. Yeah, absolutely. And before we pay the people to do the work. Right. Absolute insanity. So they decide to

focus on the fact that the 18th revenue stream for this government contracting firm, is a revenue stream that is indirectly associated with ICE, immigration, customs enforcement. I'll let you go from there. Yeah, it ended up being one, I looked it up as one-tenth of one percent of last year's gross profit. So that was interesting to me. But anyway, it was all unbeknownst to me. I wasn't following this whole thing. I had seen some websites, oh, ICE contractors, I didn't really think we'd done a whole lot with ICE,

didn't think anything of it. But come to find out, we won a contract over 10 years ago called Sue. solutions for enterprise-wide procurement. And again, we started this organization, the Obama administration, did business with ICE back then. No one said a thing. It just wasn't even an issue.

And basically, it's been brought to my attention that we did these $3 million in sales. I just looked up today for the first time to find out how much the actual profit was on it because I wasn't sure. I never even heard about these deals. This is how things work at GovSmart. We have a lot of people,

a lot of sales managers, and a lot of layers. hear about the big ones. I hear about the exciting ones, anything that, something I can help on. But we have a general policy of helping the entire government. If I were to, you know, cherry-pick government agencies, I would have no customers to work with because, again, I'm, I disagree with 90% of what the government does. So I think, you know, if I were to be, you know, I'm not a big fan of the DEA and a bunch of different things, but that doesn't mean I have a problem with the people that work there or the people that are even enforcers. Like, they're just people doing their jobs. It's the politicians, you know, the people behind the scenes that are pulling the

strings that have, you know, reason behind things that we probably don't know. They're the ones I take issue with, not the individuals. So like a buyer that works for IRS, I'm not a big fan of the IRS, but a buyer that works with the IRS might be a great person, you know, and they might be wonderful. And so I don't like to write off people until after I met them and had experience with them myself. And through this whole thing, I've had so many people that I do not know who they are that claim to know me that say these things about me. But I've never seen this in person, like with people. Like, I don't treat people bad. And I'm sure that there's some disgruntled employee at GoSmart, not many.

But if you were to go, our employee list is very visible on our website. You can see every single person that works there with a picture of them and a phone number. And so if someone was very curious about how we treat employees, they're all right there. You could call and ask anyone. I'd be very surprised to hear if anyone, especially in our disadvantaged community, would be on board with any of the things said about me. I'd be very surprised because it's just not how I try to do things. But at the end of the day, you know, people expect a CEO of a half a billion dollar company to be some, you know, some magical person that doesn't make mistakes. And I am a redneck from the country.

You know, I'm a C student. You know, I'm just a regular guy with friends that started. I've been building this thing brick by brick, but I'm no superhero. And I have a horrible memory. And I've got a lot of problems with that stuff. And so I just like to get my thoughts out online and talk about it. And that has led to a lot of scrutiny over the years. And a lot of people assuming that just because I think this, that that's what GovSmart stands for.

when GovSmart's one of the most diverse organizations as far as, like, how people think. I mean, my gosh, I could give you examples, but it would be putting people's personal stuff out there. I can't do that. But I wish you knew the half of it. I have so many examples that I could give that we would not have nearly enough time, you know, picking up homeless people off the street in my Porsche and driving them to GovSmart and giving them a job and helping them get jobs elsewhere, like when it didn't work out. You know, basically like I've done a lot of things for a lot of people.

just to try to build the community and make sure that we hire the right people and build the right culture. I don't doubt your sincerity, your authenticity. I don't doubt your willingness to treat anyone in a golden rule type of mindset. Anyone that's kind of trying to depict another picture is coming about this with an agenda, and often that agenda is rooted in jealousy and comparison as the thief of joy. It's just facts of life. Comparison is the thief of joy. I want to get to the CIVO Weekly story.

You get contacted by an author from the CVille Weekly. Give us the flip book about what happened with that. Yeah, Nathan Alderman called me, said that he had seen all this stuff online and wanted to help clear the air. And I was like, oh, great. I'd love to do a Q&A with you. He wanted to do a regular interview. And I said, I'd really prefer it to be in writing because it's so polarizing. I want to take my time and think this out and, like, do it right.

He was very nice. He said he would, you know, make sure to be fair in the interviewing. and I told him that a lot of the people online are, you know, saying we don't get back, we don't do anything. It would be really nice to just go over that stuff. I gave him a very thorough list of all the things we've done just this past year alone. And unfortunately, he picked one thing that we, the smallest thing that we did in 2021 and presented the story as if that was what we've done. And it was just so disheartening. I would have rather him leave it out.

You know, because it's like, you know. You're talking to the charity. Yes, the charity stuff. So like if you, if you're going to pick, cherry pick one tiny little thing from several years ago, go when you have a whole list of everything from today, that's a little bit suspect. And so I wasn't happy with how it came out. The guy was really nice and, you know, I don't know anything much about him other than what you were saying on your show.

But it's, uh, it was definitely disheartening to see the story be spun. It seemed like they only released the answers and the perfect spin that they could to make it look as bad as possible. And I get it. You're trying to get views and clicks. And I know that that's the business model, but it sucks to sometimes be at the other end of that. But it, you know, kind of comes with the territory.

And I, and I've, and I've been at the end. other end of that. I've seen this first hand that seems to be their MO here. I'll throw this to you here. How did the revenue tied to ICE get on the radar? Your explanation with the revenue tied to ice didn't seem to actually communicate well with the article. Yeah. And the most damning, I thought it was journalistic malpractice. From my standpoint, you have an opportunity for a lawsuit here. the paragraph in the article that mentions IBM and Nazi Germany's ties and tries and tries to make an analogy to GovSmart, which you immediately push back on. Give us that play. It works so well.

It's such an effective attack on people because when you call someone a Nazi, even if only 10% of the people believe it or in passing, it just stains the character and you say it over and over and over and you just keep repeating it. And then people are like, oh yeah, that guy is a Nazi. But it's totally crazy. You know, it's absolutely ridiculous to me to make those comparisons. Like I said, I didn't even know that we had done any of the business. The revenue, it's one-tenth of one percent. It's ministerial. I wouldn't, it doesn't hit my radar.

Yeah. And so, you know, it's been just the funniest thing. I had a Hispanic, my main contractor is Hispanic guy. It was at my house last night working on some stuff with me. And he was just laughing so hard. He said the Hispanic radio or whatever news, the Hispanic news is just going after me hard right now. And I didn't even know that there was, I mean, I assumed that there was a Hispanic news, but I don't listen to it or know anything about it.

But he's like, that's not my explanation. He was telling me how funny he thought it was because it's like the polar opposite of his involvement with me over the year. I've worked with him and he built all of Gracie. You know, like, I mean, the whole thing is built by these guys. Like, I love these guys. I love everybody.

You know, I have, you know, Hispanic house cleaners, you know, every week. And I love all my people. People that work at GulfSmart. It makes, I mean, I'm married to a Brazilian. My partner is an immigrant. I'm actively trying to work on visas for four people. I have got things where I can't,

I have a guy in the Philippines, my oldest employees worked for me for almost 20 years. The guy is a total awesome guy. His name is Ricky. He's located in the Ila, the city, Philippines. He's standing in my house right now, visiting. But he is just like the rock. I mean, he's the guy. He's been like making telemarketing for the company for the longest time.

He's always been helpful. He's a wonderful employee. I would love to bring him here. I'd love to bring his wonderful family here. But it's not possible because he doesn't have the right degrees and it's not a scientific. field and because, you know, telemarketing to the government doesn't qualify for a visa. So it's just no way for me to bring them here. I've got a, I just bought into a northern Virginia jihitsu gym. We renamed it to Peter Sauer Academy. It was formerly a One Spirit Martial Arts.

And we had a guy lined up that was supposed to be the instructor. He was getting married to someone here in the United States. And that all fell through. And so now we would like to bring him on a, like a jihitsu visa, but it's impossible. You just can't do it. So I have a thriving or a business that would be thriving with this guy that would really help the community cannot bring him here. I have several examples of these things. And so I am definitely personally, my opinion is that I love immigrants. I'm married to an immigrant. I want there to be more immigrants.

I would like to see the whole thing cleaned up. I think the government has done a horrible job of letting millions in on purpose to sway the election and then doing a terrible job with optics and the way that they're going about things to get rid of it. It's just all disaster, but it's all, again, it's a two-headed snake playing the game. and at the end of the day, my personal opinion is that everything is around interest on the dollar, interest on the tax. So it's all about that. And so the people that run the world just need there to be spending.

They need there to be debt. There need there to be an increase constantly every day. They love it when everybody fights because that means the Democrats want something. They get it from the Republicans and some other bribe. You know, they trade, you know, build packages and like add things to both packages to make it all, you know, bloated so they all get their way. into super sketchy. I just have so many opinions and ideas, you know, on how I would do it if I were king, but I'm not king, and no one cares about my opinion. And so I might rant on my personal Facebook wall, you know, just to, you know, but that's supposed to be for my friends and family and people that

want to hear what I have to say. It's not supposed to be public for the whole world. You know, I'm not running as a politician. My wife has firmly said that she would divorce me if I ever became a politician. I don't think that's in my future, so I'm not really interested in that type of world. plus after seeing just some of the baseless attacks and some of the things some of the things are like fairly accurate and then spun the wrong way and other things are just like completely ridiculous like i drive a tesla even though i would i'm not even though i'm like i've seen this guy driving around town because they have a tesla yeah someone said and i would have a tesla don't get me wrong i love elin musk i don't have anything

against that um you know i'm a big entrepreneur and like i love science and all these things and so i'd naturally like elin for that and if i disagree with him on even nine tens out of what he says online that's irrelevant to me liking someone or not doesn't mean I like their politics and I actually do like most of his politics just for the record um but the um there was one that said that we own Shannon Joe Joe's coffee don't go to Shannon Joe Joe's it said I'm like I've never had any involvement that whatsoever I don't know where some of this stuff comes from and then other things are just like you know partially accurate which like you could tell they heard it from somebody but it wasn't exactly right and so it's been really interesting but I can't even imagine what it'd be

like to be a politician and be actually you know have you know millions of people looking at you and scrutinizing you because I'm a human being you know I'm going to make mistakes I'm going to say the wrong thing I'm going to like I'm God only knows I'm like like everybody else if you have the magnifying glass on you all the time you're going to look pretty bad eventually when you screw up you're getting this from Henrico Virginia this is from Holly Foster watching the show does Brent and his team plan to sue the Seville weekly I don't have any active plans for that the lawyers are reviewing it they they've heard some rumors that there could be a case there But to be honest, I love Seville Weekly.

I've always been such a fan of them. I've supported them every year through Gracie. We've won Best of Seville every year for like six years in a row or something like that with that. And so I go to the parties. All of my representatives that I've worked with there have been angels. I just absolutely love them. I have no problem with Seville Weekly. And even the Nathan Alderman guy was very nice to me on the phone,

even though he kind of felt like he kind of stabbed me a little bit in the article. But it is definitely stab me. If it stays in the realm of journalism and people have a differing opinion, that's totally fine. I just don't like it when it's so extreme and specifically made out to make me look like I'm some terrible person. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, you're a bigger man than I am. How you're handling this.

You know, as someone that's, you know, in someone in the light and has dealt with some of the stuff that you've dealt with, you and I have the thickest of skin and in some ways it fuels our fire and in some ways we find it entertaining and in some ways we almost thrive on it. The entertainment value is what digs the whole. Right. Yeah. We're the same makeup. But as someone who's been dealing with this for a while, this perhaps, you know, first rodeo for you here,

the collateral damage is the significant other. who may be more sensitive. I don't know yours. Oh, speaking certainly of mine. Because they're talking about her car that she drives all over the internet and like, you know,

it has a little on it and it's like it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. She was telling me today how scared she is that I'm getting on this show because, you know, she's worried that, you know,

someone crazy is going to shoot her or something because, you know, just because they know who she is. Yeah. Yeah. So that's the collateral damage. Yeah.

And, and, and, you know, I know firsthand from this. So throw, throw this to you, it would seem,

to me if a stone you know what's the the bible say it's eye for an eye eye i for an eye i know you certainly embody that might said i do it seems like an eye what part of the bible you read i guess it seems like a punch was thrown right the brent lillard i know is one who's of of self-defense and fights back depending on the intensity of it for sure okay yeah if some if i feel like the line was this seems intense right now we're kind of like right out the line you know where it's really it's definitely caused damage to my reputation for sure yeah You know, it's definitely caused me a lot.

You know, I took my whole company to the Dominican Republic, just got back last night. You know, had 110 of us out there. And it ruined my whole trip, you know, because I'm just reading these things and like, you know, arguing and, you know, and like trying to do my best to ignore it. But it's really hard because people are, like, I have a lot of friends and, you know, constantly I'm getting messages from new people. Other parts of the world. You're like, did you see this? You know, it's amazing. I'm like, yes, unfortunately, I've seen it.

But I'm getting a ton of support. I'm finding out I have a lot of friends in a lot of places that I didn't know. And that's been really impressive to me. Like a lot of people that have reached out. I'm like, I didn't even hardly know who you were. I really appreciate you said all this thing. So it's super awesome.

It definitely, you know, I just chalk it up to it comes to the territory and try to. I get that. With your resources, and this is my words talking, with your resources, if you choose to rebuttal, you'd put this company out of business. Maybe, yeah. You would. I wouldn't want to. No, right.

And that's, he's a bigger person here. But with his resources, he could put this company out of business if he wanted to with what they did. I'll highlight some of the comments that are coming in, which are by the hundreds on the program right now. Kevin Mullen's great interview. Maria Diana is highlighting Hamsa and how much of a fantastic person he is. Earl Smith, you tell him, Brett, one of the best business owners, family men and a man full of common sense. I will always stand up for Brent from Earl Smith. David Moore I know Earl Smith good man

David Morris another man I know Mick's martial arts background David Morris has come on the show Fantastic human being God-fearing person I have much respect for Brent Aaron Yao Estes go Brent Go Kevin Stanley making Charlottesville

Great again Tim Collier Brent is hands down the best of the best Charlottesville is lucky to have him in the community Kyle Sefc I can personally vouch that Brett has always been respectful and showing love to me even when he's strongly opposes things I do and say. He continues to seek this truth that speaks honestly. Bill Benia,

giving you props. Ricky, uh, billion, villainous. That's right. That's the Philippines guy I was telling you about it. He's, nobody is perfect, but I've known Brent for almost 20 years now, and he's one of the most nicest and generous people I've ever met. He basically changed my life for the better and have done nothing, has done nothing but support me. Evan Gray best. Brent is an amazing guy. I mean, I could continue. Nick Polis. is saying untalented people, untalented people are forever jealous of this man. I mean, there's hundreds of comments on the I Love Seville show watching the program right now. And Wickhauer, I'm so sorry you're having to go through all of this Brent.

Vanessa Park Hill and Ehrlichsville, spot on Brent, spot on. Conan Owen of Sir Speedy will give love to Sir Speedy, Central Virginia. Is given props to Brent Lillard right now. Sir Speedy is who you contact for anything logo related. signage, we use his firm, Sir Speedy, the banner behind me, the window decals, direct mail, Sir Speedy of Central Virginia, and Darnet Graduate, Coden Owen, Sarah Daley, Brett and Hamza are great. They're absolutely fantastic. I can continue. I mean, this is the problem, and this is why I, you know, regrettably, you know, and this is obviously, it's your, you're making the call here, but just my standpoint,

regrettably not seeking eye for an eye here allows what's happened to you to continue. Like this once a week publication is going to do this to somebody else. And the next person they're going to do it too is not going to have the resources and sophistication, frankly, money that you will have. And the next person that this happens to, it's going to be impacted in a way that's potentially even more. more damning than what it's going to impact you where it's really you know you're established right right and i'm very happy and i have a great life and there's no you know but somebody that might be right on the edge you know it could be the end for them that's what i'm saying it's really you know

and i'm sure you've thought of that of course yeah yeah so like that's the cross the crossroads lea westenberger watching the program giving you props the founder of toy lift tom pal is giving you props the truth always makes waves so stand strong brett i mean tyler berry logan wells clail the the the list is significant elected officials appointed officials folks on city salary giving you props people talking about how you open up your gym to law enforcement giving you props i mean i can i can do the whole show about people giving you love wow how's this make you feel almost made me cry earlier i had to had to look away for a minute so i really appreciate it how does this make you feel with the hardship you faced of late oh i mean it definitely helps a lot you know all the things that people

are saying you know really really helps i've been getting just a ton of messages from people that some of which I didn't even hardly know, and they say these things, and it really means a lot. And it's great, you know, because a lot of the bad things I'm hearing, I don't know who the people are, and it don't have any way to know. They like to stay hidden, so it makes it difficult. Inner circle for you, Adam Dean. Oh, yeah. When you get a spotlight on you, he says, you can either fight within the narrative they present and live within that negative, or you can take that spotlight and shite it on the truth.

And the reality of what you're doing is you're doing something really well. This is the Jiu-Jitsu way. Way to go, Brett. He's extremely proud of you. I could continue. I mean, this is the story that was missed in this hit piece, this Hatchet job that was published by the Civo Weekly. And it's frustrating from my standpoint as a business owner myself, because that's a small business that literally makes its living on advertising that's paid to them by other businesses locally. And this guy owns multiple business or is tied to multiple businesses from an ownership standpoint. It made no strategic sense. Right. It's a little weird. It's just an absolute... A lot of it's just come from memes and things and like just people they perceive I support. One thing that I do is even if it's someone I completely disagree with, if they say something I agree with, I share it.

And I don't think you think of it, you know. But people are like, how could you share that thing from that person that said that thing? And it's like, well, just based on what the thing they said is, I don't even know. I didn't really... I wasn't a big Andrew Tate follower at first, but I was posting a couple memes that would come open my feed because there were certain things he said that I like. Dug into it a little bit longer and there's a lot of things he said that I totally don't like and don't agree with. I think it's mostly for entertainment. But at the same time, it's more

about like whatever I do post is just my thought of the day. It doesn't mean that, you know, much too. Oh, you're a prolific social media user. Yeah, definitely. I mean, if you follow your Facebook page, which I do, we've been friends for a while on Facebook. You know, it would, it's, it's not uncommon for you to have two to three dozen new Facebook posts per day. Yes. Especially with sharing. I just share things. I don't even hardly comment sometimes.

Yeah, we're sharing. Buster Fox, watching the program. Fantastic baseball player. Fantastic pool player at one time. The best pool player locally. He and Bobby Anderson. He says coming from someone who has known Brett, he is a stand-up guy. He's met you through mutual friends, but he's got to know you more.

You're a great person that wants to make other people better. Here's something I'm curious of, because I find what you post on social media, you know, thought, provoking. Definitely. The polarization of American society because of this two-party political system. Right. You and I are relatively the same age. Very similar.

You know, wife, I don't know if your wife, stayed-at-home mom. She is. Yeah. Two sons in business for 18 years for us, 16 for you, significant hardship to now enjoying some fruits of extremely hard work. I think in a lot of ways we embody live like other people don't. So you can live like other people don't eventually. Right.

Okay. And like a decade or 12 years of no vacations, like eating Robin, you know, just doing stuff that my friends were like, what the hell are you doing? And now it's like the roles have been flipped. Absolutely. Okay. So I want to throw to you as someone who does not, who feels polarizer. alienated by literally the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. And I don't like identify with either one. And I just feel like, you know, is this two-party system done to strategically splinter America?

And if so, for what reason? I want to throw all that to you. This is something that you can very much offer commentary on. Again, this will be, you know, my personal opinions, my personal beliefs, which again are not shared by other owners of Gracie or GuffSmart necessarily, depending on what I say. So I definitely think it is designed to splinter. Again, I've over the years, you know, I've always talked about the central bankers and the tax and all these things, but I've started to kind of, you know, put it a little bit more into focus of what's happening, how it's happening. A lot of this Epstein dump stuff is kind of, you know, shedding a lot of light on, you know, how bad it is. You know, depending on what news source you read, you know, if you're, if you watch, you know, CNN and NBCNBC, you're going a completely different thing than if you're on Twitter, you know, or X or, you know, going down the list,

depending on what you follow and things like that. So over the years I've definitely linked up with a lot of the conspiracy theorist type stuff. And I digest a lot of this stuff, some of which I agree with, some of which I totally disagree with. But I absolutely think that there is a very strategic effort by international central bankers that are unable to be spoken ill about without massive retaliation, if you get specific. and their goal is to increase taxation. Their goal is to make sure that there's a huge national debt. They want to have the income tax to go up.

Basically, you know, if you look at we're paying trillions of dollars right now and interest on the debt. And that's the goal. You know, that's the people that are pulling the strings and they're financing both sides of wars. You know, they've been doing that since the beginning of time. You know, it's a very, very deep system. if you understand the numbers a little bit more and not claiming that I do, but I think that I do more than the average,

because I've spent more time researching into it. If you really look at the numbers, it'll make you think twice about anything the government does because you're like, okay, well, they're horrible at spending money. If you give them a billion dollars, about a million of that is going to go to anything useful, the rest of what's going to line everyone's pockets. I think that they actually should be paying the congressmen and senators a lot more than they're paying them. I think that what they should be doing is banning them from any, form of income ever outside of that for 10 years after they get out they can't touch a thing

but they need to pay them like two million dollars a year so that it attracts the best and the brightest and the people that are actually want to go take that job but nancy pelosi and these people or anyone on the other side too i don't care what side you're on you shouldn't be getting filthy rich in politics that's ridiculous and so and i think that that's the culture that we have is that all the the politicians get in you know they'll they'll allocate a billion dollars over here for this thing and they get paid off you know a couple hundred thousand themselves. But they do that all day every day,

and then you end up with trillions of dollars in debt and a total disaster. So the reason that I'm not like a hardcore Democrat is because I think we can't afford it. I think that if we bankrupt the country that we're going to have starvation on a massive scale, I don't think that huge forms of charity, or not charity, excuse me,

but welfare, like the way that things have been set up, I think they're too extreme to ever have sustainability long term. And so that's purely the reason that I don't like it. I'm huge on charity. I'm huge on giving. You know, if you were to know the half of it, you know, I think that most people, if they knew the half of it, they wouldn't say any of the things they say. But it's like, I can't, I can't go giving everyone's personal examples away. I can't go giving names of every little person that's helped. It's just not nice. So a lot of this stuff we do is

totally anonymous and not not talked about on our feeds or anything like that. And that's how we prefer it. There's some things we are very vocal about if we, if we support the charity and want everyone to, you know, to donate to that charity, then we'll mention a little bit more if we think it's worth it. But It's, I'm very big on, I think that the free market would actually solve a lot of problems if you had certain things in check, a true constitutional republic. The patent system and things like that totally make it not possible to have a true free market. You can't, you can't empower the worker and the average person if there's the patent system. Because you will always, even if you can't have monopolies, well, you can buy this company, buy that company, buy that patent, buy that patent.

You can't swipe left now. You can't swipe up. You can't double click. all these things, every time a phone gets invented, they have to go to billions of dollars in lawsuits to get past all the patent problems and all the things. It totally stifles invention, in my opinion. I totally see the argument for it and why it incentivizes inventions, all these things too. But the problem is that there's a very few entities that run the entire world. Just the company's State Street Vanguard BlackRock. I mean, good grief. They own almost everything. There's almost not a brand that you've ever heard of that isn't in one of those companies. And so there's, there's, uh, there's, uh, There's so much of that type of stuff, and it's just so complex that when you talk to people on the surface about a particular issue, like welfare or something like that, they will misunderstand you and think, oh, you're not compassionate. It's not that. It's that I'm compassionate in a different way. I think about going about it in a different way.

You know, that's how it would work. DoD, you know, I very, very much support the men in the uniform. I have the guys working for me that I do not deserve. You know, people that have done things that I would never be capable of. people that are 10 times the man than I am, you know, that work for me and I'm very lucky. And they seem to love working at Gus Martin. They seem to really respect me. I don't know why at a certain point.

You know, I'm always like, you know, wondering, like some of these guys are just so wonderful. So I just have just a huge respect for them. However, the end goal, the end game, I think, is being played by people not in that category. And I don't think they're doing it for the right reasons. So I spoke out against Afghanistan, for example. Like I spoke out against Afghanistan big time, thought it was a waste of time. What the hell are we doing over there? Why is it that Saudis with box cutters like, you know, take down a plane and then we go blow up Afghanistan?

What does that have to do anything? But then you would really look into it. It had nothing to do with any of that. They just use excuses, you know, to go get what they need done. It's all financial. It all has to be in banking and like, you know, money politics. So, you know, of course I employ, fortunately, again, you know, badass guys that were involved in shutting down the base when it was time to shut down. I've heard all kinds of things.

and it's all a mess. You know, it's all deeply flawed, and the waste is beyond anyone's understanding. The problem is it's so widespread. There's so much waste and so much fraud and so much abuse all throughout, that it all blends in with each other. And when you try to point light on one thing, it just drowns out with the rest. And that's what we're kind of finding out right now with a lot of these Epstein dumps and things. And there's no, there's no, I don't even know if anyone will go to jail because they're just emails and things,

and there's no way to verify what's true and what's not. there's so much horse crap in every subject. The scariest thing for me with the Epstein dumps, the scariest thing is the fact that this is going so significantly unreported by legacy media. That's the terrifying thing with me. The stuff that's in the Epstein dump, the latest one, is literally a dot connection of the most powerful and influential people in the entire world through this Jeffrey Epstein individual, child predator,

Let's put it that way. Child Trader. And you turn on whatever your news platform is, whether it's, you know, Fox, MSNBC, CNBC, CNN, the post, anything. And you're seeing such little coverage of it. That's terrifying. That's exactly. Like where you're really seeing it is X because of this unfiltered feed or this like, it's almost X has become, and this is not about politics. this is just the reality.

It's become the free market of news. Right. And the trading of ideas of whether you like them or not, they are just present. And then it's up to the individual user to decipher the content they're reading if it's meritable or not. Right. It's like ugly truth, but it's just real content. And if you really look at it, you know, I've seen some horrible things on there that I just horribly regret rolling down. You know, where it's just like, wow, how did that get on there?

That should have never made it on there. You know, but like there's also like all the things that the mainstream news, they're all owned by a couple of people. I mean, there's only like a few groups that own everything. Right. And so it's why would they let that come out? You know, they have an agenda. They're all in, you know, the same, the same, you know, fraternities basically. So why would they go against each other?

And it's, and where I'm going with this is that agenda, it's, you've seen it at a macro level, a global level with this Msteen coverage. And you've now seen it at a micro level with the coverage. John Brent. Right. Like all the news in some capacity has some kind of agenda. Yes. And, and, and, and, you know, it's advertising. You know, it's like, it's all about, you know, getting more viewers, you know, and if you get more viewers, how do you get more viewers? Where you got to have something polarizing? You got to have something exciting. You know, and so that's what they, they just, like, extremify every story, like, make it so ridiculous. And then they changed the laws years ago to make it okay to lie, cheat and steal their way through media, you know? And so now there's like, it's in the system, you know, it's just how it all

operates. And so, you know, like, for example, why in the world would the news ever say anything that is contrary to big pharma? Why? That's their number one donor. Yeah, big farmers are top spender. If you were to take out the big pharma's ability to spin with them, which I'm not advocating for, I'm a libertarian, but if you did that, they would immediately stop defending big farmers. We saw that with local media in Charlottesville. Yeah. With the coverage of the UVA health system and the alleged white collar racketeering where the UVA hospital system was legitimately changing medical charts to maintain performance standards and national rankings, positioning profits over patients, doing dangerous surgeries on children despite doctors whistleblowing saying, we can't do

this because we don't have the resources or technology to do it, and then C-suite at the hospital saying, do it anyway because we want the money. And nobody and legacy media besides what we're doing here was willing to cover this story because UVA Health is the top advertiser locally. Right, right. It's insane. It's impossible. It's the same thing. And you can't blame them. I mean, you're running an organization. Like, you're doing it to make money, you're doing it to make it all work. You know, and so you end up, like, you look out for all the people that work there and you try to do the right thing

for the company. You know, it's just like, it's just how it goes. It's just the policies, the laws that, like, lead to all this, they're, you know, they're suspect. You know, there's a lot of things that are wrong. You, you, we've gone an hour and change here. You, you, this interview's been fantastic, and this is how the interview should have gone in, and

print, ladies and gentlemen, with the Seville. How about, with a ton of people watching the program still, the show is yours. commentary, message for the community, anything that we haven't covered, something you want to get off the chest. In a lot of ways, our tombstone, Brent, our tombstone is, when we pass, is no longer going to be a tombstone where our sons and our wives, because God willing, you know, they're so a lot, yeah, when they come and visit us, our tombstone is not going to be a stone in a park,

setting next to other stones. Our tombstone is going to be our legacy of when our name is pumped into a search engine and what shows up on that search engine. So as someone who's been in this position, the damning impact that what they've done to you is tarnished and otherwise prestigious and very impressive digital tombstone. Because this story will be peppered on that digital tombstone for your grandchildren to one day read. Right. And then it will be up to them to say, you know what? That's not who the person is.

Right. Okay. So for an opportunity for you to pepper your digital tombstone with this, because this interview will forever be ingrained in that digital tombstone for your grandkids to see and read, offer a closing message here's it. Here it is. Offer a closing message to your grandkids. Right.

Right here on the Al of Seville Show. Because your grandkids will hear what you say here. I have to spend some hours on that one. You know, I think that the main thing is just to, that my message I'd want to get out to everybody is just have debates with people. You know, keep it along the subjects, try not to make it personal. You know, if you're out there and you're one of the people on Reddit that, you know, hates my guts, you know, I'm really sorry for whatever I would have done to make you think that.

But at the same time, please don't direct it to people that work from my company that don't feel the way that I feel about those things and don't direct it towards, you know, all the companies that I'm involved with. They're wonderful in the community. Gracie Charlottesville, I think, is one of the best things ever happened to Charlottesville. We have hundreds and hundreds of students. I've never heard of a single story

where someone was unhappy or treated bad. I mean, every single person comes to me with a big hug and just loves everything that we're doing there. It is a sanctuary. When I walk in that door, I feel really, really good. Everybody loves it. And it's very, you know, it doesn't matter who you are. Every type of diversity and opinion,

they're all friends, and we love them all. And it makes no difference what you believe, except for on an entertainment standpoint, you know, talking to each other and being curious and finding out things because we're really powerless to the system. I mean, the two-headed snake is, you know, it's not the two-headed snake. It's who's feeding the two-head snake. You know, and that entity is way more powerful than any of us could ever go up against. So try to try to just take it a day of time and, you know, try to stay sane through it all. I'm grateful for your time. Thank you so much.

I really appreciate the platform. Yeah, I sincerely mean it. Brent Lillard, ladies and gentlemen, an hour of, I think, the man who he really is. And you saw that over the last 64 minutes here on the I Love Seville Show. And thank you to the viewers and listeners that watched the program. I'm sorry we didn't get to all the comments. And thank you for all the comments. I really appreciate that.

Again, almost made me cry when you were reading them off. Some of these people are just really important to me, and I just respect all these guys. And some of that didn't even know who they were. And it's even more special sometimes when it comes from people you've never even. 100%. 100%. And I didn't even get to all of them. Thank you to Judah behind the camera. I think you see what the show is all about. We're just trying to figure out what's going on around here. And we do it in a way where we crowdsource ideas. We put those ideas on a platform that has a ton of eyeballs. And then we allow you, the viewer and listener, to decipher what you want to take from those ideas that you're hearing and reading and seeing. That's the whole essence of the I Love Seville show. We are back tomorrow on the program on a Wednesday. And we thank you guys for, watch it and listening. Take care. Yeah, thank you. Very nice. Don Brett is going to tell you when the mics and cameras are off.