The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Jon Quesenberry Joined Nate Kibler Live On "The White Mountain Ministries Show!"

Episode Date: October 22, 2024

Jon Quesenberry, Director of Charlottesville House of Prayer and Church Planter of The Dwelling Place, joined Nate Kibler live on The White Mountain Ministries Show! The White Mountain Ministries Show airs live Tuesday from 2:30 pm – 3:30 pm on The I Love CVille Network. Watch and listen to The White Mountain Ministries Show on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, iTunes, Apple Podcast, YouTube, Spotify, Fountain, Amazon Music, Audible and iLoveCVille.com. “The White Mountain Ministries Show” is presented by Opening Doors Real Estate.

Welcome to the White Mountain Ministry Show. I am your host, Nate Kibler. I thank you for watching, for listening, for praying, and being a part of what the Lord is going to do through this show today. Hey, this ain't church, y'all, but it is all about the kingdom of God. We are very excited. I'm about to introduce our special guest in Kingdom Connection of the Day, John Questenberry. But first, I just want to, again, thank you for watching. Thank you for being a part of this show. I want to thank our sponsor and partnership with Opening Doors Real Estate and Melanie Morris. They are just opening up their new brokerage on the corner there by Dunkin' Donuts between Albemarle and Greene County border. So been buying and selling real estate for a long time. Reach out to Melanie and Opening Doors Real Estate.

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So share the show, guys. That's one of the most important things you can do to help this show is to share it. That will have reached thousands of people that I do not have access to. So thank you so much. All right, so we are going to bring John on. So let me know when we can see John Junawickauer. He's giving the thumbs up. Hi, John.

Hey. Great to be here, Nate. Yes, thanks for joining us, my brother. You are looking good and ready to roll. My wife told me this morning, she said, wear the white and gray hat and wear it backwards. There you go. And Jerry, I got Jerry Miller complimenting me on my wardrobe today. I think he's called it a quarter zip it called, Jerry? A quarter zip.

A quarter zip that I got. And you got Commander right there too, man. Yes, yes. That works. Yes, so anyways, I'm just having fun. But thank you, John. You've been a longtime friend now. So I always like to talk about,

because you are our kingdom connection, I'm not just plucking people out of thin air and having them on the show. We have eternal life. John 17 is to know Jesus Christ. talk about because you are our kingdom connection. I'm not just plucking people out of thin air and having them on the show that, you know, we have eternal life. John 17 is to know Jesus Christ and our relationship, it matters for us to have intimate relationships with each other. And you and me have had a good relationship for a long time. And yeah, so I remember when we met and it was actually at the former Charlottesville house of Prayer when it was out near UVA, and it was called the... The Charlottesville House of Prayer.

But it was in a building. What was the name of that building or another business? Oh, it was called the Well House. The Well House. There you go. Yeah, yeah. It was a coffee shop. That's where we started.

Well, tell us about yourself, John, a little bit. Wow. Okay, so I was born... No, a little bit. Wow. Okay. So I was born, no, I won't start back that far, but I grew up in Baltimore. I was a group in a pastor's home. I'm pretty much sure I didn't want to do Christian ministry because you had to be poor and desperate. And so I went to college being sure that I didn't want to be involved in ministry went to school for to be a school teacher ended up getting a nursing degree and was working in the hospital when the Lord got a hold of me again called me to ministry and my wife and I and we had

three out of our four kids we packed up up. We lived in Charlottesville. We packed up and moved to the seminary, which was over at Harrisonburg, and went to seminary there. And so my faith journey has been all over the place. I followed the Lord when I was very young, had an experience called the baptism of the Holy Spirit. It was a powerful experience. How old were you then? Eleven. Okay.

And I used to just put my hands on people and pray for them to be healed and pray for rain. I mean, it was incredible. God just showed up in powerful ways. No JV Holy Spirit, right? What's that? There is no JV Holy Spirit. Oh, junior varsity? No.

I agree with that. Even at 11 years old. But then I kind of ran away from God, uh, when I was 18 and then got called back in to the, to the ministry and got my life kind of squared away at age 28. I was kind of a long, a long side trip, but I learned a lot during that time. And by the time I was 30, as I mentioned, I was in seminary and graduated and started a church in Charlottesville here. And since then, I'm in my third work, third church plant right now. You know, brother, I honor you and I appreciate you.

And I think that you know this, but you may have forgotten. But you were actually the first person who ever gave me an opportunity in ministry to actually preach, minister in a corporate setting. Wow. That was at the House of Prayer back in maybe probably 2019. Yes, sir. You gave me the opportunity to do that. And you were actually also the first person that ever prophesied over me. Oh, wow.

I do not know if you know that either. I think I went about a year and a half where I was really walking with the Lord and I was, I kind of didn't really want anybody to prophesy over me because I already felt like confident in what the Lord was speaking into my life. And it was almost like if somebody spoke that over me or something like that, maybe I would like feel like I was going to be putting pressure on myself, and I never wanted to do that. But you and I believe it was, oh, my gosh, what's her name? She's been at the House of Prayer for so long. Stephanie? No, not Stephanie. Oh, my goodness.

Anyways, it's okay. Sharon. Sharon, yeah, okay. Is it Jacobs? Sharon Jacobs. Sharon Jacobs, yeah, you and Sharon were there. Yeah, we did a lot of street ministry together, you and me and Sharon. Well, we've done a lot of things together over the years.

Street ministry, we've done healing conferences together. We did that conference that one time out in Greene County together. So we really do, you know, we have a history. But I honor and appreciate you, so I'm glad that you've come on the show with us. I really appreciate it, Nate, and I honor you too, man. I acknowledge the hand of God on you. I just see it every time we meet, every time we talk, I just see God moving in powerful ways. I've learned a lot from you as well. Well, thanks for being obedient to the Lord. You know, you were talking about when you were younger

having the baptism of the Holy Spirit, but I remember you sharing with me before that you were, I mean, the Lord showed you some very specific and supernatural things from a very young age with pregnancies and that kind of thing. Can you go back and share some of those stories that I remember some really powerful stories you shared with me? Well, actually, when I was 13, there was this situation in my home church where a young man and a young woman, they were married and they could not have a child. And so they asked me for some reason, you come over and you pray about this. And within 10 months, they had a child. They were pregnant and they were on their way to having a child. And so there for a while, actually, people would call me from different places around Hagerstown when I was growing up and they'd say,

come over and pray for this couple. And it was a unique ministry for a while. I can't put my mind around it. I don't understand how that is, except that I had faith to pray for that. And it's interesting. Certain supernatural things happen. But I think it's all based on a knowledge of God, which the Bible talks about, the knowledge of God. But it's not just knowing about God. It's knowing God, talking to Him, personal relationship. So God showed up in powerful ways when I was younger. That's the takeaway. Okay. Well, I see this. It seems like this happens a lot. And I guess it happened to me in some ways.

I grew up Christian, but I never really had that encounter with God until I was 35 years old and everything in my life changed. It sounds like you encountered him at a very young age. The Lord was working through you, even as it really is a child. and you said you kind of ran away at 18 so knowing God was real and knowing that you were experiencing like how why do you think you ran away wow okay so I really can't answer that I really can't answer that with a degree of certainty but I just know that my impressions of Christian ministry was that it was not very fun. I pictured the fact that if you're going to serve the Lord, you had to be poor. And there was just some concerns that I had about it, my impression of it. Actually, so if you could look at it objectively, it was fear. Um, because, you know, we, we read in the Bible where God always provides where he guides,

he provides, we know that. Um, and, and I didn't have faith for that. I just didn't, didn't have faith for that. So I ran away from God. Also, you know, when you're 18, there's a lot of inclination, a lot of, a lot of drawing in the world to do things that are, that you consider to be fun. But instead of producing freedom, those things actually produce bondage. And that's what I experienced. Yeah. I mean, it's, um, gosh, I grew up in church my whole life. And the truth is that, uh, standard Methodist and Baptist churches. And, um and I don't feel like I was indoctrinated by religion, but I was just bored. And there was never any power. I never experienced them.

So I was similar in the sense that I just thought that you just go to church on Sundays and you read your Bible and you say your prayers and that's it. I knew nothing about this kingdom of God. Wow. And that's the problem with cultural Christianity, what I'm calling cultural Christianity. Standard church is 70 minutes on a Sunday morning. Now, the church was never meant to be 70 minutes on a Sunday morning. It was meant to be a community of people who love God and give their attention and affection to God and who love one another as they love themselves. It's the great commandments.

Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength and love your neighbor as yourself. And we just kind of gloss over that. But what does that mean? It means worship. You know, if you love somebody, you spend time with them, right? It means prayer. See, prayer and worship are huge. God loves that because he likes hearing our voice. He likes seeing our face. He likes to

hear what's inside of our hearts for him. Communication with the Lord, that's why I'm the director of the Charlottesville House of Prayer, because we figured out that prayer is talking to God, but it's not only talking to God, it's hearing God. Now, I'll tell you what, it gets really exciting when you hear God. You mentioned prophecy. Prophecy is just hearing God. You just get yourself open. It's like playing football. You just get open. You have to get away from all the crowded thoughts and ridiculous things that are going on and all the things that enemy is trying to tell you. That's why we teach people to get into the quiet place.

And you get open. And then you receive what God's sending to you, giving to you. And it's life. Jesus said, my words, it's not information. My words are spirit and they are life. So prayer really is not just talking to God. In fact, that's not a good definition. Prayer is actually listening to God and responding. So if you're listening, it's a whole exciting

thing. And I guess we'll talk more about prayer, but yeah, man, that's the reason I got into the ministry, the direction of ministry that I was in, because church is boring without talking to God, without actual communication, without actual interaction. In fact, I wrote a book two years ago called Presence-Based Community. This whole idea that it is a community, that the church is a community that's based on being present to God. That's the vertical dimension. And then being present to one another. How do I take care of God and listen to God and hear God and interact with God, loving with all heart, soul, mind, and strength?

And how do I love others as I love myself, which is this incredible sacrificial thing that most people just find impossible. But the reality is that's what church is. That's all it's ever been. To know God is to love him. And if you really know his heart and you do have an intimate relationship with him, you know he's a good, good father. A lot of us in the church, we love him, we believe in him, but we don't really know him. And the enemy, unfortunately, has done a good job of convincing people that he doesn't love us or that we can't have an intimate

relationship with him. Why would he really care about us? Why would he speak to us? Why would we be able to, you know, to speak to him and have this beautiful relationship? So what do you say to people? Because I'm sure you have to see this all the time as well. People will look, well, I can't hear from God. What do you say to people because i you know we don't make it a method i mean this is why you're here though what clearly you've had um i don't even want to use the word success but you've been able to help people in their relationship with the lord and their walk with the lord right absolutely well well 80 percent of believers say they don't hear god's voice okay now that's a problem because Jesus said, my sheep hear my voice.

What does sheep do? Sheep follow the shepherd. Now a lot of times people expect God to catch them on the fly. They're in their car. They're, hey God, I'm listening. Four seconds. Okay, I'm on. What we teach is that God speaks,

but he speaks in different ways than we expect. The reality is that we're used to speaking on demand. Like I ask a question, you tell me, it's all information. Or hear the audible voice of God loud and clear in a moment. Yeah, yeah. And everybody has experiences. All Christians have experiences where they know that they heard from God on something. But they don't know how to cultivate that.

Now, the thing about it is that there's a discipline in the Bible called seeking the face of the Lord. Moses sought the face of the Lord. Abraham sought the face of the Lord. David sought the face of the Lord. You can read about that. What does that mean? And we all go, well, let's seek the face of the Lord. Lord, where are you?

What are you doing? And then we just give him, it's actually learning how to get quiet enough. Honestly, it's actually learning how to still yourself. It's in Habakkuk. Get out of your flesh and into your spirit. Yeah. Habakkuk 2 says, I will quiet myself and I will look to see what he will say to me. And then I'll write it down. And that's the method we teach. We teach this whole idea, because a lot of times the Lord's speaking to us and we go, nah, that's a crazy thought. We do. He says stuff like, go over and ask that man, or ask him a question, or serve this person. We hear the Lord all the time, but we haven't learned how to cultivate it.

Well, how do we know it was God in those moments? Well, it's a rhetorical question this time. I'm going to say we go across the street and we bless them. We speak to them. We start a conversation with them. And really quickly, 95% of the time, I can't speak for everyone, but from my experience, what I've seen with the the lord if you hear his voice and you step out in faith there's going to be fruit from that right right okay hearing his voice a lot of times people have a hard time uh separating that from emotions or separating that from impulses right and and and it's difficult because you you do have to learn how to not,

you do have to learn how to quiet your heart and hear what he's doing because he does amazing things, stuff that you wouldn't normally do. So we teach a course on quieting your heart, being able to hear the Lord. But it is processed whereby it's not like on demand. Because the Lord, he's Lord. He does things in a way that's spiritual, ways that we don't expect. And it's not spooky. It's just not natural.

It's supernatural. So you have to understand, and we teach this, and mostly it's subjection. Fasting helps a lot. Spending time. Changing the way we see, right? Yeah. Changing the way you see, getting yourself in a place. Like I said, get open. So many people are trying to talk to God in the midst of a lot of gray water in their life. They have all this garbage coming in. Like you watch two hours of TikTok and then try to talk to God. It's very, because you

kind of have a pollute, your head's, I mean, nothing bad about TikTok, but too much of this kind of flood of the world makes you kind of numb. So there is this setting apart. There is this, I mean, you can see it in the Bible where Moses sought the face of the Lord. So he went up on a mountain. He got alone. Jesus sought God. He went alone. There's these parts where there are mountaintop experiences, and they usually happen when you just go after God with all your heart. It's something interesting that you're saying about, you know,

you just got two hours off of TikTok. It matters what you do, like, before you go to bed as well. What are you pouring into your body, into your spirit as you're go to bed as well and like what what are you you pouring into into your body it's your spirit as you're as you're getting right to bed like are you watching football are you watching netflix are you what what are you doing you know a lot a lot of times you know i it's a just finish the day and start the day with the lord yeah yeah a lot of times we'll we'll we put the bible app on my wife and i will put the bible app on and we'll listen it's almost always the gospels we want to hear Jesus.

It was really interesting because last night I had on the book of John and was listening to the Gospel of John, and there's something that the Lord put on my heart for a message that I'm giving this Sunday that was new. It's a new message for me. And I've been kind of just taking it to him and asking him to show me more. And there was something that he, anyways, I'll just go ahead and say it. He said, Jesus spoke, he said, call no man your father except my father in heaven. And well, I was in the book of John

and I said, okay, that was in John. I'm going to wake up and go to that was in the book of john and i said okay that was in john i'm gonna wake up and go to that verse in the morning well i got up this morning and i could not find that in the book of john it said it's in matthew 23 oh wow so i think it was the lord like he was i'm just trying to get out when you go and you and you seek his face and you're like i was like half asleep and i know it was this guy that was reading the bible that but does it make sense what i'm saying i believe that the lord gave me a verse that's in scripture but it wasn't even what i was listening to so we just talk about hearing from god i mean god can talk to us in so many different ways yeah and a lot of people feel like you like to be out of, you know, they say God only speaks through the Bible. Right.

Well, Jesus said very clearly in John chapter 15, 16, I forget if it was 15 or 16, but he said, I will not leave you or forsake you. If it says, if I go, I'll send the comforter to be with you. He'll remind you what I've said, and he will guide you into all truth. Okay, there's this idea that Jesus doesn't say, okay, you guys have studied enough, you've got it, go on with this. He says, no. He says, when I go, I'm not going to leave you. In fact, there's this presence of God that's going to be with you to remind you about what I said and to lead you into all truth.

It's really wild because a lot of people, particularly a lot of more conservative or fundamentalist type folks, they say God doesn't speak anymore. Well, that's half the gospel because if you read the New Testament, it's very clear that these guys lived on every word. Jesus lived on every word that came out of the mouth of God, that we hear his voice by doing that. And it's not weird. The problem, the reason people denigrate this hearing God is because they feel like, well, I've seen some people get off on this. This has been weird for some people. And there is. There's a potential for weirdness but like anything good there's more potential for power and purpose in allowing god to speak and allowing god to move in your life and giving space to god moving in powerful ways than there is to this idea well i'm

going to lose it i'm going to miss i'm going to i'm gonna i'm gonna you know the nervousness needs to be released into the hands of god so that he can move we just have to have grace for ourselves too i mean my goodness we're learning to hear from an invisible god right and in some ways it's very very simple right in other ways like you said it takes it takes a cost and paying a price and lots of lots of time in this secret place and spending time with him to cultivate that relationship. Right. How I would describe it is you give your affection and your attention. Okay?

Quality. Well, no. Quality time is overrated. It's your affection and your attention. Because if I like you, if I have some affection for you, I'm going to spend time with you, and it's not like I'm counting the minutes. If I give my attention to you and I'm listening to you, it involves time, but time is a byproduct of what's happening because you can spend time with God.

Time with God. I spent an hour on the Word today. It can be, and see, that's the struggle when you have a quiet time. It's not, well, I spent five minutes, I spent ten minutes. What about giving your attention and your affection to God in the midst of it? Like, in the morning I get up, I open the Bible, and I read for five, ten minutes. Well, John, that's not much of a quiet time. It's an important

start to the day. What I do is I get into the prayer room on Tuesday mornings for several hours and I just get on the floor. I get before the Lord. I said, God, if you don't move in my life, if you don't talk to me, then nothing's going to happen. And I ask him questions and we have conversations sometimes. I'm just writing. Other times I'm just waiting. Nothing happens. But I feel like he's moving things inside of me. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. There's this transformation that God does. He renews our minds in him where we actually think God thoughts. Yes.

And it's not because... Well, it's God having the mind of Christ, right? Yeah. And it's not by Bible... It's Bible thoughts. Amen. But it's not just Bible Well, it's called having the mind of Christ, right? Yeah, and it's not by Bible... It's Bible thoughts, amen. But it's not just Bible thoughts, you know what I'm saying? So you have to make yourself available when you hear God. And so the cultivation of a relationship with Jesus is not based on time.

It's based on affection and attention. Whether you give your affection to him and you give him your attention. It's interesting because I won't get into this. I just heard it say before i've heard many people say before where there's three voices the voice of god your voice and then the voice of the enemy but i hear and i kind of steer more towards this because once you truly become one with christ you hear the voice of enemy and then your voice is one with God. Our thoughts become his thoughts. Yes, yes, we are transformed. Yes. But my words aren't always God's words

because I come up with some pretty doozies. I come up with some doozies. So I do believe in the process of redemption and transformation. And I do believe that God is doing a powerful work. I would never say like jesus did if you've seen me you've seen the father because jesus was fully and integrated into the presence of god the presence of god fully was expressed through him now i'm completely who he was yes now the thing is we we're heading that way we're being transformed right yeah but what's

i still have nate thoughts too. Oh, that's... I'm glad. I don't hear many Nate thoughts, though. They're usually God thoughts, though. That's pretty good. Oh, they're there, brother. So, yeah, with childlike faith, using our imagination, because it sounds like you heard the voice of God at a very young age,

but that never left. Well, I had dreams and visions. It's crazy because when I was 12, 13 years old, I would wake up in the morning and tell my dreams, my visions to my parents. And they'd go, man, that's like, you know, because they were having a renaissance in their relationship with God. Yeah, dreams. Okay, the Bible's very clear. Normal Christians have dreams and visions. Peter had a dream and a vision.

John, the whole book of Revelation, is a vision. It's crazy because people think dreams and visions are something special. You better, but then there are people who are just running after dreams and visions. This is what I want to say. If you're after God, you will have experiences. If you're after experiences, you can really miss it. Let me say that again.

If you're after God, you're seeking God, you're after him, you will have dreams and visions. You will have experiences. But if you're after dreams and visions, you're after experiences, you may get some craziness. Well, what's the real motive of our heart? Are we searching after signs and wonders? Are we searching to have every scripture memorized in the Bible? Because all of these things can become religious. Everything can become an idol.

Yes. The biggest thing is who do you love the most? Jesus asked all these people, do you love me? He would do this a lot. Even at one point in his ministry, he said, unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no part of me. And everybody went, whoa, I'm done. I'm out of here because that's way too. But Jesus was all about relationship.

He was not about, can you repeat what I just said? Can you understand what I'm, it was about, do you know me? In fact, that's the scene at the end of time. Jesus is standing before people when he says to the people on his right hand, he says, go into the kingdom, what's reserved for you, your eternal inheritance. And then the other people left said, well, wait a minute, what about us? And they said, we did this, we did this, we did all these good stuff. And then he says to them, I never knew you. So it's really crazy. People say, well, you just got to do good stuff,

got to follow the Bible, got to, but honestly, man, it's very clear from the Bible that knowing Jesus is the primary, primary way that we live the abundant life. We live the eternal life. I do not read this Bible to memorize scripture. I do not read this Bible for verses for sermons. I read this Bible to know him. Right. To know him deeper. It's the owner's manual. Okay, I would say it this way. The Bible is the written word of God. But the word of God is a living reality.

The word of God is a person. The word is Jesus Christ. The word turned flesh. that's Jesus Christ. Right. People say, I believe the word of God and they'll wave around a Bible. And if you just read the Bible, then you will have understood the written word of God. But the living word of God is still speaking. And the written word of God takes this, the living word of God takes this, this written, the living word of God takes this written word of God and makes it alive. In fact, a lot of times I'll be following... That's why our relationship with Holy Spirit matters so much. Yeah. And a lot of people think the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit. They don't understand that the Holy Spirit is God. Yes. Okay. A lot of people feel like the

Holy Spirit is some kind of wind or fire. Right. Some kind of thing that shows up like, I don't, you know, the Holy Spirit, I'm good with Jesus. I'm good with God, but I don't know about the Holy Spirit. Well, Jesus is at the right hand of the Father. The Father's standing on his throne. Guess who's active on the earth from the beginning of time? And it says the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God hovered on the face of the waters. The Holy Spirit, the, I call, I'd rather call the third person of the trinity is not the anything the third person of the trinity is called i call the spirit of god yes because the spirit of god is present with us and we operate by the spirit of god under the direction of the spirit of god by the power of the spirit of god to do do everything that God's designed for us to do,

because God is with us. Jesus said, I'm not going to be with you anymore. I'm going to go to heaven. We say Jesus is with us. Well, Jesus said, I'm going to send you the Spirit, and he'll guide you. He'll remind you what I said. John 14, Jesus said, I'm going to send you the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will be your teacher. The Holy Spirit will teach you all things, not some things, all things. Exactly. It's crazy because people say, I want Jesus in my heart. And yes, there's one God. So it's interesting we're talking about this because we weren't even planning on talking about this today. But I read that, I took notes, I actually took a screenshot this morning, but this is in Matthew 23, of 23 of course we're already talked about but you are not to be called rabbi for you have one teacher and you are all brothers and do not call anyone

our father for you have one father and he is in heaven nor are you to be called instructors for you have one instructor the messiah yeah i think i think jesus was saying to people that that particularly people who are seeking titles we We're looking for something to legitimize our voice. Like, how do I say to somebody, hey, you know, I'm a legitimate minister of the gospel. This is what I would encourage you to do is let the fruit of your life speak that. Because if people call me, Pastor John me Pastor John, that's all right.

I do some apostolic things. I do some prophetic things. The whole title thing. It's good to hear you do that because you do do some apostolic things. I'm not calling you an apostle. I'm just saying, like in the five-fold ministry, it's almost like we're searching for, well, I fit into this box. I'm an apostle. I'm a prophet.

But the Lord will give you the grace. They're not actually titles. They're functions. And that's my question. If you have a title called apostle, what are you apostolizing? If you're a prophetic person, how are you prophesying? This is what I say. Let people call you whatever they want, but let the fruit of god be revealed because a lot

of people are looking for a title yes they're trying to do that to impress somebody and the reality is that that we were never meant like they didn't call up apostle apostle philip apostle the 12 apostles they did call them that because that was pretty important but the reality is those titles were descriptors. So absolutely what you're saying is right. The Lord is constantly showing me, Nathan, you're more than this. And I'm more than this. Right. Always like we don't even realize, we say, don't put God in a box. We can put God in a box into many things without realizing at all that we're doing. Amen. Amen. I think that humans are really into predictability. What we like is to know, you know, like this radio station is at this channel. I can find,

I can GPS my direction someplace. We like predictability, but God's, and not that God's always unpredictable because God is predictable in this way. He's the same yesterday, today, forever. However, he moves in different ways because he's a person. This is a big deal. Okay, I want to make a point of this. This is a real big deal. Because a lot of people try to axiomize or put God in a box in this way.

He has to do this. He has to do this. He has to do this. Well, if this he has to do this well if you read the bible god moves in an incredible ways like jesus spit on the ground and he put that spit on somebody's eyes and and and they were healed did he ever do that again it's it the the modality led by the holy spirit yes the the reality is what is the what is god the spirit of god doing in the moment it's not looking for a dove or some oil you know or something crazy you know the the the spirit this oh i felt the spirit so many people want to jiggle and shake and you don't need to feel him right he's inside of us right you don't

have to feel him to know he's there well yeah i amen amen to that that. The reality is it's not me, though. I guess what I'm getting at, so when I first started praying for the sick, the Lord was teaching me. I would put my hands on someone and I would feel power shoot through my body like electricity. I would cry. I would shake. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay? I rarely feel that now.

Right. I don't feel, often don't feel a thing. But people will be completely rocked by the Holy Spirit, by the power of God. Right. Okay? Right. I see it all the time. I don't have to feel to know he's inside of me.

You get what I'm saying? Right. Yeah. Activating our feelings is not necessary for God to make. Yes, exactly. I mean, sometimes that happens as an encouragement to us. Well, that's what I'm saying. He was teaching.

Right. And some people are repelled by that. Honestly, there's some people who feel like, ooh, if I have an emotion, that's just me. Or they'll say, well, I don't have to get emotional to listen. Whatever moves you, you're going to get emotional about. I talk to people and they say, well, I don't want to get emotional. Well, why don't you want to get emotional? Do you get emotional when your wife says something nice to you? You should. If you don't get an emotional, something's wrong with you.

If God's doing something, it affects your emotions and that's okay. If you want to cry, cry. If you want to kneel, kneel. A lot of people have this issue. Church has to be done in order. Amen. But are we encountering God in these events or are we going through the motions? And the reality is it has to be, this is my word, presence-based community. It has to be this idea that we are present to God. He's present to us and we are present to one another and loving one another, loving God. So if we have a meeting and nothing happens, I don't want to go to that meeting. The reality is it's an exchange of connection with God. We have connectivity. And a lot of people say, well, I don't like all that emotion. Well,

it's not emotion. It's spiritual connection. We're body, soul, and we're spirit. Yeah, thanks for cuing me. I was getting there. So we're three people. We're not just two. Some Christians operate under the secular idea that we're a mind and we're a body. We're not animals. We don't just feel and have the lust of our flesh guide us around.

There's a deeper level of knowing, understanding. Yeah, the spirit being. A lot of people say, oh, of course we have a spirit. But you don't get anything from that spirit. But no, Jesus lives, like you said, Jesus lives in us. He speaks through us. That's how he reveals himself to the world is through us, through his body on the earth. Well, this could maybe help some people who are watching who are newer to their faith or newer to stepping

into the kingdom of god i remember that sean hurley when he spoke this to me it was a very simple thing but it blew my mind he said nate he said because we were talking about the supernatural and about spiritual beings that are all around us he said we're spirit beings but the only thing reason that you know that makes us different is that we're spirit beings, but the only reason that makes us different is that we have a flesh so we can see each other. That's right. That's right. And that kind of blew my mind the first time I ever heard that. And it says the angels long, they look at us with admiration. It says the angels are a step lower than us. I can show you scriptures, but there's this understanding that the angels,

okay, I don't want to get off the center track, but there's a... Don't worry, if you do, I'll let you know. Okay, because... Come on, John, I've made it like a long time without giving you... No, it's good. I usually mess with people a lot, so I'm being really good today. It's good. Go for it. Judah's laughing, all right? I told you, we're allowed to have today. It's good. Go for it. Judah's laughing. I told you, we're allowed to have fun. It's not positional.

Yeah, that's good. So what was I saying? I was just about to say. I get knocked off so quickly. You're about to talk about angels. All right, so let me just say this real quick. Let me just say this real quick. Because we can choose God. Right. Because we also have this flesh that allows us to live on

the earth in time. There's a powerful reality because God, we deal with this. Whenever we choose God, there's a power to that. Because we're not like the angels who just follow God, who only know the spiritual realm. Anyway, I don't want to get into that so much as to say that there is an angelic realm. Well, Galatians 5 says, when we're talking about God gives us a choice, Galatians 5 says that we can act according to the Spirit or we can act according to the flesh. The reality is, I guess we can call it a choice. It is a choice because it happens in the mind. The Bible says, be renewed in your mind and that your spirit,

it talks about the flesh drawing us away from God. It talks about the spirit drawing us to God. And then it talks a lot about how the mind, how we make choices with our mind. We choose to follow God. We make decisions in favor of faith, and we head that direction. So we do actually make that choice in our mind so we're going to pivot we're um by the way i love this i'm a sports guy i don't know do you watch sports i know you're a hunter all right now try to teach me how to hunt you didn't do very good because i'm

well now you're gonna i got people to come out to our property now and get deer and then we let them hunt and then we get the deer okay well that's a great way to hear the voice of god though you get out there and you're in that tree stand and it's 20 degrees outside and you're just in stillness right yeah well well there are two sports there there's hunting and then there's sitting in front of your television i i tell you what to be honest to be honest most people want me to hand in my american card because i don't watch sports but yeah yeah, no, but it's all good. What I was going to say is my sports analogy is that the Bible is the playbook. The Holy Spirit is the play by play. Absolutely. So let's talk about prayer. You have a prayer house. You know, we've prayed together

many times over many people together, even on this mall. We've prayed for many people on this mall together and seen miracles and seen people touched by God. And, you know, we're going to talk about prayer because, oh, my gosh. It's like we talk about tree stands and sports. If more men knew the power of prayer, there would be a lot less sitting in tree stands and watching sports. We'd be out praying for people because there's so much power in prayer. And I didn't know it for, I mean, you like hear it, but until you see it. Sometimes you have to see it and it's like, oh my.

I was delivered because a man prayed over me. He said the name Jesus and started praying in tongues and within 40 seconds, every demonic spirit that was tormenting me was gone. That was the power of prayer, being through a man, God coming through a man. Well, I believe in recreation. I don't believe that you should pray and not

go in your tree stand. I'm not being legalistic. I still watch sports. We'll just hang in there. This is what I'm saying. Recreation is fine. But in order to understand who you are and what you're here for, you have to hear the creator

tell you who you are. And you're here for, you have to hear the creator tell you who you are. And you have to hear your designer tell you what you're here for. So this is prayer. This is prayer because it's actually being plugged in. When you're not praying, you're not in communion with your creator, with the person who designed you, you really are unplugged because you're doing what you kind of feel. You are animalistic. You just kind of do what you feel. But Jesus said, I have food to eat that you don't know about. He says, my food is to do the will of my father. It's this crazy idea that when we are listening and we're hearing and we understand who we are and we're plugged into the source, that we actually are more alive than what Jesus said. I've come to give you life and life abundant.

What does that look like? John 10.10, everybody. Absolutely. And the thing about that is, okay, Jesus is not a buzzkill. No, he's not. In fact, when you say more people would be reading their Bible or praying for people than being out. I think, like you said, being outside and enjoying being outside becomes an encounter with God because your soul is clear. For the record, God speaks to me through sports a lot. He knows that's something I'm passionate about in the natural. And guess what? He meets us where we are. He will speak

to that. What I see him doing with my wife right now, the last six months, he is speaking to her through business because that's always been her passion. And it is amazing to watch him work and what he's doing in my life right now through business. Right, right, right. It is because the content is not so much important as it is, am I living with nothing to lose, nothing to prove, nothing to hide? See, having a relationship with God brings you into this open field where you're not dodging people. You're not living in unforgiveness. You know who you are and what you're here for. You're not hiding away from God. You're not running the wrong direction. You're not falling into pitfalls. It's amazing to know who you are

and what you're here for because then it allows you to encounter God in business. It allows you to encounter God in sports. It allows you to encounter. It's wild because the Lord was talking to me the other day. And what was I doing? I actually was watching a video and I'm going, wait a minute. It was a Facebook reel or whatever. And I was watching it. I go, wait a minute. And Lord was just talking to me through what I was seeing. And I'm going, wait a minute, how can this be? Because Facebook reels aren't the most edifying things. I'm sorry, bro. I want to tell you, you can feed your mind on gray water. You can feed your soul on stuff that's not always good for you. But the Lord speaks through everything. If you're living in that place of openness, nothing to lose, nothing to prove, nothing to hide.

And it makes life full. It makes life powerful. And just for the record, God's speaking to and through nonbelievers too. Oh yeah, all the time. I mean, some of the most powerful things that I've experienced has come God working through a nonbeliever. They didn't even know it. Right. Our reformed theology, this is, for all you that

are reformed, I don't want to bang on you guys, but the effect of reformed theology that says, these people over here are spiritual because they're saved. These people over here are unspiritual because they're not saved. Now, salvation is huge. You step through the door, but the Bible says that the Spirit is drawing everyone. The Spirit is speaking to everyone. Now, do they listen? Apparently, there's even kings in the Bible. King Cyrus didn't know God at all, but God used him powerfully.

There's instances of this, even a donkey. I mean, if God will use a donkey, he'll certainly use John Questenberry. Yeah, amen. Amen. Amen. I'm a notch or two above a donkey. He'll certainly use John Questenberry. Yeah. Amen. Amen. Amen. I'm a notch or two above a donkey, but not too far. I'm going to have to share something really quick because this is on my heart. I'm going to share it quickly, but talk about a non-believer. So my wife came from an agnostic, essentially an agnostic family. You know, we have this amazing story, as you know, about our children, how they, I mean mean they're all miracles but god god sent us and they're beautiful we thank you we think that um you know because god can can work a miracle and

you know somebody like myself this is how i expected it to happen that supernaturally we would just have a child right well guess what it didn't happen that way right but he taught us so much through the journey about who he is. And, you know, but anyways, I'm not going to get on that. What my whole point is, we ended up going to a country of Cyprus to have our children. Wow. To have the triplets. Okay. And so the only one person on this planet that knew that we were going to Cyprus with that, you know, for that intent was my wife's mother, my mother-in-law, not a believer. Okay. It's amazing that doctors, we will prescribe 12 year olds, uh, you know, medications to have a sex change, but we won't, uh, we had, uh, we won't give, uh, estrogen to a

couple that's trying to have a baby. And that's basically what happened for us. My wife needed estrogen, right? We were prescribed from the doctors in Cyprus, estrogen. Well, our, our medical doctors in the United States wouldn't give us to us because they weren't the prescribing doctors. My wife's aunt, who's a pediatrician wouldn't give us the estrogen because she said she would lose her practice. Uh, the, uh, I don't even remember. She went to malt, like the med express, nobody would give her estrogen. Right. Right. She talked to the MedExpress. Nobody would give her estrogen. She talked to her mom. Her mom said, you know what, weird enough, she said, I have some estrogen.

Anyway, she ended up giving my wife the estrogen. We had exactly enough estrogen to the day to get to Cypress before they could refill that medication. The doctor said, if you had not had this estrogen, she said, we would have turned you around and sent you home. Wow. She was the only person on the planet that knew. She thought it was, still thought it was coincident, but God worked mightily through her.

I just think it's so cool. Now, a lot of people will say, well, that's not rational. That doesn't make sense. God doesn't lead in irrational ways. He doesn't lead in, you know, people put God in a box and they say, this is how God must work. And I think that's the reason we don't see your miracles is because we're not expecting and we're not looking for God to do it. Now I'm, I'm, I'm not going to say that everything I pray for, I see, you know, because we've seen before what we pray, and we don't see everything that we pray for. God still guides and directs as he sees fit.

But let me tell you, we need to understand that God moves supernaturally, and we need to listen to what he's doing, regardless of what our minds tell us. Well, this isn't a good idea. When you pray, do you expect things to happen? Absolutely. Why? This is not for me. This is for the listeners. Why? Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not yet seen. If it's substance and it's evidence, okay? Faith is substance and it is evidence. I'm only winding up for my answer to say this. You stick your key in your car and you turn it. Why do you do that? You do that because there is an expectation that it turns on. In fact, you're surprised if it doesn't turn on. And that's the way we need to operate in faith.

It's substance. It's this is and faith comes by what faith comes by hearing you can't just pick something okay this is where i differ with some people some people will name it claim it frame it okay listen if you don't know god wants it don't ask him for it so there's well i will say this i am always very careful some people will depends on what we're talking about some people will will come to me and they'll say, well, I'm in a custody battle with my kids. Will you pray for God to give me the kids? And I'm like, absolutely not. Because I don't know, there's two sides to that story. I don't know the heart of God, so I pray for the will of God in that situation for righteousness and justice to be served. You're wise because the Bible talks about a gift of faith. What's a gift of faith? God tells you, I'm going to do it. And then you go, you're, you're okay. It happens to everybody. We go, we go, I'm going to, you're about ready to pray for something. And you go, oh man, this is going to happen. And you pray with this

understanding that God's going to move. I mean, everybody I know experiences at some point, and that's called a gift of faith. You know that God wants this thing. We pray in the name of Jesus, not four words, in the name of, oh, five words, in the name of Jesus. That's not five words that we add to the end of a prayer. What it actually means is we pray under his authority and according to his will. So if you're praying in the name of Jesus over something- You don't have to say in the name of Jesus if you already know you're praying in the name of jesus you don't have to say in the name of jesus if you already know you're praying in the name well what i'm what i'm saying is in the name of jesus illustrates that you're that you're praying according to his will and in his authority because it also lets other people know that we're representing jesus christ right right right yeah i agree with that you know, with the whole thing with prayer, too, like, you know, again, we, look, it's good that we made it almost a whole show with no argument.

Like, that's really good for us. What? No, but here's the thing. I think it's good. Judah's laughing. This is good to be real because, look, you and me are for real like brothers. Right. And what do brothers do?

They love each other, but they also fight. I mean, you and me have gotten in straight up. Time out. Time out. Go ahead. Time out. for real like brothers right and what do brothers do they love each other but they also fight i mean you and me have gotten in straight up time out time out time out we don't fight oh we've come close we've never had each other we we've had we've had good hardcore discussions but we never fight i wouldn't i wouldn't even say that we've had one or two arguments but But overall, I like talking to you because you say stuff. In fact, recently, you questioned me on a very important topic. And it was about the whole thing, am I a saint or am I a sinner? And I always say, yeah, we're a sinner and we're a saint. And actually, you challenged me so much that I've actually shifted in the way I talk about that. And see, I need somebody in my

life to say, I don't know, man, that doesn't sound right to me or whatever. And if we don't do that for one another, it's not going to work. So I really don't want people in my life who don't challenge. We challenge each other, but we love each other. But what I'm trying to get is important to see because there's so much religion out there. You and me, we both have good hearts. We're both sincerely wanting to represent the kingdom of God in our life, right? We don't agree on everything. Sometimes you don't agree on one thing, and then somebody goes and starts a theology, or they say, well, that person believes this.

I'm not going to talk to them anymore. Well, that's religion, and that's just your own insecurities. We can disagree and still love each other. Absolutely. I think that's well that's religion and that's just you know in your own insecurities like we can disagree and still love each absolutely absolutely i think that's important the the the whole thing that we learned four years ago was that was was that we can allow our difference of opinion to break up our relationship it divided family it affected my family so bad whether you're you're are you for this candidate or you're, are you for this candidate? No, are you for this candidate? We had Facebook warriors that were killing each other online.

This is the deal. The Bible says, if I speak with the tongue of men and angels and have not love, I'm nothing. So, I mean, okay, calling people names and calling them out and getting nasty with them. Okay, the Bible says, no matter what you say, even if it's perfectly right and you don't say it in love, then that's nothing. It's worth nothing. So, yeah. It's not about being right. It's about being righteous.

And it's about being real with one another and not shutting down relationships. Yeah. Okay, we're not joined by doctrine. Like you and I have, we might have doctrinal differences a little bit. I don't agree with anybody a hundred percent and I don't want to, I don't need to. And if you did, I'd question it. Yes. Because the reality is, is that we all come down, we all kind of land a little differently. We all miss some stuff too. And we miss it. Amen. And that's the deal. We have to bear one another's burdens. We have to contend with one another. We have to stand with one another.

In fact, that's what I say in my book, Presence-Based Community, this whole idea that we outsource. Okay, this is crazy. A lot of churches say, we don't get people in our church to do the stuff that we want them to do. We hire people. I'm like, why? Well, then we don't have to deal with relationship issues. And I'm like, well, the Bible says that each of us have a gift and we bring that gift into the body and we use that, we get connected. Well, the reality is that it's easier to hire somebody to do it and fire them if they don't do it. It's not relationship-based. Yeah, somebody you're, okay, we have this in our fellowship. We have somebody doing the website. We have somebody doing our social media. We have somebody doing the photography or the live stream on Sunday morning, that kind of stuff. And those people are in our church.

And most churches would say, that's absolutely ridiculous. We're not going to do that. We hire those people because we want them to do a good job. We want them to, you know. Okay, the deal is this. Are we a family or are we a business? We're the family of God. We're connected.

We're the body of Christ. We're the representation of his being on the earth. We're connected, finger're the body of Christ. We're the representation of his being on the earth. We're connected, finger to the hand, hand to the wrist. That connection means that we're representing him in unity and we're working together. Sure, it's easier to outsource. It's easier to just say, we don't lean on each other. We just hire who we want or whatever. That's not what the Bible says. Now, I understand you need to hire people to do stuff every now and then. But the reality is that the functions of the body of Christ come through as we lean on one another, as we work together, as we glorify God together.

Because Jesus said, they'll see me. They'll know who I am because you love one another. If you love one another, if you're my disciples, they'll see that you're my disciples because you love one another. That's how they're going to see Jesus. Hey, we have 10 minutes left. Time always flies when you have fun. Thank you guys for watching and listening. Please share the show.

Share the show. Share the show. I cannot say that enough. Share the show. I'll say it too. Yes, thank you. So you've been watching and listening. Please share the show, share the show, share the show. I cannot say that. Share the show. I'll say yes. Thank you. So you've been doing great things. I want to talk about this while we're still on the show and on the air. So you've been doing, you know, bringing people together in the region for many years. I mean, I really respect what you do. You've had prophetic conferences, you've had healing conferences, you have things to connect the region. You know, the Lord's putting similar things on my heart to connect regions, to bring people and ministries together, that it's not about any singular ministry, that

it ain't church, y'all, that it's about the kingdom of God. So why do you think the Lord's putting on your heart to do that, to bring people together and just talk a little more about what that looks like and maybe what you see God doing in the region? Wow. Wow. One of the things that our ministry is different in this way is that we're not trying to get a big name in. What we're trying to do, now we have, we brought several people in that are known nationally or internationally, but the reality is that what we're trying to do is connect the body of Christ in this region together. Just recently, we did a walk. We called it Circle the City. We had 64 people from 12 different churches gather together, go in seven different groups

out around the city and walk the Rivenna Trail and pray. You say, well, you know, that's kind of small, that's small biscuits. You could do something bigger. Yeah, we could. But the reality is, what God's called us to do is different. He's called us to gather people in the region, to do kingdom stuff together, mostly to cooperate with Jesus, with the Spirit of God, to see him move in power and purpose in this region. That's a big thing. By the way, give me 64 people who are on fire for the Lord, I'll take it. Well, and that's what happened. Over 5,000 who are just doing church. Right, right, right. If you're just showing up for the meeting, we're not interested in that.

But the reality is that more is better. It's not the best. What you need is real. I agree with that. So the House of Prayer, and I'm going to announce this for the first time on this radio station. You know what? I'll give you a free plug. I won't even charge you.

We're getting ready to change our name. Oh, wow. And we're getting ready to change some of our function. In the past, the prayer movement has been powerful in terms of its ministry to the church. We've been attached kind of mainstream prayer movement, but we're shifting out because now what we're seeing God do is the prayer movement was prophetic to the church, brought in that whole contact sport with Jesus. We're going to pray, we're going to worship, we're going to be encountering God. Okay. Well, the prayer movement was never meant to replace the church.

The prayer movement was meant to ignite the church. So we believe that God is moving now to create presence-centered communities, that God's called us primarily to be a present centered community and to draw people together who are focused in on being with God and loving one another. So we're shifting a little bit. In fact, you know, it's going to be a little downsize, but I believe it's going to make us focused much better because, you know, anyway, the old prayer movement was a 24-7 prayer and sending prayer missionaries. And, you know, it's not what God seems to be doing more right now. In fact, you know. What's important is what is God calling you to do?

Exactly. Exactly. Because God's doing something in Shenandoah Valley doesn't mean that's what he's going to do here. Right. I think that we get that confused sometimes. Right. And I think that's awesome that you're, it sounds like being obedient to the spirit of god and you're shifting right because he will call us to pivot into shift well well as you may know charlottesville is a different

spiritual environment yeah talk about the valley we have there's there's a there's there's harder soil here because we have a very strong resistance against the spirit of God. There's an intellectualism that says it's mental prowess that's power. But the truth of the matter is that Jesus said, it's not by might, it's not by power. He said, I will make foolish the wisdom of the wise. It's very clear that God is interested in foiling this plan of people to think that they can overthink or be smarter than God. He's actually messing that up really big right now. He's bringing us into a place where we're going, we need God. I'm telling you, it's a brittle... This is from a prophetic word that I got, but the whole idea of Charlottesville is brittle. It's not going to bend, it's going to break. God's bringing his

power to bear on people. The spiritual resistance in this region will break. It will not bend. If you're going to a place like the Valley, if you have a religious spirit, when God moves, there's kind of a bending. The religious spirit. But in Charlottesville, no. There's going to be a breaking. And when that break happens, there's going to be incredible revival. What's coming. Amen.

And this show is part of it. And you know that. We've talked about that. And the House of Prayer is part of that. And I'll tell you, the deal is this, is that god is gathering his people locally that's what i was saying before you know instead of resourcing get a whole bunch of you know big names and learning more about god what we're trying to do is gather people locally to to to be the church in power we we're not interested in in in bringing a product to you so that you can be a better individual Christian.

We stopped focusing on that. The focus is this. There's no solitary Christianity. You can't be a Christian and be alone. It's impossible. People try it, but it's like having your finger on the table and it's not connected to the body. That is not functional.

That is dysfunctional. You have to be connected, and you have to be working with other connected to the body, that is not functional. That is dysfunctional. You have to be connected and you have to be working with other members of the body to be fully in unity and seeing God move. And it's going to happen. Amen. Absolutely. Last question. You know, I wasn't coming back to Charlottesville on my own. The Lord led me back here. That's just strategic. I'm so glad he did. So you kind of answered, I always ask this, the last question of the show. Do you hear anything for the city of Charlottesville or for the show?

You just talked about the city of Charlottesville. Do you have anything on your heart for the show? And then we're going to wrap it up. If not, that's okay. I believe that God's bringing his word to bear. What happens when people speak truth in situations, when they speak it in response to real questions? There's a power of God that comes by speaking his word, his intentions.

The Bible says he does nothing on the earth except by, unless he first speak to the prophets. And I believe that shows like this are prophetic. Now, you know, I would say you're prophetic. I mean, you operate in several different giftings, but this show itself is prophetic because you gather people together, you ask questions and people speak things. Like I just felt that whole thing about it's going to break that was coming from my voice, but it was actually a pronouncement, a prophetic pronouncement over the city and it's going to happen. And I think that's going to happen more and more on this show.

People are going to speak things. And they're going to go, well, you know, what was that? And it was the Lord saying, this is what's going to happen here. Amen. Thank you, brother. Bless you. I appreciate you coming on. I had fun.

Anything else on your heart as we head out? This is what I want to say. Prayer is not difficult. I just want to say this. This is for somebody. Prayer, you say, I'm tired of prayer. And mostly it's your talking. And I just want to say, listening to God involves asking him questions and waiting. You ask him questions, you hold it before the Lord. And I just want to say, it's not easy. It isn't instantaneous. It's getting quiet, getting focused, and listening for what God's saying and writing it down. I want to encourage you, write down what you hear,

because God is speaking. You're praying, you're hearing, write it down. Even if it's like petunia, just write it down. It may be kind of a random thing, but I believe God starts, it's like a spilling over. It comes in moments when God's speaking. I just want to encourage you. Don't be, don't give up in prayer. Seek God, press in. He's going to speak to you. He's going to show you things. I mean, you've never heard of it. The Bible says, one last thing, they that wait upon the Lord, if I has not seen or has entered into the mind of man, what God will do for those who wait for him, Isaiah 64, 8. And that's what he's going to do. He's going to do more than you ask

or imagine. If we wait, we seek his face. Amen. Appreciate you, brother. Thank you. Thank you for the wisdom. Love you guys. Thank you for supporting the show. Like it, share it all around the world. Comment, tell us your thoughts on John and I's conversation today. And next week we are going to have Uri Hershberger on the show coming from Ohio. An amazing man of God. He has been nicknamed by many the Amish apostle. So that ought to be a little teaser on some things of his life and his testimony. So bless you all. I speak life and love and healing over your minds and your bodies in the name of Jesus. And God bless, and we will see you next week. موسیقی در موسیقی دیگر