The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Last Day To Vote For Redistricting/Gerrymandering; PHA Buying 501 Cherry Ave From Woodard

Episode Date: April 21, 2026

The I Love CVille Show headlines: Last Day To Vote For Redistricting/Gerrymandering PHA Buying 501 Cherry Ave From Woodard Is 501 Cherry Ave Yet Another Boondoggle For City? Did City “Bail Out” An...other Developer W/ 501 Cherry Ave? Spanberger Blocks No Tax On Tips In Virginia Should Dairy Market Be Renamed Dino’s Market? AlbCo Supervisor Mike Pruitt On I Love CVille Show 4/29 Subscribe To JerryRatcliffe.com For $8 Per Month Read Viewer & Listener Comments Live On-Air The I Love CVille Show airs live Monday – Friday from 12:30 pm – 1:30 pm on The I Love CVille Network. Watch and listen to The I Love CVille Show on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, iTunes, Apple Podcast, YouTube, Spotify, Fountain, Amazon Music, Audible, Rumble and iLoveCVille.com.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Goodness gracious, it's 1238. Good Tuesday afternoon, guys. I'm Jerry Miller, and thank you kindly for joining us on the I Love Seville Show. This is the water cooler of content and conversation for Charlottesville, Central Virginia, the Commonwealth, the country in the world. Jude, I'm going to lean back, lean back on my chair here while signing the mic a little bit closer. I hope we're framed well. Jack of all trades.
Starting point is 00:00:31 The Sultan of SWAT. Judah Wickhauer Salton of Swat you know who's a nickname that was Was it Babe Ruth? Ah yeah Good job J-Dubs The Sultan of Swat
Starting point is 00:00:46 In your scenario I think I'm going to name you The Sultan of Spit Because you're a What? Spit! You're a talk show host So you're spitting Intelligence
Starting point is 00:00:56 Spitting the facts Spitting the facts The Sultan of Spit All right a lot We're going to cover on the program Today's the last day to vote for We're going to call it redistricting or gerrymandering?
Starting point is 00:01:06 Tomato tomato. It's not even tomato tomato. Is it redistricting or gerrymandering? It's gerrymandering. You say it's gerrymandering? Yeah. You need to frame me a little bit better here. You're calling it gerrymandering? Today's the last day to vote for redistricting or gerrymandering, ladies and gentlemen.
Starting point is 00:01:23 We're going to try to crystal ball what's going to happen here. I think, at least I have a pretty good idea of how this is going to play out. I'll offer my commentary to you. the viewers and listeners, and hear what the Sultan of Spit, Judah Wickhauer has to say. We're going to talk on today's show what appears to be a bailout. Did City Hall just bail out a local developer? And I like Anthony Woodard. I see Anthony Woodard.
Starting point is 00:01:51 I think Anthony Woodard was incredibly intelligent to distance his namesake business. The firm his father started. Woodard properties from 501 Cherry Avenue, the former home of Kim's Market, nothing but the freshest of produce and the freshest of meats sold at Kim's Market and the IGA on Cherry Avenue yesterday year. Now it's the home of potholes
Starting point is 00:02:20 and dusty parking lots and a den of crack and despair, 501 Cherry Avenue. It is the future home, of housing affordability and the music resource center and multi-family, but right now it's a dent of crackheads and despair. And nondescript capacity and nondescript fashion at a city council meeting yesterday, sparsely attended and even more sparsely watched. In fact, I'm looking at the YouTube numbers. The I Love Seville show 25 X's. Excuse me.
Starting point is 00:03:01 Let me be very realistic here. The I Love Seville Show, 250 X's, the viewership of a city council meeting. And in a nondescript city council meeting, hours into the meeting yesterday, an agenda item that attracted no one's attention. It attracted Deep Throat's attention. Because of a DM from Deep Throat, I hopped on to the YouTube archive feed. Piedmont Housing Alliance and its executive director, Sunshine Mathan, who has talent and skill set. This guy knows how to play this game we call politics, basically positioned before counselors that the nonprofit Piedmont Housing Alliance should be the new owners of 501 Cherry Avenue.
Starting point is 00:03:50 In about five or ten minutes of on-the-record commentary, executive director Sunshine Mathan said, look, Woodard Properties bought 501 Cherry Avenue with a line of credit. And the interest payment every month, their only paying interest, is about 20 grand a month. And this is adding up and accruing quickly. And eventually it's going to be passed on to Charlottesville. But we're slow in doing anything and everything.
Starting point is 00:04:17 It's like dragging our feet in quicksand every single day to get anything done. Instead of continuing to accumulate $20,000, a month in debt at 501 Cherry Avenue, why don't we just buy this parcel from this company local that is called Woodard Properties that has vacancies everywhere? I mean, let's cut to the chase. There's a boatload of Woodard vacancies on the market right now. That's straightforward. That's not me speaking out of turn.
Starting point is 00:04:45 I'm on the website. I'm on their portal that showcases what they have for rent. A lot of them are on the downtown mall. some of them are on South Street. I've covered that well on the program. Sunshine says to Michael and Lloyd and Natalie and Juan and Jen, hey, it's not our money. It's just the taxpayers' money.
Starting point is 00:05:10 It's going to be just under $4 million. Who cares? There's no one in council chambers. The only people that watch us on YouTube are deep throat Jerry Miller and Sean Tubbs and Neil Williamson. Why don't we just take a quick vote here four hours into a 420 meeting? Everyone's puff, puff passing anyway here on April 20th, on 420. No one's going to know.
Starting point is 00:05:35 They're more concerned with spliffs and blunts and drone bakers and bubblers and sidecars and bullpacks than they are about $4 million here of taxpayer resources. Let's buy it. Let's buy it. Let's take those taxpayer allocations and buy 501 Cherry Avenue. All they remember is an IGA that sold outdated meat and crappy dog food and rotten tomatoes and vegetables. And we're going to buy it and we're going to land bank it. And eventually there's going to be some kind of affordable housing on it. But we're going to do some studies.
Starting point is 00:06:17 We're going to hire some consultants. and we're going to spend even more money on the back end. Is this another developer bailout, just like we saw with Wendell Wood on High Street at the banks of the Rivana River? Is this another landlord and real estate bailout just like we saw on Holiday Drive and $6.2 million from a homeless shelter
Starting point is 00:06:45 that's going to be somewhere online in the year, 2032, is this another sweetheart deal to the tune of the Carlton Mobile Home Park? Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to unpack it on the show, but I'm looking at right now in ordinance authorizing a loan to Heemot Housing Alliance to support the purchase of 501 Cherry Avenue. And you want to hear some sweetheart loan terms, Judah? You want to hear some Cherry, sweetheart loan terms, goodness gracious, if we could all get loan terms like this, you ready for this, Sultan of Spit? Yep.
Starting point is 00:07:25 City Council and City Hall is going to offer a loan to the tune of $3,850,000 at an interest rate of 3% at a loan term of 42 years. Hey, why would we do a 15-year term? why wouldn't we do a 10-year term or a five-year term? Jerry Miller buys commercial property all over Charlottesville. He's doing it in five-year terms, in 10-year terms. He's having to work real hard to pay off his debt real quick because it's commercial. It's got an interest rate associated with Prime.
Starting point is 00:08:04 No, no, no. City Hall's going to offer Piedmont Housing Alliance a 42-year loan term. At a 3% interest rate. a $3,850,000 alone to purchase basically a parking lot at the gateway of Fifeville and Cherry Avenue and a historically black neighborhood. And now... Is it also forgivable? Now, I bet you it becomes.
Starting point is 00:08:32 Certainly became forgivable, Judah, at the Carleton Mobile Home Park. Mm-hmm. Let's bamboozle. Let's bamboozle the Jerry Millers and the Sean Tubbs. and the deep throats and the Neil Williamson's of the world, the only four people that watch these meetings, seats available. And let's say it's a 42-year loan term at a 3% interest rate, but reality, we know it's going to be a completely forgivable loan
Starting point is 00:09:00 because who cares, it's not our money. And somewhere, Wooder Properties is like, good God. I got Cherry Avenue off my books. that sultan of spit juda wickower can finally stop talking about our company and this damn property that's been what the talk of town longer than any other piece of property over the last handful of years save for the holiday drive purchase and a homeless shelter that went from 220 beds down to 80 so much to unpack on this i love seville tuesday edition are we looking at another developer in real estate bailout? That's the conversation. I want to have with you, the viewer, and listener on the water cooler of content and conversation.
Starting point is 00:09:50 A lot we're going to cover on the broadcast, ladies and gentlemen. I want to tip my cap to Dino, front of the program, Dino's last name, Judahwick Gower, for all those watching the program. Something like Roger. Very good. You're a linguist, a wordsmith, a man of many talents. I think I was close there. Do we not just call dairy market, Dino's Market?
Starting point is 00:10:12 Does Stony Point and Chris Henry rebrand Dairy Market to Dino's Market? I mean, he's got all the stalls. Quite a few, definitely. Dino, let's just call it Dino's market. Let's get a massive discount on the rent that you already paying because you got all the leverage. You now are in total control. the coffee shop, previously partners in the Cumbra point of sale that's no more. You now got the coffee and bakery in the old Cumbra location. You got a burger joint, you got a chicken joint,
Starting point is 00:10:54 a pizza joint, a pasta joint, an ice cream joint. You're lovable, you're likable, you're huggable, you're pinchable. I want to give you my money. Your food is back. You're Hangin. Let's call it Dino's Market. Right? Yeah. Right? Yeah. Don't you want to hug the man?
Starting point is 00:11:16 Don't you just want to give him your money? The pizza's so damn good. Yeah, definitely. The moothrews so damn good. Oh, yeah. Now it's a coffee shop and a pastry with no partners. That's unpack on the Tuesday edition of the water cooler of content and conversation. And how about Abigail Spanberger?
Starting point is 00:11:35 Abigail Spanberger, your governor, your first female governor, right, Judah? The first female governor in the Commonwealth of Virginia, she runs on a platform of affordability for Americans, except you, waiters and servers. She runs on a platform of affordability for Virginians, except for you, the people who bring the food to our table at the places we choose to dine at. She runs on a platform of saving money for people that live in the Commonwealth except for you. You servers. She says Abigail Spamberger, I'm going to block the no tax on tips in Virginia, Judah.
Starting point is 00:12:23 Abigail Spamberger, your governor, your shortless presidential candidate or vice presidential candidate. candidate. There's a lot to cover on the broadcast. A lot to cover on the broadcast. Lightning Fisher 8177 on YouTube says, I think City Hall was hoodwinked by a developer and real estate owner. I want to give some love to Charlottesville Sanitary Supply. Charlottesville Sanitary Supply and Charlottesville Swimming Pool Company. Goodness gracious, if I'm City Hall and if I'm Charlottesville, I'm buying all of my cleaning and sanitary and swimming pool. needs and essentials from Charlottesville Sanitary Supply. Am I right, Judah?
Starting point is 00:13:04 Who wouldn't that that were the case? 62 years they've been in business. You support the businesses like Charlestful Sanitary Supply and Charlottesville Swimming Pool Company. Judah, who's paying real estate taxes to the city? Sales taxes to the city, right? Yeah. 62 years, they've planted a flag and done commerce in the city. If Charlestville City is not doing it.
Starting point is 00:13:30 in business with Charlottesville Santerian Supply and Charlottesville Swimming Pool Company and prioritized in a business and a vendor out of market, shame on the city, that should be discussed. No doubt. That should be highlighted. That will be discussed if that's happening. You support the businesses that you want to see survive another 62 years, and this is one of them, five generations of Vermilions running this business that live in Almaro County,
Starting point is 00:13:54 locally owned and operated honest integrity Charlottesville Sanitary Supply Charlottesville Swimming Pool Company programming note Mike Pruitt Scottsville District Judah Mike Pruitt Amor County Board of Supervisors Judah Mike Pruitt sharply dressed Judah Mike Pruitt an attorney Judah
Starting point is 00:14:14 Mike Pruitt a runner his politics completely different than mine but we're going to showcase Mike Pruitt and I what it means to have a conversation with people that you disagree, disagree on most things, but do so in respectful fashion. He's going to be on the show on April 29th. That's a week from tomorrow. And Mike Pruitt is the Scottsville District Supervisor, who at a very recent Almaro County Supervisor
Starting point is 00:14:46 meeting was less supervisor and more auctioneer, where he said, I want to raise taxes, for affordable housing. Can I get a two cent, a two cent increase on the real estate tax rate? A two cent here. A two cent from Ned Galloway here. A two cent from B. Lepistow Curtley here. A two cent from the dynamic,
Starting point is 00:15:07 the locacious, the charismatic, the charming, the conversationalists, and Malick here. Nobody, silence, cricket. Then Mike Pruitt goes, can I get a 29 cents? A 29 cent increase in the personal property tax rate here. How about a 28 cents? How about a 27 cents?
Starting point is 00:15:23 Crickets, 26 cents. Nothing, 24 cents, a 23 cents here. Got all the way down to 15 cents, and at 15 on the personal property tax rate, Ngalaway, he's a friend. Fred Missal. He's a friend. Kind of.
Starting point is 00:15:44 No knock on Fred. Don't really know. Sally Duncan, I wouldn't say Sally's a friend. Don't really know her, but more socialist than I would like. Those four said, we will support 15 cents and let's advertise it. Now it recently failed when Fred Missal said, I'm not going to do 15 cents after voting to advertise the 15 cent personal property tax rate. I'm going to now do my best two-step, my best Dave Matthews two-step and say nah on the 15-cent.
Starting point is 00:16:13 And then they somehow found the money for the affordable housing anyway by fine tooth combing their budget. That's what's the most flabbergasting thing for me. They want to raise the personal property tax rate, 15 cents to fund affordable housing to create a couple million dollars in incremental revenue for this thing called affordable housing. Then the 15 cents doesn't pass because Fred Missal two steps
Starting point is 00:16:36 from the yes to no side. And then they find the $2 million anyway because they fine tooth comb the budget. Why not fine tooth comb the budget first? Yeah. That's the first step, right? Isn't that what we do with our households? We open up the fridge and say, you know what?
Starting point is 00:16:52 I got one or two, eggs in here I got leftover steak from last night's dinner I got some cheddar cheese I got some hash browns and a raisin and and three raisin English muffin raisins looks like it's steak cheddar cheese and eggs for dinner with English muffin English muffin raisin brand toast make a little steak egg and cheese sandwich for dinner. Isn't that what we do as a household? We fine-tooth comb things, make something happen? Why don't we do that with government? I'm going to talk about that on the program today. Stanley Martin Holmes, Judah, we'll give some love to partner Stanley Martin Holmes.
Starting point is 00:17:41 Stanley Martin Holmes is building more homes in Charlottesville, Albaran, Central Virginia, than any builder and developer, and it's not even close, and they're doing it in honest, communicative capacities. Wow, oh, wow, what is Stanley Martin doing? in Green County, they are building developments, and they are building developments dedicated to homes that cater to each person's unique needs and lifestyles. High quality homes, high quality single family homes, high quality townhomes and condominiums, design and constructed with innovative techniques. Stanley Martin Holmes ensures exceptional efficiency and aesthetic appeal.
Starting point is 00:18:18 Explore various programs, housing types, and neighborhoods all over Central Virginia. Virginia with Stanley Martin Holmes where they help you enjoy life more. Studio camera, Judah Wickhauer. Studio camera, Judah Wickhauer. And then two-shot, Judah Wickhauer, as we welcome viewers and listeners to the program. Hammer the like button, share the show, please. We work hard for you. That's the only thing we ask in return.
Starting point is 00:18:43 Stacey Baker Patty's watching the broadcast. Vanessa Parkhill's watching the broadcast. Curtis Shaver's watching the broadcast. Rob Neal. Bob Yarborough. Philip Dow. Derek Bond, Don Gathers, watching the broadcast. Kevin Willis watching the broadcast.
Starting point is 00:19:02 Is that T.T. Thomas Taylor on the show watching the broadcast? We've got a lot to cover. I hope you're not surprised by this, Sultan of Spit. I hope you're not surprised by this. You're looking sharp. Thank you. Which headline most intrigues you and why, my friend? well i'm glad that we're going to have mike pruitt back it's been a while since we've had him on the show
Starting point is 00:19:27 i'm interested to hear what he has to say um his take on uh current affairs um i think uh i think dino's market has a certain uh jeune se quo it's not a bad suggestion Dino's Market instead of Dero's Market Somewhere Johnny Britslough And Chris are giving me the evil eye That's okay It's okay Or if they like the word dairy
Starting point is 00:20:02 Would they call it Dino's Dairy? It's the old Monachello Dairy I don't mind Dino's Dairy I don't mind Dino's dairy market I don't mind Dino's dairy market I like Dino's market He's lovable He's affable
Starting point is 00:20:17 He's halfable he's huggable, he's kissable, he's pinchable. Treats his employees, right? I want to give him my money. He makes great food, and he's got all the stalls at dairy market. Just about. Cumbrae's out. He was a part of Cumbrae.
Starting point is 00:20:33 Now it's just Dino. Talk to Dino all the time. Love Dino. Offer business consultation to Dino. Great guy. Let's call it Dino's market, and let's give him a break on rent. That rent needs to be cut. some more. A lot we're going to cover on the show as
Starting point is 00:20:50 Patrick Bull is watching the program and Jason Hampshire is watching the show. Hammer the like button folks. We work hard for you. Viewers and listeners. Jerrymandering and redistricting today. Spencer Pushard. Jerrymandering and redistricting today,
Starting point is 00:21:05 Scott Harris and Don Gathers. Don, we got to get you on the show. Janice Boyce Trevillian. How do you think the vote's going to go, Judah Wickhauer? Jerrymandering or redistricting? It's going to be close, I think. You do?
Starting point is 00:21:20 Yeah. I think there are a lot of... Prop bet, waiting to happen here? Are we talking about just Charlottesville's vote? Or are we talking about across Virginia? First, let's look at across Virginia. I think there are a lot of rural areas that are feeling like they're having their representation taken away from them. Florence Worley-Vaya, what do you think?
Starting point is 00:21:44 Vanessa, what do you think? Last day to vote today? early voting in Charlottesville was putrid. The early voting turnout in Charlottesville putrid. In fact, ladies and gentlemen, Louisa County had casted more orally votes when compared to Charlottesville City for this gerrymandering redistricting referendum.
Starting point is 00:22:12 The last day to vote is today. Albemarle County Public Schools Are all public schools closed today? Our son's in second grade at a local private school. I do not know. I know Admiral County Public Schools are closed, right? Are Charlottesville public schools? Any viewer and listener help me with that?
Starting point is 00:22:31 I think it would be odd if they let some of the kids go home and kept others in school just because of a voting place. Who I'm not going to ask about this is the drip bar on Water Street. Word on the street is the drip bar on Water Street has got an investigation that is going on as we speak. This according to the Charlottesville Police Department Facebook page from earlier this morning, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, the FDA, and the Virginia State Police, are executing a search warrant at 206 East Water Street, the home of the drip bar on Water Street.
Starting point is 00:23:04 What is in those IVs? I don't know. I should have tried before now. Now it's too late. Too late, Jewelwick. They have anything good. It's going to be gone now. What would you have hoped was in those? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:23:17 I actually would never go. I'm not a big fan of people sticking. I cannot stand the thought of needles. John Blair has this question for Deep Throat, and we're going to get to this topic. Now that we've got $3.8 million going towards site acquisition at 501 Cherry Avenue, and we know that there's still an effort to lure a grocery store to the site.
Starting point is 00:23:44 has anyone compiled an actual estimate of the calls to 501 Cherry Avenue with the residential units, commercial spots, and site acquisition. John Blair for Deep Throat, John Blair communicating with Deep Throat in the comment section on LinkedIn to Deep Throat who communicates via direct message to me on Twitter. That's what this show is all about. John Blair says regardless of one's politics, I think everyone should be provided with an estimate of the total cost for the project at 501 Cherry Avenue before it begins.
Starting point is 00:24:15 First, let me offer my take on gerrymandering and redistricting, okay? I've said this consistently. I want voters picking politicians. I don't want politicians rigging elections for other politicians. I think what's happened in Texas and some of these other states is bogus. Yeah, 100%. If this is something that's been done in other states, It's bad in those states as well.
Starting point is 00:24:47 I live in Virginia. I'm a voter in Virginia. I'm a follower of news in Virginia. I don't vote yes to redistricting or gerrymandering. This is wrong in Texas. This is wrong in any state. Politicians don't pick politicians, voters do. And changing the rules in the middle of the game is not done in any sport.
Starting point is 00:25:09 And it certainly should not be done in the sport we call politics. because if you give an inch, people take a mile and it's proven time and time again. Yeah. Government never gives anything back, which is why we're talking about... 501 Cherry Avenue. And as well as, yeah,
Starting point is 00:25:27 as well as giving loans, giving... looking for more money. What I was talking, what I was getting at was the taxes, asking for a certain amount rather than going through line by line, and finding ways to make the money up.
Starting point is 00:25:46 Deep throat in the Twitter DMs to me, response to John Blair in the comment section of LinkedIn, he says, John Blair, yes, I have a filing that Piedmont Housing Alliance put in with Virginia housing, applying for a tax credit for 501 Cherry Avenue, let me go find it. It was horrendous with the capital H. Came out to something like $500 a square foot
Starting point is 00:26:11 for the residential part without the land acquisition, 12.6 million construction costs. And that's an estimate, John Blair, from a 2025 application. We're going to get to this boondoggle that is 501 Cherry Avenue that's now on the backs of taxpayers in a matter of moments. Doubting the eyes and crossing the T's on gerrymandering and redistricting, I think it passes an overwhelming fashion. Wow, overwhelming.
Starting point is 00:26:42 What would you quantify as overwhelming? I don't know. What would you quantify? 10% over? No, I would say overwhelming. That's just beating the bejibis out of somebody. 2% over. Okay.
Starting point is 00:26:57 That's just Sally Duncan over Dave Shreve. That's Fred Missal over Scott Smith. That's what that is. I'm saying if I put the over under at three and a half in Virginia, Commonwealth-wide, would you take the over or under of three and a half on the gerrymandering vote? Three and a half points. I'd go under. But I don't know.
Starting point is 00:27:21 You go under? I'd guess under. Would we prop betting this? What? Want to prop bet? No. Why? Because I'm not going to bet on this.
Starting point is 00:27:31 What would it take for you to prop bet on this? The line at what number? I wouldn't take a bet on this. I don't have a feel for it. I say three and a half is covered on this. If the lines are three and a half points, my instinct, time will tell. I think this is going to be a sad day for the Commonwealth.
Starting point is 00:27:55 A sad day for the Commonwealth. And I also think Spamberger is playing in a den of lions and snakes that she doesn't really have a grip on. How so? I think Spamberger is being puppeted right now. She's the puppet. Let's see how it plays out. The only one that's really looking bad
Starting point is 00:28:17 in catching egg on her face in Virginia politics, man or woman is Spanberger right now. She's got other Democrats trolling her on Twitter. Exactly. I don't know if you saw that. Senator Lucas? Yeah, I think that's what it was.
Starting point is 00:28:30 Yeah. She's the effing Nancy Pelosi of Virginia. That lady. People are scared of that lady. You talk about professional gas lighters. That's a professional gas lighter. All right, let's talk 501 Cherry Avenue as you put the lower thirds on screen.
Starting point is 00:28:51 All right, I'm going to give you the nitty gritty. 501 Cherry Avenue. I'm going to give you a brief history, then I'll take you up to speed of what's happening here. Last night, when no one was looking, City Council approved, taxpayer allocation, Piedmont Housing Alliance is going to acquire 501 Cherry Avenue.
Starting point is 00:29:19 This is the old site of Kim's Market and the IGA. This is the gateway to a historically black and marginalized neighborhood, Fifeville. It's the entree of Cherry Avenue. It's right next to the welcome to Fifeville sign. And it's across the street from
Starting point is 00:29:35 Tonsler Park. So they're getting everything from the foundation to the apartments, to the 5-0-1 Cherry Avenue. Currently empty? The whole, that they empty parcel, the old IGA.
Starting point is 00:29:49 I believe there's also an adjacent lot. That's a question for you, deep throat. So, 501 Cherry Avenue right now is a den of crack, crime, and despair. Is it really? It is shady.
Starting point is 00:30:07 It is unsafe. You walk through that parking lot in the early morning and you'll see things on the ground. You don't want to see in movies. let alone next to your A6 or your Birkenstocks in real life. Okay. This critically important parcel in the city was previously owned by Barbara Hale. And Barbara Hale, she was at one time married to someone who fancied himself a real estate mogul, Joseph Hale.
Starting point is 00:30:46 and Barbara and Joseph had a messy divorce. And in this divorce, Barbara, as part of the divorce proceedings, got 501 Cherry Avenue. Now, these are the type of parcels where you think, wow, I got upside here. I got upside because in 1987, my husband acquired it for $2,000, $285,000. $285,000 in 1987. But these types of parcels are the definition in my circles that make you real estate rich and cash poor. There's income producing real estate where you get mailbox money. It covers the debt and then you cash flow.
Starting point is 00:31:35 And then there's the type of real estate where you don't have a tenant, the roof is leaking, the mechanicals are broken, and you have a hefty tax bill on, and you be cash poor. And a divorce A was very quickly being bled dry. She hired a friend of mine, friend first. He watches this show that I do a lot of business with. Friend first, business associate second. Chris Cabash. Chris, the son of Charlie Cabash.
Starting point is 00:32:12 Chris and I have done a number of business brokerage deals and real estate deals together. You see him in here quite often. I'm still waiting for Chris to come into our office and actually contribute a bottle of booze to the office bar instead of pummeling our bottle of scotch and Irish whiskey like he does when he visits, hint, hint, Chris. Chris eventually gets 501 Cherry Avenue sold.
Starting point is 00:32:46 Initially, it was going to be a developer out of Baltimore that was going to buy it. And this developer out of Baltimore was going to do affordable housing there. They specialized in affordable housing and getting low-income tax credits. The Baltimore developer took a quick glance of the Charlottesville political landscape
Starting point is 00:33:07 and after doing a very thorough study period said, get me the hell out of here. If you build it, we won't come. and they hit the road jack then it went through this extended period of time of miss hall being bled dry finally in august of september in august of 2022 august 17th of 2022 wooded properties jumped in and made a three point five million dollar purchase if you remember during the pandemic in COVID, Woodard was doing a really good job of buying property along Cherry Avenue.
Starting point is 00:33:56 I don't know if it was an assemblage play. I don't know if it was, let's buy as much commercial real estate as possible at a time when commercial real estate has massive headwinds, COVID and the pandemic. But they had their eyes on Cherry Avenue, and it was smart. I mean, it's one of the most underutilized and undervalued streets in the city. I mean, I've said this so many times on the show, the most undervalued and potentially underperforming streets in all of a 10.2 square miles city we call Charlottesville or High Street
Starting point is 00:34:27 or Cherry Avenue. And I would probably put Cherry Avenue a little higher than High Street because of its proximity to the University of Virginia and its central location to everything Charlottesville. It's parallel to West Main Street. It connects effing Belmont and downtown to UVA. It's as Midtown as Midtown gets.
Starting point is 00:34:46 So they buy a boatload of stuff on Woodard. The one mistake I think they made was getting in bed with the Fifeville Neighborhood Association. Once the Fifeville Neighborhood Association started having its say or thinking it had skin in the game with building a grocery store and Woodard had to do this because it was a historically black neighborhood and Woodard is a historically white male-owned company and we know how that goes. sometimes in Charlottesville. So they try to play the optics and the perception and the politics game and they said, you know what?
Starting point is 00:35:25 We're going to get the historically marginalized neighborhood association to have a seat at the table. And next thing, what happened was that the seat at the table, a grocery store was being constructed. And not just a grocery store, but a grocery store that sold the freshest of produce possible,
Starting point is 00:35:44 the best, most highest quality meats possible, the healthiest of snacks and dairy possible at prices that were lower than the grocery stores like FoodLine and Wegmans and Teeter. So they were going to sell the most highest quality goods possible at the best price as possible and the smallest footprint of any grocery store locally. Make that make sense. And they were going to do it by finding an operator at a time where locally owned grocery stores were closing. They could find an operator. Of course they could find an operator.
Starting point is 00:36:19 Why? Because Harris-Teter and Wegmans and Food Lion, they struggle to do it, and they do it at like a single-digit profit margin, and they know the business like the Pope knows Holy Water. And the Fythel Neighborhood Association does not know groceries like the Sultan of Spit, Judah Wickhauer knows how to offer commentary. So now they form a co-op. And then they decide, we're going to try a co-op with the team out of Richmond
Starting point is 00:36:44 or this co-op with these people over there. All while this is happening, paralysis of analysis, the politics, and the mumbo-jumbo, Woodard is accruing $20,000 a month in interest payments. $20,000 a month. And at the very same time, the Stefan Freeman Empire collapses. At the very same time, South Street Brewery closes. At the very same time, the business next to South Street Brewery closes and a boatload of
Starting point is 00:37:14 other vacancies materialize because there's a ton of headwinds. Yeah. A ton of headwinds for small business in Charlottesville. So you now have this collision of a thousand cut revenue bleeding. And eventually they're like, oh my God, here we are in the second quarter of 2026. We made this $3,500,000 purchase in August of 2022. It's basically been four years now. We don't have an operator for the grocery store.
Starting point is 00:37:51 The Neighborhood Association thinks it can do it itself. Sunshine, Maython, and Piedmont Housing Alliance, which is one of the most financially careless developers in the community is a part of this project now. We need City Council to float some money. We're doing this in a historically black neighborhood. We're doing this at a politically charged climate and community. And we're doing this in an area that's going to have every Tom, Dick, and Harry,
Starting point is 00:38:19 in particular the salt of spit talking about us every day and we're doing this while a boatload of our other trophy properties are sitting vacant and not driving any kind of rent revenue. What the hell is going on? Sunshine Mathan yesterday on YouTube. I watched it. Only 50 people have seen it so far as of the beginning of this show. There was like three people in attendance in the council meeting seats available, Neil Williamson.
Starting point is 00:38:45 Sunshine Mathan says to council yesterday on the record, Woodard's getting dinged to 23. thousand dollars a month and interest just interest alone on this yeah and they're going to eventually pass that on to us why don't we just go ahead and buy it now council michael pain just moved out of his parents house jen fleischer works in mental health and natalie o'srin slings two hundred fifty thousand dollar weddings at pippin hill and knows nothing about real estate what do they do check yes check yes check yes check yes next thing you know it's a five o's a five o's vote. $3,850,000
Starting point is 00:39:23 later. $3,850,000 later, Piedmont Housing Alliance is your shot caller, your big baller for 501 Cherry Avenue. Now you have one of the most notoriously, financially, reckless developers in the city in charge of a gateway property. You have a landlord and developer bailed out by
Starting point is 00:39:54 City Hall again. This reeks of Holiday Drive. This reeks of Wendell Wood on High Street. This reeks of the Carlton Mobile Home Park. You have taxpayers on the hook for what is a boondoggle. Woodard's
Starting point is 00:40:12 jump and jacking. Sunshine Mathan's in the cap bird seat. He's playing Monopoly. He's driving his rivion all over town playing monopoly with taxpayer dollars. scooping things up. As long as projects are in the works and dirt is being moved, his job is safe.
Starting point is 00:40:33 Raises are certainly going his way and not just cost of living and incremental ones. City has no idea what they got themselves into. And what are we? Here's a prop bet for you, the viewer and listener. Which project comes to market first? 501 Cherry Avenue? Or what's the holiday drive, Adros, Suda?
Starting point is 00:40:58 2000. Or 2,000 holiday drive. Does an 80 sleeping bag holiday drive homeless shelter that's going to cost taxpayers north to $20 million come to market before 501 Cherry Avenue? Deep Throat, this is a perfect question for you. When this is all set and done, this is seriously up your alley deep throat, then I'm going to open it up to comments. Deep Throat says It's going to call The construction cost
Starting point is 00:41:33 is $12,600,000 and that's a 2025 estimate. Let's call it an even $14 million because there's no shovels in the ground. Let's call it an even $15 million deep throat throat because there's no shovels in the ground. $15 million, and let's call it $385,000 right now in acquisition.
Starting point is 00:41:55 What are we going to say? Somewhere between $19 and $20 million, for Cherry Avenue Deep Throat. He says it's $576,000 per unit construction development costs. At Cherry Avenue, $576,000. $576,000, right, $576,000 per housing unit. Jeez, Louise, that makes Holiday Drive look cheap.
Starting point is 00:42:20 $20 million for 80 Coleman sleeping bags. We'll even throw in a Yeti for each sleeping bag. $20 million divided by 80 Coleman sleeping bags with the side of a Yeti is $250,000 per sleeping bag. Hot damn, the homeless shelter is $250,000 per sleeping bag.
Starting point is 00:42:43 $576,000 per unit on Cherry Avenue. Well, you're certainly getting more than a cot or a or a bunk bed. I hope it costs more. And no one even knew this was happening. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:07 No one even knew this was happening. There was three people in attendance last night. And as of, let me see if I can look up the YouTube. You ready for this? Yeah. How many views on last night, Charlottesville City Council meeting? You want to see? If I put the over under at, if I put the over under at 75, do you take the over or under?
Starting point is 00:43:41 I'd take the under since you said it was pretty poorly watched already. 53 views on the YouTube channel. Three people in attendance. 53 views on last night's city council meeting on YouTube, the archive video of the meeting. Three people in attendance. Local developer who's bleeding $20,000 per month in interest, sells a $3.5 million property for $3,850,000 to a nonprofit that has no real revenue source
Starting point is 00:44:28 except for loans, taxpayer allocations, and grants. When did they start making those $20,000 monthly payments? Governance. Or is it, heck, it's 20,000. It's nowhere going to be near that. The city's approved a loan to people. Bidmont Housing Alliance that has a term of 42 years at a 3% fixed interest rate. I'm just talking about the carrying costs.
Starting point is 00:45:02 I mean, 3% on 42 years. And just like the Carleton Mobile Home loan, that loan's probably going to get forgiven, no? Wouldn't you bet? What? Eventually. This is why you watch and listen to the I Love Seville Show. Because it's honest and frank, and it's just talking. about stuff that no one else is talking about. You now have another piece of property taken off the tax rolls that was contributing tax, real estate taxes to the city. If the city continues doing stuff like this, holiday drive, Carlton Mobile Home Park, 501 Cherry Avenue, Wendell Woods High Street, Stacey Baker, Patty,
Starting point is 00:46:00 he says Amar County Public Schools is closed. So there's the flip book of what's going on at the gateway of Cherry Avenue. It's 125 and we have some other headlines. Is this where we talk Abigail Spamberger blocking the tax on tips? I think so. Is that the next one? Yep. You want to set the stage for us?
Starting point is 00:46:35 Well, a lot of people are not big fans of the big, beautiful. bill, but Janice Boyce Trevillian, I want a 42-year 3% loan as well. No doubt. Spamberger says no, waiters and servers, you're going to pay taxes on Tips. Yeah, and the
Starting point is 00:46:54 scary thing is that I think a lot of them had already had already gone through and claimed, filed. Yeah. The federal no tax on Tips policy was part of the one big, beautiful bill act,
Starting point is 00:47:09 allowing tip workers to deduct up to $25,000 in tip income from their income, from their taxable income for years 2025 through 2028. The IRS reports that more than 6 million Americans have already claimed the deduction with an average benefit of more than $7,100 per filer. and it's thought that this move will cost taxpayers in Virginia upwards of $80 million. Deep Throat offers some more color on the Woodard deal. He says, Jerry, you're right. Woodard has owned this property since 2022, so you can imagine the interest that they've already paid. north of a million dollars in interest using Sunshine Maiton's $20,000 a month interest payment.
Starting point is 00:48:11 And he says, I would imagine that Piedmont Housing Alliance may pay more than the $3.8 million loan that they're getting from the city. I think everyone that's watching and listening to this show, and I see two Charlottesville City Councilers watching the program right now, we should all follow the Charlottesville GIS. I'm going to. I will log in a few times every day to, you know what Charlottesville has better than every other jurisdiction?
Starting point is 00:48:46 A GIS. I'm going to log into the Charlestville GIS a few times every week. I'm going to go into the full address section of the GIS and type in 501 space, and just to let her see, and there I'll see Cherry Ave pop up. I'm going to then click Search. Viewers and listeners, you should bookmark this and write this down and do the same. I'll see WP 501 Cherry LLC.
Starting point is 00:49:12 I'm going to click that, and I'm going to click Ownership History. And I'm going to see who owns it, and I'm going to follow it. Okay? Because I want to see when this is recorded. And then I'm going to talk about, what the number is, what number, what the actual trade number is, what it trades for on the show. And then I might do a little like commentary, written, screen grab and publish it on the network and make it go viral for the community. Because I think people should know what's happening, right?
Starting point is 00:49:50 Now, in regards to Spamberger, if you voted for Abigail Spanberger and you were a server and you said, she's running on a platform affordability. And Winsom Earl Sears looks like she rode the short bus to school. And she's run a terrible, terrible, terrible campaign. And we all know she lost by double digits. So Spamberger's going to get my vote. And now you find out after you've already filed your taxes that the block on tips is a reality?
Starting point is 00:50:28 How are you feeling right now, Judah? not feeling like affordability was the main purpose of of Spanberger's goals in office definitely one guy has a has some suggestions about tipping in cash this is all one tips in cash well no one carries cash anymore everyone who worked as a server. I paid my way in part through UVA by doing a number of jobs, some legal, some gray area. One of the legal jobs was Ruby Tuesdays.
Starting point is 00:51:19 No one cash tipped reported. Fascinating. Cash tips aren't a thing anymore. Okay. Right? I mean, we still have cash. But to your credit, we should pay cash more. We should tip more in cash to the money.
Starting point is 00:51:46 the servers. But the credit card tips, dude, some of the restaurants now are tip pulling. There's one restaurant that I'm not going to name that I patronize often is losing some of its A workers because to create food and beverage equity, I don't know, server equity, it's a tip pool. And the bar keeps that have been there for decades
Starting point is 00:52:14 that have the best jobs, for years that have the best jobs, for years that have the best jobs and the servers that have the best seating and the regulars that always request their tables because they've been serving these families forever are now saying no matter how hard I work the money goes into a tip pool
Starting point is 00:52:30 and it shared with the servers that are two or three weeks on the job and the bartenders in particular are losing hundreds of dollars a shift and they're quitting. No doubt. They're quitting. Spamberger the block on tips. That is
Starting point is 00:52:49 unfortunate. The next headline we're going to put on the show, Dino's Market. I hope Dino's watching the program. Dino now has another stall at Dairy Market. And I think it's about
Starting point is 00:53:06 time if we rebrand Dairy Market to Dino's market. I like Dino's Dino. I like Dino's Dairy. All right, let's call it Dino's Dairy. Dino's Dairy Market. That doesn't have the same ring to it as Dino's market.
Starting point is 00:53:22 Which doesn't have the same ring to it as Dino's Dairy. We just call it Dino's Dairy? Yeah. All right. Dino's Dairy food hole? Doesn't the word market need to be in there? So people understand that it's a market, or are you just going to use a tagline? I mean, if people, if you're worried about people not going there now, I think the name
Starting point is 00:53:42 of the place is hardly your problem. What about the people that are new to Charlottesville? What about the parents, that of the UVA students? But how is the name of the place going to draw them when most of them are going to look online and Google, you know, good places to eat around here? That's fair. And they're going to get, you know. You're saying the user's more sophisticated than ever. And some is less sophisticated than ever.
Starting point is 00:54:22 He's got the old Cumbrae market, which is now rebranded to a bakery and coffee shop that he's shot calling with, not tied to the Cumbra guys. Yeah. That seemed to be getting ahead of their scheme. I'll be very straightforward. Are they expanding too quickly? Yeah. Had other skis. Let's see what happens.
Starting point is 00:54:43 I'll leave it at that. He's got the sizzle shack. He's got the pasta pasta. Yeah. He's got the Disserie chicken. He's got the Woodfire Pizza.
Starting point is 00:54:57 He's got the Moo Through. He and I were very close with me brokering the deal to purchasing Take It Away Sandwich Shop. That did not materialize in the bottom of the ninth inning because of, I'm not going to say anything. Why it didn't materialize?
Starting point is 00:55:21 Although I want to, but I'm not going to. You know, he is expanding at a time where people are contracting. He's got Dino's in Rutgersville. He's got the same coffee shop that he opened in dairy market next to him in Rutgersville. He's got a pizzeria in Fluvana County.
Starting point is 00:55:42 He's always on the lookout for a good deal. Dino, I hope you hear this. You're doing business the right way, the honest way, the communicative way, and people are returning favor. I'm very curious to see what happens to Dairy market, excuse me, Dino's Market, excuse me, Dino's Dairy, when Star Hill takes over the milkman's bar. And I'm very curious to see what happens to sunpin the bowling concept, the duck pin concept. that's very expensive and has limited lanes during the spring and summer months
Starting point is 00:56:16 when people are outside and set it inside. The headwinds for the market are when the weather is nice. The tail winds for the market is when the weather's cold and gross because you can get out of the inclement weather. My jury is out on the sunpins concept because of the prohibitive cost
Starting point is 00:56:41 and the limited lane offering. Yeah. My two cents. All right. Anything else on the docket? Is that Pruitt? Highlighting that Pruitt's coming on the show on Wednesday? Is that the last headline?
Starting point is 00:56:56 I believe so. Mike Pruitt, ladies and gentlemen. Wednesday, April 29th. Comments here from James Watson. James Watson's comment. He's a smart guy. I'm not 100% sure that Fifeville can be classified as historically marginalized because it's probably had about 99% employment rates
Starting point is 00:57:16 since it's always been home to lots of hospital workers that have had the convenience to walk to work. Lots of African-American homeowners have been part of that community, although indeed many of those folks are getting significantly older. I'd say I push back prospectively on that. FIFIL, I would say, has been historically marginalized as a neighborhood. Do you have anything to offer on that, Judah? Oh, really?
Starting point is 00:57:40 I'd say it's a historically marginalized neighborhood. I'd say Star Hill has been historically marginalized neighborhood, and Tenth and Page has been historically marginalized, although Tenth and Page is gentrifying faster than Fifeville and Star Hill. Conan Owen on the tax cuts. Conan says tax cuts don't cost anyone anything. Where do we get this notion that letting people keep more of their money they earn incurs a cost.
Starting point is 00:58:13 Is that, is he referencing that in, in, in, uh, as it applies to Spamberger and the server, the block on tips? Yeah, probably in reference to the Democrat, uh, general assembly. Um, I mean, they're the ones pushing all the new bills, the new tax bills to Spanberger. And, and, and to be fair, she is, she hasn't, she hasn't, she hasn't inked everyone. Yeah. I will say this. One of the most ridiculous things I've seen in a really long time.
Starting point is 00:58:44 Say the mayor of New York's name Mamdabi. Mom Donnie. Mom Donnie. He's got a new advertising campaign out. Mom Donnie. Oh, yeah. He's going to tax the people's second homes. The pietaires.
Starting point is 00:58:59 Yeah. That are five million up in Manhattan. Yeah. So if you have a pediatric second home, say it for me, put this on my list of... Pieditaire. Put this. on my list of butchered words that you and Ginny who are keeping here.
Starting point is 00:59:13 Piettaire. I'm not going to put that on there for you. Pieterterre. Why? That's not fair. Why isn't that fair? I'm butchering it. How often and how well do you speak French?
Starting point is 00:59:24 Pupater. Piaetetre. See, now you've got it great. Okay. How about put this on my list. Mama Donnie. Mommy Donnie. What were you calling him?
Starting point is 00:59:36 Mommy Donnie. Mom daddy. Mommy daddy. Mommy Donnie. Mom dad. Mom dad. Mom dad in Manhattan. Mommy Danny in Manhattan says, let's tax the second home owners that are at $5 million in up.
Starting point is 00:59:50 That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Why? What do you mean why? I want you, who is one of the most intelligent people I know, to explain to the viewers and listeners why taxing Manhattanites and there are piettares that are $5 million and up at aggressive clips is a stupid idea. Because you think they'll all sell? No. That's not why.
Starting point is 01:00:16 You got this. Go. You got this. I don't got this. Yes, you do. I know you got this. What is the nature of a second home? Depends on the person, I would imagine.
Starting point is 01:00:32 What is the nature of a second home, the essence of a second home's nature? Vacation home, a getaway? I don't know. Oh, there it is. So why is it dumb to tax getaways and vacation homes at aggressive clips? You got this. No, I don't. Because the people that own these homes, this is not their primary residence.
Starting point is 01:00:59 Right. So they rarely use them or they use them at a much more significantly less clip than their primary residences. Right. So they're not using Manhattan services. they're not using Manhattan schools, Manhattan transportation, all the shit that Manhattan is paying for from taxpayer dollars. You're literally driving out the wealthy who are not using the services in the city that you're leading, that are instead giving you Buku tax dollars tied to their five million and up second homes that aren't their primary residences, that aren't setting the kids to your schools,
Starting point is 01:01:43 that aren't pumping your subways, that aren't pounding your streets, that aren't creating potholes in pollution. You want these people because they come, they give you all their money, they spend all their money, they lavishly drip your city with money,
Starting point is 01:02:02 twice a year, you collect taxes on their 5 million-plus properties, and then they leave without taxing your service, using your services. Mommy Donnie is a numnuts. You don't tax the 5 million Pita Teres and push them out. Mommy Donnie? But when I suggested that it was going to push them out, you said no.
Starting point is 01:02:27 I think eventually it will. They'll be like, why the heck would I keep this? I'm just going to have my Piettaire in West Palm Beach. Well, Florida's not doing so well either. I'm not doing this to them, though. I'm going to have my Pietater in Dallas. Mommy Donnie. Mommy Donnie.
Starting point is 01:02:52 All right. I'll close with this comment from Handsome Hank. After the guaranteed minimum wage rate went into effect in 2023, wait staff are guaranteed a 1250 an hour rate. No matter if they are tipped or not, it's also contributing to the problem of cost. Another well-intentioned policy that impacts in ways not anticipated. Each restaurant owner is required to make sure that enough that tips
Starting point is 01:03:14 through that each restaurant owner is required to make sure that through tips or through their payment to the wait staff that 12.15 hours met. I said yesterday and Jim Hingley corrected me, the Commonwealth's attorney of Almar County via tax message after yesterday show. I said the Almore County,
Starting point is 01:03:32 the Charlottesville City School Board was the lowest paying job in Charlottesville City. What was? Charlottesville City School Board. Jim Hingley corrected me. And I did some basic arithmetic Matic with Jim. I said, if the school board member is working 40 hours per week at $2.13 per hour, that gives you $85.20 per week. $85.20 per week times 52 weeks equals $4,430 and take-home pay to be the
Starting point is 01:04:03 school board member. We know their take-home pay is $4,500. After second thought and after further glance, we know the school board member is not working 40 hours a week. and they're not working 52 hours, 52 weeks of year. However, the minimum wage for the restaurant worker is $12.50 an hour. With the $12.50 hour metric, I would bet the school board member is paid less in Charlottesville City. The Charlottesville City school board member is paid less than the waiter that's tending tables at the Nook. not even close all right
Starting point is 01:04:50 and I'm just basically taking that that's without the tips that's just under 1250 an hour that's the show judahwick Cowry you're truly jury Miller on a Tuesday so long everybody

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