The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Mayor Wade & Chief Kochis Q&A, Tuesday, 830AM; Dave Norris Says He Has A Solution To Homelessness

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

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Good Thursday afternoon, guys. I'm Jerry Miller. Thank you kindly for joining us on the I Love Seville Show. A pleasure to connect with you guys through the I Love Seville Network. Busy show for us, the second to last I Love Seville show of the week. Programming reminder next week, Monday through Friday. The I Love Seville show is off air as we are. on vacation. Judah and his family, his sisters and his parents will be enjoying sunshine and relaxation

in the Outer Banks. My family and I and our boys enjoying a much-needed vacation as well. So next week, no programming on the I Love Seville Network. We do return to regular programming, ladies and gentlemen, on Monday, September 22nd on the I Love Seville Network, with Dr. Wayne Frye and Jeff Gaffanies, the Everyday Faith Show at 1015 a.m. on Monday the 22nd, followed by the I Love Seville Show at 1230. A lot we're going to cover on the broadcast. By now you know, Charlie Kirk, which, who clearly is and was a polarizing figure, a right-wing political activists, author, media personality, entrepreneur, Trump ally, shot and killed. He has a wife and two children, outspoken, to say the least. Some of the topics he's chosen to be outspoken upon, borderline inflammatory at best,

in the category of racism and hatred most likely. I don't know about that. Judah may disagree with me on that. That's his prerogative. And that's, I guess, what I'm trying to highlight. We don't have to agree with each other. We don't have to disagree with each other. I'd rather live in a community where there's opinions

in different schools of thought that challenge me. even potentially irk and anger me but get me to feel something and get me to think. Some ways we try to do that with this show. Regardless, you know, someone's murder is not a cause for celebration and someone's murder is not a cause for

he got what he deserved. The murder of of Charlie Kirk and the response that I see he got what he deserved is like in the same category of people who say she was wearing barely any clothes

or she shouldn't have been dressed like that and that's why she got raped. It's despicable. It's not something that I find you know, sensible, not something that I even understand. Today's culture, and it's without question, the cause and effect of social media. Today's world, today's mankind, today's humanity is one that is so much colder

and so much quicker to cast judgment and hate. hatred. Is the country ever been more divided than right now? And goodness, this hatred and this land in the line in the sand division is something our kids are watching. It's all over social media. It's all over Instagram. It's all over TikTok, all over YouTube, all over Snapchat.

Our children are watching this. our seven-year-old asked about this. When did humanity become so inhumane? When did our first reaction as men and women become one to lead with hatred and vitriol and venom? instead of empathy and kindness and patience. My wife sent me the news yesterday. Then she sent me the unfortunate news of the school shooting that happened soon thereafter Charlie Kirk's murder.

Hug your loved ones. Tell them you love them. I did yesterday. Judah Wickhauer, you and I disagree often on the program. I think it makes for a good show. Our personalities, polar opposites, I think it makes for a good show. We clash. I think it makes for a good show.

I look forward to the disagreement. Perhaps maybe you not as much. Perhaps you do. I found a lot of what the late Charlie Kirk said to be inflammatory, and in some cases, today's version of racism. See, the problem is... Sexism and hate. You disagree. And here's an example of us disagree. The problem I see is that, well, the problem I've seen in the last day or so is that a lot of people are quoting him. and as is so often the case, taking the quotes out of context.

They're using it to paint a picture of him as callous. They're using a picture to paint a picture of him as all different kinds of things. They're using this to essentially put a stamp on their own hatred. and I find it disingenuous, to put it extremely kindly. He may have been inflammatory. I don't see... May have been inflammatory, well? I would have...

Yes, yes, he may have been inflammatory to some people. But I would seriously ask someone to point, me to anything racist that he said. He may have sounded callous at times but he, I believe, always engaged people in good faith when

people approached him to debate a subject. I think there's a significant list, a deep list of examples of inflammatory commentary. And he is a commentator.

He is an activist. Their role as commentators and activists in part is to be inflammatory because that's what drives emotion and engagement. A lot of his takes on race, I think, are right there in the category of racism. Okay. hard to argue with some of the things he said.

But what I will say, and I think you and I are both in agreement with, freedom of speech is what our country is in large part about. Yeah, 100%. I agree with you about that. And the fact that somebody targeted him because they disagreed with the things that he said, putting two and two together and looking at some of the recent happenings in Charlottesville. I can't help but notice that there are people that are afraid to come in front of the city council meeting. That's a perfect segue. Let's segue into that.

Because of what the exact thing that we saw during the meeting. Yeah. Last week, the woman that's in charge with, leading the pro-business lobbying group of the city said there's hundreds of people that are in my corner that are supporting what I'm doing here with this homeless ordinance where you can't camp in public and public-owned and city-owned property but they were afraid to come and speak before counsel because they were afraid of being canceled at the very least

there are threads on Reddit for example where Redditors are trying to docks local business owners on their political ideology whether they voted for Donald Trump or not a open list a crowdsource list that is growing every day the hatred is out there the hatred is so tangible and palpable

is there this higher power that is working to seed or instill hatred in our society, in our country? I don't think we need anyone. Or is it just at our doing with innovation like social media that is causing people to pick a side? When it's largely said and done, I think the very vast, majority of Americans are center- isled. The very vast majority of Americans are straddling a line in the middle of Republican and Democrat. And we cherry-pick a few apples of ideology from one party and apples of ideology from the other party. And those

cherry-picked fruits are who we are. And we may or not. disagree or agree with our neighbors, but we're all pretty much centered. We want our kids to have a better situation than us. We want the next generation to have a better situation than our generation. We want to be seen, heard, and understood. We all have that common element to who we are. We want to be seen, heard, and understood. We want to have some income to cover our shelter, our food, and other needs. We want to find a loved one and a partner, regardless of sexuality.

We want each day to be a little bit better than the next, if that's possible. I think the vast majority of Americans even have a mindset of golden rule. the vast majority Chief Kachas talked on this show when he was kind enough to join us was it a couple weeks ago. It was last week. Chief Kachas said that in the city of Charlottesville

and in central Virginia, it's 15 to 20 people that are causing the violence. The gun violence. He said it's like 15 to 20 people that are causing the violence. That is just a reflection of our country as a whole. It's such a small sprinkling of the people

that are causing the divide. You throw in a polarizing president that's run for three consecutive terms that's continued to be in the new cycle for what? 10, 11 years, if not longer. Yeah. You throw in some social media where misinformation or hate can spread at the blink of an eye.

You throw in some economic challenges with housing being more expensive than ever and people struggling just to pay their rent, cover their mortgage, or even secure rent or a mortgage. you add some food insecurity into the pot and you have a recipe for explosiveness and violence and anger and hate and yesterday in front of a lot of people there was a man 200 or however many yards I think it was 200 yards away with a sniper rifle and a scope who chose to take the life of a husband and a father of two

shot him in the neck because he didn't like what he had to say. And soon after that, a young man goes into a school with a handgun in the Denver, Colorado area, tries to kill his classmates before trying to take his own life. And that, ladies and gentlemen,

was just Wednesday, September 10th, 2025. And today on Thursday, September 11th, 2025, we commemorate the anniversary of the most significant terrorist attack in American history. Back-to-back days.

Wild Time. Anything you want to add to that? No. No, I think about... I want to thank everyone out there who's who's posts

memorials for him that I've seen for being respectful. I've seen some truly disgusting things online about him. And I find it hard to believe that there are

that there are so many people that that glorify anyone's murder. and so I'm very much appreciative that I think most of the people that watch us and most of the people that I know and I'm close with are not those kinds of people. I appreciate all of you out there and please do not push hate in any way ever. There's never a reason to hate.

Holly Foster, watching in Henrico. She says, the hate is awful. Remember 9-11, we all came together and prayed and loved each other. How soon we forget. Absolutely, Holly. Jeremy Wilson in eastern Tennessee, if Congress and Senate and the Senate would publicly stand together hand in hand and say, no more. We can disagree, but violence is never the answer. But their childish behavior and violent tendencies with words are the fuel that starts the fires. I think that's certainly

some of the fuel. Oftentimes it is. I think, unfortunately, how social media is built, hate and negative emotion is what really drives the algorithm, because that drives engagement. where happiness and positive emotion is, is, is, uh, de-prioritized. Yeah. I think, too, that, uh, are, the doom scroll has, uh, has trained us and desensitized us so that, uh, you know, we can watch the murder of someone live and five seconds later go on scrolling, and I think that desensitization, that lack of time to stop and consider makes a lot of these types of actions much easier for some people to even contemplate.

Yeah. The Doom Scroll is turning us into cold, hardened humans. Some of the stuff we see in the Doom Scroll is stuff we were never intended to see when men and women were made. we're desensitized I see it with our kids with the doom scroll comments coming in Margie King Collins to blame an entire party for the act of one individual

is ridiculous for anyone to condone what happened is disgraceful doesn't matter what party you're affiliated with or what you stand for this was a human being who lost his life a father and a husband holy cow he was younger than my daughter anyone laughing or putting a positive spit on this should be sent to hell. Vanessa Parkill, so do we now define disagreement or difference of opinion as inflammatory rhetoric?

Unfortunately, I think a lot of people do. I think Vanessa's made this comment before. We have the right to free speech, but there are consequences to free speech. and the consequences should never be taking of someone's life. 100%, which is what happened here. Yeah. But there is consequences to free speech.

Yeah. Carol Thorpe, with respect, I think many people consider your commentary is inflammatory. Absolutely they do. I think I highlighted that. The problem I think oftentimes is that those who disingen disagree are not listening for the actual content.

They're listening for buzzwords. They're listening for reasons to disagree. And I think a lot of the, I think a lot of the, what people would call racist remarks were taken out of context. And I think

just like what she is saying, a lot of people may be listening to us and taking things out of context. And a lot of people have their mind made up before they're listening or choosing to listen to learn. 100%. They already have like an image or someone sized up before they are willing to listen to learn. Take the camping ban ordinance, for instance.

The camping ban ordinance a perfect example. It was immediately vilified as criminalizing the homeless. But nobody stopped to actually actually. nobody stopped to actually put their mental capacity into working out what the real purpose of it was. They just came to the meeting, angry, and shaking their fists. And that's because of the activism led by livable Seville and Nakaya Walker, who caused that to happen. The camping ordinance where they gave the houseless who are camping on public property, a 10-day-notice, and then offered a store their blockings for 60 days free of

charge, was an ordinance rooted in empathy and humanity. The whole point of the ordinance was to go above and beyond. And then what took it even further was it was counsel who birthed the idea of the ordinance, but when 200 activists crowd canceled chambers and start screaming at Greer and Chief conscious, you saw that counsel didn't have the courage to say it was us who did it. Right. But I think the bigger problem is that all those people that came shaking their fists just read something that somebody posted.

They never stopped. They read a headline. They never stopped to actually think. And everybody keeps talking about, everyone keeps talking about the contents of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, the, of the, the ban ordinance and not the fact that it is not meant to be used as a blanket across all of Charlottesville. People focus too much on like, oh, it's, you know, it's giving a fine. It's doing this. It's doing that. Look, it's a law that is a framework over which the police can work. It's not meant to be, police are not going to be spreading out across the entire. of Charlottesville and

using the camping band to kick the homeless out of our city. That's not what it's for. That's not what is going to happen. That's... But these people have created this this enemy in their minds

that doesn't exist. And they fight it tooth and nail, even if it means... Delusion. Yeah. Even if it means tricking themselves and their mind into an alternate universe that is far from the reality of what they're reading in the newspaper, hearing on the show, or seeing on the public stream

for a local council meeting. Think about the delusion of tricking yourself into something that an ordinance like this is criminalizing homelessness when instead it's often grace to the homeless and think about tricking yourself into a reality where you think you're doing mankind a positive by killing a right-wing commentator and activists for the better of society that's delusion um-hmm bill mchesney uh charlie's tagline was convinced me otherwise does that seem familiar. I'm not sure what he's referencing there.

Chad Wood, shooting and killing people then calling for peace. It's getting old. Comments are coming in faster than I can keep up with here. K. Chart's, welcome to the broadcast. Bob Seffick, comments are coming in extremely fast right now. Bob Seffick,

we need a renewed focus on the humanities. That defines our humanity. While at many universities they are being cut, Alex Edmund's book may contain lies is a great example of headline bias, critical thinking needed. So what we try to do on the show is to go beyond

the headline. That's what we did yesterday with the tourism headline. The tourism headline that's everywhere right now is the $1 billion in tourism generated in Charleston, Almaro County in 2024. But beyond the headline was the real story that tourism in Charlottesville

City in 2024 was down one percentage point versus 2023. And in 2025, it's down versus 2024. So we have a trendline. That's the headline. That's the lead. That's what the story should be. That's why I think you watch. Interesting. And I guess we can rotate lower thirds on screen. Why don't you put the lower third for Chief Kachis and Juan Wade? On Tuesday at 8.30, and remember the I Love Seville Network is off all of next week while we're on vacation. I'm out. Judah's with his family in the Outer Banks.

My wife and I and our boys much deserve time together. Tuesday at 8.30 a.m. I'm really curious to see how this goes. There's a question and answer a Q&A with the mayor Juan Diego Wade and the police chief Mike Kachis. It's in downtown Charlottes. I'm not sure what it's hoping to accomplish. I hope it's not just window dressing, where it's like kumbaya with the police department and with counsel, and that the perception from last week was there was counsel leaving the police department and its chief on an island exposed with this hatred from activists in council chambers.

I hope it's not just trying to be window dressing and perception management. I hope in this question and an answer sending, Juan Diego Wade has the self-respect and the commitment to support Chief Conscious by saying this. It was counsel who came up with this ordinance and instructed them to do it. It was our idea to move this forward. And how I handled that meeting last week was in poor form

because I didn't keep hecklers in check and I allowed Greer Ackinbach and Mike Kachis to be heckled with nastiness. When if it was the activist that were speaking before counsel, and if others had chosen to heckle the activists, they would have been escorted from council chambers. If Greer Ackinbach was not a white woman who was pro business in downtown Charlottesville, but instead was a person of color that was speaking about houseless, resources and support, and if those in the audience had chosen to heckle the person of color

who was speaking about houselessness and support, those in the audience would have been immediately escorted out of council chambers. They would have maybe given one chance, and that one chance that would have been offered would not have been the mayor saying, please, please, please, he would have, and a loud stern voice would say, you stop, this is your last opportunity, or the police officer will take you out of here. But that's not what happened. The mayor, Juan Wade, was, frankly, in the management of that meeting, disillusioned himself. Disillusioned that he either intentionally or subconsciously thought those in attendance reflected the majority of people in the city.

and if that's what he thinks then he's not in touch with today's reality in the city yeah and i know juan wade and i hope he hears what i'm saying someone should let him know that we're saying this in front of a lot of people listening to this program i find him to be a reasonable man a sensible person a father a husband a civic steward a steward of civic engagement and of Almore County in Charlottesville. But the Juan Wade I saw presiding over that council meeting last week was not the Juan Wade that people elected into office and certainly not the Juan Wade.

He wants to be himself when he looks at himself in the mirror. Because the Juan Wade I know, if it was a person of color talking about homelessness and supporting the homelessness, Juan Wade would never have allowed that person to be heckled. But he allowed Greer Ackinback to be attacked and his police chief to be embarrassed in front of a packed council chambers and even more that we're watching on the stream. Every media outlet covered it afterwards. Juan Wade's management of that meeting did more from a negativity standpoint and more from a tarnishing the brand equity standpoint of police than anything conscious has done since he's arrived here.

and Cotches didn't even have control of it. No. In fact, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Greer deserves a lot of respect for the courage she showed going up there. But we need to highlight this. We need to highlight this. She is getting paid to do this. If you look at her body language,

I'm not a body language expert, but she was standing with her looking to the side and the back. and I think I think she genuinely was at least partially afraid that somebody was going to come up

behind her Oh I 1,000% agree with you Greer felt threatened in that meeting Yeah The body language I thousand percent agree with you I don't care if she's getting paid or not

Yeah She went up there and spoke And you can see the discomfort in her As she's talking looking to the side and behind her to make sure that none of these people are coming up with a weapon. Yeah. And the fact that nothing was done to quiet the crowd is almost unconscionable.

Unconscionable from the mayor. That's his responsibility over these meetings. I hope Juan Wade hears this. Okay. Someone should tag him. unconscionable and again I'll reiterate the double standard if it was not a white woman talking pro business there yeah and and your body language analysis is 100% accurate she felt threatened and scared yeah even chief conscious multiple times when doing his presentation had to like compose himself and give himself a minute you

You can see it in the clips we played on the show. Yeah. It's delusion. So, Juan, wait, on Tuesday, my, the expectation from the community is the start of the Tuesday 830 meeting is, is an apology from you. Is an apology from you, sir, of what you allowed to happen. Print, radio and television watching the broadcast as we speak. City Hall watching the broadcast as we speak. Elected officials watching the broadcast as we speak.

Deep throat says, not just unconscionable, but legally dubious to. council is not executing the standards of conduct in a viewpoint neutral way i i a thousand percent agree with that as well john blair's comment i hope you and jud have a great week off i think we can only pray that providence itself washes over our society and uplifts our souls to a spirit of compromise and understanding amen amen amen john blair we got news we got to get to on the program about the Dave Norris headline if you put that on let's see

on screen is a lower third and Dave Norris knows about dealing and struggling with with with you know activism that portrays him negatively Dave Norris was hung in effigy and market Street Park when it was formerly Lee Park during the Occupy Wall Street Occupy Charlottesville

movement when when city council and city hall at the time allowed the park arguably I'd say it's most invisible one in the city it's the most prominent one because of the gateway to downtown it became an occupy Wall Street Occupy Charlottesville epicenter one that was so dangerous that rape whistles were handed out because women who were camping in this encampment were being raped by other people living in the encampment.

Stabbings, violence, open-air drug use, the mayor hung in effigy. This concept of creating encampments strategically around the city, understand the Pandora's box you're opening yourself up to.

It's not just a Pandora's box of taxpayer resources allocated to creating the camp, but it's a message that Charlottesville is welcoming to anyone from around the region that is looking for an encampment and infrastructure that goes with it, and the potential of violence that can result in these encampments. We've already seen it. Remember Sandersville, the encampment at Market Street Park just a little while ago in early Sam Sanders' tenure? NBC29 did an interview. It was either NBC29 or CBS19 with one of the campers in Sandersville and Market Street Park.

And on the television interview, they wanted to host an open house for the Market Street Park encampment. And interviewing the camper, he's like, we're going to host an open house. open house. We're going to have cookies and narcan. Brownies and cookies for the kids to come by. We'll also have free Narcan for anyone that needs it. Come to our open house at the Market

Street Park and camping with Sandersville. That was like the icing on the cake that dashed Sandersville. Someone in local media and props and kudos to the TV station for getting the best sound bite ever. Someone camping in Market Street Park that's like, we want to humanize and localize this encampment.

We want everyone to come. We got chocolate chip cookies and double Dutch fudge brownies for the kids to come by in. Goodness gracious, we'll have all the narkin you need. Come on over to our open house. I think I'll pass. Literally the soundbite. I think we played it on the show. How's Dave Norris proposing he's going to solve homelessness and houseless here locally, Judah?

I don't know if he's posing that he will solve it, but he says that we came close to solving it not too long ago. He points out the fact that, and this is an article in Charlottesville Tomorrow, written by Dave Norris just a couple days ago. It's actually interesting. I think he makes a lot of good points. He talks about the fact that in the 1950s and 60s, homelessness declined to a point where people thought that it might actually completely

disappeared by the 70s, which obviously it didn't. However, he talks about the fact that in 2012, we built the Virginia supportive housing, which is now Support Works housing, built the crossings at 4th and Preston. And the number of homeless people, a number of chronically homeless people because of that building dropped almost 60%. the problem he says is that we sat after after we built it we patted ourselves in the back sat down and forgot about it and if we had kept up if we're now building another one if we had built more if we had put into place some of the things that we need to help these people then we wouldn't be at this point now he talks about the fact that shelters are just a band-aid

like I said it says systems need to change so that fewer people fall into homelessness in the first place obviously we're not going to build no one's going to build enough enough just plain old

regular houses to solve any of the problems in Charlottesville right now we've seen in a year and a half that you know it's just not happening so I think he makes some good points I think support works housing is is working on something I think that will help I think we need to be smart about this I think that's the biggest thing is that we need to be intelligent and not just emotional what we saw in the city council meeting was emotion that lacks any kind of intellectual railing.

Intellectual innovation, intellectual strategy, plan. Yeah. The challenge that council has, though, let's say it's about creating the crossings, right? Which is what,

over there next to Wendy's and McDonald's, right? I think so, yeah. Right across from the county office building. Right off Preston. Fourth and Preston, yeah. All right. Let's just say that's the case, right? We need to build one of these.

Let's think about a time. timeline, okay? They're saying just for a low barrier shelter, we're more than a year away. And they got the money already earmark for it for the low barrier shelter, right? They got the money for it. They had a site in Fifeville for it. Had a site and Fifeville, the old Salvation Army thrift store. All counsel straight up saying we're more than a year away from having a low barrier shelter. They're genuinely telling everyone, we cannot find someone that will take money from us, taxpayers, to run a low barrier shelter as the operator, whether in the for-profit space or the non-profit space. And as a result, we're more than a year away from this

low-barrier shelter that Dave Norris calls, did he call it not the solution? Did he basically call it a Band-Aid? He said it's a Band-Aid. Said a Band-A. Okay. So he's saying what really needs to happen is housing to be built, right? Well, Vista 29 should have its doors open in 2026. Yeah. Okay. Good example. We can't get out of our own way to do a low barrier shelter. Yeah. We can't get out of our own way to build, take that historic building on Whartland and turn it into more housing.

When everybody wants more housing locally, or at least it appears to be, the majority of people want less housing friction for units to come on market. Developers are coming to council saying, we want this historic building on a whartland torn down for housing. People are coming on Bo Carrington and Wendell Wood trying to come on market for housing on High Street. Chris Henry trying to come on market for phase two or phase three of dairy market.

Like, there's a long list of examples of people that are actually trying to build housing. And take the low barrier shelter. You would think the low barrier shelter was like, you know, a fart from the devil with how Fifeville responded to the low barrier shelter. Like Lucifer was pooding with how Fifell responded to the low barrier shelter.

To be fair to Fifeville, their response was no different than any other neighborhoods that was told what they were told? I don't think there's a single neighborhood locally that's going to want a low-barrier shelter in the neighborhood. No, of course not. So we can't single out five-fil- Okay, I agree with you.

So we're in agreement that the reality of a low-barrier shelter is probably not that great, right? Probably not that great, I agree. Like, they're basically saying they can't find anybody to run it and we will give them a bag of money to do it. It's hundreds of thousands of dollars that they have earmarked for somebody to run it. And they can't find anyone to run it.

Then the real problem is they can't even find a location for it. Maybe they could get, what were they called again, block to block, block by block? The Louisville janitors to run the shelter? Maybe they could run the shelter too. City Council is allocating $1.2 million to a bunch of janitors from Louisville to keep the downtown mall clean. And Chief Conscious is telling city council that you're going to pay Louisville janitors to keep the mall clean and give them $1.2 million of taxpayer resources, but you're not going to put a framework in place for disallowing camping and public setting. I linked it to the example of our

family German Shepherd, Max, who's a shedding freak laying in the Oriental rug in our living room and the dead center, and my wife taking the Dyson vacuum and vacuuming all around him and not asking Max the German Shepherd to get off his favorite spot in the middle of the Oriental rug. These janitors from Louisville are literally going to have to clean and sweep around Max the German Shepherd on the downtown mall. Yeah.

Wild times we live in. Let's see Tuesday how let's see Tuesday how Wade responds, the mayor response. How do you think he's going to respond? I mean, I'm not sure what they're hoping to accomplish.

so it's hard for me to fathom how he's going to respond in this. You know what they're trying to accomplish. No, what? You know what they're trying to accomplish. After, it's a kumbaya moment. You know that. Okay. This is the invitation.

You're invited Jerry to a Q&A with the police chief and the mayor to discuss the ordinance on camping and storage that was recently tabled. There's, I don't know. A couple hundred people invited to this. I mean, is it an olive branch to the police department and chief conscious, as well as those of us who were shocked and disturbed by the fact that the city council meeting was so in hospitable? That's what I think it is. That's what I think it is. That's 100% what I think it is.

It's just an olive branch that, like, dude, we really got your back here. And it didn't come across like we had your back. But we really do. But we really do. And we need to have this kumbaya moment. Let's roast some marshmallows. Let's sing sweet lo, sweet chariots. And let's have some cocoa by the campfire with a bunch of people watching.

And hope that builds trust and support again. Carol said she'd like you to finish the comment that you'd do. I can't find it, Carol. There's hundreds of comments here. Lonnie Murray says, I have so much respect for Dave Morris. Bill McChesney says it's a kinder, gentler solution. Is he talking block to block? I'm not sure.

Oh, man. 124. I got a 130 Zoom call here. We've got five minutes left. Some guy that's trying to bring a new venture to market. Georgia Gilmer, could it be possible that counsel is afraid to confront the activist for fear of being canceled or worse?

100%. I think that is 100% what's happening here. don't you? Yeah, I don't think they want to lose And the crazy thing is like a guy like Brian Face Liberal creed I think

I think a guy like Brian Pinkston has What, three months left? Three and a half months left? Yeah, not much time. What does Pinkston have to lose? Pinkston

is, Pinkston's legacy on council is akin to milk toast. He's like when you go to Ben and Jerry's and you have Rocky Road and fish food and cookie dough

and Neapolitan, he's the tub that's right there that's vanilla that doesn't have any scoops taken out of it. Milk toast. Pinkston, you legitimately have

a hundred days left on council how will you be remembered what is your legacy he's the one he's the second one that I'm most disappointed with Wade with how he managed the meeting picks it with the fact that he's at the end of the road he's not going to run again

He's lost twice. He's won one. His record is one and two. That's not going to be a fourth try. It's not going to be a fourth plate appearance. Sadly, I think in all of the council members, the lack of response was as much apathy as it was, and potentially more apathy than it was fear of the cancel crowd.

Obviously, I can't speak to them individually. Vanessa says, Pinkston saw us to live in the community when his time on council is done fair enough. Bob Shotta, bring all the trailers from the UVA area that has been housing the athletes now that the new building is opening. Carol, I think, is reposted or comment again. With respect, I think many people consider your commentaries inflammatory. They do.

That's what the show's about. I recall times when your statements were taken out of context and I defended you to others. My having hurt what you said in its entirety. if we believe in free speech and the American principle to express one's opinion no matter how offensive they may be to others that was what was attacked yesterday yes you may be challenged for what you say

or even held accountable to a degree but speech should never cost one their life especially in America I agree that's what we're saying we're a hundred percent saying this there's consequences to free speech but those consequences to free speech are not murder

there's consequences to free speech heckling ridicule and damning commentary while you're speaking before city council on behalf of a lobbying group but those consequences should never be violence all right I got at 1.30

that I got to get ready for, literally of 60 seconds. Remember, we're off next week. You got a, I'm very curious to see what the over, under is, ladies and gentlemen, on actual attendance, not announced attendance on Saturday's game. It's a 12 p.m. kickoff, which is the death time slot for fan engagement. and UVA is coming off a loss to NC State where there were dubious coaching decisions made and the opponent is William and Mary,

which does not travel well. If this home game gets less than 35,000 in attendance, that will be back-to-back home games, the first one against Coastal Carolina, and this one against William and Mary, where there will be as many empty seats as there are full seats in Scott Stadium. And that should be part of the decision-making when it comes to retaining the coach,

Tony Elliott, or not. It's wins and losses. It's economic development. It's literally setting the tone and tempo for a department that is tens of million, 100 plus millions of dollars. 10.15 a.m. tomorrow. Real talk with Keith Smith. 10.15 a.m. tomorrow. And then we close the week before vacation.

with the I Love Seville show at 1230. Judah Wickhauer and Jerry Miller. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.