The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - More Dysfunction & Resignation At UVA Health; Phony Resignation Letter For UVA Medicine Dean

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

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YouTube is now up and running. Good Tuesday afternoon, guys. I'm Jerry Miller. Thank you kindly for joining us in the I Love Seville show. Please forgive the late start today on a 70 degree Tuesday afternoon in downtown Charlottesville. A lot we're going to cover on the show, folks. Get this. Are you ready for this? This is what caught my attention today. By now you know if you watch the show, the UVA Health System is an embattled brand. It's a brand and a health system that is in a perceived and actual turmoil.

And the CEO of the health system resigned, his name is Dr. Craig Kett, and he resigned in a clandestine, after hours, unexpected fashion. Law firm presents an investigative report to the Glen Yonkin controlled UVA Board of Visitors. And in this investigative report, which we have still not seen, which we probably will not see, as soon as that report is presented to the Board of Visitors, the CEO Craig Kent resigns.

Since his resignation, another heavy hitter, and Jude is going to give the who, what, when, where, why here in a matter of moments, with UVA Health has offered his unexpected resignation. He resigns because he wants to back Craig Kent and he says, that's it, I'm outta here. How you treating Craig Kent? I'm hitting the road, Jack. He hasn't even read the investigative report

from the law firm, yet he offers his resignation. Now we have the Dean of the medical school. There's a phony resignation letter that's been circulated. And this phony resignation letter is real. Then UVA has to issue a statement. You need to ignore the resignation letter that is circulating about the UVA School of Medicine Dean. It's a hoax, and while it looks very real, Dr. Melina Kibbe is in fact not resigning. This is a cacophony of comedy. This is a cornucopia of what the hell is going on.

You have a CEO quitting at an after hours clandestine meeting in unexpected fashion. You have a dean who many think has resigned, but in fact says the letter, the resignation letter, in fact proves to be a hoax or a phony. And now we're just left scratching our heads, wondering what is going on with the health system, an outfit that generates billions of dollars in revenue for the University of Virginia.

I want to talk about dysfunction and resignation and phony letters today on the I Love Seville show. I want to talk diversity, equity, and inclusion and how it applies to the University of Virginia. Are we truly now a DEI-free school here in Charlottesville? I want to talk Mudhouse Coffee closing on 10th Street. This is next to Guajeros. I want to talk the city funding a low barrier shelter today on Cherry Avenue. We still don't have an operator. I'm not sure how significant this news is but we'll talk about it. I

want to talk Carla Williams writing a letter to donors and to alumni saying hey the transfer portal period begins on the 24th of March and it runs about a month. We're gonna have a head coach hired and in position to lead the men's basketball program before the portal period expires. Is that Ryan Odom? Right now a lot of people are saying it is,

including Jerry Hoodie Radcliffe who said, that was the favorite right now on the Jerry and Jerry show. There will be no I Love Seaville show tomorrow, that's a programming note. And on Thursday, we will interview, ladies and gentlemen, the founder of Coco's Adventure Factory. His name is Dr. Daniel Halpert, who I've been corresponding with this morning.

Judah Wickauer is behind the camera, the director and producer of the program. Judah Wickauer, studio camera, then a two-shot. As I ask you the same question I ask you to start every single show, which headline do you find most intriguing and why? Judah Wickauer. I'm most interested in this crazy phony letter going around. This is just wild and you're right, it's a little bit childish. It reminds me of high school.

It reminds me of high school when we used to pass letters back and forth, notes back and forth to our crushes. I'd write a letter, it'd have a box or two, do you like me, Check yes or no. I would pass it to Kenny Allen. Kenny Allen would pass it to Jen Sherling. Jen Sherling would pass it to Lauren and Lauren would have to check, do you like me? Yes or no. And then pass the letter back to me. Sometimes those notes would get circulated in Algebra 2 Trig class with Mr. Gillespie leading the classroom,

and the A squared, B squared, C squared, the Pythagorean theorem curriculum of the day, and a note would get passed to somebody in the classroom from allegedly me asking if I like them, when in fact I was not the author of that note. That's what's going on here. The Dean of the Medical School has a letter circulated. It's been circulated and this letter was so true to form that the media needed a statement released by the University of Virginia acknowledging that the letter was in fact a hoax.

Dr. Mitch Rosner, the interim head of the hospital who is in a stopgap role since Craig Kent resigned in February, he legitimately on Monday said this was a hoax. You have the dean of the medical school in outfit that does billions and billions and billions, billions with a B and gross revenue every year. A letter that is so true to form that you have the Board of Visitors. You have a joint statement from UVA Provost Brie Gertler, the intro.

Look at the people that have issued this statement here at the University of Virginia. The interim CEO of UVA Health, the interim head of UVA Health, is Mitch Rosner. The interim provost is Brie Gertler. They both, interim, had to issue a statement saying, this letter was phony, Judah. There's also a video.

A video so true to form that, I mean, who is behind this? I don't even know what the video is comprised of. It's obviously not going to be actually Kibbe. I mean, that goes without saying. Can you imagine a world where we're in that there's such disdain for leadership that someone or some group or some entity is authoring a phony letter and phony video and saying that the Dean has resigned? I mean and how do you even make a phony video out of curiosity? I'm curious about that as well.

Like, how do you make a phony resignation video? And the letter apparently says, I deeply appreciate everyone who takes the time to watch it. I want to find this video. Who's got the receipts? Who's got the video that they can send to Judah and I? We have a copy of the letter. I want to see the video. I have the phony hoax letter.

I want to see the phony hoax video. John Blair asked the question, at what point does UVA start to do some real damage to its brand? He says, I swear the past three or four years have been stacked with controversy. Absolutely. Stacked with controversy. Absolutely. Stacked with controversy. And this is all on the heels of the investigative report with the triple murder of the Virginia football players

not being released. The mother of one of the football players saying, just tell me what happened to my kid. Who else is going to get stuck in this brand? suicide and this quicksand of collateral damage and Why have we not heard from kibbe? Why has she not made an official statement right now? We have no official statement from the Dean of the medical school despite a hoax letter

About her despite a hoax video about her and despite more than 100 of her team members, her subordinates asking or demanding her resignation and we have heard nothing from her of late. Do you find that intriguing? Or you would you say time will kill the story, leave it alone, ignore it, ignore it, ignore it? Bill McChesney says this is the world of AI we live in. Are you surprised? No statement. I'm guessing that that's the same advice that she's getting from President Ryan. Keep your head down, let this blow over.

I mean, that seemed to be his- Makes the parallel to Jim Ryan, I like that. His MO. Yeah. Maybe that's what it is. The difference is, with Jim Ryan, I think his time is heading, is winding down in Charlottesville.

Could be. I don't think Kibbe's time is winding down in Charlottesville. Could be. I don't think Kibbe's time is winding down. Okay. At least from her personal runway and her personal choice. Media is reporting about a phony and hoax letter. Be curious to hear from the person herself about this bamboozling of commentary that is out there on the interwebs.

Very interesting. Now, we didn't have a chance to get to this yesterday. Do you, no, first we gotta highlight the second individual that's resigned. You've got the who, what, when, where, why in front of us here. Another surprise resignation, what makes this resignation so surprising, Judah,

is this is a man who's resigning despite reading the investigative report from the third party, from the law firm. Do you want to set the table for us on this? Despite reading? He has not read it. Right. Has not read it.

Set the table for us. Yeah, this is a member of the board, the UVA Health System Board, Thomas Scully. He is a prominent of the board, the UVA health system board, Thomas Scully. He is a prominent health care attorney and he has recently resigned from the board stating that there's no basis for corrective action. He's basically saying that despite having not read the report. He's residing in protest to how correct Kent was treated. That's what he's just saying right there.

Calling them toxic forces that in his view led physicians and faculty members to accuse Kent in the first place. Why offer your resignation here? Especially if you haven't even, I mean, Scully, who acknowledges he was not privy to the investigation, blames I mean, I don't even know why he's making commentary if he hasn't seen the report. I've read elsewhere that UVA officials agreed that what was in the report necessitated Kent's resignation, but then they also say that it doesn't necessitate doing anything else in terms of changing practices. the whole situation is odd. And yeah, to have this guy retire

and go on what seems like a long random tirade about the UVA health system, despite not seeing anything from, I mean, he touches on everything from the individual lawyers who did the report to the firm that did the report to, I mean, it's just he's got a lot to say about a report that he hasn't seen. The interesting aspect of what Scully offered during his resignation, he highlighted that there is an extremely talented Board of Visitors member

that's orchestrating all of this behind the scenes. Yeah. Is that extremely talented Board of Visitors member that's orchestrating all this almost as if they are a puppeteer? Are we to believe that as Bert Ellis, the co-founder of the Jefferson Council, the Atlanta businessman who was appointed to the board by Glenn Yonkin. Do we believe it's Bert Ellis? Is there something that leads you to believe it's him?

Bert Ellis and previous Board of Visitors meeting has highlighted the fact that we need to cut spending, that he does not recognize the University of Virginia, that it needs to return to its former glory of Thomas Jefferson pedestal, single sanction, honor code, and less protest, pop and circumstance, and more learning, more tradition, more conservatism. That's what he's alluded to in past BOV meetings. Viewers and listeners, do you think the talented Board of Visitors member that is orchestrating

all of this as Scully, who just resigned, as he has said, is Bert Ellis? Very curious of your thoughts. My instinct says it is. That's what my instinct is. What are your thoughts viewers and listeners? Jude I want to give some love to Charlottesville Sanitary Supply. 60 consecutive years in business. Charlottesville Sanitary Supply online on East High Street, online on CharlottesvilleSanitarySupply.com, in person on East High Street. John Vermillion, Andrew Vermillion, the Vermillion family,

three generations strong, Charlottesville Sanitary Supply, guys, what are your thoughts on this? Very curious. And all of this is happening at the same time that the University of Virginia is under investigation for anti-Semitic discrimination and harassment. The U.S. Department of Education, Bill McChesney, I saw that as well, Judah brought this to our attention today,

the U.S. Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights sent a letter, Judah, you saw that, right? Yeah. To the University of Virginia amongst other universities, 60 in total. Listed UVA among 60 colleges that received letters from the department's Office for Civil Rights, urging them to comply with the Civil Rights Act and protect Jewish students. Columbia University is on there, Cornell University is on there, George Mason is on there, Johns Hopkins is on there, Ohio State University is on there, Princeton is on there. George Mason is on there. Johns Hopkins is on there. Ohio

State University is on there. Princeton is on there. Stanford University is on there. University of California Davis, UCAL San Diego, all the UCALs are on there. I mean, North Carolina Chapel Hill is on there. USC Southern California is on there. And the one right Yale University is on there, USC Southern California is on there, and the one right, Yale University is on there, and UVA right here is on there. Judah, what is going on here? I mean, it's pretty hard to straddle this fence, because you can't allow people shouting support for a terrorist organization to do what they want to do

and also protect the people that they want to destroy. It doesn't work. What's the fine line on college campuses and college grounds between free speech and racism and anti-Semitism? I think the fine line in this case is actually protecting students. I mean, we've heard stories, mostly anecdotal, but we've seen them in the newspapers of Jewish students who are, you know, who are, I haven't heard too many of them getting, getting harmed, but we've heard of harassment. We've seen, we've seen students talking about the fact that they're afraid to wear anything that might identify them in terms of like yamakas, stars of David, for fear of reprisal from other students on campus. campus and if you're not gonna make if you're not gonna take their if you're

not gonna take them seriously when they when they bring these issues to light and if you're not going to protect them then you're taking the other side. Judah Wickhawers. And the other side is terrorists. Judah Wickhawers on point today. In many cases. I shared the link on my personal Facebook page William McChesney has shared it as well in the comment link on my personal Facebook page. William McChesney has shared it as well in the comment section on my personal Facebook page. I'm going to share the link ladies and gentlemen on my Twitter account where this show is airing upon. Please read this. I'm sharing the link. I'm going to share the link in the comment section of my personal LinkedIn. I'm sharing the link on I Love Seville Facebook, the I Love Seville group. I'll share it on YouTube

right now. You should read this. Came out yesterday ladies and gentlemen. This is a concerning turn of events where the US Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights sends a letter to 60 universities, including the University of Virginia. The University of Virginia is under investigation for anti-Semitic discrimination and harassment. The letter warns of potential enforcement actions if institutions do not fulfill their obligations under Civil

Rights Act to protect Jewish students on campus. Yeah. We, Judah, I'm just going to try to outline what's happening here, okay? We have the CEO of the health system resigning at an after hours clandestine board of visitors meeting in surprising fashion. Over a report that they refused to release? Over a report that they refused to release, over a report done by an independent third party law firm, a report that has the investigative results on whether the health system at the University of Virginia used fraudulent methods to bill patients to milk average Joes and average Sallys out of the money, their own money, when it pertains to patient care.

A report that offers investigative insight on whether bullying and cronyism and backroom dealing and just basically white collar racketeering was done at the University of Virginia, was if medical chart changing to maintain regional and national performance standards was done. Really, the lighthouse or the insight of if the nastiest of health system behaviors was actually a reality. We're probably not going to get that report, but we do know the CEOs resigned. Definitely not going to get the report. Since the CEO resigned, we're talking about a man making a million and a half dollars a year.

The highest paid individual at UVA, the guy who quit. Since that man resigns, we then have Mr. Scully resign. Mr. Scully, cite his position for the viewers and listeners. He's a lawyer who's on the UVA Board of Health. He's on the Board of Health. He's on the Board for UVA Health. He resigns in protest to Craig Kent's treatment. He hasn't read the investigative report either, but he says how Craig Kent was treated was

so BS, I'm going to quit as a result. And on his way out the door, he says there's somebody on the board of visitors of UVA that's puppeteering this entire fiasco. He also says the Williams and Connelly investigators looking into this were young attorneys with no experience in health care. Which I push back on that because we're talking attorneys in their 40s that were educated at Ivy League universities, some with ties to the Hillary Clinton political. He also said it was clear and obvious that they were being directed to a preconceived outcome.

Right. Which also seems odd. Well, for this guy to make that comment, he's on the board of UVA Health saying the investigative team, the third party law firms, third party law firm that investigated all these terrible allegations, he's basically saying they came in with an agenda. It was a hatchet job investigation. That right there reeks of gross misconduct as well. Yeah, you're basically accusing the lawyers who are investigating, not to mention their firm, on not even doing their job and just doing a hash it job based

on whatever somebody wants them to do. What a talented board of visitors member did and then in the wake of that a fake phony hoax letter is circulated and this fake phony hoax letter is all about the Dean of the medical school and this fake phony hoax letter is so real that the interim head of UVA health and the interim UVA provost have to issue a statement saying that this fake phony hoax letter is not actually real. Then there's a corresponding fake phony video about the dean of the medical school saying that she's resigned as well. I'm curious if it is an AI video.

What the hell is going on here, viewers and listeners? Do you hear what I'm saying? All of this is happening at the exact same time that the US Department of Education is investigating UVA about anti-Semitic discrimination and harassment, Basically saying Jewish students are unsafe or are facing... They're not getting the support they need from the school, certainly. And all this at the same time is happening where

federal funding is being threatened, an investigative report about the triple murder of UVA football players is not being released, to the point of one of the mothers is begging to find out what happened to her kid. Not even a year removed from when students were pepper sprayed by the state police in militia fashion. How do you talk about basketball head coaching search? Not to mention that they're currently trying to find ways to continue the DEI initiatives

that started without, after saying that they're getting rid of the DEI initiatives. Do you want to set the table for that one for the viewers and listeners? As you rotate the lower third A. Get ready for this one. I mean, it's... This is insane. You can't make this up. This is a movie script, ladies and gentlemen. This is...

At least a Netflix documentary. No doubt. Let's see. A lot of this comes from James Bacon, who's wonderful on jeffersoncouncil.org. And he talks about the fact that UVA Board of Visitors is scheduled to have an open session on Friday. This would have been a week or so ago about admissions policies because they're being told to cut the DEI stuff, which means they're having to rethink things. They are thinking about bringing back,

looking at test scores. One of the things that they took out of the system during COVID. And it's Bacon's guess that they may be looking for workarounds. And he says, Eric Ramirez Weaver, the Faculty Senate DEI committee, explored how UVA could comply legally with the Supreme Court ruling and executive orders,

but achieve the same aims through workarounds. And this is from, this is from Weaver, Ramirez Weaver. I'm speaking to the DEI committee. Some of the issues that surfaced prior to the recent executive orders involved how new recruiting techniques can be done post the Harvard decision, which is, which now is even more important

in light of executive orders on DEI, and in fact, the dear colleagues letter from the Department of Ed. I think a very straightforward thing we need to know is how the programs that Greg Roberts, Director of Admissions, implemented, which were workarounds in order to promote a diverse class, are now requiring even more rethinking and reconsideration and what if anything are the strategies going

forward. So here here's what's basically happening succinctly. Federal funding is being used as leverage to eradicate diversity, equity, and inclusion protocols everywhere. And UVA on paper is following what Glenn Yonkin has been touting on national TV over the last 48 hours. That UVA and DEI are a thing of the past. But behind the scenes... Behind the scenes, some speculate, including the Jefferson Council, that DEI is front and center.

And just going underground. And is just going through workarounds or other clandestine, off-the-record mythologies. What happened to transparency and being straightforward, being what you see is what you get in above ground? What happened to UVA's honor code? Perfect, Judah. What happened to honor? Or does that only apply to students? Or does that only apply to students in fraternity life and Greek life? How is all this happening at the same time?

How is the trust and the credibility of UVA Health being eroded and destroyed at the very same time, the trust and credibility and the safety provided to Jewish students is eroding at the same time. At the same time that an investigative report, triple homicide, is not being released, at the same time that diversity, equity, and inclusion is either going underground or is being repositioned and rebranded. It's all happening at the same time. I am no conspiracy theorist. The last person you will find to be a conspiracy theorist is me.

But I ask a genuine question at the flagship university and the oldest Commonwealth. Is it the oldest Commonwealth in the country? Oldest Commonwealth University or oldest? What is the oldest state in the United States? Is it Virginia? Is that Delaware, 1787, first, December 7th, then Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Georgia, Connecticut? Okay, so we're talking tenth according to this website that I'm on. States of admission, the flagship university of the Commonwealth of Virginia. How is all this happening at the same time? Is this a coordinated attack of some kind?

Then you've got Tony Bennett's surprise resignation. You've got a football program that's struggling, that has the least amount of wins over the last three years of any of the power conferences? You got a basketball head coach that they're trying to hire. Carla Williams writes a letter to alumni and donors on Monday saying, bear with me, I'm gonna have this hire done before the end

of the spring portal period. The period starts on the 24th of March? John Blair leaves this comment, how about a timeline of events? Since December 2021 we've had the following. Bronco Mendenhall resigning out of the blue as the football coach of UVA. Tony Bennett resigning out of the blue the sign on the UVA lawn FUCK UVA on the lawn door that Bert Ellis tried to eradicate himself I'm no longer using his nickname on this program here after being reprimanded by the Board of Visitors for

monikering What I think is the most talented board according to Scully who's resigned, the most talented board member according to Scully. That's who I think he's alluding to. We nicknamed him a sharp cutting object, which we're not gonna reference. That happened. You had the Palestine, the pro-Palestine

pepper spraying protest happen. The investigation and resignations with UVA Health. The triple homicide. The hazing investigations at UVA Fraternity and Greek Life. You had the Sianna Bryant trying to kick somebody out of school for a comment she made to a barricade truck. hearsay. hearsay.

John's right. We forgot about the UVA guide service and the tours that they're no longer allowed to offer because of their conjecture or how they were positioning the university's history to prospective students and their parents. Now anti-Semitism? I mean, that's not new. Anti-Semitism wasn't there when I was there. No, I don't mean it's that old.

I just mean that we've been hearing about this for quite a while. Neil Williamson, President of the Free Enterprise Forum. For what it's worth, Commonwealth is a term used by four of the 50 states in the US of A. And their full official long-form state names, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and Virginia are Commonwealths.

And he also highlights, for what it's worth, every Board of Visitors majority represents the current governor by the governor's third year or his or her term. The governor's predecessor's appointments has the majority the first two years of the new governor's terms. He's right. We have seen Youngkin's appointments, 13 on the board now, having significant influence of late. Now, here's the really tough question to ask, because for all accounts, he's a very nice

and likeable guy. How does this impact Jim Ryan? All this is happening under his presidency. All of it. In a very short period of time. Are the Yonkin appointments, 13 on the BOV, going to basically listen to the last five minutes of the I Love Seville show and say, all this has happened while you've been the president. What is going on here? I mean, if they haven't been asking that yet, then I would guess that they are more aligned with Ryan than we know. Or do they need the proof of performance to make the strategic behind the scenes maneuvering.

This is, this is, this is, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but is this a coordinated effort for a bigger pictured agenda? I sincerely am asking that question. It feels to me more like there's just a lot of buck passing going on. Somebody created a phony resignation letter for the dean of the medical school and a phony resignation video for the dean of the medical school. That was so true to form that the interim provost in the interim head of the health system had to issue a statement to media saying this is fake. Well, yeah. Wouldn't they anyways, no matter how true to form it is?

Would they? Somebody's got to. And why hasn't Kimi offered comments? She's probably told not to. Keep your head down. Unbelievable. This is a Netflix documentary. This is some of the most tumultuous 24 to 36 months that I have seen a university have in an extremely long period of time. Yeah. Absolutely unbelievable. Let us know your thoughts.

And it puts the rest of the news that we're going to talk about in perspective, like the city funding a low barrier shelter at the Salvation Army site on Cherry Avenue. Is it fair that Fifeville is going to have the two shelters, Judah? That's a good question. at the Salvation Army site on Cherry Avenue. Is it fair that Fifeville is gonna have the two shelters, Judah? That's a good question.

Is it fair to Fifeville residents? Is it fair that this is next to a park? Is it fair that this is next to a playground as you're rotating lower thirds on screen? Is it fair that this is in a historically marginalized neighborhood? The low barrier shelter is not, you know, whether you're honest with yourself or not,

I want to ask you this question. Would you want a low barrier shelter that offers shelter to convicted sex offenders, including sex offenders that have convicted, been convicted to of child sex crimes. Potentially. Drug addicts, alcoholics, and others with criminal history. A lax checking of IDs and licenses at the door. That's what low shelter is. That's what a low barrier shelter is. Would you want that next to your house?

I mean I think it's fairly safe to say that nobody in this city is going to be a Yimbi in this regard. This is not about Yimbi or Nimbi. I know. Right, I agree with you. This is about the safety of where you live. But that being said. And now both shelters are in Fifeville.

That being said, where do you find a place in Charlottesville that's not a neighborhood? It's a great question. I mean, it's got to go somewhere. That's not me saying that it should be in Fifeville. That's just saying that no matter where you put it, somebody is going to be angry. Some people have made some wonderful points

about the fact that we're just kind of going for this, this building because the Salvation Army offered it when we could be building one somewhere. There's also the question of who's gonna run it because. They still don't have an operator. The city's saying it's gonna fund it, but they don't have an operator. And yeah, and when it was originally stated

that it could be used, they did not realize that the Salvation Army does not permit their Salvation Army locals to run something like this. So it would need other work. Then other people have brought up the fact that this was a, this was, is a resource as a, as a place for buying, you know, secondhand clothing. If this goes, it's not just a matter of bringing in people that the neighborhood doesn't want around their kids at a park, it's also a matter of losing that resource. UVA, or excuse me, the city will offer the Salvation Army, if this moves forward as a

low barrier shelter, a check to help the Salvation Army offset the loss in revenue from operating a thrift store. Yeah. And it said that and and and City Manager Sam Sanders's report. But that doesn't help anybody that actually wanted to use the thrift store. But I'm torn on this and here's why I'm torn on this and then Carol Thorpe will get to your comments here. I'm torn on this because I think this low barrier shelter on Cherry Avenue in

the Salvation Army location will help the downtown mall tremendously. Oh, yeah. Because I think a large population of downtown's houseless population is going to end up on Cherry Avenue at this low barrier shelter. I very much believe that. And it's on a bus line. It's still in the city is within walking distance of a lot of important

destinations for the houseless population. But I think it's important to highlight the following. Point number one, there's going to be two shelters in the Fifefield neighborhood. Is that fair to the Fifefield neighborhood? Point number two, there's gonna be two shelters in the Fifefield neighborhood, which is historically black and historically marginalized.

Point number three that we need to consider, if you lived in the Fifeville or Prospect neighborhoods, would you want a low barrier shelter that offers shelter to folks that have been potentially convicted of sex crimes, child sex crimes, and other criminal behavior, alcoholics and drug addicts, folks that may not have licenses or identifications on their person. Would you want this type of shelter next to where you are sleeping, your wife is sleeping, your husband is sleeping, your parents are sleeping, or your children are sleeping.

And that's a big point. And folks saying, I don't want this shelter next to my house or my neighborhood, that doesn't make those people less of people. That doesn't make those folks not in my backyards or NIMBYs. That doesn't mean those people lack empathy. It just means that those people are concerned about their safety and their children's safety.

And every parent that's a fit parent or a caring parent or a competent parent should be concerned about their children's safety and what offering shelter to dozens if not nearly 100 people next to their house could jeopardize safety, would do from a safety jeopardization, and that's just being a reasonable parent inhuman.

Now, it's important to emphasize this, there is still no operator for the shelter. It's also not built. And it's also, it is built, they have the building there. It's just needs to be outfitted. The inside needs to be...granted there's going to be remodeling costs and a runway for remodeling. But I want you to understand this. In this stretch of Cherry Avenue, we're having a grocery store chatted about, speculated about, talked about, crystal balled.

Right now a co-op of neighborhood residents is going to be the operator of the grocery store. We'll see if that materializes. And that's going to happen right across the street, this co-op grocery store that somehow is going to sell healthy foods and quality beef and meat and fresh vegetables and produce and fruit at reasonable prices. I don't see how that's going to happen. That's going to happen across the street from a city funded low barrier shelter where some of the most purgatory residing residents

would seek refuge. You think purgatory residing residents is offering them too much empathy? I'm not sure what it means. Residents that have criminal history, would you say that's not purgatory? No. You would say that's more southward on the afterlife spectrum? I'm not sure why we're talking about the after life. Should I just call them criminals?

If you want to, I just didn't know what you meant by. Who are the folks that are gonna seek refuge in the low barrier shelter? I mean, some of them may be, some of them may be, have been accused of sexual assault, others just don't have IDs. I mean, there's gonna be a fairly broad cross-section, I would imagine.

Would you see the folks that would be seeking shelter in the low barrier? What were their commonalities that are different from the high barrier shelter participants? I mean- Criminal history, addiction, drugs and alcohol, and identification on their person. IDs on their person, licenses. That's the difference. More likely men.

It's wild to me. It's wild how Cherry Avenue is being reimagined in real time right before us. It's wild to me. Absolutely wild. And is it for the best? Is it sincerely for the best? It's impossible to say. Carol Thorpe of Jack Jewett District.

And yet with all the scandals that you talk about and listed at the University of Virginia, applications have been breaking the previous year's record year after year. It's not affecting enrollment. So does anyone truly care? It's a great question. We got some enrollment numbers that just came out. The University of Virginia is going to maintain undergraduate enrollment at the same level, Sean Tubbs reports, for the next seven years, seven years at around 17,000 undergraduate

students. However, the University of Virginia has highlighted that it will increase graduate school enrollment. Jude, if you had a ballpark right now, how many undergraduate students and graduate students were at the University of Virginia in 2024? What would your ballpark be? Undergraduate UVA students and graduate UVA students, what would you ballpark that at?

I don't know. It's a great trivia question. I have an exact number for the viewers and listeners, but I'm just looking for a ballpark for you. I guess 50,000. Okay, that's nowhere close to the ballpark. Not even, I have no idea. Undergraduate students at UVA in 2024, 17,469. Graduate students at the University

of Virginia in the fall of 2024, 4,957, a total of 22,426. 22,426. By 2031, graduate students will increase to 5,400. So they're basically going to add about 450 graduate students by 2031, but they're saying as of now, UVA, that undergraduate students will stay the same around 17,469. So if you were at your cocktail party this weekend, we got a cocktail party.

If you're at a cocktail party this weekend and someone asked you or you asked them how many undergraduate students are at UVA in the fall of 2024, you can say 17,469. How many graduate students in the fall of 2024, 4,957. How many total students at the University of Virginia in the fall of 2024, 22,426. Ladies and gentlemen. All right, a couple other items out of the notebook. Mudhouse on 10th Street closes next to Guadj heroes? Possibly.

No, it's closed. Are you sure? Yeah, it's closed. It's closed. What do you make of this story? Do you chalk this story up to no parking? Is that what you chalk this up? Do you chalk this story up to the neighborhood business

that's gonna get walkability and bikeability does not have enough customer demand to survive. Mutt House is an established local brand and it is closed on Temp Street next to Guajeros, next to where Peloton Station used to be. Is this purely a parking play or lack thereof? It's tough to say. Very well could be. But we don't have any clues from the business. I chalk it up to parking.

I chalk it up to parking. I chalk it up to parking. I chalk it up to parking. I chalk it up to this fantasy that we live in that it's gonna be this neighborhood shop where people can walk to it and they can bike to it and they can meet after having their breakfast or having a after church or after work. I just find it a fairy tale. We are still in a car dominant

and car centric Charlottesville. And you look at what Shannon Worrell has built on Temp Street and I applaud her. The penthouses are great, those apartments she's built, the well room is awesome, the Peloton station Guajiro's layout was beautiful It was sexy. It was just great, but look at everything that's gone out of business over there Wasn't that where the was that where Bauer Bird was the bakery?

Hmm is that where that was? Do you know I don't know let's see if I can do a quick Google search. That was where Bauer Bird Bake Shop was. Mud House now closes. One of my favorite places ever. Peloton closed. I used to go into Peloton, my cheers. And I'd see Devin Barchowatski drinking cold beers at the bar.

Curtis behind the bar, both little people I knew watching the game, Eddie was there, Nick was there, Mike was there, it closed, what nothing but love for Harvey and his brothers at Guajeros, I hope they crush it, great food, but you've had some turnover here folks. Do you just chalk this up to parking,. Do you just chalk this up to parking? And if you do chalk this up to parking, is that a head win for the new zoning ordinance

and all these folks that say we need to get businesses and neighborhoods? The foot traffic will support it. Question for the viewer and listener. Two other items I want to get out of the notebook. First I want to highlight that there's no show tomorrow. UVA basketball plays at 12 p.m. against Georgia Tech in the ACC tournament. No show tomorrow. We are back in the saddle on Thursday, where we're gonna interview the founder of Coco's Adventure Factory, coming to Seminole Square Shopping Center in early 2026. 34,000 square feet of trampolines, rope courses, bumper cars, Lines, Ninja Warrior Course, a drop tower, LED slides, birthday party rooms

for renting, an arcade, a ball pits, and a parents lounge, cafe. Dr. Daniel Halpert will join us on Thursday in studio. I want to highlight the fact that Carla Williams, the Athletic Director of Virginia, wrote a letter to alumni and donors saying, we're going to hire a basketball coach by the end of the spring portal period. The portal period opens on March 24th. There is never a lack of content in this town. It's something in the water in this town, especially of the University of Virginia of late. Anything you want to close with Judah Wickauer? Enjoy the incredibly nice weather we're currently feeling.

I can't wait to get outside. There you go. I second that. Juhwickauer, Jerry Miller, the Tuesday edition of the show. Thank you..