The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Nicole Kuhl Joined Nate Kibler Live On “The White Mountain Ministries Show”

Episode Date: February 18, 2025

Nicole Kuhl of Nicole Kuhl Coaching joined Nate Kibler live on The White Mountain Ministries Show! The White Mountain Ministries Show airs live Tuesday from 2:30 pm – 3:15 pm on The I Love CVille Network. Watch and listen to The White Mountain Ministries Show on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, iTunes, Apple Podcast, YouTube, Spotify, Fountain, Amazon Music, Audible and iLoveCVille.com.

Thank you. Welcome to the White Mountain Ministry Show. I am your host, Nate Kibler. I thank you for watching, for praying, for listening, and for being a part of what the Lord is going to do through this show today. Hey, Sandy, this ain't church, y'all. It is all about the kingdom of God, and we are excited. I had to wake Sandy up over there, right, Nicole?

We have guests in the studio today watching with us. We have an audience, which I love that. So our guest, Nicole, is going to be joining us live. She is live in studio. So guys, we just thank you for being with us. It is going to be all about the kingdom of God. We're going to be talking about the seer realm, the heavenly realms, the glory realms. And only Holy Spirit really knows what's going to happen on this show today.

So we are excited. I want to just ask everybody to please share the show today. That's how people are watching all around the world. Nicole, even you can actually go to my Facebook right now and share before we bring you on live so that all of your friends and people that you love can see you today and all that you are going to bless our audience with. So I also want to thank our partner and sponsor with Melanie Morris and Opening Doors Real Estate. They just have their new location. Got the sign up last week at the corner of Albemarle and Green County by Dunkin' Donuts. We love you, Melanie and David. So thank you guys for being a part of this ministry. So I want to share just a quick word of the week before we bring Nicole on, just some things that are on my heart. And a lot of you guys who know me that have seen

me preach, that have watched me on the show over the last year, I'm a coach at heart. I love to encourage, I love to motivate, I love to inspire, but you also know that I am not afraid to say the tough things. And so I'm going to say something that's on my heart just for a couple of minutes, but you know, it was interesting because the posture of our hearts matter so much. And so many times we may know we have an agenda, but there are other times that we have an agenda that we don't even know we have, but God sees it. And so it's interesting because recently there was something going on and I thought that it was going to be like a breakthrough, like a catapult even of the show or the ministry. And it's interesting because the way we think is not

always the way that God thinks. And he started showing me after a couple of days that that's not really what it was about. It was actually an assignment, and it was a tough assignment. And for about two days, I was kind of sad about that. And that ought to show you something in itself right there, right? Because in some ways, I was making it about me. I might have had an agenda that I didn't even realize was there. And so I do believe that I was able to carry out this assignment. It was a challenging assignment, but it's interesting because maybe the ministry will have a breakthrough, but it's interesting because maybe the ministry will have a breakthrough, but it didn't look the way I thought it was going to, and that's okay. It's about being obedient to God. It's about listening to his voice and doing what he's calling us to do,

whether we're comfortable, whether we like it or not, he will call us to do it. So I just have this little word. It's just very much on my heart, and I'm going to read it. A lot of you guys know I don't even often read, but I'm going to read today. I wrote this down. So discerning of spirits, agendas, and deception. And, you know, maybe one of the – it's all in my heart right now with having Nicole on here about the seer realm, about being able to see things before they happen, about having the eyes to see. So this is what I wrote. Discerning of spirits,

agendas, and deception will be one of the greatest assets and gifts moving forward. So few have the spiritual eyes to see. So I just encourage to take this up with the Lord, spend intimate time with him and seek it because what's coming down the pipe could be much harder to discern than simple deceptions that have happened in the past. Even four years ago was one of the greatest deceptions the world has ever seen. Nearly 80% of people across the planet took the bait. There have been huge ramifications from millions of people. And many would say they were forced, but that's just simply not true. And this is very similar to what happened with Adam and Eve. And they were deceived and then blamed it on others for their own choices. Eve blamed it on the serpent, Adam blamed it on Eve. But the reality is they made their own choices with consequences to those choices. The serpent did not have the

ability to shove that fruit down their throat. And the same is true four years ago. Many would say, my spouse made me do it. My mom made me do it. But the reality is we make a choice. And this week to me, it's just funny because it's been such an example of how easily good people can be deceived, guys. I'm not saying this to guilt or shame. I'm just saying this to think, to have an opportunity to wake up. Because, you know, it's like we hear three days ago that we're going to have 24 inches of snow tomorrow. And some guy up in New Jersey, some woman, I'm not exactly sure, decided they maybe wanted to make a name for themselves, get a bunch of likes and shares and act like Virginia is going to get 24 inches, two feet of snow. And as soon as I saw this, I immediately knew it was nonsense. I could just sense that this was not

accurate. But what happens, it ends up getting shared all across social media. Everyone I see in town is talking about how we're going to get two feet of snow. It entices fear and paranoia, but it's complete deception. And I've just learned over the years to believe about half of what I hear and even less of what I see with my natural eyes. And we must just stop getting our intel from reliable worldly sources and start going to heavenly sources and the ultimate source himself, the Holy Spirit, because he will show you truth with all things. And just please know that you are not Job. You could not be even if you wanted to because the spirit of God is living on the inside of you and you have the dominion on the earth.

So start using it. So anyways, that's my little word for today. Get things rolling. So Judah, let's go ahead and welcome Nicole, because I'm really excited for what she has to share today. Let me know when we can see her. Hello, Nicole. You're alive.

Thank you so much for being here. It's such a pleasure being here, my goodness. Yeah, you look fantastic. I said I'd down dress today, but you are ready to roll and quite lovely and a very soothing voice. And we can feel the presence of God in the studio. So we're really excited for what the Lord's going to do through you today. Oh, I love that. So I always like to say when we start the show, because you are our kingdom

connection today and we got connected. We have not known each other that long, but we were actually introduced through a good mutual friend, Brian Hume. Yes. And so you have known Brian for many years. My goodness, 25 years. Wow. Yeah. And so a lot longer than. And so you have known Brian for many years. My goodness, 25 years. Wow. Yeah. And so a lot longer than me, I've probably known Brian for maybe about three years, but yeah, so we were, I was talking to him and he just had on his heart to have some people that he felt like would be able to be a blessing for the show. And as soon as like he gave me the list, I looked at you and I just knew right away that you were someone that was supposed to be on the show. So I reached out to you and I just knew right away that you were someone that was supposed to be on the show.

So I reached out to you and we had probably an hour conversation on a Zoom call. And I just felt like it was an immediate connection in the spirit. And we just talked about beautiful things and encounters and testimonies and just the things that God's doing. And so we're honored again to have you. So I don't know if you want to touch base on that convo or let's just get rolling. Let's just get rolling. Let's just get rolling. Okay. So this show has really become an international show, which was never my intent, but we do have people from India and Canada and Nigeria and in different places I can't even think of, but you are originally from South Africa. I love the accent. I see you did not get converted to the Richmond twang. Well, my kids will say, Mom, whenever I start talking to South African, they say, Mom,

talk American, please, when they don't understand me. So I get reminded every now and again, you're talking to African, Mom. But I'm the real African American. So I'm an American citizen. But yes, I was born and raised in Johannesburg, South Africa, in the right in the middle of the apartheid region. In fact, I came to America the year or two years after our first democratic elections. Wow. So it was definitely so much progress and every time I'd go back to visit, there'd be shifts and changes that were not there when I was there.

Um, but do you want to, do you want me to share a little bit? Yeah, of course. Absolutely. So I was not born to get to know you. Great. I was not born into a Christian home. So culturally, my dad was sort of Dutch Reformed, but we never spoke about God in the home. I certainly didn't see any fruit of Christianity, and I missed. Having said that, I had a great mom and dad. They loved me. I have two brothers. It was amazing. They never compared us, which is maybe why I have such a anchor in my soul about just no comparison, no competitiveness, no comparison. You have permission to be your beautiful, powerful self.

But yes, raised in this non-believing home, but yet having the gift of profit and of seer. Did you know that from a young age? Heck no. You did not? No, because how would I know it? So basically I would have- I didn't know if maybe you were seeing things or-

Oh, I was completely seeing things. You were, okay. Absolutely. So as a child, things would open up, spirit realm would open up at night. It was always during the night. So unfortunately it was very, a lot of terror, a lot of night harassment and things like that. And every time I'd, I remember running into my parents' room and just being scared of everything at night. And my parents saying, it's not real, you're just imagining things, you're just, you know, all of this.

I remember not wanting to go to the restroom at night because something would chase me down the passageway that I could see. So it's not just the fear of, oh, I'm in water, there could be a shark and you're in a swimming pool, that kind of fear. It was, you can see this thing coming up, I can tell you what it looked like, I can tell you. And yet my parents are telling me, it's not real, you're just imagining things. So that was kind of the whole, almost like to bring myself comfort. It was like, okay, this is not real, I'm just imagining things. Can I feed my classic line that goes right into that before you keep going? We like to teach our kids that the boogeyman's not real,

but what we need to really be teaching our kids is how to cast the boogeyman out. That is exactly right. I have said that to so many parents. When you have a child that is a seer, they will tell you, I'm seeing things in my bedroom. And instead of dismissing that, it's teaching them to have authority. We have been given authority in Christ. And I just want to say that there's no junior Holy Spirit. If anything, our kids will walk in great power if we just release them.

Amen. Because as adults, we come into... You're getting hit by the Holy Spirit right now. Yeah, we come into mindsets, and we come into wrong thinking patterns and behaviors. And then we also, we get hit with this diminishing spirit of fear. Because fear is a diminisher. It'll make you small.

And it's like when kids are taught, you don't have to fear that thing. You have, it's more scared of you than you are of it. And as soon as you speak to it and come to it in the name of Jesus, like, it will flee. Like, it's amazing when we empower our children how powerful they really are. And so I can remember being, you know, in my bedroom seeing things. And for me, it would also manifest physically. So things would touch me and grab me. And just the whole realm was alive. So can I ask you a question on that?

So is that because, you know, the things you were seeing, was that because of, like, what was going on in your home? Or is that more the demonic realm just knew that you could see them and they were trying to harass you like do you do you know you have a revelation on that that's a great question my home was not very tumultuous so it wasn't like i was raised in a home with a lot of you know brokenness or so i wouldn't say it was necessarily my home although having said that my father had opened doors to witchcraft when he was younger he would play with a ouija board and he would see some so there were doors open so i can i can see that mom was raised in a home that just didn't believe in god so very agnostic very intellectual you know

her family was all very high educated and so it was was totally two different peoples coming together, where the one is my dad is very open. In fact, to this day, dad is a beautiful believer. He got saved about 18 years ago, came to the Lord, and he is just day and night different to the man that I was raised with. He's just so beautiful. And my mom, again, very good mom, beautiful mom, but still to this day a pre-believer.

So not yet saved. I love that term, pre-believer. I'm going to have to take that one. And not yet saved, but very emotionally. And we talk about, because we're made of body, spirit, soul. And so we are a speaking spirit. We have a soul. We're made of body, spirit, soul. And so we are a speaking spirit. We have a soul. We live in a body.

And so in both my parents, for unsaved and saved, those gifts, they're in there. They won't be revoked. So whether you're walking with the Lord or not, those things are going to come through. So for example, my mother, incredible gift of discernment. She is a seer, but not saved. So she'll come to me and say, I had this dream, what do you think it meant? And that is actually what brought us, what helped us start to have spiritual conversations was the Lord would give her dreams. And we would start to talk about the dreams and I'd start to interpret the dreams

for her and I mean she's had some powerful dreams I'm talking like my little brother's in New Zealand she was talking about him and she said she once had this dream this this mangy looking lion was after him but this big white lion came and ate the mangy looking lion she couldn't get to him she was so fearful but this big white lion came and started licking his wounds. And she's like, what do you think this means? So it's not even like, oh, let me think about this. It's just like, oh, my goodness, Mom.

But yes, so raised in this home, didn't believe. So you were seeing things, and you were being tormented. Seeing things and not realizing that my older brother, who's two years older than me, is going through the same thing. And he's seeing them also. So he's seeing things we don't realize. In fact, do you know that only... So y'all never talked about it.

We never spoke about it until a year ago. Are you serious? Where him and I were sitting... As in one year ago from now? As in 2024, we were sitting around with both my parents in the room and we started talking and I said, you know, I don't know if you guys have realized this, but I used to have all these, because I've been doing interviews and I figured they'd probably seen some. And I said, but I'd had so many experiences

in the spirit and my, and I said, do you remember speaking to my mom and dad? Do you remember when I used to come lie at your bed at night, always on the floor at night because I was so scared. And my mom was like, I kind of remember that. And, you know, it was crazy to me how it was like. And that's the thing is when something, when that veil is over you and you cannot see what's taking place versus when you're in tune to something and you know it's like your whole spiritual experience is like, oh, I get that, right? She is still, she didn't see it, but my brother in that moment said,

oh, I understand every word you're saying. He said the same thing used to happen to me, and both of us, it's like, really? Wow. So has he learned how to steward it? Oh, yeah. He's a powerful preacher. He is a five-fold revelatory teacher. He is a five-fold teacher. He's amazing.

But so I get saved. I start to learn about my authority in Christ. And one night, so straight after I get saved, I was getting my postgrad in education. And then after that, God says, I want you to do this program called Year of Your Life. In other words, be the guinea pig of the church, do everything they want you to do, and don't get paid for it. And so I was like, okay, I'll do this. And so in that year, one of my friends that I'd met on campus, she came to spend the night with me. We're in my bedroom, and I forget that she's there in the middle of the night. And as normal, I wake up and I see things moving around my room and doing funny things. But now I'm starting to learn about my authority.

So even though I'm still scared, I'm like, in Jesus' name, stop. And then I put the covers over my head and just hope that it goes away. And when you did it like that, it probably didn't leave, right? Oh, it totally left. It left even when you had the fear? It left with me being scared anyway. Wow. That's the thing. That's what you teach kids. It is more scared of you than you are of it. It's like there's power

in the name. Use the name. And so I'm there. I yell out the name, put the covers over my head, go to sleep. And the next morning, my friend says, Nikki, what did you see when you were yelling at it and that shame of i probably just imagined it you know that all that thing that my the self-talk that my parents taught me you're imagining things this is just in your imagination and i i kept quiet and she said because that that previous night i'd seen big red balls flying around my room and she said because i saw big red balls flying around your room wow and it was the first time i was 19 years old that somebody had ever validated that what i was seeing was real wow so good

now that's fascinating because i already had on my heart to share a story about my son because we're talking about teaching our kids the authority that they have in Christ. And the story that what you're saying about the red balls. So this is about maybe like a year and a half ago now. I think my son was eight at the time and Heidi Baker came to speak at a local church here in Charlottesville. I don't know if you remember when Heidi Baker came. But my son is also a seer. And so that night he came with me and my wife. And I remember asking him afterwards, I'm like, Kai, did you see anything? And he said, oh, yeah. And I said, well, what did you see?

He said there were these black balls jumping around on people. And they tried to come towards me and my response was okay well you know either just ignore it or just rebuke it and tell it to go in Jesus name he said that's not what I did daddy I said well what did I do he said I took the black balls and put them in my hands and I threw them out the building. And then the angels came and started doing the same. Beautiful, right? Yes. I mean, childlike faith, but just knowing the authority that you have in Christ, how simple that can be. Yes. But so beautiful for him to not be afraid. Yes. You're right.

Being raised to have no fear. That's beautiful. But this is why, you know, and I don't have all the answers to this, but especially as believers in the church, like we have no idea the power and authority we have that we carry. We don't even know that these spiritual things many times are real and that they're all around us. So if we don't know them as parents, like, but the reason not for us to take any credit, but we have taught him since he was young about the kingdom of God. We're going to have some fun talks today. He actually came to me, uh, when, uh, three days after I was radically

delivered and, um, uh, you know, there was still stuff going on in our house and I was a baby in the Lord. And my wife said, come here. I think my son would just turn three years old. And she said, look at this. And she said, is that a rash? I said, it was on the back of his leg. I said, that does not look like a rash. I said, that looks like a bite. He could barely talk at the time. He was always scared of this closet in our bedroom. He always wanted it closed. He went into the closet. He pointed, he said, daddy, mean came out, bit me, me being a newborn believer. I had no idea what I was doing, but kind of what you talked about. I went in, I picked up my Bible. I started reading scriptures, casting it out in Jesus name. And my son walks into closet. He said, thanks daddy.

They're gone. And he never one time after that day was scared of that closet i believe it that's part of part of the teaching for all of us you know that's right and listening to them not just thinking it's their imagination so so i have three kids and they're all pretty prophetic but my middle one he's the he's he's very prophetic and um he's also the one, he's very prophetic. And he's also the seer, he's the artist, the sort of entrepreneur. But he went through a phase of being extremely fearful of sleep because he was so tormented and harassed. And so it was probably like, I think about two or three weeks with him that we waged war on that spirit

of torment and fear and really had to put in him the tools, the keys of the kingdom. And so teaching him- How old was he at that time? I think he was about five or six. So he was young. He was very young. And he would literally like, I don't want to go to sleep because I don't want to. You know, he was so much bound in fear. And so, you know, the word, it's like perfect love casts out fear.

And so when you wake up and you feel that fear over you, raise up your hands, see where Jesus is, and ask Jesus, Jesus, will you fill my heart with love? Because perfect love casts out fear. And then I can say in the name of Jesus, spirit of fear, get out of here. And so it's like helping him to receive love that displaces fear and then using that authority. You know, even that was such a key for him. But my whole family are dreamers.

So I remember when my six-year-old came to my bed and woke me up at four o'clock in the morning. And he was like, mom, I've had the most awful dream. And I'm like, my ears are, you know, perked. And basically he said, I saw this huge dragon come and I was outside my house. And he said, the dragon ran after me, swallowed me up. He said, I ran to the house, but before I could get to the house, swallowed me up and he spat me out into the water. And then he said, mom, I looked back from the water and he said, the roads looked like this. And so the next day I knew, I was like, this is, this is a call to intercession. So I called my spiritual mom. She's in Africa.

And I was like, Connie, this is what, you know, and she said, okay, I'm going to call my intercessors. And the next day was the Japanese. It was a Japanese tsunami where when you looked at pictures, because I took pictures on the internet, and I said, Josh, is this what it looked like? And he was like, Mom, that's exactly what it looked like. And the roads had looked's exactly what it looked like and the roads had looked like this and i mean the dragon is a symbol for japan and so when i spoke to you know my my

spiritual mom she was like oh i thought we had more time i didn't realize it was going to be you know as quickly as it was so it's us being able to listen to what god tells our children in the spirit and taking them seriously. Not a game. Yeah, exactly. So to some who may watch this show and be like, these guys are just fruitcakes, because this is not necessarily normal talk, unfortunately, for all believers, right?

I know it could be, but why don't you just talk a little more about the supernatural world. Talk about the kingdom of God and just the supernatural world that's going on around us. So, you know, everybody, whether you can see it or not, the supernatural and spiritual exists. So, again, we're speaking spirits, and that's everybody. And the way we're wired, it's almost like I can see um like an octopus in a sense you know in our in our spiritual wiring we have eyes on the back of our heads we have you know there's we there are we can feel we can sense we pick up it just like our our physical senses every physical sense that

we have is really related to a spiritual sense so just like you have eyes in the natural, there's eyes in the spirit. When you have smell, you can sense things, that sensory realm. I can walk into a space. And here's the thing is, it's not just for me. The purpose of God creating someone like me is to train the saints for the work of ministry. So I'm literally just unlocking your eyes and showing you how you're created. And the more aware you become of it and start to learn to flow in it, it's like the greater you are released to do whatever you're called to do. That unseen world around us is even more real than the world we're walking in here. Yeah, totally. So if you're a judge and you are, and somebody, you're behind the bench and somebody walks in, you are called and designed by God to do exactly what you're supposed to do. And so you have the gift of discernment. You can perceive somebody who's coming in and, okay,

this person is totally lying, or this person is telling telling the truth or you can even pick that up in the spirit it's not just about facts and so it's if you're a if you're a scientist you know talking about getting words of knowledge to be able to crack the code of cancer if you are a entrepreneur i don't know if you know the guy who created the the matthews bows um literally the the are you a hunter uh i hunt i don't know if i would call myself a hunter okay so there's this there's this bow called the matthews bows and they are like phenomenal and basically this guy was like god i know you can give me ideas i know that you can give me words of knowledge words a word of knowledge is one of the is one of the nine gifts of the holy spirit

and basically it's god drops this knowledge into your spirit that you cannot know by the natural. And so this guy went to sleep, and he had a dream. He had a word of knowledge in a dream. And in the dream, this picture video started unfolding in front of him. And it was this one part on the bow that he was trying to create that he couldn't ever get right. He was like, I know this is supposed to be some of this, but I don't know how to do it. Well, God drops this word of knowledge in a dream, wakes up, and he's like, I know exactly what to do. He basically creates this bow, and it becomes this multi, multi, multimillion-dollar company. million dollar company and he is amazingly um you know kingdom supporter loves the lord and goes around tells his story like god gave me this as a word of knowledge and so it's like we are supposed

to use our gifts in very natural ways like we have so in in an old religious structure, we have so separated natural from spiritual, and we don't understand how interwoven and everyday they affect each other, they relate to each other. And so for us to become powerful kingdom people, it's like the earth cries out for the sons of God to be made manifest. How are we going to manifest? Well, Christians, many times, we're like the least spiritual people on the planet.

It's not supposed to be that way. We dumb ourselves down. Yes. We're not supposed to dumb ourselves down. Of course we're not. So it's like you say, how are we made? We're created to be powerful spiritual beings. Yes, we are. We're made in the image of our Father. One time when I started walking in the kingdom, I remember, you know, because it all happened so fast for me.

I would be literally walking down the streets of Charlottesville, and it was like there was this whole world around me. I never knew existed, but it was everywhere. And it was like, not to say that this world isn't real, but it really, to me, became like the matrix. And I remember one time somebody told me, they're like, Nate, there's all these spiritual beings around everywhere. The only reason that we can see each other is because we have a flesh.

So I don't know. That was really simple for me. It's like they're here. They might not have a flesh, so maybe our natural eyes don't see them. You can touch on that. I can see you've got something you want to say about that. Well, it's just actually my friend and I, Sandy, were talking on the way here. There's so many, in particular men, that are more business-minded, logical.

And it's funny because I do coaching, and so sometimes couples will come see me. Tell us about it really quick. Tell us about your coaching. Um, so it's, it's transformational leadership, but so many times leaders, like they may have these amazingly successful companies, but yet they're, they're just missing something on the relational front or their marriage is in a bit of disarray. Sometimes even their kids and they'll bring like i love it when whole families come in because i kind of get the nuances of the lack of communication and they're saying one thing that they're trying to hear each other here but

meanwhile the currents of communication you know the the unspoken needs or hurts or whatever so it's like god really uses me to heal generations. But, um, sorry, y'all were talking on the way here, Sandy, about, I guess, the spiritual world. I was talking about seeing, uh, oh, men. Yeah. You're talking about, that's right. And so many men, especially in Sandy's over there laughing, bless you in the entrepreneurial, they're strong. It was amazing. You're only allowed to say good things about men. It was amazing. Because they're entrepreneurial and they're leaders. They're deep thinkers and everything.

And they don't think they're as spiritual as their wives. Yeah, you're right. They think that their wives, because their wives are maybe more intuitive and picking up things more in the spirit. And so they tend to be like, well, I'm not as spiritual as her. And I always, it's like I challenge them because, like, if you know how God designed you, for example, when you're in that business meeting and you get that gut level feel of, this person is not good.

I'm not to do a deal with this person. Or I can really, I have peace on this and I can't even explain and I don't even have the facts to back it up, but I have peace about it and we're going to do this. You know, it's like those people, those leaders that are knowers. I just know this is the right thing and I have no idea how to even tell you how I know. That's how I operate. Yeah. As a knower. The knower. I don't know. I just know, well, it's God. For most of my life until I knew it was a gift, my parents called it my spidey sense because I would know things before they happened about people. Like I didn't know how, I just, I didn't know it was from God. I just knew it was me. Yeah. And then I learned how to steward it

once I realized it was a gift. That's exactly right. And so being able to say to these men, actually, you're very spiritual. You just haven't realized how God speaks to your spirit. He's given you the word of knowledge. He's given you a spiritual gift of leadership. He's given you discernment. Like sometimes a person will walk in the room and you just know, I don't like this person. Your wife's like, why are you saying that? I don't know. I just don't like them. And then come to find out, you know, all the different layers. So it's, if people could understand how they're wired, they'd actually realize how spiritual they are. And I think the guys that were wired in the natural, guys like me, tough guys, hunters, sports athletes,

weightlifters, whatever you want to call it. We think it's a lie, but we think that being spiritual is synonymous with being soft. Wow. Yeah, that's definitely not true. Well, I say if more guys knew the actual power that was in prayer, we'd be getting off the hunting stands and off the ball fields, and we'd be in the prayer room because the power and authority we carry, I mean, my goodness, it's the opposite of soft.

But I just think that's one of the lies the enemy wants to make men believe is that prayer and spiritual things are soft. Can I challenge you? Sure. They need to stay in the stands, and they need to stay on the football fields because in those places, again, we have separated natural from spiritual. I'm with you.

I get what you're saying. I appreciate you saying that. That's a good point. Because for me, I know that I'm still led to coach my son in the games. Yes. In his sporting. I'm not saying give it up.

I'm just saying incorporate. I should incorporate that into your life for sure. Because it's that separate mindset. The men are like, well, unless I'm in the prayer room, I'm not spiritual. And it's like, no. God wants to speak to you when you're up on that stand. No, you're right.

He wants to download heaven's secrets to you. He wants to give you exactly, God, what do I do about this case? What do I do about, I'm a doctor. What do I do about this child? God, I'm a counselor. What's going to, I don't understand how to fix this, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And it's like when you're having, you know, it's like the earth shows you who God is. And so many times when men are outside, they actually commune with God and they receive what they need for their purpose. Throughout my life, the Lord has spoken to me, even when I was a child, when I didn't believe it on the basketball court, more than almost anywhere else. And I thank you for calling me out. I need more people to call me out like you. Brian said you were tough. He wasn't lying. But, you know, it's interesting because we talk about hunting.

And I grew up in a small town. We have like, you know, our parents own like 150 acres. There's like all these amazing deer. And we've got a two acre fishing pond, but I've never really been into it. But like four years ago, the Lord put it on my heart to go hunting. And, you know, sometimes like I might think, well, that's because the world's coming into an end. I better learn how to shoot deer. And maybe that's part of it.

But what I realized is when I went out there and it was five o'clock in the morning and it was 30 degrees and I couldn't be on my phone and everything else was completely shut down. He was teaching me how to listen. Yes. To him. Yes. Clearer. Yes. And so that's why I was even talking about the beginning of the show.

Like we think God has a reason or a way, but his ways are different. It's like, we think he's trying to teach us this or that. And then we realized, no, no, no, no, no. It's, you know, we were off. So, but anyways, he has taught me some things through hunting. Can I tell you a fun story with hunting? Yeah, of course. So my husband and sons are avid hunters and before hunting season, so there's a book. It's called Hunt by Faith. And it's by Gary Gassi.

And this is what my boys do. So they'll come before the Lord. They'll say, okay, God, I'm going to put seed into the earth. It's my title deed, money. I'm going to sow a seed. And Father, I am trusting you to harvest a deer. And so they say, okay, God, where do you want us to put our seed? And they will sow their seed. We've got many benevolence. We've got missionaries we know all over the country, I mean, the world. And so they'll

sow their seed. And they say, okay, especially my oldest son, my 18-year-old, okay, Mom, pray with me. And so I'm like, Father, i thank you that because we we eat the deer we love the deer and um you know we eat deer too i might not get it myself but our freezer is filled with deer that's exactly right and so a lot of good friends who know how to hunt and so we we pray for favor and my uh this this past time my husband and son went out and they both came back of course there's always stories it's like my husband said well josh and they both came back. Of course, there's always stories. It's like my husband said, well, Josh, I felt like we should go this way. And I felt like, and I think I missed it. And you know, but this past time, Josh said, mom, I just knew that I was supposed to go this way. He goes, I shot that deer. I didn't know where that deer went. And he said, but I asked

Holy Spirit and Holy Spirit. He was like, I just knew it was this. He said, I went down there and about 100 yards down, there was that deer. It was an eight-pointer, and he got his deer. Yeah, that's God. Again, using spirit, we are spiritual beings. The sons and daughters of God will be led by the spirit of God. He leads us in so many different ways. And it's just that winnowing fork inside of us

of being sensitive and learning to sensitize. And unfortunately, in today's world, with so much distraction, the social media, the, you know, just so much distraction, and learning to say no whenever you feel yourself getting dull. Learning to say no to start to come in

and then finally align and tune yourself so that you can be sensitive again. Shut down the noise and listen to the sound. That's right. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, well, it's... Oh, I love it. So,

you knew that you had this gift to see from a very young age. Now, what would you say to people who maybe don't see these things, but believe that they can, that they're called to that? How would you say to step into that? So I had this friend. Her and I were besties from the age of sort of 18 to about 24, 25. And when we first met, she didn't say anything. But she had a profound gift of faith.

So she would just, it was at that knower. And she's like, God's told me this. So she would hear. But she kept on saying, I want to see. I want to see like you do. And I was like, well, let's just pray. Let's keep on praying. And so I am here to say that here we are 20 years later,

and it didn't take that long. But she is a profound seer. And so she just pressed in. And she really was like, God, I want to see. I know that I can see you like this. And so she did. But the other- So when you say she pressed in, though, what- She pressed in. She asked God, God, I want to see. I know that I can see you like this. And so she did. So when you say she pressed in, though. She pressed in.

She asked God, God, I want to see you. And then her and I would sit together and I'd say, okay, so this is what I'm seeing in this space. Did she spend a lot of alone time with the Lord to steward that? Did she do that? Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, she was very, she loved the Lord. She had a very tender heart towards God and an incredible prayer warrior.

So she definitely stewarded and spent time like that. But I will say this, is that there are people who they primary, they just hear, they don't see. And they're hearing and they're people that give to faith. This is what God told me and this is what's going to happen. And they will anchor into that. That is such a gift. Like that boring in. And sometimes I need, I don't say less faith, but sometimes I don't need the faith that they need.

Because they're like, this is what God's told me and I'm bearing in versus I can see it. See, for me, I've been more of, let's call it no or just sense. Like I can walk into a room and feel it on someone. And like even what it is many times, if it's lust or if it's anger or rage or if it's addiction or if it's some kind of other witchcraft. So you're feeling and discerning and picking up. And it used to really mess with me because i'd walk into a room and if it was something really intense it's almost like i was it was like you know i wasn't uh when i didn't know necessarily who i was yeah do you know you know what god told me about that because i remember

being in the mall and being in very public place a lot of people, and feeling very overwhelmed, always overstimulated because of that realm. And I had a mentor, and I'm so thankful, but she told me, Nicole, you are in control of your spiritual spaces. That's right. You do not let other things come into your spiritual space. And she actually taught me how to shut myself down, for lack of a better word, to, she said, when you need to look, unlock and look. But if you don't need to look, she said, it's just like that scripture, the prophecy is subject to the prophet.

All gifts are subject to the person. So she said, even the seeing gift, you don't have to see. At that time, this is when I first got saved, I thought that the more I saw, the more spiritual I was. Right. And she told me, no, you have control over this gift. And so I started to learn, okay, when things are too, no, I need to learn to, you know, shut

these things down so that I can just be normal in a normal space. And then the other thing was, it's funny, you said, I get around you. And the first thing when we sat down, you said, I feel like you're staring into my soul. I definitely don't try to do that. Because in the beginning, I used to think that the more I saw into somebody again the more spiritual I was and God said to me the one day and this is this was a bit shocking to me he said you know well the very blatant words he used was when you do that to somebody and I haven't given you permission to do it he said you're violating right violating. Right. That's good. And he said, I only want you to look when I'm giving you permission to look, because if there's an assignment on it, then

you'll have the power to do something about it else. You're just looking to look and it's soulish. Yeah. That's really good. I have a really, Ooh, me, me. Can I say your testimony? Yes. So a few years back, you know, we had some people coming on my family's property. People like to come because we use it for weddings now, but it's still private property. People like sometimes, you know, they kind of trespass a little bit. We can call it that. And some people were looking into the windows. And I went down there and I just remember thinking, like, you know, just use self-control.

Be kind. Don't. Because the old me, I would have, like, ran them off the property. Like, who do you think you are? Like, you can self-control. Be kind. Don't, because the old me, I would have like ran them off the property. Like, who do you think you are? Like, you can't be here. Yeah. And I just was kind and said, hey, can I help you? And they're like, uh, you know, they knew they weren't supposed to be there, but they weren't doing anything wrong.

Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just, I said, you want to have an opportunity to share the gospel. You know, people that come on your front stuff to sell you something or people that are trespassing on your property are almost always going to listen. So it was a great opportunity. I didn't like really share, but I kind of did because I shared my testimony. I don't even remember, just shared about how, you know, I had an encounter with God and he changed my life. And I left it at that. I didn't even, um, I didn't feel anointed in the moment. I wasn't like looking into their soul or anything. Like I didn't have any words of knowledge and they left. The woman lived two hours away. All I gave her was my first name. She knew I was a pastor in this small

town. She finds me on Facebook and reaches out to me the next day. She said, you know, what the things that you were dealing with, I think you need to pray for my sons. And I said, well, and then the Lord started speaking to me and I said, well, I'd be happy to pray for your sons, but I think that I'm supposed to pray for you. And she said, you're right. I think you're right. And we ended up talking on the phone. And within minutes, that's when the Lord started revealing things.

And she actually told me, she said, I was nervous when I was around you because she said, it was when you were looking at me, it was like you knew everything I had ever done. Yeah, it's like the woman at the well. That's the woman at the well, the scripture. It's like the woman at the well. That's the woman at the well, the scripture. And she was the woman at the well. And I didn't know what was going on, but he was seeking her out. And so she reached out to me and that's when the Lord started speaking. He ended up showing me that she had been molested by her father when she was like 11 or 12 years old. She had not told anybody about her whole life.

And she ended up getting complete freedom over the phone. so i had no idea what i was doing i wasn't looking into her soul but he was yeah so there you go thank you no that's that's beautiful all teaching moments yeah and if i had gone out and ran him off of the property like a banny rooster it would have never happened that's why we have to represent him in all ways, in the character, right? The fruits of the spirit, not just the power. That's right. I guess something else the Lord said is,

to the measure that you can love them, will your gift remain pure? Amen. You're exactly right. In other words, if you look into them and you're going to judge or be critical or have self-righteousness or any of that, he said if you can't see people in their brokenness and weakness

and still not hold out in hope and love, faith, hope, and love, he said the gift is then twisted. So it's like something that I pray, especially before I have meetings or about to meet people. Like, God, give me love. Layer my heart with love so that I can truly let them feel. Because I know that my kids tell me I have an RBF. They're like, Mom.

Sometimes they're like, they say their friends their friends who know me, love me, but their friends who don't know me are scared of me, which. Are you a tough mom? So I, I would think that I am a loving, but no nonsense mom. Yeah. You don't mess around. I don't mess around, but my kids have. Sandy's over there really checking this answer out. So I have a 15, 16, and 18-year-old.

And they are, each of us have a good connection. They'll come home and tell me stories and open up their heart. And whenever they need wisdom or something, hey, mom, what do you think about this? So to me, that speaks of a good connection. But at the same time, I have always said to them that, you know, I'm not your mom. I'm not your friend primarily. I'm your mom. And one day when I stand before the Lord, he's not going to ask me about my friendship with you. You know, he's going to ask me, how did I steward your life before him? So I'm not here to make you happy. I'm here to listen to the Lord and what he's doing in your life, whatever that looks like. So there are many,

many interactions where I'll say, would it be easy for me just to let you do X? Well, yes, exactly. So why am I doing Y? Because you love me, mom. That's right. I love you. Now go and do Y. So yes, I am a bit tough. I love you. Now go and do why. So yes, I am a bit tough. I love that. I mean, there's plenty of scriptures in the Bible. It's important to discipline your children out of love. I believe even discipline is an extension of His love.

Yes. Do you have to think about that? Oh, no, absolutely. I'm just saying, I know if you didn't agree, you'd tell me, which I appreciate. Oh, no. I do think disciplining is love. I mean, even that word discipline in the word is called the word paideia. It's that word discipleship.

It's raising your children up in the fear and the admonition of the Lord. That word is paideia. And it's discipleship so when we do discipline obviously not in anger not in bitterness not in haste that is part of that the clay being molded into looking like christ amen so i was talking at the beginning of the show about discernment and the importance of discernment i think we've been kind of i I guess, talking about that along the show. But so can you just maybe even touch more on the importance of being able to discern and know what's going on around you in the spiritual world?

Sure. Why is that important? Well, first of all, there are different things that can be discerned. So number one is you have to ask yourself, say you walk into a space and you feel something, you're like, is this the Holy Spirit? Is this a demonic spirit? Is this a human spirit?

Because sometimes the human itself can emit something, like if they're feeling anxious or if there's bitterness in them. And so they're emitting this something. So it's light in the room or the atmosphere or is it on the person? That's right. Because if it's a demonic spirit, then it's, okay, do I, depending on the type of meeting, but it's, do I pray under my breath and just tell that thing to go away? Do I address the person and help and pray over them? If it's the Holy Spirit, it's, okay, God, what are you doing in this space? So it's always like when I walk into places and spaces and if I'm seeing something that's different,

but if I'm perceiving something, then I'm like, oh, is this? So I give this example. One time I walked into a church, it was a woman's meeting, and I felt a tremendous spurt of rejection hit me. And I know enough to know I'm not a person who typically deals with rejection. So as I sat there, I'm like, I sat and I started looking around and I could see all these other people, these other women who were feeling rejected. And I was there, I'm like, I sat and I started looking around and I could see all these other people. These are the women who were feeling rejected. And I was like, God, this is a demonic strategy in the spirit to cause all these women to feel alone, rejected, and not belong. And so immediately I turned around.

And in my breath, I was like, in the name of Jesus, I take authority over spirit of rejection, and it was really connected to religious. It was a religious spirit, like partnering up with a spirit of rejection, so I took authority over that, and then I said, okay, God, so I'm now going to come in the opposite spirit, and so I started going to everyone in that room that looked like they had been hit by this thing, and I was like, it's so good to see you. I love that you're here.

Meanwhile, I was a visitor in the church as well. But I was like, I love that you're here. Come on in. Do you want to sit together? And it's just like, how do we deal with things in the atmosphere when we do pick them up? So it is asking, all right, is this demonic? But even in worship, Nate, we can be worshiping,

and I will often ask God, God, what are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing in the room? What is your purpose? Okay, so this song, then you see God is releasing healing, or God is releasing deliverance, or God is wanting to heal generations. And then, God, all I do is I agree.

I stand in agreement. I agree for you. God, yes, all I do is I agree. I stand in agreement. I agree for you. God, yes, you're releasing deliverance. You're releasing healing. And it's just when we come into agreement with the Spirit of God, like he is looking for the agreement anchor to break open. So he comes in, and then as we, I always say, if somebody's praying for something and I know, I'm like, I want that.

Yes, that's mine it's like our words lock in to these things and it's like we grab them from unseen and release them in the natural so as far as your question was how how important is discernment the biggest thing for you would be to become aware yeah so it's it's like asking yourself, okay, how can I become more aware? Is it when I walk into rooms? Is part of that maybe like a real, this is part question, I guess maybe it's rhetorical, but it's part of that maybe just like getting out of our own way a little bit in the sense of just like being focused on ourself and everything we have to do like do you think that that's one of the reasons that people are not discerning of what's going on

is because we're just so focused on our natural tasks or whatever we're doing i also think some people are wired to because of maybe some of the feelers you know because they're walking and they're already feeling all the feels so So therefore they're more aware of it. Versus the goal-driven headies, they're going in there, they're thinking about what they need to do, they're more here. And so that's why I say when you become more aware. So it's maybe as you're learning to grow in this, it's like as you're stepping into spaces,

okay, Holy Spirit, show me. I want to see. I want to feel. What are you doing in this space? And just becoming more. And it's not self-aware. It's spirit-aware. Right.

And then walking into spaces and just being open to hearing. It comes back to relationship with him, intimacy with him. That's right. Your best friend, the Holy Spirit. Yes, he is. He will teach us all him. That's right. Your best friend, the Holy Spirit. Yes, he is. He will teach us all things. That's right. So I want to hear a little bit more about, because Tom Flodds has been a really fun conversation. Tom Flodds, what do we have left? Do we have like 10 minutes? What are we looking at? 10 minutes? I'm messing. All right. So we'll do two things. We'll ask you

about coaching. Just talk about your coaching. Talk about the watering hole or whatever's on your heart to just share with people about transforming lives. As a coach, I love coaching. It's such a wiring of mine to see where God is taking people. Not just where they're at, but to see where God is taking people. So not just where they're at, but to see what God is wanting to do with them and then moving them into those spaces. So it's unlocking and helping people get unstuck. And whether it's relationally or even purpose-wise, so I love doing that.

The watering hole is a, so that's my business. I'm a coach as a business. But the watering hole is a meeting that happens once a month in Richmond, Virginia, and it is specifically for women. It is a refreshing and training gathering. And, you know, one of my passions is really to see the body come together and be the body. So it's not just one denomination, not just one church, but I do want to shout out, I have an incredible senior lead and pastor of our church. And he's apostolic. And when I went to him and

said, I'd like to bring the watering hole here, because at that stage we'd already grown, and I just felt like we needed more covering. And he just looked at me and he said, what building do you want? Where do you want to bring this? He was so excited for the vision of bringing the watering hole to the chapel. And so we did that and still continue to invite their people to drive in from North Carolina, Charlottesville, um, uh, Chesapeake. And, um, it is, it is a powerful training

gathering. Even Sandy is one of my, one of my leaders And I do things as a team. I love team. I don't believe in the one-man show. Now I believe that God uses gifts strategically to gather and draw and all that stuff. But I love seeing the strengths of each other and pulling in and releasing people where they're gifted and strong and anointed. So many times, if I may give a word or something, I'll say, all right, my prayer team, they're going to pray for you. And I don't even, I'm doing my thing. And we've had people physically healed, emotionally delivered, spiritually delivered, just the kingdom coming in their lives.

And I look back and I sit and I watch my team, and I'm like, I'm so proud. It truly is God in action. So that is the watering hole. Amen. Thank you for sharing. You guys check her out. All you women, check her out.

I'm not allowed to go. Put pigtails on we'll we'll welcome you in careful what you say so we're gonna ask one more question because we got to wrap it up you don't know that i'm asking this but i ask almost all of our guests especially the ones that are very in tune with the spirit as you are coming into this region coming into this town charlottesville. Do you have anything on your heart, anything the Lord has showed you for Charlottesville or even this show specifically or our ministry, anything?

Yes, as I was driving here, it was specifically for this place because I'd been asking the Lord, show me something specific. And I was asking for you, Nate. And I shared with you earlier, but there's so much about God being a covenant-keeping God and God being faithful through the generations. And as I was driving down, I could just see these huge angelic beings on the side of the road. And there was this refiner's fire because they in their arms they were holding these big scrolls and there was this fire going through the scrolls and you could tell and sandy and i were actually talking about this refining fire that is going

through the body but as i looked i could see the words on the scroll were remaining so it looked like it was still a blanket, but made of words, but the paper around it was being dissipated through the fire. And then when I looked, continued to watch, I could see that the angels, their wings were made of rainbows. They were just like from one back to the other, to the other. Like as I was driving along, just this huge rainbow interlocking them. And again, that speaks to me of covenant. And Nate, you are called to steward generational promises from one generation to the next, legacy promises, that even where the previous generation was successful

and handed off things successfully to strengthen those connecting points. But where previous generations did not hand off successfully, and yet the gifts still remain in the earth. So it's like maybe the parent was really gifted in something but didn't walk or stew it in it. And the child has the very same gifting but doesn't know how to walk in it. It's like you're going to be able to look at generational with that prophetic side of yours and see, and even possibly in the show, using the show to speak into areas where there has not been a mentorship

and a stewardship of giftings. And every time it's like when it goes into the earth, it's God's touchdown. Like literally the touchdown of a Lord. In other words, a specific work for a specific generation at a specific time, a kairos time. It's the touchdown of a Lord. And so he's going to give you eyes to see the

bigger picture, like a coach on the field. And you're like, I can see the ball. I can see God's wanting to do this. All right. How can we touch that down in this current generation and to be able to, to be able to do that? Amen. Love it. Yeah. Thank you so much. Yeah. You don't even, you don't know this, but our son's name is Kai Roman. We call him Kairos. So Kairos is like very, uh, I wrote a book, uh, eight years ago called a quest for Kairos. So that's a very important to me. And eight is the name new beginnings. What's that? New Beginnings. You said, I wrote a book eight years ago. Well, guess what? It's New Beginnings. And so there's a fresh release on that word for this season.

Amen. Yeah, that's, we'll talk about it after off the air. I don't want to get Judah mad at me. We have to go. Anything else on your heart before you go? We're good. Thank you so much to gosh, to Tom Flew. It was a fascinating conversation.

Sandy, thank you. Did you enjoy the show today, Sandy? Can we have some claps? Claps for Nicole? So bless you guys. We always have fun here. Thank you for watching. Thank you for sharing the show. We thank our sponsor, Opening Doors Real Estate. And next week, I'm excited. Bill Yont is going to be on the show. He's a prophet from, I think he's in Pennsylvania, somewhere up north. And I met him one time. He's just an awesome guy. We're going to have a lot of fun. So bless you guys. I speak life and love and health and healing over your minds and your bodies in the name of Jesus. God bless and have a good week. Amen. Thank you.