The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Old Ivy Greystar Project Will Have Massive Impact; Youngkin Backtracks & Greenlights Reid Campaign

Episode Date: May 5, 2025

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Good Monday afternoon, guys. I'm Jerry Miller. Thank you kindly for joining us on the I Love Seaville show. It's great to be with you and oh, boy, do we have a lot of content for you on a glorious and gorgeous afternoon in downtown Charlottesville. Glenn Yonkin caught with his pants down. Proverbially, right? Not literally. Got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Metaphorically. Not literally. Yonkin's top lieutenant quits late last week. And over the weekend the governor of Virginia says, you know what? I'm double ‑‑ I'm backtracking. I'm going to do a little double talk here. I'm going to say John Reed, the conservative talk show host, a man who openly speaks about his sexuality and his partner of eight years, Yonkin has now said John Reed is all right by me. We'll give him a shot at Lieutenant Governor as he tries to salvage what is a ravaged GOP ticket in a very important election year for Republicans in the

Commonwealth of Virginia. A lot we're going to talk about today, ladies and gentlemen. We're going to talk about the news we broke. What, Friday? Did you see CBS 19 followed our reporting? Some other old media followed what we reported. Mickey Tavern, Judah Wickauer is for sale. The business and the real estate. I want to talk about that on today's show. What's the best use for Mickey Tavern? Do you keep it the same? Do you change it? How do you improve it? Who's the buyer of Mickey Tavern? Got some information for you potentially today on the I Love Seville show. A lot we're going to cover on the program, ladies

and gentlemen, including a project that I don't think anyone really is understanding the magnitude and the momentum of. Grey Star. And I put a snapshot of this on the I Love Seville network before the show started. Ladies and gentlemen, Graystar, an international real estate development company with $76 billion with a B in gross assets under management across 17 countries and that's a 2023 number, ladies and gentlemen. They are bringing to market the old Ivy residences on the

250 bypass and off old Ivy Road. When you're on the bypass, close to St. Ann's Belfield, right off of old Ivy Road, and you see those massive eight acres that have all the trees have been knocked down and it's just this big, you know, eight acres of red Virginia clay. Well, here's what's coming there. 336 one, two, and three bedroom apartments. 189 three bedroom detached homes and town homes. This is literally a small city that Grey Star is building. In fact, Judah, and I should have mentioned this before the show started, I posted on my Facebook page, page, the top post on my Facebook page, a picture of what the project is going to look like. If you could grab that picture so we can put it on screen for the viewers and listeners, that would be amazing. The old IV residents,

this gray star project, the construction has already started and the first units are slated for delivery second quarter of next year. So we're about a year away from the first units, you know, being ready for the community. And this is a for rent community. This is not purchase community. This is you are renting either these 189 detached homes and townhouses or these 336 apartments. Listen to the amenities that are offered on this eight‑acre parcel. And I want to talk about it on the show. Two club houses, two swimming pools, two fitness centers, multiple playgrounds, sports courts everywhere,

basketball courts, pickle ball courts, tennis courts, dog parks, a walking trail, a massive putting green, a co-working space, a library, a golf simulator, and they're doing a farmer's market, a food and sun dries market. This is a small town that Grey Star is building on the 250 bypass. And if you don't think a small town that is eventually going to be home to thousands of people is going to have a strain on schools, roads, public utilities and our quality of life, then, ladies and gentlemen, you are being seduced by the activists in this community that like to dangle buzzwords like affordable housing and increasing supply to stabilize prices. That's what's best for

Almore and Charlottesville. All that is crapola, ladies and gentlemen. Hogwash. Buzzwords used by elected officials and activists to get what they want. This is going to bring nothing but quality of life trouble. I wanna talk about it on the I Love Civo show. You got that photo? Yeah. You gotta put it on screen? Yeah. You can put it on screen right now?

It's on. It's on screen. Gosh, Judah Wickauer, you're really doing a great job. What do you make of what you see right there? This is on the bypass. This is basically a miniature old trail on the bypass. It certainly is massive. It's massive. On the bypass. That quarter, that little gateway is already a clustered duck, quack, quack, quack. And then you're going to

add thousands of people living right there to it? It's just absolutely bananas, folks. We'll talk about it on today's program. Go back to ‑‑ oh, fantastic. I had a great experience, my family and I, at John Shabe's Pro Renata brewery in Crozet over the weekend. Cody Purvis was playing. My two boys and my wife and I first we started on the playground as the boys had to get their willies out. We were drinking ‑‑ I had the Skyline IPA. My wife had the hot drone and it was just absolutely great beer. My boys were playing on the playground

as we were drinking beers. It was a beautiful day. We went from the playground to inside. We saw John there. We saw Brian Combs there. We saw Joe Reed. The place was packed with music lovers. My boys wanted to get a taste of Cody Purvis and Country Music, so we listened to Purvis who played originals and covers. Then we went to Shave and Pro Renata's back bar. The back bar has been remodeled and reimagined. I want to give some props to the Pro Renata team. I love the intimacy of this lounge that they built in the corner. Perfect for watching sports. They made the bar a little bit bigger. Move through is no longer there. In place of move through is a pinball, is a collection of pinball machines, Judah. Some of the best pinball machines I've ever seen right there at Pro Granada. I mean,

I got to hand it to the PRN team. They are doing this the right way. They have a playground, they have music, they have multiple music venues, they have really good beer, they've really upped the beer quality of late, they got one of the best settings at the foothills of the Blue Ridge, fire pits and cornhole everywhere. I mean it is truly an omni-experiential brewery and I just want to salute those guys for just building this destination for music lovers, beer lovers, and families alike. I sincerely mean that. Had a great time over the weekend. I hope they hear what I said. I sincerely mean that. A lot I want to cover on today's show ladies and gentlemen

including City Council being asked to fund 16 more bus drivers, that will take 82 in total, Judah, for Charlottesville? 16 more bus drivers? When does the ask for money stop from local government? When do elected officials say to taxpayers, hey, you know what? You guys are hurting. I'm hurting, you're hurting. Everything's more expensive. Assessments, tax rates, personal property,

floating debt, groceries, fuel still hasn't dropped pre-COVID levels. You guys are hurting. Let's take a break on taxing you guys. No, no, no, no, local government wants more, more, more, more. Take Almore County, for example. Did you know that the county executive lives in my former stopping grounds, the gated community of Glenmore?

We don't live there anymore. We live more on the west side of town now. County executive of Almore County lives over there. And he's saying to supervisors Alamaro County supervisors you know what despite the fact that Alamaro County residents are dying the death of a thousand cuts let's ask them for even more money by raising the tax rate four cents and let's raise the tax rate four cents at a time

where groceries are more expensive than they've ever been, Americans are more saddled with credit card debt than they've ever been. Many in this community are uncertain of their professional future with the Department of Government Efficiency making cuts left and right, or requiring people to return back to office in the DC area.

So many folks on the teat of government supply chain in Amarok County. So they're feeling extremely vulnerable and uncertain. How about the University of Virginia? 3% cost of living raise guys is frozen. Performance based bonuses are frozen. Hiring freeze is going on right now. And they're talking about cutting people's pay.

Still Amarok County wants more money from you. They don't read the tea leaves or read the room that assessments went up. Nearly double digits on average across the county. No, no, no, no. We need the money to fund affordable housing. Make it make sense. How does taxing people more money?

Asking them for more money. Make the county affordable. Make it make sense, Judah. I want more money from you, Alamora County, for the sake, Judah, of affordability. Make it make sense. A four-cent tax rate, guys, uptick is no joke. We'll talk about that on the I Love Seaville Show, guys. A lot I want to cover on the program. I want to highlight one of our partners, Charlottesville Sanitary Supply, Judah, 60 consecutive years in business for the Vermillions. John Vermillion and Andrew Vermillion, great people, honest, communicative. I've seen it firsthand. We're opening the pool at our house.

We had our friend Dave Fafar over there. He does a fantastic job with pools, Pulling the cover off the pool today. The water was as blue as blue gets because Dave, John and Andrew know what they're doing. Charlottesville Sanitary Supply, 60 consecutive years in business on East High Street and online at CharlottesvilleSanitarySupply.com. Can't wait to jump into that swimming pool. Can't wait to jump in there. Judah Wickhauer, two shot, we view in the mix. What's with the double take from Yonkin? Put that lower third on screen if you could.

Glenn Yonkin, last week, Judah, about a week ago, right? He's got ties and links to sextortion. Sextortion. In phony Tumblr accounts and using pictures of sex and it's fact here, gay porn against a candidate on the GOP ticket, John Reid. Youngkin said, Youngkin's campaign, Youngkin's team, they're like, we don't want this John Reid guy being the lieutenant governor. We wanted old Heredity out of Fairfax County who dropped out of the race, citing health concerns. We thought Pat in Fairfax County was going to win the Republican primary. We didn't think John Reed was going to win. We thought Pat Haride was going to win. We didn't know Pat Haride was going to piece out of the race because of health issues.

Now we're left with Reed and no one to challenge him. We got to see if we can get Reed out of there. So, Youngkin's lieutenant has this cockamamie scheme of sex torsion in Tumblr accounts and pictures and sex to try to get someone to drop out of a race. They did not anticipate John Reed saying, I'm staying in the race. And now over the weekend, Glenn Yonkin, who's had a very rough 2025 guys, an extremely challenging 2025. Now Yonkin, his lieutenant quits his pack. His

lieutenant pieces out, hits the road, jack, and Yonkin is left licking his wounds and looking a fool saying, you know what, upon further thought, I'm gonna back John Reed, and I'm going to try to stabilize the grand old party of Virginia because it has been ravaged by my backroom wheeling and dealing, my conniving and undermining and underhanding behavior. What do you make of the Yonkin News? I mean, he's not betting a thousand. He's struggling. This is the second person he's asked to leave a post,

or not necessarily a post in this case, but when he asked Bert Ellis to leave the post that he had appointed him to and now asking, you know, asking the only Republican candidate for lieutenant governor. He had no other choice to do this. He didn't think this through. He tries to blackmail Reid to drop out of the race. Reid says, no, I'm not gonna drop out of the race and I'm, no, I'm not going to drop out of the race, and I'm going to sue you guys for defamation of character. That causes Yonkin, you jump in here,

that causes Yonkin to basically say, good God, someone's got to be the fault guy because our plan backfired. I'm going to make my lieutenant the fall guy. He's going to quit. And then after he quits, I have to tell everyone, goodness gracious, great balls of fire, John Reed needs to stay. Basically the mea culpa from Yonkin that he made a mistake.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean the whole thing actually energized John Reed's supporters, his base, they came out fully in support of him. And his, you know, his video recording with his statement about not giving this up must have done the job. Unbelievable. It's absolutely unbelievable. A once presidential candidate, a governor that had the mightest touch, that could have run for president when the term, the Trump second term was done. He could have used, I took Virginia out of COVID, he could have used the strength of the economy, he could have used all the job creation done in the Commonwealth. He could have used the fact that he beat McCullough in a purple state, a bellwether state. He could have used the fact that he was a middle-of-the-road Republican to springboard a move, a push into the White House.

And in the last five months, four months really, we're only in May, he's had the Burt Ellis debacle. He's had the tour of national television where he said he crushed diversity, equity, and inclusion at UVA. Hey, last I heard it's still going on at UVA to the point where the Department of Justice issued a letter to Jim Ryan and the Board of Visitors that if you don't make these changes, you guys are going to get the hammer dropped on you and it's the federal government talking here, not Youngkin talking. And didn't he say it was gone like a day before Burt Ellis?

Literally touting it was gone a day before he cans Burt Ellis and right before Burt Ellis says, no, Youngkin, you're wrong. Yeah, there's work to be done. It's not gone. Now Yonkin has ads in the Richmond Times Dispatch of the Daily Progress commissioned by the Jefferson Council where Jim Ryan's Na Na Na Booing. Do you have that ad still you can put on screen?

Where Jim Ryan's Na Na Na Booing, Glenn Yonkin in print. Kind of a genius move by the Jefferson Council. The artwork both Judah and I said could have been a lot better. I know for a fact Judah, if he was asked to do it, would have executed a much better drawing than this, because the man at Savannah College of Art and Design

and a very talented individual. You got that artwork? Yep. Is it on screen? Yeah, there we go. Man, you're batting a thousand today. Yonkin's not batting a thousand. Jude is batting a thousand. Look at the screen, viewers and listeners. I love the ad. I love the fact that they're going after Yonkin there. The execution could have

been a little bit better. Not trying to throw shade over there at you, Jefferson Council. Unless the execution intentionally was done kind of you know haphazardly to attract attention but I don't think that was the intent who knows who knows I do you appreciate the ad though right oh yeah appreciate it Logan Wells Claylow watching the program her photo on screen she said she just received notice that a road is blocked near Bel Air Market due to an overturned lumber truck which was obviously going to the Grey Star site. You need to take the next exit to get on 250. I actually passed this accident, Judah, on the way to the studio today. I had

meetings this morning with contractors on that side of town for projects we're working on and as I'm driving to the studio I'm passing Bel Air Market down Ivy Road a humongous tractor trailer carrying enough lumber to frame I Don't know multiple houses Tried to make that turn at Bel Air Market, you know, it's a hard right Make that hard right right there at Bel Air Market, like you're trying to get on the

bypass. So is he heading? He's heading west. Out to Ivy? He's heading out to Ivy West. And he tries to make a right to go under the bridge? Yeah, try to go right under the bridge. That's more than a hard right.

That's practically a U-turn. That's a U-turn. Now, think about it. Going to that Grey Star site is so difficult because you can't do it over there under the underpass, the initial one. There's a bridge no matter where you go. Anywhere you go, you're happy to go under a bridge for some capacity. So he makes the hard right, he cuts the right too sharply and literally tips sideways over all the lumber spills off the truck the road the truck is teetering off the road VDOTS got multiple men on screen Almaro County police cruisers everywhere

Traffic backed up for a mile and change going west toward Crozet ladies and gentlemen It's a microcosm of this gray star project put that lower third on screen and put that picture back on screen. Ladies and gentlemen, who green lit a small town being built on the bypass off of old Ivy Road by an international real estate development company called Gray Star Real Estate Partners? Who green lit this project? Chad Wood, it was great to see you at Pro Renata yesterday. I'm going to get to your comments. Bill McChesney, Kevin Yancey, I'm going to get to your comments here in a matter of moments. Viewers and listeners, like and share the show. James Watson, Rob Neal, Bill McChesney, Mike Pruitt, Colleen

Tyler, Bobby Schata, Gary Palmer, welcome to the program. Just a few people watching the broadcast. Jason Noble, I love when you're interacting with the I Love Seville Network, Jason Noble. Judah, housing for thousands, housing for thousands, and no one but the I Love Seville show is talking about it. No one is talking about that it's housing for thousands in a rental capacity. This isn't housing for thousands in a purchase capacity. This is housing for thousands that's only going to take gray star in international real

estate magnet and make them even richer, $76 billion with a B in gross assets under management in 17 countries as of 2023. Somebody let the fox into the hen house. And that fox is gray star. And that hen house is us stupid Charlottesvilleans in Alvaro County that got hoodwinked by activists who bullied council and supervisors into thinking any kind of additional supply is good for affordability. Explain to me, Judah, viewers and listeners, how housing for thousands, 336 apartments, 189 three-bedroom town homes and detached houses for rent is going to create housing affordability.

Someone explain it to me. Someone make it make sense. How is that going to create housing affordability? How is the supervisors of Alamora County and hold them all accountable, ladies and gentlemen, considering a 4-cent real estate tax rate increase going going to create housing affordability for Albemarle County. When assessments pop nearly 10% on average across the county. Now, in terms of that, I think it's probably a juggling act they're looking at.

You know, we're talking about, I don't necessarily know about Albemarle County, but City Council is talking about Grants to low and moderate income city homeowners Admiral County if they were to do the same kind of thing you might say that it's a way of juggling Taxes while giving some of it back to the people that can't afford the taxes Take the Grey Star project. Are you ready for this? We're going to take the Grey Star project. The project's called Old Ivy Residence. Put that photo back on screen from time to time, then come back to us. 336 apartments, 189 three bedroom detached houses and town homes.

15% of them, 15%, one five of the residents are reserved for households earning less than 80% area median income. Let's take out the old trusty calculator. Okay? Yeah. Let's go. What's area of median income? Judah is a very smart man. I believe we've talked about it being at 125,800. Judah is batting 1,000 today. He's killing

it. Only man I've ever met in the middle of summer when it's 80‑some degrees that's got an undershirt on with a button‑down long‑sleeve shirt on and a very sharp‑looking cardigan on as well. It's not a cardigan. But we're inside. It's a sweater. You're wearing a sweater, a button down shirt and an undershirt and I'm wearing a row back golf shirt that's basically like having no clothes on. That's what makes the show great here. It's the odd couple right here. But let's just use our calculator, okay, J-Dubbs? 125,800. Let's use the metric 80%.

Say it's earning less than 80% area of median income. How deep below 80% do you think they're going to go? 79.9%? You mean ‑‑ Gray Star? You mean how affordable will these places really be? Yeah. They're saying houses 15% of the residents are reserved for households earning less than 80% area median income.

Which is actually pretty high. Extremely high. Let's just use 80%. 125,800 times.8. That means the family household is making $100,640. So if I'm Graystar, remember, Almar County, Charlottesville, they let the fox into the henna house. Somehow, they've green lit a project on a bypass

that has entries to this project that are so precarious and dangerous that tractor trailers when navigating roadways next to Bel Air where Mason Pickett holds signs up. Old Mason Pickett, I saw him this morning. Man was roasting. He looked like a sun-dried tomato out there in the Bel Air parking lot under the Virginia sun holding a sign up. Leftist, leftist, professor

suck is what his sign said today. Oh, Mason Pickett. Love him or hate him, you always know Mason Pickett is there. So Pickett is over there on the asphalt at Bell Air Market. I'm like Mason, dude, do you want me to get you a Kazwick from inside Bell Air Market? Do you want me to get you a Minuteman Imperial stout? Do you want me to get you an ice cold beer? It's like Jerry, it's 10.45 in the morning. Sorry, it's a little too early to be drinking beer. I'm like, Mason, you're roasting here like a sun-dried tomato, like a California raisin on the asphalt of Bel Air. He goes, I know, but I'm holding my sign. Leftist professor sucks. I to do my job. Mason, you're not getting paid for this, Mason. You're driving

from Stanton here, Mason, to sit in a chair and have people honk at you, very few in support, honk at you and giving you the one-finger saloon. He goes, I'm doing my job, Jerry. I'm doing my job. I'm like, okay, Mason. So Mason is sitting right there. He's got a vantage point of a tractor trailer coming west down Ivy Road. And this tractor trailer has this conundrum, Judah. I got all this lumber for this project that's 336 apartments and 189 town homes and detached houses. And I got to get this lumber to this eight‑acre site because they got to build these putting greens and these swimming

pools and these playgrounds and these pickle ball courts and these dog parks and these club houses and these fitness centers and these farmers markets, Judah. So this is what the guy ‑‑ I saw him. He was a Hispanic truck driver. This is what he had to do. He's like do I take the right right after the car wash in the Papa Johns? I can't take the right after the car wash in the Papa Johns because my truck won't fit under the underpass, right? So instead he chooses to go up the road and take the hard right on Bel Air and as Judah very aptly described it, that's just not a right turn. That's a complete U-turn. So he takes an 18-wheeler holding enough lumber to frame what? The Al

Mar County courthouse that they're building, enough lumber to frame the Carlton trailer park on behalf of Habitat for Humanity and Dan Rosenswag and Sunshine Mathon. He's taken that U-turn to the Grey Star site and he literally tips off the road. The truck Judah tipped off the road. I'm curious if he would have even made it underneath that overpass. I would hope to God he's tried that before. The truck is literally teetering off the road as if it was a seesaw. It's literally like somebody that's on a high dive and they get to the edge of the high dive with their feet on the edge and they're going like this and they're like should I jump or not? All the lumber fell off the truck and crashed down on the side of the road.

All the lumber. Did it fall away from the road? No. It fell toward the U-turn. That literally is happening right now. There's an Alamaro County cruiser on the site and as I was driving by I saw him talking to the driver and he's like this, what did you do? Multiple V.Vehicles were there. Traffic was backed up well past the Borse head, well past the university shops, the car wash, well past

Moe's barbecue. Here's the effing crazy thing for Almoore County and Charlottesville. Are you ready for this? At the very same time that they're building 336 apartments and 189 three‑bedroom detached houses and town homes at the Gray Star site, eight acres, they're building a 10‑ or 12‑story building next to Moee's barbecue. Literally so close to Moe's that a chain link fence and a caution cone are touching Moe's barbecue. That's construction is all happening at the very same time. It's happening at the exact same time that Subtex is building 1,300 homes, 1,300 apartments in the shadows of Scott Stadium. And it's happening at the exact same time that the University of Virginia is going to start

building housing for second years on Ivy Road so they can start living second years in university housing. What the hell are we doing? Eventually as residents, do we stop acquiescing or eventually as taxpayers, do we push back and say these activists that are screaming for more housing, these people are a scourge. They are crushing quality of life. They are crushing our lives. It's like the bubonic plague. It's like scurvy. Housing scurvy, Judah. We got housing scurvy going on right now. And all we're doing is getting riddled with it. Why is nobody talking about this? And why does no one push back, Let's say 15% of the project

for and call it affordable housing so we can get it green lit by government. Oh, that 15% family income for that 15% is going to be 100 grand. Almost 101,000. We're going to call it affordable though. Make it make sense somebody. So I have a question. Who is the one that decides that 80% of AMI is affordable? Because it would seem like that's a pretty ‑‑ 80% is a pretty high number. If I'm the government, if I'm the developer, and obviously this company has it dialed in, right? This company has it dialed

in because they have $76 billion in assets. Oh, the queen of Ivy sent me a text of what's going on. Gosh, queen of Ivy, thank you very much. Kate, thank you for sending me this. Judah, I'm going to ‑‑ what's the best way I can ‑‑ I'm going to Facebook message you this. I'm going to Facebook message this to Judah. This is the ‑‑ Kate's picture of what is going on on Bel Air right now. You're going to have to zoom in right there. This is a great ‑‑ thank you, Kate, queen of Ivy. I literally drove by this today.

This is going to be going on for the next year, ladies and gentlemen. This is literally going to be going on for the next year. Tell me when you can get that photo on screen. Can you zoom in on it? Or is that going to take too long to edit before you can get it on screen? No, I can do a little zoom in the app. Oh, you're such a fantastic human being. Thank you, Kate. Thank you, Judah. Comments. Put them in the screen. Relay them live on air. Clever question from Judah, Deep Throat says, number one in the family is watching the program. says, number one in the family is watching

the program. Hello, number one in the family. I was late getting to the studio today, so I did not have a chance to respond to the very creative video you put together about Kevin Cox petitioning for more sidewalks around the city. I will respond to you shortly, Deep Throat. He has multiple Comments deep throat does he says very clever question from Judah. I pointed this out over and over to the city officials

Reliance on area median income as the metric for affordability is Stupid That's his words Because as AMI goes up, less people are going to be coming even close to that 80%. God, dude, why are you not like this every day? Can you be like this every day? I can try. You're doing an amazing job. Thank you. I have a photo ready. You have the photo already? Ready?

Yeah. Goodness gracious, Judah. It's already ready already. Thank you. Put the photo on screen. Judah's doing great work. You have the photo already? Ready? Yeah. Goodness gracious, Judah. Thank you. Put the photo on screen. Judah's doing great work. Look at the screen. This is from the Queen of Ivy herself. The photo's on screen?

Yeah. This is a tipped over. I saw this firsthand today driving. I literally saw this at 12, 10 PM today, an hour ago. What you are seeing is a tractor trailer that was driving, is it a pile of lumber? Is it a bushel of lumber? It's not a bushel.

Is this image facing north? Are we looking north? She's looking across the way probably from the Bel Air entrance. Gotcha. Bel Air neighborhood entrance. So this would be looking north. So that would be west, that would be east.

Man of directions too? No I mean you. This is looking north, you're exactly right. With west to the left of the photo. If you look on screen you see a tractor trailer that is half off the road. Some of the wheels are off the road because it's seesawing,eter-tottering off the road. Put the thing back on screen. This num-nuts decided to make a u-turn with a tractor trailer. Is it a bushel? Is it a bushel of wood? I don't think you would call it a bushel. Is it a plane? What is it? Is it a lot of wood? Do I just call it a lot of wood? Yeah. Is it a lot of wood? Someone's gonna take that in the wrong direction over there.

Take it a hard right, all the lumber spills over. Look how big of a tow truck they needed to get the truck back on the road. The tow truck is bigger than an Expedition. Yeah. And Deep Throat makes the point, using area-mediated income, you know who wins when area-mediated income is used

as the metric to determine affordability? Who's the winner? Developers? God, Jews, Ben, a thousand. He's still going on. If you're a gray star and you're able to do this, guys, let's trick, let's trick these supervisors and let's trick these counselors and let's see if we can

hoodwink them and let's see if we can get the metric to be tied to area median income. And if we can negotiate the deal in 2000 for AMI, they're're gonna think that the prices are going to be set on two thousands the year 2020 your 2020 excuse me's AMI But we're really not going to come to ground to come to market until 2026 and we know every year the AMI is going to go up and Every year after that the AMI is going to go. And if we tie it to 80% area median income, that's still $101,000 we're renting to people, their family household income.

We can charge them, ladies and gentlemen, $5,000 a month, $4,000 a month. And we can have all these units as Billed to rent we're not going to sell any of them and if we do it the right way 336 apartments plus 189 houses a total of 525 units what do we think is the average is a great question for deep throat deep throat of the 525 units, what do we think is the average? This is a great question for deep throat.

Of the 525 units that Grey Star is renting, what do you think the average rent is on these 525 deep throat? Just out of curiosity, that's above my pay grade right there. Do we say the average rent on those 525 deep throat is $4,000 a month? That's a great question for Rob Neal. That's in your pay grade there, Rob.

Do we say the average rent on those 525 units is $4,000 a month? What is the average rent on those 525 units? Deep throat. Throw me a number here in DM, right in your wheelhouse right there. He says I think it would vary because of the sizes, but I would say give me a number, flat number per month, deep throat, $4,000 a month, $3,500 a month. Let's just use for the sake of a talk show, a sake of a talk show, $3,500 a month rent for the 525 units.

So 525 times $3,500. Make sure we got the right lower third on screen. Which lower third are we rocking up there? Grey Star? Yep. Gosh, you're betting $1,000. I'm going to say, okay, he said between $3,000 and $4,000. So maybe I do know this. This is how I make my living. He said between $3, he said between 3,000 and 4,000. So maybe I do know this.

This is how I make my living. He said between 3,000 and 4,000. I chose 3,500. So 525 times 3,500. These MFers are collecting $1,835,500 in rent per month. Let's times that by 12 months. These MFers are collecting $22,050,000 in rent in one year. Gray Star is no dummy.

Let's tie this project to area median income and make it look like perception is reality. We can trick these activists and say, we'll give you 15% of this project. Tie it to 80% AMI. Wink, wink, wink. Activists, can they add? Stop. Sorry.

I appreciate it. All right. Activists can add. They know how to do multiplication. I'm sorry. But they obviously were okay with this. 525 units times 3,500, so $1,837,500 in rent per month, times 12 months in a year, $22,050,000 in rent in the first year of max occupancy. In a 10-year period of time, Graystar will have generated

nearly a quarter of a billion dollars in rent on an eight-acre site on the bypass. I'm going to say that number again. And that's with a 3,500 number not incrementally increasing 5% every year like all landlords do. That's also if they can fill them all. That's a great question. And Judah Wickow is very smart to ask that question.

Because UVA is pulling out an entire grade from- Second years are gonna be required to live in student housing. Yeah. Housing that they're building on old Ivy Road. Which they currently were not using, which means that they were, they're pulling them out of- Second years,

I went to UVA, my second year, I lived in student housing, Lambeth Commons, right off of Rugby Road. Some second years live in housing that's owned by UVA. Not all second years. You're not pulling them all out. Not pulling them all out, but Judah makes a really good point.

And it's happening at the same time that Subtex is doing 1,300 units in the Shadows of Scott Stadium. And it's happening at the same time that the Elysian, Elysian, Elysian? Elysian. Elysian? Elysian.

Elysian. And the shops of Elysian? Elysian. Elysian? Elysian. Elysian? And the shops of Stonefield can't get running, right? Yep. Now, to counter as a counter to that counter, we do know incremental population increases tied to the data science school and the Paul Manning biotech. But to counter that counters counter, is it counter the counter of the counter?

To counter the counter of the counter, the data science school and the Paul Manning Biotech Institute, they're gonna attract incremental population increase that's wealthy. And the incremental population increase that's wealthy, maybe one year they rent, as they figure out where they wanna live, but eventually those people are gonna be buying homes,

because they're gonna be making some bank. And when you're making some bank, you're not spending 3,500 a month in rent. Wealthy don't stay wealthy or get wealthy by paying $3,500 a month in rent. Just the nature of life. It's called the Darwinistic nature of capitalism. I think it's crazy. F-ing crazy. Just crazy. A couple other comments coming in.

This is also from Deep Throat. A small city with access only to old Ivy Road apparently. There was already a traffic jam on the southeastern end railroad underpass today. Put that photo back up by the Queen of Ivy. He says it's crazy that there's no outlet to Sandridge. It's funny that stuff like this goes in and still the livable Seaville nitwits keep chanting that the city and county make multifamily housing more and more

and more and more of it. Those were his words. Those weren't my words, Jude. You didn't say stop the deep throat. What was I going to do? You didn't say stop the deep throat. What am I gonna do? You didn't say stop the deep throat. You said stop to me. Yeah, but you-

He called them nitwits, I just said they couldn't add. He's entitled to his opinion. But I'm not entitled, I can't say they can't add? But you know they can. But do they know they're nitwits? What am I gonna do, tell them to stop? He says, he says the Grey Star Project was green lit

by the County Planning Commission and the Board of Supervisors. We have Albor County Board of Supervisors watching this right now, by the way. Deep Throat says, there was a decent amount of opposition related to the access issues. As usual, barely covered by local media. This was like 18 months ago. The county could have stopped this as it needed a bunch of waivers, and there was a proffer

from long ago that gave the county the ability to say no. I have been covering this. I am the only one that has been talking. Judah and I are the only ones that talk about stuff like this. We live in a media desert where the outlets of reporting are manned by 22-year-old children and whether people that like to use secret cameras to record sexual proclivity

than to use for sextortion at later dates. That literally happened. I know. Come with me on a trip to Ireland. Come with me, the weatherman says, on a trip to Ireland. They're encouraging people to go with the weatherman on a trip to Ireland. Watch out for that man's teddy bear.

You know what those eyes are? Those eyes are secret cameras. God knows what he's gonna use that footage for. That literally happened. The- Can we catch up with him in California or something? No, but Ohio. Ohio.

He went all the way to Ohio. He quit his job. Everyone was like, why is he off air? We love the guy. Why is he off air? You know the guy, why is he off air? You know what the, so many sad aspects of that story are. This is if you're not following Josh Fitzpatrick, the NBC 29 weatherman, meteorologist,

meteorologist, weatherman? What's the difference between a weatherman and a meteorologist? Wadham studies meteors. It's a joke. I never get your humor. It's because it's so dry. Meteorologist.

Meteors. Sorry. It's a... So... I never get your humor. There's so many sad aspects of that story. Obviously the fact that he was secretly recording the sexual activity he was having with other men he was meeting on Grindr, taking the photos and the videos and using them not for money or financial gain, but to continue

the sexual momentum with the men he was meeting on Grindr and having sexual interactions with. Then he decides to quit immediately or maybe it was, I don't know, fire, more to this story, runs to Ohio where they finally track them down Texas Ranger style, Chuck Norris style, tracker style, my wife is watching the show on Paramount Plus, tracker. They track them down in Ohio, they bring them back to jail in Alamaro County. Dude, don't wanna be Josh Fitzpatrick in jail right now. As the guy that's in jail that secretly courted himself with other dudes doing the duty, doing the nasty, and then using that secret recording

to get other doing the nasty opportunities. The crazy aspect of that story, they say in Hall Spencer's reporting, the Daily Progress, Hall Spencer reports that in his first court appearance before he went to the judge, the prosecution, and he didn't even have a defense attorney. This came up with the prosecution. They're like, this guy, we've seen his bank account, he has no money. He has a car that barely runs. This guy literally is financially insolvent. He was living in an apartment in Eagle's Landing, Judah, spending $500 a month in Eagle's Landing.

This shows you that MBC 29 with one of its star on‑air ‑‑ I used to work at MBC 29. I know firsthand what it was like, the pay scale. With one of their star Judah on‑air ‑‑ I used to work at NBC29. I know firsthand what it was like, the pay scale. With one of their star Judah on‑air personalities, the weatherman, he had no money in his bank account, was driving a jalopy and living in a $500 a month apartment. One of the star on‑air personalities, Judah. Sad story. And you know what, how those stories generally go is more people are going to come out of the woodwork. Once there's one whistleblower, there's often other whistleblowers. John Blair has got some comments. Number two in the family. Let's get to JB. He says this, the big problem with this project is that the property was rezoned in 1985 with a proffer that it would never have a density greater than R1 until old Ivy Road was approved

to the satisfaction of the board of supervisors. Therefore, this rezoning did not have to be approved as a proffer has the force of law. The BOS could have relied on that proffer and not up zoned. In 2023 the BOS made the decision to obliterate that prior proffer and up zone the property. People need to know that context. There hasn't been any serious improvement to old Ivy since 1985. The board of supervisors had the ability to deny the rezoning based on that proffer and instead the board of supervisors voted to up zone. Legally the board of supervisors had the ability to deny the rezoning based on that proffer. And instead the board of supervisors voted to up zone. Legally the board of supervisors could negate the proffer, but it didn't have to, and the proffer gave them the ability to say no to the rezoning.

See this is why I love the show. I just got smarter from John. Deep Throat alludes to this in some of his direct messaging to us. And then John Blair who knows county and city business, like the Pope knows Holly Water, offers that context right there. Deep Throat then responds to John Blair. John Blair is leaving the comment on LinkedIn. Deep Throat on Twitter.

Yes, what John Blair is saying was what I was referring to. John Blair is exactly right. Deep Throat on Twitter DM to John Blair's LinkedIn comment right there. What in the HE double hockey sticks is Alamora County doing? They allowed a small town to be and no media is reporting about this besides us and we're not even media. This isn't even what we do. This is not a top five priority for me doing this show. Judah and I literally were late coming on air because I got into the studio at 12 26 p.m. and we came up with headlines for the program and literally 90 seconds.

Judah is that not true? It's pretty true. That's is that not true? Yeah that's pretty true. We literally came up with what we were going to talk about on this show 90 seconds before the show started. I'm not in this business and we're beating the other people at their own game. What's going on here? We're in Bizarro World. How's this for Bizarro World? Are you ready for this Bizarro World, Judah?

I'm ready. How is this for Bizarro world? First term Donald Trump. First term in office. August 12th, 2017 happens. August 11th and August 12th, 2017. Nazis are walking down the lawn. Terry Sullivan somehow allowed Nazis to walk down the lawn carrying burning torches and chanting nasty rhetoric against Jews. On the lawn, ladies and gentlemen. The next day, Saturday, August 12th, city council somehow allows the Ku Klux Klan, Nazis and people dressed in military gear and having machine guns, armed rifles, whatever the hell they're called on their person. Literally the Ku Klux Klan is allowed to come to Charlottesville and

chant nasty comments against Jews and people of black and brown skin. That literally happens. Some reason Donald Trump in his first term, whether it was taken out of context, he still made the buffooned statement of saying there was good people on either side. Could have been taken out of context Trump saying that? Maybe it wasn't. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder tomato tomato. It was definitely taken out of context. Judith says it was taken out of context. I say don't make

the comments. Why would you say that? It's stupid. You allowed yourself to be taken out of context. So Trump, A11, A12 says there's good people on either side. Charlottesville Virginia revolts against Donald Trump. Of course because he made that ridiculous comment. Charlottesville Virginia revolts against Donald Trump. Of course, because he made that ridiculous comment. Charlottesville becomes something that we never want to be. We live in infamy, not in Virginia, not on the East Coast or the Atlantic, but worldwide Charlottesville is turned into a ‑‑ it's no longer a city. It's an event, it's Nazis. It's a meme. Charlottesville becomes a meme, right? Exactly. Charlottesville becomes a meme. So here we have Trump and Nazis and this A11 and A12 and Charlottesville becomes a meme, right? Biden when he's running against Trump and Trump's second attempt, uses Charlottesville left and right against Trump.

Biden's never even stepped foot in Charlottesville. Yet this man is using us like he's using Paul Maid to style his hair, toothpaste to keep cavities from coming in into his molars. He's using us to beat Trump. He wins. Third term, Trump, third try, Trump wants to get on for a second term. He beats sleepy Joe Biden. Of course he beat Joe Biden. He turned it to weekend at Bernie's. He beats Kamala Harris. Of course he beat Kamala Harris. All she could do is read a teleprompter. Of course Trump's going to beat those people. Weekend

at Bernie's and someone who can only read a teleprompter. Of course Trump's gonna win. Charlottesville still hates Trump. They're campaigning against Trump. They're protesting against Trump. They're doing the Elon Musk, Stonefield thing, Tesla thing, Doge thing. We live in bizarro world. Trump gifts the city of Charlottesville a 40 to 60 million dollar asset. Trump says I'm going to close the Federal Executive Institute, something that's been training federal executives for 50 plus years, I'm going to close it and then about a month later I'm going to give to the people that hate me a 40 to 60 million dollar asset. And now Charlottesville is taking a 40 to 60

million dollar asset from Donald Trump who three months ago, four months ago, $60 million asset. And now Charlottesville is taking a $40 to $60 million asset from Donald Trump, who three months ago, four months ago, they were doing everything in their possible power to keep him from winning an election. Now Donald Trump isn't going to do a ribbon cutting ceremony in Charlottesville and say, hey, Juan Diego Wayne, Be Pink, Nat GBT, Michael Payne, Counselor Snook, head of livable CVO, and head of the teacher union.

I want you to come to the Federal Executive Institute for a ribbon cutting ceremony. We live in a bizarre world. We live in a bizarre world where in 2025, the board of supervisors can keep a small town from being developed on old Ivy Road. Where the two entry points to the small town, one of them you have to go under an underpass and if you're a tractor trailer you can't fit.

So the other entry point to the small town requires you to do a hard U-turn. And one of the first navigations of that hard U-turn for the tractor trailer carrying enough lumber to build Sim City, he teeter totters off the road, crushing all the lumber to the ground and closing the entry point, exit point where St. Ann's-Belfield when school gets let out here in about 90 minutes, that's going to be a cluster duck of epic proportions. So is the old Ivy residences to the west of the off ramp? What's that?

Coming off 250 towards Ivy from Charlottesville. When you head onto the off ramp that goes down with Falconer on the left, and then you head underneath the, is the land to the? It's that massive, huge spot that has no trees, and all you see is red Virginia clay. You can't miss it. I mean, I'm usually paying attention to the cars in front of me when I'm coming off the.

It's, yes, so if you're coming from my house, right? Yeah. Coming from my house. Heading towards Charlottesville. Heading towards Charlottesville, you take a left on Bel Air by Bel Air Market. Yeah. You go down that underpass

and then you're gonna take a hard left to get on the bypass. You're taking that left to go on the bypass like you're going to work. Okay. Or you're going to your house. And you get on the bypass, you look to your right, you'll see eight acres of cleared trees

and red Virginia clay. That's where they're building this small town. So why would he even be coming from in town? I don't know. I'm just curious. I have no idea. I'm just trying to wrap my head around it. I have no idea why he chose that way. Probably one of the only entries.

Kevin Yancy says it's parallel to the on-ramp of the bypass. Bill McChesney said if these knuckleheads would play Sim City, they would realize that poor roads and increased taxes create degradation of communities. Absolutely. I learned that through Oregon Trail. You have died of dysentery. Someone's going to die of dysentery and scurvy because of this gray star development. Stacey Baker Patty. She says, I saw articles that say rents would be ranging from $8,500 to $3,600. That seems light to me, Stacey Baker Patty.

This is my line of work here. That seems light to me, but I appreciate your comment, though. Rob Neal says, houses for rent, that's close enough for back of envelope apartments will be mid to high twos per month. He says the houses to rent for back of the envelope 3,500 a month number is right on point and he said the apartments will be mid to high twos. I think that's also low Rob. I'm renting the villas at Southern Ridge and this used to be the country green ghetto that got rebranded the villas at Southern Ridge by Bart Frye, a Virginia Beach developer. Now the fractured condo complex has been purchased by Levy & Co. a REIT out of Richmond. And I'm renting my three-bedroom two-bath with a den at the Vils at Southern Ridge for

2,500 a month 2,500 a month and that's nowhere near new and it doesn't have golf simulators Pickleball courts putting greens a farmers market to fitness centers and all these other amenities that are going on Just as a comp though, but I appreciate your comment because I know you know this business. This comment comes in and this person is asking for anonymity here. There is another bridge between the hairpin turn and the entry to Grey Star site that is one way for the next 12 months that a normal sedan can barely fit through due to bridge work. If a truck can't do the narrow pass behind Davenport Field,

then there is no way to get material to Grey Star. I've noticed that. When we take our kid to school, I do the drop off at school, that's why I'm here two hours before you get here. When I'm doing the drop off at school and have him there at like 730, and you take that left off of old Ivy Road, past Bel Air to get on the bypass,

before you can get on the bypass there, kind of where Faulkner Drive is, like you were saying, you can barely squeeze your vehicle through there. Like you legitimately, a car can barely get through there. You're talking about underneath the, underneath the OBS. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because, I don't know, is VDOT, VDOT's doing road work there.

How in the H-E double hockey sticks are tractor trailers going to make it through there? Bill McChesney, VDOT has announced that the old Ivy Bridge over 250 is already on schedule to be renovated. This is just absolute banana. We live in bizarro world. over 250 is already on schedule to be renovated. This is just absolute banana, we live in bizarro world. Absolute bizarro world. I mean, somebody make it make sense. Curtis Shaver, hello. What is he saying?

I like when Curtis leaves a comment. Oh, Curtis is responding to my everyone comment on I love Civo Group. Thank you, Curtis, for responding to that. Philip Dow says, NBC29 has become the worst television station in the area. Jason Noble put his photo on screen. Someone call Pfizer.

We need a vaccine for housing scurvy. Jason Noble, that was so funny. You know what the vaccine for housing scurvy is? Elect better and smarter people. James Watson. I've never been one of those not in my backyard people. Grey Star won't actually even be near my backyard, but I cannot see how they can place that many units there without reengineering the bridge off of old Ivy and then creating some type of flyover for traffic getting on and off the 250 bypass.

Is the target market graduate students or is it targeting anybody willing to pay rent? I think it's both, James. Great comment from Watson. Watson's smart guy right there. I think it's both, James Watson. And to Rob Neal's point, how the hell are they gonna get the materials there with tractor trailers?

Yeah. I mean, they're gonna have to like, are they gonna airlift the materials? Insanity. Bizarro world. Anything you want to add to this, Judah Wickauer? It's $137. We've got to make some money here.

No, I'm still trying to wrap my head around why he would go that way and not come off 250. Matthias? Matthias? Matthias Yon. Matthias Yon watching the program. I'd love to see the traffic studies for this development if they've ever conducted traffic studies at all.

Love Matthias. Very fantastic realtor. Georgia Gilmer, hello. Kevin Yancey says, I've driven, Rob Neal, I've driven a semi through there. It's tight, but it will fit. Kevin Yancey's a semi truck driver, Rob. So he said he's been able to squeeze a semi truck through there.

All right, what other topics do we have here? Some of these topics we're gonna have to save until tomorrow. Somehow I filled 70 minutes on this Grey Star project. Why is no one else talking about this? I doubt most people know. Now they do. Dude, it is absolutely shocking to me. This is absolutely shocking. I take this, I literally, you and I take for granted because we have our pulse on what's going on in the community. You and I take for granted how little the community knows

of what's actually happening in this town. I do it all the time. My wife is very quick to point that out to me. She's like, people don't know about this. Just because you know about it doesn't mean other people don't know. Other people know. She's like, no, we don't got to save some of the other topics for tomorrow. It's 1.40. We've got to go make some money. Judah Wickauer, Jerry Miller, The I Love Siebel Show.

I want to highlight again, I have multiple groups of, multiple sets of clients, cash buyer clients that are looking to put money on the street and buy businesses locally, multiple ones. We'll save the Mickey Tavern news that we broke for tomorrow. If you're interested in exiting your business, you contact me. We get a percentage of the sale, I'm being upfront to you.

Being upfront, we get a percentage of the sale. I'm being upfront to you Being upfront we get a percentage of the deal But we connect buyers and sellers with business owners that are looking to exit get in and out of stuff Okay, multiple folks you got there Anything you went out to this shoot a week our someone's trying to come in the studio. Why is he trying to come in the studio? I could not tell you. All right. That's the show. Judah Wickauer, Jerry Miller, the I Love C-Ville Show on a Monday.

Thank you kindly for watching and listening. So long, everybody..