The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Shane Lilly Joined Nate Kibler Live On “The White Mountain Ministries Show!”

Episode Date: September 3, 2024

Shane Lilly of Encounter Discipleship Network joined Nate Kibler live on The White Mountain Ministries Show! The White Mountain Ministries Show airs live Tuesday from 2:30 pm – 3:15 pm on The I Love CVille Network. Watch and listen to The White Mountain Ministries Show on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, iTunes, Apple Podcast, YouTube, Spotify, Fountain, Amazon Music, Audible and iLoveCVille.com.

Welcome to the White Mountain Ministry Show. I am your host, Nate Kibler. I thank you for watching. I thank you for listening. I thank you for praying. And I thank you for being a part of what the Lord is going to do through this show today. Hey, this ain't church, y'all, but it is all about the kingdom of God. We're very excited for the show today.

We have Shane Lilly live in studio coming from the valley. I believe Shane is at Waynesboro? Waynesboro area. Waynesboro area. So we are honored to have Shane with us today, an amazing man of God. And it's interesting. We talk about this ain't church y'all. And today so much, I don't even know that I've done this before, but I have on my heart to give the show a title today, a title for the show. And we are going to name it coming out of religion. And so that's going to be a big part of Shane's testimony, a big part of his walk with the Lord. And I believe it's going to be powerful for a lot of people. Cause when we talk about this, ain't church y'all, it's all about the kingdom of God. Like this is not about King. This is not

about religion. This is not about doing church. This is about the kingdom of God and having a relationship with Jesus Christ. And when we have that revelation hit our hearts, it really transforms our walk. And we're not talking about not going to church. Don't hear me on that. It's great if you go to a church that you're being led to go to, but we are going to talk about more about the kingdom of God where it's not about rituals, it's not about being legalistic and just a step-by-step process in your walk and your relationship with God. So Shane, can you put Shane on the screen for us, Judah? I thank my main man, Judah, over here.

I thank Jerry Miller, the I Love Seville Network, for the opportunity and the freedom that they give us to share the gospel on the airways in the city of Charlottesville. It's getting reached all over the world. But welcome, Shane. So good to be here. Thanks for the invitation, Nate. Yeah, of course.

Exciting. So, yeah, you know, I always like you are our kingdom connection for the day. And I always like to let people know how we meet. And the truth is, you know, we originally, I do believe the first time we ever met was at the heart of the home. I think it was like a leaders gathering or one of those regional things. And now it is coming to my mind right now. And, you know, you're a guy that you're a very great person to be around. You carry a lot of joy. You really have the heart of the Father. You're very encouraging. And, you know, that's something that's always stood out to me about you.

And, you know, we both, I think that, you know, you're a guy that I think we both felt it. The Lord, we just had a, you know, connection, I believe, in the Spirit. And we've done some things together since then. You came and spoke at Bridge the Gap in January and some powerful things about it. I remember about the rivers and all the rivers that were being connected that day and a prophetic guy. But yeah, so tell us a little bit more about yourself, Shane. Well, I have been in pastoral ministry for 30 years until just about two years ago. Most recently was 19 years at a church in our area. And I've just seen the Lord do a whole lot of things. The last several years, as I was beginning to encounter just more and more hunger to see God moving in different ways.

And he kept drawing me and drawing me to outside the walls of the church. Just kept drawing me and drawing me to outside the walls of the church. Just kept drawing me. Part of that, Nate, was my wife is part of Advancing Native Missions. She's actually what they call a regional director over the Latin world. Okay. Yeah, yeah. And so we've done a lot of traveling. I've gotten to travel a lot.

And one of the first things I remember remember i was just doing my pastor thing and i went to an a&m conference that you were doing at uh wintergreen and all of these incredible men and women of god would get up and share the incredible things god was doing miraculously miracles and signs and wonders and people just being saved by the hundreds. It's just awesome. And it was so powerful. Nate, I started crying and I couldn't stop. At that point in time in your life, did you not witness those things then? I had a little bit.

And if we have time, I can go back to my roots was that. Well, for you, we have one hour, Shane, which is how long we have for, I can go back to my roots. Was that? Well, for you, we have one hour, Shane, which is how long we have for everyone on this show. Thanks for the warning. Thanks for the warning. Absolutely, we want to hear testimonies for sure. Yeah, so I'll just take you back just real quick. So, you know, my mom and dad were not serving the Lord. I think they'd had encounters.

They'd been born again early in life and had gotten away from the Lord. And they were having troubles in their marriage. And they didn't know what to do. Ended up going out to Oral Roberts University to some kind of marriage conference. And Oral Roberts himself laid hands on my dad. Oh, wow. He went down. Okay.

And then when he came back up, he came home, our whole lives changed. And he started a ministry that I did see people healed. I did see people just miraculous things happening. Um, through your parents. Yeah. My dad, even, you know, I was 12 years old. He would take me and we'd go pray for people that were dying. I watched them healed. So I came from that. And then I felt the call. All the seeds were planted already.

Yeah. And what it did is, as time went on, it's like that was there. Yeah. And then when it was time, and I was so hungry for more, I couldn't do it like I had been doing it anymore. Well, how had you been doing it? Well well it's just um and it's okay we're not like talking negative but this is about coming out of religion and what does religion look like versus what does the kingdom look like essentially yeah yeah well first uh you know and wherever i've been had been marked as either charismatic or pentecostal church but in that this the systemic ways that the church is you can go to any church it's like big box usa and it and it's all the

forms are all the same and there's good men good people but limiting what god really wants to do in a lot of ways. And coming through the years of that, whenever I had a freedom, it seemed like those things would begin to happen. Yeah. You know? And, you know, I remember when I was a youth pastor in Harrisonburg, I was actually going to a midnight church. Okay. And started just allowing the kids to minister and setting up environments

and allowing and releasing them into ministry. And now several of them are pastors. And when we were doing that, we would see sometimes like 500 kids show up at events that we would have. And it was unifying the church. There was a lot of worship. And people get born again. There's healings happening. That was back then.

But then I would take on the pastor chair. Right. And it just seemed like what would happen then is you would settle into this organizational kind of institutional mindset even if there was some life there it seemed like it would be limited muted and over a period of time actually um and i told us the staff or as at last you know i was born into the wild and over a period of time it's like i've been in the zoo and when it was time to be released i had to grow my fangs and my claws back to survive in the wild again yeah and um that's not everybody's thing i mean there's a lot of good people but for me i i was got had gotten

dull and one of the first things that happened along the way, after that time at A&M, I started waking up. I just couldn't shuffle papers and, you know, just do like I had done it before. And the community just started coming alive to me. I had to be out in the community. And I started forming more relationships, other pastors, other people in the community out there, and seeing some salvation, praying for people more. And one of the things at the church I was at, we had a sabbatical policy. After seven years, you could take about three months and just refresh. And so I said, man, I want to go and spend time at Global Awakening School. So they sent me.

They actually sent me to the school. Okay. Oh, my goodness. And that was the beginning of the end. That was like the moment. That was. Somebody prayed for you or you had somebody give you a word. Wasn't there somebody somewhere gave you a word that was, I feel like you've told me before.

Yeah, well, part of that, part of the connection. What was it, Mark Malvise? Mark gave me a word. He gave me a word. Sorry, keep going. Yeah. Yeah. So the connection there that you're talking about with global awakening. Um, earlier on, um, I guess maybe four or five years before a gentleman that just flows in the prophetic was in a meeting I was in and he looked at me and he said, your last name was Lily, isn't it?

I go, yes. Said the Lord is telling me you're the Lily of the Shenandoah Valley. The Valley is yours. What do you do with that? I don't know what to do with that. But I was reflecting back to those events I was telling you about with these kids in Harrisonburg at the Mennonite Church. The language was, we're going to take the valley. That was what was happening. It was like it was in my heart.

And these events were happening, connecting the church and seeing God move through the unity of the body of Christ was happening in that context. And I was just hungry for more. And then I come to this place, Global Awakening, and, um, it was every day, eight hours a day underneath the glory of God. You know, we, I didn't know what to expect. And the first thing that happened, you'd go there the first day. So tomorrow, make sure you wear comfortable clothes because we're going to meet for a couple hours and we're hitting the streets. So you'd meet, be in the presence of God, and every night you'd hit the streets. And all of us were seeing signs and wonders and miracles happening.

People coming out of wheelchairs, blind seeing, skin diseases being healed. And I was like, oh, okay. Normal kingdom life, right? Kingdom life. It's like this is what's going on daily life yeah wonders yeah and so i got it's like okay this this is where it's at this is you know and so one uh one of the meetings man i don't know who touched me something happened i went down in the spirit and i was on the floor and I saw a vision of the valley. It was like one of those raised maps.

And all of a sudden I see a little fire, another little fire, another little fire, another little fire. And before I knew it, the whole valley is ablaze. And those fires were connecting and connecting until the whole the whole thing was burning well of course i'm i'm holding on to that i was like okay this is you're the lily of the valley the valley is yours no pressure no pressure at all you know the good thing is he's not calling us to do it on our own. And that's, yes, amen to that. And that's been amazing. We talk about, we have a lot of national leaders on the show,

but the Lord has definitely put it on my heart to have regional leaders, and you are a regional leader. So maybe you can even just see, I mean, I guess you're given a bit of a vision the Lord gave you for the Valley, but maybe you can talk in more detail about what you see the Lord doing. I know that he's connecting ministries, he's connecting churches, these regional meetings that Barbara Shaw, as we know, a dear friend has been incredibly instrumental in helping lead. And you've been a part of that as well. So maybe you can share about some of that.

Yeah. And so the first view of it was through Barbara. I just met Barbara, a friend of mine, said, Hey, I got this friend, Barb up Timberville, and we're going to go meet. Won't you come? So I come. I met Barb. She had the same vision, a little bit different than mine, but it was Fire Valley. And then I meet somebody else, same vision, same vision. And it's like, wow, the Lord is building an incredible unity, a network of people that are connected. And it's like we're a big

team. Like the puzzle pieces coming together. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and as I began to move as a pastor into more of an apostolic type of thing that was moving in, I'm just seeing how the Lord is moving all through. And that's not just the valley. I know that. But my focus. I feel like it's a big team. And you know. One of the things that I had spoke. When you and I were together.

At Encountership. Speaking about what is the role of a pastor. As a shepherd. Well one of the things that's happened in the body of Christ. Is the shepherd has moved. Without the connection of the fivefold ministry. And what happens is you, in your shepherd heart, you take and you keep all of your sheep in the fold and nobody else. And they better not get out and go to the fold. But what I'm seeing in the kingdom is it's a big team. And we are all in this thing together, building and just taking our part, taking our role, working together.

Someone else may have a different strength and anointing and stuff that God's doing in their lives. Man, I'll tell my people, go be part of that. You'll be strengthened in that. He's just another team member. There is no threat. The traditional church model that we've seen for, I guess, many years is bring people in to the church and keep them in the church. We may send you out on a mission trip for a week, but you're coming back to the church, where the model that we saw with Jesus was bring people in to raise them up, equip them, and then send them out.

Yep. And that's what we do. And counter discipleship network, that is what we call our ministry. So the way it was birthed, I'll give you a free plug. Thank you. Of course. I'm just messing with you. Thanks, Nate. So my hunger kept going. And finally, there was a time where there was going to be some transitions in the church. And my wife and I went away, and we fasted and prayed. And from Genesis, Abraham's journey, the Lord spoke to me to finish Genesis 12. And it's like, I'm going to send you a place you don't know.

And there's a whole lot of different details through that scripture. I knew he was speaking to us and it was time. And, you know, people will say, oh, Shane, you're such a man of faith. I was terrified. I didn't know what I was doing. And what he was calling me to do was to go make and multiply disciples. I had seen it in Cuba. I had seen it in Tibet. I hadn't seen it in the United States. And Renee and I, neither one knew what we were doing, but we stepped out just because God said so. And so, you know, all of the connectivity that's going on in the valley as all of us are together in the kingdom, building these disciples that are just maturing and going out on fire.

And they are starting these fires all over the place. It's not one man trying to get a fire going. It's all of us together igniting and blowing the wind of the Spirit on these young people, old people, whatever. And they're going out and they're beginning to create fires all over the valley. Yeah, the body of Christ, we're called to be connected, not divided. Yes. 157 different denominations. I don't even know how many there are.

Yeah, I don't have any idea. Anyways. Yeah, so raising disciples. I mean, my goodness how many there are. I don't have any idea. Anyways. Yeah, so raising disciples. I mean, my goodness, that's incredible. So what is raising disciples? What does that really look like for you when you say you're raising disciples? Can you give us some more detail? Yeah, that's a good question because if you say that to a room full of 50 pastors,

you're going to get 50 different answers, right? Yeah. To me, what that means is it's relational. I used to say this all the time. All the years I was preaching from the pulpit, somebody asked me, they said, how many sermons do you think that they remember that you preached over the years? I was like, Hmm, that's a good question. I don't think they can remember them the next day. They might have a good feeling about it. Even when I hear good sermons, a lot of times I forget it by the next

day. Yeah. There might be one or two things that stay with me from a really good one, but I, yeah. Yeah. But you may be able to say who was at least one person in your life that has invested in you that changed the course of your life. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. The disciple maker is the one that invests in someone beyond the sermon. It's relational. Jesus, in Mark 3, starting in verse 13, he says that he brought to himself those he wanted with him to be his

constant companions and he called them his apostles he went from disciples to apostles his sent ones at that time and he wanted them to be with him so that he could send them there we go send them to heal the sick cast out demons and preach the good news of the gospel. Amen. And what does that look like? That looks like that's relational. It's like you're investing, you're walking with. It's a daily process.

It's a weekly. So what we do is we walk with people that god sends us we uh we do have a meeting we do meet at our house and uh we set patterns of discipleship so that people that are with us can easily go do the same thing that we're doing so there's there's training involved and there's patterns involved. And so when they go out, they can start doing the same thing. So does religion have a problem with that? Did you face heat when you did that? Because I mean, how, what did that look like? But a lot of times religion gets mad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you that you faced, uh, I haven't been persecuted out of it, but I tell you this, that some of those things

that happened, for instance, uh, baptism, you know, I believe that, um, Matthew 28, starting verse 18, when it says, go make disciples, baptizing them, that that wasn't just the pastors that was every believer. And, you know, there's different levels of, I guess, religion that would say, oh, no, no, no. It's got to be the man of the cloth or whatever. Well, just recently, we had our septic go out of the house. So it's like if you could find us, you could come join us. So we were meeting in Waynesboro. There's a prayer rooms in Waynesboro now.

And it's close to the South River. And we met at the prayer rooms, and one of the young ladies, Gerilyn, that's with us, had a friend that she witnessed to a couple years before, had not wanted Jesus. She had gotten involved in New Age. And she calls Gerilyn, and she says i think i have demons i'm having panic attacks and anxiety and i i can't sleep um people think it that's almost a sure sign usually that they do yeah because 98 of us are people that have them usually have no idea right right that was great good discernment on her Yeah. I don't know where she was in her, in her walk with the Lord, but good discernment. Yeah. This girl, she just needed Jesus, man. She just needed Jesus. So she shows up and right there

we were able to lead her to the Lord. She got delivered of demons. And because we were by the river, we'd go to baptize her right away. Some people that I've been with would have a problem with baptizing somebody right off the bat. But that's what I see the pattern of the New Testament with Jesus, with John the Baptist, with Paul. I mean... Hey, I'm going to share something personal on that really quickly because, I mean, a lot of you guys who watch the show know my testimony. I was once radically delivered from multiple demons where someone prayed over me. And, you know, years of anger and depression and anxiety and addictions all came flying out. I mean, before, I give the man who prayed for me so much credit.

You talk about not being in fear. He knew my house was swept clean because literally within 30 minutes they were praying over him. And I remember I had my hands on the back of his head praying for him. That's how quickly the transformation started to take place in my life. But two days later, that man baptized me. And he baptized my wife. Being in the room, it was so powerful for my wife. Even being in the room, who grew up as an agnostic family, never gave her life to Jesus.

She gave her life to Jesus just being in the room. And we got baptized together two days later. And then within five weeks, signs and wonders became a part of her life. But like you said, religion would say, no way. Don't do that. And the other thing then is, you know, we did it right away. And I purposely did this. All of us, the whole group of us, all walked to the river, which was down the block.

And I said, I'm not getting in the water today. Gerilyn is the one who brought her. Gerilyn is the one that's going to disciple her. Yeah. And so Gerilyn is the one that's going to baptize her. And that's been a pattern that we set. Do you think it matters who baptizes you? No.

I mean, I hope it's somebody, a believer would baptize a new believer, of course. But, you know, part of that is... But I think it was important in that moment that you asked her to baptize her because she was going to be the one that was going to disciple her. Yeah. I feel like oftentimes if I baptize someone, there's a responsibility there. Yeah. And I do believe that.

There is a responsibility. And Gerilyn knew that going in because she'd walked with us. She knew. So going in there, she knew. So the results of that then is Gerilyn now is discipling several people at her apartment, and Sam, the new believer, is one of them, and bringing other new believers. And I truly believe that if in the kingdom of God, it's not about coming to the church to learn how to be a member of the church.

It's being in the kingdom and allowing the power of God to touch. Where there's proclamation, there needs to be demonstration. And when that happens, somebody's born again, I believe a disciple maker, the one that won them to Jesus, can be and should be somehow involved in the disciple making of that person. So that's why I said, you're going to baptize them. You know, yeah, no, that's good. So thank you guys for listening.

Thank you for being a part of the show today. Please share the show, guys. This is how the show gets shared and is already being watched in different countries around the world. Because I do not have all of these connections, but you guys will and your friends will when they watch it and they share it. So if you're being blessed by the show, that is, if you're getting fed by the show, that's really the most important thing that you guys can do is share the show. So thank you for that. All right. You know, we talk, you talk a little bit about the septic. So you mentioned the septic, and that's a great story.

Because we love to share testimonies on this show. And many times we're talking about people getting delivered and people getting healed. And that's the kingdom of God, and that's amazing. But God can be and is involved in so many areas of our life. A lot of times there's some faith, there's relationship, there's things that are required. It's not always a simple thing. Sometimes there's actions that's required of us for the miracle to take place. As we know, I mean, I do not believe that when Jesus prayed for the blind man,

that when he told him to go to the pool of Siloam and to wash, I believe that was part of the miracle. That was part, it was with specific intent i do not believe and i think the scripture should well i do not believe that if he had not gone and washed it he would have seen yeah right it was part of the miracle and sometimes there's things that are required of us so anyways i think it's a really cool story maybe you can share some about that yeah just real quick you know um we live in an older house, and we have like a 700-square-foot living room, so we can fit sometimes 40 people in there. Big living room. Right?

It's pretty big. And so one day my wife's down in the basement. She comes up, something's wrong down there. Something's leaking. And I go down and say, oh, no, that's septic. No one ever wants to hear that. Nobody wants to hear that. Long story short, we did all of the troubleshooting we could do and could not find what the problem was.

Had to call Roto-Rooter. Roto-Rooter comes out, and they go, oh, no, you've got a mess. Found out that our septic in this old house, they had built an addition over the septic tank so it's in the crawl space when they come out they they basically said we got to get the owner out here and he'll he'll kind of give you a quote for it's going to take and he's like is you're going to have to get a new tank and it's going to have to meet code you have to dig up your whole um what they call it your um septic system yeah the whole sector system and the uh drain field you have to dig all that all up and you basically have to replace the whole thing so he was talking a big number of cost

you know and we had just stepped out in faith here just a couple years ago we're you know it's like wow okay lord and the lord spoke what kind of cost was he talking it could have been 40 50 000 for something like that you know because we have three bedrooms two bathrooms you know so you have to have the appropriate size tank, and then just a lot of complications to the whole thing. So anyway, in the whole deal, the Lord spoke to me. He says, I'm going to take care of you. I'm going to do it through my body, and it's for their good as much as yours. I said, okay, cool.

Nate, next thing you know, I'm getting a phone call. Hey, heard about your septic. I've got access to all the equipment you need. I'll dig it out, whatever you need. And that was going to cost like the first hour is going to be $1,500 just right off the top. And it's like, all right. Things are not cheap these days. No. And then along the way, people would call and say, hey, listen, man, I can help you whatever you need to do.

And I didn't even know it. One of the guys that comes, meets in our living room with us, he used to lay septic pipe. He used to lay septic systems. So he knew the right angles, how to lay it so that it's, you know, all that kind of stuff. So basically, a lot of people just showed up. One day, I look out, and there's like 10 people out there digging in my yard, digging in my stuff. And they got it completed. Was it a messy job?

Messy job. Was it? Yes. Yeah, bless them. Yeah, and they were in it without complaining. They just blessed us. Who knows that complaining is not of the kingdom of God? That's exactly right.

I have to remind myself that sometimes too. Yeah, me too. Yeah, but it was such a blessing watching the kingdom of God. These people are from all different aspects of the kingdom. I'm watching one young man. He came from ultra-conservative Mennonite. We're talking just one step away from buggy. He is experiencing grace.

He's one of the guys that had his shovel right down in the poo. And he. I think we're okay to say that. We okay with that? We okay with that, Judah? We can. All right. He's like, okay.

So, you know, oh this young man i've never seen anybody so transformed in such a big period of time he he is a different guy and he's experiencing grace like he never he is he's funny to be around because life has just opened up to him it's like he's in this big, spacious place like a little puppy running around with his ear flopping. And he's hilarious just figuring out grace. Gosh, it's amazing what the Lord can teach you through digging poo. I'm telling you right now, y'all are going to laugh, and this is funny. But I know I'm just going to have to share this because it's taking me back to the moment. Because it sounds like this guy is learning some things through digging poo yeah and you know when i i was out and seeing signs and wonders in

my life and preaching and all these things and well you know guess what happened is uh we uh my wife got pregnant with three babies at one time and then when she gave birth to those babies everything in ministry basically stopped yeah because their survival was dependent upon us. It was in the middle of COVID. And, but I, you know, for those first couple of months, I'll be, and I was a little bitter and like, Lord, you know, it's like, you will, you know, 98, in my mind, I was like 98% of the Christians are not willing to do what I'm willing to do. And you want me to sit here and change poopy diapers every day. I remember saying that to the Lord. But it's amazing what he taught me through that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, and to watch the body of Christ surround us so easily in something that's just so messy. Yeah. It was just so good. And the Lord said they were going to be blessed as much as we are. So I'm trusting that they have been. So, yeah, it's just been good. That is good.

It's been good. Who knew we were going to have a conversation about poo today on the show? I know, right? Thank you, guys. You know what? That's the thing about the kingdom, too. Like, I don't take myself too serious, you know, in the sense of, like, the kingdom is fun. Like, you can joke around.

Of course, like, I always like to say that the kingdom is fun, but it's not a game. You know, it's serious business. But, like, we should have fun. Like you can joke around. Of course, like I always like to say that the, um, the kingdom is fun, but it's not a game, you know, it's serious business, but like, we should have fun. Like guys, we should be having fun in our everyday Christian walk. If it consists of just going to church and a Bible study, not that I'm condemning that, but I just want you to know, like it can be so much more. Yeah. And this, and this walk with the Lord is in the lord god knows the lord has a sense of humor he does he's so funny i mean the lord has a sense of humor he does so we talk about you you know coming out of all the the religious ways and how you know 30 years as a pastor and you know stepping out of that and you're raising disciples and doing things in a different way i do believe in a much

more kingdom way it sounds like now and you know you use the word apostle, and that's a word that a lot of people struggle with, is apostle. And is that for today? And it's hilarious. I mean, I've probably shared this before today on the show, but I wanted to quote it. You guys give me just a minute. You know what? Just start sharing about being an apostle and what that looks like and why that is for today. I don't even want to use that word for me. People have given me like, hey, Shane, you're apostolic. Yeah.

And I think it comes because, you know, we're out here and we're in the kingdom and we're seeing churches planted. We're bringing strength and encouragement to the whole body of Christ. And I'm telling you, I'm having fun. I'm having a blast. And it's connection with all these other people. Now, one of the things that I think I was probably, when I was saying before, you know, I have a pastor's heart. I still pastor people. The thing that I've learned is, is we, I taught years, you know, about the five-fold ministry, Ephesians 4. I could probably quote it word for word right now.

And, but I never realized, you know, really what it what it is and anybody and most anybody i've ever been around they could tell you what a pastor is they could tell you what a teacher is they have funny ideas about what an evangelist is right he's just a really good orator that comes and has revival we're gonna have revival next week they don't understand the signs and wonders and miracles that a true evangelist walks in and and coming in and and giving that gift away then the prophet he's somebody that's half crazy i mean this is according to where i've come from yeah you know he's the guy that gets on youtube and says i heard the word uh psychic yeah people don't understand that guy's psychic yeah yeah and and we don't even have a clue who an apostle is.

Right. And people that have taken on that title have sometimes abused it then. Yeah. But, you know, when I'm coming out and I'm going, wow, there's a whole world. And if a pastor is not connected in a five-fold true ministry relationship. He is going to just mill around with the sheep in the sheepfold, and they're just going to kind of take care of each other. But when it's with an apostolic gift, now you're seeing the whole kingdom.

And when you see the whole kingdom, there is so much empowerment. There is so much presence and Holy Spirit that it propels you to go. It propels you. So now you're going to raise healthy sheep that have the whole. Jesus is the fivefold ministry. Right. The fivefold ministry represents all the ministries of Jesus Jesus was the apostle of apostles the prophet of prophets the evangelist of evangelists right

yeah yeah and so so when you know you have the pastoral gift all by itself it's going to nurture it's it's going to you know connect people but then when you bring it out into a true five-fold thing, you have the full ministry of Jesus with the teaching, the prophetic, you know, and people will begin to walk in an empowerment that they've never walked in before. And it's just natural. And the thing is, too, is like we want these labels. Like people want these labels. They want these titles, right? And you were a pastor for, what, 30 years?

Yeah. But God has given you grace to be apostolic, to be prophetic, right? And even myself, for years, I would look. And even when we were doing teaching last year, we got invited to teach on the Five-Fold Ministry. Well, they invited, you were invited in to speak about being pastor, right? Yeah, yeah. I was invited to speak on evangelist. And it's like, I almost put myself in a box. Not that I wanted the title by any means,

but put myself in a box. It's like, I see myself almost by definition as an evangelist, you know, for so long. And then, well, you know, beginning of this year, the Lord calls me to put the event together at the bridge of gap. He's calling me to do the show. He's called me to go into other nations. And not that I'm giving myself any kind of titles, but he's given me grace to do apostolic things. Yeah. And so I don't think that we should ever put ourselves in a box and like, this is our title and this is who we are. Yeah. And I believe truly that fivefold ministry is more functions than titles.

Right. They're functions than titles. Right. They're functions. Yes. And when the empowerment, the grace for that, the apostles are going to see things differently than the pastor. Right. From the throne of God, that's it. They're going to see it.

And they need each other. They need each other. Yeah, I cannot remember the exact story, but someone shared something with me one time about if you saw an accident and how different a pastor would react to it, cannot remember the exact story, but someone shared something with me one time about when you, if you saw an accident and how different a pastor would react to it, how different the apostle would react to it, how different the, you know, the, the, the different five folds would react. It's just interesting. But at the end of the day, he created us all unique. He did. He did. And

that's a beautiful thing. I don't need to look like Shane. Shane doesn't look, need to look like Judah, but we all need to look like Jesus. So I't need to look like Judah. But we all need to look like Jesus. So I'm going to read Ephesians 4 just because I said I would. I don't want to not read it. Because, you know, people, and this is, I don't even debate these things. If you think that apostles and prophets are not for today, then that's your choice to believe that. But what does the scripture say? It says, this is Ephesians 4.10.

He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens in order to fill the whole universe. So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors, and teachers to equip his people for works of service so that the body of Christ may be built up. All right, here's the key. Does it say until the end of the book of Acts? No, it does not. It says until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Amen. So I'm not even going to be mean, but all I'm

going to say is I can tell you right now that we have not reached unity in the faith and all become mature in the body of Christ. Yeah. Any thoughts on that? I know I'm still growing. Yeah, but what I'm experiencing now is just this world that's opened up to see where these gifts truly function. And those that are underneath a true five-fold ministry, they're the ones I'm watching that are maturing like crazy, and they're out, and they're actually seeing lives transform around them. Now, not that you don't see that in the church,

but it's just phenomenal to watch. And I was just, you know, some of the episodic guys i know is like so tell me what's your definition of a apostle in the simplest form it's like a father a father yep so can you talk can you maybe say like what what would you say is the for people who maybe really don't understand we've been been of course trying to talk about but what would you say is the, for people who maybe really don't understand, we've been, been of course trying to talk about, but what would you say is the biggest difference between religion and the kingdom of God? Oh man. I think it's in Hebrews says that Jesus came and his blood cleanses you from dead works so that you can have life. And I think what religion does, it gives you a form

without the power. It gives you a lot of formulas and forms and walking in the flesh to try to please God. The kingdom is, is God is already pleased with you. He loves you. He embraces you. And he will be your father, will take care of you. And you have nothing to do with it except to say thank you and follow him. That's it. Get ourselves out of the mix. Yes. It's amazing when we get ourselves out of the mix what he does through us. Yeah.

Yeah. And, you know, and that whole thing is, you know, people that are caught religion, they're just trying their best to overcome guilt, shame, all kinds of stuff. Always trying to measure up. Yeah, always trying to measure up. They don't know where they stand. They just have to work harder. Price has already been paid. Yeah.

Yep. We're saved by grace through faith, not by our works. Not by works. So look, here's a fun part of the show. We still have about 15 minutes left. You guys share. Thank you for watching. Comment.

Tell us where you're watching from today. And we're going to hear some more testimonies. I would love to, I mean, you talk about some things in Cuba and other parts, and I know there's some testimonies maybe that are on your heart. So share some good testimonies, Shane. We have all kinds of good testimonies on this show, don't we, Judah? I'm just kidding. We're not trying, nobody's trying to top anybody, but give us something good. You know, I just need to tell you this, that where our vision came from was being able to travel overseas after the A&M incident and,

you know, being able then to travel a lot from Cambodia to Tibet to all over Latin America, is these incredible men and women of God. And, you know, I got to go to Cuba and there's a man named Emilio there. And the very first time I met him, I was starting to feel all of these things and I was getting, I would say a, uh, holy discontent. I don't think it was sin. I think God was making me discontent with where I was. And I'm around a lot of good people, a lot of people that love Jesus, but I'm discontent. And he hugs me up and he whispers in his broken English, he says, you see the church differently, and it's okay. And he gave me permission to dream.

And all of a sudden, he's showing me what discipleship looks like, an explosion going all through Cuba where thousands of churches are being planted. And he has one, I don't know if it's a one time a year event i think i was telling you this before where we renee and i were asked to come speak it was four days 2200 people each day were filling up this stadium seating and i remember the first day god was moving so strongly that I had a word of knowledge. I was able to, by the spirit, I could detect what was sickness in somebody's body, but it wasn't just one person. Nate, I've never had this happen before or after. I looked around this stadium and I could have told you what was going on with every single person in that room. I don't know if it's ever happened to anybody else.

It freaked me out. I didn't know what to do. And Emilio, he is the most humble guy. He is not even, he never was on the stage. And I was looking for him. What do I do? What do I do? What do I do?

And I find him. He's way back in the back of the crowd, and he's laughing at me because he can see I'm struggling. And he's like, ah, and so I just basically said, Hey, you know, there's this sickness and this sickness and this sickness. And I said, if you need, if you need prayer, come down. I should have never done that. I mean, as they emptied the stadium, they all came at me. of course you should have done that I'm telling you what it's just like well they finally had to take Renee and I and just kind of escort us out

because it was just mobbed it was just a mob but I think part of that was is the move of God was so strong and you step into these places and it's so awesome to be used by god where he's moving i think and that's that's part of coming away out of religion is instead of trying so hard to serve

him you just find out what he's doing and you just get into what he's doing follow his voice well you said that that's never happened with you since? Not to that extent. Well, you know what? I believe it is, and I declare that it will again and again and again in Jesus' name. All right. Praise the Lord. I mean, I think it's a gift. Amen.

I mean, I've seen, I know that you have a prophetic voice. Yeah. You know, it's fun because we meet every Thursday in our living room. And, you know, part of what you're asking about with, you know, how do we do discipleship? Well, I believe that, you know, this encounter discipleship network, that everything comes from that encounter with God first. So we basically treasure and value the presence of God over anything else. So when we're in a living room, it's a natural thing, naturally supernatural thing, that so many people are getting healed of all kinds of little things, big things.

It's just like when you come, you're just going to be healed. Regardless of what it is, anytime anybody gets healed of anything, I always promise the Lord that even if it's a bum ankle or a broken fingernail, I will rejoice and it's always amazing to me. It is. It really is. And we're looking at the opposite side. I mean, it's just as easy. Like, you know, people like put cancer and diabetes on a pedestal,

but it's not any harder for God to heal cancer as it is for him to heal somebody with a bad back. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's right. That's right. So another story real quick. I was in Tibet, and we were visiting a missionary there. And so he had wanted us to go up into the higher regions. So I found myself at like 17 000 feet above sea level in this little yurt thing so hard to breathe up there yeah yeah praise the lord i was the only

one that didn't get out to two sickness thank you jesus wow yeah yeah so we're in this year that's a thing but now i do yeah it feels like the flu oh really yeah yeah so i'm in this yurt with this um lady that's you know looks like i'm in national geographic magazine and the day before we had seen the dalai lama there's like 175 000 people that had gathered to see the Dalai Lama. And there was a group of young guys with us. And I could tell one of them was pretty rough. I didn't speak the language. But the things that they were doing and laughing about, I knew he wasn't born again. Well, now I find myself in a yurt with two of the disciple makers, two of the ministers.

And they're up there to witness to this tribe. And this little Buddhist lady, they got the whole Buddhist thing behind the stove with all of the silver little cups of water and little bells. And she's making yak butter tea. False idols, basically. Yeah, yeah. She's making yak butter tea for us. Okay. Yeah, they just milked a yak.

I thought you were saying like they're little shrines or something. Yeah. No, that was a shrine in the back. Oh, it was, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But she's over there cooking dinner. And while they're cooking,

this one little thing, it may not seem big to anybody else, but it just flipped me upside down, changed my life. So I asked about the young man that was with us. And I said, who was that? I said, it was a friend. He was a disciple. I said, a disciple?

I didn't think he was born again. He said, well, he's not. I said, well, how can he be a disciple? And they looked at me and they said, discipleship starts before you're born again. Don't you know that? And it flipped me upside down. I said, tell me what you mean. And they were like, you disciples, you walk with people.

Some people are born again instantly. Some people, especially in your realm of influence, you're planting seed, planting seed. That's good. And you are discipling them to the cross. Yes. And then when they cross over that line, you're there. And you begin to disciple them to maturity,

like it's talking about in Ephesians 4. Yeah, that's really good. Yeah. That was miraculous to me. I saw signs and wonders there too, but it was just amazing. Yeah, well, the teaching moments, I enjoy sharing the testimonies the most, not necessarily the biggest miracles, but the ones where the Lord really taught me something. Yeah, yeah.

I know if he can teach me, he'll teach other people through that testimony. Yeah. That's awesome. Thank you, brother. So we're getting close on time. We may have about five minutes left or so. But I always ask people this towards the end of the show. Do you have anything on your heart

for the city of Charlottesville or for the show in general? Man, I think Charlottesville or for the show in general? Man, I think Charlottesville, ooh, Nate, thank you for asking. I think Charlottesville, it's been hard ground. Yeah. And I just can feel a movement that is something has begun to change in Charlottesville that I think that Charlottesville as a people, there's, God is getting ready to do something. I'm watching, it seems like even the body of Christ has come together a little more than it's ever had before. It doesn't mean it's a lot.

Yeah, I see it. Yeah, and it's almost like, you know, that little poofy cloud with the prophet. It says, I see, I hear the sound of rain just from seeing a little cloud. I see the cloud, but I hear rain. And I believe truly that Charlottesville is right on the cusp of something beginning to happen that's not happened from the Spirit. There's an opening. I believe that a lot of the seeds have been planted the prayers have been prayed we're getting ready to see some of that break open i don't know what it looks like

yeah um yeah so you know i'm excited about something like that i know that some of the things that you brought together is the show and different things um even that has been a real move forward you know bringing people together may have not gotten together before. There's a unity. And just letting people see that it can be different and it can be a fun walk and that it is truly not about religion but about a relationship with God. Yeah, yeah. Jesus never said you go out and be Methodist and you be Pentecostal and you be non-denominational he said

seek first the kingdom of god and he said follow me yeah yeah yeah and you know i truly believe that you know i talked about and this is true i saw this in the spirit there's streams that are coming together all different believers from different areas and different denominations coming out of that and the stream is the unity. It's the empowerment of the Holy Spirit flow as people come. And I believe your show is going to be part of that. It is part of that. It's bringing people together.

Yeah, we're bringing people together for sure. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Well, we're honored that you've been with us today. Is there anything else on your heart before we get off here? I hope this has been good. I know I've really enjoyed it, Nate. Thank you so much. Yeah, man. You've been a blessing and we had some

fun and I know that people will be blessed by it. So thank you, brother. Thank you so much. So guys, we thank you for watching the show today. We thank you for sharing the show today. I speak life and love and healing over your bodies and your minds in the name of Jesus. And so next week we will have Jonathan Brenneman on live. He will be coming live from Brazil. Amazing man of God. He has just written a new book. I believe it's called The Mechanics of Miracles and going to be a really good show. So we just thank you guys and bless you in Jesus' name. Have a good week. That was fun. Thanks, Dave. Thank you.