The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Shawn Boone Joined Nate Kibler Live On “The White Mountain Ministries Show”

Episode Date: January 14, 2025

Shawn Boone of Forerunner Movement and Shawn Boone Ministries joined Nate Kibler live on The White Mountain Ministries Show! The White Mountain Ministries Show airs live Tuesday from 2:30 pm – 3:30 pm on The I Love CVille Network. Watch and listen to The White Mountain Ministries Show on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, iTunes, Apple Podcast, YouTube, Spotify, Fountain, Amazon Music, Audible and iLoveCVille.com. “The White Mountain Ministries Show” is presented by Opening Doors Real Estate.

Welcome to the White Mountain Ministry Show. I am your host, Nate Kibler. I thank you for watching, for listening, for praying, and for being a part of what the Lord is going to do through this show today. Hey, this ain't church, y'all. It is all about the kingdom of God. We are excited for today's show. Sean Boone, my brother in Christ,

is going to be joining us live from Bluefield, Virginia. And can't wait to see what Sean's going to bring today and everyone that's going to be blessed by the show. But we just thank you guys for watching from all around the world. We thank our partnership and sponsor with Opening Doors Real Estate and Melanie Morris. I actually see that Melanie Morris is watching live right now. So she's not just a sponsor. She is a true supporter of this show and this ministry. So we love you and David Melanie. So if you guys need real estate, buy or sell in Rutgersville, opening doors, real estate and Melanie Morris. Okay, guys,

a couple things. First of all, if you would share the show today, that would be amazing. Comment, tell us where you're coming in from. If you have comments or questions for Sean and myself, this is how people are watching the show literally all over the world through you guys sharing it. So a couple of things really quick before I bring Sean on. We do have Bridge the Gap. And Judah, I don't know. I sent this to you late. You probably can't put it up now, but maybe at some point during the show, I sent an email

to you if you can get it up. There is a Bridge the Gap flyer. But our Bridge the Gap, our one-day conference is going to be this Saturday, January 18th in Ruckersville, Virginia at the Guilford Farm wedding venue, which is 743 Welsh Run Road in Ruckersville. This is going to be like a 12 hour event, guys. It's going to be basically 10 to 10. We're going to provide food during the afternoon. We have multiple speakers coming in from around the country, Candace Smitheman, Darby Slayton, John Martin, myself. It's going to be a fire-filled day. We have a lot of youth and people that have

been in revival the past year that are going to be leading the worship. And this past year was amazing. We're not going to try to duplicate that, but I'm just very excited to see what God is going to do with that event. And for this region, Sean was there this past year as well. So I know that he would say that too. Okay. So Bridge the Gap this Saturday, we would love to see you guys there. I think Judah is on the screen right now. All right. So you guys can see it. That's the flyer for the event this weekend. So we would love for you guys to come be a part of it. Just reach out, email me, text me, let me know if you will be there. So we have a pretty good count on the food and also on, on the, on the chairs. So bless you guys. All right. Um, come if you need healing in your

bodies to healing your mind, your body, uh, in Jesus name, there's going to be people that will be healed and set free on Saturday. All right. so one more thing I'm going to talk about this is kind of a joke but it's uh hopefully we'll get Sean laughing a little bit too I don't know who I had my my Redskins beanie on for a lot of the day I did not bring it on the show I know Jerry Miller's back there excited too but the white we don't call them the Redskins but in my in my heart in my home they will always be known as the Redskins. The first time in 19 years, they won a playoff game two nights ago. Well, Jerry's back, back there hollering. Okay. This is 19 years ago. We just started our 20th year, two days ago, my wife and I, the day that we started dating the Redskins

beat the bucks in the playoffs. We were celebrating our anniversary two nights ago and they beat the Bucs once again. The day that my son was born was the Kirk Cousins. You liked that game. The greatest comeback in Redskins history. So I don't know what it has to do with life events in my life and the Redskins beating the Bucs, but there you go. And I will let Sean talk about this. I'm sure he's super, super excited. It's not like he'd be a Cowboys fan, but I actually think that Sean Boone is a Cowboys fan. Yeah, he's a Cowboys fan. So bring Sean on. We're just going to talk about that for a second before we get rolling. Let me know when we can see Sean. All right. What's up, Sean? Hey, what's going on? You kind of put me on front street,

right? Yes, that's how we like to do things, But I know you can handle it. Did you watch the game two nights ago? I did. I did. And here's the crazy thing. We have a good mutual friend, Brian Hume, right? Correct. He's a big Redskins fan. Oh, yeah.

And I told him, you know, hey, I'm rooting for the Redskins, right? And he said, how are you doing that as a Cowboys fan? I said, Jaden Daniels, this is a man of faith. He's open about his faith. He gives credit to the Lord Jesus with everything that he's done. Zach Ertz is a Christian as well. So, man, I have to, man. And I call them the Redskins too because that's all I've known them by.

Right. So, absolutely. Well, enough sports talk. We usually don't talk about sports, but I'm allowed to be excited about that. You know, I have a flesh too. And, uh, you know, the, the thing is like, we can talk about like the majority of our conversations have to do with the kingdom of God. They have to do with our family, but you know, we like to talk about other things too, and that's okay. Absolutely. So welcome Sean Boone. Say hi to our audience. You're coming in from Bluefield, Virginia today, right? Absolutely. I appreciate it. Hi to you and all of the audience that's listening. And it's just an honor and a privilege to be here today. Yeah, well, thank you, brother.

We've known each other for a couple of years now. I like to share how I met people. Most of the people that we have on the show, these are real relationships that have been established over time. We met the first time a couple years back. I think it was almost exactly or a little over two years ago. We met, of course, through Barbara Shaw at the heart of the home, who we both love dearly. I think you probably remember this, but I had something at the time going on in my body that should not have been there. It was not good, but I had something at the time going on in my body that should not have been there. It was not good. Uh, but there was a, uh, kidney stone and it was, uh, uh, it was a very large kidney stone. And I had you pray over me. It was the first time we had ever met, uh,

to have healing in my body. And I remember the Lord gave you a vision and you did like this, you saw it like a whirlpool. And I don't think you knew what the vision meant, but that's what you saw. And when you said that, what I thought it meant is that I was going to, you know, pee out that kidney stone because it was eight millimeters long. The doctors told me it would be impossible for me to pass that stone naturally. About two weeks, I think, after that night, you know, I'd been drinking a lot of water. I was not in pain, but it was still there. And there was a day that, um, I, I did not feel pain. It was a, a feeling that I don't even want to, I don't even know I could describe and never felt anything

like it, but it was like, what was that? And I looked in the toilet and there's that eight millimeter kidney stone. And I just started praising Jesus. But anyways, that's how we met. You made it swirl after that. Yes. Well, yeah, I actually, believe it or not, I went in there and pulled it out of the toilet. Oh, okay. Yeah, well, it's probably wisdom, yeah, to do that. But anyways, so yeah, Sean, we, you know, honored to have you. You're an amazing man of God. You're a family man.

And you've been sharing the gospel, I think you said, for 19 years. And you have a lot of experience. And it's been a lot of ups and downs over that time, would you say? Ups and downs and all arounds, I like to say. Yeah, and I love it that you're a straight shooter, and you're going to call it like it is. And, you know, I just want to hear because, you know, this 19 years, you know, you haven't necessarily always been a disciple of Jesus before that, and you have a testimony. And it's one of the things I love, you know, bringing people on who we all have a testimony,

but one that's kind of similar to mine. You know, we were both tough guys. We were both athletes. We started the show off today, even talking about sports. And, you know, we made a lot of bad choices in our life. And you're open to that. You share that. And so maybe you can like share a little bit of your testimony and how God really found you. Absolutely. I run into it from time to time of people like, well, I don't want to have to talk about your past. And I'm like, look, this testimony that I have is one of the ways of, of course, the blood of Jesus of how I overcome. So I share this testimony any opportunity that I get. Amen.

But yeah, so it hasn't always kind of been this way. I was raised in church. I was actually raised in the church of God and had experienced the presence of the Lord, you know, several times when I was a child, but never surrendered to that. And so you fast forward through my life of, you know, started drinking in high school, doing drugs in high school, you know, smoking marijuana. And then as college come around, started doing it more often, some life events happened, you know, some things that, you know, not everybody starts out, I'm going to use and abuse because I'm in a pit, you know, or I've, you know, I've got this thing to cover up. So life come my way and I started to rely on drugs and alcohol and even more. So in my twenties,

it just started into, you know, Hey, I'm drinking more. I've tried this drug, you know, I've tried cocaine. Then I had, you know, the big thing that was here, and I think in most areas and regions, was narcotics, pain medication. And so kind of went just casual to then I'm full blown. When I came to the Lord, you know, 20 years ago, it is I'm drinking about, you know, 18 to 24 beers daily. On top of that. Is that it? I think at one time had got to a point of, I got a combination here, not just that, but about 160 milligrams of OxyContin, which was big at the time. You might know it as Oxycodone, but these were much stronger. I was kidding, by the way.

18 to 24 beers a day is a lot of alcohol. It's a lot. it's a lot it's a lot and you know sometimes even that doesn't seem to be enough you know and then had got to the i had to i had to use the narcotics so addicted to that and the alcohol and narcotics uh i could i could start nate i could start at five in the morning and oftentimes did if i was off work and just drink until two or three the next night and do drugs. Such a high tolerance, high functioning, but just busted, busted and disgusted. You know, life had handed me a few, you know, threw me a few curveballs. So was that a weekend thing or was that a daily thing? That was a daily thing.

That wasn't a weekend thing. That was, if they would have made eight days a week, I'd have done it eight days a week. Fair enough. Um, so, uh, you know, just to, just to fast forward it, to get to the, to the amazing part. Um, how long did you live that life for, by the way? How long was that lifestyle? Uh, probably that heavy, probably about six or seven years, but I had been in an active addiction for over 16 years. Wow. To alcohol and drugs. Yep.

And so fast forward, my wife and I, it's our first year anniversary. And I was smart. I made my wedding day a couple of days before my birthday. And I kept, I would joke to my wife, Amy, I'd say, that's so I can remember it. I won't forget our anniversary. And so I woke up that morning and she said, where are you going? I said, I'm going to get you something for our anniversary. It was a Sunday morning.

She said, uh, you don't have to buy me anything. She said, get me, uh, would you guys just go to church with me? And, uh, I was like, in the back of my mind, I'm sitting here thinking I can get more drugs. I can afford, you know, I can go to the dealer. I can get, you know, I can get, in the back of my mind, I'm sitting here thinking, I can get more drugs. I can afford, you know, I can go to the dealer. I can get, you know, I can get the pills. I can, you know. And so I did that. And before I got to that church, and I think people need to hear this because they're like, oh, you need to get your act together, you know, and do this and do that.

I drank probably eight beers and snorted a couple of pills before I even went to church that morning. Wow. And was greeted by a man of God whom I'm still close to, Lawrence Hayes, that led me to the Lord. But anyway, he hugged me when I come in. He's good to see you, man. You know, just welcome me. So by faith that day, he preaches a message. I still have a copy of that message titled, Accept a Man, Be Born Again.

And a church of about 300, I was at that morning, but it emptied out, it seemed. It was just me and the preacher. And he was preaching this message, and he was painting a picture. He was talking about being born again. He was talking about not knowing Jesus and what that looked like and surrendering to that. And so I sit there, bawled, cried for the first time in years. I mean, you probably could have cut my arm off and I wouldn't have cried, you know, but, and so I'm just boohooing him. And I know, I know my wife is sitting there and she's like, I wish he would just surrender, but I didn't surrender that day. And so fast forward two days, I'm at my home and

I woke up super early and I decided, you know what, I can't do anything right. I'm just going to end it. So I started drinking as much as I could, just grabbing, you know, we had a big bottle of red wine, you know, the strong stuff and mixing that with the beer and sniffing the pills. And I had a loaded.44 Magnum and I was like, I'm going to end it today, you know. And so I sit there holding that pistol between my legs there, you know, contemplating suicide. And I heard this voice audibly. And that voice said, what are you doing? And it was audible to the point that I went to my door, the entrance to our home, because I thought my dad walked in.

And he I thought he had walked in and asked me what I was doing. And I go to the door and there's no one there. And I get choked up talking about it. The reality is it was your father. It was my father. And I turned around to walk away and he said, I didn't create you for this. I have a plan for your life if you'll follow me. And I began to weep, weep uncontrollably.

And, you know, he continued that. Nothing was audible after that, but he continued to speak to my heart. And I would pace the floor. The next thing you know, I was divinely sober. I was just, you know, beside myself. He kept speaking. The presence of God was overwhelming in my home. And, you know, to say I haven't been. The presence of God was overwhelming in my home.

And, you know, to say I haven't been the same since is an understatement. I really had no clue what he had planned for my life. But it's been amazing what Jesus has done for me in these last 20 years. Yeah. Thank you so much for being vulnerable, for sharing that. It's amazing. You know, even in our weakest, darkest moments, we may hate ourself, everyone around us. He's such a good daddy. He loves us so much and he will come in and, you know, it brings back, you know, memories. It's very similar. Of course, they're always unique and special to that person. But, you know, you made the comment that you hadn't cried in so long. That was me the night that I got set free. I had not cried that I can remember in about 20 years. And I cried like a baby for two days. And, you know, we, the guys like us, like we, we needed that. And I tell people now it's like, you know, we talk about tough guys, not crying. Like, well, actually I would actually say the real men do cry. Yes, absolutely. Uh, that's, that's it. And you know, it's just, uh, I'll be honest with you. I've probably been crying for 20 years. I mean, it's just, uh, the more I think of the goodness of God and his mercy, uh, you know, it's just, I'll be honest with you, I've probably been crying for 20 years. I mean, it's just the more I think of the goodness of God and his mercy, you know, extended to me daily. It's just amazing.

So after that night, what's next? Did you catch fire right away? Because I know with me, I mean, I was three days after I was delivered, I was praying over people in the street. So did you catch fire right away or did it take some time? I did. I did. The amazing thing is, is, uh, that was actually on, I meant to, I meant to say that was actually on my real birthday. So I was born again. And my birthday, uh, was that day that the 26th of September. So you're born again day. So anyway, you're born into this world day of the same day. Yes. Wow. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't plan that if I tried. But then, so my friend who also partied with me happened to show up that night and he walked in and, you know, Pastor Lawrence had come over and he was like, hey, man, what's going on here?

And I was like, man, I just gave my heart to the Lord and I just got saved, and so he ends up, after a few minutes, he asked the preacher to, the pastor to come out with him, and he surrendered his life to Christ. He's still on fire serving God, but yeah, so I got, I caught fire, and God, you know, gradually, you know, I knew I had to get committed and submitted to the local body. I knew I needed to have, you know, accountability. I know I needed to, you know, have a family, you know, some believers. And so, you know, I just got connected. And actually, other than going and praying for people, I worked in the hospital, actually got in trouble for that. People were getting healed. You know, they were like, we're in the sick business. Here you are praying. You know what I mean?

But I actually played music. And so my first thing that I did, you know, in the church is I had joined a worship team. I played guitar. And fast forward that a few months in, that's after doing that, I was coming home, looked at the old church that I grew up in, that Church of God. And I said, I'd love to get back in there and our worship team do something. We were traveling. And he said, well, this isn't what I called you to do. You can play music. You did that before.

But I've called you to do something you can't do. And I've called you to minister the gospel. And yeah, talking about, I thought, I'm going crazy. I am with you. I would have never thought. And even my dad said I was an unusual, unusual suspect that I would be one that would be, be sharing the gospel and praying. And I mean,

it's like, wow. You know, it would have never thought, right. Being out there on the football field, someday you'd be ministering to those guys. Absolutely.

I even, you know, there's probably friends of mine that when they heard that I was preaching, probably passed out from the news. Absolutely. Well, Hey, we thank you guys for watching. Look guys, share the show. This is one of those things where this is, um, I mean, unfortunately it's not a, uh, it's a very common thing. I mean, so many men, tough guys, struggling with drugs, suffering with alcohol, suffering with addictions and partying, but a lot of men that take their own lives.

And, guys, there is an opportunity for repentance. There is an opportunity for God to come in if we open our hearts to him for true transformation in our lives, not that he just sets us free from these things, but that he is going to put his spirit in us and he is going to work through us to use our testimony to be a light in this world. And so I just believe and declare, you know, when we share this and people watch this show, they're going to have it on their hearts to watch this show. And there's going to be people that are going through similar things that Sean went through, that myself, that I dealt with, that they're going to hear this and they're going to have it on their hearts to watch this show. And there's going to be people that are going through similar things that Sean went through, that myself, that I dealt with, that they're going to hear this. And they're going to get hope. And they're going to get on their knees and give to God.

And there's people that are going to have freedom in their hearts and their lives. And it's going to be a fresh start for them. And all those addictions and the pain and the lies and the insecurities, all those things, they're going to go. And we just declare it over them in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. So you have some, a lot of supernatural, uh, stories. Why don't you, uh, you know, what, when did you start having the understanding through that, that, okay, well, God set me free. He loves me, but he's going to work through me. When did you start learning? What did it look like when you started to realize that you could really,

I know you heard from him audibly, but that you could hear from God on a daily, regular basis, that he would tell you things because you have a prophetic voice? When did you start to learn about these gifts that you have? Yeah, that's an amazing question. So it wasn't long after I got saved. So as a child, I have dreamed two, three dreams a night. I dream every night. You said as a child? And as a child, yeah, and it started as a child. And I remember being younger because, you know, nobody even knew.

You know, now if I meet a young person, I'm going to be like, you know, even a child, you're doing what? You know, to recognize there's something there with that child. You know, God has given them a gift. And I would dream dreams, excuse me, And I would notice that the things that I dreamed about would come true, you know. And so fast forward to not long after I'd gotten saved, probably six months. I remember I was actually at work. So I was a respiratory therapist for 16 years and I worked in the hospital. It's amazing. I was able to keep a job with the addiction I had, but I did. And I remember sitting just quietly with the Lord and he said

someone's name and he said, oh yeah, concerning that person. And he began to speak about them. And I knew just by, you know, the pulling of the spirit, it was like, write it down. So as I'm sitting there, the next thing I know, I have this notepad, and I have about 15 people that God had spoke to me to speak to them. And you have to know, I didn't know anything about prophet. I didn't know anything about prophetic ministry or apostolic pastor. I didn't know anything about that. So I began to go to these individuals and say, hey, I would just like to share something with you. And each one of them looked at me and was like, how did you know that? That was nobody but me or man, I needed to hear that.

And then one thing that further solidified it is the pastor's sister. At the time, I didn't know it. She had been trying to have a child, her and her husband, for several years, and we were in a service about that time, and I saw her, and she stuck out to me, and the Lord said, tell her she's going to have a baby, and I'm like, you know, so I just chickened, I went to her brother, Pastor Lawrence, and I said, you know, the Lord told me to tell Carrie she's going to have a baby, and his eyes got really big, he's like, I was like, and I said, you know, the Lord told me to tell Carrie she's going to have a baby. And his eyes got really big. He's like, I was like, but I didn't share it with her.

I wanted to share it with you. And he's like, well, I'm glad you did, man. They've had several miscarriages. But then fast forward, she's just having a, you know, there were some problems, female problems. And she was having a sonogram. And the doctor says, you know, you ain't gonna believe this. You're pregnant. Wow. And she was having a sonogram, and the doctor says, you know, you ain't gonna believe this, you're pregnant, and she would, she was just like, do what, and he called me up and said, man, you ain't gonna believe this, and so her, what's, what's amazing is her son is maybe just a few months older than my youngest son, so she, she brought forth a son, so things like that started

to happen, and then what I began to do was be intentional about being around those that were operating, you know, very similar that could teach me, you know, instruct me in those ways. So oftentimes with God, it's just a natural thing, something he's placed within you. And then he starts to hone that in, you know, various ways. Yeah, it's fascinating. These kind of things fascinate me because I see like with my son, you know, the prophetic gift from a very young age. And I know that, you know, it's been, you know, with them for, I mean, anyways, I don't want to get into all that, but I know that like with myself, um, you know, three, the, the Holy spirit spoke to me the night that I was delivered. He said, you're going to do this too. And, you know, five weeks after that, I was seeing miracles and healings, but I had never my entire life, like ever, like had an inclination that, um, that was a gift that I had. So for me, I don't know if

I look back and it was, it was there all along and I, and I just didn't know it, or that's something that happened when I got born again, something that was imparted to me from that man. But I know after that night, whatever it was, it came alive. And so it's just interesting because so many people like yourself, it's almost like you knew it was there. You just didn't know how to do it with me. I never had a clue. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And I, and I, and I find that, that, that is the case as well. And, uh, you know, we, we, we mentor, you know, quite a few people and we help leaders and young people really have a heart for young people, but you know, we, hey, look at your life.

Hey, maybe what is natural that you like or that you do? And oftentimes that points you towards, you know, hey, maybe what God's calling you to do or what is your vein, if you will, in the body of Christ? How does he want to use you? Everybody has a calling. It may not be pulpit ministry, but everybody has a calling from God. So, you know, some of the, when you started hearing the voice of God, you started prophesying over people in your church and other places. Was that like where you experienced that? Was that your

hometown? Like, is that where you grew up? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a whole entire story. I can definitely relate to when Jesus went back home and he couldn't do many miracles. But yeah, so it was my hometown that that started. And you know, it was one of those things when we planted our first church in 2009. I mean, I started from scratch. I mean, we had nothing, no people, no anything. And it grew very quickly, you know, within a year, especially for here. But then it didn't take long because we would do, you know, crusades, we would do outreaches and things like that, that you, you know, my name was, uh, uh, it seemed to me the perspective I had in the enemy likes to paint. This is, Hey, there's more against you than there is for you. And, and so, yeah, that was within, you know, where, where we are now.

So you had a lot of people that thought what you went crazy, that how is Sean Boone like hearing from God? Like, did you experience all that yeah absolutely you know who does he think he is you know i know him kind of like they did you know jesus hey he didn't he the carpenter son right you know isn't he so-and-so's brother you know and then because because here's the thing you know and when people don't understand something um instead of trying to they usually just speak speak against it. And, you know, we were having some amazing things happen, you know, people being filled with the Spirit, people being healed, you know, people being set free. And so, you know, what it basically does is it ruffles, you know, the demons, the principalities, the things that are ruling in an area up against you.

And so we experienced that in a mighty way. Yeah, I have, you know, myself too, because I live down in the, I mean, I heard it. Well, Nate had a, you know, a, what do they call it? A hallucination, a hallucination, you know, he went crazy or this and that. And, but, you know, I'll tell you, I've seen a lot of miracles in my hometown, but I'll also say that there are people just because they can't see me for the way that God sees me or the transformation in my life that they would rather die than come to me for prayer.

And that's sad. You know what I mean? We may not agree on this, and that's okay, but I'm just going to say it because you talked about Jesus in his hometown not doing many miracles. And look, I don't believe for a second that Jesus actually could not do miracles. I believe it is that they wanted nothing to do with Jesus, so he did not see the miracles because they could not see him for who he was. Yep, yep. And you know, the scripture is clear that he actually did some. Right. There were people healed, but it wasn't to the magnitude.

His influence, his ability wasn't to the magnitude of when he traveled and went abroad. And the crazy thing is, you know a little bit about this, but we have a real grace, and especially up your way, the Shenandoah Valley God has really been using us and up that way and you know great relationships with you and Ann and you know take a couple minutes and just tell people about your ministry or really what you're doing yeah so

you know kind of going into that when we planted a couple of churches we started to receive some prophetic words through some seasoned voices that said, God's getting ready to do a new thing with you and Amy, and you'll have no reference point. And, you know, I could do church. I knew how to, you know, go in and operate and build people up and preach sermons. And so we was just like, what does that look like? And so about four years ago, he started speaking to us, you know, the term forerunner.

And I'm sitting there thinking, I don't know what a forerunner is, you know. Where is it even mentioned? And so we started, you know, all right, what is that, leaning into that? And one of the things that God, you know, had revealed to me is, and I tell people, I come from the School of Hard Docs, I can tell you how to do ministry or build kingdom all the wrong ways, because I did it. But then, you know, just opening doors for us to travel and help other ministries and, you know, whether it be prophetically or through, you know, just sound teaching and through experience. And so he began to use us up in the Shenandoah Valley, which was

not on my radar whatsoever. And so we started doing that and then started doing some regional stuff, you know, going in and praying into capitals, state capitals, going in and being strategic of praying in cities, gathering people. And, you know, when you talk about forerunner, if you look at what John the Baptist did is he paved the way or he opened the way for Jesus. And so that's that's basically it, you know, going in and saying, let's lift Jesus high here. And in doing so, let's contend with some things. And then some people can come in, like even such as yourself of what you carry and others of like, all right, we're going to operate in some miracles. You know, this is what we're going to do. So it's a very unique thing of what's going on.

So I have a question for you that came to my heart last night, and I'm sure that you're going to be able to have something good to share. So you talk about going into other cities and what's like maybe the outside, possibly the inauguration, the most talked about thing in our country right now. And all the prophets and all the people who hear from God are coming out and they saw this and this is what's happened. And that's what happened. And no, it's God. And no, it's not. And they should have repented. You went to Los Angeles because the Lord put it on your heart within sometime within the last couple years to go up all the way up to the Hollywood sign in Los Angeles, pray over that place, pray over that

city. You knew it meant something. It was powerful. You were called by God to do it. And now you see what's happening there. So talk about what the Lord called you to do there and what is happening now that you believe in your heart that you see that's happening. Well, that's very interesting. So yeah, you know, it was just one of those things. I said, people are going to think I'm crazy. you believe in your heart that you see that's happening well that's that's very interesting so yeah you know it was just one of those things i said you people gonna think i'm crazy you know why in the world would you just want me to fly i've never been you know i'm country boy live in the appalachian mountains and uh i um i'm just saying why would you have a country boy from the appalachians go to la stand up behind the center i knew I had to stand behind the Hollywood sign. When you get up there and you can just see all, you know, all of Los Angeles and do that. And so,

you know, we were faithful to do that, Amy and I, and release that word. He'd give me an entire word to release over Los Angeles. And, you know, we come back and it was, you know, fast forward some six months later, I'm in, I'm visiting a church to minister at. And the leader there, she gets up and says, you know what you did, you know, six months ago? Guess what's going on in Los Angeles right now? There's revival that's broke out and they're baptizing people in the ocean and all these things. And, you know, which is, hey, I'm glad to hear that confirmation. My thing is this, specifically here on the East Coast and in where I live, everybody, I think Nostradamus supposedly had a word that California would break off into the ocean.

And my thing is, I wish California and the liberals, my thing is, is that's not the heart of God. And, you know, God's heart. Yeah. Mercy triumphs over judgment. And I've always said God's mercy is revival. He's done with America. He's done with, you know, California. That's that's not the case.

Maybe you are, but God's not. Right. That's not the case. Maybe you are, but God's not. And, you know, one of the things that was going on, and you may remember, there was even some fires going on around that time. And the phenomenon was, is they were actually up in New York over on the opposite coast, seeing the smoke, were experiencing the smoke from some of those fires. And to me, you know, you can say, well, it's judgment against them. It's fire. It's this and that. And, you know, my thing is, well, if it's against them, then every natural disaster or phenomenon that's happened is judgment against us. You know, here's my thing, Nate. And, you know, man, I never try to prophesy falsely or I never try to, you know, say what the Lord's not saying.

I say this fire is a precursor as to what's coming. And that is Holy Ghost fire. There we go. To California, to Los Angeles. You know, I'm not this, you know, and I'm not saying there's not a judgment side of God. There is. There is a judgment side of God. But Jesus took on that judgment.

And, you know, my thing is, is give them Jesus, you know, instead of saying, I mean, so what are you telling me in North Carolina that was judgment against them in Ashford? Right. Right? You know. You're right. We talk so much out of both sides of our mouth, and it's like, let's just be consistent on what we say, because I never saw Jesus talk out of both sides of his mouth.

Right, right. It was, you know, either or. And my thing is this, you know, well, God said this, God said that, you know, prophets don't operate, operate in hindsight. You know, it's, it's, it's not a prophetic gift or voice to say, oh yeah, you know, uh, after the fact, you know, we, we speak and share the heart of God prior to. And so my stance is the same as it was. It's probably been, you know, over two years now that I was there is that god is going to pour out his spirit in um california and and the amazing thing is i know a lot of the audience when i went on that trip a lot of the audience know about azusa street the azusa street revival and the bonnie bray house of where there were so many people just

up on the hill gathered that the porch fell in i We visited the Bonnie Bray House just to see it. Well, lo and behold, the owner was there doing a 24-hour satellite broadcast from the porch that fell in. And he asked me, would you get up here and kind of preach a little bit for 15 minutes and share. And I was able to even get up on that porch and do that. Lawrence Hayes says, great guy. I bet you know Lawrence Hayes, right? That's the minister I was talking about that led me to Jesus. I hope you're still listening, Lawrence. That's my brother right there. That's my guy. Awesome. Hey, we're going to shift. So thank you for sharing that. I thought it was important to talk about that. A lot of people have opinions and questions and just prayers, of course. And we pray for California.

Yes. So we pray for our country. I mean, it's a very important week in our country. Amen. But, you know, talk about something outside of our country. You know, you have gone – I don't want to go too deep into this, but you are somebody who has also led African Crusades. I would love to hear a little bit, maybe tell some of our viewers in America what an African Crusade, or at least what your experience looks like. I will.

I'll first say before I endeavor to do that, the Lord began to speak to me about crusades, and we would do that here. We've done a few here that turned into a three-night crusade that turned into a three-month outpouring. What is a crusade? When you say crusade, what does that mean to you? Yeah, so we're not talking about the crusades of when they went and killed, they would go out and kill masses of people because that was also, but what we're talking about a crusade is an intentional gathering. What you do is you find this, you know, central meeting place. You saturate that place with prayer and you set up and what you do, you know, you put the invite out to the lost, to the sick, to the broken, and you set up in that location and you began to, you know, prayerfully worship the Lord

and begin to bring that presence, and when they gather, you preach just the pure gospel of Jesus Christ to those that are lost and are sick, and, you know, it's one of those things that in Africa, they will advertise. I'm headed to Uganda February 12th to do crusades, and they have been advertising for some time. And Africa, there's not a lot that goes on there. So oftentimes, people come because it's like, well, it's something to do. It's something to attend. And so they show up, and you're able just to preach this gospel message that pricks the hearts of the people. They have no idea what they're getting themselves into, what you're saying, right? Most of the time, no. I had the opportunity in 2017

to preach in a nation in Africa, one of the poorest nations called Sierra Leone. It's on the west coast of Africa. And they had never had a crusade there. Most had never heard the gospel. Even the leaders that were trying to preach there had never had Americans there. And man, we opened that place up and they, listen, they walked for miles and it was just people just about as far as the eye could see it at night. And, you know, the response just, it was, it was amazing to see that many people accept Christ at one time. You see a lot of miracles or healings, people set free in those settings? A lot of, a lot of healings, a lot of miracles, a lot of, you know, demonic type stuff

being taken care of, you know, just, just, yeah, they hear the power of the gospel, and, you know, the enemy has to respond to the gospel, the authority and power that he carries. Amen. People don't know how, we don't know how good we have it in this country, do we? Oh, it's, you know, I have a friend going with me for the first time, and, you know, I shared with him, I said, now don't come back to your congregation, you know, and be a hammer on them because of what you saw. Because you're going to see some stuff. And you're going to see people that don't have anything, you know, give their time, give their money, you know.

And I said, if you've never been there, you can't expect people to have a full grasp on what's going on. And so it's just amazing. And listen, I left my heart in Africa back in 2016. I knew I would always return. But the people, the African people are so amazing. And I have such a deep love for them. And I knew then, Nate, in 2016, that I would continue to give my life

towards the efforts of the gospel in Africa. Amen. Well, bless you. Bless your trip, brother. When is that coming up? Is that February? February 12th. Yes, sir. Uh-huh. Well, thank you for going, my brother. You know, uh, wow. Maybe you'll go with me sometime. Maybe, man. It's crazy. I have literally, it's, um, let's just say I have open doors to Africa whenever I feel led to go. I got you. I got you.

But I'm sure I know that we would have a good time together. Oh, absolutely. We'd have a ball. So we're going to, we're going to shift again. So we talked about this a little bit on the phone and I guess maybe I thought we would have talked about it earlier in the show, but that's okay. This is going to be a part of the teaching that I think is going to be very important for people, especially ministers, young ministers. When we talk about ministry, maybe you and I talked about this privately, especially back a year or two ago. And, man, ministry.

You know what it's all about as far as, as, as support from your spouse and being united from your spouse, or maybe getting ahead, uh, of rushing it and not waiting on the timing of God. Uh, and, and I'll, we'll talk about some other things, uh, on this a little more in a bit, but just talk about maybe some of the dangers or risks of just trying to do ministry before it's the right time. Maybe you can talk about some of the mistakes that you have made. Oh, absolutely. Well, and I think very common, some of those that I've made is, you know, if not cautious, if not being, if not being led correctly, it's easy to do. But one of those things is.

Can you still hear me? Yeah, you're good. OK, one of those things is, is we sometimes we mistake the the call of God for the commissioning of God. And there are two separate things. You know, in Jesus, you know, the scripture is clear. It says many are called, but few are chosen. Right. And oftentimes what happens is we get that call from God, like the night that I'm, and I know you have your moment, the night that I am writing home.

And he says, well, I've called you to minister the gospel. And, you know, the, the, the thing is I was sitting on my porch two days after getting saved and delivered from drugs and alcohol and have a vision of this sea of faces and me speaking. Well, I didn't know what that meant. You thought that meant like next week, right? Yeah. I thought that meant next week. And you know, what God does is, is, you know, God's a, God's a visionary and, you know, he reveals to you things that, that week. And, you know, what God does is, you know, God's a visionary. And, you know, He reveals to you things that are down the pike, that are going to come, and what your, you know, ultimate call and purpose is. I always say we get a prophetic word and we think it's going to happen on Tuesday.

If it doesn't happen by the next Sunday, we're mad. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, we tend to get ahead of God and, you know, all of those good things. And, you know, the scripture was clear, you know, when Paul got saved, it says he was, you know, straightway preaching the gospel. That didn't mean that he wasn't sharing his testimony and preaching Jesus and, you know, as who saves. But when we look at ultimately what Paul did as an apostle, becoming an apostle, he wasn't from the get-go. He himself says some 14 years later, after being trained,

after being submitted, you know, and I'm not saying that's a timeline, but he had to be shown. Probably going to need a little time in the wilderness though, right? Yeah, yeah. You know, and we even see in Paul's writings a progression. We see some prideful things start to go away. He went from being Paul an apostle called to saying, hey, I'm just a bond servant, Paul a bond servant of Jesus Christ. You see the humility in what he's doing. And so that's one of the things is just, hey, minister, young minister, don't mistake that. Don't, hey, I am called, but this is a process. And I'm on a journey. And I always say, God has to do in a man or a woman before he does through a man or a woman.

He loves us and he wants us to be prepared. Yeah, prepared. And, you know, one of the things for me was I planted my first church and I hadn't been saved super long time. But the bottom line is I wasn't ready for it. How long was that? Do you know? I was sitting there, as I even said that, I was trying to think,

but I'm thinking about three about three years all right yeah somebody might say well that's that's a long time but i said it's quick well but even then to establish something and take over leadership of people oh yeah you know be responsible you know it was a great undertaking and And, you know, my my character and I hadn't been delivered of all the things that I thought I had been, you know, and, you know, you hurt a lot of people in the process. You get hurt in the process. And but it's probably more like two and a half years that that that was the case. So but but we can do it a couple of ways. We can do on-the-job training,

or we can listen to wise voices to say, hey, you know, I see this in you. Hey, how can we steward that? How can we get you ready? And so that's why I have such a passion to train and equip leaders. You know, I could devote my whole life. I could, believe it or not, I could forego the crusades. I could forego the prophetic ministry. You know, I could forego the going into regions and cities and areas and breaking that up to say, let's help God's people be everything they're called to be. So that's why I have such a heart for training and equipping, you know, those for ministry. So that church you started, that wasn't an easy ride? It was not an easy ride. I died in the process and took a few people along with me. And, you know, one of those things is lacking humility, lacking understanding,

the wisdom of what was going on, and really, and really not having, and I, you've heard me say this native, not having a shepherd's heart and, you know, Hey, not having a true love for the sheep. Now in that process, did he form one? He did. He did. But I, I still say there could have been less casualties. Right. Yeah. What is that? what do you mean when you say that? Well, you know, so oftentimes what happens is, you know, there are people, you get hurt, you know, leading people. And then there are genuine people that maybe want an answer or need to know what's going on. And then you put these walls up and you have these defense mechanisms. And so what you do is you end up hurting people more than helping them because of how we defend ourselves and the need to be right. You know, I would tell any young minister, get rid of your need to be right. You know, sometimes you have to hear people

out and, you know, and help them. You know, now somebody comes to me, it's like, hey, I'm dealing with this, dealing with that. Well, let's sit down and talk about it. Let's pray about it. How can I help you? Instead of saying, you know, sending judgment right from the get go, well, it's because of this, you're dealing with that, you know, that would be those kinds of things, you know, hurting people, you know, instead of, instead of really offering true grace and mercy towards, towards God's people. Well, you know, one of the things that the Lord taught me, because somebody like you and myself that we're just like fireballs, you know, I think that's just the way God made us.

We're just ready to roll. But, you know, we have wives, we have children, and it's one of those things where we could have gone out, and I know you've had to learn the tough way, and in some ways I have as well, because I was ready to, you know, take over the world and signs and wonders and speaking, and this is going to be my life. Well, then, you know, my wife got pregnant with three babies and, you know, that essentially got cut off and, you know, not, not because the Lord was punishing me, not because he was wanting

me to suffer or any of those things, but because he was preparing me for son, you know, it's not about being seen and heard to be used in powerful ways. Son, your family, your wife, your children are your most important ministry because you can gain the whole world. But if your own spouse, your own children think you're a fraud that they, you know, they don't think that you love them, like you have missed it. And so these are the things the Lord wants to teach us with ministry. I don't know if you can touch on that a bit. Yeah, absolutely. What's funny is Amy and I were traveling this past Sunday to go minister, and we had an hour drive, and we were talking about, she was just sharing how, you know,

some pastoral friends that we know of how their wife wasn't on board, and she was just talking about, hey, when we first got started, she wasn't on board, especially when it came to traveling to Africa. She would weep and cry, you know. And then I kind of carried us through that. And then, you know, we go through a tough season and I'm kind of like, well, I just want to quit. And, you know, you can't do that. It starts to carry me. So really what was forged in that is my wife and I realized we're for one another. We're for the good of one another. And I started, and that's another thing, I started the ministry of this church and my family wasn't my first priority, you know. And again, Jesus has had to heal that. There were regrets of how I neglected my kids, my wife for ministry.

And so he takes you through that process. And if I was to encourage any any couple, you know, hey, make sure you're on the same page. Get get get on that same page. And then because because here's the thing, you're one flesh man and wife are one flesh. You can't be one. I don't care if you're a mom and you birthed a kid, you're not one flesh with that child. But when you get married in union with God, you're one flesh. Right. And here's the thing, you know, two or three are gathered, you know, a twofold, threefold cord. You know, there is power in that unity. And listen, let's be honest.

You know this. This is why the enemy fights couples. He fights marriages. He fights homes because he knows, man, if that husband and wife get on the same page, look out. Yes. Look out. You're exactly right. Yeah, and we've been through some tough stuff, but I look at what we've been through. Would I do it again? Yes, because of what it's done in our marriage and in our home. I know that this could be like a term, but kingdom couples, kingdom families, it is so powerful. It's one of the reasons the enemy wants to destroy the nuclear family. God created the nuclear family, husband and wife, children.

Oh, my gosh. I could talk about this, but it's so powerful. Absolutely. Well, if you think about it, the only way to reproduce is you have to have a male and a female. And I'm not saying that ladies out there that just because your husband's called, you're called to this. I mean, you know, our wives know their niche, but I'm still saying when you have that ability to reproduce, you need a womb. You know what I mean? You need male seed that reproduces.

And, you know, if there would be any wife out there or husband of maybe that's got a spouse that's listening to this, you know, it's not about, you know, what you're called to do or I can't do. I mean, Amy would say that all the time, you know, what Sean does, it's just I can't do that. He's not calling to that. We're called to set one another off. What you have, I don't, and vice versa. And it's a very powerful thing. Amen. Well, we have time flies when you're having fun. We only have about 10 minutes left of the show. The thing about you and myself, Sean, maybe for better or worse, we keep it real. We're not afraid to talk about the tough things.

And, you know, when it comes to ministry, uh, maybe it's a good thing. We don't have too much time to talk about this, but I do want to touch on it. Um, you know, so I did about grew up in church, but most of my life is just a normal church goer. I've been walking in the kingdom of God now for seven years. And I would say in ministry for about three or four and what, you know, the kingdom of God is such a beautiful thing, but ministry in itself can actually be very nasty. And, uh, through this kingdom walk, it's probably been to me, I'd have to say more than anything, more than, you know, seeing devils cast out of little kids.

It's been the, some of the nasty stuff that comes out of ministry has probably been the most shocking, appalling, saddening thing for me personally to have seen. I just did not expect it to be like this, you know. Like when you're going out and, you know, maybe hanging with guys that are on drugs or if you're an athlete, you expect like this intense competition. But sometimes I feel like I've seen more competition in ministry than I ever even saw on the basketball court or the football field. And I know that that is not God's heart for us. And so I don't know if maybe this is like a very open ended question, but if you can like touch on anything on your heart about that. Absolutely. I hadn't been in the church too long and talking about, if you want to say church people or kingdom people, and I said, man, me and my buddies could

get into it back in the day, drink, maybe have a fight, and day, we'd be okay, you know. So, a few things. Obviously, the enemy hates unity. He doesn't want us unified as a body. That's what I love about what's going on in the Shenandoah Valley is all these different churches, ministry expressions, individuals that are willing to come together so that we can lift Jesus up in the Shenandoah Valley. That's our aim, right? And so one of the things that you do contend with is, you know, jealousy. Well, Sean's got this happening, or Nate, or, you know, Barb has this happening, and I want that to happen. But I'm glad you, what's funny is I had this scripture pulled up, and I'm glad you mentioned that, because this isn't an uncommon thing, and it's not a new thing. Right.

Okay? Because in 3 John, he wrote about church, but Diotrephes, who loves to have the preeminence among them, does not receive us. So think about this. The mighty Apostle John, whom you know, walked with the Lord, an eyewitness, and walked with him intimately for three and a half years.

This minister named Diotrephes says, John ain't welcome here. We don't receive him, right? And so you can interpret that a few different ways. What he's saying is, I'm the guy here, and I don't want this super apostle coming here messing with what I've got going on. Instead of, because this is mature ministers and this is mature ministry. Hey, how could we, yeah, let's get John here. How could we partner with him and tap into who he is and what he carries to build the kingdom where we're at? Right? And he goes on to say, therefore, if I come, I will call to mind his deeds, which he does,

prating against us with malicious words. And so what he's doing is he's tearing down the character. He's tearing down the ministry of John, right? And he says, and he's not content with that. He himself does not receive the brethren and forbids those who wish to putting them out of the church. And so here this man is, it's just, you know, he's just basically a tyrant, a dictator in the kingdom of God. And so what I have seen, Nate, in different particular areas and regions is I have seen this spirit, if you want to name it, Diotrephes, it's just something that is operating of how, no, I've got to be the individual. You know, I've got to be the one that does this. And, you know, that was the thing that God contended me with the most is, son, can you be OK with going to a region and area and lifting me up and things breaking open and then have some other person come in and do all that?

You know, experience all the signs and wonders and miracles because I need you to do your part so they can do their part. And so we start to have this mindset of what can we do together instead of what do we do separately. Amen. Well, guys, Bridge the Gap, for those who don't know it, the Lord originally put this vision on my heart for Bridge the Gap last year was to unite both sides of the mountains, ministries, churches, put our differences, put the denominations aside. And this year it's become more of a, uh, to unite, but to just unite regions, to unite people all over. Okay. And so that, that is what we're doing to just come together for the kingdom of God. And there's so much power in unity. And so, um, yeah, just throw it out there one more time. Come on Saturday. if you are hungry for more of the kingdom of God. So, Sean, our time is, we're going to be wrapping up soon. We love you guys.

I don't know if anybody has a couple questions for Sean. Feel free to ask them now. I can try to ask them before we get off the air. But something that I like to ask at the end of the show, you are a prophetic voice in the body of Christ. You hear from God, you know, a little bit about this region, about myself, even about this show. So anything in particular on your heart for the region or for this show in general that you would like to speak? Yeah, absolutely. So in my time of being up there with you guys, you know, I had a vision of a fire that started up to the northern part of the valley

that ran down to the southern part. And I believe that God has chosen the Shenandoah Valley specifically for an outpouring of His Spirit. And I believe what He has put forth is a call for those that are involved to unify. Hey, just to put down my ministry agenda, my church agenda, and say, you know, what is going on in the Shenandoah Valley? And my term is the Shenandoah Valley will be saved. And so I really believe there's a great harvest that the Lord wants to reap there. And I believe it's going to require humility. It's going to require a willingness to unite. Denominational walls or denominations aren't going anywhere. But what God is saying, what do we have in common? That is Christ and him crucified.

You know, and so how can we come together for the common good of the people? The gospel isn't about building a ministry. It's not about building a platform. It's about helping the lost, the sick, the broken and the undone. And I don't know about you, Nate, I know your heart, but I can put all that aside of what I want to do to help those. Absolutely. Hey, so I'm going to ask you to pray for someone real quick, because sometimes, you know, you get comments, and I don't always know, that may not always be legitimate, but I think that this one

is, and it's, you know, we've been talking about Africa. You talked about the time in your life where, you know, you were, uh, you know, ready to take your own life. And, um, someone, it looks like in Kenya, um, had this, uh, been watching the show and said that they were thinking about drinking poison, you know, to, uh, uh, let me think and say the exact word of what it says, but just see if you can pray, pray for this person, Sean. Let me hold on just a second. Sure. Anyway, someone said that they were thinking of drinking poison to the death. So, you know, speak life over this girl. Her name is Jane. So absolutely. I want to share with you, I hope you're still watching,

this prayer will work for you, but I saw when Nate began to describe this, I saw you going from person to person. I saw you yourself being used of God to help others who are depressed and those who are thinking of doing what you may be contemplating. And so what I want to say is, is you are not what the enemy is saying. The enemy is tearing you down. He's speaking the wrong voice. But you are who the Lord God Jesus says you are. You are his righteousness. He loves you with love. I want you to, all the way

the Atlantic in that nation of Africa, I want you to experience and know the love of God. He loves you so much that he sent his son Jesus for you. And so, Father, we lift this young lady up right now in the name of Jesus. And Father, what we say is, is that as you step in right where she is at and you say, stop, don't do that right now in this moment to experience your goodness and your love right from the get go that says, I will not do this. I will not take my own life, but I will live and I will declare the works of the Lord. And so, Father, I pray that you just begin to reveal the root causes of this. I pray that you begin to reveal how much you truly love her and that, Jesus, that you step in that room and overwhelm her with your goodness, your love, and your presence right now. And so, Father, we

say this will not happen. She will live. But, Father, we speak destiny into her. Father, we say that she will be everything that you created her to be. Just as I heard, you were not created for this. You were not created for this life that some decisions has brought you to, but you were created as the apple of God's eye. He loves you. He looks upon you. He has a great love for you, and he wants to use you to encourage and build up others. And so I speak to your destiny. I speak to your future. And I say it will be so in Jesus name. Amen. I speak that you shall not die, but you shall live. And I just speak abundant life over you, Jane, and freedom right now in Jesus name. So Sean, we love you, man. I appreciate you coming on. We have to go. And just thank you

guys for watching. Share the show. We thank our sponsor in partnership with Opening Doors Real Estate and Melanie Morris. Joe Hoy, our brother, said you guys flow so well together, sharing the key kingdom truth. Amen. We have Carl that's watching and says, good evening. Blessings from France. We just thank you guys for watching all around the world.

We are honored. We just thank you for listening to Sean's testimony. And, Sean, as I said, people would be impacted by this. So we just thank you guys for reaching out for prayer. And any last comments, Sean? No, just thank you, Nate. Love you guys. You know, I knew when we first met we would do some things together.

Really enjoyed this. I thought we've only been here about 20 minutes. It's been a fast day, so that's good. So bless you. Thank you for coming on, and bless your ministry and your family. And, guys, so our guest next week is going to be John Martin, who was the second guest we ever or third guest we ever had on our show. He's one of the lead speakers at Bridge the Gap this weekend.

We'll be talking a lot about Bridge the Gap, I think, and what the Lord did, and we'll see where else the Lord takes us. But bless you again, Bridge the Gap, this Saturday, January 18th. We just thank you guys for watching, and I speak life and healing over your minds and your bodies in the name of Jesus, and God bless, and have a good week. Thank you.