The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Steve Harmon Joined Nate Kibler Live On "The White Mountain Ministries Show!"

Episode Date: November 26, 2024

Steve Harmon joined Nate Kibler live on The White Mountain Ministries Show! The White Mountain Ministries Show airs live Tuesday from 2:30 pm – 3:30 pm on The I Love CVille Network. Watch and listen to The White Mountain Ministries Show on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, iTunes, Apple Podcast, YouTube, Spotify, Fountain, Amazon Music, Audible and iLoveCVille.com. “The White Mountain Ministries Show” is presented by Opening Doors Real Estate.

Welcome to the White Mountain Ministry Show. I am your host, Nate Kibler. I thank you for watching, for listening, for praying, and for being a part of what the Lord is going to do through this show today. Hey, this ain't church, y'all. It is all about the kingdom of God. We are very excited for our guest today, joining us live from Canada, Mr. Steve Harmon. He will be joining us. You'll be able to see his face here in just a minute. And I'm very excited for what Steve is going to bring today. A lot of people are going to be blessed from the show. Steve is someone that I have known really through social media for, I guess, about six years now. From what I've seen, I believe Steve is a bit of a man of mystery, maybe even an enigma

in some ways. I don't know that he does a lot of appearances like this. Maybe he can correct me if I'm wrong, but I am excited to have him on the show with us. So yeah, guys, please share the show. This is how people all over the world are seeing this. There's going to be great teaching. There's going to be great revelation, a lot of truth that Steve is going to bring today. So share the show, like it. Look, we are going to be live. Maybe we'll even have a few minutes towards the end of the show. Steve has moved and signed to Wonders for many years. So comment if you need prayer. It's just on my heart just at this moment that maybe we will pray for some people who are watching live on the show today if Steve is okay with that. Also want to thank our sponsor

and our partner with Opening Doors Real Estate and Melanie Morris, buying and selling real estate. They have their new location out there on Route 29 by the Dunkin' Donuts. So reach out to Melanie, her and her husband, David, awesome kingdom people, love the Lord. We're honored to have them be part of our show. So no word of the week today. We are just going to bring Steve on and really use this as a platform for him today. So Judah, whenever you have a moment, if you can brief Steve on, let me know and we can see Steve. All right, Steve, you're on. Welcome, brother.

Hey. Thanks for being with us today. Thank you. Appreciate it. I was spending time this weekend with a mutual friend, Lisa Perna. I know I think years ago it sounds like you were on Lisa's show. Is that correct? Yeah.

Yeah. Me and Lisa go way back. Yeah. So she was speaking really highly of you. You might not know this, but she even actually helped me when I was promoting the show with a profile for Steve. So if you don't like what I wrote, just blame it on Lisa, okay? No worries. I'm sure it was good.

So you don't know this, but so you are our kingdom connection for the day. You are our guest. And, you know, I don't like to just pluck people out of thin air, really, for this show for the last six or seven months. This has really been all connections. A lot of most of the people I actually really know well, you and I do not know each other that well. But we do have somewhat of a history on social media. I know that we believe that we're really cut from the same cloth in a lot of ways. And, you know, I know that you are a Holy Spirit led and Holy Spirit taught man.

And I always have a great respect for that. But there was this has been at least five years ago. I'm looking here now. This was in August of 2019. So we're talking almost five and a half years ago. You made a post something about prophecy or prophetic words. I don't know exactly what it was, but I felt on my heart to reach out to you and ask you a question about something important that I was dealing with in my life. And you wrote back to me because I said there was a decision or something going on in our life. And I wasn't sure if it was God. I didn't want to make the wrong decision. I was

still a little newer in my walk and I just wanted some advice you know kingdom advice from someone that I didn't really know and anyways what you wrote to me I'm going to read this and we're going back in our Facebook notes this is what I felt Nate is that you are to go through with your decision but you're going to have to really trust God through it because it's going to test you just trust the Lord through all this This will take you to the deeper waters, but it's where you're going to find God the most and change you for good. I bet you don't even remember saying that, do you? No, I didn't think so, but I do believe it was from the Lord. My wife and I were actually going to the country of Cyprus. She felt on her heart. We had been going through infertility

for years. The Lord said to go to Cyprus. I thought she was crazy, but I kept getting these signs. It's like, all right, God, if you want us to go, we'll go. And anyways, you may not know this either, but we came back from that trip, and she gave birth to three babies at the same time. We have triplets. Oh, wow. Yes. And so I read that to my wife the other day, cause I hadn't looked at it in years and she was like, Oh my gosh, are you serious? So you helped me, the Lord, I believe worked through

you to help me go to Cyprus. So bless you, bro. That's awesome. People, people, you may help and you have no idea, right? Isn't that kingdom? That's totally kingdom for sure. Wow. That's so cool. Thanks for sharing that. Absolutely. So tell us about Steve. You know, I know obviously to do the things you're doing in your walk, you have a testimony. You came from somewhere and I do not know much about your testimony. We love to hear testimonies on this show. So like the quick version of, you know, where you, you know, did you come out of the womb walking in the kingdoms? You have parents walking in the kingdom. What did that look like when you really womb walking in the kingdom? Did you have parents walking in the kingdom? What did that look like when you really started walking in the kingdom of God?

Prodigal walk. Came to the Lord at 21. Had a desire to really start going after kingdom through those years. Wanted to see miracles, signs, and wonders. Just had that always in my head. Went to a church that didn't really believe in it. They said they did, but it was a great glories church in Riverside, California, Calvary Chapel. They made the movie about them, Jesus Revolution.

Oh, wow. And so I went to that church, and I didn't know that they had, well, they believed on paper that God moves in signs and wonders today and the gifts, but they just didn't actively walk in it. And so I remember when I first understood that there's this problem in the church of churches that believed that God moved in power today and churches that didn't believe it ones that didn't did it then I was like confronted with this whole reality and I'm going guys why aren't we doing this stuff when it's all throughout the scriptures and then I kept getting some push back from everybody and eventually I'm like going right, this is just not my place. So I left and went to other churches that at least believed in tongues, spoke in tongues, and moved in power and science and wonders, and just kind of got fed off of that.

And then it was in 2008 when I went to Africa, and then I saw healing for the first time. Because I went over there believing that God moves powerfully in a third world country. So I was going to go out on the streets. And I mean, the day I got there, I woke up at six in the morning by myself, walked on the streets and started praying for people. Wow. So what was the first miracle that you saw in Africa? What happened? Well, it was this lady, she had body pain, but what was interesting about this

was how I learned faith in this very first healing. I remember getting up on a stage and telling everybody, Hey, God heals today. Cause the group that I was with didn't have that agenda. had that agenda so I'm like I'm going to talk about healing and I said everybody at the end if you want healing come up to the front and so I get down on the the stage in front of everybody and then I wave over the people that I'm with I'm like hey get over here I've never done this before either you know so first person this lady she's got this body pain. I prayed like 15 seconds for her healing. And then I asked the translator, I go, how does she feel?

And she says, it's gone. I go, ask her again to make sure. She says it's gone. I go, what? I go, is she lying? He goes, what? I go, never mind. Let's just go to the next person.

Because I just could not believe that she got healed that quick after a 15-second prayer when at home we pray 15 minutes for a headache and then he'd still have it. So I'm like, I'm going, God, what the heck? Next person I pray for gets healed. Then the translator gets healed. And then I ask God after that. I go, God, why did they get healed when I didn't have any faith? I was doubting. And he says, what do you mean?

The Lord said, you did pray. You had faith because you prayed. Absolutely. That was your faith. And then it clicked in my head of what faith really was. Faith is not so much you convincing yourself that it's going to happen, like how I was always taught through word of faith. It's not you working yourself up and just going, I believe, I believe, I believe, which is how most people perceive faith. But faith is you putting action to something,

even if you have doubts. Because I was always told you can't have doubt. Well, I had doubt plenty of times and people got healed when I prayed. The point was, I just needed to make sure that I did the action of praying. You can't let your doubt get you to the point where you stop praying and you quit or you just don't do it at all. Then it's unbelief. But you can have doubts and fear while you're praying. And power will still flow through you. Because that's what faith is. It's an action.

It's a cold-blooded act of your will. And so I remember, I would say the best scriptures that really define faith is the woman and the judge and the persistent friend. The woman and the judge, she says, give me justice. No, give me justice. No, give me justice. No, give me justice. And then the judge goes, all right, when you exhaust me, I'll give you what you want. Then Jesus says at the end of that parable, when the son of man returns to the earth, will he find faith? So he was equating faith to persistence, not quitting until you get what you asked for. It was a pushing. It's not this thing on the inside of you that you just have to work up and you just got to know that it's going to happen. I know that I know that I know. That's more like a gift of faith. But faith that

you are responsible of is just you pushing past the feelings of doubt and not letting the doubt create an action or a disaction in you that keeps you from going forward. When you do that, that's always faith. And it's that persistence that you just keep going forward, keep going forward, and eventually you're going to get what you pay for. Yeah, that's so good. It's really interesting because I'm going to be preaching on Sunday and a lot of my message is going to be on healing. And we didn't even know we were going this route today,

but I'm going to piggyback on what you said and ask you a follow-up question because I was spending time with Lisa Perna this weekend and we were speaking privately about a very similar issue, talking about persistence. And another example, we talk about changing the mind of God, changing the will of God.

People would say that that's impossible, that that's blasphemous. But you even look at the woman who Jesus said he wasn't going to pray for her. She said, but even the dog gets the scraps under the table, right? And then he prayed for her. And so what would you say to that about persistence and maybe changing the mind of God? Sometimes it's like, it depends on what the situation is. Like sometimes when people are praying, there's a level of power coming out of the person.

And the thing is, is that sometimes it's an issue of how much power is being released to knock out what's being blocked. Sometimes if it's demonic. So many times I'm not looking at it as in I'm trying to necessarily convince God when it comes to physical healing. Right, right, right. I think, do you believe it's always God's will to heal? Yes, I do. Okay. Cause I do too. I always wanted to see what you believed on that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not really talking about healing specifically with that. I'm just saying like in general. Yeah. Like trying to get God to move. I think, I think it's because like in that, that, that situation where Moses goes to God and then he says to him and he, he, you know, well, he, he, he said, block my name out of the book of life, you know, to try to keep him from bringing judgment on the people. Now, what God was doing, he was acting as a judge. So he was acting as accordance to the law. It wasn't the God judging people, it was the law judging the people, and God had to just operate. But because Moses operated in a level of favor, and mainly favor, and of righteousness with God and the place where he was at with God, it was able to break a legality, I believe, in the spirit realm where God was able to

relent on what the law was saying. And I don't believe that can happen with every person. I believe that Moses was at a certain level of favor where that could happen. Hey, Steve, hold on just a second. Somebody just told me that's watching that they can't hear you. Do you know if we can hear, uh, Steve, can you check to be sure? All right. It looks like we can hear you. So for some reason we can't let, let me know. Um, okay. I hear you and I just put turn my link on i just want to make sure i don't want to go a whole show where we can't hear you steve yeah yeah for sure for sure but no keep going i don't know if you're still uh still on a point there yeah

so so i was saying is that the level of favor that moses had was able was it's like there's something in the legal contract with god where he was able to have God operate as a judge where he could relent on that judgment that was going to happen. I think this is really important to understand. And I go into this when I talk a lot about God not being in total control, is that it says too much has been given, much more will be required. So not everybody is on the same level because of their maturity and what they've been taught and what they learn. So this is why God treats people differently.

I know people would go, no, that's not true. God doesn't do that. Yes, he does. Because you do the same thing with your own children. You don't treat your five-year-old the same as you do your 25-year-old. That's a good point. You're going to treat them different based off of knowledge and their understanding. So this is why I give the analogy about God. Like if you're in a pit, if you're a baby Christian, God will get in that pit and help pull you up. And he'll help get

in there and he'll help bring you up. And if you're older, then he will, he'll be alongside of you climbing up that, that the walls of that pit with you, but you've got to do the climbing. And then when you're even older, then he'll be at the top and he says, come on, you can get up. I don't need to be right next to you. You can come up, come up. And then, then you like can be a fully matured son. You won't even hear him you'll just

have to go off of your wisdom and and you'll just hear like a whisper just know i'm with you you know what to do son and you're climbing up you know so there's different levels of maturity of how god is going to treat people and and walk with them at different levels and and it's important to understand that when when an older christian looks at what God is doing to somebody else, like a baby Christian, and they're getting everything handed to them when they grunt a prayer out. And when I grunt a prayer out, it doesn't work like that. Right. Because you're at a different maturity level, and God's not going to treat you the same as that other person. So God does meet people where they're at.

It's kind of on a similar line in the sense of God loves us all, but he doesn't necessarily trust all of us. Would you agree to that? Yeah. Well, yeah. And so love, like you love your 25-year-old just as much as you do the 5-year-old. But you're going to respond to their issues differently based off of their maturity. There you go. That's really good. It was interesting what you were talking about, the first person you saw healed too, because it's amazing.

Because you really actually did step out, I believe, in great faith, even though you might not have realized that in that moment. And it's similar to what he did with me because I had been seeing healings already, but I had never preached about it. And the first time I ever preached where I stood up in front of a congregation and said, I pray and God heals people was in Cuba. And well, before I got on the stage, there was a woman in the audience. She didn't even speak English. All she showed me was a thermometer. So I thought she had a fever. I prayed over her and then I get up and I share about all these, you know, testimonies and I'm just like, you know, I'm nervous. I had no idea what's going to happen. Even the people who were on the mission trip with me weren't, they weren't in that place where I was and it was more of like a Baptist church. And, but I would just, you know, I put myself out there

and entrusted God. And in that moment he showed me he was not going to throw me to the wolves because as soon as I got done speaking the message, the man of that wife stood up in the aisle and he was holding a thermometer. He said, I just wanted to let you know that when we got here tonight, my wife had a fever of 103 and this man prayed for her. And now it's completely normal. And everyone in the church just lined up and they were getting healed left and right. And so it's a very similar, just beautiful story about how God, like maybe you and I

would think where faith maybe wasn't that great, but it was, it's a mustard seed, right? That's all it is. Yeah, totally. Totally. And I think, I think people just need to understand that, that, like I said, you don't have to be fully convinced of what you're doing. You just got to do it. Whether there's intrepidation or not, it doesn't matter.

I remember David Hogan saying the same thing, and it really impacted my understanding of it. He says, it's okay to have fear. He said, there have been times I would go and I would do things and I'd pray against something or break something off or heal something or whatever. And I'd have this fear inside. He says, it's okay to have that. It's okay to have that fear inside when you're doing something or praying for something. But what you cannot do is bow to your fear. There you go.

Then you go into unbelief because your fear is telling you to to back off to not go forward and when you agree to that then you do what the apostles did in in matthew 17 where they prayed for the guy and they're trying to cast the demon out and it's not working and then jesus says bring the boy to me and he heals the boy on the spot. And he says, you faithless and perverse generation. This didn't happen because you're unbelief because they quit and they were going,

Jesus now help us because he wanted them to keep persisting and to keep going. So they were double-minded, perverse and faithless. And then they quit. So what I'm hearing from you so far today is persistence matters huh absolutely and that's how i define faith you know persistence even a sense of um so when you saw that miracle had you been praying for people previous to that and not seen any

miracles yet or was that like the first person you ever prayed for yeah throughout my life i did yeah i prayed and things like that never saw anything Because I really believe what I've seen is that so many people, we talk about persistence. We have to get out of our carnal mind. It's impossible by the world's standards to put your hand on someone and have cancer leave their body. It has to be supernatural. And sometimes we go out and we pray for three, we pray for five people, and we don't see anything happen. And we just say, well, that's not for me, and it's not even for today. You know, God doesn't do those things.

But, I mean, I think it was Todd White that said he prayed for like 2,000 people before he ever saw a miracle. Even Sean Hurley, who we both know well, Sean prayed for hundreds of people before he ever saw a miracle. So I don't know, maybe you can touch on that a little bit. Well, see, after I went to Africa, I saw healings and then I went back home, prayed for people, nothing was happening. And then I took a, I was in, and that was funny because in that period I was in like a depression. So I saw God do cool things while I was in that depression. And then I got out of depression like a few years later. And then I started doing street ministry and I just started praying

for people. And, and I remember going into a target playing for somebody. No, I asked him if I could, I could pray for them. And they said, no. And then I felt really discouraged. And the Lord says, good job, son. Good job. You're doing great. great great and i'm going but i didn't even get to pray for them and i couldn't understand that but he was teaching me he's like son it's every time you make an attempt the the power in you is building it doesn't matter whether you get the result it's the attempt you do and so what i started to understand about healing is it's like the power is in us, but it's all locked up. And so what happens, I remember God giving me this vision of like a hose and you have buildup on the inside. And the water is the power, the supernatural power.

And you turning on the spigot opens up the water channel. That's you praying, you doing the act of doing that. Well, there's buildup, and so the water is meeting resistance in a wall, but there's little trickles of water coming through. If you keep that water on long enough, meaning keep praying for people over and over, that's going to start eroding the buildup, which is the unbelief on the inside. And it'll start eroding it, and then there'll be a steady stream coming out of that. That's how it is with us.

And then if you take a break from praying for people regularly, then the buildup will start. It'll start building up again and start closing. You have to turn the water on again, and you've got to do the same exact process of eroding that out. I've done this many times just to prove it, where there have been seasons where I didn't pray for the sick and then I pray for people, nothing happens, like barely any power is coming out. And then I go, all right, what I need to do is go to the gym, meaning pray for people regularly again, because every time you pray, you're eroding that and it's building up that strength. And I know that in a short amount of time, I'm going

to start seeing healing and power coming out of my hands when I pray for people. So there was this one time where I was coming up to Canada. I hadn't prayed for the sick in a while, but I'm going, I'm going to really start praying for the sick this time when I come up. And so what I'm going to do is I'm going to start practicing praying on people. And I remember going, I'm going to really start praying for the sick this time when I come up. And so what I'm going to do is I'm going to start practicing praying on people. And I remember going to a meeting telling people that, oh, yeah, I'm going to pray for you right now. You're not going to get healed, but I'm just practicing on you right now. And they go, no, no, no, you're not supposed to do that. You're supposed to believe.

I go, trust me, I'm going to see healing quicker than you will. Just wait. And I just kept doing what I do and just kept praying for people. Every little thing I prayed for, I would. I'm sorry. Everything, everything I could pray for, I could. Like if anybody had a hangnail, I pray for, you know, any pain in their body. I would just use it as practice because I was building up. I was building that up in me, knowing that if I did it fast enough, then I'm going to see breakthrough.

So it's basically it's like you're going to the gym. If you go to the gym once a week, you're not going to get many gains. If you go every day or every few days, then you're going to see gains. It's the same thing with prayer. If you're not praying for people regularly, and I would suggest praying in person the best, that's the best. And then over the phone or your voice second. But doing prayer, praying for healing in your prayer closet, in my opinion, is the least effective. Laying hands in proximity is the best for healing results. But what I'm saying is if you do that regularly, like going to the gym, looking at it like going to the gym, then you're going to get your desired results fast.

But if you take breaks, you're just not going to see as much happen. You have to do it quickly in a short amount of time if you're going to see results. That's really good. I have a feeling that you're going to agree with me on this because I don't get caught up in numbers and percentages of people that I see healed. And I tell people this, I'm like, you know, they get discouraged because they're not seeing healings. They're not seeing signs and wonders. They've had prophetic words about healing the sick. And I'm like, well, you know, not that it's a, you know, a works thing, but it's like, who have you prayed for this month? How many people have you actually prayed for? And I tell them, I works thing, but it's like, who have you prayed for this month? How many people have

you actually prayed for? I tell them, I'm like, I can guarantee that I have seen a lot less, but a lot of people that I've prayed for that have not been healed. And that's just because I pray for so many people. Yeah. And see, like I said, the key is praying for people in a close amount of time. Because like I said, if you take a break, if you're doing it rarely, it's like that buildup will just start building back up. You need a constant flow. So if a person is constantly praying for people, they're going to see power coming out of them regularly. So like, basically, when I went to Canada and I was praying for people, within a week and a half, I was already starting to see results. Power was coming out of my hand. I was seeing healing happening of people I was praying, and it was starting to happen more and more, and nobody was seeing any healing.

But when I did it, it was happening. Because, like I said, the goal is you just got to do it in a close amount of time. You got to keep being consistent with it. If you pray for one person every six months, and that's the only time you're praying for people. And then, I mean, you know, that's tough. Exactly. And so that's what happens is a lot of people will say, yeah, I prayed for people so many times and do it all the time. I go, no, no, you got to do it as a lifestyle. It's got to be on a regular basis weekly. You got to be laying hands on a sick weekly. It doesn't matter if they get healed.

You just got to do the act of doing it. And by doing the act, you're going to build that up and then you'll see it happen. Like I said, if you're going to go to the gym once a week, you're just not going to bench 250 pounds. You're not going to hit 300. You're just not going to do it. You have to do it regularly to build up to that weight. And if you hit that number, well, then that's what will determine healing. Most people who move in a lot of power have had a lot of practice. Is that accurate? That's what it is. That is, that's the, that is the number one key of what will get a person to do healing. Now, if you want to add prayer and fasting onto that, then it supercharges it. So if you do prayer and fasting with the lifestyle,

then you bring it to the next level. And so, um, but, but I would say by far that the, the easiest way of seeing healing happen, healing happening is by doing it consistently. And I've taught this to all my friends back in the day. I just said, guys, just keep doing it regularly. Don't worry about it not happening. Just do it in a quick amount of time. Don't pray for healing once a week. Pray for at least three or four or five people a week.

And if you can do it every day, even better. Let me ask you a question on that, because obviously whenever we're out there in the world, you know, my experience is I don't wake up looking for encounters. I've been walking with the Lord so long and praying for thousands of people. And, uh, you know, I think it was Sean Hurley who said this, like you become the encounter, right? So like when I pray for people now, it's like 95% of the time, if I'm out on the street and the Lord leads me to somebody, you know, their, their heart's ready, whether, whether they know it or not. And almost always, is there something supernatural that happens? So somebody knew that maybe doesn't really know what it looks like to be led by the spirit. And they're just out there, you know, spearing people at the

mall and they're not being led by the spirit. And they're just out there, you know, spearing people at the mall. And they're not being led by the spirit. And maybe they're not seeing the fruit. What would you say to that comment or question? There's, I remember one time I was, I was asking God, I was going, God,

because I was going to go out on the streets that day. And I was going to, no, actually I was going to go to pray for somebody at the hospital. And I said, God, how many people are going to get healed a day? And he says, however many you want. And I said, okay. So I decided on the way to the hospital, I was going to stop at random places and just find people to pray for.

And that day, 11 people got healed. And now I think there are those spirit-led encounters where you feel the leading of the spirit and he draws you and it's a real strong draw. And then I've had some where I didn't feel any encounter. I just kind of went by the book and just said, well, there's a person there. What could it hurt if I approach them in a nice way and they deny me or whatever? Although the worst they'll do is just say no or, oh, thank you, but I'm busy right now. If I approached it right, you know, and didn't be pushy with them. Or it can turn into a conversation. So there would be, I would have situations like that.

Some would be like full-on spirit-led and then just some of it more of, it's up to me whether I wanted to do it or not. And some of that will also just be out, just learning your relationship and learning how to walk with Holy Spirit, learning how to hear his voice. I mean, in some ways it's very simple, but there's also a lot to it, right? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I think when you have those spirit-led encounters, I think sometimes there's like prayer behind that. Like say somebody's praying for a certain person. You don't know who this person is. But God is like, you're like the answer to somebody's prayer. Maybe they're crying out or maybe God, somebody else is praying for them and God is relaying that message to you.

And they're saying, I want you to go meet this person right, that person right there, I want you to say this and do this to them. Because sometimes there is prayer being answered. And they just said, you know what, I was crying out to God earlier this morning and I was asking God if you're real, blah, blah, blah, you know, like that. And you were the answer to that prayer. Let's never put him in a box. Right. So even if you aren't necessarily being led by the spirit, he still lives in you. So that means if someone says yes to prayer, they can still be healed. Right. Yeah. Yep. Yep. So true. So I've heard you talk before. I believe that this was you, um, you know, about when we talk about backs being

healed or maybe, uh, um, you know, I don't know. I feel like I've heard you talk before about the cost, um, when it comes to seeing, let's say the bigger miracles, blind eyes open and, and that kind of thing. Is that, is that correct? Have I heard you say that before? About, about seeing the bigger miracles, you want to see the cost that it would come with it? Yeah. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. Yeah, I think, like I said,

when you go into the lifestyle of prayer and fasting and add that incorporated, you incorporate that into what you're doing, then yes, there's going to be, there's just more sacrifice, I believe, if you want to do it. Because what are you trying to do? Like, a lot of people push against fasting, you're like, you don't need to do it. Well, A, number one, I'm not praying for the sick because I'm trying to get brownie points with God. I'm not fasting because I'm trying to get brownie points

with God. I'm doing this because I want to see people's lives changed because I'm just bearing the heart of Jesus. So I'm going out there with the drive of wanting to see transformation in people. So I'm going to do these things so I can better myself, so I can take what I'm doing to the next level, so I can operate at a higher level of power. I want to operate at a higher level of power because I want to knock out the bigger things that are standing in the way. And fasting is basically, it's not a hunger strike. You're not doing this so you convince God to do something for you or to give you an answer. Fasting is you are basically suppressing your soul.

You're making your soul be under subjection because your soul wants to eat. Your soul wants to feed itself, and you're telling your soul no and when you do that it makes your spirit man come more to the center in control where it that you start thinking and and living more from your spirit man from your soul and because of that you have more access to the holy spirit and the power and hearing god's voice is much more clear because you're bringing the spirit man closer to the center in control of your, of your body rather than your soul being in control. And so, uh, so when you fast, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're pushing the flesh down. So the flesh is, is getting out of the way and the spirit is coming more in the way, which is why you hear God a whole lot better in a fast. Dieting changes the way you look. Fasting changes the way you see, right?

Yeah. So it's just a benefit. You don't have to do it, but if you want better results, do it. It's just for you. Hannah Lapp watching live from Costa Rica right now. Praise God. Milton Winger says, this is good. Amen. Hey, thank you guys for sharing.

Thank you for watching. Thank you, Steve. And yeah, so we are, we're talking a lot about healing, a lot of good teaching coming from Steve on healing the sick right now. What would you say when it comes to moving in power, you know, walk with Holy Spirit? I know that you're a really good identity teacher. Can you maybe just talk about the importance of like really knowing who you are? Yeah, I think it starts by knowing the character and nature of God. The more you understand that your father is not going to bring the hammer down on you, the more it's easy for you to believe everything he's telling you about who you are. I think what happens is that people will see the father and they're just going to think

that the father gets upset like their mom and dad got upset with them. And they have to realize that God is so different than their mom and dad. He's patient. He's so extremely patient. He doesn't fly off the handle. I think a lot of times when people quote God, they're quoting God with the voice of their authority figures that they're used to in life, where God's talking harshly to them. Because again, they're just, they're superimposing those voices on what they think God is saying, the way they think God is talking to them. And so that shapes their view of God. And so they live in the relationship with God out of fear. And so it's hard for them to believe that God has endowed on them this identity that is so powerful and so big and so strong.

They just can't conceive that God would make you a son, a son of God, and seat you in heavenly places and make you into a king and have this type of royal bloodline that you come from. And then you've been given all of this authority. They just can't conceive that you would be carrying all of this and this would be given to you. So they just don't think that what God says about them in Scripture is true. They just cannot conceive that they really have been given so much and that they can overcome if they choose to take it up and choose to walk in what they've been told they have. That's good what you say because we don't believe what God says about us.

I've sent people to Romans 6 before because you've got to realize where I am in a, you know, a Southern small town, probably the two things I hear more than almost anything else is you're a sinner and God is in control. And I will literally send people to Romans 6 and say, just think about this from a different perspective, because you know, you're not a religious guy. I'm not going to sit there and debate with people and try to be right just think about it from this perspective and i will have people some of them actually watch it and they'll uh have deliverance just from reading it and others will say you know what i see what it says but like i don't i can't believe it because this

is not what i've been taught by the pastor and the pulpit my entire life. So maybe choose one. God is in control. You're a sinner. What would Steve Harmon say to that? God is definitely in control. You know me, that's definitely not what I say. I will be writing the book on it. So I'm already writing the book on it. I mean, other people have written some stuff, but I definitely want to have more of an exhaustive, god is definitely not in control and and and it's not because he's not powerful it's because he he he absolutely values free will he values it so much more than we understand he does not want to control people because he is not a human being he is not like us control is never love what's that control is never love that's right control is not going to confine you and i've just seen too many things over the years of god uh resisting from ever taking the opportunity to

control somebody he absolutely wants to give them their total freedom and autonomy. He really does because he wants them to make their choices. The other thing about identity and a sinner saved by grace, I wrote a song. And if I hadn't, my guitar open, I would sing it. Sing it, bro. Release it. You don't have to have guitar. Release it. I want to hear it. You know, the Lord gave me a song this morning, so I want to hear your song. Basically, it's like this. This is the words.

It's called No Religion, and it says, I'm not a wretch anymore or a sinner saved by grace. False humility gives God a bad taste. I'm a saint. I'm a child. I'm completely reconciled. My old man is dead, and now I get fed. Freedom's coming to the church. Freedom's kicking out the words. Freedom's coming to the church. Religious spirit, your time is over. No more, no more religion. So that's the chorus.

Well, I'd love to hear the singing voice, but that's still good lyrics. And then the bridge is, I'm a royal priesthood, new creation, son of God, joint heir with Christ. I'm justified and free from sin. Now I have his mind and made his bride. So you just declare that out. But it's all about coming off of that scripture of just saying, I'm a sinner saved by grace. I'm a sinner saved by grace, brother. I mean, I wrote that out of that sentiment of always being told that and like, oh, we're just garbage.

We're nothing and and uh you know we just my poor black heart that's the one i hear it's like come on yeah yeah it's it's that thing over and over again and they're not realizing um that it is so self-focused when they're doing that because that false humility is all inward. It just makes you look at yourself. I remember one time my girlfriend in the past, my then-girlfriend, we were worshiping. We were worshiping, and I'm just praising God and all this stuff, and then she's on the couch crying. She's on the couch crying. She's like, oh God, I'm feeling so bad about my past and everything.

And I've lived just such a horrible reprobate life. I don't know if she said all that, but she was just crying, just feeling sorry for how bad she was. And then I felt like the Lord wanted me to tell her something. And I said, I had her stand up and I said, the Lord wants you to stop focusing

on yourself and start worshiping him. And so she starts worshiping him. And from that day forward, she never did that. And she got into worship and God healed her through a lot of things in worship, physically got healed through worship, emotionally got healed through worship. But the point was, is that she was focusing on herself and the deception and false humility makes you believe that you're doing something amazing for god right and it's all deception you're right you're not you're totally you're putting the focus on you and you're not putting it on him and what he's done focus on him and and just thank him for what he says about you when somebody gives you a prophetic word and he prophetic word and God tells you how amazing you are, never, ever, ever deny it.

Always say thank you because thank you is a receiving posture. Because if God is telling you those things, this is not a dog and pony show where you sit there and you just show, oh, God, you're just so good and I'm just so bad. And he's trying to heal you when he does that. He's trying to grow you and mature you. And the only way it's going to happen is if you receive it. So if you block it out, then he's going to have to tell you to you again and again and again until you finally, it clicks in your head and you receive it. And it's going to stunt your growth if you don't receive what he's telling you who you are. It's a very simple nugget, but when we are believers and we look in the mirror,

we should see Jesus. That's right. Conforming us to his image. And every time he puts that stuff in you, he's making you into him. He's making you into him. This is good. We could talk about this like literally all day. I know we could share testimonies. We could go into so much, but this is only an hour show. So you guys please share it. We do have some questions coming in. Mike wants to know if you can just answer this really quickly. Steve, what happened to praying medic? Don't hear much from him anymore. Do you know? If you find him, he's out, out on telegram. Um, he's posting, he's got a thread that he releases every day on that. Um, I, I know he's, he is, he's been doing some healing

stuff. I'm not sure what he's doing politically. Um, but yeah, he's still doing some ministry. I know he got shut down a lot from a lot of organizations back in the day when he was really posting a lot. People were coming after him and strong-arming his platform to shut down on so many levels. It was pretty insane what happened to him. All right. Well, thanks for sharing that. So we're going to shift, And, you know, the Lord, it's interesting. He brings this show different directions. It's really not. I mean, this is the Lord's show. It's not mine. I bring on the people he puts on my heart to bring on. And we had a time where we were really into signs and wonders and healings. I know we've talked about that today, but then we went through some shows where we were really strong on identity. And then we had the month of the prophets.

And then, you know, now he's really taken us in these last few weeks, some tough things, some things that are even challenging for me to hear, but really about the authority we have over darkness, maybe how real the darkness is. And I know that with what you do, you know, the Lord has called you to some very, let's just say, challenging assignments. And I don't really necessarily know exactly the best way to ask you that, but share what you are doing, the things that you experience, you know, out there for what you're being called to do? I've been working with a lot of satanic ritual abuse survivors. I've been doing that since probably 2013.

And that's when I dipped my foot into it and took me for a ride because I was doing a lot of deliverance back then. And I remember getting shunned from some ministries because they just didn't like that I was doing a lot of deliverance back then. And I remember, you know, getting shunned from some ministries because they just didn't like that I was doing deliverance. And they said I was focusing too much on the darkness. All I was doing was casting out demons and sharing it with people. And they just didn't want me to share any of the stories. So I'm going, guys, I still heal the sick. I still talk about the love of God. I still talk about identity. I'm just doing what Jesus said to do to the other half, heal the sick. I still talk about the love of God. I still talk about identity. I'm just doing what Jesus said to do, too, the other half.

Heal the sick and cast out demons. When I started doing that, I remember asking God. And by the way, anytime you're healing the sick, you're going to be casting out a lot of devils in the process. Yes. Yeah, you're just going to run into it. I mean, if you're going out there, putting yourself out there, you're going to run into some cases. And it's going to run into it. I mean, if you're going out there, putting yourself out there, you're going to run into some cases. And it's going to happen. I remember praying and saying to God, God, give me the bigger cases.

Because I like doing deliverance. And the reason why I like doing deliverance is because it's the time that you really get to see the supernatural and the physical. And then it's just a good reminder that this is all real the battle is all real the fight is all real rather than being talked about the sermon you read it in scripture the devil demons principalities all this stuff you just hear about it but when you see it in front of you and you see it manifested in the physical then you go this is all real the scriptures are true there is a fight there is a war there is a real matrix that exists right and and and this battle is something that we we can't forget because if we forget about it then we take our foot off the gas and then we just start accusing people of being wrong and bad and horrible and all this stuff when you really see what's behind

the person and this is what is the real source of the fight and this is why we this is why paul said you don't war against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers and rulers of darkness because he wants us to understand who our real enemy is. And it's always a good reminder, even though you've seen at times, it's always good to have reminders over and over. And that's what deliverance serves to me. And when I remember asking God, I want to see the bigger cases. And then one day this woman, a friend of mine messages me and says, hey, Steve, this woman came into our healing rooms and we don't know what to do with her. We think she's in your camp.

So I'm like, OK, I'll meet her. And I met her and her husband and I started praying for her. She's on the couch. And I started praying some prayer. And then all of a sudden this demon in her manifested and came and put its head on my head like that. And says, you effing da-da-da-da-da. You know, I'm going to do this to you. And then I pushed back with my head, my forehead, pushed her back in the seat. I said, no, you sit down.

I go, you listen to me. I'm in charge here. You sit in that chair right there. And so this thing, you know, sat there and I had it in authority. But when I worked with her, before I did deliverance with other people, my angels could hold everybody. But when I started working with this person, my angels were not able to hold this person down interesting because i can i can do a lot of deliverance i can do deliverance online and i can just sit there and if the person is ever manifesting and i'm not saying every every case is a manifestation but if there's a real manifested demon coming out of a person i can just have my

angels hold a person right in that chair tie tie them up with invisible rope, and they will look like they've been tied up with invisible rope. And I will, you know, make them sit and they're going to listen to me as I break off whatever and cast them out. But this one didn't work. And it was not working. And I'm going, God, what's going on? Why isn't this working? And because there is different levels of power, and I think that's where some Christians have to understand, it's like demons are not at all the same level. If that was the case, we would be knocking out every demon on planet Earth, no matter where it was at, no matter what time of day. That's just not the case.

The reason why demons have power is because human beings give them the power. That's the only way, because they've been disarmed at the cross. So how do they get rearmed? Through sin, through iniquity, through curses. All of those things. And this is why demons are in charge of the world right now. This is why the kingdom of God is not. And if the kingdom of God was, then it would look like

heaven right now, and it doesn't. It doesn't look anything close to it. But this is where the church needs to understand that if, so like when I'm working with this thing, there's ways of overpowering this demon, as I learned over time, of how I was going to increase the level of power in me and decrease the power inside it. And the reason why this demon had a lot of power, or the demons, was because they were satanic ritual abused. And the reason why that's different than most cases is because of how the power is cultivated in that person when they're going through rituals. The rituals are there to create high levels of power in the person. And so this is why a lot of deliverance ministries cannot get people who are SRA, satanic ritual abused people, free when they just do their basic deliverance methods on them.

And they actually typically get more hurt in those ministries than they did get help because they don't know how to deal with a lot of it because it's, there's a lot to it. Um, I could spend hours and hours and hours explaining it. Um, but there is a lot to some of this stuff. Not everybody's like this, but in some of these cases, it's a higher level than usual. But there's always a way to win. There's always a way to overcome. Jesus always has the recipe, and when you just let the Father grow you and teach you, then he'll bring you up higher, and you're going to be able to take out anything that he puts you in charge of. It sounds like a lot of these cases, because, you know, many times where I pray for people and I mean, I've shared this before, I think even on the show, but I was literally casting out demons before I even realized I was casting out demons.

I didn't even realize I learned I was casting out demons until somebody that I prayed for actually saw a demon leave them. And it kind of freaked me out because I was like, Lord, you told me I was going to heal the sick. I didn't know I was signing up for this too, but it's all part of the package. But many times I don't. Sometimes people cry or there are some manifestations, but a lot of times not. But it sounds to me like you're saying with some of what you're doing, I mean, it can take not only hours, but it can maybe even take months. Is that what I'm hearing?

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Because like I said, there's, there's a lot more to it based off of the soul, based off of how the damage to the soul is being done in ritual abuse. It's a completely different ball game than a person going through some sort of abuse as a child just from a neighbor or something like that. When there is witchcraft involved, there is a meticulous way that the demonic is choosing to break the person's soul. And because it's broken in such a way, it makes it to where the demonic is more entrenched in the person making it harder to get out

and trust me and the reason why I'm saying all this is because when I first encountered it like I said I tried all my basic deliverance methods to do what worked for everybody until this situation and it wasn't working I've done over two or three to do what worked for everybody until this situation,

and it wasn't working. I've done over two or three, almost two to 3,000 deliverances up to this point and never saw anything like this. And I'm going, huh, okay. And I wouldn't say that a person coming out of witchcraft, like being a witch,

is on the same level as a person who is SRA, because it's almost a different ballgame. I would have more confidence taking a person out of witchcraft and seeing an instant shift in transformation of doing a deliverance on them if they came to Jesus, and seeing all these demons leave, than a person who was under ritual abuse as a little child systematically over the years there's going to be it's going to be harder it harder to get them free that's already a christian that's ritually abused than the witch coming out of witchcraft because of the the systematic foundational abuse of witchcraft and rituals that were being done on the person's soul. It's complicated, but that's why there's a lot of these people that I see try to get help over and over. So

many of these SRAs, survivors, they can't get help anywhere. They've gone to ministry after ministry after ministry after ministry, healing rooms after healing rooms. They've had tons of people pray over them, and they just cannot get any change and relief. And so I've seen a lot of Christians, they hit a wall and they go, geez, why isn't it working? And then they accuse them of not trying or doing what they're, accuse them of not cooperating, which they are, they're doing everything you tell them to do. But they're just not understanding that there's more sophistication being done into this. And that's why, like I said, it's going to take time to work with some of these people because there's things that you have to know about how the soul is being wounded

and the soul is being fractured. I call it fracturing. I talk a lot about what a wound looks like in the spirit realm. And basically your soul is breaking into pieces. And in ritual abuse, they systematically break the person's soul and then they assign demons to different parts of their soul. And it puts them in captivity in the spirit realm so why do you think god is called steve harman to this because i because i said god i'll do whatever you tell me to do and i'm not afraid of handling whatever situation because i looked at it like

this do you ever go here in those situations at all do you fear? I mean, I know you said a lot of stuff comes after you, right? I mean, you experience a lot. I've had so much witchcraft thrown at me, witches, all this stuff. This is why I talk about, you know, when I kind of complain every year about people making a big deal about Halloween and saying, go celebrate it and don't do this. I go, guys, I guess I get irritated by that because I go, this is nothing compared to the real stuff. And if you're thinking you're destroying the works of the devil by not handing out candy to little kids, you're sadly mistaken. I go, what the real issue is, is that there's real witchcraft going on in the world. And if you're going to ever trounce this stuff, you've got to use power, you've got to use prayer, and you've got to use love. You've got to love these people into the kingdom because they're so deceived. Witches are so deceived.

They're so delusional because of so much crap and wounds and past junk has gone on in their head. They need love. And if love was given to these people they would get free of a lot of their junk and and you have to break off a lot of the demonic attack over there over the delusion over their mind but but like i said i i i want to do this because jesus jesus would have gone, and he wouldn't have put his boundaries on certain areas. And I knew that I had to go and do the exact same thing. There could be no-go areas for me. If there was no-go areas for him, if there was no no-go areas for him, then I have to make

sure that I get strong enough to where I can handle any type of situation, no matter how crazy, how bad it is. I was going to change myself so I can do that. I thank you for sharing this. Some of this is even challenging for me to hear, but there is darkness in the world and we can't put our head in the sand, but ultimately we have authority over all of it, right? That's right. And we just need to know that we can do it. But like, like I said, a lot of Christians, when they hit something that they don't know how to confront, this is where they run away and they get afraid. And that's where we go back to what we said in the beginning about faith, pushing through persistence, never quitting. I learned from

healing the sick, how to do all of this hard, difficult stuff with witchcraft and with deliverance. I learned how not to give up because I always believed in my head there's always a key to open up every single door. And I will find that key if I don't quit and get discouraged because I hit wall after wall after wall. I know there will be a breakthrough

if I keep going around and keep looking and keep moving and I will finally get the revelation. And that has always proved to me to be true in any situation. Amen. Well, thank you, brother. We, you know, time flies when you're having fun and the show is almost up. I want to ask you, is there anything else on your heart to share about your ministry? Anything that's on your heart you would like to, for people to hear before we go? One thing I do is I definitely have turned my ministry more of ministering to people individually i i mean i do do that but not as regular my goal is to teach

people how to do the stuff that is what i see the greatest problem is in this world is that we don't have enough christians that know how to do. And I will be willing to teach people wherever, to go teach wherever. I want people to know how to heal the sick. I want people to know how to do deliverance. I want people to know how to do inner healing. I want people to know how to do all of the ministry that is needed to get any type of person free. And I believe the more people are equipped to do this stuff, the more we're going to start seeing this world change because it can't be done by the certain few that are out there doing it. We need the whole body of Christ being trained and equipped in how to do this.

So that's my heart. That's what I want to do the rest of my life. I appreciate you saying that. You know, it's good because, you know, early on in my walk, guys like you, I just want you to know that you do help those that are hungry. Because I remember, you know, six, seven years ago thinking like, my goodness, I'm the only one. And I know that Facebook can be used for bad, too. Of course it is. But, I mean, if it wasn't for other guys, women out there that I saw, you know, across the nation and other parts of the world doing this, like I said, I would have thought I was the only one. Yeah.

So thank you for just being bold and putting yourself out there and teaching and just knowing that it does impact people. So you don't know that I'm going to ask you this. I know you're a prophetic voice, and, of course, we have our show here in Charlottesville, and I just ask you, is there anything on your heart that you have from the Lord for this show or for our region? Let me just pray.

Father, right now, I just thank you, God, for what you're doing with Nate and his crew, God. I just thank you, Lord, that they are out there putting themselves in the streams of this world. And I thank you, Lord, that there is more kingdom being released through this.

I just speak, Lord, right now that they will be able to have an even greater influence over what they're doing, over the people around them, the people that are watching them, Father. I just speak, Lord, that the influence will go so much more than even this, than even where they're at right now, Father. I just speak, Lord, that the influence is going to reach people that would not have ever heard anything like this because they were not searching for it. Father, I just speak, Lord,

that this will be in the secular arena. And that's what I feel. I feel that this is going to be secular. I believe that you're going to bring this into the, you're going to have opportunities to bring this into the secular environment. And I don't know if it's TV or if it's radio, but I feel like you're going to be bringing this into the secular arena. All right.

You're going to have favor for this. Thank you, brother. Well, I'm being led by the Lord and whatever, like you said, if he's got, well, I'm always careful, you know, but many years ago I was like, Lord, whatever you call me to do, I'll do it. And when you say that, you got to better be careful because you don't know what he's going to ask you to do. Right.

Yeah. But bless you. I thank everybody for watching. Hey, guys, give Steve – I know you're not super active on social media, but the stuff you do post is really good. Give Steve Peace Harmon a follow on social media. Anywhere else that people can find you? My website, steveharmon.org.

I'm on that. I mean, I have some stuff on YouTube. I haven't posted enough, but there'll be a point where I'm going to start getting back into more social media. So, yeah.

Well, you're a blessing brother. You're a blessing. I thank you for your time. Just hold on just a minute. I'll talk to you when we, when the show ends, but I just want to thank you guys all for watching, for listening, for praying.

I speak life and peace and love and healing of your bodies and your minds in the name of Jesus. Hey, everybody have a good, safe, blessed Thanksgiving. Be kind to your family, love them, be a light. You never know who you could be making an impact on when there may be times where we go out and we're like, we don't want to do this. We don't want to be with family. Let's show the world that we are different. And I need to take that advice myself. So bless you guys.

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