The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Teen Caught Making Bogus Rockingham Threats; Phony Threats Running Rampant In Public Schools

Episode Date: September 20, 2024

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Good Friday afternoon, guys. I'm Jerry Miller. Thank you kindly for joining us on the I Love Seville show, the last show of the week. A lot to cover on the program. It's been a great week of programming for the I Love Seville Network. Content has been diverse, eclectic, and I think thought-provoking. A lot I want to cover on today's program. We will talk on today's show about hazing at the University of Virginia. Kappa Sig, a noteworthy, prominent, historically prestigious fraternity at the University of Virginia, is now terminated at UVA. It could

potentially return to the University of Virginia but not until 2028, 2029 at the absolute earliest. I'm gonna ask you this question viewers and listeners. Hazing at UVA and I'm gonna speak from speak from a firsthand perspective as a man who went through hazing that I went through 20 years ago as a goat or pledge at Phi Kappa Psi. I want to ask you this question. If hazing is the same at UVA, why is the response to said hazing so significantly different? Is that a reflection of culture and society today? The hazing really has not changed the types of acts that first-year pledges are doing to get into a fraternity that yields relationships, upside, networking, business opportunity for decades to come once you're in. The activities these

pledges are performing are pretty much the same, but the response from society is a hundred and eighty degrees different. I'm to make a ballsy statement here. The likelihood of fraternities at the University of Virginia withstanding the test of time, and I will characterize time as we're in the year 2024, about to enter the fourth quarter of 2024. Let's just say from now until 2030, I think the likelihood of fraternities at UVA withstanding the next six years of sustainability, I would put it at a below 50% at what UVA is today, at what Jim Ryan's university is today. A lot we're going to cover on

today's program. There is a Rockingham County teen that has made bogus threats to a There is a Rockingham County teen that has made bogus threats to a public school in Rockingham County. Multiple, multiple bogus threats. These hoaxes, these phony threats to public schools, to say it's running rampant is to say you need

oxygen to survive. They are out of control right now. We talked on Wednesday's show, a sheriff in Florida is doxing the preteens and teens who are making those bogus threats, putting their name, their picture, on the social media channels

of the Florida police chief's jurisdiction. What can we do about this? And I'm going to ask a follow-up question. You follow the news. I follow the news. Judah follows the news. You, the viewer and listener, are an educated audience. The hoaxes and the threats, the bogus claims, are in significant majority impacting public schools. Why are they impacting public schools at such an aggressive clip?

But we hear none of this in a private school situation. And we would hear about this in a private school situation because the police show up. And when the police show up and that is called into the scanner, the news hears about it. And this is low-hanging fruit for news outlets to report upon. So I want to ask you that question. Why is it impacting public schools and not really private schools, these bogus threats? I think there's a good answer to that. Ginny Hu's already got some perspective that she wants to share.

I'm going to get to Ginny's tweet in a matter of moments. I have an email that was sent to me yesterday, a regular listener of the I Love Seville show. A small business owner in this community, three generations, 60 years this business has proudly served the community. He's offered a survival playbook or inside the numbers type deal of what it's like to be a small business owner via email. Get ready for this one. We're going to talk on today's program, the importance of UVA's game against Coastal Carolina. This is probably the last game on the 2024 schedule that Virginia will be favored to win. Wow. I want you to hear what I said. ESPN's power poll, its metrics tracker,

as of now, this is the last game Virginia's favored to win on the schedule. This is a must-win game for the embattled head coach, Tony Elliott. I want to remind all the viewers and listeners that the Jefferson Council, the president of the organization, will join us live on the show on October 3rd. I encourage you, the viewer and listener, to go to the Jefferson Council website, jeffersoncouncil.org,

click the News tab on the menu bar, and read the blog post titled UVA Board Stacking the Deck for Another Year. It pretty much outlines how the ghost of former governor Ralph Northam still runs the BOV, creating a Teflon Don scenario for Jim Ryan, a fascinating read by James Bacon. A lot we're going to cover on today's program. Like and share the show.

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Cocktail is so good. Art is so good. So much to cover on the program. We welcome Judah Wickhauer on a two-shot. Which headline do you find most compelling today? Jack of all trades, jack of all wits, Judah B. Wickhauer. Like I said, with all the threats going on at schools, I think it's a good discussion to have. And I think you've raised an interesting question in why we don't see this type of behavior, this type of

problem happening as much in private schools as public schools. Please subscribe to our YouTube channel. Follow us on YouTube. Just search Jerry Miller now on YouTube. Subscribe to our channel. We love when you watch there. We love when you offer comments there. Watch there. So who, what, when, where, why of Rockingham County? Another one in the area. Rockingham, not quite in central Virginia, but in the area. Remember earlier this week, a six-year-old came to Orange County Elementary with a loaded handgun. Set the stage for rockingham county rockingham county has been looking for the uh the person creating threats on social media targeting

three schools in rockingham county and they've recently found the 14-year-old who was behind the threats. A 14-year-old was making bogus threats at multiple schools at Rockingham County. Yeah. Think about that, ladies and gentlemen. This 14-year-old was not just targeting the school that he attended. He was sprinkling the bogus threats around to other schools in his district. That's another level of problematic. It's not just a 14-year-old that doesn't want to go to school that day

or doesn't want to take a trigonometry test that day. He's calling out the police and authorities to other schools in Rockingham County. What the H-E-double hockey sticks is going on? Keep going, Judah. There's not a whole lot more of these. At least the name of the child is not added in this paper. I don't know if the Rockingham sheriff will decide to follow suit with what's going on in Florida.

I kind of doubt it, but perhaps it's necessary. We talked about that yesterday. If this kid is not afraid of the consequences of his actions, maybe he'd be afraid of being outed and looking bad. Dots. Yeah, as sad as that is to say. And there are a lot of cases of school violence threats that just this one paper has been reporting lately,

just in the last week, week and a half. That's a TV station. WHSV. All right, rotate the lower thirds on screen. Moms and dads watching this program, any viewer and listener, regardless if you're a parent or not, Gary Palmer, Kevin Sullivan,

Brittany Gray, Travis Hackworth, Katie Pearl, Scott Ratcliffe, Jesse Rutherford, G. Milo, Ellie Tucker, Georgia Gilmer, Chad Wood, Sarah Hill Buchenski, Juan Sarmiento, Alex Witten. I'm going to ask this question. Why are the phony threats, the hoaxes, the bogus threats,

why are they running rampant in public school settings? And why do we hear none of these in private school settings? I think there's a good answer to that. The police come out for these hoaxes and investigate them. A call is made from the schools on a scanner that news outlets track. If the threats were made in private school settings, we would hear about them. Taxpayer resources are being deployed. Why are they running rampant in public schools and not in private schools? I want to have that very somewhat awkward conversation today. Ginny, who has this?

Why is it awkward? Why is it awkward? Yeah. Anytime you have a conversation when it comes to public and private schools, it has a level of awkwardness to it. Okay. That's a question right there. Why are the discussions awkward? Why are the private and public school conversations awkward?

I don't think it's awkward. But you don't have kids. I'm not sure. How often do you have these conversations outside of the show? I'm still not sure why it would be awkward. I'll leave that to the viewers and listeners. Ginny Hu says this, because there are more likely to be consequences and follow-up by private schools. When I was at Nansman Suffolk Academy, there were multiple bomb threats, and those were tracked down

and nipped in the bud very quickly. Your take on this, Judah? Yeah, I agree. And to add to that, I think public schools have far more leeway in how they can react to these situations a student who is uh consistently showing that type of behavior is not going to be sticking around at that public school for very long where in uh in uh in the case of public schools public schools often have overworked teachers, overworked staff, and far less leeway in what they can do. They're, in a lot of cases, I think, probably not allowed to... You can expel a kid for calling a bomb threat to school. You can, but how often do you

think that actually happens? That's a great question. I would love to know the answer to that. I think it's far less likely that the school will do much more besides, you know, slap them on the wrist. You're telling me a bomb threat, a gun violence threat, some kind of threat on a school posted on social media is yielding slaps on the wrist by public schools? We were just talking a year or so ago about students roving halls. If we think that's an event that doesn't happen anywhere else, I think that's, I think you're crazy. I think that... And follow up to that story, when last fall, when the first principal quit mid-year at Charlottesville High School, and went front of the program, Kenny Leatherwood took in, took over as the interim

principal at Charlottesville High School, and the Morgan Freeman Joe Fields he said he was going to boot the kids from school he said we will rule with iron fists here yeah and we will boot them from school and that's how he got law and order back in play and before he came in they weren't doing that and I think a lot of schools are probably the same. I don't know that they have actively roving bands of kids at all times, but I'm sure it happens. And I think it just illustrates the fact that there's often very little that a school, I don't know if it's can or will do about that type of behavior. To add to that, if you've got students that are repeat offenders, students have to continue to go to school. If there's any repeat offender of a bomb threat, shame on the school. Certainly. But a student needs to go to school, right?

I don't think a student needs to go to school. What happens to a student that gets expelled? You go to go to school, right? I don't think a student needs to go to school. What happens to a student that gets expelled? You go to an alternative school. Like I said, a student has to go to school. And if you do a bomb threat at an alternative school, like the kid that had the gun next to Buford in the alternative school, was it Pathways? New Pathways?

Yeah, it was just like three students there, right? Yeah. If that kid is still in the alternative school school was it pathways new pathways yeah it's just like three three students there right yeah if if that kid is still in the alternative school and he brought a loaded gun to his last chance resort and he's still there shame on new pathways where do they send them out after there's nowhere else to figure it out who's gonna figure it out that's the problem i think is that the schools figure it out i don't know if they're not allowed the kid needs to figure it out the family needs to figure it out well one kid can't hold the majority of the student body hostage i agree because of behavior i agree but saying figure it out is not is not a an answer i i disagree it's just a it's just a pat

it's not an actual, you're not discussing what's going to happen. They should not be allowed back in the alternative school. They should not be allowed back in the school system. That may be true, but do you actually think that the schools are going so far as to say, look, we can't have you anymore? Janice Boyce-Trevillian, I'm going to get to your comments.

Juan Sarmiento, I'm going to get to your comments. I'm asking this question. Here are the questions I'm asking you, the viewer and listener. These are very serious topics. The phony hoaxes, the phony threats, the hoax threats, are out of control. They cost taxpayers money. Even more damning than costing taxpayers money, they are keeping a generation of students from learning properly

and keeping a generation of students in a fragile state, almost walking on eggshells, like what is going to happen this week? When are we going to see police with guns on our campus for what could be real or could be not? And the scariest thing about this is, is the hoax threats marginalize the response or impact the response if it's actually a real threat? I was just going to say, thankfully, I don't think we've had a situation where cops were at one school for a threat when an actual shooter was at another school and they'd lost time or could have been there, could have saved lives. Praise the Lord.

I don't think we've had a situation like that, but how long until that does happen? Rotate the lower thirds on screen on this topic. In the case of this Rockingham County teen, he's made bogus threats not just to the school he's attending but to other schools in the rockingham public school system he's called or or claimed or posted published on social media bogus threats they finally tracked him down that's a different level of of different level i'm going to cut to the chase that's a different level of criminal.

Doing it at the school you attend and then doing it at other schools that you're not attending is a different level of criminal. And I hate to bring this up because I don't want to give someone ideas, but what happens when the next psychopath gets the idea to call in a bunch of threats to other schools so that the response time will be longer at the school where he actually intends to show up? That's terrifying.

Terrifying. Terrifying, terrifying, terrifying. I'm asking this question. A, question number one, why are the hoax threats impacting public schools at a much more significant frequency than private schools? You rarely, if ever, hear this impacting private schools. B, should the student who calls in the bogus threat be expelled immediately, not even given a second chance. C, if the public school system is giving the kid a second chance after making a bogus threat

and the kid does it again, is the adult accountable for giving the kid a second chance? Who would you hold accountable? That's a question I have for you. Whoever ultimately made the decision? Yes. The principal?

Superintendent? This goes up to the superintendent. Next question. How do school boards in 2024 manage this issue? If I was a school board member in 2024, this would be front and center of my action plan. Front and center. It would be right there next to budget. A lot to uncover. A lot of topics, comments coming in. Sarah Hill Buchenski, SHB.

Her photo on screen. I respect Sarah Hill Buchenski tremendously. Mother of two. Parents that are sending their kids to private school are usually making huge financial sacrifices and therefore may be more involved and invested, literally, in their kids' education. Parents in private school are going to hold every kid very accountable.

Certainly not saying that there are not invested involved parents at public school. Do not misunderstand me, but the percentage is probably lower. She also says also private schools are smaller and more autonomous. Yeah, I agree with all that. And I think the type of student that would end up committing something like this, I think is less likely to last very long at a private school. They're more likely to take action in regards to a student that would make the school look bad. Janice Boyce-Trevillian, her photo on screen. JBT, I love when you watch the show. They get expelled at private schools. Public school kids have more options.

Also, kids with special needs such as ADHD are under the Disability Act and often cannot be expelled. Something to consider, fellas. Exactly. Something to consider, fellas. She also says this. My daughter's life and other kids were threatened in 1999 in Maryland. The child could not be expelled. He was protected under the Disability Act.

He went to alternative school for one semester and then was readmitted without notifying us, the parents, the next semester. We paid for a lawyer and lost our case. The best the school could do was keep him out of the hallways at the same time as my daughter and the other kids who we threatened. She was a graduating senior and had been in this school system for 12 years

and wanted to graduate with her friends. It was a terrifying situation for our family. Yeah, see, sometimes they just can't do anything about it. Juan Sarmiento, his photo on screen. Expelling a student is a long process that strains the resources of the already overworked public school employees. Juan Sarmiento also says the student should be expelled but most likely they would be sent to an alternative school with other problem students. And he says this is the last show of the summer boys.

Vanessa Parkhill watching the program. Her photo on screen, Queen of Earlysville. How does the kid still have a social media account if he's posted multiple threats? People got put in Facebook jail for asking questions about COVID. The Rockingham kid, I don't know the details of where he's posted. I doubt he's posting on Facebook, though. Most likely where he's probably posted would be a disappearing social media content platform like Snapchat.

Or someplace where you don't have to have your actual name. Maybe TikTok and a place where you likely can create a burner account. Could be wrong on that. The point of today's conversation is you pick up, I'm aging myself, you pick up a newspaper.

Who's done that? Good Lord. You log on to a news website and this is the dominant headline. You can't get away from this headline. Is it a sociology, anthropology? John Blair, I'm coming to you next. Why is it happening in public schools?

Why is it not happening in private schools? Because they've already weeded out the type of student that is likely to do something like that. John Blair shares links on LinkedIn to two separate school threat incidents in Danville. Travis Hackworth in watching in Danville.

He says, given the age given the age, he said, given that we're in an age of school shootings, I believe that any child age 14 and over that makes a bomb threat or a threat of violence such as shooting someone must be expelled from the school. However, they should be provided homebound instruction until the age of 18. We're just at a point where this risk is too great to play with. I agree 100%. I find myself often agreeing with John Blair. By often, I mean like 99% of the time. There's no second chances.

It's expulsion. You can't be on public school grounds anymore. Go to your house and learn. We will provide you some curriculum for you to stay up with your peers, but you're going to be doing this on your own with the help of whoever your parents trust or your parents themselves. I'm past the point of empathy and patience. Ginny Hu, any male student who did that at Nansman Suffolk Academy got shipped off to Fork Union Military Academy. Not sure where you would send a female student, however. She also said, let's not forget the Nashville shooting was a private Christian school. That's when I started hiring private security for all our

homeschool events. Ginny Hu, appreciate your comments right there. The Rockingham headline is disheartening. Where the teenager is doing it to not just the school he's attending. This week, on Monday or Tuesday, my wife spent two or three days discussing the six-year-old the same age as our oldest with a loaded gun in his backpack at Orange County Elementary. That's in central Virginia, folks. Multiple viewers and listeners let us know that in the spring, a kid brought a gun to the alternative school

next to the Boys and Girls Club on Cherry Avenue by Buford. And the same week, a sheriff in Florida said, I'm done with this BS, and I'm going to dox the kids, even if it gets the department in trouble, on our social media channels if they do this. Their photo is going to be on the police Facebook page, and their name will be with their photo, and what they did will be on the social media post. So here's another reason we're probably seeing more of this in public schools than private schools. Here's a statistic from 2021 where there were about 11 million students

enrolled in private schools in the U.S. versus 63 million students in public schools. So even if... Cite your source on that? This is from Statista. Okay. So even if... There's a greater sample.

Even if we, yeah, even if we just... That's a point that needs to be made. Even if we just hand wave and say that proportionally the same happens in both, then there would still be less going on in public schools. And as our viewers have said, private schools have more leverage and leeway in either getting kids with bad behavior to straighten up and fly straight or getting kicked out. Whereas oftentimes public schools just have to put up with a student like that. Before we get off this topic, I'm going to ask this question.

Why have we not seen this topic on the agendas of school boards locally? Why haven't we seen this topic as a talking point with those in attendance at school board meetings? You don't think school board members would shy away from the divisive nature of something like this? Why would they shy away? Help me understand why. Because... Kevin Higgins, why? SHB, why?

I think a lot of them would have a hard time saying, hey, these are the things we're going to... These are things that we're going to punish with expulsion. No questions asked. And you, you, I think they'd get a lot of pushback. They would get pushback? Yeah. I, I,

you think the moms and dads of, of, of public school students would push back on their elected officials for protecting their kids? Yeah. This isn't book banning. This isn't, you know, DEI. This is keeping kids safe. I agree. I don't think you'd get pushback. I think they would. Viewers and listeners, would you, if at an Alamaro County school board meeting,

the school board members said these are going to be the new punishments and R&R rules and regulations for phony and bogus threats and how we're going to handle them? If any kid is caught making a threat, he is automatically expelled. I think you'd get some pushback. I'm not saying that's right or wrong. I'm just saying that I think you'd get some pushback.

I don't... I hope that was not the case. Wouldn't be the case in our household. Good. I'm at a loss for words with what you just said there. That people in this community, parents in our community, would push back on school board members who have stringent or stronger punishment for students that call in bogus threats that's the 2024 world we're living in now shame on people that want to punish kids for threatening violence at schools i'm that's you're saying. I can't believe you're

surprised. Again, we were talking about kids threatening violence in schools, not in quite the same way, but wandering the halls looking for fights, hitting teachers. How many of them do you think were seriously punished? I can't believe I'm saying this here. I can't believe I'm saying this here. Wandering the halls unchecked and looking for fights, like what happened this past fall at Charlottesville High School, is actually a ladder rung lower in criminality than these hoax bogus threats on the school in totality the 30 some students that the 30 some students that were running unchecked at charlottesville high school were undoubtedly creating a negative quality of life for the school, but the school still ran. The hoax bogus threats puts the school on ice and keeps it from running and creates a police logjam of resources.

The hoax bogus thing is, in my eyes, way more criminal. I don't necessarily disagree. Really, I didn't even want to say it, what you said. And I've been thinking 100% what you said. And I didn't want to say it of like, calling the bogus threat over here and the real threat happens over there.

That's effing terrifying. And that's something I've been thinking about 100%. Yeah. It's like, don't even want to go down that hole. John Blair, it's important to note that homebound instruction includes a teacher who comes to the home once or twice a week to assist the student.

This isn't denying anyone education, but I am sorry, ask yourself this. If a kid makes a threat and you let them back in school and God forbid they kill or injure another student, how do you live with yourself as a school division? That's the point I'm making. If you offer patience and empathy and sympathy in a second chance to a kid who makes a threat and he comes back and does it again, don't you have to hold the adult accountable? It was like in Northern Virginia.

I don't know if I agree with that. Ginny Hu can help me with this. Ginny Hu can help me with this. Ginny Hu can help me with this. Other parents watching the program can help me with this. There was a school in Northern Virginia where the superintendent allowed a trans, it was a female student that was identifying as a male. That student then raped another female student. And then that student was given a second chance

in that school system and did it again. It was a woman who identified as a man? A female student who identified as a man? A female student who identified as a man was allowed to use women's restrooms. Wouldn't that have been a man identifying as a woman? Thank you. You're right. That's what it was. That's what didn't make sense.

That's what it was. I was going to say how did a woman... Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It was a male student identifying as a woman. Yeah. Was able to use the women's restroom. Raped a female student. Was apprehended.

And then was given a second chance by the school system. And did it again. Someone shared the link. That's terrible. That is an actual story that happened. Ginny Hu would be able to share that link with me if she's watching in real time here. Any of the viewers and listeners,

I can't Google that right now because I'm doing a talk show, but that literally happened. SHB says, wouldn't metal detectors alleviate all of this? That's why I get back to the statement I made yesterday about... Wait, how would metal detectors alleviate threats? Because if you have the metal detectors in place,

you're able to cross-check the threat much easier. Like, how is the violence going to get in, the threat going to get in, the bomb going to get in, if there's a detector at the front of the school? That's the point she's making. And after I made my claim about the metal detectors, remember I said, you walk through a metal detector at Scott Stadium, you walk through a metal detector at the John Paul Jones Arena,

you walk through a metal detector at the John Paul Jones Arena. You walk through a metal detector at the Charlottesville Admiral Airport. You walk through a metal detector at Davenport Field. You walk through a metal detector at the hospital. And Judah, you walk through a metal detector when you buy your lingerie for your special

lady at Victoria's Secret. It's not a metal detector. No, it was for comedic relief at the time. Juan Sarmiento said, Jerry, It's not a metal detector. No, it was for comedic relief at the time. Juan Sarmiento said, Jerry, that's not a metal detector. It's detecting the underwires in the bras. Multiple other parents said, you also walk through metal detectors at all these other places. I want you to think about this.

How many times minors walk through metal detectors all the time when they're not in school? They're walking through metal detectors at Charlottesville Public Schools at athletic events that are 250 people or more. That's the new rule. Yet, we have a big fuss about putting them at the schools. They're doing it everywhere. Everywhere. But they're not doing it at the place where there is the greatest density of people in one location

at their most frequent part of their life. And have been places where these things often happen. The violence. You push back on me on that. You pushed back on me on that. You pushed back on me on that because you're creating a path to prison environment is what you basically said. I didn't say that I think that. I said that a lot of parents would likely think that.

Maria Marshall Barnes. I agree holding students accountable and support immediate expulsion. Vanessa Parkhill says, how about clear backpacks before metal detectors? Does the school pay for those? That's the challenge. I bet you the clear backpacks would cost more than the metal detectors. Parents have to buy their own clear... That's the challenge. I bet you the clear backpacks would cost more than the metal detectors. Parents have to buy their own clear... That's the problem.

Is there a company that gets the... The clear backpack contract? Yeah. And becomes rich off of every school in America forcing their students to buy from... Is the people that are making the cell phone patches? Yonder? Yeah. Are they the

clear backpack makers? That'd be a major win for the company. Kevin, Bill McChesney watching the program. The mayor of McIntyre who's watching the show from Greenville, South Carolina today. We appreciate you watching the program while on the road. Bill McChesney. He says, put him in prison and we'll

find out what happens. I can't say that. I'm not going to finish what he just said. Kevin Higgins, I have two children in Alamo County Public Schools, and I have no idea what the bull snap procedure is when a threat is made. On multiple occasions this year already, parents have received end-of-the-day emails regarding threats made the night before. We need an idea of what happens once a threat is received, all the specifics, and a plan to monitor the schools. I think these threats require permanent expulsion with county assistance with mental health services. He says a couple of nights in prison would not be a bad idea either. That was the point that the Orange County mom made.

She had a kid in the class of the six-year-old who brought the gun, and she reported to NBC 29. She said, I didn't know that there was a loaded gun in my kids class for hours after they found it yeah and she's like I should have been notified immediately but what would have changed it's called building and maintaining trust okay and and communicative transparency. If you don't have trust, it's the whole issue that we have with UVA Health. The essence of the 128 doctors from the University Physicians Group

that wrote the letter saying fraudulent billing, changing medical charts to maintain performance standards, cronyism, nepotism, bullying, leveraging of promotions to maintain power. That whole premise was an erosion of trust. And if patients and their families don't have trust in their caregivers, then the health system breaks.

It's like a house of cards. The house of cards, the proverbial brick and mortar is trust. And it's the same with the school system. The proverbial brick and mortar that maintains the school system is the trust that the parents have that the school system will keep their kids safe when the parents are not around. I've said all the time on this program, the primary jobs for a school system are as follows. Get kids to school on time, maintain their safety, get kids home on time safety, and then learning is fourth. But isn't prioritizing keeping your

kids safe better than prioritizing getting an email out to everyone after your child is safe? The email is part of the safety. That the parents need to know that they are going to be notified right away if their kid's not safe. If hours go after an event happens at the school, then the parent is going to have in the back of their mind what is happening today. And that erodes trust. Do you get it? You see what I'm saying? I mean, it just, it sounds like parents sitting around stewing in fear. I'm sorry. I'm just, I know what you're saying. I get it. Everybody wants to know what's happening as it's happening.

But I'm arguing that sending out an email doesn't help anybody. All it does is appease people that want that information right away. And I know, I'm probably in the wrong here. Do you know how many parents would be pissed off if a loaded gun was found in their kid's school and they didn't get notified about the loaded gun in their kid's classroom until hours after the incident actually happened? I get it. But my argument is still that nothing has changed there at no point could the parent have done something to affect the situation. It was already over. We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Because that lack

of communication would erode my trust in said school. 120. We have other topics we have to get to. What's the next one on the rundown? I thought you did a great job on that. What's the next one, J-Dubs? Kappa Sigma. All right, I'm going to ask a very straightforward question. I was a Phi Psi at UVA.

I pledged. I was hazed. I went through a hell week, a semester of pledging, all for the right of passage of being a fraternity brother at an iconic fraternity that created networking, business upside, parties, girls, live music music memories. From my standpoint, a half semester of hardship for the return on investment of three years, three and a half years of networking and fun and brotherhood and connection and then the years after that followed was worth it kappa sig was a fraternity right across from rugby road from phi kappa psi the house i was in

kappa sig a noteworthy and prestigious fraternity at uva across from kai phi another noteworthy and prestigious fraternity at uva kappa sig just got terminated by UVA. The earliest Kappa Sig could potentially come back to UVA is 2028, 2029, and that's probably a stretch. Yeah, it's usually a four-year. The hazing that was done at Kappa Sig that led to their FOA being terminated, their fraternal organization agreement was putting hot sauce on the private parts of pledges, drinking to excess, stripping down to their underwear, having to have a pledge pack that included cigarettes, nicotine patches, condoms, and five-hour energy drinks in them.

Getting spanked, ridiculed, kept up for long hours without able to sleep. I mean, effing hazing. They got hazed. It was hazing. This is the exact same stuff that I went through. I went through way worse than this. I'll cut to the chase for you. Swallowing live goldfish, we did, seven of them. Slept out in a barn. We were goats. Slept outside in a barn. Slept in a barn on some farm we had no idea. We were picked up on Rugby Road, blindfolded, thrown in the back of a van, and dropped off in a farm and a

barn somewhere. I have no idea where it was. Blindfolded. Had to stay there for a week. Slept there outside in the freezing cold. Like, worse than this. This is the question I have for the viewers and listeners. Hazing 20 years ago versus hazing today is basically the same.

If not, it's slightly easier than hazing versus 20 years ago. Okay. Slightly easier. But the response to said hazing is 180 degrees different. Is that not a good thing? Why is that the case over a 20-year period of time? That's the topic for the show. I would say because maybe it's time we said,

I'm sorry, just because past generations engaged in this type of behavior does not mean it's okay. Vanessa Parkel, you're 100% right. The Kappa Sig headquarters is right here in Charlottesville. Right here. Right here. Right off of 20 South as you head to Scottsville.

Yeah. I've driven by it a bunch of times. Some of those things can kill people, and sometimes they have. Sometimes they have. I mean, we're just talking about what is okay. Is it okay to leave a student in a school who's been creating threats? Is it okay to allow organizations like fraternities to endanger students' lives? The student chooses to enter into that world. And so how long before some fraternity gets the bright idea to create a, what would you call it, a, here, sign this, sign off on, I know what i'm doing may cause uh bodily harm injury or death

yeah fraternity should probably do that that would at least protect them uh that's a genius idea in a court of law it might be it's idea the waiver should do that probably still wouldn't protect them from getting their charter removed but uh it might legally protect the leaders of the fraternity who were involved. I was social chair and rush chair, social chair and rush chair, and philanthropy chair. I remember the president always, always worried about liability. Always. And wisely so. Always worried about it.

When you're having people swallow live goldfish, you know somebody could die doing that? Like there's a guy that swallowed a slug and... Seven of them, straight. Slugs or goldfish? Goldfish, seven straight. They don't go down easy. I'm serious. First-hand perspective.

Oh, man. I hope you're not defending this type of ad. I'm asking the question. It's a topic for a talk show. The hazing hasn't changed. Right. But the response to the hazing has. Yeah. I mean, but that's like the response to the hazing has yeah i mean but that's like and and i'm not saying that you're uh you're pushing this idea but that's like saying that oh well uh we've always had racism and uh and so why why is the response different now? Because it's always been a bad thing.

I'm asking the question. Pointing something out. I understand. SHB. I think the differences kids of yesteryear may have been more mature and had real world knowledge about risk than the kids now.

I'll be honest. Hazing terrifies me. Kids die when they drink too much, and no one is in capacity to help. Literally, kids' frontal lobes aren't fully developed yet. Bill McChesney. When I was a teenager, there were certain unsafe events that happened outside of school that were out of any adult's hands.

Some of these were lucky to survive. It was not hazing. The reason older people seem wiser is because we have run out of stupid things to do. Kevin Higgins, I was going to have fish tonight for dinner. I was going to have fish tonight for dinner. 86 that. Thanks a lot. Maria Marshall Barnes, I cannot imagine wanting my son to do this. I would be so upset. My parents were not happy. My brother followed my footsteps and pledged the same fraternity. Stacy Baker Patty, people die being hazed. So maybe it should stop. Kind of like wearing seatbelts prevent death and automobile accidents. Vanessa Parkhill, I'm not a fan of some of the drinking associated with hazing. Too much can go wrong with that. At the end of the day, people sign up for this.

It's not like it's a requirement to attend the university. I lean toward your side on this one, Jerry. I'm not trying to make a side here. I'm just pointing out something that I've observed. This is what I've observed. The hazing has gotten less severe. Less severe. You think so? No, I know so. I know so. I have firsthand perspective on this. Okay.

I know so. I remember one day I had to drink an entire gallon of milk in like five minutes. You ever drank an entire gallon of milk in five minutes? I've never drank an entire gallon of anything. You do realize if you drink too much water, you could die. We had to drink an entire gallon of water in five minutes. You could drown doing that.

I know. You could die. You have the feeling of drunk intoxication from drinking a gallon of water. Water quickly. Yeah, because it messes with your electrolytes. Beer kegs left outside in the sun for weeks on end and then tapped and drank. Stripped down completely naked,

streak and run through the sorority house next door. Some of the things. The folks that are choosing to do this can sign up to go to war and be in the military or join a police force. At 18 you can go to war. You can fight for your country and put your life on the line. At 18, you can join a police force and fight a criminal in a back alley if he's breaking the law. At 18, you can go through a burning house as a firefighter and rescue people. The same 18-year-olds are choosing, and frankly,

in many cases, they're 19, because this is the second semester of their first year. So in many cases, they're 19. Rush, it goes rush, and then pledging doesn't happen right after rush. So many of them, large majority of them are 19. You're talking 19-year-olds here are choosing to do this. These are, by the letter of the law, adults here. Some for you to consider at your cocktail party this weekend. The hazing has gotten less severe, but the response to said hazing is

180 degrees different. And I'll close this topic by saying this. The likelihood of fraternities making it into 2030, into that decade at the University of Virginia, I'm starting to think it's slimmer and slimmer and slimmer. I mean, and Judah made the point, maybe what it is is, hey, we're not a fraternity. We're just a group of 40 guys that live in one house. And the new guys that want to live in our house and rent a room from our house have to sign this waiver that says you're going to go through this SHIT and you're not going to hold us accountable if anything happens to you.

Imagine if you had to go through that kind of stuff. A same waiver is signed with the military. Imagine if you had to go through that kind of stuff to get into any apartment. Same waiver is signed when you join the military. Military, boot camp.

Boot camp hazing. Viewers and listeners, what's boot camp? Without the goldfish. What's boot camp? Don't sleep. How many people have gotten seriously injured at boot camp? Same thing. Same category. All right, next topic.

Let's see. Survival playbook message. All right, this was a message. I'm not going to let you know the business. He sent me an email a couple days ago, yesterday actually, yesterday afternoon. I won't let you know the business name. We've been in business 60 years, third generation family. Third generation's actively running it. I love your show.

I listen to it all the time. Says, I'm not exactly sure why I'm emailing you other than to offer perspective about the Charlottesville community and the state of small business. He says, your venue and your platform offer a much needed

venue for our community. He he says the state of small business is not rosy elevated rent tight margins accelerated operating costs insurance out of control says he's not whining he's just passed along passing along the facts and wants to set up a meeting. We're going to meet the week of the 3rd of October here at the HQ, at our office. I want to close this topic with this. I'm going to paint a picture for you of the labor market being extremely expensive, the cost of goods market being extremely expensive, the cost of goods market being extremely expensive, commercial rents increasing 3-5% every year,

the consumer complaining about high prices, and not having the disposable income to really spend as much as they used to. And the picture I just painted is that the small business faces. Think about that. Not to mention on the other side of the picture, you've got Amazon, Walmart, big companies who...

Have the economy scale and the advantages of vertical integration. And actively work to destroy small businesses in some cases. There it is. Any other topics we've got left? We've got the importance of the game at Coastal Carolina. All right, I'll spend 30 seconds on this. Council President on the show. 45 seconds on this.

Virginia's got Coastal Carolina on Saturday. It's a 2 p.m. kickoff. Virginia's a three-point favorite. This is the last game on the schedule that ESPN has said that Virginia will be favored in. The last one on the schedule that Virginia is favored in as of right now. Virginia is 2-1. Coastal Carolina is 3-0. Coastal Carolina is selling this game out.

This is a must-win game for Virginia. And this game is a must-win game for the embattled head coach, Tony Elliott. His first two years on the job, he's only won three games each year. This is his third year. If he posts another two or three-win season, I don't think there's going to be a fourth. And I'll close with Thomas Neal, the Jefferson Council President, will join us. What day is it? 10-3, October 3rd. October 3rd, the Jefferson Council President will join us on the show. Check out their new website, the Jefferson Council's Click the News tab.

And if you want a fascinating read, check out the blog post titled, UVA's Board Stacking the Deck for Another Year. I find it fascinating. That's the Friday edition. There's a lot going on this weekend. What's that? There's a lot going on this weekend. What, you want to spend 30 seconds highlighting that?

Sure. Okay. We got the Seville Sobroso. That's at the Ting Pavilion. We've got 25th Anniversary Okober fest celebration at star hill downtown we've got the virginia clay festival sorry uh we've got princesses in the park at shops at stonefield cars and coffee at barracks road those are all coming tomorrow and uh there's a Seville Brewery puzzle crawl. It sounds interesting.

On Sunday, 5 p.m. at Star Hill downtown. Friday edition of the talk show. Judah Wickauer, Jerry Miller, yours truly. Presented by Main Collie Restaurant, Pro Renata, and our team at Charlottesville Business Bro Charlottesville business brokers calm we're helping folks buy businesses and sell businesses and it's extremely busy over here in that category thank you kindly for joining us so long everybody Thank you.