The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Tent Town Torn Down - Tons Of Trouble or Tame & Tranquil; Prop Bet: Tent Town Be Back By 12/31/26?

Episode Date: September 1, 2026

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Welcome, guys, to the I Love Seville Show. This, the Tuesday edition of the Watercooler of Content and Conversation. If you are watching on YouTube, Twitter, and LinkedIn, your connections should be absolutely good. Rumble, fountain, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music should be good. Facebook, we believe the connection is chopping. You're live on the group? Okay. We are trying to get 27 social media and podcasting platforms up as we speak.

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So far, it's more tranquility and tame than trouble at Tentown. And I want to highlight that, highlight that on the program today. I want to talk a number that's an estimate from Jen Fleischer and the Arizona Consulting Group. 10 to 20 people expected to use Tentown. 10 to 20 people. You can go ahead and just talk, Jad Upps. Not the Temptown. Or excuse me, the 2000 Holiday Drive.

You're right. I found that number somewhat astonishing, that 10 to 20 people are expected to use 2,000 holiday drive, despite the $6.2 million purchase an additional $3.2 million to create a short-term scenario as the long-term scenario is built. I want to prop bet on the program today. If I put the over under on New Year's Eve, December 31, 2026,

is your expectations, viewers and listeners, that the Freebridge encampment will be a thing of the past or a thing very much at the present? December 31, 26 is the over under. Will Tentown be back in action by Christmas Eve? Very curious of your thoughts on that, viewers and listeners. I want to talk in another unfortunate scenario for Camellias. So Camelias, unfortunately, is dealing with a houseless...

I mean, today it was a homeless man that went into Camellias and basically pleasureed himself. Are you doing something on that computer because the video is very choppy? I'm trying to reconnect your... Yeah, but if you don't want to mess with that computer though. Okay. Because that makes things choppy, as you know, right? All right.

I'll play the video that Instagram, the Instagram account tied to Camellias, the old Millie Joe's coffee roastery posted today where police, half a dozen Charlottesville police officers went into the coffee roastery today and basically had to arrest somebody for exposing himself at the coffee shop. Yes, Bill McChesley, we know we can't see it on my Facebook page. That's what we led with on the program today. So we'll play with that video to start the show. are at the lead of the show.

We're also gonna talk about student housing. Student housing is becoming prolific, and it's clearly having an impact on multifamily housing, apartments for rent, condos for rent, houses for rent. I'm curious viewers and listeners if local government realizes the effect of this student housing glut and what it's doing to you know, big landlords, small landlords, medium landlords locally.

Co-star had an interesting report that will highlight on today's program. On the I Love Seville Network, last night, I published some odds for Virginia football and for the rest of the season. Tony Elliott's team is favored to win nine of its next 11 games, with only SMU and Florida State favored, and, you know, the remaining. of the schedule. Nine of 11 UVA is favored to win. We'll talk about that on the show as Vegas clearly sees Tony Elliott's team as one to watch. I want to highlight on the program today, Snow's Outdoor Living. Snow's Outdoor Living, ladies and gentlemen, is helping our family build an

outside patio, fire pit, some handpick plantings, some new sod and some new grass outside our home. It's an outside patio and fire pit and seating wall that we plan to use quite a bit with our boys, with our extended family. The experience with Snow's Outdoor Living has been absolutely a plus. Corbyn Snow and the team at Snow's Outdoor Living, Trevor Chandler, are pros pros. It's been communicative. It's been straightforward. It's been easy-peasy. And if you're looking to do some kind of patio or outside configuration at your house,

hardscape, landscape, snows is the best in this business. Ladies and gentlemen, I've been thoroughly, thoroughly impressed with the project so far. Judah Wickhauer, two-shot. Judah Wickhauer, which headline, ask you the same question every day to start the show?

Most intrigued you today and why? Well, I was surprised to learn that... And you got a volume on over there? Yeah. Okay, fantastic. I was surprised to learn that that the cost of rentals has actually gone down in Charlottesville compared to the broader United States.

That was a surprising metric that I wouldn't have guessed at. The co-star report, we'll get to that a matter of moments here on the show. Clearly the, and we have a boatload more student housing that's coming on the market. That's clearly having an impact on what's going on locally. If you're able to get, a lot of people, are saying, due to my Facebook page and the I Love Seville Facebook page up and running, please give me a thumbs up so I can alert people, because I'm seeing that comment all over the feed right now.

I'm trying I Love Seville right now. Yours, I'm not going to get up because I would need to reauthorize it. Okay. No problem. No problem. Why don't we start with Tentown? So far it's peace, folks. And I think we're both happy for that.

We were wondering what the community's reaction. the Charlottesville Police Department, along with a number of nonprofits on site at Freebridge and at Zero East High Street, there's a bus to transport people to 2,000 Holiday Drive. And as of 1245 on a Tuesday, I Love Seville's now up and running, excellent. As at 1245 on a Tuesday, it's been tame and tranquil. And we were concerned if it was going to be trouble at Tentown. and the number that stood out to me, I think it shocked you as well, Judah.

The initial anticipation for residents that are going to use 2000 Holiday Drive is 10 to 20 people. So while we have not had tons of trouble with tent down being torn down, while we've had more tame and tranquility at Tentown, we still only have 10 to 20 that will use 2000 Holiday Drive.

Does that surprise you? It surprises us. me only in that it wasn't expected. I don't think it really surprises me because we had plenty of indication that the people that were there did not want to leave. They feel like it's theirs. And several also made it known that they did not want to go to any shelter and felt like they were being hurted or jailed or something. So it's sad, frankly, that, you know, we're putting a lot of money into something that is only going to help a very, very few of the population we know is in Charlottesville. But, I mean, if you're going to, if you're going to pick a silver

lining, it's that now this will be there. So we will have a, low barrier shelter for the homeless population. Yeah, I think that's well said. I was surprised when the Arizona consultancy said on the record that only 10 to 20 homeless people would be using 2,000 holiday drive to start. Yeah. 6.2 million spent $3,200,000 for the short-term version, probably another $14 or $15 million for the long-term version.

and only 10 to 20 people are expected to use the facility out of the gates. If that number stays in the 10, 20, or 30, you know, variety or category, 10, 20, 30 homeless folks end up using 2,000 Holiday Drive. Do we call it a failure? Do we further the use of boondoggle? Is there, from your standpoint, a threshold of human headcount that needs to use 2,000 Holiday Drive before? for it's deemed as success?

I don't know if I don't know if I have a set head count number to deem it as success. But I think just from from nuts and bolts to where we are today and, and, you know, all the numbers that have been tossed around from, you know, 200 beds to 140 beds to 80 beds and it just feels like it feels like they were they were building for every single homeless person in Charlottesville when I I feel like it's been pretty clear for a while now that they weren't all going to use it lower thirds on screen so people understand what uh what we're talking about I agree. I think you, well, it's well said. I mean, and I'm going to say this. If we find that this, here's a, here's another question for you. If we find the interim low barrier shelter, because what they're doing in a 2000 holiday drive is the stop gap, right? It's not the Taj Mahal of homeless shelters where they're going to ask us for another $15 million. Okay. If we find the low barrier, the interim, the stop gap shelter, It's not used. Not the finished product.

Do we halt the finished product construction? That's a tough one. I don't think everything is going to be there in the interim one. Maybe they'll have all the room they need for the wraparound services that they want to... But who needs wraparound services for 30 people? The 30 people? Who would need wraparound services if the facility is not utilized? Well, yeah.

Of course, if it's not being utilized, then of course it doesn't need those services. It also doesn't need the three non-profits who are crawling over each other to be a part of this, and it certainly doesn't need CASS. But if we're serious about this being a low barrier shelter, then I mean, I kind of feel like it needs support, whether or not it's being used you know, if it's empty for a month, that doesn't mean that the other 11 months, there aren't going to be people there that need help with, you know, whether it's looking for a job, whether it's help filling out a resume or getting, you know,

getting counseling or drug. Rehabilitation. Yeah. Question for you, the viewers and listeners. If the facility is not used, but say for two or three dozen people, do you then demand that taxpayer resources not further be allocated to the Taj Mahal

of homelessness on Holiday Drive? And secondly, do you push back on nonprofits who are clearly sucking at the teat of taxpayers with their 501c3 models that say, oh, homelessness is such an epic problem? Have we even contemplated a scenario of the facility not being used? That's the question I have for you. What if the short-term facility is not used to an amount that warrants the next step

or the stage two construction of the full facility? That's a question for your cocktail and charcutory party here in the water cooler, our content and conversation, because that very well could be the scenario. Jen Fleischer and the head of the Arizona nonprofit that's going to be running the short-term center, short-term shelter, have both indicated they expect 10 to 20 people to use it initially. That's it. That's it. So let's see how that plays out. Now, we had, speaking of homelessness, an unfortunate story that happened today at a business that unfortunately is experiencing a lot of challenges of late. And this is Camelia's coffee and bar in the old Millie Joe's local. This is one of the brands and businesses that is a part of Kit Ashy's prolific food and beverage empire. Kit is most known for Monson.

Kit's a friend, and she is a client of our firm. We help Kit purchase the Krobees business. Our brokerage helped her buy and lease Krobees down Avon extended. Our brokerage helper buy and lease the Kuma restaurant on Ellywood Avenue. She owns a number of brands and businesses locally, maple pine, coconuts, tangerine, monsoon, chameleas, just to name a few. This is Charlottesville's most prolific restaurateur. And if you remember, last week on the show, we showed video of a homeless man picking up a chair from outside the roastery, and for no reason, no clear-cut motivation decided to shatter the window at Camellia's coffee and bar.

They captured it on camera. They published it on social media. We aired it on the I Love Seville show. Well, ladies and gentlemen, earlier this morning, a homeless man, we're not sure if it's the, is it the same one or not? Is it hard to tell? I don't think it's the same one, do you? The glimpses I got made this guy seem a little more heavyset. Yeah, that's how I interpreted it as well.

The one from today a little bit heavyset. A homeless man entered camellias today. And I'll choose my words carefully, chose to pleasure himself inside the restaurant. Camellia's and their Instagram video and stories used a different word that starts with, that is, you know, Steve Martin started a movie called The Jerk, right? Wasn't Steve Martin in a movie called The Jerk? All right, I'll let you fill in the details.

Half a dozen. I don't want to fill in the details. Do you want to film the details? Should I look up the details of the jerk? No, it's what the homeless man did inside Camellia. I don't particularly want to fill in those details, but apparently he was... We use the term pleasuring himself. Helping himself out.

Yeah, pleasuring himself, okay, inside the restaurant. Terrifyingly, this guy has already done this in the last few days at Bodo's Bagels as well. Here's the video from the Camellia's Instagram account. a homeless man arrested half a dozen Charlottesville's finest police officers at the restaurant trying to manage this scenario. You have back-to-back videos you play. How are they going to air here? One then two, I guess. Okay, yeah, play them back-to-back. Let's rock and roll. Hold on. Here we go back to it. I'm going to go out.

The police are going to go out. Here's a lot. There's a lot. There's a lot. There's four, five, six, seven, eight people. I'm, I'm... That was the first one.

Okay, that's the first one. Is that the police department going into Camelius? Uh, that was just... Inside the restaurant or the police department walking in the view from the car? That was the view from the car. Okay, here's the second video that they posted

in the Camelius page. Play that if you could, for us, please. That was it. That was a very short one. Yeah, play it again for him, and we can talk over it. Can you imagine a small business deal with this? Minority woman owned business dealing with this? One of the most prolific tax revenue generators for the city of Charlottesville dealing with this?

Can you imagine anyone dealing with this? this. In a week's time, their storefront window has been shattered. And a man's gone in their restaurant to pleasure himself in front of other patrons. Both of them homeless, and

both of them either drunk or absolutely psychotic. Yeah. Where do you begin with that? Some of these people need help. And letting them continue doing whatever they're doing

and not forcing that help is not compassion. There it is. This is going to, we are going to be in a world where we may see 10 to 30 people, Jen Fleischer's words,

Gen Fleischer's words, 10 to 30 people using 2000 Holiday Drive. 10 to 30. A building that costs 6.2 million to purchase, an effort that required

$3.2 million of additional dollars for a short-term shelter, and a planned long-term shelter that's going to cost $15 million. I want you to think about that. For 10 to 30 people initially that are going to use this. We are in cuckoo for cocoa puffs, folks. And as a result of all these dynamics, downtown mall is littered and loitered and small businesses

whether they're next to the barn Aberdeen Barn and the hotels Camellias across the Amar County office building the businesses on East High Street are dealing with this nonsense it's theft on East High Street it's self-pleasureing at Camelius it's tremendous concern

around the Aberdeen Barn and the hotel where they will set up outside bathrooms and showers in eyesight of businesses. Make it make sense. Conan Owen is watching the program. Before we get to Conan's comments, I want to highlight Sir Speedy Central Virginia. They're a partner of the show.

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Conan's a Darden graduate, a Latin and minority-owned business. Conan Owen and Surspeedia, Central Virginia. He says, everyone living under Freebridge, otherwise it just shows how we didn't do a triage to find out those people and what they really needed. He's basically saying it was a rush to judgment. we might be in the cusp of seeing an absolute rush to judgment here. All right.

Next headline, Judah Wickauer, at the 1 o'clock marker on the talk show. What do we got? We've got student housing boom in Charlottesville. Look, if you're in the residential rental game, and if it's single-family detached, townhome, condo, or apartment, you're clearly seeing a softening of rental prices. And this was to be expected. We had a boom in COVID and coming out of the pandemic

on rentals and what landlords could command. Now we're in this scenario where prices are either flat and in some cases have fallen. And when you build student housing to the level we have, whether that's the Verve by Scott Stadium on Jefferson Park Avenue, whether that's what the bloom next to Moza original barbecue, whether that's Spring Valley across from St. Anne's Bellefield and Route 250 next to 250,

whether that's what Darden is doing on grounds at the NBA, around the MBA program, the MBA school, whether that's any of the multifamily that's newly coming on market. you're going to see a softening of price points. And now we have new data release from COSTAR. Offer those metrics due to Wickhauer. The wave of student beds is greatly exceeding 10-year change in enrollment. The graph they're showing shows for most of the last 10 years.

A slight rise and fall in both the change in enrollment and student beds, completed and the forecast for 2027 has the student beds completed like way way way up here where everything else is still floating around the same numbers so it's it looks like we're going to have a glut fairly soon in student student housing which when there were not enough beds obviously a lot of those students were taking, you know, rentals in Charlottesville and Admiral County. With the glut, we may see a drastic drop in the number of rentals that are getting... I'm going to give you four projects, ladies and gentlemen, that will bring 1,437 luxury units to market between now and the middle part of 2027.

The project across from St. Anne's Belfield Academy and the 250 bypass is developed by international out-of-market developer Gray Star Real State Partners. The old Ivy residences, their nickname Spring Valley, they got a couple of monikers for this project. 525 total units. being built there. 525.

The first units are on market now. They're of the luxury variety. Next to the John Paul Jones, next to the Scott Stadium is a second project. It's called the Verve. 100 Stadium Road. 463

beds. 463 units. 1,332 beds. Delivery is spring summer of 2027. That's a luxury product. 1,332 beds next to Scott Stadium. How about the Bloom?

The Bloom is developed by up-campus student living, a national out-of-market developer. This is next to Mo's original barbecue. Bloom has 231 units and 641 beds. How about the one that's at the UVA Darden School of Business? the developers, the University of Virginia, 218 units and 348 beds, summer 2027 delivery. I'm going to ask you some questions. With 1,437 units coming on market within nine months of each other from only four projects,

the four I just outlined, is Charlottesville and Almorea County at a multifamily saturation point or beyond? Number two, the new UVA Biotechnology Institute and the Data Science School, along with AstraZeneca and other life science, business momentum initiatives, are expected to increase the population by 5,000 to 8,000 people. Will this influx of high earners gravitate to luxury developments before they find their forever homes? And finally, if these four multi-unit family projects that I just mentioned, do they stabilize price points or do they flatten, do they soften price points? Do they create downward trajectory with price points? That's curious questions. And right now we're seeing co-star data that nationally Charlottesville rental prices are falling at a clip that is greater than national metrics. national standards. Those metrics are actually from, you can find them in 29 news. A new rent report

shows rents in Charlottesville fell 0.4% in August compared to a 0.1% increase nationwide. Year over year rent growth in Charlottesville now stands at negative 5.3% down from positive 2.2% a year ago. Who knows? I think we're going to see some fluctuations before any of this levels out and gives us a fair idea of how it's going to continue. The next question you should ask is how is the multifamily glut that's coming online going to impact the for sale market. It's no secret, ladies and gentlemen. And then we'll get to some comments.

Interest rates are upticking. Trump's war in Iran, gasoline-fueled inflation is creating a, is creating a, is creating a more expensive interest rate environment. We're literally now talking about a couple of rate hikes potentially in 2026 because of this war. If we have thousands of four rent units newly constructed and the luxury variety coming to market in the next 11 months, I mean, they're coming to market now, they certainly want to beat the leasing cycle of 2027 when students jump into new leases. What is that going to do to the for sale market that's already experiencing headwinds with values and with interest rates?

These are storylines we should all be following. Let's get to number one in the family deep throat, his photo on screen. to add to the co-star story, Virginia Realtors' Multifamily Report showed the highest multifamily vacancy in the state is in the Charlottesville area. The high earners coming here are ultimately looking for single-family housing. Single-family housing will be strong. Multi-family rents will go flat or down for a while. If the student landlords start really hurting, wait for UVA to bail them out with

increased enrollment. By the way, all of us who opposed the zoning said we did not have an elasticity problem. It was just a question of waiting for the lags to play out. Rents spike through COVID. Developers notice and started projects, and now we are seeing the supply. This is how a functional elastic market works. I guess they don't teach that at speech therapy school, a zing at Matthew Gilliken right there. I got a boatload of realtors watching the program right now. A boatload of realtors. I'm extremely curious to see with the realtors that are watching the show what thousands of luxury for rent options that coming on market now until the start of next year, what that does to buyer demand in Charlottesville, Almar, and around central Virginia.

Are people going to say, I want the flexibility of short-term one-year leases and luxury developments in a for-rent environment over buying a house at peak interest rate environment in an economy where it's extremely difficult to get a service provider to do any kind of upfit or remodeling work on said single-family detached home? Will we see this softened demand? Time's going to tell. I will say this. The luxury units that are coming out on market, yoga studios, saunas, cold plunges, coffee bars, some of the best exercise studios you can find, putting greens, pickleball courts,

Olympic-sized swimming pools, hiking and walking trails, bike storage, covered and safe parking, some fully furnished, some with ridiculous views, just about all of them with the convenience of live, work, play. I would expect that this is going to further soften the buy-sell market, because potential buyers are like, maybe I wait for rates to go down, values to go down, and service providers to become more plentiful or available. Time will tell. And if rent prices are going down, it makes sense to rent for a year.

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They have an e-commerce store that offers same-day free delivery that beats big box brand prices, ladies and gentlemen. Comment, put them in the feed, we'll relay them on live on air. Bob Shata's watching the program. He's the vice mayor of Vivachi and the mayor of Birdwood. Suzanne Daly is watching the program. She wonders won't a big facility. also attract more homeless to Charlottesville from elsewhere?

I mean, one of the best things that could happen for Charlottesville-Namar County is for this interim shelter to flop. If the interim shelter flops, the Taj Mahal is not built. If the Taj Mahal is not built, you don't have red cartman treatment for more folks to move here. If you have limited engagement with the interim shelter, I think there would be market pressure, constituent pressure on council and city hall not to move forward with an additional 15 million dollars how could they justify an additional 15 million dollars for 2000 holiday drive if the engagement the enrollment numbers the headcount numbers are 10 to 30 people a night you can't

justify that money this is a storyline we didn't really play out as a family here on the water cooler of content and conversation what if the interim shelter we did highlight on the show that we expected the homeless to, you know, revolt against the interim shelter. But I should have taken it a step further and said, if 10 to 15, 20 people a night are only there, then the constituent push has got to be no more $15 million for this place. That's what I should have done, but I did it. Once I started reading Jen Fleischer's comments that 10 people might be here,

or the Arizona company that 10 people, 15 people might be here, then I'm like, good God, this could be a major flop. James Watson watching the program. He says the rents are falling, but I don't think they're going to fall enough that your average fireman and teacher will suddenly be able to rent something affordable near the city. He also says,

I think a lot of the newer homes are going up Route 29 North and into greed in Madison. Since that's where a lot of these pharmaceutical work is supposed to take place. He says, service providers, will not become more readily available because in America, we told too many people to go to college and we haven't trained people to actually do solid trades. Smartest thing is to be a tradesperson right there. He's 100% right. And speaking of the new construction, James Watson, you have

hundreds of units. Stanley Martin is constructing. We'll give them some attention, Stanley Martin Holmes and Green County, 80 or so units at Breezy Hill outside Glemore and Keswick, and roughly 50 units in the Fry Springs neighborhood. There are thousands of units coming to Green County with builders across the board. Stanley Martin is leading that charge, and they do it in honest capacity, innovative capacity, and technology-backed capacities,

Stanley Martin Holmes. All right, 115 marker. Is the last headline, the UVA headline? I believe so. Put that on screen if you could, please, sir. I found this fascinating. I talked about this on the Jerry and Jerry show with Jerry Rackleff. The University of Virginia football team and head coach Tony Elliott is favored to win,

according to the odds makers in Vegas, nine of its next 11 games. The only games that UVA is on paper now predicted to lose, or should I say, an underdog, is road games at Florida State and road game. at SMU. The FSU line at this point is only Seminoles by one and a half points. The Seminoles get three points for playing at home. So if the line has them as a 1.5 favorite, this is basically a pickum or a toss-up. Same with the SMU line. SMU, the ponies, are only favored by four and a half points. Three points for playing at home in Dallas. This is a toss-up. Vegas, at this point, at this point, of the season basically sees UVA as a team that is favored and capable to win the rest of its

games. 11 left. That is wild right there. And that's clearly an impact of investing tens of millions of dollars into your program. Last year, the salary cap, about $30 million for Virginia football. This year, I don't have an exact number yet. I know Jerry Ratcliffe is working on that. but the number is more than $30 million.

And you saw it on Saturday against NC State, where it looked like a college football team was playing a high school football team. They beat the brakes off of the wool pack. All right, that's the Tuesday edition of the I Love Seville Show. He's Judah Wickhauer. My name is Jerry Miller. Thank you for joining us.