The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - The Kyle Miller Show: Alan Barb Of Whole Strength Physical Therapy Joined Kyle Miller

Episode Date: May 30, 2024

Alan Barb, Owner of Whole Strength Physical Therapy, joined Kyle Miller live on The Kyle Miller Show! The Kyle Miller Show airs live Thursday from 2:15 pm – 3 pm on The I Love CVille Network. Watch and listen to The Kyle Miller Show on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, iTunes, Apple Podcast, YouTube, Spotify, Fountain, Amazon Music, Audible and iLoveCVille.com.

Hey, welcome to the show, guys. I'm excited that you guys are here today. We have a special guest with us. If you are looking for improving your mobility, improving your just general life, and you've had some injuries that are now kind of causing some issues as far as flexibility and movement around and all that stuff, well, we have a great guest for you today. Alan Barb, right, is with us today from Whole Strength Physical Therapy. He's got a unique way of how they do business and he's going to let us send some insights. If you've gone the whole physical therapy route before and you kind of weren't getting the results that you were wanting to get. Alan's got some great insight on that and can help you with that. And it's, I'm excited for the show today. So Alan, with that being said, welcome to the show, man.

Yeah, thank you. Thanks for having me. Yeah, absolutely. What made you get into this field, right? Yeah, I mean, kind of, you know, grew up playing sports, was always kind of an athlete and enjoyed that. So as I got a little older in high school, I was, you know, not the biggest guy, but wanted to play linebacker. So spent a lot of time in the gym, kind of bulking up and getting bigger.

So really, really kind of got into fitness and and doing things there and um really like kind of saw how that could change my body and change you know like uh all my friends from like little scrawny freshmen and uh you know big seniors and like you know um so um so really kind of got into fitness there and kind of wanted to to pursue that and get into health care and like so it seemed like so really kind of got into fitness there and kind of wanted to, to pursue that and get into healthcare. And like, so it seemed like a really good fit for me moving forward. So don't have the tour my ACL and did physical therapy, all of high school story, like a lot of PTs, but, um, but, but a little different story and kind of got into it and, and have kind of, you know, really enjoyed it and love diving into everything about

the body really. Yeah. So the body, um, you know, interesting fact, like I started out in kind of that field, kinesiology, exercise science, health science. That was my double major. Um, and I learned a lot about the body and learned a lot about what it can do, how it operates. I lifted a lot when I got to my senior year in high school, I started lifting and then all the way through college. And that was a lot of fun. So I got to see a lot of transformation and learn movements and learned, you know, how to increase strength, posture, all that stuff. Right. And, um, inevitably when playing football in college, you get hurt. Right. So I was always at the physical therapy, right? Well, physical therapy within the trainer's office, because you got, you got to rehab these little things. And the reasons

why we get injured are because there are other things in our body that aren't strong. And parts of our body have to compensate for things. So, yeah, I was always in there, man. Ice tubs, do this, do that. I always had bad ankles. And then imagine, after I started training my ankles, I would sprain my ankle all the time. But after I started training my ankles with just you know, um, just different drills and exercises like, Oh wow. My ankles, I stopped rolling them. Yeah. Right. And which was,

which was crazy. Yeah. Um, and so I think a lot of people look at, you know, the strength training and go, I just don't want to get muscled up. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do that. I don't want to look like those and women, I just don't want to get muscled up. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do that. I don't want to look like those and women, especially they don't want to look like those women bodybuilder and look manly. And I think, I think a lot of like health wealth and just everything about feeling good about the body has to do with muscle structure. I think a lot of the problems that we're having are due to muscle structure. We sit down all the time. We're not active. We don't move. Like, what's your thoughts on that? Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, um, um, I mean, we're, we're whole strength, you know, we got strength in the name.

So that's, that's kind of a big, uh, you know, part of what we do and what we really like think is important for health. Um, so, I mean, we, we kind of, uh, you know, kind of take an approach of fitness is healthcare and like, that's really what we, um, really kind of preach to our, our patients. So a lot of them, you know, uh, maybe were fit or like had, um, you know, athletic aspirations when they're younger and maybe not there at this point, or maybe they are still kind of trying to do things and just running into issues. And a lot of times it is like little kind of picking out where they might,

might have some imbalances or some strength loss. And I mean, our goal is, you know, really keep people in the game so that, you know, they can live the life that they want to and really have, have that,

that long-term foundation of health, which we think a lot of that does come down to muscle and fitness and really, like, staying active through a lifetime. When, what do you see, the people that have the most problems, right, after an injury, pick an injury, I don't care. The people who have the most problems, the longest recovery times, do they have like commonalities with that? Yeah. I mean, pain is very multifactorial. So like it's, you know, like you might have what you would say a common ankle sprain for one person that, you know, they walk it off and they're fine in a week that takes six months for someone else. So, I mean, there's definitely common things that we see that can kind of lead to that. I mean, there's definitely, you know, we see that with people with other conditions. So even mental health issues can kind of play a role in

that. So it's, that's where I think there's a lot of different factors and like, that's a lot of times something that we'll see. I do think, you know, people that tend to do best are people that are like kind of working through injuries and trying to kind of find ways to work around it. I think, you know, people that push it too much always say is like, you know, there's challenges with that as well, but I would rather have somebody that's pushing it too much than someone that really doesn't want to push it at all. And what do you mean by pushing it too much and then not pushing it? Is there like a threshold of like how much pain you're supposed to like feel? Yeah. Is it like no pain, no gain type stuff or what?

Yeah. So that's the no pain, no gain is not, you know, not something that we preach. But I mean, there is like a fine balance between like, you know, not pushing that point of any discomfort versus like, you know, pushing too much and just kind of keeping things flared up. So a lot of times we'll talk to people about like and this is kind of a generalization but something that we use for a lot of different conditions is like you know if we're seeing uh with an activity you're doing it

no pain likely you know fine you can kind of continue doing whatever you're doing um if we're seeing some mild to moderate pain, what happens during that activity? Does it get worse and worse? Does it build up? Does it stay the same or get better? That's likely okay as well versus something that's, you know, pretty severe pain or something that's increasing as you do it. And then we also like to see just kind of like what happens the next day. Do you recover within a day?

Like if it gets back down to baseline, that's something that we think is most of the time going to be something that's okay to continue to do. So and that's how we really guide people to continue to stay moving through injuries and through pain. Because a lot of times part of the rehab is doing those activities again. And most of the time it's really hard to get back to doing activities without kind of facing a little bit of that discomfort. So, um, and kind of, you know, pushing that envelope, but doing it in a way that you can recover from it. Um, so yeah, my dad had his, his rotator cuff surgery and he was just like, man, it just, it still hurts. It still hurts. And this was only a couple of months afterward. I was like, it's gonna hurt. It's gonna hurt for a while. Like that, I had my rotator cuff surgery and I remember it was excruciating pain. Um,

but I was able to push it. And when I say pain, it was like, it would pain for a second and then go away. Then if I get it back to that point again, it would, like, not be as bad. So I knew I was, like, okay, I'm not, you know, causing harm per se, but I'm pushing it and dealing with it. And to the point where I'll almost, like, not necessarily crying, but, like, hold that. There's tears in the eyes because it hurts so bad just to, know get it in this movement or get it in that movement or really like feel like a stinger right during football where it's like just drop your arm and you couldn't do anything um yeah and that's i mean i think a lot of times that's you know that can like people have that perception of physical therapy is it's gonna be painful right i mean we you know we do things and really really communicate with our patients so that as we're doing things, we want to keep it as comfortable as possible.

And we use techniques and other things to make the exercises or the treatment as comfortable as possible. So, I mean, again, sometimes you've got to push on that a little bit. And I like to tell people sometimes just like, you know, we want to knock on that door. We're not like pushing it through that. But we just want to kind of knock on that and get to that point. And a lot of times we see if we're doing it right. It does feel a little bit better afterwards and kind of getting to that point again. Well, it just gave me affirmations like, okay, it's going to get better.

You know, because those first couple weeks were rough. It was really painful. And as soon as those pain pills wore off, man, whoo, that first couple of nights. That's, that's one of the worst. But we were talking about on the show, right? You're not an in-network provider, right? You're not an in-network physical therapist office. Why? Yeah, I mean, the main reason is, I mean, I worked in network practices. I mean, there's great physical therapists there, and people do get great outcomes at practices like that. I personally just had seen where there are

limitations to that. And I saw where there were people that I could help. And because of the limitations that insurance placed on what we could do, we weren't really able to help them. So you're kind of handcuffed with different things that could provide, you know, benefit to the client, right? But you weren't able to do that because of the insurance providers and the contracts that you guys have signed with them. Correct. Yeah. So, yeah. So we're kind of, you know, a little bit handcuffed by what we can do. You know, say like someone comes in with a running injury and something that, you know, they really love to do. So a lot of times, you know, insurance doesn't really care if you can run. So they might give you like two sessions to get that person better where, you know, you know, you can get them better if you

had the time and the ability to work with them at the proper capacity, but they don't allow you to do that. So insurance is just basically getting you guys, when I say you guys, the listeners and anybody who's taken physical therapy back to, I just want you to be able to walk, go to work and complete that task. They're not trying to give you a better life. They're not trying to like, Hey, we know if you did X, Y, and Z, then we could get you back to where you are. They're just trying to get you to have no pain, walk out the door and that. And I think a lot of people don't know that. Right. Right. A lot of people don't know, Oh, there's other things that I could do to get better. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's, you know,

I mean, a lot of people, you know, go through that route and they think, okay, well, this is kind of what I have to live with. I tried physical therapy. It got me this far, but that's kind of where it's at where I think getting out of pain, getting back to baseline is kind of step one for us where we see much more progress that can be made after that and working, um, working at the right capacity, which is, you know, it looks a little more like strength training. It looks a little bit more like, like conditioning things that you might be doing in the gym. Um, and I think that also just allows people, you know, to kind of get to a higher level and kind of move past that baseline, which, you know,

is not really possible in a, um, when, when insurance is involved. So, yeah, no. So if they're doing that just on, it, you know, makes me go into the whole medical industry and what are they really actually trying to do? You know, the more I'm into it, the more I like kind of believe more in the holistic side of things, the more, you know, the diets, the food that we're eating. I mean, does that, I'm sure that plays a part in recovery. Uh, you know? Yeah, absolutely. And that's, I mean, you're trying to talk, we touched a little bit earlier about like commonalities and recovery and like what we see for people that might take longer. I mean, that's, that's certainly something

we, we talk about is nutrition and sleep and all these other factors that play into that. Because, I mean, yeah, we can get you stronger. We can do all these things. But if you're sleeping four hours a night and your diet is not great, we're missing a lot of what's going to get you better. Because the gym, I mean, what's the statistic? 20% of it is 20% is it is, 20% is the gym. 80% is the diet and how you treat your body. I mean, we got to look at this, guys, as a, you know, as a machine.

You don't run your car without fuel or oil or tune-ups, right? Right. That's just like general maintenance. That's what you got to do. I mean, your body is a better machine than a vehicle is. So, like, the correct food that we're putting it in there, um, you know, the correct exercises, keeping it active. You don't let a car sit out there, uh, for, for years and then try to get it going again and expect it to

run. Great. You're going to have some issues. Same thing with the body, right? You're not going to be sedentary for, uh, you know, a couple of years and then go, Oh, I need to get back in shape, go out and run, you know, think running is going to get you back in shape. And now you've got shin pain or your knees hurt. Well, there's a reason why. And I mean, that's because our muscles aren't strong enough. You know, we've been sitting there for the whole time, but now we got to strengthen our stuff back up. Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, that's absolutely right. And I think a lot I think, you know, you're absolutely right. And I think a lot of times, you know, people maybe have fallen out of exercise or, like, maybe they've been, you know, been kind of into the gym earlier in their life.

And, you know, life gets busy. It's hard. But, you know, you get back to it and something hurts. And, you know, you go to the doctor and they're like, you know, it's wear and tear. You've got to stop doing that and it's like we're we kind of have a little different approach where it's like no let's let's take a step back let's prepare your body for it and let's get back to doing these things and do more because that's what's going to help you to leave a live a more fulfilled life i i think you know there's a pill for everything uh out there they they really

make one for everything um and we got to stop. I think we got to stop taking the easy pill. Yeah. Like it's work. Life's work. Everything's work. Right. Yeah. Anything that I have a buddy, he's got three kids. He's he loves to go camping and pack up the camper and they live out in Utah and it's, they go do all these like cool things. And he goes, what, you know what? Fun's hard work, you know? And it is, but so is everything else. Like you got to plan, you got to pack, you got to do all these things, but you'll do that, but you won't do, you know, you won't go out and heck, you don't even have to run. Go walk for 30 minutes. When you're on the phone calls, this is what I do. I go walk when I'm on phone calls. That way I can get steps in. I can stay

active. I'm not sitting at my desk. I'm keeping my body moving. You know, I was bad. You know, I played college football, left there, went to the University of Memphis as a graduate assistant, strength conditioning coach, left there, went to as a personal trainer, right? And I was a personal trainer. I was in great shape. Yeah. Phenomenal shape, right? And then I got into business and, you know, the hours putting in, I'm sitting at a desk, I'm on the phone, I'm doing all this stuff. And I put on the weight. I lost the muscle. I wasn't working out. And cause I didn't prioritize right well I did prioritize it just prior to different things right but then you know I'm turning getting ready turn 40 and it's like man no you know last year I

made a decision I got my blood work done and it was horrible and testosterone was low stress levels were high yeah all that stuff and guess what I'm not doing I'm not eating good and I'm not uh working out yeah so I started changing those things and changing the aspects of what's going on in my body and now I feel way better I still have stress but my body is like taking it easier yeah yeah and that's I mean like, like, you know, you got to kind of choose those things. And it's not easy. It's hard work to do that. But, I mean, it's, you know, it's how you feel doing that.

And, I mean, you got to, you know, kind of use the, like, you got to choose your heart. Like, so is it going to be like, you know, dealing with chronic conditions or like, you know, pushing yourself so that you can live a healthy life. I met a lady yesterday who was 71, frail, frail. She probably weighed 70 pounds. Bent over, barely getting around. Not great, not in great shape. Then I look at my uncle who's 77 and he's skiing down Black Diamonds

and I go skiing with him. And he's skiing everything I'm skiing. Better, right? And we're having a blast and I'm looking at like, all right, the lifestyles that we choose to live, that goes all into, it comes back into what you do.

Like you've got to be strong. You've got to have this. You've got to be able to move. Like that's the lifestyle. I mean you can pick your heart just like you said. You could be 71 sitting in a chair just waiting to die. Or you could be 77 still living life having a blast. Which one am I going to choose?

I'm going to be 77. But I ask him what he does. Well, I eat this way. I do this. I work out. It's decisions that we have in life. But going on to physical therapy, you're that step afterwards of the physical therapy.

Or come to you directly, right? But it's not in network. You're going to be able to get those people up and going. Even if people are having, it doesn't necessarily have to have a surgery. You're just having issues with knees and your back or this and that. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we, we see people for, you know, like lower back pain, shoulder pain, knee pain. I mean, sometimes we see people with, with all of the above, you know, so, but I mean, it's, um, it, we, we kind of take people from that state and, you know, a lot of the people

we see are, are pretty active in doing things, you know, um, whether it's in the gym or running or, um, athletically. Um, but we do see people, you know, that get to the point where they're like really not able to do those things or people from the standpoint of like, you know, they haven't been able to do those things for a while. And I mean, what we like to do is like, and kind of what we say we do is, you know, take people from pain to high performance. So rather than just getting out of pain, we think there's plenty of other steps that we can help them. And we that that skill set to really you know take them beyond what you would typically get with physical therapy because we do have a strength strength and conditioning background and can really help people to kind of know where to go with those next steps

we also have great relationships with trainers so if we're not you know where their their end goal is and a lot of them are coming from gyms so we're kind of getting them you know staying in the gym while they're working through pain and then getting back to that high performance where they want to be um so which which is awesome to see what um i find that just in my life whenever you know i'm having a back issue or i'm having that it's always something else that's tight. It's always this. My wife, it's been a long time. She always has, I've known her to always have headaches. Yeah.

Right? And she used to run. She used to do that kind of stuff. And she never really got heavy into the weights. And she's not a big, you know, she's skinny um but not a lot of muscle tone and uh before and then she started lifting weight i said listen i think you're having these headaches she's having like tension headaches coming up the back i said i think you're having these headaches because you're don't have any muscle tone you're not strong enough to hold your head up and then

what's doing there is straining the muscles yeah and because your head's what 13 pounds yeah yeah you're straining the muscles to not you know hold back your head and your posture and everything so she starts working out she starts doing some you know shoulder presses she starts working those muscles doing the exercises exercises, you know, chin and, you know, all that stuff. She doesn't have any headaches anymore. Yeah. And so just like you would think, she's having headaches forever. And right now, like, she doesn't have those headaches anymore.

Every once in a while she gets a headache, but, like, she used to have them every day. Yeah. Now she doesn't even have them. Yeah, that's awesome. Once a month um and so uh i just know that strength and and getting ligaments stretched out and that stuff just leads to a much better life yeah yeah i mean they've they've done research i mean in our field like they look at you know general exercise versus like very specific physical therapy exercises. Um, for things like neck pain and headaches and low back pain. Um, and I mean really like we see good results with both, but

we see similar results with general exercise versus very specific physical therapy exercise. So that's where I think, you know, like just a lot of times just getting active and getting in the gym can solve a lot of problems. So sometimes it's hard to know when to start when you're in pain. So and that's, you know, that's where we can kind of come in more towards like getting to that point because we know like, yeah, you're, we probably don't need to do these specific physical therapy exercises forever. But if we get you into a routine in the gym, that is something you can do forever. And that's something that you can take from this and really kind of incorporate it into your life longterm. So, yeah. So everybody thinks that just coming to you guys and just working on that thing

and being done when you, when you leave, then that that's it. Like you don't have to do anymore. Right. Like you need to take what you, these are learning exercises too, for people. You come in, you teach them how to, Hey, listen, this is why your body's doing that. Maybe incorporate this into your daily life and you won't have these issues again. Right. Just going, it's like, it's like homework, right? But who did homework in school? I didn't do homework. But I do exercises that I'm like, oh, okay, well, I need to do this.

I need to stretch. I need to make sure I'm limber enough and I can do this. If you don't, you're going to get back into that same situation. Because your daily activities without that lead to the pain. But then once you implement, you don't have any more pain.

Yeah. Well, you have to keep implementing it. Right. It doesn't stop at six weeks, right? Yeah, exactly. And so, no, it's just exciting. I love the body. I love how it works.

I love all of it because you can literally change anything. And everything's anything. Yeah. You know, it's, and it's, everything's connected. Yeah. And I think there's, you know, there's always stuff to learn too. So, I mean, I learn every day, you know, something new and like, um, I think it's, you know, that's, that's one reason I like, I mean, I like training in the gym because I'm always learning something about myself. I'm always learning something new. Um, but you know, there's, there's always different ways you can do things or little tweaks. And I think just to make things work better for you and especially, you know, your body changes a little bit as you get older. So there's some learning there to do too, or you might have to do things a little bit differently or be a little

more focused on your form or technique and how you're doing things to, to make it feel good for you. Um, so, which has been a learning experience for me too, with my body. So yeah, no doubt. And it's, and it's like, it's demoralizing from it's humbling. Should I say it's not demoralizing. It's humbling to like, when I worked out every single day and I was pushing in my early twenties, I was, it's pretty strong. Yeah. And now I'm, now I'm almost 40 and it's like, wow, how much I've lost just because I didn't do it. I wasn't pushing. And it's hard. I go back to that time frame and I was working with the guys on the team. And then once you leave that team aspect and then you're off by yourself, it changes.

The dynamic changes. You don't have that guy that can amp you up. Hiring coaches, hiring people that know what's going on. What would you say the biggest thing that people come into your business or your therapy office there, what would you say the biggest thing is? Is it knee pain? I don't know. Ankle?

What is it knee pain i don't know ankle what is it uh i mean i'd say i mean but right now i'd say uh lower back um pain or knee pain are kind of the most common things that we're seeing yeah so and so why like why why what's the commonality with that yeah i mean a lot of people we see are i think i mean i think it life. Like, I think that's just kind of part of living. I think, you know, we definitely see people that have pain with specific exercises that they're doing. Um, but we also see, you know, the numbers looking at sedentary people, similar numbers with pain. Um, so, and I think, you know, um, so it's, it's kind of one of those things where it's like, no matter what you do, you're probably going to be dealing with some issues where, you know, like being proactive and kind of continuing to stay active through it, I think is kind of the important thing. Because I think, you know, it's really easy to stop doing something because you may have had pain doing it.

Right. Doesn't always mean that's the thing that's causing the problem. Exactly. So I think, you know, there's lots of things that we talk about and, again, kind of lots of factors that go into each individual and why they're dealing with issues. But I think, you know, I don't know if there's any specific one, like, cause for any, like, everybody's pain. Yeah. know if there's any specific one like cause for any like everybody's pain uh but um but i think

it is it is kind of um the the thing that we really strive is to either you know keep you doing what you want to do um rather than you know letting you know kind of getting into the medical system where you are going to be probably told to you know know, stop CrossFit. That's, that's not good for you. Exercise is bad. Right. So, um, or stop powerlifting or stop running, you know, like all of these things are things we hear people being told every day. Right. And you know, there's, there's probably a bigger issue in this country with people not moving than moving and exercising that we need to deal with. And that's like, I love that you said that because all of them, well, you better not do that anymore. Yeah. It's something I love to do.

You're going to tell me I can't do this anymore? Like, get with somebody who knows what they're doing. Get with Alan here and talk to him. At least sit down with you, right? And say, hey, these are the issues that I'm having. I'm having knee pain. Well, it could be because your quads are too tight or your hammy's too tight and it's pulling on this.

Or maybe you, I had shoulder pain at one point before I had the surgery and it wasn't anything to do with the rotator cuff, but I was having muscle pain. I couldn't even get my arm up. And what it was is I went in and got with a physical therapist. I didn't go to the doctor because I'm like, no, I don't need with a physical therapist. I didn't go to the doctor, you know, because I'm like, no, I don't need to go to him. I need to go to somebody who knows the body, right, that specializes on muscle, ligaments, how it all functions, and I couldn't diagnose it, and so he's in there, and he's going in my armpit, and there's muscles that run in there that were just clenched up, right? He was like, there it is. And I, and I could feel it. It was just knotted up. And he was like, there it is, Kyle. And so we

worked on that. Right. And boom, it released. And I was like, holy cow, I have motion back again, but it was all because of, you know, muscle that was like locked in. Right. It wouldn't release. And it was, once we got that fixed i was like man this is amazing right and so if i'd have gone to like a regular doctor they'd have been like well you better stop lifting yeah you know take this take some ibuprofen yeah you know there's nothing really we can do about it you know go get a massage uh without specifically pinpointing hey what's the issue how do we fix it these are the exercises to release it yeah uh and go that route yeah so you see it every day you live this life every single day you know exactly okay you you come in with knee pain we got to do xyz we're gonna we're gonna feel a little bit in here and

see where everything's going did you have any injuries did you did this happen because muscles will lock you know they have they have like trauma Yeah. And so they'll just lock in there and they won't move. And then it's pulling on something a little bit different than you start to have pain. Um, so I'm 100% behind the type of business that you do and being able to help people, you know, move better. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's, you know, that's, that's kind of, you know, we, we can see people without a referral. I think you know, that's kind of, you know, we can see people without a referral. I think that's something that's kind of like a little bit different than people are accustomed to. But in Virginia, it's something we can do.

I mean, we're able to screen when people need to see a doctor. Like, so if something is going on that, you know, you might need some imaging or it might not be coming from muscles or joints. Like that's something we, we send, send out. But when, I mean, you, I think most of us know the frustration of, you know, waiting for a doctor's appointment, you know, going into the doctor's office and, you know, like it could be weeks or months before you really get treatment and, you know, we can, we can start that right away. And, you know, if it is something that, you know, we can help you out with, it's probably going to be fixed by the time you, you really even get help otherwise. Right. So, so tell

me how, how, like if I'm a new client coming into your business and say, I have some knee pain, what's the process of, of working with you? How's that work? Yeah. So we, we, we pretty much start everybody with a free phone console. Um, and that's, that's a place where we do a little bit of screening. So, um, we just, we just want to make sure people are right, the right fit for what we do. Um, so, um, and then, and that they're in the right place. So we're not wasting their time. Um, so we kind of go through what they're in the right place so we're not wasting their time. So we kind of go through what they're dealing with, talk to them a little bit about what we do and our process, and then if it's a good fit, then we get them set up for an evaluation, which is kind of in person and just kind of a full kind of assessment at that point.

Okay. So you'll come in, then you'll do the assessment. Once you do the assessment, I'm sure you have, like, you know, hey, this is going to take X amount of time to fix. Right. Are you committed to making that happen? Yeah. And that's why we talk to people. I mean, we go through the evaluation,

really want to kind of figure out exactly what's going on with them. So it's kind of looking at them as a person, like how they move, and then really kind of diving into, if it is shoulder pain, looking at the shoulder, and then really getting a good understanding of exactly what's going on, and then we can talk to them. Yeah, this looks like this type of issue we're gonna need to see you for this long and really giving them a plan um so that they can see okay like i'm gonna start here we're gonna work on mobility we're gonna work on you know these things initially and then we're gonna start to work towards uh towards basketball or towards

throwing again um things things that they really want to do so they can see that plan and really kind of see what it looks like. And we really kind of lay that out for them in that first session. Nice. So they come in, they'll have a plan, hey, this is what we're doing, this is how we're going to get to your end goal of where we need to be, hey, this is kind of the time frame that it's going to take as well. Yeah, absolutely. goal of where we need to be hey that's kind of the time frame that it's gonna yeah gonna take as well yeah absolutely yeah and i think i mean that's what i mean you know where things can

be different but based on what we see like we like to really give people a plan and really kind of see that path forward um and really allow them to kind of have an idea on like what you know what they're looking at um and and if it's something you know we think we can really help them out with and really make like tremendous progress from where they're at you know, what they're looking at. And if it's something, you know, we think we can really help them out with and really make like tremendous progress from where they're at. You know, sometimes things have been going on for a while. It can take a while and letting them know, like, we're not, we're not here for a quick fix. Like, yeah, we're going to be doing things that help you to feel better, but we want to look at long-term changes and really look at changing where you're at now and where that baseline is to a much higher place so that this isn't something you have to deal with forever. So long story short, pretty much all pain can be managed.

That's what I'm getting, right? Yeah. All pain can be managed to a certain extent. Yeah. Right? There are some things, some extenuating circumstances and stuff, but if you're having pain in knees, ankles, stuff like that, and you're in fairly decent health, it's just imbalances in the body of things that you're

having, right? Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, a lot of times we'll see people with knee pain that had an old ankle sprain. And because they don't have proper ankle mobility, they're putting more stress on their knee. And it's not really a knee problem. We've got to work on that ankle, or we're never going to get that knee better. But that's why, again, we kind of take that approach of looking at you as a whole, looking at your history and things. Cause I mean, there's, there's lots of things that can, can factor into pain. Um, and, um, again, kind of looking at all those factors and having the time to dive into that with people really helps us to, to, um, get to what is driving that pain and

really get a good game plan to get them to where they want to be. Nice. Wow. And where, where can people find you? Yeah. Um, so we're on East high street.

Uh, it's a 1326 East high street, um, in Charlottesville. Um, so you have a Facebook page too. Uh, yeah,

we have a Facebook page. Um, it's, um, whole strength underscore PT. We, uh, we do throw some stuff on Facebook. Uh, we,

we do a lot of our stuff on Instagram. Yeah. So same, uh, uh, at whole strength underscore PT. Um, so, but we, we put up some, some cool content, rehab stuff, exercise stuff, and, and just, you know, just general health and fitness, uh, um, info on there. So nice. So guys, if, if any of this resonates with you and you're having some issues, reach out to Alan, man. Um, he knows the stuff I've had conversations with him on and off camera here. And, uh, he knows what he's talking about. And it's, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a fresh, it's, you know, it's breath of fresh air that like, Hey, you know, there are a lot of things that you can do with the body that instead of just taking pills, there's so much more to relieve pain, to make you feel better, to have a more productive and fulfilling life by not taking anything. Just eat some good food.

Do you guys do anything with that? Do you talk about nutrition? We do, yeah. I mean, we definitely, we're not nutritionists, but at our level of training, we've definitely had some nutrition background. So general recommendations, and we do refer to nutritionists when we feel like there's more need for that. So with different issues that people are dealing with. Well, cool, man. Cool. Well, Alan, thanks for coming on today, man. I appreciate it. Thanks for sharing your, uh, your wisdom and your business with us and just helping people locally get and feel better. Yeah, absolutely. And that's, that's what we do. That's what we do. And that's, that's our,

that's our goal is just to kind of help, uh create a healthier community yeah i love it man i love i love your mission i love what you're making happen over there and i'm excited uh for more success comes your way man thank you yeah absolutely guys and until next week we talk to local business owners making big things happen in the local community um so we will see you next week with another guest. I appreciate the follow.