The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Trump's State Of The Union + Spanberger's Rebuttal; Has State Of The Union Turned Into Reality TV?
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A lot I want to cover on the program today.
What did you think of the State of the Union last night?
I watched it from start to finish the entire one hour and 47 minutes.
It's like Donald Trump knew what was going on in Wahoo Nation.
UVA beats the brakes off of NC State.
They euthanize the Wahoos euthanize the Wolfpack.
The second half, it was getting ugly.
I think it was 30, 31 points.
Virginia was up.
Played as good at basketball as any I've seen.
But as soon as the Virginia basketball game was over,
and our two sons snuck out of the room.
These little wily little SOBs,
I put our three-year-old to bed.
Here's the pattern of what we do in our house.
I put our three-year-old to bed.
He's a pesky little ducker.
Quack, quack, quack, quack.
My wife puts our seven-year-old to bed.
We each read them a book.
Our three-year-old is really big into curious George and Paul Patrol.
our seven-year-old is huge into squash and the bad guys books so my wife reads them about a chapter from the bad guy's books while i read
curious george i wonder why our three-year-old is constantly getting into trouble every day he's watching curious george on
television or read books that are curious george books and this pesky little monkey can't be more than two and a half three feet tall
he's getting the trouble left and right.
I wonder if our three-year-old is modeling
Curious George.
And I say, this monkey's always getting into trouble
and our three-year-old laughs,
and he laughs one of those sinister laughs,
kind of like a James Earl Jones criminal sinister laughing.
He goes, not trouble, daddy, curious,
curious, George.
And I just shake my head.
As I leave my three-year-old's room,
I head into our seven-year-old's room,
We talk squash, watch some squash highlights while my wife kind of tucks in and kisses our three-year-old.
And that's pretty much the routine each night.
We try to have them in bed and kind of the 8 o'clock, 8.30 vicinity.
They're three and seven years old.
They're young.
They then hear my wife who is exhausted because she's carrying the weight of the entire family.
She is an absolute rock star.
Our family would not be where it's at today.
If it was not for my wife, I sincerely, authentically, genuinely, genuinely mean that.
they find they they listen to the noises of the house they hear she's closed the door to the room
she's in bed and wait 15 minutes then they come out first the three-year-old then the seven-year-old
i'm watching the virginia basketball game i have a cold beer in my hand last night it was a minute
man from three-notch brewing company our three-year-old comes out he goes who's winning daddy
and i pick them up i put them on my lap i'm sitting in a lazy boy recliner watching
the game. The seven-year-old comes out five minutes later and says, what, he beat me to it? That's
not fair. He plops on the couch. The three of us end up watching the UVA basketball game. I then
walk them back to their room. As the contest is finishing, I flip the channel to NBC News,
watch State of the Union. Donald Trump walks through every politician of merit, through the crowd,
gets behind the podium,
soaks up the attention,
and his iconic red tie
with his Chester Cheeto orange hue,
his comb over,
swept over,
almost in disarray,
not perfectly organized.
I wonder if they didn't use enough
trucemae number four
when prepping him for his state of the union.
And minutes after UVA euthanizes the Wolfpack,
the state of the union starts.
And I'm like, well, that's perfect timing.
I crack another IPA and I sit back what I expect to be about.
And, you know, I think Bill Clinton had the record for the longest state of the union at the time.
I'm like, Trump's going to go at least an hour.
I got a cold beer here.
I'm ready to go.
Trump ends up going an hour and 47 minutes.
One hour and 47 minutes for a state of the union, ladies and gentlemen.
And this state of the union had all the makings of reality,
television and less of the makings of of diplomacy and and presidential behavior. It reminded me of
what was the, what was the game show that had various doors and you had to guess or you got the prize
that was behind one of those doors? Do you remember what I'm talking about?
Was that Price's Right?
No, it wasn't Price's Right.
That was Bob Barker.
Gosh, I was at love with Bob Barker's showcase showdown baddies.
Man, the baddies from the showcase showdown, those gals that were helping them work that spin the wheel and the put putt and Plinko.
Remember Plinko on Price's Right?
I used to skip school, pretend like I was sick.
Let's make a deal was the game show.
But I used to skip school as a kid in Williamsburg.
And Williamsburg has merit on today's show,
because Spanberger gave the rebuttal while standing in Williamsburg.
But I used to skip school so I could watch Price is Right and Young and the Restless.
And those baddies at the Price is Right with the Plinko and the Pud and the Showcase Showdown and the Spinning of the Wheel,
they were not, they were beautiful.
Then I'd go into Cricket and Victor Newman and Jack and all the soap opera that was young and the restless soon thereafter.
It was a perfect way to spend an afternoon.
when you somehow faked a Ferris Bueller,
102-degree fever and a little to stay in bed
and stay in the house while your parents went to work.
Let's make a deal was the game.
Didn't you feel like Trump last night with the State of the Union
was almost like the host of Let's Make a Deal?
There were constantly, and behind door number one,
is the U.S. hockey team.
And the U.S. hockey team who won a gold medal
what, on Sunday?
He trots them out 48,
55 hours later,
roundabout,
and these guys have the gold medal.
They have the gold medals around their neck.
The Democrats who sat together in the auditorium,
they rarely stood
any time Trump was making a point.
The Republicans, any time he said basically a word,
the Republicans were standing and clapping.
Everyone stood when the U.S. hockey team, however, came out with the gold medals around their neck.
And he was constantly bringing people out various doors during the State of the Union.
It was more reality television show than presidential diplomacy.
And while I found it can't miss television, my eyes were
glued for the entire hour and 47 minutes. I absorbed the state of the union as if I was watching
a car accident or a train wreck as I was driving on the road in our family four explorer and kind
of rubbernecking to try to see what was going on my glaze transfixed, my eyes transfixed on the
accident. That's kind of what happened last night. I would imagine it's the most watched state of the
Union in American history. It was an hour and 47 minutes. Extremely strategic to go an hour and 47
minutes on prime time. It pushed Abigail Spamberger's rebuttal back to well in the 11 o'clock hour
on the East Coast. Can't imagine how many people stood up to watch Abigail Spamberger speak at Williamsburg
and the 11 o'clock hour of the rebuttal to Donald Trump. That was strategic. Donald Trump went
after every Tom, Dick, and Harry, every Jennifer, Kelly, and Sarah out there.
He made reference to border patrol, to the golden age of America, to the greatest and wealthiest country in the world.
He threw more shade than I could possibly count at Joe Biden.
He zigged and zanged and, you know, hit below the belt on Nancy Pelosi.
There was a point in the State of the Union last night where he was saying,
we need to stop insider trading with Congress.
and even Elizabeth Warren
jumped out of her seat
and started giving him
the most aggressive round of the applause
ever possible.
And I think Trump, after he said,
we have to stop insider trading,
said, do you think Nancy Pelosi's going to go for that?
I think not.
It was, it was, there were references to transgender.
And did you guys see the Virginia girl?
The reference to the Virginia girl
with her parents bookending her?
and he talked about how this girl who was transitioning
because of the influence of Virginia public schools, northern Virginia,
from a girl to a guy,
and then because the parents were not willing to acknowledge
that their daughter was now a guy,
a judge took her away from them.
Now she's transitioned back to a girl
and is back in the house with her parents
and has a full scholarship to Liberty University,
as Trump was heaping her with accolades last night,
instead of clapping, I thought it was odd.
Instead of clapping, she did this movement.
She got her pointer finger and her thumb together
and did this movement and kind of like chirped them
as if she was a baby bluebird trying to eat the head of a worm
that Mama Bluebird is trying to feed the baby.
She was like, the dad was humiliated.
The mom was beaming with pride.
She's got a full scholarship to Liberty University.
Vice President J.D. Vance looked like he was going to have knee issues.
He probably sat down and stood up like 300 times.
That's like a P90X workout for Vice President J.D. Vance.
The first lady was on camera constantly during the State of the Union.
She's a beautiful lady.
She was referenced as a movie star by President Trump.
This was legitimately reality television last night, ladies and gentlemen.
What did you think of the state of the union?
Curtis Schaever, you're right.
Let's make a deal.
Brick Wolf said he stopped after a handful of the early life.
There was a lot of the stretching of the truth last night in the state of the union, without question.
But that's what he does.
That is who he is.
The Supreme Court justices were in the first race.
row, some clad in their justice robes, and they were oftentimes shown on camera, and they were
just stoic, almost humiliated when he referenced Trump that they shot down his tariff strategies.
It was wild.
You had folks kicked out of chambers.
I mean, it was absolutely wild.
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Charlottesville, the State of the Union last night, Daniel Kaufman. Curious of your thoughts.
Betsy Nugent. Judith Wickhauer, studio camera two shot. I was transfixed. It was the second or
third cousin, the State of the Union last night, of keeping up with the Kardashians.
That's a way to put it. The second or third cousin of Ryan Seacris,
executive producing, keeping up the Kardashians.
And the only thing missing was some plastic surgery
and Bruce Jenner transitioning.
Everything else was the same.
What struck you from an hour and 47 minutes straight?
Imagine being the speech writer.
Do you think there was one?
How much of what Trump did for an hour and 47 minutes last night
was tied to a prompter
and words on a prompter and an official speech provided to the president?
Or how much of what happened last night was Donald Trump ad-libbing on the fly?
Did you guys see John McGuire at the end of the state of the union?
There was a couple of shots at the end of the state of the union,
and John McGuire joined us on the I Love Seville show last week.
Props to Congressman John McGuire for coming on the show.
Had a new glimpse of John McGuire.
I thought he was extremely authentic what he was on the show.
Thank you to John McGuire for coming on the show.
I will say how he was depicted at the end of the State of the Union last night was a bit desperate looking
as he was eager to get close to Donald Trump as he was walking out of the auditorium out of the chamber.
He was Congressman McGuire trying to either get a selfie or get a handshake, get a high five,
something with Donald Trump.
And they caught John McGuire on camera as he was kind of like moving, like getting in front of people.
He was kind of like tiptoeing.
He was doing like the docey dough.
I mean, he was, you know, doing this with his shoulders.
He was kind of trying to...
It had everything last night.
Judah Wickauer, my friend, with a lot of people watching.
What tickled your fancy?
I wonder how much the length of the State of the Union address was just to push back Abigail Spanagher's rebuttal.
I think without question it was strategic.
Without question, it was strategic. It not only pushed back Abigail Spamberger's rebuttal into the 11 o'clock hour on the East Coast, and how about the newly minted Virginia governor getting national airtime in prime time, but then seeing that prime time head to the 11 o'clock hour when it's not so prime time. It was also strategic by Donald Trump because he knew that the national news, the talking heads, the analysts that were going to cover his state of the union.
that started after 9 o'clock would have less airtime post-state of the union to offer negative analytical commentary on what he said.
Because we know CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and NBC were all going to be negative in their analysis and commentary in the state of the union.
only Fox News was going to offer favorable commentary.
So by pushing, by going an hour and 47 minutes,
he starts intruding upon the 11 o'clock broadcast time for the national news networks.
And at the 11 o'clock broadcast time for the national news networks, he's very smart.
He knows that at the 11 o'clock slot on the East Coast,
the national networks have to go to their local news.
news. Like if you watch NBC on a box in front of a couch, I don't do that. Couldn't tell you the last time I've
watched broadcast news, probably before COVID, the last time our household has watched broadcast news,
just being straightforward. But by going to up to 11 o'clock, he knew the talking heads at the
national networks would have like nine or 10 minutes tops to offer negative commentary on him. So not only does he take away
Spamberger's primetime spotlight.
Can you imagine being a fly on the wall
on Abigail Spamberger's dressing room or the green room?
She was thinking all along,
I am going to be able to address the nation
with the democratic rebuttal to Donald Trump.
And then as it went from an hour
to an hour in 15 minutes to an hour and 30 minutes,
Spamberger, I can assure you, was fuming
because she was losing thousands,
tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of eyeballs, every 15-minute increment he was extending
to the longest state of the Union in American history.
Well, I think one big change to the state of the union is that it used to be far more,
what's the word, personal?
I mean, it was a way for the president to talk to the people of America.
And obviously, President Trump does plenty of.
that on a almost daily basis via social media.
And so I think that, along with the fact that he was, you know, pushing back the time when Spanberger would get to start,
I think it was far less impactful because people aren't just going to be able to watch it on, you know, channel.
seven on their television the night of.
It's going to be around for anyone to watch.
There are going to be transcripts.
And honestly, I mean, like I said,
the people that are pro-Trump
were always going to cheer his State of the Union address,
and the people that are anti-Trump
were never going to have their minds changed.
Yes and no. Yes, I agree that the people are pro-Trump, regardless of what Trump said last night, we're going to be pro-Trump. And we're going to support him regardless of what he said. I think there was an opportunity for Trump to improve his approval rating, which is pretty abysmal right now. And there was an opportunity for Trump to set up a political ecosystem that was a little bit more favorable come midterms. And midterms are right around.
the corner. And I don't think
necessarily Trump did that. I want the viewers
and listeners that watch this program
that try to politically
moniker me as
conservative or Republican, to hear what
I'm saying, I'm offering
analytical analysis that is
not favorable of Trump in the State of the
Union last night. I don't
think what he did for an hour and
47 minutes, the
end result is favorable for
Republicans and conservatives come midterms.
I think it's
very clear what the Democrats are trying to do. They're trying to say, we are the party of you,
the American population that is struggling to pay your bills. There's this world we live in right now
where the stock market is record high. All time highs every day. All time highs for the stock
market. All time highs. Okay. If you're in a class of American that is deeply invested in stocks and
equities, your wealth is at it most likely in an all-time high. I mean, consider it. If you own real
estate, it's at an all-time high in value. That's your home. If you have investment property,
rental property, it's at an all-time high in value. Plus, your rents are basically at an all-time
high for your rental properties. If you have vacation homes, second and third homes, all-time high in
value. If you Airbnb them, all time high in occupancy and the charges and fees you can charge.
Your occupancy is great. The fees you're charging are great. If you have stocks and equities,
all time high. Literally all time high. This class of American, it is the golden age for them.
We're in a gilded golden age. And he used that term.
terminology last night in the state of the union.
If the large majority of Americans, the pyramid of the voting triangle, the base, if you use a
pyramid of triangle, the base is not of that socioeconomic status.
Definitely not.
Far from it.
In the base of the triangle where the large percentage of voters live and reside are literally
paycheck to paycheck.
They are paycheck to paycheck.
It's been made very clear.
And I thought what Trump did yesterday was appeal to the top of the triangle,
but really missed the reality that the base of the triangle is the populace and the robust voter base, if you may.
Spamberger comes on, and you're rotating lower thirds on screen, please.
There's lower thirds.
She comes on from Williamsburg, big ups to Williamsburg, and I'm going to read,
your comments, viewers, and listeners here on the show in a matter of moments.
And I'm going to give some props to Spamberger first.
Then I'm going to give some, I'm going to knock Spamberger next.
Anyone that's trying to label me a Republican, a Democrat, a conservative, a liberal,
a libertarian, whatever it is, listen to the show, dude.
I just call a spade a spade.
Okay?
I don't vote party.
I vote policy and place.
platform and promises, and I use the word promises loosely. Spamberger comes on for her rebuttal from Williamsburg.
Big ups to Williamsburg, my hometown. Born in South Florida and Naples, grew up in Williamsburg.
Williamsburg's the home where I was raised. Charlestville's my home. There's no place I live longer than Charlottesville.
Been here 26 years in August. Charlottesville's where I became a man, matured, fiancé, husband, husband, father, business owner for 18 years in May.
but big ups Williamsburg. Spamberger is a gifted speaker. Spamberger is a very gifted public speaker. She uses her hands well. She delivers in a way that you feel human connection and authenticity. She looks the part. Abigail Spamberger in a lot of ways reminds me of Hillary Clinton without the Clinton baggage.
Hillary Clinton was groomed by the National Democratic Party
to become the face of America, the face of Democrats.
A lot of stuff went against Hillary Clinton's way
right before it was game time for America to decide.
Abigail Spamberger is Clinton without the baggage.
Now the question is, can you parlay the
the governor's mansion, some Congress, some CIA, and some law enforcement into presidential.
There are kingmakers that are clearly trying to do this with Abigail Spamberger.
How does somebody that's been the governor of Virginia for a month, for literally a month,
get handpicked to offer the rebuttal to Donald Trump on national television in front of the world.
That's not a coincidence.
Definitely not.
She uses the word, I try to do this often, okay?
This is kind of like, I've taken public speaking classes at the University of Virginia.
I don't know how many.
I was a part of speech and debate and forensics in high school.
My mother understood the importance of public speaking with my brother and I,
and two or three times a week would have my brother and I at night,
literally standing on a soap box in front of her
and giving public speeches to my mom and the other brother,
either me or my brother.
And she would be critiquing us twice a week, three times a week,
on our delivery and our execution for like 15 minutes before bed.
no BS truly happened.
Then went to college, took a handful of public speaking classes at the University of Virginia,
parlayed that into syndicated radio, television talk shows, and now what we're doing now.
You can start analyzing speech patterns for talented orators.
Spamberger utilizes the tactic and skill set of three.
When you're using the spoken word, rattling off list in threes,
offers rhythm, allows you to go and bing, bam, boom.
And when you use threes, bing, bam, boom,
and doing it a way where you're saying it
and also delivering it with your body language,
it breeds captivated, you're captivating,
you're human connecting.
She did that multiple times in her rebuttal yesterday.
Now, the cons for Abigail Spanberger.
There's, I can't, does anyone think Virginia is going to be more affordable under Abigail Spanberger's watch?
The entire premise of Spamberger and the large premise of Donald Trump was affordability for Americans.
Was the economy.
It's the economy, stupid.
Who's that, James Carville?
Yeah, I think so.
The political scientists?
the political consultant,
it's the economy, stupid.
That's how Americans vote.
I sincerely and authentically mean this.
I don't see a Virginia under Abigail Spamberger, a Democrat,
and a Virginia under a general assembly that's controlled by Democrats,
being any way affordable for Virginians.
And that's not about shade.
I want to hear from someone I trust.
We're working on Larry Sabato.
Larry Sabato, we're efforting the UVA star professor.
We're circulating March 5th Thursday or March 12th Thursday.
The dude is so busy.
Not only is he teaching classes Monday, Wednesday, and Friday,
but he's got like political virtuosos coming to the University of Virginia left and right.
in fact
the last one
was
this is what his
his
his
his booking colleague
I'm now speaking
to his booking colleague
Nancy Pelosi
uh
evidently we didn't get
on the schedule ahead
because Nancy Pelosi
trumped us
what are you going to do
Nancy Pelosi's Trump in the
I Love Seval show
what the HG double hockey sticks
I hope the Nancy Pelosi is asked when she's on grounds at the University of Virginia
about the shade Donald Trump threw her way with insider trading.
And then her Democratic colleague Elizabeth Warren shooting out of her seat
as if there was Mexican jumping beans on the seat or red ants nibbling at her rear end.
Elizabeth Warren got up and literally like was aggressively clapping her hands
about insider trading in Congress.
I'll ask Larry Sabato,
is there a chance for affordability in the Commonwealth
when the General Assembly is dominated by Democrats,
as is the governor's mansion?
We want split government, not monopolized government.
Split governments for what's best for Americans.
Monopolyed government is not what's best for Americans or Virginians.
There's so many instances of monopolized government
being bad for voters, Americans,
You want to talk about monopolized government being bad for Almore counties or Charlottesvillians?
Have we looked at the budget Al Morrow County over 600 million?
You know today at noon, the county executive is presenting to Almore County's board of supervisors,
his suggestion for Almore County's budget, if the word real estate tax rate increase is on the tips of the tongues of
of the Almore County supervisors or the county executive,
do we hang in effigy,
the humans that use it?
I sincerely mean this.
Who is the last person, Carol Thorpe,
to be hung in effigy in this community?
I believe it was Dave Norris,
the former Charlottesville mayor,
was hung in effigy during the Occupy,
Charlottesville Occupy Wall Street Movement
and Lee Park,
sorry emancipation park sorry market street park what's the park called now uh is it just market
bryant park what is the park called now i sincerely mean that is it market street park
i think so is it market street park okay the last person to be hung in effigy in the city of charlottesville
carol thorpe this is legitimately right up your alley i believe it was dave norris right at market
Street Park, if real
state tax right increase
is used by anyone
at the Almaro County
office building, which is a hop, skip, and a jump
from here, I think I could hit my driver,
my tailor-made bubble burner
from here to the Alamara County
office building. If it
catches a couple of hops on the asphalt,
right near Market Street Park, Lee Park,
Zayana Bryant Park, Parac, emancipation Park,
I think my titleist
Bellata can make it that far.
do we consider
hung in effigy metaphorically
proverbially please don't take my word
seriously
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Chuda Wickhara, you jump in here, Spamberger,
Donald Trump, and what we saw last night before we go to some other topics
and some comments on the show.
Well, in the case of what you termed reality TV,
I think it's fairly true.
It was almost a farthest time.
times, I think. Trump basically gave himself kudos over a lot of stuff. Some of it false, some of it
true, some of it a little of both. From lifting millions of people off of food stamps to more Americans
working to murder rates the lowest in 125 years. I just feel like
less would have been more.
I think the quote that you posted from Larry Sabado was...
Sabado.
Sabado was really on point.
That he could have made something...
You're talking about the retweet?
Yeah.
On Twitter? Okay. Go ahead.
Less would have been more.
He could have done...
He could have done a lot more.
He could have looked a lot better.
I don't think the extended runtime did him much good,
even if it did tick off Abigail Spanwiger.
Comments are coming in quickly.
Chad Wood's got one of the best comments out there.
Chad Wood says, was there any additional tax to watch
Abigail Spamberger's rebuttal.
Any additional
tax?
Stacey Baker-Patti laughs hysterically
to Chad Wood in his
comments. Chad Wood is one of the best
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Jefferson District and the Western Amarral Football
Program under Steve Isaacs
and his prolific single-wing attack that
featured Brian Leskinik.
Ginny Who is watching the program, her
photo on screen.
Ginny Who says Spamberger
is the Democrats' new playbook to
see if you can run as a moderate and win,
then institute whatever extremely left policies you want.
Jeannie Hu says you can thank Woodrow Wilson
for the state of the union becoming an address
rather than a letter submitted to Congress.
She says, not all Democrats stood for the hockey team.
Anyone who did not stand for the hockey team
and the gold medal when they entered last night
should be stripped of whatever position or title they have.
If there's any cross-examination.
Ross Isle unifying storyline in America today.
It's the USA hockey team, winning gold and beating Canada,
and what was storybook culmination.
Jeannie Hu says, Nick Friedas fought hard for Sage and her family while he was a delicate.
If you Googled her finger movements, it's called clocking and is a TikTok trend.
It's akin to spilling the tea, meaning the president was telling the truths people don't want to hear.
So this was the...
interesting.
This was the,
I don't even know how to describe this.
The minor
who transitioned from girl
to guy, then
transitioned back from guy to girl,
was taken from her
parents because her parents would
not recognize in court that she was
a guy at the time. Instead,
chose to recognize her by
her birth
gender,
sex, her birth,
her birth sex,
was then
institutionalized,
put into
foster homes
with other boys.
In that
foster scenario
with other boys,
she was
ridiculed
mercilously,
then transitions
back to girl
and has now
got a full ride
to Jerry Falwell's
Liberty University.
One of the
most Christian
far-right
four-year
universities in America.
Wild story.
Trump
about it there and how Trump portrayed it was so matter of fact that it didn't have any like
I guess I would say compassion. So it was just as if he was like calling the play by play of
what happened to this minor while she was bookend with her parents as the whole world was watching
and they were like 50 feet, you know, 100 feet from him. Yeah. It was wild. It was wild. And Ginny
who says John McGuire was
shown before, during, and after. Guess it depends on which coverage you watched. CNN already asked
Pelosi about it, and she gave a non-answer answer about the insider trading comments and what Donald
Trump, what Donald Trump had to say. Comments are coming in faster than I can keep up. Vanessa Parkill,
the Queen of Earleysville, the Supreme Court justices are always stoic during the state of the union.
And she says, I'm glad that most Democrats appear to attend. I don't expect them to give the
president any standing ovations. But I think showing up as part of their job and she's glad they showed
up. Vanessa Park Hill, most of the people who are paycheck to paycheck have been and will likely be
that regardless of who is in the White House. I've been there and I've seen family members there.
Personal choices have a lot to do with it. The beauty of America is with hard work and a little
luck. You can change your situation. I know a lot of people who did not grow up in a wealthy home who are
doing quite well now. Amen, Vanessa. And she says it depends on how you define a four
There's a business-like approach where policy leads to lower cost of goods and services.
Then there's an approach that depends on the government dispersing tax dollars to low-income houses.
I prefer the former.
It allows me to direct charitable funds as I see fit for scouting on politicians to choose for me.
Scott Aaronworth is watching the program.
The talented Esquire is it Virginia Beach or Portsmouth, Scott Aaronworth.
He said, John McGuire, no offense to you, Jerry, because I know you were a fan.
he looked like he was fan-girling
and looked clownish at the end.
And then he says, why was John McGuire sitting on the Democrat side?
He looked weak last night.
Then he says, a couple of other comments.
It must be in reference to some of the other stuff.
Scott, clarify the other comments that I'll relay I'm live on air.
There's a boatload of comments watching the program.
Jeremy Wilson is watching the program in eastern Tennessee.
You have folks in seven different states.
watching the program right now. Thank you, Lauren and Ivy for letting me know it was
let's make a deal. We appreciate you. On the I Love Seville Facebook page,
goodness, there's a lot. Janice Bois Trevillian's photo on screen. She says
Abigail Spamberger was not honest either. Janice Bois Trevillian says, I thought she was
awful, very stoic, did not connect. Janice Bois Trevillian thinks Abigail Spamberger is in Soros's
pocket. And she also says, beware.
Larry Sabato is very biased.
Jeremy Wilson in eastern Tennessee,
Donald Trump is not a politician.
He's not going to change.
At least you could understand what he was saying,
unlike Joe Biden.
Joe Biden's state of the union was disastrous.
Disasterous.
Barbara Becker-Tilly watching the program.
I think you looked too deep into Trump's speech.
He is Trump. He rambles on.
But last night, he used the Democrats' opposition to him,
their anger at him.
against them. The fact that Democrats are not willing to stand up and work for Americans
speaks volumes. Barbara Becker-Tilly also says Virginia is in trouble with Scamburger. Many of us
saw it coming. However, she needs this platform to spring forward and her political aspirations
by following along with an agenda. You're going to have to convince me that the governor
is not a socialist, viewers and listeners. Convince me that Abigail Spamberger is not a socialist,
It has not smoke and mirrored or three-card montied Virginia voters
with a campaign on affordability and putting more money in Virginia's pockets.
John Blair watching the program.
A contender for cursed location when you get to this topic is Almorel Square Shopping Center from Ryo.
There is a structure there that has been so many enterprises on your left
and the entire strip of street-level retail in West Maine under one of the student-apportals.
apartment complexes. It's where
pot bellies used to be. We're going to get to the
cursed locations on the program here in a matter of
moments. We've gone about 50 minutes on the
State of the Union. I thought it was
I thought it was must-see television.
I mean,
it was must-see television.
And that's not
me speaking in favor. That's just me being
like, oh my God, he did that.
Right? Sometimes you
got to wonder, why no one's standing
behind him to knock the phone out of his
hands when he starts tweeting or is is don't trump 80 years old i think so is he 80
at least he is the most he's 79 he's about to turn 80 he is the most energetic and vivacious
79 year old i have ever seen no doubt he spoke for an
an hour and 47 minutes straight and was not tired, gasping for air,
and literally could have done it for another hour and 47 minutes.
I know people like that.
But I'm not 79, though.
Did I say it was you?
There's a huge, we're talking 40 years of difference.
Did I say it was you?
Everyone knows who you're alluding to.
Next topic, what do you got you to work?
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What's the next to you to Wickear?
Old Devil's Backbone spot.
Yes.
So we got this information sent to us yesterday.
Devil's Backbone and what's it?
It's in the lark.
That's where it's at.
It's in the lark.
It's now for lease again.
Think about what's been in that brew pub on West Main Street.
You've had Hardywood.
You had the terrible,
luck of Skipping Rock Brewing Company. Skipping Rock Brewing Company is now out of business,
and a lot of their beer equipment is at Pro Renata. Pro Renata, John Shave, he's a businessman.
Is John Shabe watching the program today? They purchased a lot of the Skipping Rock
Beer Brewing Company equipment when they went out. One of the main reason Skipping Rock went
out of business is they bad luck, bad luck, took over the lease for Hardywood on West Main Street.
Is that Roosevelt Brown in West Maine? Is it the corner of Roosevelt Brown and West Maine there?
And then COVID hit. And then basically Skipping Rock was paying rent on a place that couldn't be used
because the man, the government, the feds told us we couldn't leave our house. And we had to
basically live in our house and they scared the bejevis out of us. I never followed that.
Never, always, always gray area. Gray area certainly then. And I caught a lot of shade for that.
But in hindsight, it was right. After skipping rock, clothes and like, we can't afford this anymore.
We even have to shut down our business and now we're selling our infrastructure, our equipment,
for pennies on the dollar to pay creditors. Devil's backbone made the surprising move.
to move into this space.
Almost immediately you could tell that there was no traction and momentum.
For Devil's Backbone, that is owned by InBev,
a global conglomerate now owning Devil's Backbone.
It's finally for lease after they tried the rent the space out in private capacity.
Like a private events model.
the private events model really appears to be even struggling in Charlottesville and other locations.
That's a topic for another show.
Now for lease, and it leads me to believe, is this one of the most cursed locations in the city of Charlottesville?
The fabulous crew at Tallheimer, Johnny Pritzloff, Jenny Stoner, Josie Williams, they're phenomenal commercial brokers.
The best of the best.
I sincerely hope they hear this.
They're not going to like that I'm using the word
curse location with their spot.
Johnny, Jenny,
and Josie are phenomenal at what they do.
Clearly this spot has had
headwinds.
It's not tied to you in any capacity.
But is there any other more
cursed location in Charlottesville City
than that devil's backbone, that skipping rock,
that Hardywood brew pub location, Judah.
If there is, it's going to be close.
I know we've got several outside of the Charlottesville City.
Charlottesville City specific, because there's a lot in Almar County.
Yeah, I know.
Shadwell's on Pantops is Almar County.
Yeah, exactly.
We have to narrow it to 10.2 square miles.
What are the most cursed locations in Charlestville City?
This is right up Curtis Shaver's alley.
Curtis, you would offer some insight.
You have experience on the comings and goings of food.
and beverage locally.
You are very savvy and sophisticated.
John Blair, this is up your alley.
Vanessa Park Hill, this is up your alley.
Janice Boyce Trevillian, this is up your alley.
Judah Wickhauer, this is up your alley.
Stonefields across the border.
Stonefields Almore County.
Stonefields Almore County.
Right over the county line.
Yeah.
Okay. I'll offer some that seemed cursed to me.
Draft tap room?
Yeah.
Commonwealth Skybar
Those almost go hand in hand
They're across the street from each other
And they were hand in hand for a while
They were at one time
owned and operated not the real estate
The business by the Alex George
Restaurant Group
Alex George had Commonwealth Skybar
He then had Commonwealth Reserve
Which was across
That side street and mentor of the program
Bill Nitchman's building the professional center
And then Alex George was also running
just curry.
The Curry business
out of where draft tap room is now.
Remember just Curry? That was pre-COVID.
The folks that own
the draft tap room location,
I believe it's the Masons.
The Masons also have
their headquarters right next door.
The Masons...
It's not the last name
moniker. How would you characterize what the Masons are?
Free Masons.
The Freemasons.
That's the last time I've seen them
operating
in a for black capacity.
What Hunter was doing with Passy Flora was not in the black.
There was some scuttlebutt and rumor that J.R. Hadley,
friend of the program,
savvy restaurateur, was partnering with Laura Foner
to do something in the old Commonwealth Skybar location,
and then that dematerialized after Laura then became the head chef at Beer Run.
I'd say Skybar and the draft tap room are pretty cursed.
How about the tonic location?
Alan Cajins.
Alan's not going to like this.
He watches and listens to the show.
Got no beef with you, Alan Cajin.
Got no beef, Alan Cajin.
I appreciate you watching and listening to the program.
Bicestal, Alan Cajin, California, and Charlottesville.
Wasn't it Bacchi at one point?
Caffi Bacchi.
A long, long time ago?
Café Bacchi was there.
I don't know if I remember that.
Caffe Bacchi was owned by Chris Long, not the football player,
but Chris Long, the former
Scottsville Mayor
It was owned by
It was also Uncle Carlton's
A piano bar
I think it was also
It was also
Tin Whistle Irish Pub
Tonic
What was else
Viewers and listeners
Curtis helped me out here
What else was in that location
Tonic
Tin Whistle
Batchie
Cafe Bocci
Carltons
I should know what else was in that location across from the Charlottesville Police Station.
Other cursed locations.
Do we now call the Wild Wing Cafe spot?
That's an Alan Cajin owned, too.
A lot of these are Alan Cajun spots.
You got Commonwealth Sky Bar.
You got Tonic.
Got Wild Wing Cafe.
Those are Cajuns.
Don't hate me, Alan.
think you're a great landlord.
Not everybody. I think you're great landlord.
They seem to have problems.
Hank Martin watching the program.
He says, handsome Hank, consider the abandoned red lobster
in previous Alpac Steakhouse at Almarl Square and Fashion Square.
That's Almaro County, though, handsome Hank.
Yeah.
That's over the city line. We're sticking with the city here.
Bob Yarborough, this is right up your alley.
Rob Neal, this is right up your alley.
Kid Ashie, this is right up your alley.
Daniel Calfin, this is right up your alley.
Troy Robinson is right up your alley.
Charlie K-Bash's
Soul Food Joint
used to be the salad maker.
We came up with the name for the salad maker.
I tried to buy the Soul Food Joint,
that building from Charlie K. Bash at one time.
Wanted way more money than
it's worth.
Now he's trying to Airbnb it.
Yeah.
He's got it into an Airbnb.
I'm guessing not the first floor.
I think that's part of it.
How is that part of it?
There's like a kitchen in there, in there?
Conan Owen is watching the program.
He says the Black Cowl location went through six different restaurants
before landing on Daniel Kaufman and beef is a successful business.
Daniel Kaufman's watching the show right now.
Black Cowan Chop House used to be...
It was three-penny.
It was...
Zinc.
It was first the station.
First ever date that I went on.
I've been in Charlottesville for 26 years in August.
the first ever real date where I was not pounding natural lights with girls that I was trying to take home at the Biltmore or Coupes or at orbit at the time, where I literally set a time, I'll pick you up. I didn't have a car, so we took the trolley. We went to the station, which is where Black Cowlchop houses. Had a fabulous date. Zink.
Three penny cafe.
Yeah.
What else was in that spot?
Daniel, what else was in that spot?
You're not going to be able to Google that.
How are you going to Google that?
What are you going to Google?
What was in Blackout Chapphouse?
No.
That's a hell of a trivia question.
That's a curse spot.
That's not Kajun.
Is it, Daniel?
His landlord is Kijin at public.
Me, our firm, help launch one meatball place.
Yeah.
Richard Zakin and Meg Zee.
Zaken who made a boatload of money working for Paul Manning.
Fantastic people, the Zakins.
They approach our firm.
We want to launch a meatball shop, similar to the meatball shop in New York in Manhattan.
And we came up with one meatball place.
One of the few times where they come to us and say, this is what I want the logo to look
like, a red circle with one meatball place underneath it.
We gave it to him.
He's like, I love it.
Let's go.
One meatball place was where public fish and oyster was.
Conan Owen says Little Star used to be at the blackout chop house.
That's another one.
Good call, Conan Owen.
And we launched one meatball place.
But the Zakins are phenomenal people, phenomenal people.
Richard is so bright.
They weren't restaurant people.
Turning a profit in a restaurant in like the first 12 to 18 months is just unrealistic.
And he just was not very patient with one meatball place.
And Daniel Kaufman came in.
and bought one meatball place from the Zaken's for pennies on the dollar.
And Daniel Kaufman is a restaurant person.
And he saw a gap in the market and went seafood and oysters with a fantastic happy hour
and market rate lobster rolls with friendly bartenders and has crushed it.
There's no restaurant in the city of Charlottesville that does more revenue by square
foot than public. I'm not saying top line
revenue. I'm not saying top line revenue.
I'm saying revenue tied
to square foot than public fish and oyster.
Period. Bar-nod, end of story.
Not a single one.
And he parlayed that success
into Blackout Chop House. He does a really good
job of offering
executive chefs
his right hand a piece
of the business. Brilliant move.
Got a little over his skis. I think
he would agree with me on this. I think this is fair to say
Daniel. A little over the
skis with the bottle shop.
Didn't understand that one.
Sold the bottle shop.
Curse location list, I would say in this order,
you ready?
Number one, that brew pub.
Number two, the tonic spot.
Number three, Wild Wing.
Cajin's better off taking Wild Wing Cafe and chopping that up into two or three
different spots.
Do we add sputnuts?
Number four, sputnuts is crushing it.
Tomas is crushing it.
Quality pie to now bar Tomas.
He's crushing it there.
And Sputnuts was there forever.
I know.
That's not cursed.
I figured there was a reason he changed the name, though.
He changed it because he came up with a brand for a sit-down restaurant that had the word pie in it.
I know.
And wasn't really just selling pie.
Just came out of the gates with a brand moniker, bad branded moniker.
That's fair.
Curtis Shaver's got some good ones.
Oh,
Cursever,
I'd give you a flying chist bump right now.
He says the glass building seems cursed.
Oliver Cootner owned the glass building.
He says the old positively fourth street spot seems curse.
That's where Red Pump Kitchen.
Yeah, Lizziez is there now.
And now the Indian spot, Lizziez.
Lazziz.
Lazziz.
Lazyz.
Or Laisies.
Interesting story for the viewers and listeners.
The head of Riber.
River Bend Development is Corrin Capshaw.
His right-hand person, who I believe is the CEO or the president of River Bend development is Alan Taylor.
At one time before Alan Taylor became a development in Pizarro and a development kingpen,
he was the general manager of Positively 4th Street on the downtown mall.
He'll tell you that.
Corrin Capshaw owned Positively 4th Street.
Alan Taylor was his GM of this restaurant that failed.
but he cut his chops and built his relationship with corn running positively 4th Street
and now he's a king pen in central Virginia as the head honcho of Riverbun.
But I remember Alan Taylor when he was trying to figure out how to sell $11 cocktails at Positively 4th Street.
Kershaber made the program better.
A bunch of supervisors and counselors watching the program.
We got a delegate and a state senator watching this.
the program.
Next topic on the program.
Should we go an hour and 47 minutes on today show?
At least.
We got a...
We're an hour and seven minutes.
I just have to go ten more.
We've got to one-up the president.
Next up, we've got the...
Who's euthanizing the Wolfpack?
Did you guys watch the game last night?
Why don't we give some love to Jerry Rackleff.com?
We'll make an announcement on Jerry Rackleft.com.
and what our firm is trying to do to drive market share for Jerry Rackleff and Jerry Racklep.com, maybe later today or tomorrow.
Big news coming up for Jerry Rackleff, the Virginia Sports Hall of Famer.
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There we go.
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Support this man.
Support this man.
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This comes in through anonymous sources.
The dairy market appears to be cursed.
It's hard to argue against.
This individual says also bring back old school McGregory's Irish pub, Scott Roth, please.
Dairy market.
It's just, it's too expensive to rent one of those stalls.
And it's entirely too seasonal.
And one of the things that's extremely unfortunate about dairy market,
I'm just going to cut straight to the chase here.
A lot of people aren't talking about this.
The businesses that are failing at dairy market,
an extremely large majority are minority-owned businesses.
Look at it.
The businesses that are failing at dairy market
are in very large majority,
minority-owned businesses that are losing a lot of,
of money.
That's sad.
No doubt.
Because there's not that many minority-owned businesses in Charlottesville.
They're testing the water there as not working.
I'm not going to say this.
It's not my news to say.
I've teased this on previous shows.
There's some closings on the near horizon that are pretty substantial.
I'll leave it at that.
In regards to the Miami game, the NC State game,
that was the most dominant
I've ever seen UVA play
under Ryan Odom.
And now they got number one Duke on the docket on Saturday
at 12 o'clock high nude in Durham,
Cameron Indoor Stadium.
If Virginia plays like it did against Ensi State,
it could win this contest.
Now, if you looked at what Duke did against Notre Dame,
they beat the fighting Irish by like 46 points last night.
Duke has got a top three draft pick
and the Boozer kid.
in the NBA draft. He's just a freshman, like legitimately a freshman,
where Derritter's a freshman on paper, but he's 23 years old. This boosier kid is 18.
You're going to see an 18-year-old go toe-to-to-to with a professional basketball player
that's 23 and Derritter. And the 18-year-old's going to be able to hold his own.
Virginia's going to have to win this game on three-point shooting and on depth,
and either Jacari White or Chance Mallory or maybe both are going to have to
go off to complement
to Ritter's scoring, and then
Grunlow and Yugo are going to have to
bring a block party
to Cameron.
Because it's going to be a physical game with boozer inside.
Regardless, you're
looking at a Virginia basketball team. This is
important to emphasize from an economy
standpoint. I cannot tell
you how many
Virginia, how many Charlottesville,
Elmorrow County, and Central Virginia
businesses have told me that
a successful football season has kept their business open.
And I can't tell you how many of these same people who said football season are the only reason
why our lights are still on are now saying basketball season is the only reason our lights
are still on.
Now, some would say in this Darwinistic world that we live in, some would say that anomalies or
independent variables like football teams that win the most games in.
in one season in program history are basketball teams under a first year head coach that are top 11 in the nation and could be top seven if they beat duke those should not be driving forces for for economic trends that all they're doing is is is propping up businesses that are struggling like we did during the pandemic with p p pp with cheap interest rates and with all the other free money
you know how many people that are clients of ours we've been in business for 18 years in may
at the end of may may 29th you know how many clients of ours are are in business for longer than
that 18 year period of us probably half our client roster because we're extremely fortunate to
work alongside them the interstate family is a perfect example the remaining 50% have been in business
less than us.
And the 50% that have been in business the longest
over that 18-year benchmark,
longer than us,
have said that propping up businesses with PPP,
with cheap money tied to cheap interest rates
or the independent variables of basketball and football programs,
all it does is hurt the businesses that legitimately are viable
and have foundational principles in place
that have allowed them to have.
generational existences.
That's the deep, dark side.
I had this conversation with a really, really, really, really good friend.
Really, really, really good friend.
He's like, I need to go in a business for myself.
I'm tired of what I'm doing.
I said, you've got to be careful.
You got retirement matching account.
You got health insurance.
You may hate your job.
It may severely be.
underpaid, you are extremely unhappy, but going into business for yourself is a fight for a knife in the mud
every day. That's what entrepreneurship is, a fight for a knife in the mud every day. And if you can't
wake up every morning and look at yourself in the mirror and say, I am going to do whatever it takes to
fight for that knife in the mud, and I will win five days out of seven and get that knife,
do not do this.
He looked at me and he's like, and the folks that are watching this program that are self-employed
know exactly what I'm talking about.
Give some love to Stanley Martin.
Stanley Martin builds a fantastic product, Judah.
Give Stanley Martin some love.
Gosh, is one of the best salesmen I've ever met?
Gunner Cook still watching the program?
Gunner Cook is a hell of a baseball player,
is a hell of a basketball player,
is one of the best salesmen I've ever met.
Go find yourself a model home with Stanley Martin.
Go say hi to Gunner Cook.
Jimmy Evers.
Stanley Martin is dedicated to building homes
that cater to each person's unique needs and lifestyles.
High quality single family homes, townhomes,
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Gunner Cook and Jimmy Evers.
We need to get photos of Gunner Cook and Jimmy Evers
in the Stanley Martin branding.
Give those boys some love.
Anything you want to add to the program?
We got Philip Reese on the show tomorrow, J. Dobs.
Oh, that's going to be great.
The chair of the Almaro County, or excuse me,
the chairman of the Almaro County Republican Committee,
he is now, he has the dubious distinction
of revitalizing the Republican Party in Almaro
that is on the operating room table in the emergency room,
and the paddles are not working.
They're doing clear, clear, clear, flatline,
and now they're calling in surgeon Phil Reese to come in
to see if he can figure out another way to go from flatline to heartbeat.
The last victory for an Admiral County Republican,
whom, Judah, would have been?
Whom what?
Who is the last Almore County Republican to make it to victory lane?
Oh, oh.
The name's right on the tip of my tongue, but I don't think I'm going to pull it out.
Ken Boyd.
Ryo District.
Emerald County Board of Supervisors a generation ago.
Scott Smith ran a Republican as a Republican in the Jack Jewett District.
My district, I actually saw Fred Missile yesterday.
and Scott Smith
he got the brakes beat off him
and just like that
the I Love Seville show has been live
for one hour in 48 minutes
we did it
one hour and 48 minutes
do we want to talk about the publicly traded
Barracks Road updates
oh yeah we should put that on screen
let's give 60 to 90 seconds on that
federal realty is a publicly traded company
look at what they're doing with Barracks Road Shopping Center.
You get the photos on screen?
Just about...
Take a look at the screen.
Take a look at the screen.
Take a look at the screen.
I think it looks gorgeous.
Does look nice.
Federal Realty, the price per square foot to lease
the highest spot in the city of Charlottesville
is Barracks Road and it's not close.
And federal realty takes a percentage.
It's percentage rent where they're taking a cut
of your top line revenue.
But I'm going to tell you right now,
federal rility,
these coordinated improvements
that will modernize exterior finishes,
landscaping, and shared spaces
to elevate the experience
while reinforcing the distinctive character
of Barracks Road Shopping Center,
they are gorgeous.
The exterior work began last fall
with a new paint color palette
and refined scheme of blues,
grays, and Jeffersonian whites.
Look at what they're doing.
Did you get,
there's a handful of photos in that carousel of picks.
Did you get the handful of photos or just...
I just got the picture at the top
and the picture in the middle.
The one in the middle was a carousel.
Okay.
Maybe we can show it tomorrow.
So there's about a dozen photos
that we could have showed that were sent to us.
Maybe we can give the photos on screen
to federal royalty tomorrow.
So we got two things on the
on the knockout list
for the I Love Seville show tomorrow.
please kind sir
Jimmy and Gunner Picks
and the Stanley Martin
branding and the additional
photos from this carousel
that we can showcase tomorrow on the show
two programming notes
before we get out of here we're now
an hour and 20 minutes in
Donald Trump's got nothing on us
Phil Reese on the program
tomorrow
we're launching a new talk show on the
I Love Seville Network
that's going to air, did we say on Wednesday or Thursday, J-Dubs?
I believe it was next Wednesday.
Next Wednesday, there's a new Q&A talk show, an interview talk show on the show.
It's going to debut next Wednesday morning.
The I Love Seville Network is, we are, the metrics are, we are booming, like booming people.
It's a water cooler content and conversation.
He's Judah Wickauer.
My name is Jerry Miller.
Thank you for joining us.
