The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - UVA Faculty Hosts Their Own Town Hall; Faculty Peppers Jim Ryan, Admins With Questions

Episode Date: May 10, 2024

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Good Friday afternoon, guys. I'm Jerry Miller. Thank you kindly for joining us on the I Love Seville show. It's great to connect with you through the I Love Seville Network show today presented by Otto Turkish Street Food on Water Street. You have to try the place. It's fantastic. Food made fresh every day, priced reasonably. Food that will get you coming back and talking about it. We certainly are firsthand. Judah adores this place. Did you bring your parents to Otto Turkish Street Food? I wasn't able to last week. They went out of town. So when they they come back we're definitely going fantastic owned locally by two guys

that are kind and considerate and really looking to call Charlottesville their home long term auto Turkish street food guys today's show is loaded with information Jim Ryan and the Crossfire on grounds yesterday

can you imagine coming out of a meeting a meeting with a student group a meeting with a student group with just a couple of students planned to be in attendance and then the students walk out of the meeting, a meeting that's been on the schedule for a long period of time and as he walks out of the meeting he is in front of 30, 40, 50 students with their hands

painted red and held in the air, the metaphor of you have blood on your hands, and then start chanting commentary about Jim Ryan with his name in the chants. That happened yesterday on grounds. To the point where the Daily Progress covered this event. The Daily Progress, I'll talk about the paper of record here in a matter of moments and how they've covered this entire pro-Palestine protest on grounds. But the Daily Progress describes Jim Ryan and his underlings in his cabinet walking away from the blood on your hands protesters as they're chanting Jim Ryan's name, as if President Ryan is leaving a back alley street fight with his tail between his legs. A lot we're going to cover on today's program, ladies and gentlemen, including

how this could impact graduation, which is now a week and change away. Graduation that sees folks, I mean, the most important weekend in Charlottesville from an economic stimulus, economic impact standpoint, a weekend that will forever be remembered for those that are walking the lawn, a weekend that will hopefully be the sweet to the bitter of four years ago, the students who are graduating from the University of Virginia a week from, a week and change from today are the ones that had their graduation canceled during COVID and the pandemic. So we're going to do some crystal ball predictions of what we think is going to happen with graduation weekend on today's program. We're going to also talk on today's show about faculty having its own town hall yesterday on grounds. Faculty members, non-tenured faculty members on grounds

having their own town hall, and straight up calling out their bosses in the administration despite not having tenure protection. That topic on today's program. We'll talk Tacos Gomez recovering from a food truck fire. Teacher Appreciation Week is over today. The question, who impacted your life? I'm going to offer some perspective from my personal

life where I'm going to highlight maybe someone like Mr. Ed Gillespie. And then I'm going to highlight a teacher that has had a fantastic impact on our oldest son's life, our son in kindergarten. He has about a week left, five, I think it's six days left of school left. A lot we're going to cover on today's program, including Judah. I'm going to weave you in here on a two-shot, so get ready for you to spotlight next week the lineup for next week. It's pretty fantastic. Let's welcome Judah Wittkauer on a two-shot. Viewers and listeners, like the show, share the show, help us shape the discussion.

Mr. DL, welcome to the broadcast. We love when you watch the program, Mr. DL. Set the table for next week's lineup. I mean, and they're pretty spectacular. We've got a presidential candidate. What kind of candidate? Presidential candidate. Presidential as in the local chamber of commerce?

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, a little bigger than that. It's the United States president. This is a Libertarian Party candidate, not the Libertarian Party candidate, but a candidate. I'm very interested to hear what he has to say. We also have the renowned doctor,

Dr. Shabe. Dr. John Shabe, the owner of ProRenata. To break some news about ProRenata's expansion into the Shenandoah Valley, he'll join us on Tuesday. The Disneyland of Crozet is growing, and it's growing very quickly. Yeah, that's great news. And we have the author of the book that was sent to you recently, Schooled.

And this is Kurt R. Johnson, a local Charlottesville resident and author. And I don't know if you've started the book yet. I haven't read it, but I'd be excited to read it after you're done. I started it last night. It's a quick read. Yeah. Kurt R. Johnson in the house, in studio, the author, who is writing about his perspective as a teacher at Charlottesville High School.

Yeah. During one of the most difficult and trying times of perhaps Charlottesville High School's history. No doubt. And whether or not he goes back in the classroom, he also makes mention of a school board race that captivated the nation, Alison Spillman and Dr. Meg Bryce. Yeah. He's going to be

in the House on Wednesday. Monday and Tuesday, Wednesday show of next week, do not miss them with the 12.30 start. I think the commentary and the content we've provided on this network and on this show of late has been fantastic.

We strive to do that every day. I think we need to talk, if you want to put the first, lower third on screen and just, you know, focus on the show here, J-Dubs, we need to go with a headline that is not going away for UVA. Set the stage for the first headline, my friend. Well, as many of us were disappointed or hoping for something more than what we got from the UVA presidential town hall, where the answers, the questions were curated and the answers were unsatisfactory. I called it a dubious PR stunt and it's looking more and more like a dubious PR stunt is a kind

way of describing what happened. Well, I mean, a PR stunt is, you know, generally for PR purposes. And it seems like if that was their, that was their... PR stunts can backfire. This one definitely did. This one has not only backfired, some would say it's been engulfed in flames. Yeah. So there are UVA faculty that were just as disappointed, just as unsatisfied with the answers given at the town hall. The digital town hall, Jim Ryan's town hall.

And decided to hold their own town hall. These are faculty members that are non-tenured, that do not have job security. Yeah. Bill McChesney continues to bring up a water bottle incident with a camera person on Saturday. I don't know what you want me to say about this bill. Yeah.

Mike, what do you... He continues to post this in the comments section. What do you want me to say about this bill? I understand it as an inciting incident, but I don't think that it... I don't think that it required

the kind of response that the police gave. Definitely not. Definitely did not. A water ball beating toss in the air that hits a cameraman who is not tied to the protest does not elicit pepper spraying and a militant show of force. Even if it hit one of the cops. Police officers, please. This does not, this, yeah, I don't know why this is continuing to come on the feed.

And I appreciate his comments, and I'm now responding so we can move on. The faculty in the town hall, the actual town hall, the in-person town hall, they asked the questions we asked on this talk show. Did you see? I've got them highlighted. So Judah's going to read from the progress here, and I want to give a moment to salute Reynolds Hutchison, the editor of the Daily Progress, and his reporters, who are doing a fantastic job covering

a fantastic job covering these events. I have held the progress accountable in months or years past and have asked about its future, if Reynolds Hutchinson and his multi-award winning, Virginia Press Award winning editorial staff continue to churn and produce copy and coverage

like we're seeing of the pro-Palestine protests on grounds at UVA, your readership and your subscriber base will increase and the advertising revenue will follow you should be saluted I hope that gets back to him the questions from the in-person town hall with faculty at the University of Virginia

let's ask those questions and then you can replay the tape or look at the show earlier in the week. These were the exact questions, almost verbatim, we were asking on this talk show earlier in this week. Judah, those questions, please. These are from non-tenured professors that risk potentially losing their job. Normally, when you have this kind of outspoken commentary

or this straightforwardness. It comes from tenured professors. These are associate and assistant professors here. Those questions from the town hall, please. So here are chief among the questions that the university has failed to address. Who were the four mysterious men in black? This is a question that you've been asking. Who UVA President Jim Ryan said joined the encampment Friday night near the University

Chapel and posed a threat to the safety of the community? And again, as you've been asking, if they wore masks and helmets, as Ryan said, how did university police identify these individuals as known to law enforcement? Bingo. And how would university police be identifying them anyways? Where were UVA's on-site medical personnel who UVA police chief Tim Longo claimed treated everyone who had been exposed to pepper spray. And I think this leads into one of the big questions that the faculty were asking, which is why is President Jim Ryan lying on

a digital town hall? I'll push back on that. Here's how I'll push back. a digital town hall. I'll push back on that. Here's how I'll push back. Is he lying or is he misinformed? And which is worse? Yeah, that was what I was going to say. It could be that he's misinformed, but he's the president of UVA. He's going into a town hall

with less than accurate information, that's somewhat damning, if not... Yeah, it's definitely a suspect and also somewhat damning. Well said. Well said. You know what would have solved that issue? What would have prevented this misinformation

potentially from happening if he, in fact, is misinformed? If he was on site during the protests, as opposed to an off-site command room, a.k.a. bunker, where he's not on the front lines of a critically important event that's happening at his school. No doubt. And the last question, which I've... We've both talked about. What are UVA's official rules on erecting recreational tents

on grounds? Question I had. And why were guidelines referring to those rules changed hours before police broke up the protest encampment on Saturday? There it is. I think that one's less important. I completely disagree. I completely disagree.

As I've said, if they've been told for days on end not to erect tents, it doesn't matter what the rules for the school are. I don't agree with that. We can respectfully agree to disagree on that. I know. We can respectfully agree to disagree on that. I know. We can respectfully agree to disagree. Yeah.

If you're told by someone outside the studio that is law enforcement that you cannot go 25 miles an hour in a 25 mile an hour zone, are you not going to question that? So you would be fine with the Market Street Park being completely covered by tents during allowable hours? I don't see how that's...

Help me go with where you're thinking here. Well, the reason why... The reason that the tents were allowed at market street park is because sam sanders allowed them to be in the park he changed the rules right but the rules only state that you have to be out of the park by curfew i believe it's 11 it's 11 o'clock until like maybe seven in the morning i think that's probably right the point point being? I'm trying to, please help me understand the point. The point is, would you be fine with, would you be fine with the tent being covered, the park being covered with tents? I'd have an issue with that.

So would I. But the rules say you can't have tents in the park. The rules say you can't have tents in the park after a certain? No. The rules say you can't have tents in the park after a certain time. No. The rules say you can't have tents in the park now. At any time? Yeah. Okay. Clearly the rules say you can't have tents in the park.

It says you cannot have tents in the park. Where does it say this? You can find it online. The UVA rules, whether a mistake or whether absent-mindedness or whether a slip of judgment, the UVA rules said you could have had tents for recreational purposes, I believe the language was. So the rules said you could have had tents. And then the folks that were posting tents next to the chapel on grounds could have also made reference to the tents utilized during UVA tailgates, the tent next to the sand volleyball court, saying, hey, we're doing the same thing.

And I still say if the police have asked them not to erect tents. We'll agree to disagree on this. And for the sake of the talk show, we're not going to go down this rabbit hole again. I think you and I are in disagreement on this. The folks in the faculty town hall seem to sit on my side of the fence here. Well, they're asking the question, and everybody keeps asking the question. The folks at the faculty town hall are straight up saying, you changed the rules on us. Yeah.

Okay, and they're saying that's not right, which is exactly what I'm saying. And I understand that, but the police had been asking them not to erect tents for the entire week. We're going down the rabbit hole again. We have laws that cannot... Okay. You get somebody that comes up to you that says, the speed limit right now is not 25, it's 10 miles an hour and you better go 10 miles an hour. You're not going to have a problem with that? That's the same thing.

Not really. Was there a good reason for asking for it? We're not going to go down this rabbit hole. I'm not going down the rabbit hole. Okay. My point is this. The people that were on the front lines of the protest are straight up asking, why was the rules changed with the tents, which is what I'm saying. Yeah.

Okay. I have a couple of takeaways as we're rotating the lower thirds that fit this topic. Here are the takeaways I have, J-dubs, and I want viewers and listeners to offer their thoughts. I respect the faculty that had an in-person town hall

and ask straightforward questions in what is a traditional town hall setting. What they did was an actual town hall and ask straightforward questions and what is a traditional town hall setting. What they did was an actual town hall. What we saw on Monday or Tuesday, I think it was Tuesday, the digital town hall was a PR stunt that has backfired. Media circus. Media circus is a great description that has backfired and imploded and furthered and further fueled this situation. Whoever came up with that strategy, it failed miserably. The one that's the most concerning for me was the four outside agitators, air quotes around agitators.

I asked the questions in the beginning of the week. If they're in disguise or have their faces covered, how do you know that these are troublemakers from other events that could elicit violence? How did you know that these are troublemakers from other events that could elicit violence? How did you ID them? Was there facial recognition software? Was there mug shots utilized? Was it the good old memory bank that helped ID these people? Their identities perhaps should be released because this vague description is only adding fuel to the fire. And when you have a fire that's already stoked,

the last thing you need is more fuel around the camp. You don't store the kindling and the gasoline next to the campfire. And that's what the University of Virginia is doing right now. And the kindling is piss-poor communication. The gasoline are softball questions that were curated and vetted to make those on the virtual town hall look prepared. And the Zippo lighter fluid is these four outside agitators that no one knows about and frankly even believes were there.

Interesting thing. There must be something going on at the courthouses here in Almaral County. Because there are a number, and this is for the second time this week, Interesting thing. There must be something going on at the courthouses here in Almaro County. Because there are a number, and this is for the second time this week, a number of protesters right now outside the courthouse protesting. I think Judah Wickhauer has some visuals he can put on screen from the lens of Judah Wickhauer, the camera of Judah Wickhauer. And I want you to describe what happened to you. Philip Dow, I 100% agree with what Philip Dow said. Philip Dow, who's a key member of the I Love Siebel family, we can get Philip Dow's photo on screen. I made this comment earlier in the week as well. Philip Dow in Scottsville, Virginia, 14 in the family. He says, Jim Ryan should have been

on the front line talking to the crowd. The outcome would have been different. 1,000% agree with Philip Dow. Jim Ryan should have been there. Former President Shannon was on site of protests following the Kent State fiasco. When UVA protested Vietnam and post-Kent State fiasco on grounds, UVA's president at the time, Shannon, the namesake of now Alderman Library, was on grounds talking to students eyeball to eyeball. He was not off-site protected in a hidden bunker, a nondescript bunker or command room. This isn't the President of the United States surrounded by the generals and the heads of all the military branches

underground for protection or hiding on Air Force One. This is the University of Virginia in Charlottesville. And when it comes to graduation, what's happened from Saturday until now further fuels my crystal ball or further offers clarity for my crystal ball that graduation is certainly going to be interrupted. Oh, definitely.

Let us know when those photos are up, and then I want your firsthand anecdotal of what happened to you when you were taking these pictures outside Albemarle County Courthouse. All right, I've got the first few in. Let's see, here is the first one. As I was curious as to what was going on, I started to get a little closer, pulled out my phone, took a picture. Here is the second photo. Getting a little better shot at the scope of the people waiting outside the courthouse.

How many people were out there? I mean, I couldn't count. There were, I would guess, just at a quick glance, 40 or 50. Okay. Then came around to the side, got a different view, and I started to notice some people up the stairs who were all holding their arms up in the air. And some of them had objects in their hands. I was a little curious as to what was going on with that and eventually found out. I don't have a really good picture,

but you can see in this next picture that a few of these people are giving me the eye. And apparently they weren't very happy with me taking photos, I guess. None of them were at all... Hostile. Hostile, confrontational, but it was... They created a human barricade and utilized... I didn't realize at first what they were doing, but eight or ten people...

Self-awareness. Well, they're walking in my direction. Eight or ten protesters are walking beeline straight to you. They're not walking straight at me. There was about, I don't know, 20 or 30 feet between me and the crowd. Okay. You got pretty close. They walked about 10 feet out from the crowd.

They see Judah with his iPhone taking photos of them. He's down on one knee snapping pics like this with a light with a camera i'm just i'm okay go ahead that's not how it went i just snapped some pictures i'm looking around i'm curious and you know like i said they didn't make a beeline they weren't staring me down or anything but they walk about 10 feet out then they all turn their backs on me and put their hands in the air and some of them had like shirts or you know square pieces of cloth and i was like i wonder first i'm just like i wonder what they're doing what are they doing and then i and i'm like are they trying to block me from taking pictures i

mean like i i've already taken five or six pictures and and i just put my phone back in my pocket so i'm like what are they doing they doing? And then one of them turns their head and is glaring at me and I'm like, are they mad at me for taking pictures? Like, come on. This is 2024. Who doesn't have an automatic photo taker in their pocket at all times and how could these people expect no one to take photos of what's going on it was very curious and uh and so i just continued to

stand there for another minute with my phone in my pocket like looking at them when they turn around like is all this for me judah i saw this for me. Joe, stand up and show everybody what you're wearing right now. I thought it was the bounty man. It's the brawny man. Is that right? Yeah, it's the brawny guy. Judah's the brawny paper towel spokesman

and ambassador. Mind you, it is May 10th and my friend is wearing a flannel red shirt and an undersleeve long shirt no can you stand up cross your arms and go I mean they're not gonna there we go is that you could do it with the studio camera over here okay you don't have to if you don't want to I think it's great we basically have the brawny man, sans lumberjack axe. He forgot his axe today. God, could you imagine if you had gone there

with an axe in your hands? There's the brawny man. What's the brawny man do? I'm going to have to cut my axe over my shoulder. You guys don't disperse. I'm going to have to start cutting some of you down. And then I'm going to wipe up your blood with paper towels. It's May 10th and he's wearing flannel with a long-sleeved shirt and jeans.

I respect that. I looked at the forecast before I left the house and I thought, you know, I don't think I need a sweater. Truly the odd couple. Studio camera? It's still on there. I got a short sleeve rowback shirt on and shorts with a high, with a short inseam here.

A high inseam. I'm just, I'm just glad they're not jorts. I don't wear jorts. No jorts for Jerry. No jorts for Jerry. Deep throat.

We're going to get to your comments here. Stacy Baker Patty. She says, I thought it was a virtual town hall. Stacy Baker Patty, there's been says, I thought it was a virtual town hall. Stacey Baker-Patty, there's been two town halls.

There is a town hall, number one was Tuesday, and it was done via Zoom. There's Lloyd Snookin shorts in a short-sleeved shirt. Did you get them? No. The former mayor is wearing

a white short sleeve polo and blue shorts and some loafers we should ask him to walk by the studio again he's very casual right there, he's looking sharp Mayor Greenbrier over there yeah, Stacey Baker-Patty

the digital there was one that was done via Zoom it was kind of a circus the digital, there was one that was done via Zoom. It was kind of a circus. It was a circus. And then there was another one that had a Zoom component but was also in person. So we've had two town halls this week. One a real town hall hosted by

associate and assistant professors. Which I find courageous. Courageous. Vanessa Parkhill says this, get her photo on screen. I was under the impression that was coming from the school, maybe I was mistaken, was it police or UVA administration who first requested tents not be erected? The first impression for me was the school. I mean, frankly, the first impression for me was the school. I mean, frankly, the first impression I think was the governor who said we're not going to have encampments on grounds.

The governor made that statement to Bloomberg. We're not going to have encampments on grounds. Deep Throat agrees with Judah about the tents and the changing policy. He said, Ryan addressed this in the town hall. He argued convincingly that this was always against the rules, but they changed the wording to be absolutely clear. He said that was maybe a mistake or a bad look.

And that's the pushback I'm going to offer this. I'm going to say this, okay? Ryan brought up the tents and the town hall. And Judah and Deep Throat are in agreement when it comes to the tents, about being a technicality. But even the president who's been in the crossfire, and we're about to tell you about a blood on your hands protest type crossfire, he even said, Judah Wickower, this, the tents could have been handled way better. We mismanaged the handling of the tense. He said that.

Yeah, no doubt. And we don't know who changed the wording. I don't think that was authorized. I think somebody saw that there was a discrepancy and took it upon themselves to make the change. You are bananas if you don't think that made it across Jim Ryan's desk or Jim Ryan's purview.

You are bananas if you don't think Jim Ryan authorized the changing of the wording bananas if you don't think Jim Ryan authorized the changing of the wording online. I'm not speculating. I'm using his own words from the town hall. You can call him a liar if you want, but by his own admission, it was

not well done and it wasn't authorized. You can call me wrong. You have a president that is in a command center trying to manage a protest that needed the state police and pepper spray and militant Red Rover playing. And you're telling me one of the key issues,

tents and a policy online, did not cross his desk or did not touch his fingertips. No, that's not what I said. I'm saying that the person that made the change was not authorized. That could be... I find that incredibly far-fetched. Okay. Agree to disagree on that one.

You're not disagreeing with me. I'm just relaying what he said in the town hall. What does your instinct say? My instinct saying that in this case, with all of the mess around what's been going on, it appears like there is not a lot of good communication going on anywhere with any of these people. That's fair. Does your instinct say Ryan authorized the change of the language online? You're a common sense man. I've got to say with all the teachers, the faculty pointing out some of the lies

that have been told, some of the lies told on the town hall, that's a tough one. I honestly don't know. For the sake of a talk show know for the sake of a talk show for the sake of the talk show I'm going to say I don't think he did it what?

I have to respect your stance on it I find that far fetched but I respect your stance and thank you for giving your opinion for the sake of a talk show Deep Throat says I agree however that Ryan's town hall was not successful in its aims try to play the middle

defend yourself aggressively apologize subjectively but don't dance he tried to play the middle but instead he should have defend yourself aggressively, apologize subjectively, but don't dance. He tried to play the middle, but instead he should have defended yourself aggressively, apologize, but don't dance. Ryan, dude, I genuinely like the president of the university. We have been told that over the last couple of weeks, he and his cabinet are streaming the content on this show. So if he happens to be streaming this show, I want him to hear, I genuinely like the man because he is approachable. He is likable in

the branding world. He knows how to localize, humanize, and personalize himself. This running around town and come run with me is brilliant. It's akin to Chief Katchus and the walk and talks in neighborhoods that have violent tendencies. It's genius what he's done. Running for the Children's Hospital in the Boston Marathon, genius. Jumping in the swimming pool when the swimming and diving team, Chief, the Mayor, Counselor Snook, get him on the market street cam. Do you see him?

Did you get him? Got it. Oh. Did you get him? He's doing a little turn for us. He's turning? He's going to jog. Did you get him?

He's off in the sunlight now. I might be able to turn that down a little bit. You got him? If I can, yeah, hold on. Counselor Snook in shorts. I've never seen that before. Friend of the program. He's wearing shorts.

Yeah. Maybe he's going on vacation. We owe 25 jumping jacks for local luminary Counsel Snook, walking by in a white Polo. Scott Goodman, defense attorney, just walked by. Okay. Scott Goodman, a legend. Was that the guy with the ponytail? Scott Goodman, no.

It's not Scott Goodman with the ponytail. That's hilarious. Scott Goodman just walked by, a defense attorney legend in this community. That means we have 20 jumping jacks we have to do. I'm going to call Scott Goodman a local luminary. Alright. Ryan is losing

the goodwill and equity he has banked. And every day this goes by, he loses more goodwill and equity. And as John Blair has pointed out on previous shows, this is going to be a tough summer for the president as Youngkin has more appointments to the Board of Visitors. The Youngkin appointees do not identify with Ryan. I'll take that back.

The Yunkin appointees do not identify with the University of Virginia as it stands today. Yeah. I doubt they would identify with very many universities or college institutions as they stand today. Fair. Fair. And Youngkin is strategically appointing folks on the board

that are synonymous with razor blade Burt Ellis' ideology. Is this the early stages of a coup or uprising to oust the $1 million plus compensated Jim Ryan from the president's office and from Carr's Hill? Fascinating. Yesterday on grounds, three or four dozen students surprised, shocked, and stunned Jim Ryan as he was leaving an office meeting. I think he was going into an office meeting. He, from what I, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, he had a meeting with students, a student group that had tried for months to get a meeting with him. But that's the thing. They tricked him. They tricked him. He went into the meeting and it was the that's the thing. They tricked him. They tricked him.

He went into the meeting, and it was the students that he was supposed to meet with. And then they walked out. Exactly. So he went into the meeting. Yeah. And then he walked out and said, what the hell's going on?

They said, no, they walked out and said, the meeting is out here. Right. And they walked out, and he and I think two other people came walking out to find a group of students all with their hands colored red. Their hands in the air painted red, synonymous for? Dude! Straightforward.

Say it. Caught red-handed or blood on your hands. I didn't think of the caught red-handed. I didn't think of the caught red-handed. There's another angle to this. You could be right about the caught red-handed. My take is blood on your hands. I didn't think of the call red-handed. But there's another angle to this. You could be right about the call red-handed. My take is blood on your hands. That's the thing. It's got multiple meanings.

And one of them is rather disturbing. Neil Williamson. Go ahead. Neil Williamson go ahead I gotta find it just so I make sure I don't get it right there was a there was a Ramallah lynching

in 2000, 24 years ago during the second intifada of the violent uprising and premiered before celebrities wore red-hand pins at the Oscars this year. So, while they may not have intended that connection, some people who still remember those things may have taken it that way. And it may come across as, I don't know, not necessarily insensitive. I don't think anyone's going to accuse college students protesting on campuses as being sensitive to anyone. But there are multiple meanings behind the red hands, whether they desired them to be taken that way or not. Philip Dowell in Scottsville says, you do not, you do not change rules during any event.

You look at the rules and you change them after the fact. A thousand percent agree with you. A thousand percent. Because when you change the rules, it becomes a topic of conversation. So Ryan leaves a meeting, a meeting that students, a student group tried, was efforting for months. The student group gets Ryan and his cabinet into the room, into the meeting room. Once he's in the meeting room, the student group tricks the president, surprises, shocks, stuns as Ryan exits the meeting. And upon exiting the meeting, he is met by three or four dozen students with their hands painted red, blood on your hands,

caught red-handed, or the third option as Judah just described. Jim Ryan, there's a photo in the Daily Progress about this. Did you see the photo? I've got the article open. He looks absolutely floored in this photo. He was expecting a meeting and he saw a ghost. And he got something else. And I mean, what are you going to do? It's not like he can, it's not like, it's not like there was a dialogue going on. So he's kind of stuck there as a, what do you call it?

A social voyeur, as a shocked onlooker? As someone who realizes that you know what is going to hit the fan? The students then began chanting what? Well, first they read him something that they had written about what they wanted the meeting to be about. But I think from what I read, the main portion, the people that were supposed to meet with him realized that he wasn't going to have an honest discussion with them. And so as...

What do they chant? Let's see. Well, I know one of the things they did was, uh, called him, they've been calling him genocide Jim. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, did you hear that? Did you hear that? The protest group was calling him genocide Jim. 60, 60 red hands. Well, what else did they chant? Uh, let's see. I'm looking for the exact quote. 35,000 dead, and you arrested kids instead. It was then that Ryan and Bonner

began to walk away, down the lawn in the direction of the rotunda. Behind him, the students stood in place, hands still raised, voices chanting in unison. Ryan, you can't hide. You're committing genocide. Which is a little absurd,

but come on. Like I said, they're not exactly the most sensitive bunch. And one of them said this was one way for us to show the administration that we're not willing to engage with them if these are the terms they're going to engage us on. Oh, my God. I just got a breaking news thing that came across our desk. Breaking news across the I Love Seville network.

Put a lower third on screen, Breaking News, colon, profs, P-R-O-F-S, may not issue grades. And I'm going to relay, thank you for sending this to me. I will not utilize your name. I will read verbatim what you sent to me. They're not allowed to? No. They may not issue grades in protest to how this was handled to students. You got that breaking news lower third on screen? This is breaking news here on the I Love Seville network that will become part of

the news cycle tomorrow. Ladies and gentlemen, it is worsening what is happening here. Do you have the lower third on screen? I do. Holy what is happening here. Do you have the lower third on screen? I do. Holy Can I say profanity? I promised my wife. Just use cadiddle hoppers.

What? Here's the breaking news. A UVA professor in marketing sent an email stating he may not be submitting final grades when they are due May 13th because of their displeasure

about what occurred on Saturday. This is the email the UVA professor sent. Holy patookus. Is patookus good? I don't think that's a word. What's the word you say? Tookus? Holy tookus. It just means butt. This is the email. This is insanity what is happening here. Well, if most of the professors at the university go along with that, then yeah, I would say. Is it just one professor right now? This is the email. There are live political issues

taking place around grounds. Judah, you can confirm it. It's in my Facebook messenger. Respect the anonymity of who sent it. I'm going to read the email straightforward. There are live political issues taking place around grounds. I don't mean to alarm you, but it is possible this could affect when I submit the course grades. I am sympathetic to UVA students who have protested on behalf of Palestinians.

Some professors are debating whether holding grades is a way to compel the university to resolve concerns about the recent police mistreatment of these students. If this issue is not resolved by Monday, I will email you again to share my thoughts. I understand that this would be a very serious move on my part and that it could affect you. If you are graduating, I may make a separate decision to allow you to graduate. Know that I would not consider doing that without a great amount of deliberation. I will consult with colleagues and monitor deliberations.

Speaking of history, we are living it now. I feel that student protests may be shaping President Biden's foreign policy. All right, I am working on getting the grading resolved for you. Hang in there. As a UVA professor, I have more intel on this that's coming across our desk right now. There is a dean that is responding to this saying that the dean is looking into professors potentially holding grades, holding grades hostage. This is grade issuing hostage. They're holding grades hostage. Jesus, if they don't issue grades,

what is the concept of a university? I mean... If grades are not issued, what is the concept of a university? I'm genuinely trying to process this on the fly. I literally was told this during the show. What the? I'm flabbergasted right now. That is nuts.

Holy shit. Holding great hostage? Yeah. Did it say what they hope to accomplish by that? Where's the company vehicle parked? Do you mean the one that I moved earlier today? Yeah. It's in front of Truist.

I got a 145, so I may be sprinting. Oh, my God, holding grades hostage. That is a conversation for your cocktail party, your dinner table, or your backyard gathering this weekend. No matter how you feel on these events, and I thought these events were handled as about as piss poor as you can get, impacting or affecting or hurting or taking grades away from students. That is absurd. Am I reading this wrong? Compel the university to resolve concerns about the... How do you resolve concerns about the recent police mistreatment of the students? This is crazy.

Holding grades hostage? Did you ever see that coming? I was going to ask you, what are the odds that graduation would be impacted by this? Well, they got a lot higher now. Yeah. How do you graduate if you don't have a grade or the credits to graduate? I may make a separate decision to allow you to graduate. What if they don't?

Ah, man. I mean, I... Imagine the parents that have paid in advance for the hotel rooms where you require a three-day block of rooms. You can't just take the hotel room for one day. They require a three-day commitment and you paying in advance. I mean, is there... The trips that have been planned for over a year. Is there precedent for the university to God, I wish they held my grades hostage.

What's the football term? Make a game time decision? No, no. What do you, like, go around someone? I don't know. Never mind. Bypass. Yeah. Something like that. Anyways. Go around someone. Avoid a tackle. No, no, no. Crossover dribble. Sidestep. No. Lateral move. Nevermind. Shimmy and a shake. It's like a do-sisi-do it's got end zone in the never mind Jude's not a sports fan no I'm not but you're guessing everything but visit pay dirt

holy I gotta go I have a 1.45pm I cannot believe they're holding grades hostage or considering it. What is a university with Endaround? Endaround? Neil Williamson? I don't know. I don't know.

A lateral? No. A reverse? Screen pass? Maybe. A pitch to the tailback? All right, no, Jerry. Okay.

Holy shit. Great hostage is blowing my mind right now. That's crazy. I can't even process this. I wish I had known this before the show started. That is breaking news for you right now on the I Love Seville show. That will be in the news cycle tomorrow, I assure you. And if grades are in fact held hostage, that makes the Washington Post.

That makes the New York Times. That makes not just the Daily Progress. That is in national papers. Has any other college or university held grades hostage that you know of? I haven't heard anything like that. And what is the exact, what is a college if it doesn't have grades? I would if one of my professors had held my grades in hostage at the University of Virginia

me in my particular case I think I would have been happy but I understand and I sympathize and empathize for those that have put in significant work that if they're not going to integrate, that's some bull tookus. Some bull baloney. Some bull butt. Some bull butt. I got to go. I can't. 145.

I got to stop scheduling 145s. This is the Friday edition of the I Love Seville show. That's fodder for your cocktail party. Ladies and gentlemen, so long. Thank you.