The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - UVA Named #3 Public University For Producing Leaders; Virginian-Pilot Questions Jim Ryan Obfuscation

Episode Date: November 21, 2025

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Welcome to the I Love Seville Show, guys. My name is Jerry Miller. Thank you kindly for joining us on a Friday. Last show of the week for the I Love Seville Network. It's been a good week. We are in the saddle. We are producing live content for your enjoyment next week. So have no fear.

The I Love Seville Show is here. It is Thanksgiving on the next day. near horizon. It will be at least a short week. We're not in the office on Thursday. TBD show schedule and programming Wednesday, but we will let you know. Certainly in the saddle on Monday and Tuesday and possibly Friday, ladies and gentlemen. A lot I want to cover on the water cooler of content and conversation, the I Love Seville Show. We have the University of Virginia in another national ranking. Time magazine has named the University of Virginia,

the number three public university for producing American leaders for the second consecutive year. The magazine said this about UVA. Their study examines a diverse group of 4,800 of the most influential figures shaping U.S. society today from policymakers and corporate executives,

to leading scientists, educators, and cultural innovators. And as a result, UVA has been ranked number three nationally in the public university category. University of California, Berkeley, number one, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, number two. UVA is the number 17 school overall out of 125 ranked institutions and the number one in the Commonwealth of Virginia by a landslide.

We'll unpack that prestige. bestowed upon the University of Virginia from Time magazine on today's show. We have a newspaper in Virginia Beach in Norfolk, the 757, the Virginian pilot, who is straight up calling out Jim Ryan. And it's a line I use often in my life, and I want you, the viewer, and listener, to embrace this line, and to use it in your lives as well. Well, ignorance is not an excuse.

If you don't get something done in your life, if you miss a deadline, if you don't do something correctly at work, if you don't do something correctly in your personal life, your love life, and your parenting life, and the reason for making the mistake is I did not know or I was not aware. I say often, and I fall victim to this as well from time to time, ignorance is not an excuse, ladies and gentlemen. We live in a time in America where we have more accessibility to answers and insight than any time in American history because of these phones that are in the palm of our hands. A phone that's more powerful than the first spaceship that went to the moon. the iPhone more powerful than the computer that went to the moon, ladies and gentlemen.

So for Jim Ryan to utilize I did not know or I'm uncertain, I wasn't sure how the game was played, I was left in the dark, the Virginian pilot is saying, yo, Jimbo, ignorance is not an excuse. you're an attorney, you're a lawyer, you're going to be teaching the next generation of law students at the University of Virginia law school, and for you to say on record that you were left in the dark, you didn't know how the game was played,

you were not sure the rules on the playing field, hey, that doesn't fly with us. And we'll unpack that today and the Virginian pilot coverage on the water cooler of content and conversation, the I Love Seville Show. We'll talk on today's program. Turkey prices are going down. Thanksgiving, feeding a family of 10. James Watson's watching the program. Word on the street, James Watson is you're hosting more than 10 people at your beautiful home. So good luck with that. We do have some good news. The cost for a Thanksgiving meal for 10 people is down versus 2024, marginally down. Marginally down, ladies and gentlemen. We'll unpack that story on today's show. We'll talk about our favorite Thanksgiving dishes on the program. We'll give a little piece of business information that's out there.

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is a Conan Owen special. We have 24 tenants in our rental portfolio. These 24 tenants have signage needs. Conan Owen and Surveedia, Central Virginia handle those signage needs. We work with other real estate owners and landlords throughout Charlottesville, Almore, and Central Virginia.

And we suggest business to those clients and vendors to use. and Conan Owen is at the top of mine, locally owned and operated at Sir Speedy of Central Virginia. He passed along to us before the program started that the old Spice Diva Spot Judah, this is in the main street market.

The Purple Building. The Spice Diva Judah went from that really tiny space years, years ago in that tiny space that was next to the parking lot to a much bigger space inside the purple building. Phyllis has since close the Spice Diva, and there's a new lease in play at the Spice Diva, ladies and gentlemen. And that new lease, lo and behold, is a coffee shop.

Give and take coffee and tea is taking the old Spice Diva location. We'll talk about that on today's show. And how about this feel-good story? Friends of Seaville, the downtown mall, the downtown Charlottesville, fantastic entity. led by a friend of the program, Greer Ackinbach, has come up with a fantastic idea. Now until January 11th, families walking on the downtown mall

might see tiny, hidden, unexpected visitors that are wedged and positioned in discreet fashion into stores and display windows. They are tiny elves, Judah. it's the fourth annual tiny elf seville scavenger hunt and if you'd like to participate in this tiny elf seville scavenger hunt you can pick up a north pole pass and go from business to business to find those sneaky little pesky fellows

it's almost that time of year for an elf to visit our house judah dash is on his way to the miller abode and dash every single morning likes to shift and crawl and move and shake to a different location around the Miller Christmas tree. My wife weeks ago, yes, weeks ago, my beloved wife, started hanging Christmas lights outside the Miller home and I've been instructed to bring my rusted

and dull hand saw, because on the days following Thanksgiving, I will be on soggy grass somewhere in Almaro County, sawing down with a rusted and dull hand saw, a 10 to 11 foot Christmas tree for our living room. So, giddy up and get ready. I love the tiny elf concept. And don't forget the University of Virginia is playing today at 5 o'clock against Northwestern.

at the Greenbrier Resort in a ballroom. First true test for Ryan Odomin and the Wahoos, who are 4-0. They play a Northwestern team that's also 4-0. Virginia's a 3.5-point favorite 5 o'clock tip on CBS Sports Network. Philip Dow, wonderful Christmas to you as well. A lot we're going to cover on the program. Tom Powell, welcome to the show.

If you're watching on any of the platforms, like and share the program, we work hard for you. That's the only thing we ask in return is that you like and share. share the show. Studio camera Judah Wickhauer, beloved member of this community, Judah Wickhauer. It's good to see you, my friend. Which headline, as

Ginny Who has retweeted our show, most intrigues you today and why? Well, I'm always intrigued by what's going on with the UVA insanity. It's

compelling. It's wild. It's he said, she said, sometimes hard to get a bead on what is what is true, what is false. These people

all have their own views of things, so it's, I don't think it's as simple as true, false, or one person lying and another person telling the truth. And it's just keeps going. Other than that, I do like Thanksgiving.

I'm already in my head planning some of the stuff that I'll make. It's usually a family process. Everybody pitches in, and I love it. My favorite Thanksgiving dish, what's yours?

I'll give you my. My favorite Thanksgiving dish, Favorite? I probably like some tender thigh meat, followed up with one of the legs. Are we talking about turkey here? What are we talking about here? Is this the turkey we're talking? My dad and I usually get on turkey legs. Tender thighs and some legs for Judah Woodcarrow. My favorite Thanksgiving dish, 10-year-old scotch followed by a cold IPA. Could not be counted as a dish?

That's my favorite Thanksgiving dish. All right, we should lead with the Virginia pilot story. Who, when, where, why? Then James Watson, your comments coming up here in a matter of moments. James Watson, I think, how many you hosted for Thanksgiving, James? 15, 16, 17? Are you correct in 20, James? Virginian Pilot, lower third on screen.

Virginia Pilot sparing no expense with Jimbo Ryan here. No, they're definitely not. Who, when, where, why, Judah, Woodhauer, as sickly as possible. The Virginia pilot with guest columnist Scott Douglas Gerber does a wonderful job of detailing some of the ins and outs and insanity

of what we've been talking about recently with UVA, former president Jim Ryan, current interim president Mahoney Abigail Spaner Berger, Glenn Yonkin. All the usual suspects.

Yeah. Rachel Sheridan, Porter Wilkinson. My favorite part of this is that he puts a lot of it in perspective in terms of timing. That was one of the tough things to figure out. We had all these people releasing letters like day after day, sometimes two in one day. he kind of gives a good layout for how that all came down. And he goes on to talk about some of the issues that the DOJ had with UVA,

specifically through Sheridan's letter, some of Ryan's responses, and goes on to talk about the laws, anti-discrimination laws and stuff like that, that Jim Ryan is seemingly, what, pushing aside or saying, uh, these are arguably, but not definitely illegal. And, uh, and he ends by, by giving his reasons for thinking that Ryan is obfuscating here. Seventh grade word. That's a SAT word. Put it as a seventh, put it as a seventh grade word.

Obfuscating, I think Seventh grade version would be hiding the truth. Yeah, there it is. Hiding the truth. Hiding the truth is a form of lie. Yeah. There's different ways you can lie. Omitting is a form of lie.

Lies of omission. Yeah. Lies of omission is a form of lie. Yeah. Not revealing everything is a form of lie. Yeah. Passing the buck on... If you're aware that that's what you're doing. Yeah. Wow. Ignorance is not an excuse.

You can't use that for every situation. Well, it works for most situations in life from what I found. Because there's always ways to figure out answers. Asking, reading, Googling, getting online. That's easy to say if you know you need an answer. Jim Ryan's a guy that seems pretty crafty and clever. And I'm disappointed in myself. I'm disappointed in myself.

I've been covering this story, soup to nuts. for most of the calendar year. Yeah. And most of the calendar year, in my analysis and commentary on the UVA C-suite fiasco, I should have led with Jim Ryan's a lawyer. Yeah. Jim Ryan's an attorney. He doesn't really need outside counsel, though it's helpful.

It's not like every lawyer is an encyclopedic, you know, carries the incisclopedia. knowledge of all law. This guy's got a law degree from the University of Virginia. Yeah. And he will be teaching law at the University of Virginia. He's got a BA from Yale University. He's going to be teaching some of the smartest kids in the world law at the University of Virginia. And for a man of his intellectual caliber, professional caliber, political savviness to, to,

to simmer, to linger, to kind of linger in the shadows of uncertainty, in the shadows of lying by omission, or utilizing, I just didn't know that was how it was played. I should have led with that the entire year. It should have been the first thing we said. Yeah. But you know what?

Interesting thing is, and James Watson makes this comment. Here's James Watson. He's a University of Virginia graduate. I first met James Watson when he was the bartender at orbit on the UVA corner before it was Boylan Heights. I think James, had you just finished UVA where you're doing grad school or were you just out of UVA? I was in undergrad at the time and I was sneaking into orbit with a fake New Jersey ID, that tall Tom and savvy shant. and Connecticut Dave and I made and Dabney 101,

old dorms. We got a laminator and some glossy paper and some hologram paint. And I was from, I think it was from Morristown, New Jersey. A walk in there, James is ten and bar. Get to talking about sports

and it's been a friend of mine for 20 plus years. He bleeds orange and blue just like I do. He says most people don't really care about what's going on with the C-suite drama at UVA. UVA received 65,000 applications last year, 65,000. It's really a pretty dope educational opportunity when you think about its great grounds, the cool town, and every single Division I-A sport is in the top 20. One of my favorite teams at the University of Virginia is the men's squash team. they are ranked number four

in the entire nation Virginia men squash is ranked number four in the entire nation and this weekend they play the University of Pennsylvania the rating national champion and the top ranked team in the country and they have as good an opportunity

of winning this match as any time in history this past weekend ladies and gentlemen they beat the previous number four team in the country Yale, 6-3 and New Haven, Connecticut. We have an abundance of riches at the University of Virginia. Quality of life,

co-eds, beautiful co-eds, some of the most beautiful co-eds you will ever see at the University of Virginia. Goodness gracious, just jaw-dropping beauty. Fraternity life, sorority life, Greek life, and abundance of riches with athletics. I mean, put the lower third on screen.

UVA is now ranked for the second consecutive year, the number three public university for producing American leaders, according to Time Magazine. Time Magazine bestows on upon UVA that this institution is number three nationally behind University of California, Berkeley, and the University of Michigan at producing leaders, while the leadership at the University of Virginia is literally camping out in purgatory and unsure if the elevator, they just push the button, is going to take them to the pearly gates or to the fiery pits.

Like, professionally, Craig Kent, let's say he's in purgatory. Professionally, Melina Kibbe, Kibbe, let's say she's in purgatory. Professionally, Jim Bryan, let's say he's in purgatory. Professionally, Rachel Sheridan and Porter Wilkinson, let's say they're in purgatory.

They push the elevator button while waiting in the lobby. Where is the elevator in the shaft? Is it going to take them up or down? Yeah. And Ty Magazine doesn't even care. Let's give up number three nationally. Yeah. And, you know, speaking of parents and students, students and parents of students, they're not all living in Charlottel.

They're not all hearing the local news here. And when I was going to college, I don't think I ever knew anything about the leaders of the colleges that I went to. Oh, I did. Did you? I knew about Johnny Casti. Without question. No, I'm not saying that's the case for. you know everybody

I do think the student at the University of Virginia is more astute than most maybe I mean it's look at the ranking the ranking speak for themselves the difficulty to get into the school is it's a new Ivy

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and you can find them on East High Street. Free in-market delivery for Charlottesville Sanitary Supply. Free in-market delivery, and James says, don't forget that swimming team, where you're legitimately watching gold medalists at UVA on the swimming team. He's 100% right. Nice. So from here on out, Jim Ryan,

I will utilize you are a lawyer, you have a Yale degree, a UVA law degree, you're a law professor at the University of Virginia. I am not going to let you slide with, I did not know, I was kept in the dark, nobody told me, I will not allow ignorance as an excuse anymore. Yeah, Ryan himself, this is in the article, Ryan himself appears to have obfuscated about whether UVA violated anti-discrimination law while he was president. he says they were arguably arguably out of compliance because the court's decision was about college admissions let's see what he's talking about is

one of the policies and practices is inconsistent with the Supreme Court's admissions decision admissions one set an aspirational goal of increasing the diversity of our faculty court's decision was about college admissions and applying that reasoning beyond the admissions context involves some judgment calls, to which Scott Gerber replies that...

And he's the columnist. Yeah. That the EEOC chair, Andrea Lucas, has repeatedly mentioned since the Supreme Court's 2023 admissions decision was announced that, unlike the old rules for university admissions, race or sex cannot be even a plus factor, a tiebreaker, or a tiebreaker, or a tipping point in the employment context. Indeed, and so then he says, indeed, except for a few narrow exceptions that don't apply to today's UVA, it has been illegal to take race or other protected traits into account

in employment decisions since the Civil Rights Act of 1964. More still, because UVA is a public university, it is constitutionally barred from doing so. and he ends the article with Ryan must know this after all he is a law professor there it is that's a great column Virginia pilot Virginia with an N

it's Virginia pilots on the lower third it's Virginian with an N next headline Judah Wiccaro what do you got next up we have the cost for Thanksgiving meals this is you know I do so the positive of this is it didn't

go up The negative of this is it's basically the same as last year when it was obscenely expensive. There's a Virginia Farm Bureau Thanksgiving meal market barometer. It's kind of like a little tracker of expense for the Thanksgiving holiday. And shopping excursions across the Commonwealth from the 10th of October to the 6th of November, the average cost of a Thanksgiving meal for 10 people was $80.48, which was down from last year, 81.7. So what are we talking about here? Like a 60 cent, 59 cent drop. Yeah. Average cost of a Thanksgiving meal for 10 people. $81 and $7. That seems light to me,

doesn't it? Eighty one seven. Eighty one seven for ten people? That was last year and this year is 80, 40. I mean, we're talking eight bucks a person? Yeah. I mean, I guess, you know, I'm sure it depends on what you're what you're cooking whether you're making your own uh whether you're making your own cranberry sauce or you know you bought a dollar 29 can of of pre made cranberry sauce viewers and listeners curris shavers right up your alley here 10 people total cost of 80 and 48 cents for the 10 people that seems incredibly low to me it does seem low the 16 pound whole frozen turkey average $27.50 or a buck 70 to a pound. Yeah. And they say that it was a slight increase in the turkey cost, but all the other food

groups went down. A lot of the other stuff went down. So that's good. I don't see how a 10 people can get $80.48 for a turkey for a Thanksgiving meal for 10. It does seem a bit low. I mean, the bottle of scotch is $80. There you go. Well, it depends how many add-ons you've got. Tom Powell watching the program. We love Tom. He says the rule number one of leading is you're at the top.

You have to know everything about your situation, period. 100% Tom Powell. Talking about Jimbo Ryan right there. All right. So if there's a positive of this, it didn't go up versus last year. If there's a negative of this, it only went down 59 cents. Yeah. I mean, that's basically.

basically inflation. When they say there's inflation has, has disappeared or gone away. They basically just mean that the... It's flatlined. That it's, that it's a steady increase at the rate that they want rather than a much higher increase. Juan Sorbiento says, no way, Jose, I'm not buying. 10 people can be fed for that. It is tight. No way people are going to get... That is up, that's $8 a person. $8 a person I mean Call me crazy But I'll have to ask

The Mrs. is watching this question here Sweetheart, does that number sound crazy to you? I remember spending a Thanksgiving in San Francisco With my roommate and a friend of ours We drove up from Los Angeles to San Francisco Because we were on the West Coast and I think two of us lived on the East Coast. The third lived down in Louisiana.

So we drove up there. The whole way there, all I hear from these guys is, oh, I can't wait to get turkey and, you know, all the, you know, the stuff. We find, I think it was like a Howard Johnson's or something that had a sign on the door that says, we are serving Thanksgiving dinner. So when we get in there Thanksgiving night, we sit down, I ordered the turkey and everything, and these guys get the fish and chip special.

What? I'm like, what are you guys doing? Are those friends or enemies? I know. And then all the way back, all I heard is, man, we should have gotten the turkey. Rob Neal watching the program, his photo on screen. I'm surely eating more than $81 of food by myself.

Dude, 100%. $81 for 10 people? That's $8 a person. That's insane. That number seems ridiculous. but that's the Virginia Farm Bureau metric barometer, Thanksgiving barometer. Next headline, Judah Wickhara, what do you got? Well, before we move on, what's your least favorite Thanksgiving dish?

Probably the turkey. Really? Despise turkey. Really? It's dry. Ours wasn't dry last year. It's flavorless. I found a great way to...

I insist with my wife that she has the salty, thin-cut Virginia ham. And then I'll take... the salty, thin-cut Virginia ham? Is it kites? Is it kites country ham? Is that what it is, Curtis? Kites country ham? Gosh, is it kites?

Yeah, Kites country ham. Whoever this Kites fellow is, he knows how to make a damn good country ham. Goodness gracious. Is that the same thing you get for Easter? I would eat this thing once a week, frankly. But then I would die of cholesterol, overdose of cholesterol. Kites country ham, okay? the kites famous grandpa country ham you take that with the the tiny rolls that you get and you make a sandwich and then I make that sandwich and I layer it with all the trims and the fixings I mean I love a sweet potato with the marshmallows crisped on top I love the green bean casserole with the bacon in there I love the mashed potatoes with the gravy just

John Blair says he wants us to talk about it as pumpkin pie good or not. I like all pies. I like apple pies. I like pumpkin pies. Right? I think pumpkin's probably my favorite. I like cranberry sauce. You're a fan of cranberry sauce, Judah?

You know, I didn't like cranberry sauce for most of my life. But in the last, I don't know, 10, 15, 20 years, I've come to enjoy it. I love stuffing, especially with the dressing. I love the green bean, the mac and cheese, the green bean casserole. And I just make a layer with the Kites, country, ham, and the sandwiches. Then I eat a little sandwich. Then I have a little... I do love my...

A little scotch. I do love my post- Thanksgiving turkey sandwiches. Have a little cold beer. Eat some more sandwiches. Have a little more. Make sure everyone's glass is full. Take a break. Walk around the block.

Take Max, the German Shepherd, the family dog for a trot. Make sure the kids are not breaking the house. I told you the other day. Our kid turns three on Thanksgiving Day. He ripped the hot handle off the powder room sink, right next to the garage. He ripped the hot handle, the handle on the sink off. What does hot handle mean? The handle you turn for hot water.

He ripped it off the sink and said, Dad, do you need this? And it was the hot handle on the sink. Next day, he ripped the door, somehow managed to rip the doorknob off the side door of the house. next to the garage you saw it and has no door handle now he ripped it off

he's two years old how does he do that how does a two year old how is he stronger than steel how much does he weigh 30 he stands on the scale in our bathroom every morning 32.6 pounds

well I guess if you put 30 pounds of pressure on a door handle it'll come off 32.6 pounds what is he hand he must be hanging from the door handle I don't know how else you would get it off.

And jerking it. They said, Dad, do you need this? In a 72-hour period hands me the hot water handle on the powder room bathroom. And he hands me the doorknob to the side door that we use all the time

to get in the house because it goes into the mud room. And he says, Dad, do you need this? And I just look at it and I'm like, what the Sigma? Next headline, what do you got you to work? Brussels sprouts, carrots and corn, cranberry sauce and mac and cheese,

sweet potatoes. but leave the turkey off my plate. Give me the Kites Country Ham. What do you got? Give and take. Curtis Shaver's photo on screen. Fantastic tidbit from front of the program was in my groomsman party, Curtis Shaver, at our wedding.

Jim Kite of Kites Country Ham used to play professional baseball in the 1960s. I did not know that, Curtis. Do you like a good Kites Country Ham, Kurt? Dirty Kurt. like some kites country ham i think georgia gilmer mac and cheese is not a thanksgiving dish that's blasphemous georgia gilmer i love you dearly she says mac and cheese is not a thanksgiving dish i would tend to agree are you loco in la cabesa chico it's never been it's never been part of our thanksgiving setup mac and cheese yeah never been consistently a part of our

thanksgiving once our manto says we're doing a brisket this year good for you won. Turkey's overrated. Country ham biscuits. Amen, brother. Amen, Curtis. Nothing better. I would have agreed with the turkey being overrated until recently. I've found some really good ways to prepare turkey so that it's not dry

as the Sahara. Keith Smith is frying in in James Watson's backyard this Thanksgiving. Nice. He's deep frying a turkey in James Watson, his brother-in-law's backyard this Thanksgiving. I'll take a fried turkey. That would be something to watch from a distance.

what Keith Smith frying a turkey anyone yeah Keith Smith frying a turkey that'd be hilarious Keith Smith frying a turkey but I bet you he fries a delicious turkey no no doubt what is this is this right here this is in the shot you see that right here that's the shot it's okay I'm just being these are the high expectations that I talked about I have expectations that are rarely meetable what are you pointing out this thing is in the shot the handle well it shouldn't be in the shot there's only so much I can move these around. It's never on the shot otherwise. This is like the

we're hosting Thanksgiving. No, I trust me, I know I see this. We're hosting Thanksgiving and my wonderful wife runs the house. My wife is the best, okay? My wife is the absolute best. And we're hosting family for Thanksgiving

and she does a, you know, wants to make sure the house is extremely presentable and is nicely, nice and clean. She's doing the betting, you know, making everything look good. And it's just a great job of it. But there's often like one little spot that did not, that got missed.

It's a five better, four and a half bath house. There's a spot that's going to get missed here. And when the family's there, she'll see it and be like, oh my goodness, I forgot that spot right there and pointed it out, let everyone know. And we're like, you know, if you don't say anything, no one's going to know about that spot. just like I did with the handle on the shot with me on the show. Nobody wouldn't notice. That's the anal OCD nature of yours, truly.

Despite enjoying green bean casserole, I detest cooked mushrooms, and everyone always makes it with the, what is it, the mushroom? Yeah, that like porridge. Mushroom soup. Yeah, that porridge or sauce that comes with it, I think that's pretty good. It is good. I just, I see those little mushrooms. When you go to the Wickhauer Thanksgiving, bring a bottle of McAllen 10 or 12 with you.

And are your sisters coming into town? I think one of them. One of them's definitely coming into town. Your dad, you've already said on the show, has got the most potent bag of THC gummies ever in the fridge. You said you ate one of those THC gummies on a Sunday after church. I mean, there's nothing like going to Sunday school, going to big church. pastoring the offering plate, putting some cash money in the offering plate, going to worship service, and then head home to your house and pop it some THC gummies like you guys like to do.

It wasn't on a Sunday. Okay. And what day was it on? I don't remember. It was on a Saturday. You said you were stoned into the next day. I definitely was not high at church. So I don't think it was a Saturday.

I said after church. I didn't say during church. Yeah, but if I had taken it Saturday and was high all the next day, that would... Take, bring the THC gommies that your dad has in a McAllen 10, and you guys will have a hell of the Thanksgiving. Might as well just OD on NyQuil. The Wickhowers are going to be doing naked somersaults down south side in Charlestville, tripping balls over there.

Well, I can't, I couldn't tell you when the last time was that, that I saw my parents, definitely my parents, drinking something like a McAllen. It's Thanksgiving. There's the first time for everything. I don't think it'll be this year. We'll see. It's the first time for everything, my friend.

Next headline, what do you got you to do again? We have the moving of give and take. All right, this is a piece of Spice Diva. This is a little business development. A new lease, Inc. New lease, John Hancocked, with give and take coffee and the old Spice Diva location

and the Market Street Market. No, no, no. the Main Street Market, the purple building. Main Street Market, the purple building. It's always great when we see companies moving up to bigger spaces. They're doing well enough to expand. Okay, props. And it's a coffee and tea company.

Props. And you saw that the folks from the Forge emailed us back, looking to come back on the show. We'll see if we can schedule them. I will say this. I cannot think of a more competitive category of doing business in Charlottesville and Almarl than the coffee space.

Viewers and listeners, what is a more competitive category of doing business in this market than coffee? Yeah, we should ask our viewers, what's their favorite place to get coffee? We should ask the viewers, what is a more competitive category of doing business than coffee, ladies and gentlemen?

I sincerely have that question for you. Because, what do you say, being a realtor? potentially. I mean, you've got a thousand of those in a very small market. I can't think of a more competitive category. The food and beverage category is already the most competitive, and the sub-most competitive category is coffee.

Everyone serves coffee. And then there's specialty coffee providers, and then there's Starbucks and Duncan everywhere. I cannot think of one. Regardless, we salute them. Opening in the old Spice Tiva spot, the inside spot at the mainstream market. John Blair says one way to prepare a moist turkey

is to take some cuts in the outer layer of skin and rub some melted butter inside the skin. Yep, that's one of the ways that I got it last year. You got a... Well, good job, Judah. You're a renaissance man over here. I can't remember what else was in the... It was like butter and spices and you mix it all up

and make sure it's kind of like not melted, but definitely not... not solid just out of the fridge. And, yeah, you just massage it under the skin. Jesus. You're just so sexual with your connotations of the turkey. In the last 20 minutes, I asked you, what's your favorite Thanksgiving dish? What's your favorite thing to eat on Thanksgiving?

I said, what's your favorite thing to eat on Thanksgiving? And you said, succulent soft thigh. and long legs and then just a moment ago you said there's nothing better than massaging the moisture into the skin there you go

Tom Powell deep frying the turkey is awesome Cardi Shaver says the pizza shop is as competitive as the coffee shop pizza is a good one too I'm baffled

that no one has tried their own bagel shop yeah and I know others have tried but the last time others have tried their own bagels it's more than 20 years ago I'm baffled that someone has not opened Charlottesville bagel company yeah please give us a toasted bagel for goodness sake a toasted bagel that's cut all the way in half for goodness sakes

nothing worse than the bagel that's not cut all the way in half then when you tear it out the interior portion of the sandwich which gets ripped with one hand because you assume it's caught in half. That is one of my pet peeves. The other one of my pet peeve is when clothes are left in the washer machine. Huge pet peeve of leaving clothes in the washer machine intruding upon the next load of wash. Don't leave clothes in the washer machine. All right, then.

Huge pet peeve. Next headline. Judah, what do you got? how often does jerry do the laundry i do i don't remember putting that in there i do i do my laundry ask my wife i do my laundry every single day all right every single day i do my long every single day would you just throw a pair of pants and a shirt in there i what i wore for the day to work and my exercise attire and outfit from that day it's not a big load but i would rather do a small load every day then have a big load every three days.

There you go, folks. And leaving clothes on the washing machine is one of my pepies. Carly Wagner, Murphy's Bagels is great. A bit far, but it's really good. I believe Murphy's Bagels is in Green County. Is that right, Carly Wagner? I believe it's Green County. If you watch the show regularly,

yours truly does not go north of Berwick's Road. You think I'm joking? No, I don't. Okay. James Watson, if my memory serves me correctly, Judah never went to see Santa Claus as a kid, plus no mac and cheese for Thanksgiving. I know, Jesus, James.

And on top of that, Judah likes to massage the skin for moisture, loves the succulent thighs, and loves the long legs. Turkey. We kid because we care. He's never had a photo taken with Santa Claus. Judah Wickhauer. Yeah. He's never met Santa Claus.

Never had a photo taken with Santa Claus. I've seen them in passing. I've met a Santa Claus here and there. Where have you met a Santa Claus here and there? Malls usually. Where do you meet Santa Claus? I meet Santa Claus all everywhere. It comes down my chimney at night.

I leave carrots and cookies and milkout for him. I say our sons have been, well, the oldest has been a good boy. The other one, not so much. He's like, don't worry, Jerry. The old one needs a new. Got presents for him, too. for President's Fortune. James Watson says, we love Judah.

We love Judah. Thank you. Yeah, he just put that in there. And Carly said, yes, north of Barrett's Road. Philip Dow, I do my own laundry and my wife does hers. That's how we do it in our house as well? I don't profess. You know, my wife's carrying the house.

My wife carries our family. Soup to nuts. She carries the family. I do my own laundry. I do my own laundry. Next headline, what do you got you to work out? Suzanne Daly, if we're picking on Judas' succulent choices, let it be noted that Jerry would rather do one small load a day than one big load every three days.

I thought about that when I said that, Suzanne Daly. Right now, somewhere you guys are laughing at your, Suzanne Daly, well play. I've never met you in real life, Suzanne Daly, but that was a hell of a joke, Suzanne. Do we have a photo for Suzanne Daly? we do not Suzanne Daly props to you you are

that joke was an R-rated joke and it hit home with yours truly because nothing nothing I enjoy more than the R-rated jokes Vanessa Park Ellen

loving the show right now it's called room temperature Judah Wickhauer it's called room temperature what she says it's called room temperature

what you're referring to Georgia Gilmer she's tagging you it's called room temperature I'm not sure Was that how your succulent meats and your moist, milky thighs comment? Suzanne Daly. That was one of the funniest things I've heard on the show in a while.

Holly Foster, her photo on screen. I'm going to see Holly Foster next week. Holly Foster reached out to us. She loves the show. She appreciated the care package we sent her earlier this year. Nice. Holly Foster. And she has a bottle of McAllen for us.

Ooh. Yeah. Well, that's exciting. Yeah. Holly Foster. Thank you. That is a wonderful, wonderful gift. Her photo on screen. Holly Foster, the Queen of Finreiko. We're going to see her next week. Mac and cheese was not a California side dish. I'd rather have other sides. She says, Jerry, take him to see Santa at Borshead this year and take a picture.

Dude, the Santa Claus and the Mrs. Claus at the Borshead at the Winter Wonder are, it is so awful. It's unbelievable. That's Santa Claus. Santa Claus. Santa Claus is that. actually at the Borset. Okay. Like authenticity and then some. Holly, I also grew up in California, so that may be why mac and cheese was never a part of our spread.

Oh, and she says it's the McAllen 12. Holly, you're getting us the McAllen 12? Oh, that's so delightful, Holly. Thank you. Callant 12, that's really good in Redire. I'm some good son right there. Suzanne Daley, you just made my day. As I was saying it, Suzanne Daly, I was like, oh, Jesus.

Next headline, oh, the butter, the room temperature butter, Judah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The butter, the room temperature butter. I don't know if ours was room temperature when I was using it, but besides the point. Well, how do you, if it's not room temperature, how do you take a cold butter stick and massage it on the turkey skin? well i said it wasn't uh it wasn't fresh out of the fridge cold okay we mixed it up with herbs and spices and um yeah it may have been close to room temperature who knows okay all right elves there's tiny elves tiny elves where would you hide one where no one could get it where would you hide a tiny elf where no one could find it

you know what my answer is my answer is any of stephan friedman's storefronts draft tap room it's locked Old Metropolitan Hall The event space It's locked and empty Bonnie and Reed Locked and Empty Little Johns Locked and Empty

Ace Biscuit and Barbecue Caught Fire Michael's Bistro Locked and Empty You want to have an Elves scavenger hunt And you want to win the scavenger hunt As the organizer

Put it in a Stephon Freeman business I'd put one on a balcony Gazing down at the mall laughing at all the people that can't reach him. Okay. That's a good spot. Respect. You can put it in the backpack of the clap and the New Orleans guy.

Oh, man. That talks with the New Orleans language. What's the New Orleans language down there called? Creole. Creole. Can't understand a thing he's saying. He's always smiling. I mean, he is high as a kite. Nicest guy ever. Every time I see him, I give, give him a fist bump. Is that the guy with the

painted stick? Painted stick? Yeah, he's got the staff. He walks around with the staff. He's got a painted face. He's speaking Creole. He's like, I don't know, I can't understand what he's saying. Sometimes he's just right outside our back door and I come walking out and he turns my way and go, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Yeah, yeah.

He's like, hey, I can be good to see you in. He does that. I mean, it's the nicest guy ever. I never feel threatened. Oftentimes when I go out the back door of a building in downtown Charlottesville, around evening time, and there's an individual sitting by himself on the ground in between trash cans, carrying a large staff with a painted face, and he surprises me. Oftentimes, I would feel terrified, but in this particular case, I want to give the man a hug, and instead I choose

to give him a fist bump. Hide out a tiny elf with him, you might not find it. Then there's clapping man, jacked clapping man with the big biceps. I saw him in a long time. I saw Jack clapping man with the big biceps a couple weeks ago that's screaming at the top of his lungs and clapping his hands doesn't it hurt his hands how hard he's clapping them i often want to stop him and ask are the palms of your hands not hurting you sir but then i realized that his biceps are the size of my torso he's screaming at the top of his lungs and sweating profusely as if a hoar in church and i just leave him alone as a what As if a whore in church. Okay.

She would be sweating profusely. Would she not be? I've never been a whore in church, so I'm not sure how I would respond. T.HC. Gummy's in church. No, that is not true. I know it's not true. I know it's not true. All right.

Final headline. You did a great job today. UVA tips off against Northwestern. Five o'clock tip, weird tip off time. It's because of its tournament. Five o'clock tip. It's played in a ballroom. I think there are 2,000 people that can watch this game in person.

It's at the Greenbrier Resort. The game is played in a ballroom. Virginia is a three and a half point favorites. UVA and Ryan Odom's first true test, Northwestern. In a ballroom. In a ballroom? Well, okay. Yeah, because it's like a tip-off tournament at Greenbrier.

Have you ever been to the Greenbrier? I don't think so. Greenbrier is an enchanting place. Enchanting is how I would describe. It's very much stuck in. in the past stuck in time but it's it's it's stuck in time nature make makes it like romantic and enchanting and inviting um so follow the wahoos tonight at a five o'clock tip oak valley custom heartscapes if you need a custom heartscape done at your business judah or at your house it's oak

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We appreciate you, the viewer and listener. We are back in the saddle on Monday for Thanksgiving week. For Judah Wickhauer, I'm Jerry Miller. So on. Thank you.