The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Was Homeless Ordinance Fool's Gold From Day One?; City Council Ordered Homeless Ordinance Draft

Episode Date: September 5, 2025

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Welcome to the I Love Seville Show, guys. My name is Jerry Miller. Thank you kindly for joining us on a Friday afternoon in downtown Charlottesville. Last show of the week, and goodness gracious, has it been a busy week. And leave it to the city of Charlottesville, leave it to city council to steal the thunder from the University of Virginia. I mean, we've been talking Jim Ryan's resignation. We've been talking Cree deeds investigating the board of visitors, in particular, the rector and the vice rector for their role in Jim Ryan's resignation and whether or not the rector and vice rector were in cahoots with the Trump administration and the Department of Justice to get Jim Ryan canned or forces resignation. We've been talking about white collar racketeering at UVA health with retired CEO Craig Kent.

eventually leading to the to the uh the the resignation of the hospital CEO and the dean of the medical school we've been talking about dysfunction and and and malpractice and backroom wheeling and dealing and backstabbing and deceiving and deceit at the university of virginia for weeks if not longer for months for most of this year most of this year that's been the topic UVA driving the new cycle with Jim Ryan's forced resignation and who's going to be the next president and the board of visitors

Yonkin failing to get his appointments approved for the B-O-V. Leave it to Charlottesville. Leave it to City Council. Juan Diego Wade. Brian Pinkston. Lloyd Snook. Natalie Oshry. Michael Payne. Brian Pinkston.

All you guys. leave it to you guys to steal this thunder from the University of Virginia and that train wreck and to take the locomotive, take the caboose, take all the train cars that are literally on a collision that everyone's watching on grounds at UVA

and steal that wreck and create a nuclear site of your own. I mean, boy, oh boy, has Juan Diego Wade, Brian Pinkston and City Council, have they stepped in a pile of poo? And that stink is, ladies and gentlemen, significant right now. We're going to talk about all this on the program today. I encourage you to like and share the show.

Tina Wyden and Vanessa Parkhill, thank you for doing so. I'm going to ask really pointed questions that I think all of us should be asking. there was a homeless ordinance that the council, the city attorney, the city manager, police chief cautious, they've been working on this homeless ordinance that was going to basically offer a framework for the police department to prevent the homeless population from camping on public property, the downtown mall, for example, an ordinance that was rooted in empathy and humanity, we're going to give you 10 days notice. We'll let you know today that you can't camp here anymore on the mall next to the Rivana River by Free Bridge in the park. We'll give you 10 days notice to move. And when we come back,

10 days from now, if you're still here, we're going to kindly ask you to leave, and we're also going to store your possessions to help you for 60 days at no charge to you. I mean, one of the most empathetic and kind ordinance is possible. If we have to utilize the law, it's going to be a class four misdemeanor. It's going to be a small fine. The class four Mr. Meeter will not result in jail time. and if you are unwilling to pay this fine or incapable financially of paying the fine,

that won't result in jail time as well. I mean, it is like the most approachable ordinance possible for the homeless. City Council instructs Sam Sanders, the police chief, the city attorney, to start working on this in April of this year. The city attorney, John Maddox, who maybe

moonlights as Jerry Seinfeld and as a comedian, cracking dad jokes Tuesday night in front of a hostile council chambers, linking himself to the extremely handsome Danny DeVito, hoping

Danny DeVito, who starred in twins along Arnold Schwarzenegger, plays him a movie with a script written by John Grisham about this new zoning order, it's literally the city attorney, made that joke on the dais. Chief Kodges is instructed by counsel to present this ordinance which the city attorney and the city manager had a hand in creating. Then counsel proceeds to distance itself from Kogis' presentation, leave the chief on an island to be lambasted by 100 to 200 people in council chambers who are hurling slurs at

him, fascists, other nasty terminology, interrupting him while he's speaking. And Cotches is perceived to be the guy that was the originator of the ordinance. If you missed the interview yesterday, we did with the police chief of Charlottesville, Chief conscious. He was with us for an hour. He was fantastic. He offered insight and color to what was going on that you can find nowhere else. That interview is archived at Iloveceville.com. I'm going to ask you the viewer and listener. I'm going to ask you the taxpayer. I'm going to ask you the voter, the homeowner, the business owner, the tenant. Did Charlottesville City Council, Juan Diego Wade, Brian Pinkston, Michael Payne, Lloyd Snook, and Natalie Orchran?

Did they use police chief Kachis as a fall guy? I'm going to ask you this question very straightforwardly. We now know there's roughly 240 homeless individuals in the Charlottesville area. 240, 240. How is a population of 240 people impacting Charlottesville to the tune of what we are seeing today? I'm going to ask you, the viewer and listener, this question, how is a small contingent of people in council chambers led by Nakaya Walker and livable Seaville capable of bullying city council during a public meeting into stepping so far away from the ordinance that they're willing to leave their police chiefs? out to dry. What does that say about the character and the integrity of counsel? We're going to talk about that, ladies and gentlemen on today's show. We're going to talk

Bonnie and Reed and Al-Qazam closing. Two more storefronts downtown have closed. We're going to talk sales tax collections in Charlottesville City down Q1-2020-5 versus Q1-2.2 2024 and Q4, 24, Q1, Q2, Q3, and Q4 in 2020, we're down for the entire year. I'll say it again. In 2024, sales tax collection, which does not include the meals tax or lodging taxes, as I learned today from Neil Williamson, the president of the Free Enterprise Forum on Real Talk this morning. 2020 was a down year

the entire year in 2024 verse 2023 was down now the first quarter of 2025 is down versus the first quarter of 2024

we have a trend line Chris Engel we have a data set and a trend line Chris Engel head of economic development in Charlottesville City Hall furthermore

since the first quarter of this year we've seen more closings in Charlottesville, right? What are the iconic businesses that have closed in the last 13 years? I Love Seaville, iconic businesses that have closed. You need to add Al-A-Cazam to that list, please, sir. What's the URL? J-Dubs?

Oh, let's see. Is it I-Loveceville.com forward-slash closing? Or closed? I'm checking. It's I Loveceville.com forward slash closed. Icons that have closed in the last 12 months. Blue Moon Diner. Mooses by the Creek.

Neither Blue Moon Diner or Mooses by the Creek have active businesses in them. Although businesses are percolating for the sites, they have it open. Eljo's traditional clothes. One of the neighbors in the Milmont shops took over Eljos, leaving another vacancy there. reads that's still not open it's going to be twice as nice the guadalajara on fontaine avenues closed mel's cafe lumpkins little johns little johns still doesn't have a new a replacement tenant since it's closed 10,000 villages on the downtown mall closed in the last year end zone pizza north of town belmont pizza that's charltsville city tubby's restaurant and deli close add ala kazam to that list

we are not going to add Bonnie and Reed to that list because they don't have the institutional run to be called iconic, but Al-Qazam certainly does. Did you know the owner of Al-Qazam said her sales volume is down 30% year-over-year, the toy store in the downtown mall? 30%. 30%. Ladies and gentlemen, year-over-year. If you're Chris Engel and City Hall, and you're the head of economic development, are you asking yourself, Houston, do we have a problem? Are you asking yourself, is Alamara County eating our lunch and stealing our market share? And what are you doing about it? And speaking of Little Johns,

Stefan Freeman, the restaurateur, a partner in Little Johns. Stefan Freeman, the principal of Bonnie and Reed that just closed. Stefan Freeman, the shot caller at draft taproom that's vacant and still not open. What's going on with that restaurant empire that also includes Vite Spirits,

ace biscuit and barbecue, and the sushi joint in the back of Vite spirits? What's going on there? Why are we seeing closures? He's got Little Johns and Bonnie and Reed that just closed this summer in a short period of time. A lot we're going to cover on the program, ladies and gentlemen, including the University of Virginia traveling to NC State for a 12 o'clock kickoff tomorrow on ESPN2. The Wolfpack, a three and a half point favorite. UVA has an opportunity for a statement win.

I've called it the most important game on the schedule. You win this, then you have William and Mary in Stanford in weeks three and four, and you could potentially go four and no going into that match. against the Florida State Seminels at Scott Stadium on Friday night on national television. And that's, if you're 4 and O going into that matchup, anything can happen. Anything can happen. John Vermillion and Andrew Vermillion, five generations of Vermilions in Almorel County. Their business, Charlottesville Sanitary Supply, is three generations strong. They are located on East High Street and online at Charlottesville Sanitary Supply.com.

If you're purchasing sanitary supply of any capacity, you do it through John and Andrew Vermillion at Charlesville Sanitary Supply or online at Charlesville Sanitary Supply.com. These people are honest. They're communicative. They're willing to offer education to you when you come in and shop there. They have free local delivery through their website. If you order online, free local delivery to your house and doorstep. They have a mechanic on site to fix your vacuums, your pool robots.

And they're just good people. We want to see these types of businesses make in another 61 years. Judah Wickhauer's studio camera and two shot, I count on you as a voice of reason. And everyone give Judah Wickhauer some props for the haircut. Look at the haircut from

Judah Wickhauer over there. Look and distinguish Judah Wickhauer on a Friday. Thank you. Was Kachis not awesome? Oh, Kachis was wonderful. And just stand up. I mean, you know, he could have

he could have named names. He could have, you know, he could have... Throwing people under the bus? Yeah. Point of the finger? As was essentially done to him. And he, as always, keeps it classy. He took it.

Yeah. And that's his job. And I appreciate the fact that he's got a sense of humor about it. And we're not, you know, we're not going to lose probably one of our best city leaders because of the rest of our city leaders. I asked him three times as he prepping his residence. to consider another job. He said, no, Charleston's my home. This is my last stop. My wife said this morning, Chief Kachis makes policing look cool. That's what you said this morning in the

kitchen. He makes policing look cool. He said this and then you jump in. I get yelled at all the time. That's a Tuesday for me. That's what he said. He said I was unfazed with folks and council chambers calling me a fascist and hurling other slurs my way. You watched the highlight, the playback of Kachis in the presentation. There were a couple of moments where he did a whoso moment and composed himself. I forget what I was going to say, but yeah, Kachis is, he's a class act, and I appreciate having him. in our city leadership, you know, he's cool under fire and he knows his job, oh, I know what I was going to say. And if you listen to his words, he's, you know, he's not going after

anybody. He has a deep respect for everybody in this city, and that is one of the things that I appreciate the most about him. Listen to him, talk about the homeless, he's respectful of them. met with him. He's probably spoken, I have no basis for this, but I would guess that he's spoken to more homeless people than the city council combined. 100%.

100%. I'm going to ask very straightforward and uncomfortable questions today. The homeless ordinance that was presented to counsel on Tuesday the drafting of said ordinance, the birth is a better word.

The birth of said ordinance, April of this year, when counsel instructed staff, city manager, city attorney, police chief, to get an ordinance going. Chief Kott just talked about it. He called it in the 221 meetings. Where it's two counselors meeting with, himself and and and and and and and some other city staff and council has indicated Lloyd snook in particular that the top item in his inbox with local government

is the houseless and the homeless and the impact it's having on the economy and small business top item Lloyd snook has said in our inbox so council says let's get an ordinance drafted yeah let's have Sam the city manager let's have the city attorney, John Maddox. Let's have police chief. Let's get an ordinance drafted. And it should be pointed out that while many at the city council, the city council meeting, tried to make a point that this was based on Trump's executive order to get, you know, to get homeless out of city, you know, city areas. This was started in April. Before the executive order materialized in July.

Yeah. So this has nothing to do with that. That has no bearing on any of this. Anyone who's linking this to Donald Trump, Jeff Fogle, I'm talking to you. Anyone who's linking this to Donald Trump, Matthew Gilligan and Stephen Johnson and livable Seville, I'm talking to you. Anyone who's linking this to Donald Trump, Nakaya Walker, I'm talking to you. You are being disingenuous with that link. This was birthed prior to Trump doing his executive order. Anyone who is linking this ordinance to criminalizing the homeless, you are being even more disingenuous. It's the antithesis of criminalizing.

The Commonwealth's attorney, Joe Platania, indicated that his office is not going to go balls to the wall with these fines or this misdemeanor for, and it's not going to result in jail time. And even if it was, the police department. department has no appetite for going out and handing out fines to every single homeless person in the area. They don't want to do that. It's not what this is about. That's not policing. They put an ordinance together that was a framework because currently the police have no framework. When they see someone passed out on the downtown mall next to Hamilton's, next to the Fitzroy, next to Rapture, next to Sal's Cafe Italia, the police go there

prior to Tuesday with literally zero legal backing outside of the perception of a man or woman in uniform and the perception of authority that's bred from that uniform. And they kindly ask the

houseless individual to leave. If that houseless individual were to say, no, I am not, that police officer would have no legal recourse to do anything. Even if the houseless individual was next to diners on the downtown mall, speaking loudly, using profanity, sitting there in his boxer shorts, or brawn panties. Think about that.

April, an ordinance was drafted, and we've got to be rotating lower thirds on screen here, tied to this. and Tuesday it was presented to council we know it wasn't tied to Trump and we know it's not criminalizing the homeless I'm going to ask you the viewer and listener of this question did city council draft an ordinance or order the drafting of an ordinance

that was fools gold from day one from the beginning was this ordinance nothing but window dressing for the business community and for the silent majority that is afraid or unable to speak about this for fear of retribution from a very vocal minority. Why, in council chambers, when those who were in attendance that were utilizing words like fascists, hurling profanities, screaming nasty, comments, to Greer Ackinbach, Mike Kachis, and to city council.

Why did anyone on the dais not say it was us who ordered the drafting of this ordinance? Why? Why Juan Diego, Wayne? You're the mayor. Why Juan Diego Wade did you allow that meeting to play out the way it did? It humiliated you, sir, as the mayor who's in charge with keeping. order in the meeting. The extent of what you did to maintain order in the meeting, Juan Diego Wade, was utter the word please about 150 times. Please, please, please, please. I've

watched it twice. We played the clips on Tuesday show. No, on Wednesday show. Yeah. Please. Please, please, please. That's all Juan Diego Wade did. Never once did Juan Diego Wade offer a accountability order, you will not behave this way or you will be thrown out of council chambers. Shame on Juan Diego Way. I think with the benefit of hindsight, you're looking at a council who ordered this ordinance to be drafted that ended up using Cautius as the fall guy because they didn't want to appear uncool in front of 200 in City Hall that were bemoaning and bull. In fact, I would go further because there's no reason to even ask for the drafting of an ordinance unless you want to show off that you're unwilling to go ahead with it.

I mean, does that even make sense? I have a hard time understanding why that would make sense. You're right. Here, bring this before counsel so we can shoot it down. Draft this ordinance spent from April until September doing it. Take taxpayer resources. These people don't work for free. Only for us to shoot it down 5'0 based on the argument that we don't have a low barrier shelter in play. And if we do this ordinance, the 240 houseless individuals will go somewhere else.

than where they are right now? Well, essentially, all that was asked is repeatedly where are they going to go? I've got a great spot, like right on the corner of Preston and McIntyre. It's a vast, vast green lawn. What's the corner of Preston and McIntyre? It's in front of the, what is it, the federal building? I don't know what it's called. The Admiral County Office building?

Yeah. Across from Wendy's? Why is that any? Why is that any? You want to create a homeless building? encampment on the gateway to the downtown mall? They're already on the downtown mall. Why is that

a better or worse spot than on the downtown mall and across the street at the park? We had a terrible situation with the homeless encampment and Market Street Park, Sandersville. Yes, and we've essentially

heard from counsel, whether they set it out loud or not, that they are not going to stop encampments because they shot down this ordinance, which would have given the police a legal framework with which to deal with encampments, which was specifically, supposedly why it was drawn up, because they get, and, and, uh, and counselor Payne said as much. When we get enough calls, when we get enough emails about an encampment, we send the police. Freebridge is a good example, but the police have no,

have no legal framework. And chief conscious said, I'm glad they, they, I'm glad they were, you know, loud and clear with what they, with what they told us at the city council meeting. Because now I know that if there's a problem, I don't have to worry about sending the police. Yeah. So now. So why not? When the police are called, the police will not come unless the houseless individual is breaking the law. Yeah.

Breaking the law. So you can stand on the downtown mall next to the Alfresco dining in your box. or shorts right next to the person eating a $50 steak and drinking a $15 old-fashioned. And nothing could be done about it.

Right. And counselors have indicated, and finish your thought here, remember your thought because I know it's going to be a poignant one. Counselors have indicated that were a year away easily from a low barrier shelter being created. The funding is in place,

but there's no one that is willing to it and they don't have the constituency that's willing to accept it. Fifeil's a perfect example, Salvation Army site, Fifeil neighborhood, not in my backyard. Yeah. For the low barrier shelter.

Right. Go ahead. So, one thing I heard repeatedly, repeatedly at the city council meeting was where are they going to go? Where are they going to go? Where are they going to go? Everybody kept asking that

question. If you pass this ordinance, because somehow they think that the police are going to go and talk to every single homeless person in Charlottesville and tell them they can't camp here, wherever here is, which is patently absurd, because that's not what we want the police to be doing, that's not what the police want to be doing, and that's not what police chief conscious is going to send the police to do. This is specifically to give them the ability to do something, And in most cases, this is going to be, this is going to, dealing with the downtown mall. This is not walking around all of Charlottesville and telling people they can't camp here. This ordinance was specifically about the downtown mall, 100% in agreement.

So, why not give them an encampment? Greer Ackinbach highlighted the Friends of Seville executive director about offering them an encampment. Matthew Gilliken, the co-chair of Liverpool Seaville, who is, my opinion, absolutely damaging Charlottesville, referenced the encampment. I think even Jeff Fogel referenced the encampment. Conan Owen's watching the program. I'm telling you.

The CEO of Sir Speedy of Central Virginia, Conan Owen, a Darden graduate. If you have a logo and you need an application for it, Conan Owen is who you call. Sir Speedy of Central Virginia is locally owned and operated. signs, window decals, direct mail, the banner behind me, lanyards, passes, badges, pamphlets, folders, trifolds. Surspeedia, Central Virginia is who you call,

locally owned and operated. Conan says, Greer was exactly right. Create an encampment and move it to the floodplain. Remember, the city bought the dirt from Wendell Wood to keep developer Bo Carrington, the Covenant School graduate, the talented Duke lacrosse player, who I believe pursued an MBA at the Darden School, the head of, what is it, seven development, Bo Carrington.

I hope I'm getting your development company's name right. Boe Harrington, Class Act, great guy. Might see him walking around town in cowboy boots. Always sharply dressed Boe Carrington. Came on the program to talk about the project on East High Street, Boe Carrington. Steward of the community from a development standpoint, Bull Carrington. a joint venture in play with Wendell Wood, the Wood family, the largest landowners in Amarrow County.

This particular parcel was on East High Street, where the fair used to be, the banks of the Rivana River. They wanted to build apartments there. Haters and activists came out, don't build housing, not on the banks of the Rivana, not down by the water, don't build that housing. Same people saying, we need housing to stabilize prices. We need more density to stabilize the prices. Just don't do it over there by the banks of the Ravana. Don't do it over there in Fifell, the historically financially marginalized community.

Don't do it over there next to West Haven, the historically financially marginalized and forgotten community. No apartment towers overlook at West Haven. No density in homeless shelters in Fifell. No apartments on East High Street by the river. We only want the housing in the area of the rich, white folk. That's what they're saying.

City caved to the pressure. Bought the land from Wendell Wood. Wendell Wood somewhere going, he, he, he, he, he, like Mr. Burns in his factory. I'm going to sell this parcel of mud that can't stabilize housing anyway to the city.

And they're going to buy this afterthought property. He found a smithers. Maybe Bo was the smithers. in that scenario. Let's see if we can get a joint venture in play because I know, Mr. Burns, if a joint venture for housing by the banks of the right vannas in play,

these activists are going to come out of the cracks and they're going to force the city to buy this mud from me. A parcel that historically floods. The city did it. City gave Wendell a lot of money. Wendell sold 462 acres to Albemarle County north of town. Some would say undevelopable.

Now that's what, Ravanna Futures? Is that where AstraZeneca's going in their multi-billion dollar facility? Greer says, take that parcel on East High Street. City owns it. It's a part. Allow the encampment there. create the 2025 version of Sandersville

I still think it should be on the corner of precedent here I've got photos you're going to put them on screen yeah I don't see how putting a homeless encampment on the gateway to the downtown mall is a good idea now I will get some resistance

I will get some resistance from the business owners on East High Street one of them that's near and dear to our heart the Vermilions about putting in a homeless encampment on the dirt on the mud the mud patched the city bought from Wendell. Show them.

You've got visuals? I don't mean interrupt. Put them on screen. It's not even in, yeah, here's the corner of Preston and McIntyre. And let me just say that it's, it's not a question of putting it there. It's a question of who's going to take it away. It's not a park. Is it on screen?

Yeah. Okay. We got a 10 second delay, so I can't see it. I've got a couple more pictures of it. It's not, it's not a park. There's no, I don't believe there's a, I don't believe there's any. This is Judah next to the county office. office building. You don't have to, you don't have to be, you don't have to put the homeless

and cabin next to the county office building. Look at, the gateway to the downtown mall. Look at all that green. Yeah. You don't have to be out by 11 o'clock. I don't even think the city owns this, dude. Who does? And can anyone help me on this? Does it matter who owns it? Jim Hingley, can you help me on this? Okay. Jim Hinchley's watching the program and he texted me here. Who owns the county office building that is in the city of Charlottesville? How only in Charlottesville, Virginia, will the Almorale County office building be in Charlottesville City Limits? Who owns that dirt? Okay, but before we get any more in the weeds about who owns it?

Ownership is not in the weeds. Go ahead. I apologize for interrupting. It is because we essentially just heard from city council that they're not going to do anything about encampments. City Council cannot tell Elmorrow County we are going to allow a homeless encampment on the dirt that you own. But they are saying we're not going to do anything about it.

I'm not saying they allow it. Bill McChesney. Bill McChesney would know. this William McChess, the mayor of McIntyre. Does Almore County own that? Yeah, he says that is county property, Judah. Okay. So that kiboshes that idea.

No. You're saying you want Charlottesville City Hall and City Council to order from the dais Charlottesville's homeless population to create an encampment next to the county office building. I never said that they should order from the dais. No. You're showing pictures of them.

If the city's houseless population decided to set up camp there, who is going to stop them? Well, I will. They just shot down a ordinance that would allow the police to go in and do something about it as it stands. I will say this, I will say this, that the incompetence, the malpractice, the dysfunction, the malfeasance from City Hall, from City Council with managing the houseless population and this ordinance is to the betterment of Almore County. because there's no framework, there's no legal framework to manage the houseless now. Every houseless person that's in Amarral County

should now come to Charlottesville City because now they know this. The police can do nothing about it. Charlottesville City Hall and Charlottesville City Council on Tuesday night said we're going to table it. We're not even going to talk about this anytime soon. Yeah.

You got free internet. It's exactly my point. You've got electricity everywhere. Look, this pad... You got panhandlers. You got people to panhandlers. handle. You've got a public library where you can wash your private parts and get out of the inclement weather. This patch of green is, that I'm showing on the screen again, is literal minutes from

the haven. The whole problem is when people leave the haven, they stay on the downtown mall. If they decided to take up a, you know, this beautiful green patch of land. Would it make more sense, as Conan Owen has said, and as Greer Ackenbach has referenced, to take dirt the city already owns, which it purchased from Wendellwood, which is next to a water source, the Rivana River, and create that into the encampment, as opposed to turning a blind eye and hoping and praying, the encampment finds the green grass that's next to the Almore County office building? Okay.

What basic management 101 say, let's steer these people away from the business district, especially a gateway or entry point to the business district, that piece of parcel that you've put online? And I'll say it again, somewhere the county executive in Almore County and somewhere the board of supervisors in Almar County, Ned Galloway, B. Lepistow Curtley, Mike Pruitt, Jim Andrews, what about them? All these supervisors, they're jumping for joy. They're like, good God, Charlottesville's wet in the bed as if it's a two and half-year-old who drank too much Kool-Aid before 8 o'clock at night. And they don't have their depends on. Oops, I peed my pants. Wet in the bed, Charlestville, when it comes to managing this

houseless population. We're going through that right now with our two-and-a-half-year-old. Our little boy just transitioned from a crib to a big boy bed. We got him a full-size temporepetic. And this full-sized temperedic, you know what the most important element you get, Judah? when you're transitioning a two-and-a-half-year-old from a crib to a big-boy bed? You know what the most important purchase is for that transition, Judah? What do you think it is? The most... It's the pea protector that goes over the mattress,

that protects the mattress from being stained. And Charlottesville right now is governing without a plastic pea protector. Okay. And all it's doing is tarnishing and staining and stinking it's mattress and in this metaphor it's the business district

tarnish stain and stink thank God we spent the $40 on the P cover Mayor Wade where's your P cover for the business district and the way it was managed?

And the way it was managed with Cotches, making him the fall guy? Deplorable. How Michael Payne interacted with Cotches? Disingenuous. How none of the five counselors were willing to raise their hand in front of a council chambers of bullies and say, it was me who came up with this ordinance.

Spineless. To allow the council chambers to attribute it to doubt Donald Trump's executive order? Pathetic. To have this in the work since April and have it presented in September for it to be shot down 5-0, poorly managing taxpayer resources

and dollars. Malpractice. Malfeasance. Brian Pinkston's got about September, October, November, and December. He's got less than four months left. This is part of Pinkston's legacy. Brian Pinkston, I hope you hear that. This is part

of your legacy, Brian Pinkston. Four months left. It'll be on your Wikipedia page. When your grandchildren, Google you, this will be on there. All of them have said on the dais that the issue that they get most connected or here

from constituents from is this, the houseless. We know a number because the number was presented in Tuesday's meeting about 240 houseless people. Can someone explain to me please how 240 the number presented in Tuesday night's meeting how 240 people have Charlottesville, Virginia, by the balls and the short and curleys? I would say that's a little disingenuous. How so? Because they're not making decisions or asking anyone

to do any specific thing. They're just... Doing whatever they want. And they're also not a... What's the word? They're not a block of singular-minded people. Okay, how's this for a better phrase? for a better presentation. Okay, I'll give you that. There's 240 homeless. There's even less

activists than the 240. How are 200 activists livable Charlottesville and Nakaya Walker, the leaders, have the city by the balls and the short and curleys? Is that better? They're acting in a block or unison, livable Charlottesville. Here's the email we want you to send, send it to council. Council on Tuesday night references, oh, we get all these email. from the people, and yes, they say the exact same thing. It's clearly a coordinated email campaign of copy and paste. Cautius reference it as well yesterday. Okay?

Does that meet your criteria of 200 people working in a block, organized, strategized, localized, to try to control of city of 50,000 people in a region of 300,000? Will you give me that? More or less. Okay. There's how many instances

in our history, Virginia, United States, and world history of a small group of people tarnishing, damaging the outcomes, the futures, and the quality of lives of larger groups of people? That's how wars are started. That's the impetus for battles and wars. Do we want to reference history where that's been the case? Tina Wyand Breed and absolutely spineless those folks. Chief Kachis. I stand up for that guy. Holly Foster.

Yes, the city council threw the chief under the bus. He was very diplomatic yesterday in his visit with you. I understand how he feels. everyone has a voice but they were very rude to the chief no doubt john blair to turn to the sales tax issue i just want to point out that you and i have both pointed out that ivy and crozay continue to grow out commercial enterprises and restaurants if you take a look at your 2023 shows you talked about how ivy is really spinning up i drove up 29 last saturday morning and i am also shocked at just how much the 29 quarter is growing the point being how many

people in Almore will now conduct most of their lives in the county and no longer go into the city except to work if they work in the city and on a rare occasion, a UVA football game. This was not the case pre-COVID. That's John Blair. It's funny you mention that, John Blair, because number one in the family is Deep Throat, and this is what Deep Throat did. Man loves data. He said, literally, I was playing around Deep Throat. I was playing around with the placer.A.I. With placer.a.i. That was the source for the Friends of Seville's statistic about visits dropping in the downtown mall from 2017 to 2023. Placer.a.I. is the data intelligence that tracks IPs on phones. And when you have a little bit of assumption that everyone now has a smartphone in their hand or on their person,

which I think is safe, so you can track each of these smartphones has a unique IP. So if you're able to track IPs, you're able to track foot traffic in very targeted areas. And with Placer AI, Friends of Seville, the lobbying group, the pro-business lobbying group, led by Greer Ackinback, presented data from 2017 to 2023 visits had dropped tremendously. She referenced that in public comment on Tuesday night. Deep Throat takes a deep dive with that data. He goes, I am just using the free tier of it, which is very limited, but was surprising to me that Stonefield, the shops of Stonefield, has double the visits of the downtown mall. I wonder if the Friends of Seaville folks know this

and can show you more historical data. Then he says, Deep Throat and Barracks Road Shopping Center beats both Stonefield and the downtown mall. And he shows me data screenshots from placer.a. Then he goes off and offers other intelligence that

is for other stuff that we're working on. Interesting. So straight up tracking data, IP addresses on phones, Stonefield is now beating the downtown mall. Executive economic developer, economic director

of development, Chris Engel, when do you start pointing out, when do you start standing up and banding up and saying, Houston, we have a problem. In the first quarter of this year, and this is on the Chamber of Commerce website, okay?

I will take the link from the Chamber of Commerce website, and I'm going to put it in the comment section of my personal Facebook page, Facebook.com. com forward slash jerry miller just search jerry miller on facebook and i will come up first and when you do search for me hit the follow and subscribe button for me make sure you're following me i just shared a link and jerry miller now i'll also share it in the comment section of i love seville now i love

seville facebook this link tracks sales tax collection data i learned today from neal williamson that it does not include meals tax or lodging tax strictly sales tax it does include internet sales tax collection in the first quarter of this year 2025 versus the first quarter of last year Charlottesville city was down was down in its sales tax collection 2.53% some people would be like oh big deal it's 2.53% who cares but then you say you realize this and this is the point neil made 2024 the entire year of 20204 was down compared to 2023. So that is a data set and a concerning trend line.

When 2025 first quarter sales tax collection is down on Q1 of 2024 collection and Q1-2020 collection is down on 2023 collection, you have a concerning trend line. Now we also know that Bonnie and Reed, the restaurant is closed, that Alicazam is closed, that Tubbies is closed, that Blue Moon Diner is closed, that 10,000 village is closed, that Aljo's is close, Mooses by the Creek is closed, Reed's grocery store is closed, Guadalajara Fontaine Avenue is close, Little Johns is close, Belmont Pizza is close, Al-A-Kazam is closed.

Those are all in 2025 or in the data set period that is not yet registered. So as Neil said this morning, we're about to be at the half-time report with sales tax collection. And what's happening is the Office of Economic Development in City Hall, led by Chris Engel, they're touting a vacancy rate on the downtown mall of about one point, two points, something in that range, a very low vacancy rate. But the story that they're missing is this. The vacancies that are being filled on the downtown mall are being filled by entities that should be downtown. Should the Charlottesville Redevelopment and Housing Authority that handles public housing and vouchers be in one of the most critical buildings on the downtown mall?

No, their office closes at 5 p.m. And how much revenue are they bringing in? It generates no revenue except for real estate taxes. That's not sales tax collection. We're also looking at... Should Operation Hope, the entity that assimulates convicts into society be located as a storefront on the downtown mall? in the former Bashir's

restaurant location No does that generate sales tax revenue Are the CRHA storefront and the entity that assimilates convicts into society drivers of foot traffic

advantageous foot traffic for the economy of Charlottesville see these are the questions we ask on the program. I don't care if you agree with me. I don't care if you disagree with me. But you're going to effing feel something when you watch this show, and you're going to talk about it. My standpoint, and I don't hide my opinion, that's why you watch the program. The Charlestville Redevelopment and Housing Authority, the foot traffic gets driving, does not meet what the business district of downtown Charlestville should be, nor the convicts to assimilation society

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I was asking chat GPT some questions, and it was interesting. It popped out a graph for me showing that after, obviously, there was a downturn during COVID. But the year after, there was an upturn. Now I feel terrible. Is Pito still there? Yeah. I think they're waiting. Welcome in.

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Yesterday was an hour with the police chief without stopping. You were in the middle of talking about sales tax collection data. That pizza smells so good. We will get Pepitos on the show. So, yeah. So obviously there was a downturn. during COVID. It turned back up briefly for like a year and it's been in a downtrend again in the last, I think it was 24 was the last year that it showed. So it's been a downtrend for a year

or two now. What is city council doing about this? I have been highlighting this on our platform for years. There's two people, I'll give you, I'll include you. There are three people in Charlottesville, Virginia, that are willing to speak about this vocally Greer Ackinback, and she's paid to do it. Me and Judah, who are not paid to do it. Three people who are talking about how Matthew Gilligan, Nikail Walker, and Stephen Johnson, I'll even throw the folks at the haven from some of the stuff that I'm hearing with an exit acquisition number

at $5 million to stop what they're doing despite market value not being near that. You say and do what you want with that. It's what, 3X? I say and do what you want viewers and listeners with that. All I'm saying is $5 million if you want us to stop what we're doing here. even though market does not suggest

that's the value of the real estate and certainly no one's buying the brand. So here's the thing. I also asked it to project if the downtown mall were to regain its former glory and you could, you projected the

income from taxes that would be brought in from the downtown mall to, you know, from the point where the downtown mall was doing well to today, that's probably going to be an extra, and I'm not like trying to say that I've got all the numbers right or anything like that. Too many words to make your point.

But the point is that money that we're missing out on tax revenue from the downtown mall could go towards helping the house list. 100%. Jesus Christ, ladies and gentlemen, here's what he's trying to say. a strong economy that yields incremental sales tax revenue can be allocated to any endeavor you want if you're city council. How's that for succinct? I'll say it again. See the force through the trees, local leadership and government. If you have an economy that's clicking on all cylinders and performing well, and you have more sales tax collection, meals tax, lodging tax, sales tax, any kind of effing tax, real estate tax, property tax, you can

take that money and build shelters. You can take that money and create addiction counseling, alcohol counseling, drug counseling, resume building services, lodging, computer labs. You can get the homeless out of the public library where parents

are afraid to take their kids to the library on Market Street. And you can do it without raising taxes on retail rooftops. It's so obvious. I'm literally dealing, I'm literally living in a world in a community of utter incompetence. It is so effing obvious.

Connect the dots here. Here's how you connect the dots. Five people on the dais. A, you're going to have to stand up against the backlash of the Gillicott gang. They're going to hurl nasty words at you. No matter what. You're in a tough spot here.

But if you get some balls and stand up, you say we are going to have an ordinance where you can't camp anymore publicly and we're going to work quickly to build a low barrier shelter. Even if we have to staff it ourselves

but we prefer to do it with a non-profit or for-profit entity that we're willing to pay to staff it. This gets the camps and the campers from staying on the downtown mall in the business district and it goes to the shelters which is better quality of life.

for them? Air condition, computers, showers, laundry, addiction counseling, public transportation on a bus line. Then the business district starts seeing increased foot traffic. Bonnie and Reeds don't close. Al-Qazams don't close. Commonwealth Skybar opens. Draft tap room opens. Real estate has more value. Tenets are willing to lease empty real estate. Real estate tax collection goes up. Sales tax collection goes up, meals tax collection goes up, lodging taxing goes up. People stay at the hotels. The downtown gets a brand again like it had before COVID. Notoriety, media, prestige.

That notoriety, media, and prestige attracts more people. And it's a cyclical positive domo effect that leads to enhanced cash coffers. Cash in coffers. the enhanced cash in the coffers can be allocated and utilize any way you want. More homeless shelters, more addiction counseling, more computer labs, more resume building, more drug counseling, more laundromats. Am I, are you not seeing the easiest path of solving this problem ever? Juan Diego Wade, Brian Pick, well, Brian Pixston, I'm sorry, you had your chance four years. You only got three months left.

your Wikipedia page is going to be clouded and crowded with this. Juan Diego Wade, Lloyd Snook, Michael Payne, Natalie Orshan, and Jen Fleischer, you have a chance to make an impact and have a pretty solid legacy in Wikipedia page that your grandchildren are going to read about. Unless you want to stand on the, unless you want to stand on the fact that all we need is more housing and a shelter, neither of which are... Instead, what the nub nuts do, instead what the numnuts and the buffoons do is this.

Oh, my gosh. There's 142 people yelling at me right now. I know, I know, I know, I know I told the police chief and the city manager and the city ordinance to draft this ordinance. I know I did. But I don't want to tell these people in this room that it was me who told them to get the ordinance going. and I'm just going to be quiet and sit on my hands and put my head down and say, please, please, please, please, to try to keep people in check because I don't want them angry with me. I'm going to just leave my police chief who's done more things positive for this community in the last two years, two and a half years, three years than anybody. I'm just going to leave him alone on an island as if he's Tom Hanks and Wilson.

and I'm going to let people call them a fascist and cuss them out and interrupt him and humiliate and embarrass him. I'm going to let Greer Ackinback who's just trying to stand up for the business community get bazooked and nuclear bombed, hurled insults at, called a fascist and nasty, nasty names, and I'm going to say nothing. I'm the moderator of the meeting, and all I'm going to say is, please, please, please, to try to keep people in check. and then I'm going to table indefinitely a houseless ordinance

that I told the people to create in the first place and I'm going to base it on the premise that we don't have a shelter so we don't know they're going to go when in April we already knew they didn't have a shelter we already knew in April that they weren't going to have a shelter and they straight up said it was going to take a year to build one and in September when it was presented that's just a few months after April

we are in baffling We are in, oh, gosh. And you know what? You know who's to blame? You know who's to blame? It's not the guy who goes, please, please, please, please. It's not the guy who just moved out of his mother's basement. It's not the gal who's living in the city who's trying to tell the community that we need a road diet,

and we need people to ride their bikes and walk everywhere to and from work, even though she's selling $500,000 weddings in North Garden. It's not the guy who works for the University of Virginia, whose legacy is going to be tarnished, and it's not even my friend who's down the hallway for me, who's in his second term and is not a lot of good for this community. The people that are to blame are the people that put these people in office that are voting and acting this way. It's you and me. Well, it's not me and you. I live in Almar County.

So do I. I live in Almar. I chose to live in Ivy for a reason. It's far away from this. Oh, you can say, well, you're running, I love Seville, and you're right in the eye of the storm. I'd be like, I know. God, what am I doing? There's only so much you can do when you're 18 years into running something. It's not like you can recreate it again.

Please, please, please. If one way does that again at the next meeting where there's chaos like that and all he does is please, please, please. Yeah. I have pizza to eat. Oh, yeah, I'd almost forgotten about that. We need to go make some money. Jim Hinchley said, Judah, the owner of the property has the right to prevent the unpermitted use of the property as an encampment.

How are they going to do that? It's Almore County's property. They can have their own ordinance. Don't sleep on our city office building. How long do you think that's going to take for them to... Almoreal County would bust balls on this. You think they'd come out with it? And so are they going to send?

If 240 homeless people, because Judah Whitcower, who's got a following in this community and just freshly got a haircut, tells the 240 homeless to go sleep in the county office building, Alborough County is going to come out with the order and is going to say, you can't do that. I'm putting the green on the screen again. Jim Hingley also says this. Lloyd Snook referenced in encampment where water and sanitation could be made available. Put it down by the river at Wendell Woods property. that's going to catch me some grief and then the fixer the fixer sends me this

don't forget the trailer park that they bought that they will never develop either the Carlton trailer park the Nakaya Walker's of the Gilliken gang bullied the city into offering a bridge loan to Habitat for Humanity and PHA to buy a trailer park to prevent housing from happening

explain to me why the same effing people in this community. I need your help understanding this. Can you help me understand this? Can you tell him a bit fired up today? Explain to me how the same people in our effing community are screaming, we need more density and we need more housing. But when

the density in the housing and the shelters materialize, those people say it can't happen in Fifeville where the co-chair of Livable Seville lives. It can't happen in the trailer park in Carleton, and it can't happen in the banks of the Rivana River, or it can't happen in the

site that's overlooking West Haven. This housing can only happen in the Blue Ridge neighborhood, and the rugby neighborhood, and the North Downtown neighborhood, on Locus Avenue, in Greenbrier. It can't happen in Fife Hill. Can't happen in Star Hill.

Can't happen in West Haven. Can't happen on Cherry Avenue. Can't happen in Hogg Waller. Indecisiveness. It's like someone saying... It's not indecisiveness. It's not indecisiveness. That's the wrong word. It's strategic. because they have an agenda for the housing to happen in a population of people that are historically affluent and historically homogenous in color.

The reality is marketplace dynamics will never allow that kind of housing to be built because the dirt is entirely too expensive. And the folks that live in those areas have covenants and restrictions in a lot of cases to prevent the development from happening. They will always go to the path of lease resistance, which in this case is the cheapest dirt purchasable. especially with the cost of everything else. And this is 70 minutes of content that you will get nowhere else in Central Virginia. You will not like what I say. You will not agree with what I say.

You may like what I say. You may agree with what I say, but you're going to feel something every show. You're going to feel something every show, and that's why you watch. And no one else is giving you this. And that's why the Papito's team comes by here with two pieces for Judah and I.

And yes, we're going to get them on the show, and yes, they're going to have the best signage in the business thanks to Sir Speedy of Central Virginia. And if they need sanitary and cleaning needs, John Vermillion and Andrew Vermillion and Charlesville Sanitary Supply will have them cover. That's the Friday show. UVA, NC State, 12 o'clock Saturday, ESPN2, Wolfpack, three and a half point favorite. Huge game for Tony Elliott.

Huge game for Tony Elliott. And bowl eligibility in keeping his job. Huge game for the community. Economic development, huge. Judah Wickhauer, Jerry Miller, I'm eating pizza. Thank you.