The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - What Local-To-CVille F&B Brand Would You Franchise?; Crozet Development Vs. 5th St/Avon AlbCo Dev

Episode Date: October 28, 2025

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Welcome to the I Love Seville Show, guys. My name is Jerry Miller. Thank you kindly for joining us. A pleasure to connect with you guys through the I Love Seville Network. Today's show airs live wherever you get your social media, your podcasting content. We're on every single platform. And the show is for your enjoyment in real time or an evergreen nature on demand. I'm excited to connect with you guys

through the I Love Seville Network on a show presented today by Conan Owen and Surre Speedy of Central Virginia. Conan Owen and Surveedie of Central Virginia are just a fantastic business development partner. I sincerely mean that. The banner that's directly behind me, it's called

a Step and Repeat. It's a Sirspeedy of Central Virginia, step and repeat banner. The window, the vinyl window signage on our storefront, our storefront windows, SurSpeed of Central Virginia. They're helping us manage the signage for 24 tenants in our real estate commercial portfolio and a number of our clients outside of our building on Market Street that we're helping from a brand

strategy consultation standpoint to help them gain market share. Conan Owen's a Darded graduate. He's a guy that you can trust to grow and build your small business. A lot we're going to cover on the broadcast today. I'm going to ask you the viewer and listen to to this question. If there's a brand locally, local to Charlestville, Charlestville Food and Beverage Business, that you would pick to franchise and try to grow Virginia-wide, Mid-Atlantic-Wide, East Coast-wide, national-wide, globally-wide, which brands would you put on a short list? Judah's come up with probably number one, bodos, the volume of color. customers they're doing at BOTOS is a lot of dough figuratively and metaphorically for their owners.

We're going to talk what else is on that short list. I think Riverside goes on there, but as part of what makes Riverside great, it's nostalgia, it's old school charm that would be difficult to scale through like flare and through aesthetic and through design and functuary. Like what makes Riverside so great on High Street is when you walk in and you see the ceiling tiles have stains and the booths haven't been changed and it's the same staff, it's the same flat top, it's the same bathrooms, it's the same menu, it's the same quirky parking lot. How would you conceivably scale that? I can see how you could scale and franchise Bodos. Yeah, and Smashburgers aren't exactly.

Are you two-shot it? Are you the voice of God right there? smash burgers are franchisable there's smash burgers everywhere and anywhere shake shack is a good example that's the problem oh you're saying well you're not saying

the bagel category is saturated no I don't know that I've I don't know that I've ever seen a place like Bodos I mean there are obviously places where you can get bagels or bagel sandwiches but

uh I'm Goldberg's bagels is a perfect example. A New York favorite. Locations in the Hampton, South Hampton, we go there often. Einstein Brothers Bagels is another one. There's franchise bagels. What's that? Where's Einstein? I've just never, I mean, I've never seen bagel sandwiches as a thing by itself. Panera bread has bagel sandwiches. Do they? Yeah. I don't go to Panera. Now, to your point, there's no bagel-centered businesses. yeah there's bakery centered businesses okay but no bagel centered great harvest has bagel

sandwich is great harvest a fantastic client of the show we help them purchase the current owners of great harvest we help them purchase their uh the uh the business from ilene the previous owner chris and tracy crowley are fantastic and they've uh keep a lookout on chris and tracy opening a second location in the very near future which we're we're helping with um we're going to talk about all these topics and more today on the program. We're going to talk Virginia footballs. They travel to Cal. They are a multi-point favorite as they go, ladies and gentlemen, across the country. Like the show, share the show, help us spread the gospel. This topic came up on yesterday's program, which surprisingly drew a lot of interest.

I kind of teased it on yesterday's show. Why is development, housing development, in the Croze area, now Kaiboshed and no in my backyard, NIMBY fashion, while development down Fistrate extended and Avon extended is far from Kaiboshed and seems to be almost ramrodded. I'll have that, try to answer that question on today's program. For those that live in Crozet, they're like Jerry, there's so much development here. What are you talking about?

It's been throwing and ramrodded down our throat. My point is over the last 12 to 24, 36 months, Crozations have done a very good job of knowing my back yarding development where Southside Charlesville, Avon extended, Fifth Street extended, Judah lives down there. Judah's parents live down there, Avon and Fifth Street extended. They're pretty much like, either are they in tune with what's happening or do they not care with what's happening? That topic on today's program.

Judah, I ask you this question every day. Which headline most intrigues you and why? I like the discussion of which brand you can franchise. I'd like to hear other people's thoughts. Obviously, Boto's and Riverside are not the only nice brands, good brands in Charlottesville. I'm sure there are certainly others that people feel would make good nationwide businesses. Deep Throat says, weirdly, I've invested in two bagel businesses in my life. One was a literal bagel, zero recovery, even though it was touted all over the place as the best bagels in Philly.

The other one never got to opening because it turned out by accident the promoters leased with option to buy a location that turned out to be the last piece of assemblage project by a big developer. So it was sold for a big profit, but never a bagel boiled. Boto's has got three locations. Technically, they're kind of flirting with franchising. At one time, each of those three locations owned by three different people, now those three locations owned by two people. They serve very distinct populations of Charlottesville or portions of the population. the corner students hospital workers workers and faculty maybe some tourists

Preston Avenue and Route 29 very distinct customer bases with some overlap but not probably a tremendous amount of overlap we will talk we will talk this story on the program but first I want to lead with the Al Morrow County storyline from yesterday that's got some people talking I've been told Almaro County, specifically Crozay versus Southside Charlottesville, and Southside Charlestville should be defined by what, Judah? Should be...

Fifth Street extended and Avon extended, let's call it, Southside Charlottesville. Okay. Is that... How well connected to those? What do you mean? I mean... You've been down Fifth Street extended, and Avon extended, right? Yeah.

But there's not really a whole lot of crossover once you... get uh once you get closer to i mean there's obviously you can go through the uh the fifth street parking lot uh but where else cherry avenue connects there cherry connects fifth and avon and the early parts of fifth and avon yeah the early you can go down the end of fifth and avon and link that way is that 20 that links those roads those are connected they're parallel there are stones throw apart they're very similar in nature and goodness gracious fifth street and avon are ramrodded with housing development juda wickhauer we're going to talk about why it seems the development seems to be pushed down the throat of avon and fifth street without much resistance where the development of late that's being

pushed down croix's throat is featuring very organized and strategized resistance now before i offer commentary before you offer your thoughts. I will say this. Crozé 20 years ago. I got here in the summer of 2000 as the first year at the University of Virginia. I'm now 25 years living in this area. Don't recognize Crozay. Old Trail, ramrodden development, the Jessup family, the massive land and acreage owner in Crozay, the Bates family, I believe, start started the development. The Bates family has since ceded the development of Old Trail to other interested parties. The Old Trail development, if you had told me, you know, 20 to 25 years ago, that Crozé would look like what it is today, I would say you're full of the doo-doo.

A microcosm of Crozay's evolution or Crozay's change might be the Western Amour football team. I first started working in media as a rising third year at the University of Virginia. This was before my third year started. So this was circa 2002. And circa 2002, no, circa 2002, I was looking to pay my way through college, books, tuition, board, have some spending money, doing anything possible, waiting tables at Ruby Tuesdays at Barracks Road, believe is chopped salad, working day bartender at Ruby Tuesdays at Barracks Road, hustling foosball and pool at the Greenskeeper and other places, playing in poker games,

running a sports book, just being an entrepreneur. I also had an affinity for sports. It was pretty good at writing, so I randomly walked into the Daily Progress, saw Jerry Rackleff, the Virginia Sports Hall of Famer on the star of the Jerry and Jerry Show, sitting at his cubicle, and I walked in with some creative writing clips and said, I'd like to write sports for you. He was sitting there eating a big bacon, classic from Wendy's, enjoying Coca-Cola and eating some French fries while sitting at his computer screen, turned over, said, hmm, you got any clips?

I said, none sports-related, but I have this creative writing piece about a mission trip I took to Mexico that helped me get into the University of Virginia as my essay. he said, let me read it. Read the essay on the spot, said, you're pretty good at this. Gave me a shot as a sports writer where I was working for $30 a story, my first assignment covering the Covenant Girls volleyball team, private school covenant. And that $30 a story part-time gig turned into a handful of years of working as a sports writer. I remember covering Western Aboral High School football early in my career.

the fall of 2002. And in the fall of 2002, which was roughly 23 years ago, Steve Isaacs was the head football coach. One of the stars of that football team, Chad Wood, watches this program routinely. And Steve Isaacs, his Western MLMR football team, was the class, the pinnacle, the top of the Jefferson District. They ran a single-wing offense, misdirection offense, behind an offensive line. that was bruising. They were country strong, the Western Amar Offensive line.

Brian Leskinik was the star on this football team. He ended up being a preferred walk-on at the University of Virginia than transferred to James Madison University, I believe. They won Jefferson District Championships. Steve Isaacs was the talk and toast of Friday Night Lights and the Jefferson District. And you watched Western Amaral Football in 2002, 2003, 2004 under Steve Isaacs, and you saw a program that was absolutely proliferated with country-strong

football players. Now you look at Western Amarro football, and they could never run that offense. What was once football players that drove to practice in Ford F-150s and Chevy Silveradoes lifted while blasting Garth Brooks is now a football team that is proliferated with football players that drive Jeep Cherokees and Toyota Grand Highlanders and BMWx-5s, BMWX-7s, and mommy and daddy's hand-me-down, Volvos. It's a completely different socioeconomic demographic that's part of this football team. And why I'm kind of telling this story to the viewers and listeners, 22 years ago, 20 years ago, 19, 18, 18 years ago,

heck, probably 17, 16 years ago, Western's football team was just a blue-collar guys that smashed mouth you in the face. Now Western's football team is not country strong. They're instead football players that are moonlighting that are really lacrosse and football players and golfers and tennis players and soccer players, not football focused, but guys that are pretty good athletes that aren't country strong, but they're wearing pads and a helmet. And it's a microcosm, a little boogie. It's a little boogie. I mean, they call Western Amarro a stab at West for a reason, right? And it's a microcosm of what's happened in Crozet. So I tell this story because Crozations who watch and listen to the show will be like, Jerry, what are you talking about?

We've been ramrodded with development. And this is a completely different community, a completely different community than what it was. Okay. will say this over the last 24, 36 to 48 months, so two to four years, maybe, call it five years. Crozé, Crozations have done a really good job of organizing, strategizing, and galvanizing against development and have embodied a knot in my backyard mindset, which is contrary to the designated growth area of what Crozay is supposed to be. They're supposed to have this development. It's supposed to be this congested. It's supposed to have this many roof. It's supposed to have this many rooftops. Maybe they've surpassed capacity, but this is where the growth was supposed to

happen. You contrast that with Avon extended and Fifth Street extended where your parents live, and you don't see the same, not in my backyard resistance. You don't see the same galvanization against development. If 165 units like Cavalier Crossing, which is now what, a stain on fifth, a taint on fifth, the joke that we have on this program, the only, Owners, an out-of-market real estate investment trust is going before planning commission and the board of supervisors. We have planning commissioners and supervisors watching the program now. And this out-of-market real estate investment trust, REIT from Northern Virginia, is going to ask the planning commission and the board of supervisors to give us the green light to build 165 additional units

at the old cavalier crossing location, now called a Tain on Fifth, stupid name. And what's probably going to happen is it's going to be met with very little resistance. at the Planning Commission in the public portion comment or at the supervisor meeting in the public portion comment and this is going to be rubber stamped. This will be rubber stamp.

If this same 165 multifamily units had come to Crozé in any capacity, every Tom Dick and Harry, every Volvo, every Prius, every Subaru, every X7, every Highlander, every forerner,

every Cherokee would be in attendance speaking before the commission of the supervisors saying you cannot allow this you won't allow this if you do we will string you up in effigy and I ask this question to you the viewer and listener why the difference I ask you Judah why the difference

I would say community I don't know that all of Crozet is a what do you call it a block a but I think there's enough of them that they can they can

you know grab the pitchforks and and get some stuff done whereas Fifth Street Avon what's the

community connection there? I feel like it's too diverse of a of a group of people without any without the what's the word I'm looking for without the identity

of having a name like Crozay that's fair Crozations what do you call people on Avon and Fifth Street extended there's no real Southsiders maybe

I think that's a fair argument you have you have in Crozay a massive neighborhood and old trail that's HOA where down Avon and 5th Street

you have pretty large neighborhoods Redfields Mountain Valley Farm Oak Hill Oak Valley

what's the one right next to Redfields The Woodlands is another one Mill Creek Lake Renovia is it Fox Craw

Fox Chase over there on Avon extended but there's a bunch of splintered HOAs Yeah, they're diverse, and I don't feel there's any real identity connection there between a lot of those people.

You also have had in Scottsville, the Scottsville District Supervisor, Almore County Board of Supervisor Representative, the Scottsville District. The last few terms, Mike Pruitt is in the office now. Donna Price was the previous Almorel County Board of Supervisors from the Sconsville District. Let me see if I can find some other ones. was very pro-housing. Amore County Board of Supervisors, Scottsville District

Representatives. Mike Pruitt's pro-housing. Neil Williamson's watching the program. Who are some of the other ones that have represented the Scottsville District on the Amore County Board of Supervisors? The last two off the top of my head, and I should know further back,

Donna Price and Mike Pruitt have been pro-housing. the Crozay Whitehall representative Anne Malick certainly not pro-housing Neil Williamson makes this comment former White Hall Planning Commissioner Tom Loach eight years on the White Hall seat never voted in favor of the development project

in Crozay he voted in favor elsewhere but never in Crozay you have a much larger Hispanic community down Avon extended Fifth Street extended than you do in Crozay perhaps this much larger Hispanic community English as a second language community

is not as in tune with day-to-day government as some that you have in Crozay. You have more retirees in Crozay that can follow government. Neil Williamson says, Scottsville District, Lindsay Doria, Chris Dumbler, Chris Dumbler did not finish his term

because of brouhaha with the law, right? The folks Thank you, Carol Thorpe. The folks that live in Crozet now are opposing everything. Yeah. The folks that live Fifth Street and Almaro extended, Fifth Street and Avon extended, are opposing nothing. Yeah, I don't think there's just not a... And you could say the infrastructure down Fifth Street extended and Avon extended is worse off than the infrastructure in Crozee right now.

Really? Kale Elementary Mountain View is... beyond capacity. Somehow they've greenlit a Wawa next to a Tiger Fuel, next to a 5th Street station shopping asphalt epicenter. They have similar challenges with entry and exit, limited roadway going in and out of 5th Street and Avon extended. Crozet's got the same situation. Croze would never have green lit some of this development that we've seen in 5th Street and Avon Accented. Certainly

not these 165 apartments that are going to go and probably get rubber stamped. If you were a betting man, would you say the buck 65 would be approved with Calf Crossing? Yeah, probably. I would too. I would absolutely say it. How would you

oppose it, though? What would be the argument? Just that infrastructure's not there. We've got... Schools at capacity. Roads don't can't accommodate this demand. Fire and rescue can't get there. We're strangled and throttled with quality of life. I also think that you have a socioeconomic, you know,

situation from a wealth standpoint. A wealth opposes development. Croze is wealthier than Fifth Street and Avon extended. All these factors are creating an interesting dichotomy with these two little pockets of Valmore County that are both designated growth areas. How about this one? Fifth Street extended and Avon extended

are in the urban ring and their political ideologies are very similar to Charlottesville's which are activists and very left-leaning. Crozze while leaning left from center, not certainly as far left as Avon and Fifth Street extended. The Charlottesville bleed over, city bleed over an ideology

with Fifth Street and Avon extended? I mean, Fifth Street and Avon extended. extended are Charlottesville city ideology. You run for the Scottsville District seat, the Board of Supervisors. Ladies and gentlemen, that Mill Creek voting block, which is Avon and Fifth Street Extended, will determine most likely who wins that race. The equation to win the Scottsville District Supervisor's seat is this. You can crush and dominate voter turnout in the Fifth Street, Avon extended voting

block, and if you're going to do that, you're going to be very left-leaning. Mike Pruitt's a great example. Donald Price is a great example. If you are opposite that ideology, if you're more centered or even right, you're going to have to dominate Glenmore, dominate the town of Scottsville floating blocks, and hope you don't get annihilated in the Mill Creek voting block. Very interesting. Spencer Puscher, you missed a lot. We love when you watch the program, Spencer. Jameson, Jane Dittmar finish Chris Dumbler's term. He's exactly right. Viewers and listeners, let us know your thoughts.

We'll put them in the feed. Anything you want to add? I would suggest to your parents who live down this area that they should be extremely mindful that 165 apartments are being built next to their gorgeous and beautiful house on acreage. I'll let them know. I doubt they're going to... They don't care. There it is right there.

You have retirees that will probably... Okay. You have retirees that may not do anything. First, the same retirees in Crosay would do something. Lonnie Murray watching the program. He says this year's Western team has really improved dramatically. I don't know what the coach is doing, but it's working. They have improved dramatically.

But it's interesting how Western has gone from the Penn House, how they were in the early 2000s under Steve Isaacs and early Ed Pierce era to outhouse. for the last five or six years. Lonnie Murray says, I'll say, though, that Western does have some really excellent teams outside of football. Yes, they do. Cross country, lacrosse, soccer, swimming, golf.

I know this inside and out. So what Western athletic teams do well? You don't even need to know the sports to know this answer. I'm the one person to ask. You don't even need to know the sports to know the center. You're talking about the country club sports? There you go. Western is good at the country club.

sports. Stabb West. Western is one of the best tennis programs in the Commonwealth

of Virginia. Western Gulf. Western lacrosse. Western Cross Country. Lacrosse and

soccer. Swimming. These are there was at a time where Western was the dominant football

team where boys and jacked up Silveradoes in F-150s pound in Budweiser after football games going to bonfires and fields

sitting around fires till midnight or one in the morning slugging Bud heavies that was the way of life now the way of life is pack the X7 or the X5 or the Eddie Bauer

Grand Cherokee and drive to a $1.3 million tricked out basement party where you're watching a big screen and your earbuds are and you're on your iPhones. We're in Louis Vuitton, Roeback,

and Vineyard Vines instead of Carhart, overalls, and what's another country brain? I'm running it. Help me out. Carol Thorpe says they might as well rename the Scottsville District, the Mill Creek District. 100% right,

Carol Thorpe, quite ejection. Spencer Pushard. I can foresee. Avon extended, maybe even Scottsville Road being four lanes by the time I retire. That would be an absolute travesty to have Scottsville Road four lanes, but Spencer Pushard

I'm not a put, I'm not I agree with what you're saying. Why would that be a travesty? I mean, the pros of making Scottsville Road four lanes is it would make it safer. Yeah. And 20 into Scottsville is a

death trap. stuck behind whoever's going 25 miles per hour. It's an absolute deaf trap driving 20 Scottsville, especially at night when you know a boatload of those folks driving 20 Scottsville have been partaking. I mean, it is a deaf trap. I get the four lanes would make it safer. Even three. But at the same time, you're going to carve up a piece of southern Almaro County that is God's country. And a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a focus by government to keep it green space.

I don't know if you've realized, you have realized, I don't know if you've realized viewers and listeners, but the older I've gotten, and I've gone from 18-year-old living here to now husband, father of two, business owner, mortgage, focus on retirement,

what my legacy is for my kids are. So we've gone from 18, closing down the bars, chasing girls, getting after it, waking up at 11 in the morning, to waking up at 5.30 in the morning, going to, I still go to bed at like midnight. I sleep like five hours a night. So I'm going to bed at midnight, but not closing the bars down. And my mindset's just shifted, and I just like, I like the green space, the quality of life. I the traffic is insane the impact it's having on on driving anywhere you could there was a time before COVID where you could get anywhere in this community in less than 10 minutes try that now how long before COVID was outside of Route 29 you could have gotten anywhere in this community before COVID

in less than 10 minutes outside of this community oh come on viewers and listeners know exactly what I'm talking about there were times it took me more than 10 minutes just to get out of barracks road When did you go to Barracks Road? Barrack's Road Shopping Center. This is back when, I don't know, back when I was working for someone else, I don't remember. I just remember that I... You've been working here for 16 years. Yeah?

There was a time before then. There was a time before me? Yeah. And one time I went into Barracks Road shopping center to look for some lunch and quickly realized my mistake and spent the next 10 minutes trying to get out. All right. Comments coming in quickly. John Blair, this is right up his alley. John Blair is a Southside Charlottesville Patriarch, family man. He says, Jerry, as you know, I believe AC-44 is the single worst comprehensive plan adapted and Almore County history. Massive mistakes about. But here are the numbers that this document states for household median income. $141,000 for the Western Ridge, West Hall census track. 74,000 for Oak Hill and Southwood. Wow.

Now, that 74,000 is impacted, and the 74,000 is Avon Fist Street extended. That's median family household income right there. That's 74,000 is impacted by Southwood dramatically. Yeah. Impacted by Southwood dramatically. And the 141,000 for Crozet, call it, is, has been driven by the quality of Western schools, has been driven by an old trail neighborhood

that's built around a golf course and live, work, play. Southside Charlottesville doesn't have an old trail that it can hang its hat on. The closest thing that Southside Charlestville has to, an old trail that it can hang its hat on, is what? I don't know. Mosby Mountain? Yeah, maybe, but that's a very small population.

Not even close to Old Trail. Not even... Not even, what, 10, 15% of Old Trail, Mosby Mountain? If you compound Mosby Mountain with Redfields and with Oak Hill, is it O'Kill, what's the one next to Redfields? I used to live in Redfields on Rockledge Drive. How do I not remember this? You're talking about the newer construction? I don't know.

You should know this. What is the one, John, that is right next to Redfields? How do I not know this? O'Kill. Isn't it O'Kill? I think it's O'Kill. Those are 750,000 to like a million one homes. If you combine Mosby Mountain Mountain Valley Farm, O'Kill, and Redfields,

you're not even close to flirting with Old Trail. Yeah, probably not. what are your thoughts viewers and listeners put them in the feed i'll relay i'm live on air georgia gilmer says absolutely jerry and yes judah he's right 10 to 12 minutes to most anywhere before covid but not anymore uh carol thorpe says jerry you're maturing congratulations i wish more people in our area would try it spencer pushard AC-44, any update that you know of about the development south of I-64 and Route 29. I'll ask around about that, Spencer Push-Rour.

I respect you, Spencer Push-Rard. Lonnie Murray says, as I understand, Judah, you cannot make Scottsville Road four lanes. Actually, that was Lynn Snyder that said that, not Lonnie Murray. Lonnie Murray says, more lanes does not make traffic better. It usually makes traffic worse. It's a pretty well-study phenomenon. Now he's getting into the Natalie Oshran road diet conversation. The old road diet from Natalie Osharin,

who drives from Charlottesville City where she's a counselor to Pippin Hill to sling $250,000 weddings. You don't think I should bring that up. You always cringe when I bring that up. As you cringe when I used to say Michael Payne lives in his parents' basement, which he did. I've been told he's moved out of his parents' basement now, though.

That's good news. You don't think I should bring up that Natalie Oshrin, who is a bike and pedestrian advocate, who ran a campaign on bicycle and pedestrian safety, and ran a campaign on road diets, narrowing roads, and taking away the emphasis of vehicles on city roads,

just happens to get in her car, to drive to North Garden, to sling $250,000 weddings at Pippin Hill? I think there's a difference between wanting to take away the focus on cars while understanding that people do still need to drive and like pretending you're for like

the environment and lower emissions and stuff like that while owning a private plane and flying literally every where you go. The King of Redfield's Bob Yarborough watching the program. Yes, you're right. It's Oak Hill. Homes are pushing well over a million dollars now.

Here's what's bananas. You can buy a home and old trail on a postage stamp lot. That's a million dollars plus. It's insane. Yeah. Even the attached housing stock and old trail is a million dollar,

flirting with a million dollars. Oh, my goodness. A million dollars just is not luxury anymore. The luxury threshold now in Outmorrow County is what? A million five, a million seven, two million? There's so much million five that has land that's going to need to be gutted. Comments are coming in quickly on this one. This is a topic that clearly's got a lot of people.

See, these are the kind of topics I want to do on the show. Oak Hill Farm, thank you, John Platt, that a lot of people can relate to. Deep Throat says this. He says, I love it when the same people say adding lanes doesn't reduce traffic, and of course, adding any housing supply increases affordability. Left brain doesn't know what the right brain is doing when you only have half a brain. Deep throat. For the record, full-brain answer is there as potential for induced demand in both the road and housing

contacts when considered locally. All right, next topic. It's the 115 market. What do you got, J-Dubs? Special B-O-V meeting on Monday. What's going on on Monday? They got two meetings. One meeting they've announced the agenda for,

we're going to whittle down the list for the next president at the University of Virginia. We know what one meeting is about. I'm here to tell you, if the board of visitors name, the president before Spamberger beats Winsom Earl Sears.

And one of the polls coming out says the Spamberger lead is seven points now. Yeah, down to seven. It was double digits. But the J. Jones texting fiasco has narrowed the Winston Earl Sears Spamberger race.

Our son watches YouTube, much to my wife's and I, disappointment. And Spamberger is ramrodding ads onto my kids. YouTube content, which makes

no sense because my kid is seven. Her algorithm and her ad team are choosing to ramrod ads for her campaign in front of a seven-year-old that's going to vote in 11 years. That is not money well spent. It's not money well spent. He gets in

the car the other day and said Dad Spamberger better not win. I said why. He goes, her commercials suck. That's literally what he said, and the back of the Ford Explorer. I'm like, who do you want to win? He goes, Earl Sears.

I said, why? He goes, because she has less commercials on YouTube. I respected it. That's a consideration. You know, there have been times when I just said, you know what? I absolutely hate this company just because I keep being forced to watch their bloody commercials. We live in a world of commercialization. This is a commercial.

People don't know it. This is a commercial. We know one of the meetings on Monday is for the next president to whittled down the list. The other meeting has a nondescript agenda that they're not releasing. It's going to be held behind closed doors. Are we led to believe that this meeting, UVA on Monday with the B.O.V. is about the Kenter Prize, the white-collar racketeering with Craig Kent, as the focal point

or are we led to believe that this closed-door meeting is about Katrina Coulson and Change Your Sox Deeds? Is it about Jim Ryan? Is it about Trump and the Compact and the Mahoney Agreement? Why not all the above?

Is it all the above? It's only an hour on the agenda. Can't talk all those things. My bet it's the Kenner Prize. and the white-collar racketeering. What's your bet? I mean, you've got the director and vice-rector

who are both facing quite a bit of scrutiny from... Change your socks deeds. They're the ones that were asked the 46 ever-so-important questions. Philip Dow is convinced when some Earl Sears will win. Can we bet some scotch on this, Philip Dow? Philip Dow, I'll sweeten the bet for you.

Let's bet this. I will put up two bottles of scotch. Macallin 10 or older versus your one bottle of scotch, McAllen 10 or older. Two of my bottles versus one of your bottles. You have Sears, I have Spamberger. Are you taking that bet, Philip Dow? you're a gentleman you put yes in the comment section we have a gentleman's agreement bet my two bottles a mccallin scotch age 10 years at least first year one bottle you've taken that bet philip down

you got sears i got spam burger let's see what happens on monday my hunches that board of visitors meeting is on this white-collar racketeering lawsuit where the plaintiffs allege that kent's bullying his white-collar racketeering his medical charge changing his fraudulent billing he's the leader, was the leader of the UVA health system as the CEO. My bet is that's what this is about. Next topic, what do you got at the 119, Mark, or Judah Wickear? UVA receives another, oh wait, is this? What do you got? I don't think I got one of these in here. What local to Seville F&B brand? Let's talk

about that one. Did you launch the show with the wrong headlines? Just one. Goodness gracious, great balls and fire. That frustrates me so much. All right. The Board of Visitors, is it the... Is it, though, what brand local to Charlottesville

is best for franchising? Yeah. All right. Is the answer a slam dunk bodos? I'm emotionally and physically getting over that mistake right now. Is the brand, is the answer obvious, Bodos? Is that what we're going to say?

I think that's one of the best ones. I think you've come up with the best one. It's not just the, it's also what they serve. Like, I've never heard of a deli egg until I went to Bodos. But that also works against a franchise because that's going to require marketing to educate customers in other markets what a deliag is. That's fair, I think. But if you start the franchise and you get it, once you get people coming in,

you just focus something like the Deli Egg front and center so that you quickly, you know, first of all, the people coming in see it, and then if it's good enough, they start getting the word out. Word of mouth is a great way of building a brand. I will say one that's local that would make an incredible franchise

is Charlottesville Sanitary Supply. 61 consecutive years in business, John Vermillion and Andrew Vermillion, have built an institution. Charlottesville Sanitary Supply online at Charlesville Sanitary Supply.com. They are not a franchise. We are lucky to have them in Charlesville, Almar County, and Central Virginia. They have a mechanic on site to repair your vacuums. We suggest you buy the Mela vacuum at Charlestville Sanitary Supply, a mechanic to fix your pool cleaning robots and any sanitary supply need that you have. They have in-market free delivery.

Free delivery, day of delivery. Charlottesville Sanitary Supply on East High Street and Charlottesville Sanitary Supply.com for millions are awesome people. All right, my short list is the follows. John Blair says, Sparcos, the donut shop over there on Fontaine. It's called Barcos?

Sparcos. You know, the New Jersey donut shop? The caked donut? Yeah. That's a good one. That's a really good one. What else would you franchise viewers and listeners? A local to Charlottesville Food and Beverage brand.

What would you franchise? I said Riverside, but after further thought, I don't think Riverside would be good to franchise. Because it's that old-school charm that would be impossible to duplicate through design and flare and through functuary and through smoke and mirrors. You go into Riverside and it's the same boost, it's the same servers, it's the same stain ceiling, it's the same, you know, hard to franchise that. Andy McClure tried to scale Citizen Burger Bar to other markets. now down to one Citizen Burger Bar in the downtown mall.

He had Clared it in Northern Virginia. He had Richmond at one time. It was considering other locations, but it's now down to one Citizen Burger Bar. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of hard to sell Riverside as a Smashburger place when you've got a literal brand called Smash Burgers. What's Smashburger brand?

Exactly what it sounds like. There's a Smashburger's Food and Beverage franchise? We've eaten there in. New Jersey. I've seen them. I thought that was Shake Shack. No, that was Smash burgers. Okay. And I've seen them in airports. They're all over the place. So selling, trying to sell

smash burgers is, you know, it really has to have something special. You know, two of the two breakfast places we've had around here that I miss both of were I felt fairly unique as breakfast spots. were Bluegrass Grill and the recently closed Blue Moon Diner.

Those had some wonderful breakfast options. But Blue Grass Grill and Blue Moon Diner would be difficult to franchise. What you want to franchise is QSR, Quick Service, Fast Casual. That's the franchise play. Franchising sit-down is not a good play right now. now. QSR, fast casual is what you want to franchise. I would say Little Johns, but Little Johns has now failed twice. Okay. Is the second failure, Stefan Freeman, or is the second failure an indication that Little Johns is dead? Okay. QSR, fast casual franchise, that's the

tough one. El Carbone, although the, I think the owners of Al Carbone are trying to distance them. No, I think the Al Carbone owners are now trying to franchise the brand, and they They created the one, they rebranded the one by Coors Brothers on 29 North. El Corbone is one, right? Mudhouse is literally trying to either corporately scale or franchise. Mudhouse is one. The guy who bought Chantadoa Joes from Dave Fafara, the Darden graduate, is trying to turn Channadoa Joe's into the Starbucks of coffee.

Chandoah Joe's now, yeah, he's, Chandoah Joe is now owned by a Darden graduate and not Dave Fafara are below. loved friend. He made a killing, by the way, by exiting Shenandoah Joe's, Dave Farr. Great man. Great human. Love that guy. No doubt. Going to belly up to a bar and have a beer with him very soon, Dave Fafar.

Spudnots, Megan Hart says chaps ice cream. They're actually a bon roamer trying to franchise Chaps. Tony sold Chaps. He still maintains ownership of the real estate in the downtown mall, Tony. But he sold

chaps to an Asian family that has Darden School ties that is looking to franchise chaps. They are trying to franchise chaps as we speak. Conan Owen of Sir Speedy says Roots and Christian's Pizza. Christian literally franchised Christian. The original Christian's pizza owner franchised Christians. He did do that. The Christian's pizza, for instance, on Pantops, was a franchise.

and it was going to try to scale to Zion's crossroads, but the franchisee and Christian had a falling out because Christian said if you're going to Zion's crossroads, I want more another location payment, a payment for an additional location. And they were like, nah, dog, and then that's when they pieced out of Christians and made Lilo's pizza.

And then that's led to the demise of Lelos, and then whatever the brand that followed Lelos that I knew immediately wasn't going to work, where it was going to be like custom your own pizza, sell on expensive pizzas that were like pocket size, and now it's a dominoes on pants tops, which is a travesty. Roots is trying to franchise.

Actually, Roots is doing this as corporate-owned stores. Roots is UVA grads that are doing this. It's interesting, the beloved brands that are local to Charlottesville that are scaling are scaling because of UVA-infused talent and capital. Go ahead, Judah. Nothing. I was just saying that, so they're not franchising, they're just expanding. Well, if you franchise, you're selling basically the right, the playbook to somebody that's outside of your corporate, you know, hierarchy. Right.

And you're kind of giving them the playbook success. Roots is doing this by doing it with company money, corporate-owned stores. James Watson says sticks, Bill Hamilton, the guy behind Hamilton's, Bill. and Kate Hamilton are behind sticks. They have one in Richmond. That's correct. I believe there was another one, right? There's Preston Avenue sticks. There's Pantop sticks. Where was the other sticks? Wasn't there a third sticks, James, or is there still a third sticks? Or is it closed?

But there is one in Richmond. Brazos would be a great franchise. The guy who owns Brazos, one-time member of the Dave Matthews band, the Brazos owner. Peace out of the Dave Matthews band. because I don't think he saw the upside at the time. Fun little fact that a lot of people don't know. Anything you want to add to that, Judah Wickkever? I think you got the best one, BOTOS, by the way.

I mean, that was low-hanging fruit. It's not like I did any strenuous mental gymnastics picking BOTOS. It was still the right pick. Lonnie Murray. since 1977, with one exception, the incumbent president's party loses the Virginia governor's election the next year.

That's a great fact right there. Lonnie Murray, you make the program better. All right, it's 1.30, we've got to make some money. We, we, oh, Olivia Branch is correcting me. She says, weddings cost more than $250,000 at Pippin. So, Natalie Ostrin, getting in her Prius to drive

from the city of Charlottesville to Pippin Hill to sling 300,000, 400,000 plus weddings. That's like when Mike Signer was on city council and Mike Signer was working for Willow Tree, negotiating a deal to bring one of Charlottesville's largest employers away from the downtown mall as its general council to the woolen mills and the wool factory. Mike Signer, a city councilor and the general council of Willow Tree,

negotiated a deal to bring to send a business to send out of Charlottesville one of the key firms on the downtown mall over the city line into the county to the wool factory Natalie Oshran while not a significance at Mike

Signer a counselor negotiating a deal to send hundreds of employees out of the city to the county. Natalie Osharin pimping road diets bicycle and pedestrian safety while getting at her Prius to drive to Almaro County to sling $300,000 wedding for the tax revenue of Almaral's behalf.

Curtis Schaver says sticks. Curtis would know. He says there was one at William and Mary, but it closed. Ah, thank you. Thank you, Chris. Love Curtis. Can we get Curtis's photo on screen? It's one of my favorite photos of any viewer

and listener that watches the show. Anytime I see this picture of Curtis Shaver, is it on screen? Just... Anytime I see this picture of Curtis Shaver, I get happy and I get happy, and I smile. Look at that photo.

Is that not a great photo? That is. That's a great photo. Look at the screen. Look at the screen. Viewers and listeners, look at the screen for the one and only Curtis Shaver. I've always been curious about where that photo was taken. Curtis, where was this photo taken?

Looks like a... Are you holding a golf club right there, Curtis? It looks like he's got a golf club and he's sitting in a, I don't know what, a Russian bathhouse? He's sitting in a Russian. With his clothes on, Judah? Well, you know, they cleared out when they heard that Curtis was coming. With his clothes on in a Russian bad house? I don't know.

I'm just saying what I think it looks like. It's 131. Where is that photo taking, Chris? We got to get out of here. We got work to do. What other, can I give some love to Oak Valley Custom Heartscapes? Any custom heartscape need that you may have. You contact Tim Hess and Oak Valley Custom Hartscapes.

They are the best of the best. they will actualize any dream that you have for hardscapes at your house, at your commercial, at your place of business. Oak Valley Custom Hardscapes, ladies and gentlemen, are absolutely phenomenal, fantastic office on the downtown mall and the old Wells Fargo building, Oak Valley Custom Hardscapes. It's 132. We may have to get to some of these other headlines tomorrow. Which ones do we miss?

Let's see. We missed out on the Seville Ale Trail. He says that's Hotel Green in Richmond, the mini golf course and an old. old hotel. Seville Ailt Trail. We'll save Seville A L Trail tomorrow. Seville A L Trail is a good start to revitalizing downtown. The designated outdoor refreshment area is what Seville Altrail needs to evolve into.

Virginia football, is that the other headline we missed? We've got what is the most likely upset we will see on election day? And yes, the UVA news. What is the most likely upset we will see in election day? Jason Miyari's beating Jay Jones for Attorney General is not an upset because Miyaris is the incumbent Spamberger, we think is going to win, right?

I think Earl Sears, if she wins, would be the biggest Earl Sears would be a shock, but neither of us think that's going to happen, do we? I think it's going to be tough to do. Yeah. Do you see Scott Smith beating Fred Missile? Probably not.

Okay. So are we saying a week from today that there are going to be no upsets? It's unlikely. Unlily. I totally agree. If there was an upset that was going to happen, which would it be? I think the closest we'll get is Reed potentially beating, what's the Hashmi? Would you say Dylan Beck beats per year? That's your boy, Dylan Beck. He's run. about as many times as I have on my left hand, fingers as I have on my left hand.

Do you have more on your right? That was a dad joke. No, it was just, you made it seem like, what's a three-letter word that starts with gas? What's a three-letter word that starts with gas? It took me a little bit to figure out. You got it quickly. You got it faster. I've tried it on a handful of people.

A three-letter word that starts with gas, car. That's the Tuesday edition. of the I Love Seville Show. Judah Wickhauer, Jerry Miller. Thank you for joining us. Thank you.