The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Williamson: Inclusionary Zoning Hurts Production; Projects W/ 10 Units Must Include 10% Affordable

Episode Date: April 30, 2024

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Williamson. I said quiet. Sorry. Good Tuesday afternoon, guys. My name is Jerry Miller. Thank you kindly for joining us on the I Love Seville show. It's great to connect with you through a network that's been a labor of love for us for a number of years. Live in downtown Charlottesville, less than two miles from the University of Virginia, right down the Market Street road of the Charlottesville Police Department and a block off the downtown mall and the courthouses of Almar County and the city of Charlottesville. Today's show is all about local.

We relay national stories and we localize them. We take local stories and we unpack them even further for you. That's what we've done today. Although the top headline is cut off, it just crushes my soul when that happens. Producer and director Judah Wittkower. If we could find a way to make sure that never ever happens again,

that would really make me happy. Production, the actual end is cut off on the headline. There's a slight difference, I think, between the opening and the personal. If you could update that in real time, that would help me sleep tonight. The perfectionist of me is just getting whittled down like a number two pencil.

Neil Williamson is the president of the Free Enterprise Forum. He offered some commentary today on inclusionary zoning on his website. Mr. Williamson does a bang-up job. We've talked about inclusionary zoning on this talk show in the past. If you're a developer in the city of Charlottesville and you're thinking of a project that's going to be 10 units or more, then 10% of that project needs to be affordable housing, inclusionary housing, tied to area median income, tied to 60% of AMI, and it must stay that way for 99 years, which is just effing bananas. We'll talk about Neil's inclusionary zoning

commentary on the Free Enterprise Forum. He covers a recent report from UC Berkeley's Turner Center for Housing Innovation, authored by Shane Phillips of UCLA's Lewis Center for Regional Policy Studies. This report basically says inclusionary zoning is going to further harm and diminish housing production. I'm going to unpack this without fancy lingo for you, the viewer and listener on today's talk show. Also on today's show, we will let you know we hinted at this in previous shows. I did it in a way that was tasteful and mindful and did not have me speaking out of turn with the real estate circles I run in the Kilwins building on the downtown mall is now active and for sale

the owner of this building a friend of mine Charlie K bash mr. K bash owns a number of parcels around downtown Charlottesville a number of buildings including one we talked about last week the soul food joint the old salad maker Shawn Jenkins is old restaurant the soul food joint which is now currently vacant and seeking a tenant the one we will talk today is the kill winds building that has an asking price of 1 million six hundred thousand I have those details to relay to you and and I can speak freely even more on this potential transaction or this

opportunity also on today's program I want to highlight the Amar County school budget a whopping 270 million dollars9,400,000 to be exact. If I told you it costs $270 million a year to run the Albemarle County public school system, how would you respond at a cocktail party? I have you cornered by the bar, the open bar. I'll have a Angel's Envy in my hand. Neat. Perhaps a double. Perhaps you're enjoying a gin and tonic,

a gin martini, a glass of Chardonnay. We are sitting right next to the pigs in a blanket. God, those Vienna sausages wrapped in those croissant rolls. You and I are munching on a pigs in a blanket while having a libation, those Vienna sausages wrapped in those croissant rolls. You and I are munching on a pig's in a blanket while having a libation, and I say to you, $270 million is what it costs to run the public schools of Elmira County. How would you respond?

I want to talk about that on today's program. We'll have a little bit of fun and talk local luminaries walking by Market Street. Judah, if you want to show our Market Street camera, a new addition to the I Love Seville Network, we now have one, two, three, four, five, seven cameras in operation in this setup. The Market Street camera we'll have some fun with as local luminaries walk by, and as jumping jack, Judah wickhower and i do our 10 jumping jacks for some of the most notable individuals that walk by our market studio i'll ask you this question on a different topic what real estate area will uva target next my answer could surprise you we know that uva is making a push down Ivy Road. We celebrated late last week, in fact, there were two grand openings, basically, of the UVA Data Science School, a school funded by a

friend of the program, Jeffrey Woodruff, not just a gentleman, not just a scholar, not just a talented stock and equities trader, not just a philanthropist, not just an excellent squash player, but you can make a convincing argument that Jeffrey Woodruff has done more to influence the University of Virginia, save anyone except for Thomas Jefferson. I believe the total contribution in the $180 million vicinity to UVA, his alma mater. I want you to think about that. $180 million in contributions. This is all public record from one man and his

foundation. A convincing argument that this guy's done more for UVA than anyone in the history of the school except for its founder, Thomas Jefferson. I want to ask this question. Which area, once Ivy Road has been completed with development,

will UVA target next? My answer could surprise you. We'll also talk about the least toxic social media platforms out there. Guess what? It ain't Twitter. That place, a cesspool. And on this show, we will chitter-chatter the fact that Tony Bennett's basketball team is the only team in the Atlantic Coast Conference without one single ACC, without one single transfer portal commitment.

Every other team in the conference has got one guy committed to the program through the transfer portal. UVA has zero. Zilch. Nada. Ladies and gentlemen. And that should worry all about us. Judah Wittkower, one of the key members of this team. Why don't we go studio camera and then welcome you on a two-shot as we'll talk Neil Williamson and inclusionary zoning. Support the Free Enterprise Forum. Give Neil Williamson

a high five. Give him a chest bump. Give him a fist pound. Better yet, donate to his efforts. The man is a watchdog for this community that is clearly a community that needs more watchdogs. You want to set the table on inclusionary zoning? Why I think it could be great, oh, we should give some props to Dino. Definitely. Dino's wood-fired pizza of Muthru and Basta Pasta he's open two locations at Pro Renata a Muthru and a Dino's support the Muthru and support the Dino's

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Excellent contribution you made. All right. Thank you very much. Neil Williams said inclusionary zoning. Why I think this could be a good fit here is you've highlighted on previous shows that some of the inclusionary zoning real estate language is not your expertise. You are someone that I'm always impressed with.

When you read something, you absorb it, and you ask all the right questions and offer fantastic commentary. You just need an opportunity to read it first. So, my friend, why don't you begin? All right. Well, I read Neil Williamson's article. It was fascinating. And I will explain what I understand, and is this, I don't know if this is only applicable if they're planning large-scale housing, but they have to include 10% of what they're going to build as low-income housing? I wouldn't call it low-income housing.

Okay. It would be housing tied to, for example, here in the city of Charlottesville, it's housing tied to AMI, 60% area median income. I wouldn't necessarily call the 60% area median income low-income housing, especially when the city of Charlottesville has a median of $124,000. Right. So rather than low-income housing, affordable housing. I would say, yes, that's fair.

Low-income housing has a different connotation. Yeah, yeah. I didn't necessarily mean it that way. I just phrased it wrong. So the problem with that is that, in his estimation... Not just Neil's estimation. Neil has specific case, a UC Berkeley report that uses a simulator, a very interesting simulator project, whatever this thing is, that allows someone to input a bunch of different data and make adjustments and this simulator will will basically output um how those things will affect uh housing production cause and effect yeah and uh what i found fascinating is that uh to the simulation, and I'm reading directly from the article now,

according to this simulation, total housing production drops by over 12% with the introduction of 1% of... Inclusionary zoning housing. Yeah. A mandate of 1% inclusionary zoning causes a 12% drop in total housing production. That's crazy. And I think, obviously,

more local governments should know and understand that adding inclusionary zoning is not necessarily going to make the housing situation better. So, my friend, my colleague, my co-host, the city of Charlottesville requires on projects of the development variety that are 10 units or more. That's what it is, 10 units or more. 10% of them are required to be tied to area median income, 60% AMI, and must stay that way for 99 straight years.

So I hope that scale is sliding and not just a straight line because I don't think you can get I don't think you can drop housing production by 120%. So I'm going to put this in very layman's terms. Here's what it comes down to in very layman's terms. And here's what it comes down to in very layman's terms and here's the essence of of what neil williamson uh was reporting today in the free enterprise forum his commentary viewers and listeners put your thoughts in the feed philip dallas scottsville welcome to

the program at the tv station down the road watching us in one of the local newspapers a reporter watching us on the show today The creation of housing is already difficult enough. Yeah. Acquisition. Even before acquisition. Study periods. Engineering. Consulting.

Attorneys. Architects. Neighborhood meetings. Remember when dairy market developer Chris Henry had to go through a firing squad over the next phase of development at Dairy Market and Dairy Central? He gave his time and he went to a community chat at Tethyn Page only to be lambasted by the community. And how many apartments are we not getting? We did a very thorough analysis of that.

Dairy Market, Charlottesville. I Love Seville is what I'm Googling. There's my story. I caught a lot of heat for this story, actually, from the activist community. The headline of my story was, Dairy Market Development Shows Hypocritical Nature of Charlottesville Area Activists and Socialists. When I wrote that story, it went viral. I heard from the developer community, and they applauded and gave us props. I heard from the

finance community. They applauded and gave us props. I heard from the real estate community. They applauded and gave us props. I heard from the activist community, and they said, you son of a, you piece of, how can you say that? Exactly what happened. This particular project, ladies and gentlemen, dairy market would have been 400 apartments or housing for roughly 600 Charles billions. That's what Mr. Henry wanted to do with the next phase of development at Dairy Market. And he was going to take asphalt parking lots and buildings that were falling down and convert them into housing. And I said, why wouldn't you allow this to happen? Why wouldn't you encourage this? This would take the pressure

off of beloved 10th and Page from being further developed by providing housing next to it instead of your housing that people are going to target. What Mr. Williamson has highlighted, what we've talked about on the I Love CVO show, what Deep Throat has talked about on the I Love CVO show, what John Blair has talked about is when you start getting government involved in places they should not, it's just going to muck up the process. And the process is already mucked up, muck with an M, moms that are driving around with their kids in the car.

You have a long process just to get a shovel on the ground. You have to deal with attorneys and architects, engineers, site work. You have to deal with city bureaucrats. You have to deal with consultants. You have to try to predict the future, where interest rates are heading, what housing needs will be needed. You may target a parcel or a piece of property or some land to purchase, but before you can even break ground, it could be years, and the market could have changed altogether. Keith Smith talks about this, and he's very open about this on Real Talk,

how his family lost $17 million with developing housing around Lake Monticello. They were creating housing, and they had a very physically conservative plan for housing in Lake Monticello prior to the 2008 housing recession, a time of great unpleasantness. And then the winds shifted, and his family lost $17 million, almost everything they owned, and went through hoops and filings and a time that you want no one to go through financially. And he's very open about that. By taking projects, Mr. Williamson highlights, by taking projects, these UC Berkeley Turner Center for Housing Innovation, this Shane Phillips of the UCLA Lewis Center for Regional Policy Studies, by taking projects and demanding, insisting, almost strong-arming that they be tied to inclusionary zoning and area median income levels and levels of affordability for extended periods of time, you're going to scare away development. Yeah, and it was bad enough before. You talked about Keith Smith. I can bring up my own father. Please do.

Who was the partner in a development company. You've used the names in the past. Use them again. The name of the business? Yeah, who, what, when, where, why. That's the focus for any commentary you offer. All right. My dad and his partner, Dickinson, had... Bo?

Bo Dickinson owned... You should know this. This is your thing. Go ahead. I apologize. Owned Dickinson Home and Development. moment development. They also had another company, Echelon, and by all indications, they were doing well until they stopped getting their bonds released. By the city?

Yeah. And that put them out of business. So they were working on building a neighborhood. It wasn't, you know, this wasn't like million-dollar homes. This was affordable housing in the city. And it basically died because the city doesn't make it easy. Because they ran out of money. Because the city doesn't make it easy. And how long was the money held? I couldn't give you exact dates, but they were defaulting on money

that they owed to pretty much everybody. There you go. Those are two people that you routinely see on the I Love Seville network that were touched by the bureaucratic archaic process of development. And if you continue to add to the

BS, it's just going to make the process grind to a screeching halt or not happen at all. Mr. Williamson's been ringing that bell. This is from Deep Throat number one in the family. His photo on screen. He says, Mr. Williamson's been ringing that bell. This from Deep Throat, number one in the family. His photo on screen. He says, Mr. Williamson is too sympathetic to developers in his commentary.

10% inclusionary zoning at limit that imply rents very close to the market levels absolutely sinks a project that would have been impossible to do at the same scale under old zoning. Then the zoning was not very economically restrictive to begin with. Secondly, forcing economic agents to pay to internalize the externalities of their activity will impede their business, but we still do it. And luxury development actually creates more demand for affordable housing because the new residents consume low-wage services. I would say that 10% inclusionary zoning doesn't even cover this marginal demand.

He also highlights that 60% AMI for rentals is not cheap because renter households have much lower median income than that of the overall median. That's a great point. I encourage you to read what Neil wrote on the free enterprise form, and I encourage you to support what that man does. I think he does a bang-up job. I would not be surprised if we look back down the road. We talked yesterday about a piece of land that Judah highlighted

that's traded in an obscene multiple for what it sold for very recently. Yeah, I think two or three years ago it was like $169,000. Now it's in the 400,000 range. We talk about the Lewis Mountain listing that traded for a million dollars for a brick rancher. That may be a teardown. I would not be surprised if we look back a handful of years from now and say,

this was the point where things got even more expensive. And we'll point to the approval, the green lighting of Up7. And I've been ringing that bell for a long time. A long time on this platform. All right, speaking of real estate, if you want to put the next lower third on screen, the Kilwins building is for sale. I hinted at this.

I suggested this. The owner of the building is a friend of mine. His son's a friend of mine. The owner of this building's best friend is my mentor. The asking price is $1.6 million. The Kilwins building, fantastic location on the downtown mall. It's got apartments above it. It has a cap rate of 7.49%. The total income in the building is $132,000. The asking price is $1.6 million.

The owner of this building is negotiable, although he does not have to sell. Like many of the folks that own property in the downtown mall, they're in fantastic positions. Here's another phenomenon that's happening, and I'm seeing this with some of the clients we have. Depending on where you are in the age of your life, whether you're on the front end of your trajectory or in the middle, middle-aged or retirement age or beyond, you look at the assets you have in very different ways or through different lenses. Someone who's like middle-aged or younger that has assets, in particular real estate, may consider this perspective.

Okay, I got a guy or a gal that's willing to offer me fair market value or more than fair market value on something that I own. I'm entertaining this offer. I very well could consider selling this. But if I sell this holding, I have such tax exposure, I need to protect myself with what is called a like-kind exchange,

a 1031 exchange, or a Starker exchange. They're all the same way, all the same thing. And I'm not going to bore you with jargon, but I will try to relay to you how the very small circle of real estate in this community is thinking, especially those that are not at retirement age. Someone who's savvy will utilize this 1031 exchange, which is a swap of a piece of real estate investment property for another one that allows capital gains taxes to be deferred. This term gets its name from section 1031 of the IRC code, the Internal Revenue Code. The challenging aspect with a 1031 exchange is you've got to move fairly quickly with identifying where you're going to take the money for selling something and put it into something that's comparable

in a fairly short period of time. If you do not do this exchange of properties where you take the proceeds from one sale and put it into another one, you're on the hook for some massive tax dollars. And that 1031 conundrum is genuinely impacting the sale of a lot of real estate in Charlottesville and in Albemarle County. And the reason that is the case is because there is not a lot of real estate in Charlottesville and in Almaral County. And the reason that is the case is because there's not a lot of opportunity to exchange or roll something into that makes sense. So if you're savvy and someone who owns a piece of real estate on the downtown mall, someone who owns a piece of commercial real estate in the city or the Charlottesville or Almaral County, most likely savvy. A lot of folks have residential real estate that they own,

their personal property, for example. When you're getting in the commercial space, you're dealing with a different level, and I'm not trying to throw shade, I'm just being frank, a different level of investment sophistication. The folks are thinking, sure, that price makes sense to me, but what am I going to take the proceeds and put them into? And if there's not something that appeals to them to put them into, to roll them into, to exchange it for, you'll see a lot of deals get F'd or kiboshed or halted. In this particular circumstance with the Kill Wins project, you have someone that is on the back end of their trajectory.

Mr. Kavash, I'm not throwing shade to you at all, sir. You know I have tremendous respect for you. He's beyond retirement age and is living the retirement lifestyle. That's fair to say so my point is you have an opportunity for maybe some negotiation and maybe a clear path for sale and to get to closing someone in my scenario someone in a middle-aged or scenario perhaps they're immediately identifying where they're going to put their money into and if they don't have something that's going to make sense where they're going to roll that money despite the price being

something favorable they may pass on the deal and that is happening a lot more now than I've seen in my 24 years of being in Charlottesville a lot more so before we get off this topic the the who, what, when, where, why. The Kilwins building on the downtown mall for sale. The asking price is $1.6 million. The cap rate just under 7.5%. There are apartments above Kilwins that produce revenue. There's an opportunity for those apartments to become owner-occupied should you want to live on the mall. Kilwins has proven to be a long-term tenant, although I will say this property is very much tied to that tenant, Kilwins, having success.

Should that tenant have some kind of financial difficulty with their business model, this cap rate and this investment looks completely different. Completely different. Next topic, Judah Wickauer. We're going to weave you into the mix. The Albemarle County school budget, if you could put the lower third on screen, is $270 million. I want to be exact. It's $269,400,000. If you and I are at a cocktail party, why don't you come to any of the cocktail parties? I've invited you to the cocktail parties. Why aren't you rubbing shoulders at the cocktail parties, eating the pigs in the blanket, having your beverage of choice?

What would your beverage of choice be? Would it be pinkies up, pinkies in the air with a glass of Chardonnay? No, I think I'd lately my drink of choice has been an old fashioned or a

cherry old fashioned. That's what the last party we were at which was a mixer at Marygold I happened to order one summertime is also a great time for a mint julep or something like that

or sometimes with a mint julep in his hand. He's most likely going to have a button-down shirt and a sweater on. And I come up, I have a double Angel's Envy neat. We're each scarfing down. Well, this is a high-end cocktail party. We're each nibbling some pigs in the blanket. No escargot.

You can go escargot. I prefer the, I'm just an average Joe. I'll take the pigs in a blanket. No escargot. You can go escargot. I prefer the, I'm just an average Joe. I'll take the pigs in a blanket with some mustard. French, French's mustard. French's yellow mustard

is my favorite. There you go. Not the Heinz. Give me the French's all the way. Living it up. What's your mayonnaise of choice? Probably Hellmann's. Hellmann's?

Yeah. Why Hellmann's? Because I like it better. Not Duke's? Helmets? Yeah. Why helmets? Because I like it better. Not Dukes? I've actually got a jar of both in my refrigerator right now. Do you do the taste test? I still prefer Helmets, but I've been using Helmets for far longer, so it's hardly a surprise. All right, Jude is at the cocktail party.

He's got a cashmere cardigan on with a button-down shirt underneath it, perhaps the button-downs from Brooks Brothers. He's got his mint julep in his right hand with his pinky in the air, drinking the mint julep. Perhaps it's out of a copper cup, if you may. In the other hand, he's nibbling some escargot he's got a pigs in a blanket on the plate with a scotch or a scoop of hellman's on it i'm sitting over there i didn't say i wanted the angels and i say to you the almarac county yearly budget is 270 million dollars what would your reaction be 270 million dollars have that conversation at a cocktail party my reaction would be what was it last year and what was it five years ago and what $270 million. Have that conversation at a cocktail party. What would your reaction be?

My reaction would be, what was it last year, and what was it five years ago, and what was it ten years ago? How much are they escalating every year? Those are great questions. So it would not be one of sticker shock initially? I don't know enough about running a school district to really understand the size,

the severity of $270 million for... Are we in agreement that $270 million is a lot of money? Yeah, definitely. You ask good questions, my friend. I will highlight this. The school system wanted more money. They're saying they're operating at a budget deficit.

The $269,400,000, to be exact, is an increase of $9.5 million year over year and 3.6% over the current fiscal year. 3.6%. Still, Albemarle County Public Schools says they have a funding gap of over $13 million. They're going to have to make up for that funding gap. Yeah, partially because of the money that the state did not provide this year. The number one light item for taxpayers in Albemarle County is schools. I encourage anyone, even if your kids do not attend public schools, to follow the money closely because you're paying for them. And when you're paying for them, you have a say in what they do.

If you're a retiree, if you have no kids, if you're a homeowner, if you're a renter, if you have a second piece of property in Albemarle County, that's a vacation home. If you're a business owner, private school, public school, if you're not following what the number one light item is in the yearly budget, then you're doing yourself a disservice. And if anyone in this community says you do not have a say or should not be vocalizing or offering commentary on how the tax dollars are spent, you say, that's hogwash. I'm spending my money on this too, and I have a right to say on it.

$270 million is a lot. Yeah. And I'll be straightforward. I think a lot of people in this community feel the same way. The performance is not what it was. I was going to say, should we be asking for performance reviews? It seems to me

performance reviews are prevalent everywhere, except they're prevalent in schools. I've got to be straightforward. They're prevalent in schools. Philip Dow says Duke's all the way. Wants our mantle. Let's get Philip Dow's photo on screen. ilovecebal.com forward slash viewer listener power rankings ilovecebal.com forward slash viewer rankings

excuse me viewer rankings Philip Dowell is watching in Scottsdale, Virginia Philip number 14 in the family he says Judah it's dupes all the way dude it's dupes all the way up until I moved to the east coast

i think it was actually a a different uh a different brand so we didn't have either of those in california when i was a california part of the united states ostensibly is that part of the free union until the uh until the the earthquake breaks it off and uh would anyone miss california i would i've got two sisters there and some other family i kid because i can i know juan sarmiento his photo on screen mr sarmiento um highlights it's japanese mayo all the way for him and we need to try where do you Mayo. Is it Kupai? K-E-W-P-I-E? Kupai Mayo. It's the new great mayo. I've never heard of it.

I appreciate the suggestion. Bill McChesney says we need a viewer's poll on mayonnaise. Hellman's versus Duke's and others. It's Duke's all the way. It's part of folklore. Kupi? K-E-W-P-I-E? Kewpie. I have no idea what it is. I'm seeing Kewpie.

When it's all said and done, I know very little. Looks like those Kewpie dolls. I know branding, business, real estate, media, and communication, and a lot about Charlottesville and Central Virginia. Those are my topics of expertise.

I just read a boatload of stuff. John Blair, we love you. Thank you for watching the program. Holly Foster. Watching the program. The Queen of Henrico. She's watching in Henrico, Richmond right now. Holly is a phenomenal person. I always love seeing her. And she gifted Judah and I

enough licorice. What was the exact brand? Number 17 in the family. Oh, man. It's right red red vines a version of twizzlers red vines right red vines oh there you go well done tomorrow's officially bomb bear bombay sapphire gin and tonic time i agree with judah about mayo we did not have dukes dukes in california so she's a hellman's gal. Best Foods is one that I think was the California standard. Best Foods?

Was that the Walmart brand? I honestly don't know. You know how long it's been since I lived in California? Is that a knockoff brand? Knockoff brand? Dukes has got notoriety

alright let's stay focused stay focused here I'll close with the school thing the school conversation by everyone who is a taxpayer that is contributing to the number one light item has a say

with the schools, even if you don't have kids in the schools? And that's how democracy works. And don't let anyone marginalize or diminish your voice. If you're a retiree, you have no kids in the schools, you're not married, You have no children altogether. If you're paying taxes in Albemarle, you have a voice. Next topic.

This is kind of a comedic topic. Can you put the Market Street camera on there? Local luminaries that are walking by the Market Street studio. We have a number of noteworthy local luminaries. We saw Chief Kotchis before the show. Love giving a wave to the police chief. Watches the program from time to time. Did jumping jacks outside the show.

Outside the studio. To mock us. I'm joking. It's one of those Judah jokes. That's what we're going to call them. Judah jokes. He saw us doing the jumping jacks and came over to say, hey, I saw you guys

and why don't you get up and do some more uh one star manto says he's a dukes over helminths any day of the week guy thank you one me too um here we go this is you got someone walking by there logan wells clay love building no no we don't have any but uh going back to since we're on mayonnaise, Best Foods. Fabian Kutner, the scion of Ludwig Kutner, just walked by. That was Fabian Kutner right there. Ludwig Kutner's youngest son. I think I got about a half an inch of him going by.

So Best Foods is known as Hellman's east of the rockies the mayo brand arguably the most commonly available and most loved by everyone pulled in this uh by this article author um they also have best foods is hellman's they also mention what best foods is hellman's that's what i just said okay sorry i wasn't listening i should I should have been. Neil Williamson just posted that on the feed. Yeah, it's the same thing. Duke's, not available on the West Coast, but I found this interesting. We included it because of all the brands

it has the most fervent fan base. Duke's is part of pop culture. It's part of music. It's part of Southern living. It's part of culture. It's part of music. It's part of southern living. Duke's Mayo is a part of pop American culture akin to cherry pie. Budweiser akin to M&M's. Jerry is putting proof to the statement that Duke's has the most fervent fan base. She also said, Ginny said,

my response would be show me proof that increased budget results in better education for our students. Bingo, bango. Perfectly said, Ginny Hu. And she said, did you see the Louisa Board of Supervisors voted to defund Piedmont Virginia Community College?

I'll add a little background on this. You've got a 1.30 photo shoot. I've got to be mindful of that. It's on the moat. What are we talking about, a 10 minute walk? Five. Five? Five? You walk quickly. It's on the moat. What are we talking about, a 10-minute walk? Five, depending on that. You walk quickly. All right, we'll go five. Tammy Purcell, she does a sub-stack for Louisa County.

This almost made the headlines. She covers Louisa better than anyone. The Louisa County Board of Supervisors voted unanimously on Monday night, last night, the Louisa County Board of Supervisors, to withhold $6,000 that was set to go to PVCC. And the reason they did this, I'm going to read it exactly. $6,000? The Louisa County Board of Supervisors on Monday voted unanimously to defund Piedmont Virginia Community College, pointing to the college's decision to allow a student group, the group was called Students for Justice in Palestine at PVCC showed a film on campus. And because PVCC brass allowed this film to be shown, Louisa County's government voted to defund its contribution to Piedmont Virginia Community College. The Louisa County Board of Supervisors, this directly from Tammy Purcell's Twitter account, says it suspended PVCC's funding over concerns

that it allowed students for justice in Palestine to show a film on campus. The resolution says money is being withheld pending an in-person explanation from the school. Specifically, its stance on anti-Semitism and discrimination. This is exactly what we've been talking about for two weeks when it pertains to UVA and the fact that the president of the school, Jim Ryan, has offered nothing but silence, crickets, when it comes to anti-Semitism and the security and safety of Jewish students on grounds.

And good Lord, anyone who watches this program knows, yours truly is the number one proponent of free speech. The conversations we have on this talk show right here, in a lot of ways, go against the grain and the ideology of the populace in the city of Charlottesville. And there's few that catch more heat because of the commentaryace in the city of Charlottesville. And there's few that catch more heat because of the commentary offered in this microphone through these cameras into your social media channels than yours truly. I am the number one proponent of free speech. But when free speech jumps into the realm of security and safety concerns with a marginalized group a group that can often be forgotten because they're not students of color or people of color and I'm talking Jewish

students at UVA hmm I find that to be deplorable I find it incredibly concerning that Jim Ryan has an issue a statement. Now, Louisa County's government, its Board of Supervisors, not offering to fund Piedmont Virginia Community College, I think that's kind of ridiculous. Did you say $6,000 or did I mishear that? No, Tammy says it's $6,000. I mean, that's not a whole lot. Maybe that's a lot for PVCC. $6,000, if a bunch of other jurisdictions did this, that's not a whole lot. Maybe that's a lot for PVCC. 6K, if a bunch of other jurisdictions did this, that would be a problem. How many jurisdictions is PVCC beholden to?

Probably, just not beholden. I wouldn't say beholden, but looking for contributions, probably from a lot of them in the Thomas Jefferson Planning District Commission radius. Yeah. I find it a bit ridiculous, too, but I don't know anything about the movie, so it's hard to comment without knowing more. If I knew more about the film, I would perhaps be more understanding of what they're doing, but yeah, it sounds a bit absurd. There is

being watchful and protecting your students as you mentioned, and then there's, I think, going a little overboard. I don't know what's in this film, but if it's it's hard to say. John Blair, watching the program. He says, My wife was born in Taiwan and immigrated

to Southern California, Arcadia, and L.A. County at age 7. When she moved to Virginia in 2008, she had her first Duke's Mayo. She says that nothing, and I mean nothing, absolutely nothing, comes close to Duke's when it comes to mayonnaise.

I love you, John Blair. That's Deep Throat's photo. Did you get John Blair's photo on screen? I can. There are two in the family. John Blair's is a little bit more approachable. Here's another two in the family. Child players is a little bit more... Here we go. Here's another comment from the article. As someone raised in the South, I remember that people who liked Dukes spoke of it with religious zeal. or vote to not contribute to PVCC shows the stark contrast between Louisa County and the

city of Charlottesville and Louisa County and Albemarle County's urban ring when it comes to politics across the board. Louisa, the first school system to open in Central Virginia during COVID. Louisa, very conservative in its ideology. Louisa, incredibly pro-business. Louisa, for a small government influence. Louisa, taking a stance. A stance. On what's happening here. City of Charlottesville stance.

How would you characterize it versus Louisa's? The ceasefire resolution versus what Louise is doing. Milk toast. Milk toast? Explain milk toast. I mean, the city council initially, didn't they pass on... Yeah, and then they got bullied into voting. Yeah, that's milquetoast. How's that milquetoast?

Do you know what milquetoast means? I know exactly what milquetoast means. I would just use a different description than milquetoast. Explain why you think milquetoast is the best description. We've got a 130 photo shoot. Because it's weak. Timid, feeble, insipid, or bland. I mean, they didn't make a decision

until they got bullied into making a decision. That's the point I'm making. That's milquetoast. I want you to compare what Louisa did on its own accord versus what Charlottesville did under duress. Yeah, it's the opposite of milquetoast. That's what I thought you would say. What?

Louisa is the opposite of what Charlottesville did. Yeah, you were asking me about Charlottesville. How would you... I was asking you to compare the jurisdictions and how they're handling this. I thought you were asking me to... I'm sorry. I thought you were asking me

how I would describe Charlottesville's reaction. This is what we should follow that would be very interesting. If more of this happens where it's, we're not going to contribute because of this, then you're going to start seeing some Jim Rines of the world

take a stand. Ginny Hu says you need to look at the content of the movie. Also, I appreciate they aren't refusing to pay the money forever. They're asking for a statement from the admins. They're holding the money as leverage. Yeah. Well, and I can understand that. I mean, if I've been giving money to someone and they start doing something that goes against my morals or what I agree with, then it's perfectly within my right to say, look,

our beliefs no longer align. I'm not going to continue giving you money. It doesn't have to be something evil. Oh, they're not giving money anymore. If it was voluntary in the first place, then I don't really see a problem with discontinuing something like that. Although, I agree.

I would like to know what the content of the movie is. McChesney says, furthering the dichotomy, Louisa was willing to adjust their property tax rate while Charlottesville is increasing their property tax rate. You could not have two more stark jurisdictions.

Stark in comparison. And they're separated by does Charlottesville City touch Louisa? No, it doesn't, right? It's completely map of central Virginia. Charlottesville is completely surrounded by Almar, right? Yeah.

Here it is. Completely surrounded. Oh. Alright. We're up against a gun on time here. Here's a good trivia question. Who can name all the counties that touch Albemarle County? Can you?

Now that I'm looking at a picture of it. Are you looking at it? Yeah, I would never guess. Augusta, Nelson, Buckingham, Fluvanna, Louisa, Orange, Green. Rockingham. What's the one on the north? Rockingham. There's eight. Rockingham. What's the one on the north? Rockingham. There's eight.

Rockingham. Augusta. Nelson. Buckingham. Yeah. Rockingham. Louvanna. Louisa.

Orange and Green. Counties that touch up on it. All right. We're going to save the local luminaries that walk in front of the Market Street cam right there. Put the Market Street cam on. We'll talk about the toxic social media platforms, which one's the most tomorrow. And I want to remind you that right now,

Tony Bennett has one, has zero, has zero transfer portal commitments. Zero transfer portal commitments, Tony Bennett. The only team in the Atlantic Coast Conference without a transfer portal commitment. He's Judah Wittkower. I'm Jerry Miller. This is the I Love Seville show on a Tuesday. So long, everybody.