The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Youngkin Fires Ellis From UVA Board Of Visitors; Youngkin Replaces Ellis With Ken Cuccinelli

Episode Date: March 27, 2025

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Welcome to the I Love Seville show. My name is Jerry Miller. Good Thursday afternoon to you. Mamma Mia! Today's program is going to be dripping with dynamic excitement. I mean, head-scratching moment after head-scratching moment from the governor of Virginia, Glenn Yonkin, who is t-minus nine months from getting on his horse and trotting off into the sunset. What's the most famous horse that's out there, Judah? Is it Mr. Ed the talking horse? Put you on a two-shot over there. What is the most famous horse in the world, ladies and gentlemen? Is it Mr. Ed the talking horse? Put you on a two-shot over there. What is the most famous horse in the world, ladies and gentlemen? Is it Mr. Ed the talking horse who they built a sitcom around?

Probably depends who you ask. You know what? I think I think it's Secretariat. Secretariat's got to be the most famous horse in the world. Am I right folks? Probably. What is the most famous horse in the world would you say? Bill McChesney, Carol Thorpe, the queen of Jack Jewett, McChesney, the mayor of McIntyre, John Blair over on LinkedIn, Vanessa Parkhill in Earleysville, Deep Throat, the viewers and listeners of all, shapes, sizes, and mindsets.

What's the most famous horse that's out there? Whatever it is, the governor, Glenn Yonkin, the former co-CEO of the Carlisle Group, a man with hundreds of millions of dollars of net worth, a man with nine months left in his term of governor, a man for the most part has run in a lot of circles a presidential type of, who has managed for a lot of people in a lot of influential political circles, they characterize Youngkin as influential and certainly on the short list to be pushed by the Republican Party

as a candidate for presidency post-Trump. And the last what? Couple of days, couple of weeks. Now people are going to point to some of the voting, some of the vetoing he's done with what the Democrats and what Richmond has pushed with an increased tax opportunity for schools, funding schools. Some people are going to push, oh, Yonkin is still championing and empowering, you know, semi-automatic gun owners.

Some of that legislation has come out of late that he's vetoed. Budget cuts and tax cuts. But look, he's a Republican. That's what the guy's going to do. He's a Republican. That's a tax cut Republican the thing that's been surprising from the governor of Virginia is this Burt Ellis brouhaha The man either used Burt Ellis like a pawn

Like used Burt Ellis like a gardening hoe on a spring evening And in Charlottesville, Virginia where he's trying to get that hard red clay more malleable so he can plant his strawberries and his onions and his broccoli. What do you plant? I don't plant anything. The only thing I probably would plant is something I probably can't mention on the talk show over here. Yonkin uses Ellis to eviscerate diversity, equity, and inclusion. As soon as DEI is done, Yonkin fires cans, pink slips, Dear John Letters, Burt Ellis. This is materialized in the last three days?

Yeah, I guess. Since Monday? The Washington Post citing unnamed sources? Who were those unnamed sources? Yeah. Those unnamed sources, were they leaked from Jim Ryan's side? From other Board of Visitors side? From liberal left UVA? Were they leaked from the Governor's Mansion? I'm curious of what your take is, Judah. I'm curious what your take is, viewers and listeners. Regardless, Bert Ellis is no more. The owner of the white spot, the Atlanta businessman, a gentleman who's a double who, who proudly lives

in the Charlottesville area 10 days a month to serve on his, as on his post, in his post on the Board of Visitors. He's been replaced due to Wichow or by? By Ken Cuccinelli. And Ken Cuccinelli, ladies and gentlemen, may be a more extreme version of Burt Ellis. Without all the fun. Ken Cuccinelli is a on paper vanilla version ofaker with extremist ideology positions. And we'll unpack some of those positions, including his self-described opposition to same-sex marriage, his staunch defending of anti-sodomy laws as former attorney general, his vehement opposition to climate change. I mean, this is a documented history for a man who has been in the political stratosphere for, for Judah

decades. The Virginia State Senate, an attorney general, a man that is a bull in a china shop with, what's the Cuccinelli metaphor, Carol Thorpe? If Bert Ellis is the bull in the china shop, what is Ken Cuccinelli? Some of my analogies would not be so flattering. I don't know if I have an analogy. He is a career politician, though. Understatement. And by a lot of reports, he hasn't succeeded at much. In fact, he lost, didn't he lose the governor race

to to Yonkin's predecessor? You've researched him on there. Are you asking questions you know answers to? I'm pretty sure he lost to, oh now I'm drawing a blank. Viewers and listeners, like and share the show. Like and share the show a lot. We're going to cover on today's program.

We are going to talk on today's show about a new sandwich shop in Belmont. We're going to talk on today's show, Isaac McNeely being linked to the University of Kentucky to North Carolina to Louisville. I heard Bobby Chabra this morning on the radio saying McNeely's linked to the Kentucky Wildcats. There's a tracker saying UNC is the favorite right now. Jerry Radcliffe publishes on Twitter and he's been all over this coverage, friend of the program and the star of the Jerry and Jerry show that Louisville is very interested and every day that goes by the University of Virginia is gaining

less and less control over Isaac McNeely's last year of eligibility. I want to highlight the fact that our firm Charlottesville Business Brokers has two groups of cash buyers established business owners with significant cash positions that are looking to buy businesses in this community. They're not fools. They're not going to overpay. They are not fools. They are not going to overpay.

But they do not need SBA loans that take forever to materialize or bank financing. Cash positions that are deep, robust, and money holders that are sophisticated and nuanced with buying businesses. We are tasked with finding them opportunity. I'm passing that on to you, the viewer and listener. So much to cover on the show. Carol Thorpe says, Judah, Ken lost a governorship to tricky Terry McAuliffe. Bill McChesney says, Ken is a snake in the weeds. Your words not mine, Bill McChesney.

Your words not mine. We know the BOV is often watching this program because we get emails from them about what we're saying and how we're depicting them. Carol Thorpe says, I have known Ken Cuccinelli, you got to get some photos on screen. I have known Ken Cuccinelli well from my days leading the Jefferson area Tea Party. If Governor Youngkin thinks he is a docile seat filler with Ken, he best think again. The dismissal of Ellis did not surprise me. But if his choice of Ken to cool off the fire absolutely did well said, Carol Thorpe, Carol Thorpe, Carol Thorpe,

Carol Thorpe, Georgia Gilmer, welcome to the program. Newspaper, radio and print, welcome to the show. John Blair, very curious of your take on this as a man that follows politics very closely in the Commonwealth of Virginia. Do we recap what happens? Philip Dow and Scott's bill, thank you for watching the show. I will offer a cliff notes version of what has happened. Earlier this week, the Washington Post and the Washington Post frankly folks has become the substance or the flooring of hamster and gerbil and mice cages and no longer the second or third most influential newspaper in the Commonwealth in the

in the country that we call the United States. There was a time where it was the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal were in the top echelon and the Washington Post was right there knocking at the door. Whether it's Bezos buying the Washington Post or whether it's these publications just becoming shills or megaphones of one-party ideology and no longer offering unbiased coverage. The papers of record for the Nation, the New York Times, and The Washington Post are shadows of their former selves and frankly the flooring of gerbil and hamster cages. I read The Wall Street Journal. I will read The Financial Times.

And from there I'm cherry picking coverage based on journalists that I trust, podcasters and influencers that I follow. It does not carry the clout and weight that it used to do. The New York Times and the Washington Post. Regardless, the Post has been all over this story. I'm dying to know who the two sources the Washington Post had in the palm of their hands and their trusted purview.

They highlight before the story breaks, they break the story, that Yonkin is about to pink slip Bert Ellis, and he's giving Ellis an opportunity to resign from the board, and he says, Ellis, you can resign based on health issues or being too busy as a businessman from Atlanta. Alice says, nah, dog. Nah, dog. No way, Jose.

I ain't resigning. That's against the honor code. I'm not too busy. I'm not lying. I'm not violating the honor code here at UVA. I ain't resigning. Then Glenn Youngkin says, all right, I'm going to call you into the principal's office. I want a meeting with you in my mansion on Tuesday of this week.

Burt, come into my mansion. You're going to meet with me. You're called into the principal's office. Did he make Burt wait before seeing him? I bet you he did. You know that's a power dynamic. Do you make Ellis wait in the waiting room for 15 minutes, 20 minutes, 30 minutes? If I put the over-under of Burt Ellis waiting to meet Glenn Yonkin,

at 15 minutes, would you take the over-or-under of Ellis waiting to see Yonkin on Tuesday? the over or under of Ellis waiting to see Yonkin on Tuesday? I want the over under of Ellis showing up late. Oh wow. So the power struggle starts with Ellis showing up to the meeting. Tarty you think? Well, if he... I would be surprised if that happened. If he has any inkling that he's going to be sat in a waiting room and told to hold on

a second. Yeah, I don't see why. To be a fly on the wall in Tuesday's Governor's Mansion meeting with Bert Ellis and Glenn Yonkin. Regardless, the meeting didn't go well for Bert. Wait, wasn't it Wednesday? Believe it was Tuesday. I thought the... No, it was Tuesday. Okay. It was Tuesday. The letter came out yesterday. The news broke yesterday. The meeting was Tuesday. Very interesting. Do you think in that meeting on Tuesday, the governor said, and are you rotating the lower

thirds on screen? Not right now. We should. Okay. The viewers and listeners like the lower thirds. Do you think in that meeting on Tuesday, Governor Glenn Youngkin said to Burt Ellis face to face, you're off the Board of Visitors? Or do you think Governor Glenn Youngkin said to Burt Ellis, I need to think about it?

If I had to guess, I would say that Youngkin probably tried to make a case for Ellis removing himself from the Board of Visitors and when that didn't work, he's like, well then here's how it's going to go. I think that would be the case as well. I think in that meeting on Tuesday, I agree with you as well, Steven O'Dwyer, one of the best squash coaches in America watching the program right now. In that meeting on Tuesday, I would say that Glenn Yonkin offered a lifeline to Burt Ellis to save face.

And he said, Mr. Ellis, please, let's use health and sickness or your busy schedule as a reason for you stepping down from this board. And I guarantee you, Burt Ellis said, I'm not going to do that. You're going to have to fire me from the board if you're going to want me off the board. And then Glenn Yonkin, I would bet Glenn Yonkin in that meeting said, well, Burt, I have to let you go.

And then he papers and documents the trail with the Dear John letter. And in the Dear John letter to Bert Ellis, he says, you're no longer fit to be on the UVA BOV. Unbelievable story. Yep. Then the news breaks that Bert Ellis, a man who traveled from Atlanta, Georgia, across state lines in a luxury automobile, drives his automobile to Charlottesville, his luxury automobile to Charlottesville,

goes through Atlanta, goes through the Carolinas, comes into the Commonwealth, pulls into Seaville, finds a parking space right around grounds, heads to the lawn, one of the most prestigious stretches of dirt in the entire Commonwealth of Virginia, Thomas Jefferson's lawn, passes the rotunda, goes to the lawn where the creme de la creme of students at the University of Virginia are living. They're bypassing having showers in their rooms for the pedigree and for the legacy

and the reputation that comes with living on the lawn. He heads straight to a young woman's door. He sees a sign on the door that he heard about days if not weeks ago while in Atlanta. He pulls out of his pocket. This is all documented, ladies and gentlemen. Out of his pocket, no, first he knocks on her door. And she slammed it in his face. He knocks on her door and tries to persuade

an undergraduate college student to take a sign off her door that basically said, Duck UVA, F-U-C-K UVA, and then made some KKK references to UVA. KKK cops? On the sign. He tries to persuade her to cut the sign off the door. She says, dude, you're a stranger. Stranger danger.

I don't know who you are. You're randomly knocking on the door to where I live. I live here by myself. She slams the door on his face, just like probably all of us would. And when she slams the door on his face... But most of us, I think, would expect that knock on the door if we put those things... I don't think so. I disagree with that statement. I vehemently disagree with that statement. You don't think?

I would never put that sign on the door, F-U-C-K-U-V-A. I would never put a sign on the door that makes reference of the KKK and cops and police officers. Well, I know that, but... But at the same time, I understand that we live in a country where we have rights of speech and while I find this speech that she's choosing to be deplorable and disgusting and far from aligning with my personal beliefs I respect the fact that she has rights to do this. No I would never knock

on her door and try to take that sign off her door. Never. I didn't say you would and I'm not disputing any of the things that you said, but if you did put something like that on your door, would you not expect to have perhaps a knock or two from people who disagree with the statement? No, I still would not.

Wow. Not on the University of Virginia lawn, which is an epicenter of activism and liberalism and far left beliefs. No, if any spot in Charlottesville that I would say is most welcoming to signage like that on a consistent basis, it's the lawn. I'm not saying it wouldn't be welcomed. Is there any spot in Charlottesville that you can think of, any spot in central Virginia

that would be more welcoming or hospitable to FUCK UVA signs and KKK police messaging on a sign. That's the spot. Bert Ellis knocks on the door, says, take this sign off, and he probably didn't say it nicely. She slams the door in his face and he pulls out a razor blade out of his pocket and tries to cut it off her door. Saw it off her door. This is a crazy story. Then the Democrats try to block him from being on the Board of Visitors, Yonkin's handpicked guy, a man who donated to Yonkin. They assassinate his character by saying he's a racist, calling him a bunch of nasty names, right? A bunch of nasty names.

He still makes it because two Democrats break rank and they align with Youngkin-led Republicans. Ellis gets on the BOV because two Democrats break rank and align with the Youngkin-led Republicans. He's on the BOV. Immediately on the BOV, Birdie Boy doesn't realize that anything he does can be Freedom of Information Act requested. He gets FOIA'd and in a FOIA request, a Freedom of Information Act by a local journalist,

they find out he's sending text messages that UVA is in a death fight for the soul of the University of Virginia. Along those lines, that's what he's texting. Along with calling students, some UVA students, numb nuts. Calls UVA students numb nuts. Bert Ellis calls UVA students numb nuts on the Board of Visitors. Says we're in a death fight for the soul of the University of Virginia has to apologize to the other board members for saying we're not in a in a mortal combat a do can fight for

the soul you're mixing here you're mixing your video game what's the do get from Street Fighter right yeah Street Fighter a dookie Mortal Kombat this is a Mortal Kombat right mortal come finish him finish him can you give me a Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat reference again? Another one? Yeah. Fatality. Fatality. Farenhales is Street Fighter and Mortal Kombating text message commentary to other board members.

It comes out in a FOIA, including the fact that he calls students numb nuts. He was to apologize to the other board members for saying we're mortal combating in a street fight for the soul of UVA. Oh, and then? But then refuses to apologize for calling the students numb nuts. Well, when asked after making his-

That's incredible. After making his apology to the board of visitors, he was asked if he should also apologize to the students and he's like, no, that was good. He said, I'm okay with calling the students num-nuts. What apologies enough? This guy is amazing. The more I'm read about him in the last week, the more I like. I wait, should we have a poster of Bert Ellis in the studio somewhere?

A life-size cutout of Bert Ellis? I mean, now he's down on the Board of Visitors. I can go back to calling him razor blade. Do Do we use a Razor Blade to cut out the... Alright, hold on. Carry the show, Judith. Carry the show. I jest, I jest. Carry the show. Seriously. Carry the show. I really enjoy reading about Bert Ellis.

He's passionate and willing. A duke in mortal combat! Oh man. and willing. A DOOKIN! Mortal Kombat! Oh man. He's off the board. I could go back to calling him Razorblade. Was that the only reason you stopped calling him? Is it because he was on the board? He sent me an email saying don't call him Razorblade anymore. We have an email from the Jefferson Council

saying don't call him razor blade anymore. And indicated they were a version of scissors and not a razor blade. And that the moniker is following him around grounds in life. So now you're going to go back to calling him that? Well, he's not on the board anymore. Well, they didn't ask you to stop calling him that just

because he was on the board. That was the influence they had. Now he's off the board. So he is off the board after being... So civility is off the is off the table too? One of the things that makes the show great is we take topic matter of significance and add a little humor and entertainment to it. I think that's one of the reasons why people watch. Ben Sellers, I'm going to get to your tweet in a matter of moments. Deep throat, you're coming up here a lot.

We're going to cover on the program. Did Glenn Youngkin use Burt Ellis? Burt Ellis eradicated diversity, equity, and inclusion from UVA, the number one driver of Youngkin's order to eradicate DEI. I wouldn't say that he did it single-handedly. But he led the charge. He definitely led the charge. He led the charge. And he definitely, once he grabbed hold of that paint leg,

he did not let go. No. A dog with a bone. And he was not going to let the university get away with shuffling everything around and continuing business as usual in terms of DEI. Ben Seller is watching the program on Twitter. He offers this tweet, why is it more acceptable to allow obscenities on the lawn, a UNESCO World Heritage Site traversed by many visitors and families, than it would be to shout out in the middle of a classroom.

Students given the privilege of long rooms have an obligation to represent the best of UVA. I agree 100% with what Ben Sellers said right there. He's the executive director of the Jefferson Council. He's watching the program right now and he's tweeting on the show. Mr. Sellers and the Jefferson Council, I admire a lot of the work that you do. I appreciate you watching the program, Mr. Sellers. Okay, here's what I have found with activists.

An activist is much more likely to hang a sign on the front door of their room than to have the courage and the gumption to say what's on that sign in a small classroom of a lot of people of their peers in it. It takes a lot more courage for an activist to get up in a classroom of 20 or 30 students or a lecture hall of a couple hundred students and say, F-U-C-K-U-V-A and link police officers to the KKK than it does to hang a sign on a door when

you're not really next to the sign because those long rooms are not tied to specific people. You'd have to do a lot of research to figure out whose room that is. I've seen a lot of activists and a lot of very left-leaning people at the University of Virginia. And oftentimes when confronted face to face, as Mr. Ellis did, their reaction is to close the door and run away from the fight. That's what they do. And that's the difference, Mr. Sellers, the executive director of the Jefferson Council,

respect you, respect your organization, the commentary that Mr. Bacon is offering. You should come on the program. You're welcome on the show anytime. We're getting emails from the organization to come on the show. Okay? Come on anytime you want. But that's the difference.

You make a great point of the long. These activists aren't gonna say it in a classroom. And before we get to Ken Cuccinelli, you remember this phrase, ladies and gentlemen, the grass is not always greener on the other side. Because what you're getting with Ken Cuccinelli is perhaps a more conservative extremist than Burt Ellis, and that's crazy to say. Okay? But that's what you're getting with Ken Cuccinelli. To close the Burt Ellis piece, the co-founder of the Jefferson Council, he eradicated diversity, equity, and inclusion, and he did it in the way we all knew he was going to do it.

He went from Atlanta to Charlottesville to cut a sign down. He called students numb nuts. He got in a verbal sparring match with Robert Hardy, the rector. He sparred with Jim Ryan. He hard clocked Jim Ryan saying, you have 30 days and I'm going to count 30 days. He voted no on a number of capital improvement projects and said, before voting no, you better cut $200 million off the budget. He said the DEI payroll was fat and bloated. He made sure that everyone knew he was there. And you know what? Glenn Youngkin knew this when he appointed him.

The Democrats told him, history told him. He still appointed him because he knew that Ellis was going to be a bulldog with eradicating diversity, equity, and inclusion. And that's when he did. And as soon as Ellis eradicated DEI from UVA, was going to be a bulldog with eradicating diversity, equity, inclusion. And that's when he did. And as soon as Ellis eradicated DEI from UVA, Glenn Youngkin did his victory lap on national media. Are we sure it's eradicated?

It's eradicated from UVA. Are we sure Youngkin hasn't acted too soon? He did his victory lap, ladies and gentlemen, on national media and said it's done. And then he pink slips Ellis. And he gives Yonkin a weasely way out, tie it to health or tie it to too busy with business. And Ellis said, no, that's not who I am. And of course that's not who he is.

He's a man of principle and character a double who where honor is probably Important to him is definitely important to him and then finally Yonkin writes him a dear John letter Picked up by the media he basically break breaks up with Burt Ellis like a 17 year old teenager Breaks up with their boyfriend or girlfriend via text message. That's what Yonkin did. And if Glenn Yonkin does not realize that he looks weak today, he looks like a man that used another person to get what he wanted today. He looks like all the elements of politics that no one likes today. And then he chooses to replace Ellis with Ken Cuccinelli. Do you want

to start with the who, what, when, where, why of Cuccinelli, Judah? He's a lawyer, a politician. He's greatly disliked by the Democrats. They will cite a lot of the things that they feel he's done wrong. And the fact that apparently he hasn't been a very good attorney general. A lot of his initiatives have have not panned out and overall he just seems to me kind of like a cookie cutter far right conservative. Cookie cutter far right? I would never use the word cookie cutter. No. Cookie cutter for someone who's vehemently opposed to same sex marriage. Yeah. Cookie cutter far right conservative. The far right conservative of 2025 is no longer the far

right conservative of 20 years ago. Okay, that's fair enough. The conservative, and maybe viewers and listeners will disagree with me, the conservative of today is not anywhere staunchly opposed to same-sex marriage. The conservative- Are you sure about that? Viewers and listeners, offer your perspective, please. The conservative of today is not on that hill or that mountain or that or that platform of

anti-homosexuality far from it okay that is that is that is embraced welcomed by I would say parties parties across the board. Parties across the board. Viewers and listeners agree or disagree with that statement. Cuccinelli vehemently opposed to it. Yeah. Cuccinelli driving efforts and laws to ban same-sex marriage. Cuccinelli against climate change.

Cuccinelli investigated climate scientists. Yeah, at UVA. Cuccinelli, as hardliner as you're going to find when it comes to immigration. This guy is a more radical version of Ellis. So, what is he? Ellis's radicalism was associated with his principles at the University of Virginia. Ellis's radicalism was not associated with same-sex marriage, sodomy, climate change, homosexuality.

Right? Cuccinelli's is. I know. Unbelievable. The textbook example of the grass is not always greener. Cuccinelli, a UVA grad. of the grass is not always greener. Cucinelli, a UVA grad. What are your thoughts on this?

Viewers and listeners, Juan Sarmiento watching the program, Maria Marshall Barnes, Kathy Carpenter, Dan Blake, your thoughts? Georgia Gilmer, love to get the Jefferson Council on here to talk about this, Ben Sellers. Deep Throat says, Judah, you make a good point that Ellis is less likely, similar views to Ellis, but less likely to do crazy things. You want to push back on that or offer perspective?

Say that again. Same ideology as Ellis, but less likely to do crazy things. Cuccinelli? I think he's more likely to do crazy things just behind the scenes. In less visible fashion. The straw that broke Ellis' back was the interview with the Daily Progress where he was talking about diversity, equity and inclusion. What were the three verbs he used in that?

Oh man, rend, terror, destroy. I don't remember the exact words. John Blair watching the program. Without getting into personalities, I guess a good government question is this. Who should be the governing body of a five billion plus year organization with diverse interests such as education, a health system, real estate development, et cetera? Should the General Assembly establish set criteria

for anyone to be considered Board of Visitors members? Except that I contributed a lot to the Governor. Great question. And he tried to answer our question in the beginning in the show, the most famous horse is Secretariat. And he said, don't forget about the donkey in which Jesus rode on Palm Sunday, probably the most well known one. He said, I thought you and Judah would love to read. Is it insetus? Caligula's horse? Oh man, that's a great band by the way. Rumored to be appointed a consul in Rome. Do you know this horse?

Incitatus? Also literally had a stable made out of 100%, and then he shared a link to Wikipedia about his horse. How is it spelled? What? How is it spelled? You're talking over me. I-N-C-I-A-I-N-C-I-T-A-T-U-S. Hmm. It's a crazy time to be a follower of a univ-

I did know that he made his horse a senator. What about Rosinante? I don't think everybody knows the name, but everybody knows the guy who tilts at windmills. Vanessa Parkill asked this question, does this move by Glenn Yonkin, does he believe it will be a plus towards his presidential run?

Maybe it's some type of political alliance that he's aiming for here. Political alliance with Ken Cuccinelli? What is the political alliance? If this guy wanted to make a run for president, this is what he, if this guy wanted to use this, okay, any, if you're in politics, and it's just like business, with business and in politics, and frankly, it's a lot of things in life, this is what I found, okay?

Politics, business, life. When there's problems or there's drama or there's uncertainty or there's concern, there's opportunity. How you manage or navigate that drama or uncertainty or that concern or that unexpected outcome will determine a lot of winning and losing in life, certainly in business and certainly in politics.

Youngkin could have navigated this Bert Ellis brouhaha in very different fashion. He could have said, all right, I'm gonna fire Mr. Ellis. I got what I wanted with the eradication of DEI from UVA. I'm gonna replace him with a candidate that is way more centered in ideology, way more mainstream, maybe even slightly middle to left leaning. Because if he did that, think about it.

Doesn't he have that in most of his appointments? Think about it if he does that. He still has, he still has done 12 other appointments on the board out of 17. And he's got more appointments coming up. He still has done 12 other appointments on the board out of 17. And he's got more appointments coming up. This replacement right here would be the most visible replacement, way more visible than the other four that he's going to appoint to the board in July. Because he's firing somebody.

And this really, has this ever happened? Good question. Do we know, John? Does any of you deep throat? Has this ever officially happened? So he replaces Ellis with somebody just bear with me here. He replaces with Ellis with somebody that's more mainstream or conservative or mild manner. If he does that, that's still going to maintain his conservative or Republican backing because he eradicated DEI.

But it will also win him some points with liberals and the left leaning and the activists because he's replacing the most outspoken guy with a mild mannered centered individual. So if he really wanted to make a run for president and he wanted to use this drama and this brouhaha to his advantage, he does it that way. Instead, all he has done is he stirred the hornet's nest. This guy has stirred the hornet's nest with Cuccinelli. Because any kind of basic reading on the internet, when you Google this man's name, the first thing you're probably going to come across is what? His Wikipedia page? And when you come across his Wikipedia page, what? In the third paragraph, this is what you read about him. Are you ready? This is the third paragraph of Ken Cuccinelli's

Wikipedia page. A self-described opponent of homosexuality, Cuccinelli in his position as Virginia Attorney General, defended anti-sodomy laws and prohibitions on same-sex marriage. Cuccinelli rejects the scientific consensus on climate change and his position as Attorney General investigated climate scientists, whom he accused of fraud. He's characterized as an immigration hardliner. Kucinelli sought to prohibit undocumented immigrants from attending universities, repeal birthright citizenship, and force employees to speak English in the workplace. That paragraph right there is a

paragraph that describes for the large chunk of Americans, I would say, a man of shady morality and character or questionable judgment I would say, certainly in 2025. You disagree with that statement? I don't know. I think he's a bulldog in very different ways than Ellis is a bulldog. Okay. I think you, words matter with your commentary here. And when you read a paragraph just like that, the response to what I just read from his Wikipedia page is important. And my response to something like I just read would not be, he's a bulldog in a lot of ways. Okay, what would your response be? My response was a man of questionable judgment and morality and character. Why do you say questionable

morality and character? I'm curious how that comes up. Which part of this paragraph? You must speak English in the workplace? I'm going to do whatever I can, Cuccinelli says, to oppose same-sex marriage? Is this what I don't say for this? But you think that impugns his morality I think that him absolutely impugns his judgment and certainly questions his character and morality Absolutely. Okay. Wait, are we I I'm not trying to put you on the spot

We're having a conversation here and in in in 2025 here in America. Yeah, we're in America in 2025 Do you do you have problems with same-sex marriage? I don't, but are you, do you think that that has largely gone away, that there is nobody on the right or in the conservative sector that is against all that same stuff? I think the- Are you saying that that's an outlier? that same stuff? I think the conservative sector in 2025, the elements that we just outlined in this paragraph are much less a priority for right leaning voters

than what it was 15 or 20 years ago. Yeah, right leaning voters. I think today's voters and today's people in general take people with, you can love whoever you want. You can't say that there's not a significant section of America that still believes. I say there's a portion of America. I don't say it's a significant portion. Viewers and listeners, I'm very curious of the take of the viewers and listeners here.

But this is what this guy is. Yeah. I'm still not sure. If you ask, let me ask you this question, okay? And let me ask the viewers and listeners this question. If you had the lady, the UVA undergraduate student that lived on the lawn that had the sign on her door that said F-U-C-K-U-V-A and KKK police, the sign on her door.

Yeah. And she was able to research Bert Ellis and she was able to research Ken Cuccinelli. Who do you think that student on the lawn would say absolutely no, if she had to pick one of those two for the Board of Visitors? Who would you say absolutely no to first? Oh man. This is a slam dunk answer.

You think? It's a slam dunk answer. You think she would pick Bert Ellis every time over Coochinelli? You think she would pick Coochinelli? You think she would pick Coochinelli? Cooch doesn't have a track record, excuse me, Razorblade doesn't have a track record like Cooch. Razorblade's track record is of business and passion to UVA. Razorblade's track record is of single sanction honor code. Razor Blade's track record is make the university more affordable. Razor Blade's track record is we don't want to become

the Ivy Leagues. Razor Blade's track record is one of cut bloat in spending and DEI. Cooch's track record is, let's tar and feather and scarlet letter folks of same-sex marriage and immigrants and non-English speakers and climate scientists. The track record of Ellis is capitalists who wants to return UVA to its traditional roots. The track record of Cooch is questionable judgment at best. Okay. I'm not arguing with you.

I want you to argue with me. I love the, and we can have a conversation too You know we don't have to argue. We're just going back. It's it's a tall I mean I agree with most of that I still don't know if after having Bert Ellis knock on her door with a Whether it was scissors or a razor blade Bill McChesney says Cooch is diametrically opposed to the majority of the

University of Virginia demographic. Okay. Deep Throat. Shares a graph, a Gallup poll. Can, can, yeah, there we go. Thank you, Deep Throat. Can you go to my Twitter DMs and get the Gallup poll on same-sex marriages? Should or should not be recognized by laws valid? Please. If you could, please, Sir Judah. It's in my Twitter DMs.

Thank you, Deep Throat. Welcome back. You make the program better he's got data that I think backs up absolutely what I'm saying okay dude I don't give a rat's ass who you like who you love who you hold hands with who you kiss who you marry I know who you slap skins I'm the same way I don't, who you kiss, who you marry. I know. Who you slap skins with. I'm the same way. I don't care who you slap skins with.

I don't care what you do. Don't care. You know what I care about? I care about my family, my wife, my children. I care about my rights, my personal rights. I'm not arguing about anything that you believe in. I think most people in 2025, more people than we realize in 2025, are socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I think that's the middle of America in a lot of ways.

Yeah. But we're extreme. I agree with you 100%. I pull to these extreme sides because of social media. Yeah. Do you have that pull? I will soon. Thank you. I don't care less who you marry. I'm not talking about you, talking about in general. If you're my friend, you're my friend. If we have common ground, we have common ground. If you treat me, I treat people with the golden rule. If you do return the favor, we're going to be homies. Don't take my, don't tell me the government to tell me to stay home though. Don't tell me if you're the government, you can't leave your house.

Don't tell me if you're the government where I can shop or where I can't shop or how I can go about my shopping. Don't tell me if you're the government what I need to wear or what I need to cover. Don't tell me if you're the government that I need to prioritize big box over locally owned and operated. Don't tell me that. I didn't change a damn thing during COVID. You got that graph? Working on it.

Unbelievable. Juan Sarmiento says, Kuch is definitely a man, Judah, of questionable character and morality. Kuch is from a political arena and razor blade is from the business end, but that does not detract from his far right views that he's known for. The extent of what Burt is known, do we have the graph? I'm working on it. The extent of what Burt is known for is returning UVA to its traditional roots. Did he do it in a bull in a china shop? Path or approach? Yes, he did.

And you know what? There's something to be said for people that go about their life true to themselves regardless of how people judge them. Some of my best friends in life, and you know what, Me to a certain extent, me to a hundred, I take that back, me to a thousand person, thousand percent extent. I could really, do you know what is a truly liberating feeling and a truly empowering feeling in life? Do you know what a truly empowering feeling is life?

When you wake up every day and you don't give a shit what other people think of you. You wake up every day and you're like, this is who I am. I am going to be that person every day, regardless of other people think, because it's too exhausting to fake. Right? It's too, it's too, it's too tiring to keep up with these ploys and these various faces. So I'm just gonna do this and if you don't like it, that's okay. We don't have to be friends. We don't have to talk. If you do like it, I'm gonna give you the golden rule approach and I hope you give it back and if you burn me once, fine, I'll give you a second chance burn me twice

There won't be a third But when you wake up every day, and you're just true to who you are as a person You don't have this like mind sense spent on what your personality is going to be Depending on who you're talking to so it opens up so much bandwidth to pursue other fantastic qualities that God has given you Can we show the graph? It's on screen. Okay, take a look at the screen. Thank you, Deep Throat.

This is a Gallup National Survey with the headline, Do You Think Marriages Between Same-Sex Couples Should or Should Not Be Recognized by the Law as Valid with the Same Rights as Traditional Marriages? Notice how the should not be valid, be recognized by the law as valid with the same rights as traditional marriages. Notice how the should not be valid, the blue line is plummeted over the last what, 20, 30 years probably? And notice the green line should be valid, has skyrocketed. The temperature on the street for American voters is a temperature, I would bet you,

in large portion of socially, Yonkin in a lot of ways has embodied some of those qualities. That's why this Cuccinelli appointment is just head scratching. Yeah. Jeremy Wilson's watching in Tennessee. He says, certain agendas are forced upon people. That's the big issue. How someone lives is their choice, but to force others to like it is the problem.

That's it. That's it. I don't care what someone does in the house, in their house, in their time. I don't care. It's forcing me to do something that is the problem. And that was my whole problem with how the pandemic was managed. It was dictated to us. We were in a dictatorship. We were told to, what was it called when we had to be in

our houses, lockdown, sequester. We were told not to leave. We were told you can't learn school in classrooms. We were told you're forced to wear a mask. We were told you can't shop local. You can't go to your favorite restaurants or your favorite shops or your favorite breweries or bars or your favorite boutiques, your favorite salons and couldn't get haircuts. We were told you need to shop with these big box stores because they're doing, we know they vetted the proper pandemic protocols or shop online. We were seduced and romanticized and tantalized

like greyhound dogs chasing a rabbit at a racetrack with money in the mail. I know we don't like what you're doing, the government says, but we'll give you money to stay home. So we towed the governmental line because they were pumping money into our mailbox. This whole $5,000 Elon Musk doge payment that people are talking about,

you want to know something crazy? The $5,000 Elon Musk Doge payment, you read about that? A little bit, yeah. I think that's some bull duty too. You know why I think that's some bull duty? When the government gives you money like that in your mailbox, sends you the money, there's always strings attached. And you know what the strings that were attached during the money that came in the mailboxes to COVID? You know what those strings that were attached? It was these strings.

Lock down at your house, don't leave your house. Prioritize big box over locally owned and operated. Wear mask all the time. Become obese because you're not leaving the house. Gain weight. Oh, by the way, it's going to cause massive inflation. It's going to prop up the stock market. It's going to make the housing ecosystem out of control expensive. Since COVID collateral damage, houses out of control expensive, we're going to

massively deflate interest rates. Oh, there's going to be no collateral damage to offering Americans 2% and 3% rates. Americans that otherwise could not afford to buy homes now able to afford homes because of historically low interest rates. Now 40, 50, 60% of America's not getting off those interest rates. Golden handcuffs, the people that are trying to buy houses, young millennials and Gen Zers can't buy homes because there's no inventory. Why would there be inventory?

Why would you give up two and 3% 30 year mortgage vehicles? Collateral damage from COVID and that money that comes into our mailbox from the government. We didn't push back or ask the questions because they instilled fear in us and they told us what to do and then they seduced us and romanticized us and tantalized us like greyhounds on a racetrack chasing a machine rabbit with money. What's the strings attached with the 5,000 Doge payments? Do we not think giving everyone $5,000 is going to create inflation? Do we not think giving everyone $5,000 is going to have additional strings?

Not every dollar is worth the same. I've learned, I've been in business self-employed for 17 years on May 29th. Seventeen years of waking up every day and figuring out how I'm going to pay the mortgage, feed my family, my wife's a stay-at-home mom, got two boys, school tuition. Seventeen years of that. And taking 17 years to figure out, not 17 years, probably figure that out halfway through. Not every dollar is worth the same. You see it firsthand with this. Got some clients that are paying X amount of dollars,

other clients paying X amount of dollars. And it's oftentimes the clients that are paying the lowest amount that create the most headache. Is it not? We're an hour and four minutes in onto this program. Ken Cuccinelli is on the Board of Visitors. I would encourage you to research who Glen Yonkin has appointed to the UVAB OV.

I thank Deep Throat for giving us that chart. Thank John Blair, the viewers and listeners for these kind of comments. I appreciate you guys doing this, riding along this show with us. Two items out of the notebook. And Mr. Sellers of the Jefferson Council, the Executive Director, I sincerely mean this. Come on the program.

We had the previous Executive Director on the show. What was that man's name? I have to look it up. Mr. Sellers, come on the show. Pass it along to Burt Ellis to come on the show too. Sincerely mean that. Last items out of the notebook, Curtis Staples, Thomas Neal, the president of the Jefferson Council, came on the program in the past. Curtis Staples, former UVA basketball great, is, according to the Augusta Free Press, interviewing for the general manager position with this men's basketball team. What's intriguing about that is that general manager's position may report to the athletic director and may not be an underlink of the head coach Ryan Odom. And the last item of the notebook is Isaac McNeely is now being linked to the University of Kentucky, to the North Carolina Tar Heels,

to the Louisville Cardinals, to the West Virginia Mountaineers, while still potentially keeping his options open at the University of Virginia. If Isaac McNeely has a chance to play at UNC, Kentucky, Louisville, and West Virginia, he clearly made the right decision of entering the transfer portal. And I want McNeely to end up in the best situation possible with the most money earned possible. I think he deserves that with his last year of eligibility. I want to remind the viewers and listeners that tonight if you do not have tickets to the Pro Renata show Judah

with Tim Shropshire there are $10 tickets and you have a nationally known comedian in Crozet at Pro Renata, one of the funniest guys in the business, Tim Schropshire. And speaking of locally owned and operated, support the businesses that you wanna see make it another 60 years. And the Vermillion family, they embody that quality. We saw them yesterday.

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