The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Youngkin Names Bryce To VA Education Board; Cause & Effect Of Youngkin Picking Bryce...

Episode Date: July 25, 2024

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Good Thursday afternoon, guys. I'm Jerry Miller. Thank you kindly for joining us on the I Love Seville show. It's great to connect with you guys through the I Love Seville network, a show that airs across all social platforms. J-dubs, if you could, check the I Love Seville group for us. Take a look at the screen, viewers and listeners, for today's headlines. A lot we're going to cover on the program, including a Virginia

Education Board, Virginia Board of Education appointment by Governor Glenn Youngkin that is resonating throughout the Commonwealth, certainly here in Central Virginia. Dr. Meg Bryce, who ran for the at-large seat with the Albemarle County School Board, she lost to Allison Spillman in what may have been the most followed school board race, I can't believe I'm saying this, in American history, quite possibly the most followed school board race in American history, the governor, Glenn Youngkin, has now appointed Meg Bryce to the Virginia Board of Education. And this is a prominent appointment for a very influential board that has responsibilities of setting statewide curriculum standards, establishing high school graduation requirements, deciding the qualifications the teachers may have or

must have, establishing state testing assessment criteria, and accreditation programs. This appointment, in some ways, has a greater impact on public schools than the impact Dr. Bryce would have had had she had won the at-large seat in Albemarle County. In some ways. In all ways. Yeah. Had she had won, that's due to Wick Howard's voice. We want to make sure we get his handsome mug on screen over there so he's not just the voice of the gospel that is the I Love C-Vote show. I will say this.

If she had won a spot on the Albemarle County School Board, had she had beaten Allison Spillman, she would have been vastly outnumbered on that board. Probably in most voting scenarios, the lone vote on the side that she voted upon. No doubt, which is why it was strange how terrified people seem to be. The community was with her winning. Yeah.

Right. So there's a lot we're going to unpack on this show, Judah. I ask you this question before the program starts every day we're on air. Which headline do you find most compelling today? We've got a lot of ammunition for the third straight day, right? Man, which headline do you find most compelling today? We got a lot of ammunition for the third straight day, right? Man, it's a toss-up. I mean, I'm very much interested in hearing and finding out how the whole thing goes with Bryce's appointment.

I'm also interested in our Seville City Council about to vote on ranked choice. And I'd love to hear what our viewers think. We've got commentary already in from Deep Throat on ranked choice voting. Nice. I look forward to listening to it. I look forward to learning from Deep Throat like we always do on ranked choice voting. He's also offering commentary on Meg Bryce. Viewers and listeners, let us know your thoughts on the governor's appointment of Dr. Bryce. That's the headline and the storyline I'm following the closest. I will set the stage here and then we have to unpack the storyline. The governor has appointed Dr. Meg Bryce to the Virginia Board of

Education. I've already highlighted the Virginia Board of Education. I've already highlighted that the Virginia Board of Education, when it comes to public schools in the Commonwealth, has tremendous influence and accountability, setting statewide curriculum standards, establishing high school graduation requirements, deciding what qualifications teachers must have, establishing state testing, assessment, and accreditation programs.

This appointment has surprised many in Central Virginia. Surprised, perhaps irked, many in Central Virginia. That's clear by the Daily Progress article. The Daily Progress article, I was stunned how the article was written. So was I. I was stunned by the photo

that was chosen for the article. I was stunned by the headline where it doesn't even utilize her name. I was stunned how it was depicted being the daughter of somebody as opposed to the person she is today. I was stunned with the sub-headline, which is the headline right below the primary headline

where they say she has no children in the public school system. I mean, this is slanted coverage. I've got to be straightforward. They're definitely leading with their bias. It's an agenda leading with their bias. We will have to unpack that on today's show. We'll talk the cause and effect of Youngkin appointing Bryce.

And frankly, we have to ask this question. Just because Youngkin has made the appointment doesn't mean it's official. Right. She still has to be confirmed. By the General Assembly. And it's a simple majority that needs to confirm her. The General Assembly of Virginia, made up of delegates and state senators, 100 members in the House of Delegates, 40 and the Senate of Virginia. She needs a simple majority to get on this board. Previous Yunkin appointments, appointees, some have struggled to get that simple majority. There is already delegates tied to our area, Katrina Colson, who's come on this

show, Amy Laufer, who are saying they are not going to approve this move by Youngkin. Yeah, I mean, you can see the campaigning wheels starting. There's going to be a massive push to keep her out. 100%. Question I have for you. Question I have for you, the viewer and listener. Question I have for you, Judah Wickauer. The school board race captivated the country and certainly the commonwealth.

It was a race full of hate and name calling and media attention. One of the ugliest local elections I've seen from a political signs being graffitied. Oh, yeah. I was just going to mention that mudslinging. We saw people label candidates, marginalized candidates, demean candidates. Are you surprised that Bryce chose to get into the political forum again after such a hate-filled school board race that saw not only her but her family in a commonwealth, if not regional, if not nationwide spotlight. I mean, I don't think she went looking for this, but I would think that this appointment might come as a bit of... Because she could say no.

I don't want to do it. Yeah, she could definitely have said no. I think this may, and I don't want to put words in her mouth or anyone else's, but it may come as a bit of vindication after all the, you know, the rancor that you mentioned. What? As Deep Throat says, she gets the last laugh. She basically ends up above not just our local school boards, but what? I believe it's a district appointment, so she may not. I mean, she's obviously going to be helping to shape... Statewide public school policy. Yeah.

So you think it's vindication? You think it's, as Deep Throat characterizes, the last laugh? I don't see her being the type of person to be laughing at... I see it like this. Someone who wants to get involved and make an impact. Someone getting involved that understands the significant costs of private school education. Someone that previously moved to a school district because of the strength of the public school system. Someone that felt disenchanted with the public school system during the pandemic.

Someone that's willing to do the best for their children, just like all of us as parents, we will do whatever we can for our kids to have the best situation possible. Whether that's school-related, health-related, whether that's exercise-related, anything tied to our children's future, parents, large majority of us will bend over backwards for our children to have better lives than we will. I know our parents do. I know my wife and I do. And I know her family does. She chose to move to a location because of in part the school system. The school system was not meeting standards during COVID. She then chose to take her basketball team of a family and put them in private school.

That line item, I would imagine, is the top one each month from a cost standpoint. And she said, you know what, I would love to contribute in some capacity and help return the public school system to the standard that I know it can reach. A standard that I would feel comfortable for my kids. I do not think it's vindication. I do not think it's last laugh. I do not think it's, aha, I won the battle. Well, I think you may be mischaracterizing vindication. I think vindication is more along the lines of recognition. I don't mean, you know, it's not a matter of...

The point I'm making is I think this is a genuine contribution of her most important element, her time. I think it's authentic. Now, we have to unpack this. We have to unpack it from a media coverage standpoint. We need to unpack it from a general assembly standpoint. We need to unpack it from a politics in central Virginia standpoint. First, a politics and central Virginia standpoint. Let's start there. The Daily Progress story that is covering this appointment is, as Judah characterized it, full of bias. Is that how you characterized it?

Agenda-ridden. Is that how you characterized it? Slanted in its perspective. Is that how you characterized it? I don't want to put words in your mouth. I don't know that I caught any particular agenda, unless it's just... Oh, I think there's definitely an agenda. Well, aside from... Terrible photo, slanted headline, bad sub-headline, reference to her father demeaning her, the person she is today

we are the children of our parents our parents are not who we are today though yeah our parents our mom our mothers birthed us into our this. We're forever grateful for the parenting provided by our parents. Our parents don't determine who we are as people today. She's her own woman. And characterizing her as her father's daughter because of his status on the Supreme Court is marginalizing women in 2024 in everything that women have accomplished from a liberation standpoint. That's what this coverage is doing yet again. It's the same broad stroke,

the same labeling of stay in the kitchen, get an apron on, and make a house and cook some meals. It's demeaning and it's marginalizing and it's unfortunate. And I said that during the election and I'm saying it again today. It's not who she is. And I will say this on today's talk show, and Judah, jump in any time you want want here having a voice that is not potentially tied to the public school system that is willing to pay significant money to be a part of a private school system is a valued perspective we don't want a board of like-minded individuals yes people the

same chefs in the kitchen that know how to cook the same kind of cuisine. We want a kitchen of very different types of chefs that have experience in Thai, American, French, Spanish, Filipino. You get my point. A diverse background board. A board with different perspectives. That eclectic perspective is what makes a strong board. I think the governor knows that coming from the private sector, from a finance sector, from a hedge fund background. I mean, I don't know if, I think if Youngkin had the chance to appoint every single seat on the board, I don't know that he would go for an eclectic group of people with varying perspectives.

But I do agree with you that I would much rather have not just a school board, but any form of government, whether it's our city council or whatever, I would much prefer them to have various viewpoints that get discussed, that get thrown around where you're not just, like you said, a bunch of yes men and women, and where policy can be actively discussed, and we are aiming for what's best for our kids, and if any one side says that they have a lock on that, I would take everything else they said with a grain of salt after hearing that. Deep Throat, we'll get to your comments. Tom Stargel, the Golden Apple Award winner, we'll get to your comments.

Janice Boyce-Trevillian, we will get to your comments. Kyle Irvin, we'll get to your comments. Viewers and listeners, let us know your thoughts. Put them in the feed. We'll relay them live on air. Just because Youngkin has made the appointment doesn't mean it's going to materialize. There needs to be a simple majority, 140 folks, 100 in the House of Delegates, 40 in the State Senate. Simple majority is what with 140, Judah? 71. There we go. 71 right there. Does she get to 71? I don't know enough about the delegates who are going to be voting. I don't know what the makeup is. Does she get to 71?

There's no wrong answer here. The only wrong answer is the answer that's not mentioned. Does she get to 71? I'd like to say she does. This comes in via Facebook DM. Please don't use my name. The Forward Albemarle contingent, including Chris Seaman, are calling their ilk to voice disapproval of Bryce. And the e-newsletter from Forward Albemarle is being shared with me

via DM on Facebook. This from Deep Throat, his photo on screen, while Allison Spillman is left sitting at board meetings to decide on which brand of toilet paper they use at Western Amaral High School. Dr. Meg Bryce gets to set real policy on the Board of Education. Deep Throat also says, Deep Throat. He also says, It reminds me if you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine. He says it's a new low for the Daily Progress, this coverage. And Lee

Enterprises, the parent company of the Daily Progress, he highlights that they now have a market cap of $60 million and calls them a zombie company. Deep Throat, number one in the family, offering his commentary. We appreciate that perspective. Janice Boyce-Trevillian says she's laughing out loud right now to Deep Throat's commentary, as is Judah with a smirk and a chuckle on his face over there. Janice Boyce-Trevillian's photo on screen says, I also wonder if the choice for private school education was done for a safety issue for her family because she's a high-profile family. I would say it was more of a disenchantment of the school system during COVID. And wanting what's best for our kids. And a lot of us were disenchanted with how Almaro County

was running its school system during the pandemic. Tom Stargell, the Golden Apple Award winner, a retired Almaro County teacher, says, by local debacle, first he says, my hope is she will come on the board with guns blazing, especially toward our local debacle. By local debacle, I mean that Alamo County public schools are the poster children for everything that is wrong, lacking, or needs fixing in public education. Kyle Irvin, his photo on screen, he's in the business of communication. He says, SOLs were the benchmark when I was in school. I feel that these standardized tests teach youth how to stay

in a box. It's not a real measure of their critical thinking skills. The curriculum should not be centered around these types of tests, SOLs. Strong comment from Kyle Irvin right there. Yeah, and I've heard from at least one teacher that they don't really follow what the teachers are actually teaching in the class.

So they've got to teach to the SOLs rather than teaching what they want to teach the kids to pass the SOL so that the school can continue getting money rather than trying to be a good teacher and teach the students. You're basically just teaching them to score well on a test. Which is bogus. Yeah. It's absolutely bogus.

It's not the kind of education you want for your kids. Do I think she's going to get a simple majority? I'd say it's a toss-up. Maybe that's a cop-out answer. It is. Did you say yes? I said it is. You said, but did you say yes, she'll get the simple majority? I said I'd like to hear that she did, that she does, but I honestly don't know. I hope, I'll say this, I hope she gets the simple majority

and gets the appointment so she can start setting curriculum standards and becoming kind of like a bellwether or a strong-willed... Voice? Thermometer of our school systems and the Commonwealth. But I'm going to go with no, that it doesn't happen. You don't think it will?

no you think they'll campaign? I think she made one critical error in her campaign and if she could do it all over again it would be her commentary on systematic racism the commentary offered in that NAACP meeting about systematic racism where she was asked if systematic racism exists. Her commentary on that answer was, and I'm going to read it verbatim, it has to be okay,

she says, for some people to be able to say, well, I do recognize that racism exists and there are racist people in the system, but I don't agree that there is systematic racism. She also said, I don't think somebody should be ashamed into silence for expressing that. End quote. With the benefit of hindsight and in retrospect, that answer would be changed. And politics is about hedging risk. Campaigning is about hedging risk from a perception standpoint. And if someone asks in a political setting, a public forum in a debate on the record is there systematic racism

political science strategy campaigning 101 would say systematic racism exists and we as a community we as a society have to do better with dismantling the archaic red tape, the policy, the decisions that go into creating a systematic racist environment in society. So I'm not saying that there isn't systematic racism in schools. I haven't been in school in a long time. But I don't ever hear people discussing what it is and how to get rid of it. pronouncement of what's wrong with schools today, rather than focusing on where it appears and obviously nipping it in the bud, killing it at the root, it's just this kind of, I don't know, does it become a blank check to do what you want because anybody that disagrees with you, like Meg Bryce, is automatically shot down? Labeled? Yeah.

Yeah, I mean it's I feel like it just loses it loses something and just becomes kind of like a catch-all and a way of cutting down dissent. It's systematic racism exists. But the word is utilized

so much, it's becoming buzzword terminology it's like the word fascist that's being thrown around but see again you're not even talking about what actual systemic systematic racism is systematic racism systemic is it systemic or systematic redlining when it comes to housing. But is that? The process of proving people for mortgages, where people of color were denied mortgages at a greater clip than folks that were white. And when you were denied mortgages and the ability to home ownership, next thing you know, you're pushed into pockets of housing tied to rentals or apartments. And when you're pushed into pockets of housing tied to rentals or apartments,

then you're throttled or you're tracked into a certain school system as opposed to other school systems. Some folks choose to live in Ivy or Crozet because of the strengths of the schools. Guess what? There's not a ton of rentals in Ivy or Crozet. But is that the fault of the school?

That's the fault of systematic racism. That is systematic racism. Where for a long period of time in American history, folks of color were much more likely to be turned down for mortgages than folks that are white. And because they were much more likely

to be turned down for mortgages by banks and bankers, they were tracked to certain housing. And that housing was tracked to certain schools. And I've got no argument with any of those statements. And that created an educational pipeline that was not equitable across the board. That's fair. But again, does that mean that there's...

You're not pointing to any kind of systemic racism in the school. You're pointing to something external to the school. And I get what you're saying. It's all part of it. Okay, here's another example. I'm only asking for clarification. Here's another example.

Educators. Predominantly white. Okay. You have educators that are predominantly white. You have a student body that is diverse and look. Would you as a 12-year-old or 13-year-old, if your teachers are predominantly white and you're African-American,

would that impact how you learn? Of course it would. But again, is that racism? Is it racism that more... That an environment creates educators that are homogenous in look? I don't get how you don't understand this I do, I understand that there is systemic racism abounding in our country

but to say it exists everywhere without giving, like I get it you've got white got predominantly white teachers. That's not something that's I believe racist in the system. It's how the system has been set up. But couldn't more... I'm just asking for clarification.

I'm not trying to... You're essentially saying you don't understand that systematic racism exists. That's what you're saying. No, I'm saying I do believe it exists, but every time... I just gave you two examples. Yes, but not in the actual school. Yes, I did. If you can't get a mortgage to get a house,

to go into a school system of quality, a system is in place that is creating pockets of schools tied that are linking or funneling students into classrooms based on look and race. You see what I'm saying? But I don't see that as inherent in the school.

For the sake of a talk show, we'll move on from this for the sake of a talk show. I would not encourage you to run for any kind of campaign and offer that answer on the record. Because that will be turned into the fodder for Jason Ernesto daily progress stories to come. Just a political science or political strategy suggestion. Sure. I mean, heaven forbid that somebody wanting to help kids asks questions. Just a suggestion. From LinkedIn, John Blair. In a February 1, 1985 opinion, the Virginia Attorney General found that confirmation by the General Assembly must still be by a majority of each House of the General Assembly.

Therefore, it isn't 71 always correcting us. Thank you, John. Total senators and delegates needed for the confirmation. Rather, it is 21 votes in the Senate and 51 in the House of Delegates. 72. 21 votes in the Senate and 51 votes in the House of Delegates. Thank you, John Blair. This man knows this better, way better than we do.

So it's 72 votes. Yeah. 21 votes in the House of Delegates. Thank you, John Blair. This man knows this better, way better than we do. So it's 72 votes. Yeah. 21 votes in the Senate and 51. So, John, I got a question for you here. This is a question for you, John. Does it have to be 21 in the Senate and 51 in the House? It cannot be, it has to be that breakdown. It can't be more lopsided like you get 72 in the House and less in the Senate.

Does it have to be 21 in the Senate and 51 in the House for a simple majority? Or can one carry more weight than the other? I should know this. I should have paid attention in Chris Joyce's AP U.S. History class in the 11th grade. Instead, I was probably looking at Lauren in the desk next to me, or Kimberly in the desk in front of me. Sorry, Mr. Joyce. John, please educate me on that. Anything else you want to add here? I appreciate the conversation. Good afternoon to you too, Kevin Yancey. Sandra Holbrook says, true journalism no longer exists. Sandra Holbrook says, the Daily Progress continues to spew misinformation on Meg Bryce just to get clicks. Absolutely pathetic and even

a sad reflection on her society that people believe it. So excited for Dr. Bryce's appointment. Would have loved to have had her in Alamo County Public Schools, but feel she have a more positive impact at the state level. She is an extremely bright woman and is able to clearly see the deficits of our school system and is able to acknowledge if something isn't working, you need to reexamine it. Strong comment from Sandra Holbrook. Vanessa Parkhill in Earleysville. Judah, you jump in after Vanessa Parkhill's commentary here.

Queen of Earleysville says, So, Jerry, if black students should be taught by black teachers to produce better results, should white parents make the same requests? And if I said I prefer a white teacher for my kid, which I never would, what would be said about me? I get the point that you're making there, Vanessa Parkell. I get the point that you're making there. But I would encourage the viewers and listeners to ask yourself this question. If you're 12 years old, if you're 12 years old, do you want someone that looks like you? I get it, but she makes, but she makes a great point. Do you want somebody that looks like you? If you're 12 years old and all your educators look nothing like you, is that going to have an impact on how you learn?

But that's, I mean, that's the same thing as saying we should have more women in X particular part of our world. But you can't force someone to go into whatever it is, finance. You want more women in sports. You want more women in, okay. But we are putting that policy in place to get that diversity in those fields you're talking about

yeah we talked about recently the astronomy department UVA and the fact that they don't have the diversity that they want but the fact of the matter is throwing money at it

hasn't changed anything and you need to go back further. There's not a whole lot you can do at the university level. And I think the same is true in a lot of industries. You have to, like, that's the reason why things like STEM are such a good idea. Is that what I'm thinking? Getting younger people involved in certain industries earlier in school so that by the time they get to college level, they're on track to do you, John. I learned something from you today here. He says, yes, it's a simple majority in both houses. One cannot effectively transfer its votes

to the other house. I learned something today. I should have paid attention to Chris Joyce in 11th grade. John Blair, thank you. 71 votes is not right, like I said. It's 21 in the Senate. There's 40 in the Senate. You need a

simple majority in the Senate for 21. There's 100 in the House. You need a simple majority in the House of 51. You cannot transfer and get more in one than the other. I don't see the simple majority happening. John, do you see the simple majority happening? He knows he definitely would be able to answer that question better than I could. I'm looking at Twitter right now and what's trending on my Twitter account, and it's Youngkin's appointment of Meg Bryce to the Virginia Board of Education. Literally trending right now on Twitter. Now, part of that is tied to the content I'm absorbing on the platform,

but it's on the trending column right now on my Twitter. Philip Dow, Kevin Yancey. Do you want to highlight anything? I have a 120 meeting at Dairy Market. We have a lot of comments, a lot of commentary to get to. I think we should do this. The planning

commission, the fact that the planning commissions of Charlottesville and Almar County have not met in more than five years in joint fashion. That was a nugget from a Sean Tubbs CVO Weekly article. I talked about it yesterday and I called it a travesty that the jurisdictions that are next to each other, the planning commissioners who determine development, housing, commercial, traffic,

everything, have not met in joint fashion in more than five years. I've gotten feedback on my commentary yesterday from a planning commissioner who's indicated that it's Charlottesville in a lot of ways that is preventing the joint meetings from happening, that Almar County planning commissioners do in fact want a joint meeting. We need to save that topic for tomorrow. I think we should save the joint, the rank choice voting topic for

tomorrow, and which local school system is going to be last on cell phone banning. I think it's going to be Charlottesville. It's going to be the last to ban cell phones in schools. We just saw Stanton City schools do it. It's either going to be Charlottesville or Albemarle County.

That's going to be the last to do the ban. We'll talk about those topics. We'll spend a little bit more time before the 1-20 meeting at Dairy Market on this topic. Do you want to highlight the media coverage? I mean, there's so much to unpack just in this one article.

I mean, talking about Spillman describing Bryce's appointment as Youngkin's most recent attempt to weaken Virginia's public education system. Them talking about Meg Bryce trying to bring transparency between the school board and the public. How is that a bad

thing? Right? Very well said. How is that a bad thing? And then they go on to say that, let's see, there was something about Right? Very well said. But they go into Youngkin signing a law in 2022 requiring Virginia schools to notify parents if their children are assigned books with sexually explicit content. Like how – I just – how do you conflate LGBT with a law that says parents should know when their kids are being given something sexually explicit? I want to dissect this article just from a journalism 101 standpoint, okay?

Okay. I started my career out of the University of Virginia working for the Daily Progress as a part-time correspondent, a stringer, was promoted to staff writer, then promoted to editor. One of the youngest editors in Daily Progress history. TV producer, TV host, radio producer, radio host.

Syndicated radio, two TV shows, newspaper, web writing, freelance writing. 16 years ago, launched a business. One of its primary arms is media and content creation. If I'm dissecting this article based on 20 years of media experience, hell, I first was in 2002, 22 years of media experience, I would dissect it this way. The headline doesn't even use her name. It uses her maiden name, not her current name. And it links to her father. The sub-headline throws shade on where her kids go to school. The photo they chose is incredibly not a great photo.

Every person quoted in the article is against the appointment. There's not a single person sourced for this article from a quote standpoint that is in favor of the appointment. Not a single one in favor of the appointment that's offering color and perspective. Not a single one. They bury in the article what the Board of Education responsibilities are about. That's the last paragraph, all the way at the bottom. They link her to her late father.

They marginalize everything that she's accomplished. They continue to demean women with this kind of coverage by basically make it about what her dad has done in his track record as opposed to what she has accomplished. And as Judah highlighted, conflate, is that the word you utilized? Yeah. I mean, agenda. And everything they talk about is what is... I've got 60 seconds. Go ahead. There's so much in here about what they seem to think is likely rather than... There's so much that's not based on fact. On the campaign trail,

told the Daily Progress she was not open to removing or banning books from schools. But Rahaman is concerned that her appointment could result in policies that make book bans more likely. There's just, yeah, a clear bias. And like you said, not a single word from a different perspective. And I'll close with this. Are you... Bryce's commentary that you provided the reporter

was a statement provided. Can you blame her? Of course, in this scenario, you're going to email a statement so nothing can be misconstrued and taken out of context, and there's a paper trail for what I provided you. Yeah. You don't go on the record with something

that you don't trust. And why would you trust? And why would you trust? You said, let's see, have we talked about, have we mentioned... I'm going to be sprinting to my car here, by the way. Jason Armesto. I believe he's come up before.

I want to highlight Jason Armesto. I believe he's come up before. I want to highlight Jason Armesto, and I hope he hears this. I think overall he's done a fantastic job at the newspaper. Under Reynolds Hutchinson and Jason Armesto, the coverage at the Daily Progress really has improved significantly. We subscribe to it. The content has improved

significantly. He's done a good job. This particular piece is a hatchet job. Okay? It is what it is. It's the Thursday edition of the program. Judah Wickower, Jerry Miller. We just try to shoot you straight. Thank you kindly for joining us.

So long, everybody. Good job, Judah. Thank you kindly for joining us. So long, everybody. Good job, Judah. Thank you.