The Iced Coffee Hour - “Harder Than A 9-5 Job!” Stable Ronaldo on Making $400,000/Month & Losing Everything

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Starting point is 00:00:15 Failure is the biggest way to become successful in life. I mean, you have to lose everything to gain everything. Today, I'm building a one-of-one Gt3RF. People are like, streaming isn't harder than a nine to five. When I was playing video games having fun, it wasn't overnight. I spent four years making no money. Like I'm talking like zero money to then finally achieving money. It's all luck at the end of the day to an extent, but it's also the grind. Like you're not going to get lucky sitting in your bedroom doing nothing. So when did you first start

Starting point is 00:00:46 making real money then? Right after I won that tournament, it was quickly where I was making like a million in a year. Like it was like off the bat. How do you come up with all these ideas? Every second that you're not trying to one up yourself, there's someone out there in the world that's doing that. So what would you say is the best and worst investment you've ever made? Uh, my cat. Huh? He made me millions of dollars. No, he made me millions of dollars. I'm serious. How? What do you like? No, he's just, he's just nervous. So why did Faze kick out a bunch of members? Ronaldo, thank you so much for coming on the ice coffee. I really appreciate it. What car did you pull up here in? An Uber. An Uber. See, we were expecting you to pull up in some like crazy

Starting point is 00:01:34 supercar. That was the first thing you told me. Yeah, I thought you're going to be driving the Porsche. If I came in the Porsche, you would have heard it. I'm talking about I have the loudest Porsche here. You modified it? Yeah. What do you do to it? So I put like a $20,000 exhaust onto it. It's like my friend, he works at R1 and he put like this crazy exhaust.

Starting point is 00:01:51 But it's like the loudest one in California. I'll take the full credit for that. I don't care. Do you not get pulled over? No. It's registered in New Jersey. I flew in from New Jersey. Every time I get pulled over.

Starting point is 00:02:01 No, I came for the weekend. Are you nervous saying that like here on? What are you doing about? It's being posted online. There's no way to prove it. I came here for the weekend. Why do you like cars? It's my form of therapy.

Starting point is 00:02:12 I think other people, like, have different forms of therapy. And personally, like, when I started getting into cars, I just, I fell in love with it. I fell in love with, like, the culture. And then, like, driving is just fun to me. Like, some people, I don't know, what do you like? What do you like to do? Pickleball.

Starting point is 00:02:27 Yeah, see, I could never do pickleball. Like, pickleball's athletic. I run out of breath, so. I get the appeal with cars. That used to be my therapy. I used to have a Lotus Elise and then upgraded to a Lotus Exige since years ago. but I used to take it down sunset

Starting point is 00:02:39 through the Malibu Canyon. That's where I go. Yeah. He's being humble. He has a Ford GT as well. Yeah, this was years ago. Oh my God. Wait,

Starting point is 00:02:46 now talk to me. What other cars do you have? 2010 Tesla Roadster. Oh, okay. It's like the OG Tesla Roadster and then a Lotus of Ovorah GTC. Oh, my God. Oh, so he makes money, money.

Starting point is 00:02:58 No, no. So he justifies it because he tries to buy the cars that will go up in value. That's what everyone says. Finance max. Well, how much did you pay for the Ford GT? I paid 306 for it. What did you buy it? What year?

Starting point is 00:03:09 It was 2021. Now, it's probably worth about 425, 430, give or take. So I've made 50% owning the 4GT. Because I drive my, that's the thing. No. Oh, he was even hesitant to drive it to get his marriage license signed. Like, he was like, do I do it, Jack? It's down on the Vegas strip.

Starting point is 00:03:28 Like, I'm concerned about that. See, I buy cars to drive them. That's the thing. Like, I've had, my first car was like a Tesla Model X. That was like when I was like 17. That was my first car. And then I had an Audi RSQ8. And then I drove the shit out of that, almost broke it.

Starting point is 00:03:43 And then I bought a Porsche and then a BMW. And then the Porsche GC3RS and then a Mercedes. So I heard on a podcast that you say you like to spend 10% or less of your income on cars. Oh, okay. Where did that come up? So I've always known like the rule of thumb is if you make like a thousand dollars, you shouldn't spend more than like $100. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:04:03 $10,000. You shouldn't spend $1,000. Like you could always spend more. doesn't matter, but the way I view it is like if I make like $50,000 in a month, like I shouldn't be spending more than like $5 to $10,000 a month on a car, whether that be like financing, leasing, but that comes with like, because you also have gas, you also have insurance, you also have all that. So I kind of added it all together in like one.

Starting point is 00:04:23 That's kind of how I am. Is that a car or is that just fun expenses in general? It's kind of a mixture. The thing is I cut a lot of my expenses. Like when I was like, I would say relevant to like the last year and a half, like when my stuff started to really, like, elevate, like, my career. When I started making, like, hundreds of thousands a month, it was more or less, like, I stopped buying a lot of, but I used to buy, like, a lot.

Starting point is 00:04:46 Like, I used to spend, like, $30,000 a month on, like, clothes. Are you serious? Yeah. How? How do you spend $40,000 a month in clothes? When you buy it, you have to pay the bill. And you have to wear the clothes. Like, are you wearing them?

Starting point is 00:04:59 I stopped. Like, I swear, this shirt I bought, like, two years ago. Yeah, but walk us back, though. What would you spend $40,000 a month on? I mean, food, clothes, gifts. I'm a gift giver. I like buying shit for other people. Yeah, but I mean, I buy food.

Starting point is 00:05:15 I buy clothes occasionally. I buy gifts. You go into Cartier and my girlfriend wants a matching ring. I'm like, okay, let's get matching rings. It's $10,000 for both rings. So it's like, I don't do that shit no more. Yeah, but at the time, what was the launch trip behind it? Were you just not worried about money?

Starting point is 00:05:30 Or was it just you knew you're going to make more soon? Honestly, that's a good question. I feel like I was never worried about money, not just because I had money. I just always knew that I could figure out a way to get money. And that goes back to when I was younger. Like when I was like 15, like I was figuring out ways to make money. Like I just, I said, you know. So you know.

Starting point is 00:05:49 I regret it though. I regret spending that much money. Like I don't do anywhere close to that no more. You knew you were going to be successful at a young age. Yeah. And how did you have that confidence if you had no evidence for the confidence? Well, when I was in school, I was like, okay, I can't do anything in life. Like, I'm not smart enough.

Starting point is 00:06:05 I had a 2.1 GPA in high school. I had about 500, no exaggeration. I think it was like 400, I don't know, it was like in the hundreds of missing assignments for, because I graduated COVID year, but I was still in school. And like, I don't know, but I knew I wasn't going to go to school.

Starting point is 00:06:24 I was like, it's impossible. I couldn't get to college. There's no way. My mom didn't think I was going to get to college, but she didn't care. But I knew I was going to be successful in something because, like, I used to flip, like, Supreme and, like,

Starting point is 00:06:35 sneakers and like all this and I would have like $300 and I turn into like $5,000 like two weeks. She like making money. Yeah, I used to do that shit when I was like 15. Like I was flipping shoes for like yeasies and all that. Like I was figuring out ways to get like a bundle of yeasies. How do you learn how to do that? Bortem. So that was your evidence that you could be successful later in life. Oh, I just knew I could figure out a way to make money. That's how my mom was to like she like I just knew I could make money somehow. And I got lucky though with the internet. I'll be So do you think that you need to be smart to be a good streamer? No.

Starting point is 00:07:05 But doesn't it involve like building a business? No, it is a business. To make money. It's for sure business. I feel like you have to be some sort of intelligent. I would say there's different levels of intelligence. There's book smart. There's like, you know, you could be business smart.

Starting point is 00:07:19 Like, and I think business smart is different from like book smart because it's like anyone can like, there's different. Like you, I'm sure you might be able to figure out math equations better than me or something like that. And then I might figure out something different. You know what I'm saying? Like, I think school, though, it's like, I didn't learn a single thing that helped me now at all.

Starting point is 00:07:37 I felt the exact same way. I think I had worse crazy than you, too, in school. Dude, I genuinely, no exaggeration. I don't remember a single thing from school. So you think some streamers then are kind of dumb? I think most streamers are kind of dumb, but there's different dumbs. Like, it's the same thing.

Starting point is 00:07:51 It's like, there's streamers that are probably dumber than me that make more money or figure out ways to make better content. Like, there's levels to a lot of things, but I definitely think I'm not, like, I don't take myself for an idiot. But like when it comes to like books and like you know like school stuff like and all that. Yeah, I'm not. I couldn't tell you. I think some people are a little too smart for their own good and they tend to overthink things, which then leads them to have like analysis paralysis and they don't even move. They don't have action because they're thinking about all of the negative potential consequences of going out and trying something. Well, that's that's like a big thing. It's like a lot. I feel like a lot of people, not just streamers and including myself, like they're scared to fail. And I feel like that's like one of the most things that I found success in is like when I failed.

Starting point is 00:08:32 a lot of times, it's where I found my peaks. Like, when I first started streaming, I streamed for like three years, and I had like two viewers. I was playing video games, like, when I was 16, when I was flipping and clothes and all that, and I didn't find success in it, but I kept doing it. And then I finally found a win where I was a competitive gamer for Fortnite, and I won a tournament, and that's how I made, like, my first bundle of money.

Starting point is 00:08:52 And then that's when I started having viewership. COVID came in. I had viewership. Then I lost it all. And that's where I failed again. Like, it's like a crazy story. It goes in detail. But, like, when I,

Starting point is 00:09:02 I failed again, like, people were telling me like, oh, like, I peaked or whatever, like, because you know how the internet is. Once you peek, some people just forget about you. That's it. But when I failed again, I was like, okay, I want to, I had the drive to keep going again. That's how I'm peaking now, you know, so it's like. How do you get so good at video games? I've always been good at video games. How? Because a lot of people, like, play video games and I'll argue, they're wasting their time. Like, they could be doing anything else productive. So why did you do video games, get good at it, and make like hundreds of thousands of dollars. I mean, hundreds of thousands, right?

Starting point is 00:09:35 It wasn't 200, man. Yeah, no, from video games. From video games itself, I get it. Yeah, from video games. 200 grand. So when I first started playing video games, I started playing like Call of Duty. And like I was blowing people out of the, like,

Starting point is 00:09:49 in my age. Like, everyone was just, yeah. Hold on now. No, but I was really like, really like advanced for my age. Like everyone always says like, oh, I could have gone pro and cod. Like all kids say that.

Starting point is 00:10:02 Like they're like, oh, I'm so good at Call Duty or whatever. But like, I was really good. I was better at games than other people. I, like, even to this day, you know, like phase adapt. I don't know if y'all know who that is. He was a Call Duty pro, basically, with QuickScope. And I beat him still to this day, right? I'm better than him at video games.

Starting point is 00:10:16 And I'll always be better than that. So it's just a natural talent. Natural talent, yeah. But you think most people that play video games are probably just burning time, basically. Yeah, it's hard to say because I have, like, friends in real life, and I watch them play video games. And I'm like, oh, okay. like you look like you have no clue

Starting point is 00:10:31 what the what you're doing, you know what I'm saying? So it's like certain people I think don't have it and they want it but they can't get it but I don't know like competitive is a whole different story. Like playing casually and competitive is like crazy difference. Like when you were saying like the 200,000 when I won like explain that by the way for people that.

Starting point is 00:10:49 So I won a tournament back in 2019, I want to say. 2019 in December. It was called FNCS. It's like Fortnite Base Base has this competitive series that they do. Fortnite competitive series, I think it's what it's called, FNCS. And every single, like, three months, they host, like, a big tournament where millions of people can try to qualify to win hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions.

Starting point is 00:11:14 They're actually doing one this weekend for, like, $2 million. I don't play anymore, but. And I was, it was, like, one of the first FNCSs, and I was really good, and I had a team with me, and there was, like, millions of people who tried to qualify, and only, you I think it was, I think it was like 20 teams of four. So the format was like four people in one group and there was 20 teams or something like that

Starting point is 00:11:37 or 25 teams like 100 players total. And we ended up qualifying for it. So like top 100 out of like millions. And then when it's the top 100, it's obviously the best of the best and then we won that tournament. And that was like, it was like $200,000 split for four people.

Starting point is 00:11:52 And that was your first real grasp at like attention online because you were streaming beforehand but after this event and winning the event, obviously people are going to be wondering like who are these people that won the event and then maybe your viewership started to go up a little bit. Oh yeah. Like that was my boost and everything. That was like before COVID too.

Starting point is 00:12:07 So like it kind of like it was like a butterfly effect. Like once I won that, the internet like found out who I was. I started averaging like a hundred viewers. How much do you make when you average 100 viewers on Twitch? So it's funny. I was making like it depends. It's all based on hours. So like if you stream like a hundred hours with 100 viewers, you could probably make around like three to $4,000 a month, $5,000 a month, which is amazing. So 100 hours in a month? Yeah. So that's like, what's that wage then?

Starting point is 00:12:36 That's like, what? 30 bucks an hour? Yeah. So you should just do that like eight hours every single day, like a normal job. And you can be making $70K a year. But it's crazy because it was so funny. I got offered by Facebook when I was averaging 100 viewers. It was like right when I started becoming a thing, they offered me like 17K a month at like 17

Starting point is 00:12:55 or 18, however old I was. and it was like, I don't know how much that is a year. Someone to the math. Books by 200 and something grand. Book smart. $200 something a year at like 17. And this is before I knew I was going to make money, but I remember I was talking to my mom, I declined it.

Starting point is 00:13:13 And I wasn't even making 17K a month at that time. I was just like, there's just better opportunities. But yeah, it was crazy because I would have never been here. So they wanted you to go exclusive on Facebook. They wanted to take me to Facebook for 17K a month. and I was like, no, I wasn't even making like one-fourth of that. But I was just like, I don't know, I had a feeling that I could do something better. So when did you first start making real money then?

Starting point is 00:13:37 What's real money? Like, like, to the point of, you know, probably like 100K. Like, I mean, 100K a month? A hundred-k a year. But I'm also going to sound completely like detached real money from reality. Because that's 100K a year is still like insane. But I'm just saying, in terms of like, in terms of streaming. Jack, you changed.

Starting point is 00:13:54 I'm just saying, you see clips of people saying, oh, yeah. making like 200k a month or 100k a month. When did you start making like a couple hundred grand a year? When did it really take off? I would honestly say right after I won that tournament, when I started to get exposure, I started to stream way more. And streaming is like quick.

Starting point is 00:14:12 So it's like people come in and they leave. They might never come ever again. So it's like, but COVID happened as soon as that happened. As soon as I won. And that's where like everyone was on the internet. That's where everyone was on Twitch. I honestly started seeing hundreds of thousands almost instantly after I won that.

Starting point is 00:14:28 It was like very quick because it was like I had months where I was making $30,000 right after that then it was like $40,000, then it'd be like $30,000 and then it'd be like $60,000 and then you get to quarter three, quarter four of the year and it's like $70,000 a month, $80,000 a month and I remember Christmas it was like $110 and then this is before sponsors.

Starting point is 00:14:47 Like it was quickly where I was making like a million in a year. Like it was like off the bat almost. And that's where I was like, I feel like it was like a blessing in disguise, well, was not taking that Facebook deal because it was like almost instantly after. But I imagine going from someone that wasn't earning that much when, you know, you were in your teens and whatnot. But I had a really good graphs of money. And I think that has to do with my family, like my mom,

Starting point is 00:15:11 because I've seen my mom like work multiple jobs for me and try to put up like food on the table, et cetera. So like I never was the type to like spend. Like when I first got, when I got my first check, the $50,000. that I won from the 200. I offered it to her. I actually wrote her a letter and tried giving it to she declined it. And then I upgraded my computer so I could play better and stream better. But I did buy off white Jordan ones. That was my first. How much does those cost? Those were like 3,000 at the time. But I still have them. Those were like my trophy. That was the only stupid thing I bought when I first

Starting point is 00:15:42 made money. But everything else I kept. Like I remember seeing in my bank, I'd look at my bank and I'd be like, yo, this has $47,000. And I'm like, yeah, I'm like 17. I'm like, oh, man. And what about taxes? You're thinking about taxes, filing. At first, I wasn't, because I was like $40,000. I was like, I'm going to try to skip taxes. Okay. I did pay my taxes. I paid my taxes, everything.

Starting point is 00:16:04 I paid more than what I owe, just because I love the government. So I made the $50,000. And when I made the $50,000, I would look at it, but I would never spend it. Like, I'd always just let it sit. Like, I've always liked seeing money in my bank, which is stupid. By the way, you shouldn't have money in your bank. So starting a business is super exciting, but let's be real. The legal side of things can be extremely overwhelming.

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Starting point is 00:17:31 shouldn't have money in your bank but I would always like seeing it and then when like I started seeing like $50,000 come in like $100,000 come in etc I would just I literally never spent money the the only thing I bought as soon as I made I think it was $300,000 which took me like four months five months, I bought the house that my mom was living in. I paid it off, and now I just let her have it. So basically, but that house right now is from $300,000, and now it's worth like half a million. So, yeah, when I'm ready to kick her out.

Starting point is 00:18:01 Now, when I was doing research for this, I've seen a lot of these videos, like the rise and fall. Yeah. And then the rise back up again. What's it like having those videos made? Oh, I mean. Do you watch them? If you know my story, like this could be like a 30-minute

Starting point is 00:18:15 just talk of just my story. A lot of people, I feel like respect me a little bit more than like a lot of people only because I was like really high up. Like I peaked like crazy during COVID. Like everyone knew me on Fortnite. Everyone knew me on Twitch in a sense. Like they just knew who I was. And I was seeing numbers that I'd never seen before. Like people were talking about me like, yo, this guy's the new XQC, the new biggest stream, whatever it is because I was averaging like 30,000 viewers out of nowhere.

Starting point is 00:18:42 Then it'd be like 60,000. That'd be like 70,000, which is insane on Twitch. that's like top 0-0-0-0-1. That's like top 5 on Twitch basically at the time. And then it just slowly started to decline over time when COVID went away, when Fortnite became less big. And I also lost, like, hope in playing the game. Like, I got bored.

Starting point is 00:19:02 I got depressed, et cetera. I had a lot of shit happen to me in life. And that's kind of where, like, flatlined. And there's a website. If you go, it's called Twitch tracker, you can literally see it if you want. And if you type my name and you could see the line go up and then down like crazy. and then it went back up again because I was like,

Starting point is 00:19:17 I gotta get up, you know what I'm saying? But then how were you okay making, you know, like, I'm guessing when you're averaging 60,000 viewers, like you could be making hundreds of thousands of dollars per month. Oh, you do, yes.

Starting point is 00:19:28 And then you see that decline and then you see your revenue numbers I went for making around, I could probably, if I had a laptop, I could literally pull it up and show you. I went for making, I would say, an average of like 60

Starting point is 00:19:41 to like 120, a month just on Twitch for like a good year and a half and then right as it started decline it went from like 60 to 40 grand a month then 20 grand a month then 10 grand a month and then two like I had a month where I made two grand a month like how are you okay seeing those numbers so I wasn't I wasn't I was spending around I lived in LA at the time alone and obviously my numbers go down friends stop hitting you up certain people like friends I thought I had like you know aren't my real friends family, like different type of thing, past relationships. You know what I'm saying? There was a lot that happened, but I lived alone and I had my rent. My rent was like $5,000 a month at the time.

Starting point is 00:20:25 Fuck Tolaria, by the way, in Burbank. That place is $5,000 a month and I lived in a little square. It was the worst shit ever. I loved living there, a low key, but it was not worth it. But I was paying like $5,000 a month. And then my expenses, like, when I would go shopping, I'd get to press shopping. People do that. Or like, buy food or whatever. I was, spending more than I was making a month. So I was noticing a decline in my bank like really quick. And at the time, I don't want to sound like out of touch. But like at the time I had like 160 grand, 200 grand in my bank, but I was losing like 10 to 20 grand a month. So you see it just running out. So I was really I was running out, which is by the way, I know that's a lot of money.

Starting point is 00:21:04 That's that's that's a lot of money. It's my fault. I lost the money. Whatever, right? However, this gets cut up and they're like, oh, be grateful. Um, But no, I would see money, I would see money start to go down. And I'm like, I have text with my mom. I was like, I'm, I was like, I don't know what to do. And then I literally just stopped spending money at all. And I lived off like 160 grand. I barely moved anything for like four months.

Starting point is 00:21:27 And then I was like, I got to stream again. I got to do this again. And I found love in streaming, though. It was really fun. I truly, like, it sounds corny, cliche, but like genuinely, like, I never did it for money. Like, I genuinely liked streaming. That was the craziest part because I always wanted to be an online. entertainer. So when I had the opportunity for it, I was like, oh, this is amazing. This is everything I

Starting point is 00:21:48 ever wanted. That's why I really don't look about how much money I make now. I know how much money I make now, but like, I don't, it doesn't phase me no more. Like, you'll have, people will go crazy if like you make a hundred grand a month. And the next month, you make 90. Oh, I failed. You know what I'm saying? Because it's like, how did I not reach the same level? I don't care about it. How do you make sure you're not overspending? I don't buy. I don't buy a lot. So your default is don't spend it. Oh, I don't buy a lot. How much do you think you personally spend per month? Oh, I know how much I have my A-Mex. How much you spend?

Starting point is 00:22:15 Last month I spent 10,000 on my Amex, which is a lot. Yes, it's a lot. That's actually not that bad. I was talking about for business expenses too. So, yeah, not with business expenses. But, like, I don't really count this because it's like taxed right off. Sure, yeah. But, like, so my employees, I have someone who gets paid around like $5,000.

Starting point is 00:22:32 I have my YouTube editor who takes, I think it's like 30% of my YouTube because he does the thumbnails, he does the editing, he does the posting, he finds the, whatever it is. I have my TikTok person who takes around, like, I think it's like 40% of my TikTok because I just let them have it because it makes good money. And then I pay them on top of that. But business expenses, not including the percent,

Starting point is 00:22:52 I only spend like 10K a month on like employees too. So it's like if I have 10K a month employees, 10K a month, that's $20,000. That's light compared to how much you're making. Yeah. Well, yeah, I would say. And it's, but it's also like tax related. You know what I'm saying? It's like, it is.

Starting point is 00:23:08 It's going to help you make more money. I mean, we spend more than that on business expenses for the ice coffee hour per month. Oh, yeah. Oh, way more. Oh, my gosh. Each episode when we like break down the cost to produce, it's way higher. And had you told me this like five years ago, I'd be like, dude, don't. Let's not do it.

Starting point is 00:23:22 The thing is there's certain days or there's certain months we're like investing into content to. Like I use that on my Amex, but like most of that money, the $10,000 a month is from my content. Like I really don't buy clothes at all. Like I don't. Or I don't buy jewelry. I don't buy none of that stuff. But the $10,000, like, for instance, like a good example is I just did this out. ring thing. I don't know if you guys know what Eldon ring is. I played it last month and I spent

Starting point is 00:23:44 around like 30 to 40,000, no, I think it was 30,000 on building the set where I did only a white room where I couldn't leave the room. It was just white, where I couldn't leave the room until I beat Eldon Ring. And I put $30,000 into that, which is, people would be like, oh, you're investing $30,000 into content. That's kind of crazy. But the return was like $80 to $90,000. So I tripled for what I put in. So it's like, it pays off for like what you do. How do you come up with all these ideas. I got to say, I feel like streaming is one of the hardest things when it comes to it.

Starting point is 00:24:15 Thank you. No, it's harder than a 9 to 5. Thank you. I used to go live once a week years ago, and it was tough to be live for an audience and constantly have to be on. And that was for like an hour and a half a week. I like this. I like this.

Starting point is 00:24:29 A lot of respect because anyone can, the argument is, by the way, you can make this into a funny clip however you want, because I'm serious about this too. People are like streaming isn't harder than a lot. a nine to five. There's different ways, by the way. I'm telling you, he might be giggling by now. I'm I'm telling you. It is hard and I give credit to people because I want to see people do it. People are like, oh, I can become a streamer. So do it. So become a streamer. Okay, so I'm going to make the argument that streaming is harder than a nine to five because if you're not at the top of your game, every single minute. Your entire career falls off. Every second. A nine to five, you could technically

Starting point is 00:25:07 skirt by doing the bare minimum. If you did that, on streaming, no one would watch you. The only argument people have when they say 9 to 5 is harder or easier. Yeah, when they say streaming is easier than 9 to 5, the only argument is like, oh, I see what you do on stream. I could do that too. But how did I get to this point? How did I get to this point? I recommend anybody do that when they say like, oh, YouTube videos are so easy. Absolutely. Do it. A hundred percent I recommend doing it. If it's so easy, do it. It's free. You could, I could, you could literally start a stream right now. Here's where the argument turns, though, is when they say a 9 to 5 is hard relative to how much you make. And so,

Starting point is 00:25:39 But when you look at the hour to hour payment that you get, it's like, well, yeah, I would do that if I was making millions of dollars a year. For sure. But also the people that say that they would do it if they got paid millions, they don't understand. Like, there's always comparisons. They're like, oh, do you not understand a nine to five? You're not making as much money. And like, how can you be sad as a millionaire's the argument always or whatever?

Starting point is 00:26:00 It's like that. But it's like, when you're in the position, you understand the position more. Similar to a nine to five. It's like, if I was working a nine to five, I would understand the position more. So people who say, people who work nine to fives or whatever, which by the way, That has never streamed. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There's no shame in working, sorry for the saying the slur, a job.

Starting point is 00:26:18 You know what I'm saying? Like, is that a slur? I don't know. We don't say that word here. No, but seriously, anyone who works a job, there's like, I would understand their position if I worked their job. The same way they have no input on my position because they've never worked my job to my level.

Starting point is 00:26:33 It's the same thing. It's like if, if they want me, if people want me to respect a nine to five five, which I do, they have to respect what I do. That's the thing is they don't. They see entertainers as like puppets or it's like it's easy, it's not. It's not easy. Like to get to your guys's position how you build your podcast. It wasn't overnight. You know what I'm saying? Same thing with me. When I was playing video games having fun, it wasn't overnight. I spent four years making no money. Like I'm talking like zero money to then finally achieving money. But like most people, they'll be like, oh, year one, I don't make money. Oh, should I quit? Year two, I don't make money. Oh, I'm done.

Starting point is 00:27:06 You know what I'm saying? It's the meme of the guy with the diamond pickax in the mind. Oh, yeah. He's like so close. He's right there. It's like, okay. When I sell my business, I want the best tax and investment advice. I want to help my kids.

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Starting point is 00:27:45 Because the difficulty with streaming that I've noticed is you have to keep one-uping yourself. And if you elevate and you stay there, then people get bored. The problem is there's people doing it right now as I speak. They're trying to one-up me right now. Whether they're small, whether they're big,

Starting point is 00:27:58 they want it. The saying is, there's not like a saying, but it's like, I guess like a good way of example, like an example of this is like, when you look at YouTubers back in the day, they're inspiring like kids, right? Like Roman Atwood, he's inspired. A great example is literally Kaysenat right now.

Starting point is 00:28:14 So he just, Kaysenat just had Roman Atwood. But Roman Atwood made vlogs for entertainment, right? He didn't realize he was entertaining Kaysenat. And that's what he was talking about. And now look where Kaysanat is, someone who was chasing that. Like right now there's someone who probably watches me who wants to be better than me. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:28:30 Like, they don't want to be better me in a way like, oh, I want to be better than Ron. But they're like, they want to be a YouTuber. They want to be a streamer. And realistically, there's probably going to be someone that's more successful than me who watches me or who knows who I am. So it's like every second that you're not trying to one up yourself, there's someone out there in the world that's doing that. So how do you come up with ideas? Dude, I mean, it's really just reformatting, like, other people's ideas. I wouldn't, I'm not going to sit here and say I'm super creative, but like I do think that's how the internet is now.

Starting point is 00:28:56 I feel like everyone has done a lot of things. And it's just reformatting it in your own ways. And I think that's the whole point of entertainment is like, people are like, oh, you steal content. you copy content. Like when I did Elden Ring, people were like, oh, XQC has done this, Kaysenad has done this, or whatever, you just stole their idea because it did good. I was like, in a way, I was like, yeah, it does good on the internet. Like I got inspired, right? People don't like to use that word inspired because they don't believe in that. You know what I'm saying? They think it's just I copy, I copy, copy, copy. But then I was like, okay, I had this idea with

Starting point is 00:29:30 one of my business people who, when I was saying, like my employees, who helps me with ideas he basically plans my whole month, but we had an idea where we wanted to stream in a white room where I literally didn't read my chat, I didn't have my phone for five days, I didn't know what time it was, and literally it was going to be nothing. Like I'm talking like, it literally would have just been

Starting point is 00:29:48 like a surveillance cam of just nothing for five days, just me sitting in the room. And then I thought about it was like, why don't I play Eldon Ring in the white room and I can't leave it until I be Eldon Ring? And I look on YouTube, I look on place, and no one's ever done that. So it was like my own spinoff

Starting point is 00:30:02 and I think that's where I found success in that. know, like nobody, nobody has done it. But, like, creating ideas, I feel like, I don't know. It's like, how did you guys create a podcast? Like, there was podcasts before. You know what I'm saying? It's like, you have to create your own spin off it, like, whether it be like talking about finances or talking about, like, things that people don't get to see, you know, it's like questions like that. But I don't know. I wouldn't say I'm the most creative, but I'm definitely creative in a sense that like anything gets put in front of me, like I can turn it into something, you know? So I don't know if that answers your question. Yeah. I'm also curious we

Starting point is 00:30:37 spoke about, you know, expenses and then how you're reinvesting back into things. We spoke about cars. Another thing is watches. Because we did see that you wore a, uh, in your engagement photo, you were wearing an AP Royal Oak skeleton. I'm not actually engaged. Is, well, yeah, I don't see it. It was a promise ring. I forgot to wear it. I'm not going to. I don't see it. Yeah, I don't see a ring there. I'm curious. Is it real? Yes. I have how much, how much, how much is it? So that watch, I believe, is around like 120, 130. It's a 38 millimeter, I believe. I could be wrong.

Starting point is 00:31:13 I think it's 38 or 39, I forget. But I have all the boxes. I have all the papers. How'd you get it? I actually got it certificated or whatever from AP because I went there. Where'd you buy it? Through a friend. His name's Zoms.

Starting point is 00:31:25 He sells watches to like streamers. He sells watches to like XQC. He sells watches to all these people. He's very legit. He gets all of his watches from the places. and he gives good deals. But yeah, it was 120,000, 100, 30,000. But I don't really wear it that much

Starting point is 00:31:39 because I'm scared to wear it. But I have insurance on it. So if anyone wants to come rob me, go ahead, take it off my first. I have insurance. Why buy that one? Are you big of my watch's too? I always wanted an AP.

Starting point is 00:31:51 Okay. And then I always wanted, obviously, the open work, like the skeleton look. And I love rose golds. I think it's good with my skin. Yeah. And I remember one day, I actually have a picture.

Starting point is 00:32:01 I think I tweeted before where one of my friends let me wear his. And I was like, but I told myself that whenever I buy my first watch, or not my first watch, but I told myself whenever I buy my first AP, I wanted to be that one. And I wanted to be like during a special event. And that was, I bought that watch after last year. Actually, funny enough, literally today, basically, like 30, it was like in October around, but we streamed, you know, Phase Clan.

Starting point is 00:32:26 We streamed 30 days straight 24-7 last September, which would be right now. And then after that, I found. so much success in that. I was like, you know, bro, I'm just going to buy my dream watch. So how much money do you spend on watches? Right now I have the Bat Girl, Rolex, 2025. That was a gift from Los Polos. Shout out to Los Polos. I beat him in a 1v1 on Fortnite for it. I gave him 99 kill leads where he had 90. He had to kill me once. I had to come 100 times. I beat him. So he gave me that. Steve will do it. Gave me the Rolex Starbucks, the green dial one. I had actually I don't even remember

Starting point is 00:33:02 I have a Rolex I forget which one that Clicks bought me it's just like a date just I believe and then I also have a Cardier I get gifted a lot of watches

Starting point is 00:33:12 I have a cardiac skeleton it's the black Santos black one that was gifted to me by Jason my friend in Phase Clan

Starting point is 00:33:20 and then I bought my mom in AP it's a white I forget what it was it's like 36 millimeter it's like a white face I don't know what it is, but it was like $30,000 I bought. I heard that. And then I bought my watch.

Starting point is 00:33:36 That's a solid collection. You need to protect, though. I know. I've recently started to get into them because I saw someone wear it and I was like, I didn't really understand them. I thought they were like, I was like, look at it. I know I'm like, they look pretty plain. Yeah, I was going to say, they look plain, but I like it. It's like a piece. It's like a status piece. Like you put it. It's like, okay. If someone paid you $100,000 for one year to only wear an Apple watch 24-7, would you? Yes. What about $500,000 for one year to only ever drive a Toyota Prius?

Starting point is 00:34:06 Can I drive my car for fun on the weekend? No. No. Just a Toyota Prius. You can only drive a Toyota Prius for $500,000 a year. Would you do it? Yes. I would do it.

Starting point is 00:34:16 Why not? A car is a car. Car gets you from point A to point B. Because you love cars. I do love cars, but I also am not a dumbass. Would you do it for $100 grand? No. There we go.

Starting point is 00:34:25 There we go. No. I honestly think, like, that's a dumbness. actually a good point, like funny enough, like joking around with that, but like going into a point, like, when I bought my car, people are like, oh, you bought a car to be flashy, you bought a car to be stupid. I bought it because it's like, unironically, like, that's my life. Like, I love driving cars to the point where if I have to spend a stupid amount of money on a car, it's not stupid to me because like, that's what makes me happy. That's what gives me a drive. Like, when I was

Starting point is 00:34:51 talking about like my fall off or whatever and then I started to come back, my goal was always to by a Porsche 9-11. And then on my 21st birthday, I bought a GT3. And I was like, I bought it and I was like, this is the stupidest shit ever. But it drove me, play on words. It drove me to like make more money and work harder

Starting point is 00:35:11 because I was like, okay, I have this car. Now I have to upkeep the car. You know what I'm saying? Like, I have to work. I have to keep going. And that kind of, that's what drives me in life is cars, I swear. It's interesting.

Starting point is 00:35:21 A lot of people are motivated by like spending all their money down and then they got to make it back. Yeah, I mean, to me, it's stupid as, but like, it's not materialistic stuff for me. Like, it really isn't. It's, it's unironically, it's like how I have a drive in life. Like, I swear. Like, if you told me I'm an idiot for buying a car, I wouldn't believe you, because it makes me want to work hard. It makes me enjoy life.

Starting point is 00:35:43 Like, I drive my car every single weekend to Irvine, California, or like, Laguna Beach or Newport, just to it. Like, that's how I enjoy my life, you know? Now, in terms of streaming, how much is authentic versus, like, manufactured for the clip. Now, one of the hardest parts about eating healthy is actually having good food ready when you need it. Like, for me, when I'm really busy, sometimes I find myself just falling back to snacks or getting takeout because it's the fastest.

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Starting point is 00:37:09 Yeah. And you can ask a lot of different people that. There's two points where it's kind of dangerous. And I think it goes back to like high school. I was always kind of like autistic, basically. Like, I would run around and just, sorry if that fend, I would run around and just dude's stupid or like just be annoying

Starting point is 00:37:26 or whatever it might be and it's still here to this day like for instance like we got swatted once at the house and there's no cameras by the way we all go outside there's no cameras and one of my friends was reaching in his

Starting point is 00:37:38 like pocket for his like ID to show the cop and I was like screaming like there's no cameras I was like he's screaming I was like he's reaching for a gun he's reaching for a you said that? Yeah off camera because that's just who I am like I just I joke what if he got like you know

Starting point is 00:37:52 he's not going to get it was a joke but like the cops the cops are cool like I the thing is I feel like a lot of people nowadays like streamers like try to form clips like they really do and like I made a saying once it was a joke I said I am the clip

Starting point is 00:38:07 like that was like the joke I really don't like intentionally form clips like it just naturally happens like I've never paid a clipper I don't know if you know that people pay clippers for TikTok I've never done that like stuff naturally happens and I think that's why people also enjoy me it's because I don't fake who I am I also think it's very

Starting point is 00:38:23 easy to see who is fake and who's not when you watch streamers. Like I'm, I'm sure you guys have watch entertainers and be like, okay, he's putting on an act for like kids or he's putting on an act for people, whatever it might be. And then you probably watch people who are like, you're fans of, I'm sure, because you're like they're authentic. Like I think it all goes to that. Like if you're authentic off camera, on camera is going to be the same. Are you autistic?

Starting point is 00:38:47 I think so a little bit. I have ADHD. I don't know if that's a count of autism. You know what we all kind of think we have a little bit of autism. I think it's just a product of like, you know, scrolling on your phone all the time. How could you not, you know? I think we're all autistic. Honestly, I think I think autism at ADHD, I don't even believe doctors are real, bro.

Starting point is 00:39:06 Like, I think I low-key think, like, the doctors made it so we have to like diversify autism at ADHD. What if we all have it? You know what I'm saying? Then no one has it. You could have Down syndrome. I really could. Yeah. I think, if anything, that he probably has.

Starting point is 00:39:20 I don't know. I've looked up the symptoms. for autism and I'm like I hit a lot of these things right what do you call no I do I do like I get obsessed on these like little niche topics and for me it just happened to be YouTube and finance and like refraperians I think reaqrarians definitely yeah the most brilliant people in the world are autistic like they are like they're just creative and that's where I think I have a little bit of something because it's like you're the most brilliant person I'm up there I'm getting there close but you have to have an obsession

Starting point is 00:39:49 but then treat it so seriously that's all you think about you had that level of like... That's how you become successful. Yeah. It's like... It doesn't just happen because you believe in it. Like, you have to sit there

Starting point is 00:39:59 and believe in it. Like... Yeah. I don't know. So if you are the clip, then what are the top three Rinaldo clips of all time? Um,

Starting point is 00:40:07 the payphone one. That happened when I was actually right before I won FNCS even. Um, I was singing payphone and somehow this clip generated billions and still to this day. People love it.

Starting point is 00:40:18 You privacy. Why? So I had to look it up. I've never heard of it. And I found the video and it was, like tens of millions of years. Oh no, there's videos taken down.

Starting point is 00:40:25 Like, on the original one on YouTube had like 40 to 50, but I got taken down for copy right. I saw it. I didn't think it was anything special. No, it wasn't. It wasn't.

Starting point is 00:40:32 It wasn't anything special. And that's why I still don't understand why I'm trying to tell you is I didn't farm it. It just happened and it's like. But why do people like it? I don't know. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:40:40 They say like they think your joy is infectious. Yeah. Like it just seems like you're so happy in it. I still don't know. But Adam Levine, I want to still meet him. That's like still my goal to me. Can you not do that?

Starting point is 00:40:50 I feel like at this point. Yeah, I saw that. I'm about to ask, see if I can get caught. Dude, I feel like that would be a really easy one for you to do. I just want a picture of them. That's it. You should do like a real authentic cover of it where you rent out a studio space.

Starting point is 00:41:02 You've got like dramatic cameras like zooming in. You're like really getting into it with the mind. I actually, that would be every time I sing that song, it goes. People see it. People, it goes viral. Is there any chance you could sing it? Fuck no, fuck no. Please.

Starting point is 00:41:17 No. No, no, no. No, no. So that's... Okay, what if I paid you 500 bucks to sing it? Bro, keep your money, bro. No, like, actually, what if I...

Starting point is 00:41:27 Oh, you want to clip for the name? I'm out of pay, man. Don't have you... Like, actually sing just, like, 20 seconds. I couldn't do it, bro. I couldn't do it. I need energy. How much would you need to sing the song? I'm just seeing if this is a price as worth of pay?

Starting point is 00:41:41 You got cars, right? The 4GT? You could put 50 miles on your 4GT, I'll sing it. Yeah, see, look at you. 50 miles in what? length of time, though. A lot. It's all good, bro.

Starting point is 00:41:55 I'm curious. That's the first clip. Clip number one. What about two and three? I'm sure you're thinking of one. That's when I got slapped by Bradley Martin. I don't know if you've seen that clip. Yeah, that wasn't playing at all.

Starting point is 00:42:07 I was talking to Bradley Martin. This is the first time I saw him in real life, but my management at the time, it wasn't my manager, but he was helping with him. He put me in contact with Bradley Martin, and Bradley Martin knew who I was. And he'll tell you this. It was no ill intent. he actually, the clip is, he played payphone, right, on the speakers in the gym. So I was like, oh, he's fucking with me.

Starting point is 00:42:27 I was like, he knows who I am, blah, blah, we're with each other. Keep my, I don't know who Bradley Martin is. I'm not in the gym, right? I didn't know who he was. I've heard of him, but whatever. I took his hat off because I was like, oh, it's a joke. Like, we're going joke for joke, right? I didn't think much of it.

Starting point is 00:42:38 That's like friends with each other, right? Slap the shit out of me. And then obviously there's two sides of the internet. One, why the fuck did you slap him? That was so overreaction. The other one is don't touch a man's hat. And then it's like, whatever. I don't really give a fuck that happened, but that clip went everywhere, viral.

Starting point is 00:42:54 And that actually helped me a lot in my career. You know, it's funny, I saw that clip on Twitter when it happened. I had no idea that was you. So that was my first introduction to you. People don't know the full start. Like, I had no, like, people thought I was just like annoying little kid, like just being a jerk. Like, that's kind of where, like, people were like, oh, streamers are just annoying little pieces of whatever.

Starting point is 00:43:13 I had no ill intent. Like, I'm a genuine person off camera. Like, I care for people. Like I'm not like an, like I'm not going to go run around screaming in public like too much or like I know my, well, no, I know my place, but I know my place. It's like I know when to do things and when not to. Like I have good social awareness, social cues with that type of stuff, which I feel like a lot of streamers don't nowadays because they see clips of me or they see clips of other people and they're like, oh, they do it. Why can't I? But it's like, it's all social cues. You know what I'm saying? Like, I know when to do and when not to. And people are going to say like, oh, no, you don't. Like, it's clear you don't. I do. I know what I'm doing. And that's why I think I'm at where I'm at where I'm. because I knew what I was doing. That slap looked like it hurt, though. It did. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:52 What's a 6 foot 5 dude? Dude, his hand is like massive. He's like 6.3, 6, 4. I'm 5'7. He's 260 pounds. I'm 140 pounds. Yeah. He is muscle.

Starting point is 00:44:07 I don't. Yeah. And what about the third clip? I don't know. What do you think? What have you seen? I don't know. This is up to you.

Starting point is 00:44:14 I mean, I'm, dude. I don't know. We basically last year, we should. stream 30 days right now. We went to a college. And when we went into the college, we started going up to dorms. Like, we went to girls' dorms, guys' dorms. But we knocked on this girl's dorm and she let us in. And I guess someone called the college while we were streaming. It was like eight of us streaming in there. And they were like, oh, they're harassing women, blah, blah, blah, which we weren't. They were just doing it so the cops would come. So the cops started to come up to the dorm and they

Starting point is 00:44:39 started to like arrest all the phase guys. Like not arrest them, put them in cops, like detain them. and then I slammed the door of the girl's dorm. Like, I was in the room with them, and I hid in her bathroom. And, like, she was with it. She didn't care. She thought it was hilarious. But then, like, the cop ended up coming in and finding me in the bathroom. And I went like this or you have to look at it.

Starting point is 00:45:00 I don't find it that funny, but it went everywhere. It was like a stupid clip. So I'm curious, when you're streaming, I know it's a big thing to, like, docks people and to share the location, call the cops and say that there's like a B-O-M-B threat, basically. How often does this happen? to you? Every day. It happened yesterday. Yeah. So what is the experience on your end? Because I know getting swatted is like, you know, it's kind of thing. Well, it's like the internet. It's like there's two sides. You have the culture side of the internet, which is like, you know, a different side of the

Starting point is 00:45:27 inner like rap people like, you know, like it's just like kids like kids with like hypebeast. You know, hypebees. It's like that side. And then you have like the nice side, the pleasant side. And then obviously the mixture. Like I have like more of like the culture, I feel like. So it's like kids that like are go to like, it's like the hype beast era. And you know, there's a lot of weird So when they call the cops, I mean, they say, oh, I have someone, whatever it might be, right? They come to the house, but they know, because they know who we are. So it's like, they don't really care, but they have to clear the house. It's just scary because it's like, you never know.

Starting point is 00:45:59 There might be a new cop on the job that day who's like, this shit. I'm scared for my life and cheats me, but I don't like to think that way. And it's like, how many times do you think you've been swatted? Over 50, easily. 50? Easily, especially when I used to live in New Jersey, but it's so funny. I'll pull it up right now. It's so funny.

Starting point is 00:46:15 Do they get in trouble for swatting? Yeah, some of them, some of them I have like, like, look at this. I have like eight cops numbers. Just cop, cop, because they would call me. How do you know which cop is who? It just shows up on your phone. I just did it. I gave every single cop my number.

Starting point is 00:46:29 I was like, if you ever hear that like I'm someone at this address or something like that just call this number and I'll tell you. That's the perfect cover up though, don't you think? What? That like now you could go and do that and they'll just be like, ah, yeah, it's another. No, they do it all the time. That's the thing. That's the thing is people who swat us.

Starting point is 00:46:42 No, I was making a joke. If you were to actually go out and commit a crime, it's like, it's the perfect, you know. Oh, yeah. Exactly. Someone calls to be like, no, it's just another. Yeah, yeah. That's a great call. Maybe I just ignore it.

Starting point is 00:46:53 Yeah, just don't look under the, don't look under the street. Nothing there. No, you're good. No, but I mean, they come, they still have to clear it. It's like their job. They still have to clear, but they'll be less of like a hassle. Like the first time it happened when we lived in L.A., they came to the house, put us all in cuffs aggressively and just ran through the house.

Starting point is 00:47:07 Then the second time they were like, they all came, but there was like, it was like slow. It's cool, though. You know, it's like, I'm not scared of it no more, but I do have weirdos that follow me. I do have weirdos that wait for me outside the house, which I'm not scared of, though. They wait for you outside of house? And what's your interaction with them like? I just ignore them, but like there's weirdos like right now even, I don't even think people don't know this, but there's like a weirdo who keeps coming at like 2 a.m.

Starting point is 00:47:31 Basically, like four dudes. And they say they're looking for me. I'm not scared of them because I don't wear my jewelry out. So if you want to come rob me or beat me up, go ahead. I don't know. I have private security who runs around. I don't always, it protects me. So it's up to you.

Starting point is 00:47:43 But yeah, no, there's weirdos. There's weirdos. It's scary. Trust me. I don't like living in L.A. What's the closest call you've ever came to some sort of, you know, crime or attack? I don't even know if it had to do with streaming or just in life. Let's do both.

Starting point is 00:47:58 In life, I was on Hollywood Boulevard and my BMW when I had out of the time. And I don't know why. This guy got really mad. I think I cut him up barely. But it was like nothing crazy. It really wasn't. Yeah. And he started following me through.

Starting point is 00:48:11 through Hollywood Boulevard, like, fast, like on me. And it was his girlfriend. And, you know, me, I'm Italian. I look at the winter. I go like this to the guy. And his girlfriend was driving. And then she speeds up on me. And I see it in my rear view mirror.

Starting point is 00:48:24 I'm with my girlfriend and my friends. He's reaching in his bag for, like, a gun. And I'm pretty sure he had a guy. And they were really on me. I'm a better driver than you. So I, allegedly, on Hollywood Boulevard, you know, like when the crosswalk happens, there's like people that walk or whatever.

Starting point is 00:48:42 As people are walking, I went around them and the guy had to stop because there's people walking. But it was like really scary. There's more to life than finding the perfect car. But finding the perfect car can help you get the most out of life. Like the SUV that handles everything from drop off to off road and the car that hulls groceries and hockey teams or the van that's gone from just practical to practically family.

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Starting point is 00:49:25 People just don't care. One day is just like their days going bad and they snap. No, yeah. You got to be careful. And even with, like, when I was doing it was streaming, it's kind of like the similar. It's like people just see my car, whether it be kids, whether they be older people.

Starting point is 00:49:37 And they're like, oh, I'm going to follow him. They don't think of me as a real human. They think of me as like an entertainer. So they're like, I'm going to follow him. fall, I'm a fly and whatever throw shit at his car. Like, I've, I've went to car meets where kids throw shit at the car and then they get, like, attacked by my fans, though.

Starting point is 00:49:49 But, like, I've never really encountered something scary, scary. I've had, like, friends encounter stuff really recently, and that's kind of where I'm on edge recently, but, like, I'm very, like, aware of my surroundings and, et cetera. So if streaming's harder than a nine to five and someone wants to put themselves through that, that pain and discomfort, you could never. I'm curious, is there still opportunity to, to grow, on Twitch today and what do you think is the main thing if someone wants to grow on Twitch they should be doing uh if you want to grow on Twitch I honestly think you should it's clips it really is clips and it sucks

Starting point is 00:50:23 I feel like the game is really f*** up right now it's probably the hardest I mean I wouldn't say it's the hardest it ever is because there is it there is never the hardest time ever right like on YouTube it's the same it's like oh it's so hard to become a YouTuber it's always going to be the same part right pause but it's going to be like it's always going to be hard to become a It's always going to be hard to become a YouTube, but there's never a right time, but like right now, it's just hard in a way where it's like, bro, like, if you start your stream on Twitch, like, and you're not known, it's like, why would I watch you type of thing? Like, there's so many creators that are big now and, like, people hop on the bandwagon of like, oh, if you don't have a certain amount of viewers, why would I watch you? It's like really fun. So you shouldn't even be spending a bunch of your time streaming on Twitch.

Starting point is 00:51:04 Instead, you should be trying to find a way to get some things. If I started fresh right now, I would stream on Twitch like four hours probably, or like three hours. maybe even two. And not farm clips, but be myself, whatever, whatever I want to do, whatever type of content. Even if you have zero viewers, you have to fake it until you make it. Like, pretend that you have an audience watching you and still create the content that you want to create, clip it, put it on TikTok, and then keep streaming every day. Because when people start seeing your clips, even if you have five people see your clip, one of them might be like, oh, this guy's kind of funny. I'm going to go on Twitch to see if he's live.

Starting point is 00:51:38 And if you're live, when he's reacting to it, right? that guy might become a loyal viewer. You know what I'm saying? That guy might be like, oh, this guy's funny and then you keep doing it. It's like compounding, you know? It's like, you just got to...

Starting point is 00:51:49 The biggest problem is people don't do it. You just got to do it. So if you could buy stock in three streamers right now, who would you invest in? Ooh, three streamers right now. You know what's crazy. I'm very good at this. Like, very, very good at this.

Starting point is 00:52:01 Who have you picked out in the past? See, people are going to be like cap in the comments. Bro, when I was watching Aiden Ross, I have text message with him DMs when he was averaging. This is great viewership, by the way. Like 3,000, a 5,000 to 10,000. Which is, by the way, some people are like, oh, yeah, he already made it. He did.

Starting point is 00:52:21 He already did. But I knew he was, I texted him. I was like, yo, you're going to get to this level where you're averaging like 50 to 100,000. We used to have talks about it. He'll even say it himself. Like, I used to text him about it. And he became one of the biggest at the time. And then same thing with my friend Jason.

Starting point is 00:52:37 Shout out to Jason. He was averaging like one to two. thousand viewers peaking around like four and I told him I was like bro you're going to be like really big one day and I don't just say it just to say it like when I say it like I only say it to a select few not that my word means anything but like I was like yo you're going to do this you're going to do that sure enough he's like that to right now um someone I know named plac boy max um he used to be in face clean he actually just left um he was averaging around the same like a thousand or two thousand I told me you're going to be the biggest one day like for this

Starting point is 00:53:06 reasons etc and sure enough he is like people know him for those reasons and I don't know I just feel like I have a eye for talent and I think that's why I even believe in myself is because I know I can get to a certain level. But what qualities do you see in them that makes them stand out? Just like hunger, to be honest with you, you could tell when someone wants it and when someone doesn't. It's very, maybe not to everyone, but to me, like, I could tell when someone is about it when they want to become a streamer because it's like, you could say you want to become a streamer. If I don't see you live every single day during a certain amount that I did, I'm like, okay, well, he doesn't want to become a streamer. He's never, he's not going to make it. And it's not an ego and it's not me being a dick.

Starting point is 00:53:40 It's just me telling the truth. And I feel like that's what a lot of people are scared of is like being told the truth. So it's like when people are like, like I've had fans come to me like, I want to become a stream. I'm like, no, you don't. I was like, why would you be coming up to me saying you would be streaming? You know what I'm saying? Like you would be doing what you want to do. It's like it's the same shit I did.

Starting point is 00:53:55 When I wanted to become a YouTuber, I didn't sit there wishing every day. I want to become a YouTuber. I tried to act on it, you know? And it's like it's all luck at the end of the day to an extent. But it's also the grind. You know what I'm saying? Like you don't get lucky not doing anything. Like, you're not going to get lucky sitting in your bedroom doing nothing, right?

Starting point is 00:54:12 So if you're buying stock in three streamers right now, who do invest in? If I had three streamers that I would invest in, it's actually, I've got one that maybe people are like, he already made it, but like I'll get into that. I think this dude named Faxity, he's a Fortnite streamer right now. He used to average around like 500 to 1,000 viewers, and funny enough, I told him, we used to have dinners. And this is like when he's like, dude, I don't know what to do, blah, blah. I told him, I was like, bro, one day you're going to average this many viewers.

Starting point is 00:54:38 if you just stick to it. And he stuck to it. He'll fully admit it. It's funny, I actually could pull up a clip. He mentioned it yesterday. He streamed where he like thanked me for believing in me, literally yesterday. It's so random. I just thought about that.

Starting point is 00:54:51 But I think this dude named Faxity, he's a Fortnite streamer. He used to average like 500 years. He averages like 5 to 10,000 now. But I think if he did IRL content and he expanded a little bit on top of his foreign content, he could be literally as big as me, not an ego way, just like to the point where he can do whatever he wants on stream. I truly think he's funny. This dude named Yusuf, he's a streamer.

Starting point is 00:55:13 He, like, IRLs a lot. He averaged around, like, 2,000 viewers. I think once Yusuf gets that click where people are like, oh, what the fuck is he doing type of thing. Like, he just has that one moment. I think his career is going to skyrocket because he has the drive and he has the work ethic, and I think he's going to get the credit he deserves soon.

Starting point is 00:55:30 And then one that already made it, but I know a lot of people are like, maybe not forgot about him, but don't take him as seriously when it comes to content. I think Sketch. I think Sketch can get to a new peak. I think that kid is hilarious. And I know people are going to be like, oh, but Sketch is already huge or whatever.

Starting point is 00:55:46 Yeah, he's huge, but he also doesn't stream as much. He doesn't post on YouTube as much and he's not consistent with his content. He's more or less like a househeld name, but he doesn't really make much content anymore. He'll even say that himself. It's like, I think if he took it seriously

Starting point is 00:56:00 and he really wanted to, he could become way bigger than he is right now. And I think, yeah. What's Sketch? sketch, you should get back on live. Yeah, we look forward to it. Like, he streams and he does YouTube, but he doesn't do it as consistently as he should.

Starting point is 00:56:13 And it could be because he's already made a ton of money or he's, like, comfortable with where he's at, but, like, I truly think he could reach a new level. Why don't you go and invest or help the smaller streamers and, like, maybe work out a split and say, hey, I'll help you get to, like, 10,000 viewers and we could split, you know, come up with, like, a revenue share, and we'll grow together.

Starting point is 00:56:35 I think, like what phase is doing. Say it again. Kind of what like phases whole thing. Yeah. Let's bring you up with us. I'll break that down too. I kind of do it in a way where, Jesus, I don't really expect much in return. And it's kind of because there's different levels of business models, right?

Starting point is 00:56:53 Like I could invest in someone by giving them money. I can invest in someone by helping their viewership by bringing my viewership to them, maybe tell them to go over. And then maybe in return, I want you to collab with me or maybe in return, I want you to give me money. The way I do it is when I truly believe in someone, a great example is the guy Faxity. He used to average 500 viewers. I would host him all the time with like 8 to 20,000 viewers. And I just, I just hosted him because I love them. I thought he was hilarious.

Starting point is 00:57:19 My viewers thought he was hilarious. And this isn't an ego. He admitted this. I could pull up the clip yesterday. He was like, shout out to Ron for hosting me so many times. He always believed in me. Like, it helped me a lot. Like, I'll always love him.

Starting point is 00:57:30 It's like that that I find is better than money. Like, I wouldn't, I don't want money in return. I want to just see my brain, like, realize that, like, okay, like, I help someone who actually is grateful for being helped and isn't a dick about it. Did I make him? No. But, like, did I help him? Yeah, it's something he admitted.

Starting point is 00:57:48 And I find that way more of a better return than money. And also in the long run, it's like, if you want to think in a business way, if I help Faxity and he does become extremely big, he's going to want to do shit with me too. So it's like his viewers are going to want to talk to me. his viewers are want to come to me. So it's like we trade off at each other in a special way. You know what I'm saying? Like it's obviously all transitional at the end of the day.

Starting point is 00:58:12 That's how the internet is. But like the way I invest into people is like friendships. Like I value my friendships with a lot of people. And I'd like to consider faxie like one of my good friends. Who's the most famous person in your phone? Okay. The most famous person in my phone, there's different levels of fame. There's like a Kai Sinat fame.

Starting point is 00:58:31 There's like a Bronny James fame. Like what do we? What do we think? Because I have like, in my phone... Give us top three. Just like overall. I would say probably brawny. I would assume he's the most famous because LeBronso.

Starting point is 00:58:43 Like, everyone in the world knows who Brony James is most. I don't think Graham knew who Brony James was. I just mentioned... I mean, LeBron's son. If I told you LeBron's son. Okay, then I would know. That's what I'm saying. LeBron's son.

Starting point is 00:58:51 Okay. I have Kai's. I'd say Kai Sinat is pretty famous. When did Phase Clan come into the mix of all this? I've been a fan of phase since I was 13, like 12. like 12 maybe. I used to cry when I got into their lobbies on Xbox 360. So I've been a Faze fan forever. But Faze Klan got in the mix of streaming because when I started to stream more, I was in an organization called NRG. And then when I left, Faze wanted to pick me up, which was my dream.

Starting point is 00:59:21 And I joined Faze Klan around 2022, 2023. But that was when Faze was kind of dead. My career was kind of not that big. And then Banks had an idea to have me. He basically wanted to rebuild phase, like how it used to be, like having like the phase adapt, phase rain, phase banks, phase apex, like phase teak, like all these guys. He wanted to rebuild it basically for like a new generation. So he chose me to be a part of that, which I'm forever grateful for that made my career borderline, like doing phase again. And he chose Jason the wean, which was my friend that I mentioned, Black Boy Max, Silky, and then, oh, fuck, Lacey, Black Boy Max, Lacey, Stable and Auto, Silky, Jason, yeah, and Jason, and he basically wanted to do a house in L.A.

Starting point is 01:00:11 And then we ended up just doing it. We ended up just coming together and Faze backed us up. They paid for the house. They paid for our content. And sure enough, when you put five creators who love each other and we're friends with each other in a house, I mean, it turned out to be successful. What's the vetting process like on that? What do you mean?

Starting point is 01:00:28 Like the vetting, like making sure that we're going to be like good in writing. Honestly, everything is aligned. The fun part about phase gland is there is none. I mean, there's like, there's like lines of like what we want to do and what we want to accomplish. Yeah. But when we went to the house, we just said, like, you know, we were like, let's just try to make this work. Did we, was there a stupid amount of money being spent a month? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:00:50 But I mean, it was more or less like, it's the, it's the risk and the reward. Like, as a business, you're not going to see the green forever. and for a long time. Like, it was in the red, obviously, but it was like another risk. We had a new investor for Faze Clan. The guy put a lot of money in, and then we invested into the house,

Starting point is 01:01:05 and we said, fuck it. And then we just started owning the internet. So how does the business of Faze work now? Like, who owns Faze? How many shareholders are there? Are you a shareholder in FACE? How are distributions made? How do you pay Faze?

Starting point is 01:01:16 How do they pay you? Yeah, so we own percentages of Faze all individually, all of us. Obviously, we don't own a crazy, crazy amount because we're not the ones who put up millions of dollars a month. to do the house, million dollars for employees, for content or whatever. But I know GameSquare owns a percent. Those were the original investors. And then Matt Kalish, the owner of Draft Kings,

Starting point is 01:01:36 owns a majority, which by the way, Matt Kalish is might be the greatest, all dick ride. I don't care that he's a billionaire, Simon, just because he's by the greatest human that I've met who it, I'm talking like he's a, he's a billionaire. He's a real life billionaire. And he'll come to the house, hang out with us, talk to us. If I call him right now, he'll pick up the phone. I swear to guy, he'll pick up the phone. I've called him at like, 2 a.m. for just business advice. He is a genuine dude. And I think he's probably one of the greatest CEOs for us. He really wants to take care of us and he's really good with his. So if he owns 51% and then I don't know what percent he owns because we also own percent. Like that's all trying to say,

Starting point is 01:02:12 like whatever online is wrong. But I know that I own a percent, like more than a percent. All the phase guys own more than percent, which I have the shares. I think they're valued at, I don't know, maybe like half a million, 600,000, but I mean, it's someone has to buy it, you know what I'm saying? And so you split then some revenue with the overall business in exchange for having certain expenses. So the way the business model works from what my understanding is, because obviously this is only our year two.

Starting point is 01:02:41 We're not even on year. We're about to, actually, no, yeah, I would say we just hit year two of the remodel. So we're still figuring it out. But basically the plan is it's like, you know, when we create IPs, if Faze wants to invest in that. Phase basically just put us on,

Starting point is 01:02:53 like helped us get more recognition. And now the way the brand makes money is if we bring sponsorships, if we bring IPs, if we bring products, they would help take a percent from that. But it's not like some where it's like, oh, you have to give us 50 percent of your shit. No, it's like, okay, if you want to drop a product, right, I'll help you.

Starting point is 01:03:12 I'll put up X amount of money for you. But in return, you just have to give me 30%, which is completely fair, right? He's kickstarting it and he's willing to take that risk. And he's verbally told me he's like, oh, yeah, if it fails, it fails. You know what I'm saying? And you're not really allowed to do work like that with other people.

Starting point is 01:03:25 I mean, who's going to invest hundreds of thousands of dollars into me millions of dollars and take the risk? It might lose it. I'm saying? So it's like, so it is fair. If he wants 40%, if it wants 50%, it depends. You know what I'm saying? Like if I do a, like a thing I want to do is I want to do something to do with cars, like, just drag races or laps like courses. If I have to ask for millions of dollars, he'll find me people to invest millions of dollars into me.

Starting point is 01:03:49 And he'll take that risk. But in return, he would be like, okay, yeah, I want 40%. And I'm like, yeah, that's fair. That's completely fair because I'm not going to put a million dollars. I'm going to be honest. I'm not. Yeah. I don't want to take that risk because I don't have the liquid to do that.

Starting point is 01:04:01 So it's like, yeah. But that's kind of how the business models. And it does work and it will work, you know. Do I think phase as a whole is a profitable business? I don't think any organization in gaming is like a profitable thing because they spend too much money. But I do think the way to become profitable is stuff like that. Like if I made a prime, right, that company's worth a billion. dollars and Matt Kalish owns whatever half a half a billion dollars if they sell for a billion

Starting point is 01:04:27 dollars it's like okay we're profitable so it's like so it seems like kind of what it is is he frontloaded a lot of the money for you guys to be able to have the capital and access to grow on on streaming and then I could be very wrong but I'm pretty sure and then because of that you guys just have a closely knit relationship with him where if you guys want to do something he's the first guy you guys go to and then he kind of he's able to get his hands and you know if you guys want to Yeah, but he also truly believes in it. And that's why he's very important. No, it seems like it's more of a handshake thing,

Starting point is 01:05:00 but if it works out, it works out, it's cool. He's just, he's very smart, he's not dumb, and I think he just is, he's like the greatest person, right? He really takes risks for us, and it feels like family. And obviously there's always going to be opinions on the internet because people are like phase this, phase that, whatever. You obviously see all the negativity, like, negativity of, that type of stuff, but it's like, I don't know, I feel like right now, Phase is in its best spot

Starting point is 01:05:28 right now, in my opinion. It's the most fun I've had, most fun I've, people said they've watched, so, why did Faze kick out a bunch of members? And when I was working in real estate, it often felt like half my day wasn't selling. It was just keeping track of everything. Emails, leads, meetings. It was like I was running three jobs at the same time. Here's the truth. If you're running a business today in 2025, you need a lot more than just a CRM. You need a need AI that could focus on taking the busy work off your table so that you could focus on closing the bigger deals. And that's exactly where today's sponsor PipeDrive comes in, the number one CRM tool for small to medium businesses built by salespeople for salespeople. And what makes

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Starting point is 01:08:42 Did Blaze make content? Not really. And he made a video where he was like, I get it. You know, like, I get why they kicked me out. I also think it's like, you, like, so there's two different people that get kicked. There's the newcomers and then the OG phase, right? People are like, okay, apex, rain, Tico, temper, phase blaze, whatever, right? You can kick them out a phase, but they're still phase, right?

Starting point is 01:09:05 Like, when we, I think, I think when they did the kickout type of stuff, it was more or less it's like, okay, you're just not involved in our content no more. Like, because they don't want to be, truthfully. And if they do want to be, like, I don't know, but like from what I'm understanding, because I'm not the one who kicked them. I wasn't even in phase when they kicked them. I was, but like I wasn't the guy in charge. It was more or less, there were so many people in phase that you guys probably don't even know. And then there was the random people that were in phase that you guys have no clue.

Starting point is 01:09:32 Like if I named some people, you probably wouldn't even know, you what I'm saying? So it's like, those people got kicked because it's like, what is Phase Clan now? Face Clan used to be what you just said, a phase blaze, a phase reign, a phase adapt, a phase temper. Like those were househeld names that people knew and it was such a tight group and everyone was like, I want to join phase. But if you have like a hundred people who some make content, some don't, some want to grind, some don't, some don't even care to be on YouTube. Don't be care to be on streams, whatever. It's like what is what is this about now? Is this? Why don't they want to be answered? Like I don't get it. I'm not going to say names, but there's been people in phase who are guaranteed half a million dollars a year and then half a million dollars on top of that with sponsors and they didn't stream. They didn't. They didn't. They didn't. They didn't. They didn't want to work. Why do you think they're not wanting to work? When you put something in someone's face,

Starting point is 01:10:17 it's very easy to take and not, like, give back. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's very easy for someone to say, like, if I offered you a job, right? And I was like, okay, I'm going to give you a million dollars a year. Your instinct is probably like, oh, what the fuck? I'm getting a million dollars a year. You sign the contract, whatever it is.

Starting point is 01:10:35 I'm like, okay, you have to do YouTube videos. You have to do a couple of YouTube videos a month, right? There's not a real situation, but a couple of years a month. You might be like, okay, I'm going to do the couple of YouTube videos a month, and that's it. I'm not going to go above and beyond, et cetera. And that's kind of what it was. It's like they would do the bare minimum, if that, and then they'd get lazy because they're like,

Starting point is 01:10:54 okay, I'm guaranteed a check. You know what I'm saying? I sign a contract. So it's like, it's very easy for people to see numbers and just get motivated by numbers and not disciplined, you know? Like, this goes with viewership. This goes with revenue. This goes with followers.

Starting point is 01:11:11 Like, I'm sure you've seen tons of artists. Okay, flights on air Canada. Where'd you want to go? The Azores? For its hot springs and volcanoes? Hmm, speaking of volcanoes, what about Japan? Mmm, you know I love sushi. Not as much as I love tapas.

Starting point is 01:11:27 Maybe, my Yorka. We could hit the beach, then go hiking. Hiking? Or how about a seaside stroll in Sicily? Ooh, I do love canoles. Wait, what do you think of... With a world of destinations to choose from. Good luck picking just one.

Starting point is 01:11:41 Air Canada. Nice travels. Who make a quick amount of money and they get comfortable and they're like, okay, you know, I can chill and that's how they lose it. It's the same concept. It's the same concept. It's all the same concept. It's so frustrating to me. I've seen so many people in that exact same position where they start doing really well. They start making a ton of money. And they get so comfortable. I'm a victim to it. I am. And then they just slack off, spend the money. And they're like, oh, two years later, I got to figure this out. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:12:10 And I'm honestly, I've got a good analogy for it, too. Before I even say, I'm a victim to it, it's, bro, look at COVID. Look at all these TikTokers who were making money, thought that they were rich, thought that they were crazy influencers, and they're scrambling now because it's all going away. They got comfortable, you know what I'm saying? The internet changes, the world changes, etc. But again, I am a victim to it, and I think that's how I originally, like, fell off

Starting point is 01:12:32 is because I got so comfortable, I'd go live, and I'd be like, okay, I'm going to get 20,000 viewers today. I'm going to make $20,000 today. I'm cool. I'm okay. Then I don't go live the next day because I'm like, oh, I'll just go live a day after and I'll have this amount of viewers. I'll make this amount of money. Then it would drop down a couple of thousand viewers. I'm like, oh, that's whatever, bro. I'll average 15,000 viewers of years tomorrow. I'll make $10,000 tomorrow. It went down again. And then it would slowly go down. And then that's when I started getting my own head. I'm like, if I don't have this amount of viewership or if I don't make this amount of money, I don't enjoy it anymore. And that's where I realized I lost my passion. And that's where I had to take a step back, realize what I had, be grateful for it and come back and actually make. content that I believe in and enjoy. And I think that's why I thrive right now is because, like, even coming here, like, when I DM'd you guys, it's like because I'm like, I enjoy talking about stuff like this. Like, I enjoy actually, like, bringing attention to shit like this because I think a lot of

Starting point is 01:13:22 people need it. How does it feel, though, if you're not streaming, you're like technically leaving money on the table? So, yeah, I think about that a lot. For instance, like, if I don't stream today, realistically, I'm just being honest, transparent. I would probably miss out on, like, if I streamed eight hours today, I'd probably miss out on, like $8 to $15,000 just off streaming, but it's like at the same time I don't stream for money and I know people might be the cap, but I really don't. I like taking breaks. I like, and I wouldn't

Starting point is 01:13:50 even consider it a break if I don't stream today. I did this. You know what I'm saying? I did something productive. As long as you're doing something productive in your off time, you're not leaving money behind. You know what I'm saying? Like you're not even leaving opportunity behind. How does that, how do you have that mentality? For me, that was very difficult because from 20, 19 through 2023, really. I wouldn't take a day off. I refused because every day I took off, I know I'm leaving like, I'm paying X amount not to work today. And I'm like, I'd rather just work. Well, it's the wrong mindset in my head because it's like, there's unlimited money in the world. There's always going to be money on the table. It's just about how you want to go get it. You know what I'm saying? Like,

Starting point is 01:14:27 there's ways you might, you might figure out a way how to make more money than you've ever seen tomorrow and you might not realize it and be like, why the fuck am I doing a podcast? But then you still do the podcast. You know what I'm saying? Like there's a chance of that. And I think it's just, when you say like, how do you not get scared or how do you not have that mentality? I think it's more or less in my head. It also has to do with my beliefs in the world. Like, I believe truly like, it's so cliche, but it's really how I believe. It's how I operate. It's like, I believe I'm a good person, that good opportunity will happen. And I feel like I'm always going to have fortune in my life. So it's like, I don't worry about taking days off if I don't make amount of money or et cetera. You have an

Starting point is 01:15:05 abundance mentality. I very much have a scarcity where every damn like, all right, this is it. The algorithms change in tomorrow. But the thing is, I have that mentality with streaming because I don't think about it money-wise, but I think about it like, okay, I can fall off tomorrow. Oh, I could lose viewership tomorrow. If I started going from 20,000 viewers to 10,000 viewers, it's like, okay, you split your revenue. You split your relevancy. So it's like comes and goes. And it's like, again, analogy is like the TikTokers. When these TikTokers are getting five million views of video and then all of a sudden they start getting half a million views. It's like, oh shit what the fuck do I do type of thing so it's like it's the same thing with YouTube if you upload this

Starting point is 01:15:38 video and it's a one out of 10 you guys would be like yeah this is amazing whatever and if this video is a 10 out of 10 you're gonna be like okay like and then you might like think about should we have more streamers on should we do this and it's like that you just got to work you just got to do it you know what I'm saying it goes back to what we said originally it's like you just got to just not care and just do shit that how you want to do it so if you think you should work every single day do it seriously do it but I do I do think taking breaks is good for you if it's not like a break like even when i go like when i was mentioning how i drive my car it's not real break i might not stream i might not post i might not even do a podcast

Starting point is 01:16:15 it's not a real break because it's helping me mentally when i'm taking this break it's like i'm so i'm clearing my head so i can think of ideas i'm clearing my head so i can just figure out what i want to do next you know if you work every single day you have no opportunity to think really You know what I'm saying? Yeah. At a certain point, I feel like you get a higher ROI just from thinking than you do from Yes. Whereas like in the beginning, I think you should do a whole lot more doing, maybe like 80% doing, 20% thinking.

Starting point is 01:16:45 And then it kind of shifts over time to like more thinking, more kind of like honestly, I get a high ROI from like going on a little vacation or like a weekend trip just to let my body like calm down. And then I'll come up with an idea on that trip and then I'll execute on it and it'll be a game changer. I like to do this thing called toilet thoughts. When I get on the toilet, I think better. How long do you usually spend on it? Sometimes I sit on the toilet just for an hour. And I'm like, I'm really starting. But I start thinking of ideas.

Starting point is 01:17:08 Same thing with driving. Sometimes I'll drive. No music. I'll literally just drive. And I'll be like, okay, I want to do this. I want to do that. It starts, it's like how, it's a form of therapy. But like a great example of people like what you were just saying, like return of a investment.

Starting point is 01:17:22 Investment. Yes. ROI. When you take breaks is like, look at someone like Logan Paul. A great example. Or Jake Paul. A great example. These guys uploaded every single day for.

Starting point is 01:17:33 two years, three years, every single day. Five million views of video, 10 million views of video, every day. These guys are probably making like what? $50,000 of videos, $70,000 a video, millions of dollars on merch. But then they randomly start taking breaks. But now look, look how brilliant they are. It's like they figured out ways when they took breaks to become bigger, become better things. Another great example more relevant to like, I guess MySpace is like Kaysenat.

Starting point is 01:17:57 Kaysenat used to stream every single day. I'm sure every single day he's making $20 to $30,000, $50,000 off streaming. off sponsors, whatever, more money. But like, when he's streaming every day, he's like, okay, I'm making like $50,000 to $100,000 today. Okay, I could go buy my dream car tomorrow. I could go buy a dream watch tomorrow. But, like, when he takes these breaks,

Starting point is 01:18:17 look what he's doing right now. Like, you know what I'm saying? He creates these bigger ideas and these crazier ideas because he took a break. He wouldn't be able to do what he's doing right now if he didn't take a break. He wouldn't have thought of it. He wouldn't have.

Starting point is 01:18:28 And he knows that. And it's like anyone knows that. It's like you become brilliant when you take more breaks because you can think of better ideas. How do you balance streaming, working with having a relationship now? It's kind of interesting because the way my relationship works is, and I think a lot of people should follow this formula, is really building a foundation off the bat.

Starting point is 01:18:49 And it sounds very normal. Everyone says that, but it's like really solidifying a boundary and foundation. Like when I met my girlfriend, first and foremost, I told her, I was like, you could not have a social media presence. I just don't want it. And I'm like, if that's controlling, I get it. Like I actually, I'm very understanding. Like, I'm like, okay, I get it.

Starting point is 01:19:04 Like, why is my boyfriend not wanting me to be public or whatever? But I'm like, and she really respects it. And that's why I love her is like, because I just don't, when I'm online, I'm online. When I'm offline, I want to have an offline life. Like, I want to enjoy my life. So it's like when I met my girlfriend, I was like, yeah, I just, I really don't want you public on like TikTok, social media, streaming, whatever it might be. Like, she could go live tomorrow.

Starting point is 01:19:27 Probably average, like, thousands of viewers and make hundreds of thousand dollars off my name. but she respects me enough to not do that. You know what I'm saying? So it's like I told her I just, I don't want you online. When I work, I want to be able to work. Like,

Starting point is 01:19:40 I don't want to be able to be like bombarded or like clinginess or like pettiness over small things. Like I like to keep my private life private. And it sucks too because then there's weirders on the internet. Like, oh, what does she look like? What is she hiding if she's not public? And that's why like I'll show her face like I posted her before just so I could get

Starting point is 01:19:58 rid of the stalkers and all that. But like, yeah, She doesn't come on camera. She doesn't do anything. I like to keep it private. So a lot of people would be wondering if you're young, you're making a bunch of money, you have a bunch of freedom,

Starting point is 01:20:07 you're so successful. Like, why would you settle down into some sort of a relationship when you could optimize on building the business, making more money, grinding when you have this, like, kind of golden egg right in front of you. You can just keep harvesting. Because I think a lot of people have two. Okay, so this is a great question because there's ways to balance this.

Starting point is 01:20:27 And I feel like that's a problem with life is people don't find balance. Like, I think if I didn't have a girlfriend, I wouldn't be successful in other ways. I wouldn't, when I'm off stream, I used to end stream and just be super stressed, just super like not, I wouldn't be relaxed. And when I'm with her, I feel more relaxed or I feel better. But like, I also don't let it affect my business side. And a lot of people do.

Starting point is 01:20:47 And they'll say it doesn't, but then it does a little bit. Like, I truly, I tell her, I'm like, yo, like, we've had arguments. It's a relationship. You know what I'm saying, you're going to have arguments. You're going to have ups and downs. But, like, I would tell her, I'm like, I can't let this affect my day to day. I was like, I can't let this affect my job. If so, like, we have to be done type of thing.

Starting point is 01:21:02 And it's like, it's not like ultimatums, but it's like I try to find a balance of having a relationship and having work. And I think I do a pretty good job at it. Yeah, you set your frame is kind of where it's at. But what I'm curious is a lot of guys in your position, if you're young, you're living in Los Angeles. You what?

Starting point is 01:21:18 They're whipped. I don't know what that technically mean. You know what that means? Yeah, of course. You haven't heard the term. I don't know what that technically means. It's like basically like your girlfriend will control you. No, no, no.

Starting point is 01:21:28 That's not what I'm saying. I thought that's what you're saying. No, no. Jack is trying to say is that you would, you know, be a free... Cars. Cars. Bars clubs. Those sorts of things.

Starting point is 01:21:39 And just, like, go try to find a girl. Play the field. Yeah, play the field. You could flex all this stuff you have going on, your cars, your watches, your money, your influence and stuff like that and just have like 50 girlfriends at once. You know what I mean? Like, why is that such a common thing out here for people with your demographic and yet you don't do it? Well, it's the same.

Starting point is 01:21:56 It goes back to what I think it was. what you said, it was like when you make so much money, like, are you good with your money or whatever, right? It's like, these guys who get so many followers, they're quickly to just, like, want to flaunt it. Like, when, I don't even know if we have it on camera, when I was telling you, like, on, I was like, I don't really like to show, like, numbers and all that. Because it's like, I just don't care. And I think it's just how I grew up. Like, when I was in high school, I didn't kiss a girl until I was, like, 18. I didn't, you know what I'm saying? Like, I didn't lose my Virginia to my first girlfriend. Like, I wasn't putting my dick in random. Like,

Starting point is 01:22:25 I wasn't, like, flexing when I won money. Like, I wouldn't go up to, like, people would flex their clothes, people would flex their money. Like, I just don't. It may seem like I do sometimes, but I really don't. And I think like all these other influencers have this and they're like, I want to be someone who I'm not. There's people who buy cars, right? Buy cars. They don't actually buy them, but they say they buy them. What are they doing leasing or renting? Both. They do long.

Starting point is 01:22:47 Leasing could make a good financial sense, though, if they're writing it off. Sometimes I'm in favor of leasing. I agree. No, you can lease a car for however. That's not my problem. It's when you fake it and you say that you own it for real. And then you try to flex this fake lifestyle or like if I rented a car for a weekend. How many people do that? How many people do that? How common is it?

Starting point is 01:23:08 It's like percentage. Would you say it's fake? I would say 85% to 90% of people don't own what they say they have. And I know that from meeting people and I know that from hearing things, from people and seeing to keep in mind, I have the check that I paid from Wells Fargo $400,000 for my GT-3R. because I bought it cash because I wanted that car because I wanted it.

Starting point is 01:23:28 That's interesting because you're like around the YouTube and streamer like community a lot. We are sure we're around the YouTube community a lot, not very much the streamer. But most of the people were now spending time with,

Starting point is 01:23:39 especially on the podcast are like entrepreneurs, like business people that own things. Like for example, if we have Papa John on here, we don't need to validate that he actually owns his cars because it's Papa John.

Starting point is 01:23:48 Because when I walk in the room you could tell once, I'm sure you could tell when someone's legit and when someone's not. It's again, it's a huge. It's like me personally, like if someone walked in here and you had 10 people and you told me each one of these guys are a millionaire and they all, whatever, they all had jeweler or whatever, I could tell you which one is probably the real millionaire.

Starting point is 01:24:05 So how did you meet your girlfriend? I DM'd her. And I know people are going to say, oh, okay, you deemned her. She, I DM'd her to play video games and this was off camera. How did you see her though? It was a random TikTok with 20 views and I was literally depressed and I wanted to play Valerant at the time and she was playing Valerent. and I was like, okay, let's play Valant together. At first it was like nothing,

Starting point is 01:24:27 still was nothing for like a couple times, but then we just started to talk more and she was single, I was single, and I just had fun having conversation with her, you know? I enjoyed just being around her. So it was more or less like, I talked to her, we played video games and we eventually met because we're both in California

Starting point is 01:24:43 and the rest was kind of history. But I know a lot of people are like, okay, well, she responded to you because you have a checkmark, she responded to you because you have followers. She responded to you because you have money. there's very in my head and there's always going to be comments no matter i could say anything on this mic right now and there's going to be someone out there like oh yeah he's brainwashed oh yeah he's falling for

Starting point is 01:25:01 no matter what i say i could say the most perfect articulated sentence it's not going to matter so that's why i don't even care to give a reason but like i know she's not a bad person there's obviously trials and tests that you mentally she knows it's not like i'm being a dick it's like i've told her i'm like, yeah, like, you know, there's ways to tell if someone's a nice person, a good person, and she also has money. Her family has money. Also, there's nothing wrong, I feel like you can contend with this with saying that if you do have status, money, influence, stuff like that, that will generally just be

Starting point is 01:25:33 attractive to a girl because I feel like girls kind of, they seek out some sense of like a provider, some guy that can like make them feel safe and comfortable. And so if you have those qualifications, it's not only that you have the money and the influence and the power, but it's also that you like, you have the- Then you have all these people that are like confidence and charisma. That would let you achieve those things. Those character traits are passion, passion. Exactly.

Starting point is 01:25:55 And that's why, like, I'm telling you, like, no matter what we say, by there, there's going to be comments that are like, oh, this guy's brainwashed. Of course they will be. So that's why it's like, it goes back to also what you just said, like having these characteristics of like being charismatic and, like, passionate about something. It's like a lot of these guys don't. So when they see someone like me, if I DM a girl and I have followers, they're quick to be, like, annoyed by it. Be like, oh, yeah, she's only fucking with you because you have followers, whatever.

Starting point is 01:26:22 It's like, truthfully, I had a girlfriend before I had followers, before I had anything, and look where that got me. I didn't, I didn't date her. So it's like, I think that statement's wrong. And I don't know, I think you were just dumb. So how long do you think you're going to date her before you guys try to take it to a different level? You gave her a promise ring. Yeah, what's the logic behind the promise ring? Um, she probably would, she taught me more things than I've, by the way, like,

Starting point is 01:26:45 ever experienced, like, in life about certain things, traveling, certain places. She's taking me, like, just, like, being there. And she's shown me that, like, no matter what when, like, I get annoyed, when I get angry, like, you know, it's human traits. Like, when I get worked up or stress or whatever, she's not quick to jump the guy. Like, oh, you're being annoying. You're being an, like, how some girls would be, like, pettiness or, like, childish, et cetera.

Starting point is 01:27:08 Like, she's understanding. And I just love this girl. So it's like, I was like, you know what? It's my one-year anniversary with her. I was like, we made a year, you know? But why a promise ring over like a nice necklace? I think it's just like earrings. I think it's just like tradition.

Starting point is 01:27:25 You know, when someone gets a promise ring, they think it's cute. They're like, oh. It's like another level of like him. Here's my trust you. Yeah. And so if you end up marrying this girl, are you getting a pre-up? 100%.

Starting point is 01:27:37 A thousand percent. And she knows that she wants a pre-nup herself. How early did you bring up the pre-up conversation? She's not as quick as possible She knows that she wants a pre-nup She said the same thing She's like I want to make sure my assets are safe That's what she said

Starting point is 01:27:50 And I was like yeah that's respectable It comes from a wealthy family I take it? I would say to a degree But like even in general She wants to go to law school or something like that And she was saying like she wants to just protect herself Even if she has money she doesn't have money But like when I brought up the conversation

Starting point is 01:28:05 She wasn't like oh so you don't trust me Like with money like bro Because that's a red flag Well if that's the case I wouldn't have dated her That's my point is like I've, there's like those trials that you go through where you figure out if this girl, like a girl's legit. It's the same thing with guys. If a guy's legit, you know. So it's like, yeah, I mean, the pre-nup was off to that. She knows that though. And like even like, like, we talk about it,

Starting point is 01:28:26 like, even like recently like, oh, like about like money, et cetera. And I'm like, yeah, I'm always going to protect myself. And she knows this. It's like, I've said it since the beginning. It's like, I'm always going to protect my business. And I'm always going to put my business above us. And I said it's rude. I'll be honest with you. It is rude. But I'm always going to put my business ahead of you. It's just how it is. And it's like, if you want to date something like that, you can't have not, if not. Do you think that would ever change? Like, let's say you have kids one day and like, 100%. It could always change. Emotions can change. Hormones can change. Like, people can change, whatever. But I'm not going to change. I think at this stage in your life, it's probably the

Starting point is 01:28:59 smart thing to do until you, like, actually settle down. That's what I'm saying. Like, if changes, then stuff moves, like, stuff moves accordingly. You know what I'm saying? Like, stuff will move accordingly to stuff that changes and it's like I'm not a dumb ass. I've seen what happens with my mom and my father at the time. They're divorced. But like I've seen like how it operates. I've seen in real life like

Starting point is 01:29:19 how families tear apart or like relationships break and it's like I'm not a and I'm not going to like if it does change God forbid it's like I'm going to move accordingly and I know how to move. I'm not going to like I said I'm not going to be with. I'm not going to be like oh

Starting point is 01:29:34 please come back, please stay type of thing. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm never, this is the mentality, I guess. Yeah. I don't know if that answer is. Do you know when you guys are going to move in together or when that might happen? Not any time soon. Because I told her, I was like, I'm not going to lie.

Starting point is 01:29:50 Rent's paid right now by Face Clan. Shout out, Face Clan. Content's being paid for. It's like, why would I ever take that for granted, I guess, and like try to move out or try to spread myself? And that's just how it is. Yeah. You know?

Starting point is 01:30:02 Now, on the topic of money, I'm curious, where is your money coming from? What do you mean? Like, what income sources do you have? Oh, okay. So right now I have Twitter, I guess in order. Twitch is probably my biggest check, I would say, month to month. Because that's what I'm most consistent in. Are you comfortable saying numbers or do you want to?

Starting point is 01:30:25 Yeah, I can see numbers. For an average month right now, if I stream around 140 hours, I'm pretty much around $150,000 to $200,000. If I exceed that with, like, for instance, like the month of the L. In The Odden Ring Marathon, I streamed about a hundred, no, I streamed about 210 hours. And that is with the investment I did, the $30,000 that I put in. And then that whole month, 210 hours, it was with daily streaming and then the Eldon Ring thing. I made, I think, 210 hours.

Starting point is 01:30:53 I think I made $230,000 on the month of Twitch that month. And then alongside I've had sponsorships. I won't say what sponsorship, but you could figure it out. But I've had a, I'll have sponsorships. That's another source of income is sponsorships. Sponsorships is like one of the biggest things. There's months to month sponsorships that are like a 10 to 20, 30 grand a month for like six months. If I do like a deliverables or whatever.

Starting point is 01:31:17 And then there's sponsorships that are like one off. Like for instance, if I do like a battlefield, like I play battlefield. I'm not going to say how much it was, because I can't. I did battlefield and that's like a big check. Like that ranges from anywhere from 200,000 to 400,000 just for like those deliverables in a month. And yeah, I've had months where I've made over half a million to almost a million dollars. Actually, I don't know if I had a million on. You haven't cracked the million mark yet?

Starting point is 01:31:42 No, I'm a... I don't know. Have I? I probably have. I think I have. There was a point where I had a gambling deal. I did it for two months. I got paid $100K a week for two months.

Starting point is 01:31:52 And what happened after the two months? I just went downhill. They got rid of it off Twitch, but I also had to realize that gambling is... This episode is brought to you by Defender. With its 626 horsepower twin turbo V8 engine, the defender, Octa, is taking on the Dakar rally. The ultimate off-road challenge. Learn more at landrover.ca.

Starting point is 01:32:17 So with the gambling deal, I'm curious, they fund your account as well to gamble that money, right? Well, so there's two different gambling thing, and that's why people think it's not legit. There's people who get fill balances where they get paid, let's say, like, $100,000, and they can only keep 20% of what they win. I got paid $100,000 a week, but if I lost $80,000, I made only.

Starting point is 01:32:37 I made $20,000 that week. Do they tell you how much you have to be gambling? So that was a big thing. I fenest the system. They didn't tell me. So that's why they got mad. That's what I was doing. I was doing $1.000 spins.

Starting point is 01:32:47 I ended up making sure I cashed every single week, $85,000 minimum. They got mad at me. Did you find that viewership declined doing $1 spins versus Togi, who's doing like $1,000 to like $5,000 spins? Oh, for sure. It's more entertaining, but it's like, you know, there's different, There's different worlds, you know, like look at TrainRex. TrainRex gets paid over, probably like, no exaggeration, like $30 million a month.

Starting point is 01:33:11 But people are like, oh, he gets paid $30 a month. He's not actually cashing in $30 million a month. He can, but the thing is he gambles it. And that's why he gets paid $30 million a month because the guy who runs steak knows, okay, if TrainRex gambles $30 million this month and he loses it all, I won because it's back in my pocket. But if he doesn't gamble, I'm going to be on edge and be like, why would I do this again and again? And Trainwarks is, he's very smart with his money.

Starting point is 01:33:36 I've talked to him a lot. But yeah, he could have been getting paid with affiliate money. That's guaranteed. Speaking with a lot of these guys, they're so smart. Like when you actually talk to them, it's so strategic and they're not dumb.

Starting point is 01:33:48 Like speaking to Togi even, like, just hearing his dedication and passion and like what he's into and like everything is thought out. And I'm seeing on the outside, just looking in, I'm like, oh, dude, this is a train wreck. But it's not. And I think a lot goes on behind. the scenes you just have no idea. Yeah, I mean, I can't speak for Togi as much as I don't know,

Starting point is 01:34:07 but like Trainwrecks are one of the most wealthiest people I know who, who's shown me his wealth. Like, he's wealthy. Yeah, he's very smart with how he does everything and he's very smart with how he makes money. And the internet can think these guys are fake. Again, this goes back to what I said. No, at the end of the day, as long as they know they're not fake and I know I'm not fake, like faking my lifestyle or whatever, like, oh, it's a real world. I think it's a real world. just unfathomable to people. Like that's, that is a concept. Like, when I mentioned he was getting paid $30 million a month, you were like, like,

Starting point is 01:34:38 I've seen it. I've seen it. Because I've, I've seen people get paid $4 million a week just off gambling. I've seen these, I've literally vividly in person, have seen numbers being transferred because it's, it's how it is. So you don't have to name anybody, but what's the biggest amount that you've seen?

Starting point is 01:34:56 Oh, I mean, I mean, based on this conversation, it's pretty easy to understand. I'm not going to say his name, but there's a point where someone clicked on their balance. on a website, like, in their vault. And it was like, I think it was like $11 million, $12 million, just sitting there. And I was like, can you take that out right now? And he took it out.

Starting point is 01:35:14 And he just took it out. That's what I'm saying? I'm like, okay. And what does it mean when it's like in a vault? That's just like, if you don't want to play with it, if you just want to keep it on the site. It's like a bank for the site. I see.

Starting point is 01:35:25 But like, he took it out. But what about like the biggest deals that you've seen in terms of like amount per week or per day? Oh, brother, I've known I know people who got paid millions a week like just to gamble. Like, I mean, it's a real world because in the return, it's like all these people, look at us,

Starting point is 01:35:43 we're talking about it right now. That's marketing, you know what I'm saying? They're paying for, they're putting their money for each buck. It's like, we're talking about it right now. There's probably someone in this video who's going to be like, oh, I'm going to go gamble real quick because they talk about it. Like, these guys telling you, it's all marketing

Starting point is 01:35:56 and it's genius. Is it a lot of money? Yeah, but it's the gambling world is like, money's always coming in, money's always going around. It's like, why would Coca-Cola spend millions of dollars every year on advertising? If everyone knows what Coca-Cola is, it's to stay relevant. You know what I'm saying? So it's like the same concept.

Starting point is 01:36:11 What do you think the future is for those sort of streams, like the gambling streams? Do you think they're going to continue cracking down on it? For sure, but it's never going to go anywhere. What are you going to do? How are you going to get rid of gamble? It's a world thing. It's like a big thing in the world. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:36:25 Probably age verification, where you have to like submit your ID and be 18 or 21 to like, like watch these streams. That would, that would crush the industry. But there's a reason they don't do it. Yes. It's a profitable business. And they're taking percent.

Starting point is 01:36:39 These sites are giving platforms money to be on their site. It's telling you, it's all it takes is one regulator. Yeah, because they've been starting to do that with the hub websites where they, like, require that you give ID.

Starting point is 01:36:52 I wouldn't know, but Jack has been telling me about this. What do you mean hub websites? Bro. Jack, you haven't heard the hub. The hub sites. I haven't heard of that. That. I mean, sometimes you can't think.

Starting point is 01:37:03 The fact that you even have like some sort of nickname for it just goes to show, bro. You're in the trenches. Yeah, I Jax. Explain. No wonder you like left mid-podcast to walk over there. Yeah, it was like a couple minutes. I mean, that's not bad. Yeah, it's fast. Yeah. I just got to check my phone real quick. They posted a new video. No, but yeah, it's like it's an industry, bro. It's never going to, I don't think it'll ever go away.

Starting point is 01:37:27 Even if they do the age verification. So if you're making what, 400,000 or so. month. I'm good months. Yeah. So like 300 to 400 grand. Yeah. And months.

Starting point is 01:37:36 I'm curious, who do you think has the deepest pockets then of all the streamers? Of, like, of like. Like Aiden Ross or XQC or train. Those are probably the people I think. Trainor X. Easy? I have known. He's told me some things and I've seen it.

Starting point is 01:37:53 He's deepest pockets. Easy. Easily. But what about Aiden? Doesn't he own a percentage of like kick and steak? Yeah. Aiden has great money, great, great money. And I know that too, because I've been to his house before we've talked, et cetera.

Starting point is 01:38:08 But XUC's poor as fuck, by the way. That guy's poor, like dirt poor. I'm talking like he doesn't even have a, no, he's poor, bro. Why is he poor? No, I just, I don't fuck with that guy, bro. He just doesn't make. It's like an inside time. Yeah, of course, of course.

Starting point is 01:38:23 That's a clip. He's the clip. All right. So where do you invest? Me? Yeah. So right now I have houses. I do a little bit of real estate where I bought houses.

Starting point is 01:38:33 I've never done like Section 8 and Airbnb's, but like I'll just buy houses just to maintain for the market. I just actually... Where do you buy houses? I do New Jersey. Oh, really? Yeah, because that's where I'm originally from. Okay.

Starting point is 01:38:44 Property tax is high, though. Yeah, but it's just, it's also more comfort because I know, like, I can go there and watch over. I'm about to start getting into people watching over property so I can invest more like a financial company and all that type of stuff. But I do that. I don't do crypto. I don't really do assets, like watches.

Starting point is 01:39:01 guess like what you were saying like back to cars it's like if you don't drive it same thing with watches I guess that's an asset it is but it's like they go up and down like look at the COVID market like that went up then it went down so it's like but most of my money either goes into real estate and then like obviously into like just stocks like I have my management that just put stocks doing like index funds yeah of course okay cool but I mean most of my money I'm not going to lie is it's just like invested into real estate to be honest I just I like cash flow. Are you getting a good return on real because with the price is the way they are now unless you're buying it outright but even if you look at the return buying it out right it's not like it's not great anymore today's prices

Starting point is 01:39:39 it's just like a security yeah it's like a great example is like phase rug like what he's taught me and he's said this too oh dude yeah he's good no i would love to get phase rug yeah yeah we tried oh my god he said i met him and i was like and i was like and because he knew what we were doing and i was like i'm super super down yeah he's he wanted us to go down to san die And we're like, yes, when? And he's like, I don't know. This is kind of busy. He's very busy.

Starting point is 01:40:04 Yeah. But he's taught me, he's like, I'm not going to say how many proverbs he has, but every time he gets a check, he buys a house outright. Completely. Just like a single family home? I don't know what type, but he'll buy. He does like a lot of multifamily. Some commercial, like smart.

Starting point is 01:40:22 I'm talking like, he'll buy it out so he owns it. Even if it's a lot of money, he'll buy it out so he owns it. I'm pretty sure, Rug, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what he told me. and he has a lot of properties and like I just I get so inspired by that because every time he gets a check he's not blowing it on stupid shit it's either his content like sure he'll buy like some stuff

Starting point is 01:40:39 but like everyone does that you have a life you know you only live once but he's very smart he'll just buy stuff that he'll know is a return eventually so like when he decides to be done with YouTube he's sitting on X amount of money with real estate that's been going up and then also that he can rent out

Starting point is 01:40:55 it's like you'll be forever safe you know he's very smart when it comes to that, but I think he's buying a lot in California. I could be incorrect on that, yeah. It might be San Diego down there, though. Like, that might be better. Yeah. So aside from Mr. Bees, too, do you think it's going to be the second YouTube billionaire?

Starting point is 01:41:12 Or content creator-billioner. Oh, okay. Easily. Yeah, yeah. Easily. Jake Paul, too. I think Logan Paul will be there before. Logan Paul is, he's just a mastermind with content.

Starting point is 01:41:22 When I've met him, too, he's very good at, like, just, he's very good at life. and people think he's a dumb ass. He's very good. So what would you say is the best and worst investment you've ever made? The best investment I ever made? Myself. The $8,000 computer you bought.

Starting point is 01:41:43 Actually, I got a funny investment. My cat, and you're going to think it's a joke. I bought that cat for, I bought a cat. I named him Burger. I bought him for $100. I'm not, okay, this is a true story. You can go on TikTok. I bought him for $100.

Starting point is 01:41:55 He's made me... He made me millions of dollars. No, he made me millions of dollars. I'm serious. How? I went so viral because of him. I'm not kidding. Like, when I was playing Fortnite every day, like when I was coming back,

Starting point is 01:42:08 I was playing and I bought this cat, and you can literally look it up on TikTok Burger. It'll come up as a Burger the Cat. We're talking like celebrities found him, like Madison Beer started talking about it. Like all these people started talking about him and these clips would generate no exaggeration. Every time I posted it, it would be like 5 million views,

Starting point is 01:42:24 8 million views, 10 million views, 10 million views. Why? I don't know. What do you mean you don't know? There's something up with Burger. He's just a, it's a funny cat. It's a funny name. And like the shit he would do on stream like, bro, it's like one of those cats, $100.

Starting point is 01:42:37 It's like they were going to probably kill the cat. I don't know. They were going to do something with the cat. They weren't going to keep him there. So I bought him. And this guy was jumping on me on stream, like jumping onto the cameras, doing stupid shit. And people just find it hilarious. And it turned into like a character that went viral all over TikTok.

Starting point is 01:42:53 And people started coming into my streams more. They started watching me. Then they would, wait for my cat and then they find me funny and then they stay for me. So I'm not kidding, that was probably the greatest investment I've ever had. So people should be adopting more cats. Go to the shelter, check out the cats. Go to the like the shelters and take them from those. They don't. I'm so serious. I'm telling you that. I'm not kidding. Like it sounds like a joke. That was my greatest investment. I swear to God. And what's your worst investment?

Starting point is 01:43:20 My worst investment. I would say such a answer, but I would say just clothes and jewelry. It's like besides watches, like I would say like buying like diamonds and or buying like Balenciaga or like it doesn't matter. And it's such a it's hard because a lot of kids will do it and I'm a victim to it. It's not about like propaganda like people like like streamers wearing it or like YouTubers wearing it or like athletes or celebrities like oh this is cool. You should rock it. Or if I walk around with a thousand dollar t-shirt, everyone's like oh that guy's got a thousand dollar t-shirt. He's cool. I kind of grew out of it a lot recently because I'm like, what the fuck am I doing?

Starting point is 01:44:00 You know what I'm saying? Like, I usually, like, if I buy expensive, like, clothes, it'll be like unbranded or you won't be able to tell. Like, for instance, a great example is like, there's these Belizaga jeans, but you wouldn't be able to tell their Belenziaga. They were like, 1,500. But I could wear them 10 times in a week and no one would know. I'm rewearing him.

Starting point is 01:44:16 And it's like, that to me is a better investment, like a logo on my chest, etc. This was a gift. So, I mean, it's like, do you know what this is? Probably Good fellow. No, Tom Ford. Is it? That's what I said. If I wore a good fellow, you know.

Starting point is 01:44:29 And that was a gift too. No, but you could wear that 10 times as weekend. No one's going to be like, that to me is a good investment though, like a better investment than like, like, bro, I'm not kidding. On my streams every day, I wear a black t-shirt. I wear a Goodfellow t-shirt. I bought 20 from Target for $20. And I wear it every single day. So they say past a certain point in income, life quality doesn't really increase.

Starting point is 01:44:52 What line would you draw on the income scale? Like where would you say life doesn't get better? To find better though, because everyone finds something better. Like, for instance, like, if I made a million dollars a month, I'd find my life better right now because I could buy cars that would make me happier. It's not about materialistic. You could buy a Konakshak. I could buy a Konazek. Cash.

Starting point is 01:45:10 But, like, like, I would say there's obviously diminishing returns where it starts to slow down, you know, but like where would you say really that line is to be drawn where it goes from like, you know, way, way, way better until like, okay, sure, like, you know, I can get these luxury items that don't really know. I don't know if this is going to answer your question. Maybe I'm a misunderstanding, but I would say life gets better when you realize you can pay your lifestyle, meaning like it depends your lifestyle. Like if your lifestyle is I want to live in a nice house and have two kids that are going to college and be able to buy a car for them, etc.

Starting point is 01:45:42 Like that's like a lifestyle most people want to live. If you can make a certain amount of money, like for instance, like for me, I think if I, even how much money I have, even my lifestyle right now, if I was guaranteed like $300,000 a year, I could live the life that I want. Is that what I want? No, because obviously I want stupid like cars. I want a stupid house.

Starting point is 01:46:01 You know what I'm saying? That's what everyone wants in their life. But it's like, I could probably comfortably, like, go on vacation with like, what, what would you say? Like, $250, $300,000 a year. Like, you could. Oh, yeah. That's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 01:46:12 Nicely. That's what I'm saying nicely. Like, you could go on vacation multiple times a year. You could actually depends, though, because if we're in California, you lose half of us, I don't know. But, I mean, it's like, to me, I guess if you want to ask that question once, I'm just I could get it back in my head. So it's like what? So like what would I be comfortable with making a month or a year? No, like beyond a certain point is there like a certain point money stops being,

Starting point is 01:46:35 you know, super, super, super, super enticing. Because like if you're making, obviously the quality of her life is going to be dramatically better if you're making 60 grand per year. Then if you're making 10 grand a year. For sure. And then like, you know, 100 grand a year still like way better than 50 grand a year. 150 is still, I feel like a decent amount better. I feel like you're always going to chase that though. That's why. Sure. But like past a certain point, like there comes a time. Like, you know, the difference between $100,000 a month and $300 grand a month isn't really going to be like the most exciting thing, I feel like. You think so? I don't know.

Starting point is 01:47:02 I've never made, you know. Well, that's what I'm saying, but that's what you drive to, no? So that kind of answers your own question. It's like, I don't know how much money you make a year, but like wouldn't you want to double that? Wouldn't you want to double that? And then if you had doubled that, wouldn't you double that again? Wouldn't your life change even more? It's like when some people are like, I wish I could make $100K a month.

Starting point is 01:47:19 Okay, what happens when you make $100K a month? Are you going to wish I want to make $200k a month? Like, I don't know if your life necessarily changes, and I don't know if this is even a good answer for your question, but it's like, I don't really know. I feel like life doesn't change. It's such a stupid answer, but like I feel like life doesn't change depending on how much money you have.

Starting point is 01:47:38 I truly don't. I think if I made, I mean, obviously, like, if you're like very low class, yes. But I think, like, once you reach a threshold of, like, you're making, like, middle class, like high-end middle class, it's like, which I don't know how much that is right now. I'm out of touch. Probably about 250, I believe, is like the high-end middle class.

Starting point is 01:47:55 If you're making 250 a year, I don't think you're going to see a big difference making 500,000. I agree. But I think you're going to be able to enjoy life more. There we go. That's kind of what I'm getting. I think you'll be able to like have more fun, buy more stupid. So in a sense, that could make your life better. But if I made a million dollars a year and I make $3 million the next year, yeah, I'm going to be hype.

Starting point is 01:48:17 And I'm going to definitely have more life in me, just truthfully. So you're talking a lot about manifesting. another podcast that I've seen. What are you manifesting now? It's crazy. Because going on what you said, I've manifested every small thing in my life. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:48:30 No, I agree with it. I've been very much the same way. Like, yeah, I wanted to be a streamer. I figured out a way. I wanted to buy a car. Even when I wasn't making money, I figured out a way. I wanted to buy the upgrade of the car.

Starting point is 01:48:40 I figured out a way. I wanted to come back. I want to join Face Clan at 12. I'm in Face Clan. You know what I'm saying? I figured out ways. I think manifestation is a real thing. And I think it's one of the biggest things in the world

Starting point is 01:48:51 because the world runs off like, energy. And I think if you put out good energy, you get good energy back. And I feel like if you're a good person, good things happen to you. And it doesn't have to be instant. It doesn't have to be in a year. It could be when you're almost on your deathbed. You might live another day because you're a good person. That's just how the world works in my head. What are things I'm manifesting now, though? I'm really just manifesting just more success. Honestly, like I just want to be able to stay in the entertainment business and provide content and provide even motivation like this to people who want to be in a position like me or want to exceed the position of me. Like people should want to

Starting point is 01:49:26 exceed who I am if they're fans of me. Like they, I want to inspire people to do that. And honestly, that's like my biggest manifestation is like, I just want like good energy around me and I want to put out more good energy and hopefully I could stay in the space without overworking myself. You know, like I don't want to, I basically just don't want to fall off again. Like I don't care how much money I make. I just want to be in the business. Like I just, I love it. I love the entertainment. You should do more of that. Like more inspirational stuff. I know. sometimes you could like borderline kind of cheesy. But like I think you have a gift when you really say this that you're just going to inspire like

Starting point is 01:49:57 one person who's going to go and take that action. Well, that's the thing is if you have a quarter thousand people and you inspire a hundred of those people, it's like realistically, I have a hundred, if you inspire 100,000 people better analogy, it's like, if you inspire 100,000 people, let's be real. One of those people are going to be extremely successful. So it's like that's the whole thing is like the mindset that I think people forget is like if I can inspire one person that one day might exceed my limit, which they probably will, that's like a goal of life. You know what I'm saying? It's just like it's a gift of life.

Starting point is 01:50:26 It's like being able to inspire people. And I think people take for granted or they don't comprehend that this is like, again, what you said is cheesy, but it's like they don't comprehend that this is one life. You know what I'm saying? So like when I die, it's like what can I actually leave behind? If I can inspire someone or have someone be big and huge, it's like that's a success in life to me. You know what I'm saying? And I don't know. That's all I am. So if you want to say the one thing that you think can actually inspire the most amount of people. If you're just speaking directly to them, there's going to be a lot of listeners here that are like on a long car drive, maybe they're at the gym, maybe they're just like chilling

Starting point is 01:50:57 on their couch. They need to hear this one thing. What would it be? If you can't give 100% and you can only give 10% of your energy, but you give that 10% of your energy, you gave 100%. Think about it. You understand the quote? You understand it?

Starting point is 01:51:15 Whose quote is that? My quote. Oh. No, I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But serious, though, if you can't give 100% and you can only give like a 10% and you give that 10% you gave 100%... Well, then you're giving 100% of what you have still. That's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 01:51:28 Even if it's 10% you're giving... But that's the problem is most people won't give an effort. That's the thing. And I think failure is the biggest way to become successful in life. I think you have to fail. I think you have to make mistakes. I think you have to lose everything to gain everything. You know, that's how I'm here.

Starting point is 01:51:45 I lost everything at one point. And I understood it. I appreciated it. it and I realized what I had and I made sure I don't lose it again, you know? I couldn't agree more. And I also think it's important to have a good relationship with failure. So like if you fail, you're able to like look back on that failure and see it as like, okay, it's an opportunity. Let me use this failure as a way of learning what not to do instead of like, let me just fail. It's like, what do you do? You're going to quit?

Starting point is 01:52:09 Yeah. That's why I've always viewed it. Like, if there's some sort of failure, I try to look at that like, what is this trying to teach me to improve in the future and like how is this going to make the world better. It's the only way to think. Yeah. And it really is because it's like the people who see failure and they just quit, it's like, okay, I mean, that's your aspect on life. It's like, you're not going to become rich.

Starting point is 01:52:30 You're not going to become wealthy saying, seeing a failure and be like, you know what I'm saying? Like these guys who are billionaires are like, are they good people deep down? I don't know. They probably failed way more than everyone else. They probably failed all thousand hours. You got to watch that video, the Jubilee video, the capitalist versus, what was it? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:52:44 Socialist. Holy. No, but that's what I'm saying? People are just like, if you, seriously, Watch this video. It's like an hour and a half. It is one of the best videos that I've seen on YouTube.

Starting point is 01:52:52 Patrick Bet David, if you're familiar with him. I've heard of that guy. He sits down and he talks about business, money, mindset, and you see the stark difference between the people on the other side. A hundred percent. The victim mentality, the woe is me. I can't do it.

Starting point is 01:53:06 You're lucky. Three jobs after getting divorced and my dad took all the money and she was losing money and she was still putting food on the table. She was still figuring out ways. I'm telling you it's a mindset. It's like these people,

Starting point is 01:53:18 are victimizing themselves. It's the truth. And the problem is the people who get upset about that that are watching this video, they're the proof in the pudding. You know what I'm saying? Like, those are the people that I'm talking about. It's like, they don't want to change their mindset because they want to give up on life. And that's why it's so stupid to say, but that's why you're always going to be like in this like matrix. It says so crazy. If you heard what you said and your initial thought processed in response was like easy for you to say. If you're thinking right now easy for you to say, I think he's speaking exactly directly to you. Yeah, because I've been the position. That's what I'm saying. It's like I'm not, I haven't been in position to work a nine to five.

Starting point is 01:53:51 I understand it gets hard and I understand it's harder and I'll never understand that position because I've never done that. I've never had a family where I'm working and I'm trying to put food on the table, whatever. I'm grateful for my life and it is easy for me to say in that sense. But I also, you can't, the people who live that life, they can't say it's easy for me if they've never lived in my life. How did I get to this point? How did I, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know, to wrap that part up. It's like you have to, you have to fail. You have to fail. You have to fail and you cannot let it affect you. As soon as you let it affect you, it's like, all right, you're not, you're gone. It's like, whatever. Then it's a real failure. Yeah, you're done.

Starting point is 01:54:25 You're done. It's your mindset on life. If I had the mindset when I wasn't doing as good viewership wise, it's like, I wouldn't have been here. You know what I'm saying? So it's like you just, I hope this video gets a 10 out of 10. I'm just kidding. So you guys lures. All right, so we have a tier list for you. This is a fun little thing we're going to do at the end. Let us know what you thought, Let us know what you think about each streamer dragged them into whatever category you think they've been doing. Think about them in what way? Just in any.

Starting point is 01:54:52 I got to explain to the reason. I would say, think about them in the first way that comes to mind. Okay. She knows. How? Did you blam? No. The devil wears Prada too.

Starting point is 01:55:02 He's the movie event 20 years in the making. Honestly, can't with the secrets anymore. So I think we just, we should tell her. Will you two please spit it out already? This Friday, be the first to experience it only in theaters. In light of the recent scandal, I'm sure to restore your credibility. Oh, because we're a team now. That's a nice story.

Starting point is 01:55:22 The Devil Wears Prada 2 in Theat's Friday. I'll be honest with you. I think one of these people I don't know. Okay, so first is Aidan Ross. I think Aiden Ross will never get the respect that he deserves. I think it's more or less for his controversies that he's had. I think people don't really respect him a lot of what he's done and how he's built Twitch. I would dick ride,

Starting point is 01:55:49 whatever. I think he's S-tier. I think he's a genius when it comes to stuff. Do I think he's as passionate as he is now? The truth is no. And Aiden, if you're watching, I hope you become passionate. You see my text all the time. I've tried telling him. I think he could be at a whole new level

Starting point is 01:56:05 if he was more passionate. Do I think his work ethic is good right now? Yeah. But he's genuinely, he's a smart person. People think he's a dumb ass. He's a smart, smart person. agent agent i would say like i don't see if i put my b tier my dick no but i think agent is at the top of bt like no but the thing is i don't i actually i'm gonna put agent at a tier only because um he streams so consistently he doesn't care about numbers and he creates actual content

Starting point is 01:56:38 like he's a genius when it comes to content he's very passionate about what he does and i think he he's always going to find success in his own ways and he's been doing this for like eight years years too he he's he's really smart he deserves everything that he's got foozy foosie bro um please don't find me in the random streets and beat me up i'm gonna have to put you at d tier the only reason i wouldn't put you at f tier is because you were very successful when it came to content early on to youtube and then you found success in streaming and then you just went off the rail like he went off the rails like i feel like he he didn't really i don't know bro he something something was going on mentally um yeah

Starting point is 01:57:17 He's got great clips though. No, he's hilarious. Everything he does is just viral. He's hilarious. Actually, I'd put him at C-tier. He's hilarious, but I couldn't put him anywhere above C-tier because it's like he's so all over the place. He takes breaks for months, sometimes years,

Starting point is 01:57:35 and then goes on these rants, etc. Jack Doherty, this is going to surprise a lot of people. Jack Doherty is the cringiest kid ever. He's an annoying cringe kid, but it's also, funny enough. No one will believe that. this, it's all an image. I don't think the kid is actually like that. He's a genius when it comes to making money.

Starting point is 01:57:52 I know how he makes money. He signs these only fans, girls, he does real estate. He may flex. He may be cringe. He may be stupid. But at the end of the day, like this kid is doing all this for market value. Like, people are talking about it. We know who he is because he's an annoying, cringe kid.

Starting point is 01:58:06 And he's smart. So I would put him at CET or also, but I put him above Fuzi because Jack probably knows how to make really good money. Hassan, I don't really watch Hassan. I know that it's obviously political so I can't really take notes on that because I don't watch him

Starting point is 01:58:25 but I know Hassan is like should I just put a new where should I do for people I don't watch? Just skip it. Okay. But he's smart. Hassan's smart. He knows how to do Jason. I've had faith in Jason

Starting point is 01:58:39 since I met him the day I met him. I've known him when he had like 500 viewers. I genuinely think he is an S-tier streamer, and I'm not even just saying that because he's my friend. I just know he's an S-tier streamer because I know he's always going to be figuring out some ways to make content, and he's always going to figure out a way to be successful. And I think that's a trait that not a lot of people have is finding ways to always be successful and always make content.

Starting point is 01:59:06 Oh, Johnny Somali. I'm not a lot. I've never watched Johnny Somali, but I'm pretty sure he's in jail right now. He is. He ruined IRL streaming to an extent. I think he he he tried going above and beyond and he's the he's actually the exact thing that people think I am now like I'm an annoying IRL streamer but I'm not like I know my boundaries he didn't he didn't know his boundaries so what like B tier S tier F um Kai Sinat they're gonna call me dick riding but Kai Sinat is a hundred thousand percent S tier and I only think that because this man figured out ways to shift. The biggest thing is why I also put Aiden here also. And I know the controversy is like Aidan Ross, Kaysenat. Bro, they both, they're both good in their own ways. Like Aiden Ross figured out a way

Starting point is 01:59:54 to bring the culture onto Twitch. Kai Sinat figured out a way to also bring the culture on Twitch. And like, it's so brilliant how Kai does his shit. People don't want to give him credit. I understand it. It's just how the internet it is. But he's very smart and he makes great content. And he figures out ways to be at the top of the level. He's the top of the level. He's the top of the. top you know what I'm saying and I also think he's going to be bigger than streaming I don't I don't I you can quote me now I guarantee you he will not be streaming probably in two years if that maybe even a year I think he's going to do way bigger things off camera whether it be YouTube whether it be uh movies etc I think it's going to be another form of like how a Logan Paul was how it's

Starting point is 02:00:33 like oh they're not he's not a YouTuber no more he's a whatever I think Kai's not going to be a streamer as much and if he is going to be a streamer I think he's going to stream rarely I think he's going to host like bigger events um Lacey Fat. Is there a fat one? No, Lacey, I would also put at an A tier and not just because he's my friend. I don't know if people are going to be like, oh, the A tier, that's too high. Maybe he's at the top of B. But I would say he's only A tier, only because he is the same way as agent.

Starting point is 02:01:02 He streams almost every day. And he also figures out a way to make organic content, whether it be collaborating with people, which is hard to do. A lot of people can't collab with people. But he also just makes content. for everybody and his clips, he does a lot of stupid shit and I think he's brilliant.

Starting point is 02:01:17 People won't give him credit, but I think he's brilliant. And it's obviously funny except putting my friends at the top, but I think that because I'm around them the most, so I know how they are. Who fuck is... I don't know.

Starting point is 02:01:28 It was like a band or something. A what? A band. I don't know. He's got a whole entourage. Um, Rodees. Ludwig, I would say Ludwig is also a very...

Starting point is 02:01:39 I would say he's highest on A only because, um, Ludwig is mainstream, but I feel like he doesn't have too much of the culture. People might think I'm crazy. I feel like he doesn't have too much of the culture of like where if he went to, it's a stupid example. And he doesn't need this, by the way.

Starting point is 02:01:56 But like if he went to a Travis Scott concert, I don't think anyone's going to crowd Ludwig. Because it's like a different audience, you know what I'm saying? And he doesn't need that. He is brilliant. He's crazy big on YouTube. He has a whole different audience that I can, I don't even have. I would never have that audience.

Starting point is 02:02:11 and he's at the top of A tier And but see I think is I put Jason at S tier So I don't know But the thing is I put Jason at S tier Because I'm day to day with him And it's like I know his plans I don't know Ludwig's plans But I will consider Ludwig a borderline S tier

Starting point is 02:02:25 Um He was the first person to break the record on Twitch For the sub-a-thon for how many subs you had He creates new ideas every day He's brilliant Uh, Ms. Kiff I'm not really a fan of Ms. Kiff I think he's cool

Starting point is 02:02:39 He does content every single day too I don't know, I just, I don't watch his content, so I can't give too much on it, but I know he's not a C tier. He's not on the same level as Jack Doherty and Foozy, but I would put him at B only because it's like, I don't watch him, but what I've seen is like, it's like more of like older Twitch stuff. You know what I'm saying? Like more like stuff. I don't know. I just feel like there's not much advancing from that stuff if that makes sense. Like, I don't know.

Starting point is 02:03:05 Maybe I'm sounds stupid. Sure. Yeah. Neon, I would put him at A also because he just, even though people hate him, even though people think he's cringe, he always figures out a way to collab with some of the biggest names and like he'll figure out ways. He'll put his money where his mouth is. Doesn't matter if he pays clippers, et cetera. He's successful and he's, he's out of point. So you can't hate on someone who's successful. Like you can't. He finds ways for everything. Ninja. You ninja Oh that probably would have been one of my viral clips too I should have mentioned that Oh yeah yeah I mean him had beef I don't know if you know about

Starting point is 02:03:42 Yeah we did our research It might have been the craziest Yeah I saw it Ninja I'm not gonna lie I looked up to you For a long time And then obviously our drama happened

Starting point is 02:03:53 It made me really sad But I have to give you credit Where credit is due I would say See like if we're going off right now I would have to put you at an A I would have put you at an S, but it's like

Starting point is 02:04:05 he's not doing what he should be doing right now. You know what I'm saying? I feel like he didn't advance the level he should have with how much popularity he had, but he made Fortnite as big as it.

Starting point is 02:04:15 He borderline made me if you think about it because he made Fortnite which Fortnite made me. So I'll put him at an A tier because he's still one of the goats and you have to give credit, but I wouldn't put him at S

Starting point is 02:04:24 because right now I'm thinking about current state of the internet. That's fair. I feel like he doesn't do as much right now. Pokey Main. I can't, I don't really watch her. Do I respect her?

Starting point is 02:04:38 Yes. But I don't watch her, but I also don't see her stream that much. And I feel like she doesn't do anything crazy. And I saw she dropped a cookie bag for $40 or something like that. I don't know if y'all saw that. But I think she's a genius and I think she's smart with how she does. She's a business person at the end of the day. I'd put her at B tier only because I don't watch her and I don't know her.

Starting point is 02:04:58 And you know it's crazy. She's probably going to see this and somehow get mad and probably never talk to me. speed speed is easily up there on s and i'd put him there not just because he's the biggest but he figured out ways where anything he does is just like it's it's brilliant and it's like he he changed how the cultures of streaming he made iRL streaming like way different where like for me i would be able to go outside and go to in and out and people would love it speed he goes to like all these places with crazy planned segments and it turned iRL streaming into like what it is today i feel like, and I feel like a lot of people want to be like a speed.

Starting point is 02:05:33 When they think about it, I want to be an IRS streamer, I want to be a streamer. It's like, a speed, you know? So I, so speed is definitely the goat. Tim the Tapman, again, I'd put him at B only because I don't watch him. And again, he's a gamer. He's very consistent. He's been doing it for like eight, 10 years, 12 years, whatever. And he's been successful all 12 years.

Starting point is 02:05:53 So actually, I'd put him a boat. Yeah, I'd put him in A. I'd put Tim the, but then I have to put, yeah, I'd put Tim the Tapman in A. because he's just always been consistent and he's always went live no matter what. Toggi. How do you say his name? Togi.

Starting point is 02:06:08 Togi. See, I don't really know Togi. I don't watch him, but he's hilarious. He's a rich dude. I'm going to put him at B though, only because I don't watch him, but I've met him in person one time

Starting point is 02:06:19 and it was like 50 seconds and he was hilarious. He was super nice. I really respect him a lot and he's the dope. He's really good person. But Talley, he's in jail right now, no? Yeah, in Philippines or something like that.

Starting point is 02:06:31 Vitaly, I'm going to put you at D above Johnny Somali because you actually, bro, Vitaly, you hate him or not early YouTube? Oh, you changed the game. He changed the game. Yeah. He had some of the best. The gold digger pranks.

Starting point is 02:06:47 He was just goaded, et cetera. He's a good dude, though, I'm sure deep down. He's just up in the head. I put him at D. Oh, my God. Josh. Imagine if he had a content house with him, Johnny, Somali, and Fuzi. Oh, no, it would be age.

Starting point is 02:07:02 Jack Dority. Yeah. Imagine that content house. That right there, I think. They should do it. And Sam Hyde. Dude. I think that would be the.

Starting point is 02:07:09 And Josh Block. And Josh Block. That would be the most genius content house ever. They could make millions. They would be making so much money. Especially if they all did gambling. Yeah. The whole shit would die.

Starting point is 02:07:20 So quickly. Dude with Gidion, just doing like, Reditor. Examosy videos. Bring them to the house. That's good. Josh Block, he's F. Only because this kid obviously has problems and they take advantage of him.

Starting point is 02:07:38 Someone's got to save this kid. I don't know what to talk about about this guy because I don't watch him, but anything I've seen of him, it's something's f*** up about him. XQC, poor, probably. Yeah, very poor. That's what I've heard.

Starting point is 02:07:54 Yeah, doesn't really have much money. He fakes every. He view by him. too. That's my thought. Yeah, everything that he does is just view-bodied. It's fake. It's poor.

Starting point is 02:08:02 Ex-Q-C, though. XQC, you're to go, bro. You're up there the same level. No one will ever be able to discredit you from a Kai to a speed to an Aden. It doesn't matter if you have 10,000 viewers. It doesn't matter if you have 100,000 viewers. You are the most successful streamer in ways

Starting point is 02:08:18 that people might not ever see. If you go to his Twitch tracker where it shows how many days he's live, he's almost live every single day for the past six years. And we're talking not... two hours. We're talking 10 to 24 hours a day for six years. I'm so serious. He's the only person in the world. I'm pretty sure, right? He's the only person in the world who's ever done this.

Starting point is 02:08:39 Do you think that's really unhealthy? A hundred percent. He's openly admitted it's unhealthy. And you obviously see the real side of him because he's live so much. That's all, his whole life is documented. And but he's just so brilliant. And he set the foundation for Twitch and people don't even realize it like the people who who like I'm just being honest bro it's like even before an aiden Ross and a kai and a speed and a me doesn't matter it's like xc was the one doing these iRL streams when they weren't popular xc was the one who was playing games when they weren't popular making content that people didn't see like he's he's a genius um do i think he's up to part with everyone now no and i'd say that to him just because it's like he knows that though it's like he doesn't

Starting point is 02:09:23 care to keep up with how popularity is now i think he just streamed just a stream, but he's a genius. He's one of the smartest streamers ever, right? And we might ever see. I don't know. Cool. Is that the whole list? Yeah, besides the song.

Starting point is 02:09:36 Where would you put yourself? I put myself at an A. I'm not an S. I don't think I'm ever going to be an S. I don't think I'll be an S only because it's like you have to do so much difference to become that level. And personally, I love where I'm at.

Starting point is 02:09:52 I'm not comfortable, but it's like I'm happy with it, you know? So you think Johnny Somali is ranked higher than Joshua Block? Yeah, put Joshua Block up. Put him up a little bit. All right, we'll put him in B. Yeah, right. That's it.

Starting point is 02:10:07 Awesome. Dude, seriously, thank you so much for coming on the ice coffee hour. That was a blast. Really fun to talk to a streamer. We want to get into talking to more streamers. So hopefully this kind of opens up the gates for that. Yeah, dude, really, like this is one of the more enjoyable ones. Because I feel like we could just, you know,

Starting point is 02:10:23 just shoot a little bit. Just do me a favor. When you cut up the clips, whatever's doing it, please don't make me look too bad. Okay, yeah. I know we can get whatever you need, but, uh, yeah. We'll do our best. We'll put your info down below in the description and, yeah, really appreciate this.

Starting point is 02:10:36 Big thank you to White Glove Estates. Again, their info is also down below for allowing us to use this. They are a lifesaver, so if you want to check them out, highly recommend it, especially if you're in Los Angeles. Shout out you guys for watching. Thank you so much. Shout out Spencer. He's listening to the audio.

Starting point is 02:10:50 Thank you, Spencer. Until next time. See ya. Thank you. Peace.

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