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What is something that the left is fundamentally right about that the right does not want to acknowledge? Nothing. Get out of my face. Don't get it. I know that how lets you back on this TSA? Good luck because they don't give them. How difficult is it to change someone's mind? Depends.

Beach, you go. I have plenty of friends. I'm fine having a few enemies. They're all in the same room. They're all going to the same parties. And when they all share the same worldview, it's a blind spot. How much money have you lost? by not being PC.

Many tens of millions of dollars? I've had people say that I was a hate speaker because I said soccer was... I do. I think so. What political beliefs have you changed your mind on? I don't know that anyone has ever actually convinced me to take a more left position. Optimistic or pessimistic about America in 10 years. People aren't going to like this answer. Stephen Crowder, thank you so much for coming on the ice coffee hour.

Thank you for having me on the ice coffee hour without iced coffee, by the way. Our apologies? I was wondering if you were going to have it. And I was like, hey, do you think I turned to Lane, the brain, my producer? I said, do you think, like, they just got locked into this where they were having an idea sometime? I know. Ice coffee hour. And then you realized you always had to have inventory and you're locked in.

That is 100% true. Yeah. So, like, people think that the name means something. It hardly means anything. And it was just our viewers said, hey, we kind of like this. It's kind of got a ring to it. We signed up for it and we can't change it now because it's been like seven years. He had no idea the podcast would be this big.

Oh, that's what every. everybody says, oh, stop it. You guys worked your ass off. This didn't just happen by I didn't know. I didn't know. But you could still work hard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I know. But, you know, maybe just going forward, you should call it like your beverage of choice hour because people will be expecting ice coffee. That would be Newtonic. Shout out Chris Williamson. I love a new tonic. But anyways, boy. I first found out about you in late high school, early college from the Change My Mind series you would go tour college campuses, put up a sign that said, change my mind, and have some really fascinating political and sometimes philosophical or psychological discussion.

I'm curious, how difficult is it to change someone's mind? It's not that difficult if you categorize them as two separate people. So I was at Fox News for four and a half years and everything was like a quadrant view, you know, and we would be in the same room sometimes. Like imagine us all here, but they're like we want to make it seem like you're in D.C. And you're in New York where one time I got suspended because the guy was sitting next to me and I said, hey, high five my quadrant. And I reached into his and the producers like, you can't do that because people thought

you were in different cities. So in comedy and stand-up comedy, if you can tell a joke, in four words that you're telling in 10, do it in four. Brevity is a soul of wit. With debates that are on air on legacy media, it was about buying up as much time as you could, repeating the same point or saying nothing. It's about eliminating accountability, sounding smart, but buying up time. And you do it for like four minutes, five minutes.

I said, well, these are not as interesting as the conversations that I have off air. I actually wrote a book, pitched it. It was turned down by every major conservative publisher. They said, absolutely not. No one's ever going to want to read this. We want the Obama blueprint was big. Like we want Doomsday books right now. That's what sells.

I pitched the idea as a segment. I pitched the idea to do it online. No. So I just went out and did it. The first time I did it, I think, was in a sandwich board because we couldn't actually get a permit to go anywhere. You'll have a conversation with someone and they'll go, well, I never really thought of that. But there are two kind of separate groups of people. This was the book treatment that I wrote.

There are those who are default liberal. Less so today. But back in the day when we were raised, right? It was Rock Against Bush. a symbol on all the Republicans. It was ABC, NBC, CNN, CBS, CNBC. I came up under Andrew Breitbart where everything was left. In other words, if you were not politically active,

but you were going to take the default position according to what you watch, what you listen to, you would be a liberal. Those people, their minds can be changed quite often. And we see it quite a bit. And that's the change of my mind is kind of that jujitsu trick where it's like, well, actually, I'm changing your mind

by just using the Socratic method. It's not debate, it's rhetoric. There's a separate group of people. people who are the purveyors of the myth of the propaganda, where they cannot acknowledge if it doesn't hold water because they're so bought in, they have to sell it anyway. Those people, you don't change their mind, those people you make an example of them,

make them look silly as stupid as possible so that the people who are approaching in good faith hear the best argument. But I do think that's the most valuable skill in the political space, is being able to recognize the two different kinds of people and which one you're most likely dealing with. How quickly could you tell what side they're on?

Well, it depends. Like if they have a nose ring and blue hair, that's a dead giveaway. A dead giveaway as to what? That I don't like them. That I'm not going to enjoy my time. If they're screeching, they're always... What's the difference between a screech and like a reasonable kind of scream? Yeah, well, it's usually demonic presence that like if they're yelling, we are Legion,

you're like, well, I probably want to stay away from that. No, it's... You can tell when someone approaches you aggressively. So one of my first coaches in jujitsu... He one time when I was a white belt, he said, so we have a rule, okay? If you come a switch with me, I'm going to be switch with you. You come spicy?

I'm going to be spicy, meaning he matches intensity. And that's what I kind of learn. So you gauge it based on how they're approached. They're dead giveaways like buzzwords. If they use the word Latinx, unironically, they're an asshole. If they come in and they immediately say, like, hi, my name Sandra and my pronouns are, You know, but you still have to be respectful, but it gives you a pretty good idea how it's going to go. So it's always individual, but it's not that hard to see people approaching something in good faith, especially if you treat them respectfully.

I always treat people respectfully when they approach. Did anyone change your mind? You know what's funny is if anything, people ask me this, if anything's sitting down made me more radically right. So I will tell you this, like, I've had my heart broken at change my minds. One that really sticks out as affirmative action is racist, changed my mind at UT. And there was a girl who sat down. I believe she was Ethiopian. And she said, well, I wouldn't be here at UT if not for affirmative action.

And I asked a few follow-ups. I said, well, like, what were your SAT score, something like that, GPAX? They were stellar. And I said, well, that's really sad to me. I said, because you need to know, you absolutely deserve to be here. The fact that you're black, that has nothing to do with it. And if you think that's why you're here, that must be terrible to, do you doubt as to whether you'd be here if you were a white person?

And she kind of, you could see on her face, she was living. in a life dominated by doubt. And it's one thing to read about that on a page, the prejudice of soft expectations. It's another thing to see someone who's lived their life that way because there's no way to truly develop self-esteem outside of getting really good at something or accomplishing something.

If there's a way I don't know about it. And so I've had my heart broken where I go, wow, the people who've actually instated these policies, they know better. They know that this is what's going on, but they don't care anyway. So that's where, so if anything, it's made me more radical.

I can't really think of any that have viewed more well. Brought stronger rhetoric, like better facts, maybe knew something that you didn't know a more recent study. Oh, sure, yeah. People who brought forth information, sure. But, you know, new information doesn't on the spot change your worldview or fundamental principles. So if someone brings forth some new information like, well, in this case, this social program worked really well in Denmark. You're like, well, congratulations.

It's entirely white and about the size of Rhode Island. We can make social programs work there too. We're talking about a country or 300-something million people. So there can be some new information. It's pretty rare. Thanks to people like laying the brain, I've always done preparation because I think it's a disservice to just go and talk without being prepared. Yeah, they'll present some things definitely to think about, but I don't know that anyone has ever actually convinced me to take a more left position. Can I say this one real quick?

Could you be careful about tapping the, because I think it'll be picked up by the mic? I'm sorry. Yes. I was actually tapping morse. This is like a... This will be the behind the scenes. I'm morseing. security.

This guy has better hair than me. So what is something that the left is fundamentally right about that the right does not want to acknowledge? Nothing. It's got to be something. Yeah. But the problem is when you say something like that, you completely alienate all of these people that are like left leaning center that are just going to say, oh, like, what are the chances

that, let's say, half of an educated American population are completely diluted? Like, what are the chances? I just think, logically speaking, if we're split and there's a hundred something million people that believe one thing, a hundred something million people that believe the other thing, and there's educated people on both sides that there must be merit to it. Like, you can't be the person that's just right on everything. I'm not saying I'm the person who's right on everything. I've made like a ton of mistakes. Probably right now. I mean, you know, I was slapping my hand down like that was the snow plower in home alone.

You know what I mean? Like, that was a mistake. But let me ask you this. Flip side of that. How do you have an entire political party? There's not one member of the DNC, not one national member of the DNC, Democratic Party,

who will say that there should be any limitations on a nine-month baby in the womb as a baby. Is there validity to that? But that is the DNC, and they need to work together. And that's different from people that can just be the average everyday voter that's left-leaning center.

Like, they don't need to subscribe to so much. Because you can say the DNC, they have money funneled into them. There's other situations. situations at play. Yeah, I see the question. I thought you meant from a worldview, the prison of leftism. I don't mean DNC, R&C. I mean leftism. As far as the left world, you're nothing. They're right about nothing. Now, as far as presenting something exclusive about which they've provided insight, the answer is still nothing. If it's identifying a similar problem that the right identify, see, I'm doing it again. See, there's some stay. It's really easy. I screwed up. I tap the table. It's really easy to say, well, yeah, we find common ground. Like, for example, the left says public education is broken. Okay, but so do we. The left says, we need a government that works better for the people. Well, so do we. The left recognizes that there's growing wealth disparity. Well, so do people on the right. And by the way, I don't shy from this. Like, I think there's a case for tribalism. And I don't

mean Republican. There are plenty of Republicans who are useless. But I am conservative. I am right leaning and I have been since I was 12 years old since I've observed the left everywhere that I've been. So we can identify the same problems. But as it relates to the solution, I am literally going to disagree with the left on everything. There's no solution to wealth inequality from the left outside of take from someone to give to someone else. There's no solution from the left on education aside from throw more money into a system that's broken. There's no solution from the left as it deals with Second Amendment rights, First Amendment rights, that actually would be something I could agree with. So when people say this stuff now,

they go, man, they just want us left versus right so we don't focus on the elites, man. I go, Well, hold on a second. There are Jews, for example. That's a really popular topic right now. Like the Jews, right, tied your shoes together and you're going to trip when you fall, getting off the chair. I probably disagree with American Jews on most things, certainly, theologically, but not everything. I probably disagree with most black American voters on a lot, but not everything. I probably disagree with a lot of billionaires or millionaires on a good amount of, if we're categorizing them this way.

I am going to disagree with the left's proposed solution in this country on everything. And I just think that clarity for me is important. I don't shy away from it. I still will sit down and have these conversations, but I'm the guy who does. But what good ideas coming from the left? Really? Like, what good ideas coming from the left today? What are the good ideas coming from the right?

Closing the borders, deporting illegal aliens who are here, allowing people to keep more of what they've earned, allowing school choice, just a really easy one, attaching the voucher to the student, as opposed to putting it directly in a school. Now, there's actually an interesting kind of maybe answer to your question, where I was raised in Canada, in Quebec, which is a socialist. It's not political, the idea of school choice. So I went to a school, a high school that in the United States, I would not be able to go to. Because if you're willing to drive, get on a bus, you can choose your school.

It was very new to me when I came to the United States. Go, wait a second. I have to go to one school based on a zip code, and it's politicized here. So, for example, in the UK, I think, most of Europe suppressors, silencers, are not a political issue if you're a hunter. It's considered noise pollution. It's considered polite to use a suppressor. But here, everyone thinks that it's going to be, you know, Mr. Corleone says, hello, poofoo in the middle of the night. Or you're going to come with a piano wire. No, so there are issues that are not political

that have been politicized here that maybe aren't right left. I can't think of anything valid from the left as far as the right. I mean, all of those, immigration, school, taxes, second amendment, first amendment. What do you think the right could be improving on then? I mean, the right could always improve on the messaging. Like, that's the reason I'm here. But what about from a policy perspective? Because the messaging, I feel like is also sort of like you're kind of pushing off the actual answer to the question. Because like that's, it's saying that there's nothing like inherently wrong or fundamentally wrong or from a theory perspective incorrect.

The Republican Party, the administration or the right wing worldview. Because I just don't, I don't find any flaw with a right wing worldview. I just don't. I think it's the right one. I mean, nothing is perfect, right? but that's kind of built into a right-wing worldview. In other words, as a Christian, I believe that human beings are inherently sinful and selfish

if left to our own devices. That's why we need a God greater than us to redeem us. And I don't believe there can be any redemption outside of Christ. Don't say that to offend anybody. That's what all Christians primarily believe. So in order to mitigate that, I don't want to centralize that power, assuming that a small subset are going to be inherently virtuous,

like those in government. The only way that a large centralized government can work is if you believe people are so bad, if left to their own devices, that these people, these sort of priests, they can get it right and they'll be beyond corruption. So as far as a worldview, the sinful nature, the flawed nature, the selfish nature of human beings is built into a free enterprise system where that damage is mitigated, which is why I'm just right leaning. So let's distill it down to this then. if it's the theory of the left and not the policy prescriptions being proposed by them, but let's just say more liberal theory,

what is the strongest belief of liberal theory? Marxism. That is the most valid... Reviewing everything. If you want to understand the left, and I've talked about this, and we right away got into politics, I know we're going to discuss some other things, but I'm happy to do this,

is... Okay, pick any issue. right? I'm sure we've all seen this. Like, queers for Palestine. It's funny, right? Because if those queers went to Palestine, it would be men for a week. It's silly. How do you have a Palestinian flag next to a rainbow flag, Rishiyat-flip? It makes no sense. It does make sense when you understand Marxism. They view every single individual issue through the lens of oppressor, oppressed. And oppressor is just the byproduct of success, of whatever gains you've made. That's why, if you're

wealthy you're bad. If you're a white male, you're bad. So in this country, trans-oppressed. LGBTQ oppressed. In the Israeli conflict with Palestine, well, they're less successful, so they're oppressed. Remember the Stop Asian hate campaign that went away really quickly when we found out who was committing the actual hate crimes against Asians? Black Americans, doesn't mean all black Americans, just as far as interracial crime statistics. They discard useful minorities if it doesn't help them perpetuate that narrative. Pick any topic. And I'll show you. You You want to understand it? Look at it through the lens of who's the oppressor, who's the oppressed.

That's how they see everything. And I don't hate someone for being more successful than me. I don't hate someone for being part of a larger majority group than myself. That's the fundamental difference, as we view individuals and character and systems, and they view oppressor oppressed. So who is the most reasonable person on the left then? So back in the day, it would have been people like Alan Combs, you know, at Fox News. I used to do a show on Fridays.

Today, it'd be pretty tough. It's pretty tough where you have people have to follow lockstep with transitioning kids and taking them away from parents if it's not affirmed. Like, I think that's absolute insanity. And I think it's insane, by the way, when an owner gives me their email address and it ends in at gmail.com. Like you put all this work into a business. At least just go and get a business email.

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But he's more reasonable. He's parted ways with the left and he'll actually sit down and have a conversation and concede some good points. So there are people like him out there. There really aren't many, though. There aren't many. People who identify as moderate, sure. Who would you say it's harder to debate someone extremely intelligent or someone extremely stupid?

No, I definitely say someone supremely intelligent as far as, and I'm no skilled debater by them. Like I said, this is rhetoric. I wasn't trained up in it. There are people out there who are far better than me in debate. People like Ben Shapiro, people like Andrew Wilson. I'm really kind of sitting down and having a conversation. And you can see that I believe what I believe passionately, so I'm willing to defend the position. People who are really stupid, do any of you do any sports or like any combat?

sports. Mm-mm. So you don't get hurt, like in, let's say, judo or wrestling or you don't get hurt rolling with a black belt or a pro. You get hurt rolling with someone who's new. Because at a certain point, you're going, okay, we're trying to mimic competition, combat, but we want to come back and train tomorrow, whereas the white belt just comes in in and, like, just grabs your leg and reefs it.

You know what I mean? It wouldn't win a fight, but it can hurt you. So you can't train the next day. So often new people can kind of be spazy and they'll just throw something at you, like, yeah, but what about Jewish space? lasers. You're like, I, I wasn't ready for that because it's imaginary. So that can throw you for a loop. But again, I think most people kind of see it for what it is. Who's been your toughest debate? Oh, all of them. Is there one that stands out? I mean, this right now, because there's two of you,

and it's kind of a little bit, a little bit of a girl. I feel honored. No, no, I'm joking. I am, you know, one thing for me is, is I always get very nervous before any type of sit down. So I've had like UFC heavyweight champions on. I had Thomas Solon, who was, you know, like for me, a hero. And as far as an economist, Brian Shaw, the world's strongest man like four times. So I've had people on the show who are excellent. And I've asked them a question that often stumps them. And it's one that I really want the answer to. I've said, what are the harder losses to handle where you made a mistake? You zagged when you should have zigged or you went right when you should have gone left. Does that eat at you more than you did everything right? You put in all the

work. You slept right. You ate right. You know, you did debate prep correctly. And you still came up short. The opponent was better than you anyway. And they always take a little while to answer. But I'd say probably like seven out of ten times they go, now the one where I made a mistake. Because I can kind of accept that I gave it my all and someone else was better because maybe they were just better that day. So I would say really the most difficult ones are ones where I go back and maybe I was really tired or stressed or there was like a security issue

so my brain was somewhere else. One time when I was doing it, I changed my mind in Austin. Alex Jones showed up in an armored vehicle and yelled at the top of his lungs, Stephen Crowder, me! So it wasn't so much a debate, but that was like, well, we're done here.

This is no longer going to be a sit-down with anybody. That's how we became friends, actually. And I think probably one thing that I have going for me is I speak to everyone pretty similarly. And I just said, Alex, I mean, I'm sure you can edit. I said, Alex, what the fuck? He goes, what? I said, we have this permit and we're there and he just yelled at the top of your lungs that I

do what's he's like, I just thought it would be funny. I'm like, okay, but now we can't do what we came here to do. He's like, oh, I'm sorry. I just thought it'd be funny. And, you know, I will have you on the show and talk about it. And we became friends after, and I disagree with him on probably 80%. Again, assuming someone's acting in good faith, if you sit down and talk with people, you would be amazed at what you can accomplish.

And I think it's really important because there are people with whom you can't reason. There are people where it doesn't matter and they wouldn't lift a finger to help you if you were on fire. And you can only know who those people are if you really have exhausted every opportunity, every possibility. I'd have to think about who's been the toughest debate. Who's been the most intelligent person you've debated?

People aren't going to like this answer. Nick Fuentes. Really? Yeah, Nick Fuentes is a sharp kid. He's a sharp kid and the reason why I also said that because he came on a second time too. First time people thought was too friendly. But I also understand where he's coming from. You have to understand this was a kid.

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But if you separate some of the rhetoric, if you separate some of the one-liners, the clips from what he communicates, it's actually far more coherent. and a lot of people sort of on the Marxist dissident right right now. But I always make sure to never sandbag people. So I made sure my producer told him, like, look, this is not going to be an unfair debate. Stephen is going to play your clips, the most clipped moments so that you can address them and you can see where you actually disagree. And then he's going to ask you about a path going forward. He said, okay, we did it.

And he was respectful. It was fair. And the next time he came on, it was a little more free flow and it got pretty heated. I think there's a reason, and it's not just because of his views on Israel, it's not just because of, you know, whatever, the Groeper War, things like that. I think he can catch people flat-footed because he's very good at arguing his position. Whether you think it's a terrible position or not, anyone who dismisses him and just says, wow, he's an idiot, that's someone who doesn't want that match up. How much of that, those just technical skills and that you're really

good on your facts versus just being really persuasive? It seems like some people just, they're wrong, but they have really good speaking skills. That's true. You can make up for it. Like, there are a lot of people who will sound great. And then you're sitting like, wow, he didn't say anything, you know. Both are relevant. I wouldn't say with Nick, he's a funny guy.

It's disarming. But he also has very good recall. And he's able to, he's also been in the thick of it. I mean, since he was 18, this kid was boxed out from, you know, conservative ink or big con, whatever you want to call it. And you could say rightfully so. but, I mean, I invited on my show, for example, I've had Ben Shapiro on the show about like a dozen times.

And at one point I said, hey, Ben, Tucker, Candice, Levin, Nick, anyone. I'll host a debate between you or I'll have a conversation with you. Nick answered the call and I respect people who do show up. That doesn't mean you're going to debate every single person with, you know, a random Twitter avatar from Bangladesh, but he's willing to stand in the pocket and defend it. And for that, I respect him. And I would say he is tough. I would say that he's clever.

And outside of that, that's one that really sticks out to me. He's done a good job lately. Like I saw that he went on Andrew Callahan's show Channel 5 with Hunter Biden. So I thought that was interesting. It seems like he says yes to virtually everything. And he does a great job disarming people with comedy. So he's a funny, an interesting case to observe. Well, what people will say about him and I ask him about this is they say there's

podcast, Nick, and then there's real nice. right on his show. So he'll go on someone else's show and he'll be far more amenable to a reasonable point of view. And then he goes on his show and he's more radical. Well, I asked him about that.

And I said, well, you're saying this now, but, and I read him as quotes about Stalin. I said, are you going to go back on your show and switch? He goes, no, no, no. And he explained the context. And as far as I've seen, he's been consistent and he's been fair about it.

So if you were to ask me who's someone who I think will give anyone a tough day out, definitely someone like him. If you could have one debate happen? Who would you want to debate? I don't know. That's a tough one. Two other people, because I would say if it was me, they asked me to debate Candace Owens at this debate con thing. They said, we'll pay you $30,000. I said, okay, sure. They said she said no. And I said, well, she can have mine. And then she still said no. So that's one that I'm not going to chase her

around and like my friend Andrew raised $300,000 because I've done enough of these. But that would be one that I think is interesting. Outside of that, I don't know. It would be interesting just to see Tucker and Ben just because they've kind of been two dogs staring each other through the fence and Ben says he wants to do it. I think he's genuine in that. And here's a thing. For me, and I don't, this is unfair toward Tucker. And I don't want to be divisive here because I know people line up on one side or the other. But Tucker has no problem insulting and calling out Ben. Now, I have a rule. If I insult or call you out, even if you're like an only fan's chick and you say, hey, that's not fair. And you ask to be in the, I'll host you. because I'm the one who drew first blood, even if it was meant to be funny. To me, if you're going to snip, you're going to chirp at somebody,

will you also have to make that walk and answer the call? Seems from what we know, Ben has said yes, whether you agree with them or not, and Tucker has declined. So that's one that I would probably like to see if only because I think it might provide some clarity, and I don't agree with either one of them on everything. I disagree with both of them probably in a substantial amount, but, you know, I do have respect for them. What's interesting is that Tucker came from Fox and you used to work for Fox.

What was that contract like when you work there? You were actually the youngest paid contributor at Fox, right, at 21 years old? Yeah. It sucked. I mean, they were very nice to me, to be fair, but I was there for like four and a half years. You know, like when people, there's that whole like, are we there yet? Well, there was no there yet. So early on, like if you look at the early YouTube videos I did, the first ones I did were 2006.

My brother was actually one of the first, I think, 100 YouTube partners. And then the political videos that I did were just sort of taking stand-up videos. The first one with a blue bed sheet in the background was Crazy Pizza Barn, where I just read from Planned Parenthood because they read like bad-used car sales. I'm offering quality, that affordable prices. And that got like 20,000 plays. And I manually added the first 10,000 subscribers that I had because you could message them back then. There were no conservatives, but there were some channels.

So I thought, hey, you like this channel. You might like my video on the Second Amendment doing an impression of Michael Moore. They brought me on at that point because it was very novel. There were no conservative sort of on YouTube. They didn't know what they wanted to do with me. They just knew that they didn't want anyone else to have me.

So really what the contract was, was I couldn't appear anywhere else. I think what happened was they brought me on. There was a show called Red Eye, and then they brought me on Fox and Friends, and it was for a debate. And it should have been a layup for them. And I just kind of gave him a tough time.

so they started feeding me more debates where I actually had a debate on Fox and Friends every Sunday for a while and Tucker would often host that with Alicia Menendez Bob Menendez's daughter you know the senator who's been like

stashing gold and I don't know where he is now probably in an orange jumpsuit and then at a certain point they told her like yeah you probably shouldn't do these debates anymore she like worked for a non-profit they told her to stop so I was there doing that for a while but I kind of knew there wasn't really a future like they would ask me to put on a jacket

or a polo like ah could you just like be a little less rough around the edges, you know, kind of asked me to not be me. And that was a really tough, I will tell you, I had this, it's funny enough, I had this framed for a very long time in my office until my friend said, you shouldn't have this and got rid of it. But it was a daily beast article

when I left Fox News, the unmaking of a conservative pundit, I was like 24, 25, and it was basically my professional obituary about how everything is done and this rising star and it's over. And it was after that, And after I had a radio deal fall through where I just said, you know what, I'm never going to be beholden to anyone else for a check again. And when loser draw, I'm going to go do this by myself. So I'm very thankful to Fox News and there were a lot of people there who were great.

The contract is exclusivity where they just don't want certain people to appear somewhere else, which makes sense. They don't often know how to develop it. I mean, I'll give you this one thing. At one point, they were working with me to do a, like, kind of a comedy show, but it was not very funny. and there was a producer, an older guy. And I'm talking, he was like 85, but I had like three-year-olds, like Old Testament Abraham type. I don't even know how that happens. And he had an idea of a monkey on roller skates. Like when the screen test stuff wasn't work, he's like,

you know it'll be great. We'd have like a monkey. I actually think that would be good. People would watch it. You think so until you have to go through the logistics and the monkey's going to be everywhere. She's like, well, let's have a diaper. Yeah, that's the tension.

Oh, the diaper. Oh, my gosh. I like that even more. Maybe I was too much of a Puritan where I wanted to actually have to actually have content, but I was like, okay, this probably isn't going to, probably isn't going to work going forward. Yeah. Actually, I will say in this setup, I mean, you have plenty of space.

This is like Tim. We could just have it going on the entire. Yeah, we could set up a half pipe. Yeah, just be like going back and forth the whole time. You could teach it to like pick pocket. Hey, have some ice coffee. That would be good. They just till their gold bars.

Yeah. One has a gold sponsorship now. So could Fox then tell you what to say and what not to say? Was that they allowed you to speak freely and whatever you want to. Well, okay. There were two parts to your question there. Tell me what to say, never. Tell me that this may not be something good to talk about.

Yeah. What were those things? Criticisms, I will say, maybe of certain people. Like, during Barack Obama that second election against Mitt Romney, I mean, I made fun of him a lot. And I've made fun of Donald Trump a lot. I've made fun of everybody a lot. But they didn't like it. And at that point, I think it got down the choice with like him, Gingrich and Santorum.

And I think at that point, I said, you know what, if I have to choose, I guess I'd choose Santorum because I think he'd probably do better in the Rust Belt, and Mitt Romney. He's seen as less elitist. They didn't like that. And then there was one where I won't give you the name, but someone at Fox News was a producer and would produce themselves on-air segments. And they would take things that I had done like on my YouTube channel and then produce it on air. And I knew it when there was a segment where this host presented it as though they had gone to Detroit. And some of the footage was the old Packard plant. And I knew that the area on camera was my footage, because that area was that area was.

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Do you guys remember a journal list when Andrew Breitpard was around? This was the first sort of smoking of media bias as an example. And I'm going by Rote here, so please forgive me if I don't get it all correct. But it was basically a closed circuit email list with the Obama administration directly going to journalists. And I remember there were people in Washington Post. I distinctly remember Dave Weigel was in there where it was leaked that they would give them talking points and then you'd see these people in the media all issue the same talking

points. Andrew Breitbart has sort of highlighted that. So ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, they're kind of all one and the same. Fox News was the one exception. Now, I was raised in Canada, or we didn't have Fox News. We didn't even have AM radio. I was lucky if on a good day I could pirate a station on my radio from Plattsburgh, New York, if I drove close enough to the border to hear like Rush Limbaugh or something like that. So I wasn't really starstruck when I went into Fox News. But I always thought it was funny. I'm like, well, you guys have everything not named Fox News, and you complain about Fox News. I'm like, you guys have the entire entertainment industry and media. And basically, Rush Limbaugh sort of revived this dead medium AM radio.

And then all of a sudden, you guys want to have equal time on AM radio. And they tried it with, was it Radio America or Air America? And it sucked. No one listened to it. So I noticed there was a real stranglehold on media. And then that happened. I watched. This was very important for me.

So Andrew Breitbart was very formative for me. Before that, I was just an actor. and a comic. I started acting when I was 12 in Canada and started doing stand-up when I was a teenager. And I heard Andrew Breitbart on the Dennis Miller show. And this is when I would listen online. Remember back then before YouTube or like for Spotify or Pandora, you'd like go to a website, you'd open a flash player. You're like, yeah, geocities.combeian angel fire. And he was talking about this thing, Big Hollywood. And I just tried to find him and looked them up. And he spoke with me for like 45 minutes. like I was a senator.

And he just started posting my videos. If you go back and watch the original videos in 2008, you'll see like at the end it says big hollywood.brightbart.com just as a thank you to him. And hot air, that was Michelle Malkins thing. And they didn't get along that well, but they never put me in the middle of it,

which I'm very appreciative of, and I'd like us to go back to. Disagreements are good, character assassination isn't. But I watched Andrew Breitbart. He was the bell of the ball with the acorn scandal, right? James O'Keefe, Hannah Giles. And then what happened is he got screwed by I believe it was Shirley Sherrod. She was the Department of Agriculture, Interior, something like that.

And he ran on his website, this clip of her speaking at the NAACP. And she said, you know, and then I realized that the white farmer wanted help, and I did not help him as much in the audience cheers. Andrew Breitbart posted this clip, but right underneath it, he writes, now later on in this video with the time code, she goes on to explain that she realized it wasn't. about white versus black, but it was about class. So her humanity got the better of her. But the NAACP audience cheering the racist act didn't know that, right at that point. So he contextually was appropriate. Bill O'Reilly, I think Glenn Beck and some hosts ran it. They just ran her saying, I did not help the white farmer. They go, despicable. And so she got fired. And they blamed Andrew.

And then when it came out that she later on said, and of course I realized that that was wrong, they go, I can't, Andrew, this is the kind of gotcha journalism we don't want, and he was persona non grata, but he didn't make the mistake. It was editors on the shows who didn't want to take accountability. So he wasn't allowed back for a long time. And I watched that. And I watched it slowly eed away at him. And then the Anthony Wiener scandal happened where he was, you know, other women who were not his wife. They may or I don't know if they were underage, but they were young. And Andrew Breitbart got this story. And everyone was just saying, well, you know, you. you can't trust that it's Andrew Breitbart. This is a fake scandal. There was a press conference. Anthony Wiener was hosting at a hotel in D.C. He's there at the podium and he's about to go out and say, and these awful smears designed to destroy my family, we will pursue them. It's all false. And Andrew Breitbart was there. And people will tell you, they said, Andrew Breitbart's in the building, yelled it out and he took that podium. And he said, I have the pictures here. But for the sake of his family, I don't want to reveal them publicly. And I want you to apologize. I want you to clear my name.

because you said that I lied about this. And Anthony Wiener has to take the stage after that. Oh, wow. Tear up his speech. I'm sorry. It's true. He was ready to destroy that man's life. Now, that doesn't just happen because Anthony Wiener is some charmer.

It happens because he knows that every single network will carry that water and destroy that man's life. And if he didn't have the receipts, they still would have believed Anthony Wiener. And that's, wow, one man against the entire system. So that's how they control it. Because if Anthony Wiener says, it's a lie, they all said, it's a lie. Andrew Breitbart's a liar. They didn't ask him.

They didn't reach out to Andrew. So I saw that firsthand. And so I always say, like, as far as a conspiracy, a good litmus test, because now conspiracies are all the rage, right? Some of them are true. I think especially since COVID, a lot of people feel shell-shocked. Some of them aren't. A good test is how many people have to be involved for this to work.

So, like, you know, Area 51, the janitor who's keeping the truck. trash underground, right? Like, it's too many people to not talk. When you talk about big tech censorship or media, it's really just a conference call of 10 people. Like Alex Jones, agree, disagree, love them, hate him. It just needed to be a call between about six people to say, yeah, we're going to de-platform them, and it all happened within 24 hours. That's not a conspiracy. That's a business decision that makes sense for people to preserve a narrative. That's how. So who do you think is at the top of it all that? Like, who are the people that are calling the shots? Well, I don't think there's one person at the top.

I think it's this unholy amalgamate, this unholy sort of giant transformer of DNC, leftist worldview, people in the Beltway in New York, NDC, and those in media. I mean, I've been there. That's also why I don't go to even like CPAC or places like that. They're all having cocktail parties. And at a certain point, like, no, no cocktails. I have plenty of friends. I'm fine having a few enemies.

They're all in the same room. They're all going to the same parties. You can see it with your own eyes. And when they all share the same worldview, it's a blind spot. So I don't know if they were all like, well, absolutely, Andrew Breitbart must be lying to the point that we're not going to even make a phone call and ask for a receipt. Or if they all just said, hey, Wieners are a guy. Or if they all just said, you know, Barack Obama, sure, Barack Obama, people are saying that he, you know, did with a convicted domestic bill airs. And he's written about it in his own book.

But we're just going to ignore it. Do they believe that it's a myth or do they not pursue the truth? I don't know. but they all move as a flock. Who in media do you think espouses beliefs that they do not even believe? I don't know. I try to stay out of the business of a scribing motive.

I always say, again, from a viewership perspective, from a viewer, their perspective, if someone is very, very inconsistent where it seems like their foundational principles have shifted and they go back and forth, and they don't have a flash of genius moment. Like, a good example is Mitt Romney. when he was running for president.

He was a pro-boy guy, even though he was a Republican, his whole life. And then when he ran for president, he's like, no, I'm pro-life now. Okay. Why? Because I've actually with it changed my mind. I had someone come on the show later on who changed, when I said, you're going to meet your son in heaven one day. And she became a pro-life activist.

But she didn't know beforehand. Mitt Romney just said, you know, I just thought about it. It's like, well, you were already Mormon. You were already allegedly a man of faith, right? So you already knew these things. You already were supposed to have a foundational belief as to where life begins. Whether someone agrees with it or not,

this should be dictated to him by his self-professed faith, and it did in his whole life. He didn't have a good reason. That seems like it's political expediency. So if someone switches, and it's a legal term, flash of genius, right? There's a moment we find out

when great inventions are created that it can usually be traced to a moment and it's actually used as a standard often in court. Somebody just goes, ah, I was a liberal, but now I'm a conservative. No, I'm a black pillar. It's like, the only thing consistent is pursuing clicks.

And you see that a lot. Are some political opinions more profitable to have? Oh, yeah. What's the most profitable and what's the least profitable? Well, it's changed quite a bit. So when I got into it, again, coming in as an actor and a stand-up, doing stuff on YouTube, it was only a cost. I lost my manager. I lost my agent.

I was banned from colleges. I had dates that were rescinded, all of this. this is before I was even really known, that's different now because media has sort of fractured, right? So both can be profitable. Once upon a time, you could only exist in the media landscape, the legacy media landscape, if you leaned left, or if you were a permissible sort of token right person, right, who would sit down at a panel and, you know, they'd beat your ass a little bit and then say, hey, weren't we balanced? Now there's a way to pursue any type of niche, you know, like whether it's mumblecore rap, I mean, it's profitable to have.

like a crazy conspiracy theory podcast for the same reason it's more profitable now to have a mixed martial arts podcast. But there's certain money within different sectors like funnel money probably for propaganda reasons to, you know, push out some sort of a narrative. Like are there certain beliefs that you think are there's a lot of money and that are profitable to have because Graham is trying to figure out what beliefs he should take on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to know what this is. After this he's going to introduce. Oh, I don't know of China. So much.

Oh, so good of China. So much China better than in the United States, a red book. Do not edit that out. I don't care if YouTube says it's not friendly. There is obviously foreign influence. And by the way, that's true for all governments. It's true for Israel. There's validity there.

It's certainly true for Qatar, for China, if you run the numbers. Are they literally the country's sending money to people? So I heard, and this is a conspiracy on Twitter, or X, that China is giving us this propaganda about AI data centers and how AI is bad and how AI is horrible for the environment and this and that, just for them to be able to get a leg up on AI. Yeah. I don't know if that's a thing, but if it is, how are they getting it out there?

Is it through like shorts? Is it like eating a narrative to someone? Well, China, I mean, TikTok was a big thing. So I've been banned from TikTok for a long time. Now, to be fair, we did have a segment called TikTok, please ban me. where I would just take 30 seconds per show. You know, no, Xi Jinping has a small piece. Did you know?

And there's just be a bunch of facts. They didn't ban me when I did that because they knew there were too many eyeballs on it. They banned me in the dead of night once I got bored of the segment. But absolutely, they're willing to fund propaganda. I mean, if you think that Iran, Russia, China, Israel, if you think that they're not picking sides or fights in these global affairs, I mean, you're silly. With China, the data center thing.

So I know that that's true, not just because whatever the, I think was the or if it was the DOJ who said they found a big bot ring. I know it because I've followed direct CCP accounts on X that have said data centers are so bad for the environment while they build data centers at record speed over there, right? So I can see that with my own eyes. Now that is not to say, and here's a problem, the messaging problem, is if you say this is all propaganda, well, that doesn't take into account the person who lives in a neighborhood where maybe a data center has been a serious problem or a blight for them.

So you can't dismiss everyone as a tool of propaganda. And in some cases, they may have been convinced by the propaganda and not know it. But yeah, we certainly see a lot of that. I mean, you saw that with the pro-Russia propaganda at one point. Like, look, they have great grocery stores. Look at the subway. You know, it's like the interview where it's a fake town. It's not a real subway.

Did Tucker Carlson to like shill for the grocery stores? I have no idea. I know that he didn't include the average income of a Russian and what they wouldn't be able to afford. It's like, hey, look, this loaf of bread is 30% less. and their salary is 98% less, you know? To me, it's really weird when you see people like propping up something that we know is false. I mean, you see it from the left, too, with like the communist Cuban government. We just saw that.

So, yeah, there is an incentive. I will say this. I'm kind of insulated from it. And by that, I mean, early on, I was like, okay, the stuff that I'm saying is probably going to get me banned or, you know, demonetize wasn't a term at that point. Sorry, I kind of set the, I was the pace car for the rest of you guys on YouTube. So that's when I created Mug Club a subscription thing where I was like, okay, I don't want to be beholden to YouTube advertising dollars. I was very clear with my audience as I did that. And I never wanted to be beholden to nonprofits.

So I will say this. There are definitely a lot of major non-profits in the United States, both on the left and on the right, where if you go beyond those guardrails, those donors just aren't going to show up. And the truth is, in this industry, you owe. Patrice O'Neill said this. Like, at some point, you owe. And so if someone else is funding it, if someone else is donating it, if it's a non-profit, but it's an investor, it's really a donor, they are going to have some expectations. And that's why I've avoided that. And that's why I'm kind of an island for better or worse.

The same thing, if you're getting a lot of deals directly through some of these big tech companies, you do have to play ball. So that's how the influence is sort of exerted. It's exerted in a soft way where you're just an, you're just an, you're just a You're just not allowed at the cool kids table if you say the thing that you're not allowed to say. And then there's a cottage industry for that where now everyone just goes, see, we're not allowed to say. And it's all about the Jews. And then some people, it's all about Iran.

And neither one is accurate. It's interesting you mentioned you had some dates rescinded because I actually had that happen to me literally two nights ago. I was on hinge. I had matched with someone. And then if you match with someone on hinge, you can add a note to your profile. And so like it says, you've matched with them. But before you start talking to them, you need to read. their note. And their note was like, you know, if you are conservative or this or that, like,

then don't even match with me. I don't even know. I didn't really read it. Anyways, I... Well, maybe that's why you're losing dates. You're like, I was in, she's like, well, he just doesn't listen at all. He doesn't read my profile. I mean, I don't even know what it was about, but it's like, hey, if you have a note like that or just some sort of note in general, included in the profile instead of something that only appears, because if you actually wanted to use it as a filter, right? And use it as a filter. Don't want that. I guarantee you, I guarantee you, if I look like Channing Tatum, she'd be like, I don't care. You know what Probably.

But you're a good looking guy. I didn't mean those dates. I meant performance dates. But what is that? I meant like stand-up dates, tour dates. Yeah, I check. You're just like, oh, man. Romantic games.

Two nights ago. You're like the pand at the zoo that needs to get lucky. But it happens. And it's crazy because like this, literally the girl, she asked, oh, well, what do you for a living? I was like, well, I make YouTube videos. And then she apparently reverse image searched my profile, found it online, went to it. Because I asked like, how did you?

And she's like, oh, yeah, I saw that you did YouTube. you know, your channel is interesting. It's about finance. I was like, well, how did you know that? She explained the whole thing. Okay. And then, so obviously, kudos to her. She did a, she did really well research. That's good. And then after that, she said, you know, what's your opinion on having some people with, you know, conservative opinions on your podcast? And I was like, well, it'd be pretty boring if I only brought on people with one opinion. Right. Like, I'm not the person that's going to determine what the audience should or should. Like, I want to bring on everybody. I think that's interesting. And then she was like, yeah, this is probably

not going to work out. And she's like, for that reason, I'm going to unmatch. Like, no. Was she attractive or no? It would be funny if I said no. But yeah, I mean, she was, she was pretty, but I didn't feel like I had lost anything, you know, like attraction wise. Like, I didn't think, I didn't think it was a huge, but did you tell her how tall you were? Because you're a tall guy. I'm a tall guy, but you tell her that you're wealthy? Tall, drink of water. Because if you said I'm tall and wealthy, that wouldn't care. That's what you may think. but she seemed to be very, you know, stuck in that way, which I thought was interesting.

Granted, is she attractive? She's okay, but she was in Vegas. And Vegas is low. So in Vegas, she was high. So Vegas nine. Vegas, you're saying women are not attractive in Vegas? Yes. Really?

Yes. A lot of them are transient. So you have like... No, I get people in for a weekend. They don't count. They don't count. The attractive women that are in Vegas from my interest, and granted, there are some people that are attractive

that live in. Vegas, but a lot of the attractive ones, they come in, they, you know, stand behind the DJ at four in the morning early on a Sunday. It's like, do I want to go get coffee with them at 9 a.m.? Probably not. You know, I'd rather them go back to their suite, you know, with the DJ. You built this whole situation up in your mind, man. Like, this is very deal. Like, they're going back to your suite with a DJ and here I am with my stupid coffee in the morning. Yeah, you got to have more confidence. But it's got to be tough to date high profile because I went through that. It was very, very brief. And I determined like, oh, man, I don't.

want to date any I don't want to date someone as a super fan because I went on a date with someone great girl just to be clear but you know I'm meeting a stranger and she knew everything about me and I'm like yeah I was one time and telling a story about like the time I had to put my dog down and she said oh yeah with hopper and she knew it oh well there's just one time that she's like oh yeah yeah yeah that and she knows it because you know my life is kind of an open book and I was like well this is weird like you know this is kind of the lead up to the to the kiss good night you know the peck but I don't want the peck because I don't get to have the conversation you know everything about me. And that's the one thing that's weird about fame, um, or perceived fame is we're

going to study this one day. You're in a room and you're seeing faces that are completely new to you. And these people think that you have an intimate relationship with them because they know you. And it causes them to act in a weird way. Like a big thing with security is not just people who hate me and try to, you know that happens a lot. Sometimes you'll get fans who have like no sense of boundaries. I had a guy. I was at a grocery store who, who came up and asked for a picture. First off, he grabbed me, and I almost launched him in the serial aisle.

He, like, grabbed me from behind. He's like, what is wrong with you? He's like, oh, I just grabbed you. You know, I was, okay, yeah, he went to take a picture. And he went take a picture. And he was like, oh, you're back and he was like, oh, you're pecking heat. I'm like, don't grab a man's, are you, are you functionally?

He was like, oh, well, you know, I just thought me funny because I have a, too, he shows it. I'm like, put you, put that that away. Oh, my God. So you'll get these people. It's really weird. Dating, I would imagine, has to be tough, but you're a good looking guy. I think we have a different audience.

Our finance audience is the most like... Our audience is 95% male. So it's not like it's really doing me any favor. But even then, of the men, it's always like entrepreneurs, business owners. What do you mean of the men? Of the 95%. That doesn't matter. I'm just saying, everyone that we've met so far has been...

Men matter too. Men matter. Extremely normal. Like, we've never really had any, like, weird... One guy shook my hand for too long, and that was probably the worst of it. And he used his index finger and kind of rubbed the back of his hand. For me, it's a signal. Yeah, it's a signal that he's a bottom.

But that's unfortunate. You guys are going to compete for that position. For me, what's interesting. Good for you. Look, he came to play. All right. For me, what's interesting is, like, a lot of the times they'll come up, hey, love the podcast, don't want to bother you. That's it.

Which is amazing. Yeah. Like, people are very respectful. I think it might be a little bit different. No, no, I will say my political. Generally, they're very, very good. I will say they've had very limited bad interactions. which I guess,

I don't know if I should say this, but the perception is that I'm a much smaller guy than I am, I think, because people see me at a desk. No, but you're always hunched over at the desk. What? Go ahead. Go right ahead, man. This is your favorite thing to talk about. Getting that, Jack.

Over back at men in the bottom thing. By the way, it's okay. All lifestyles are, you know, look, one time I was with a, so I'm a relatively big guy, and I think the perception is that I'm smaller. And Gerald is huge. And one time I was there and there was a guy, I don't know, it was like a meet and greed or something.

I was sitting down. And someone went like, I stood up, went like, oh, I didn't know, or something to that. I could hear him. And then you'll have to bleep this. And I hate to use the Lord of Invade. It's just so funny. Gerald stood up and I heard the guy go, because he's like 6'5, 260.

And sometimes people have no idea, like, oh, these are real people and how they navigate the real world. And it's just a different perception. It meets reality. And sometimes it makes for it, you have to allow for the fact that it's the first time they're meeting someone, like that guy rubbing the back of your hand, you know. Very gently. He probably, he probably, like, walked through that multiple times.

This is going to be good for me. This is a good move. It's going to pan out well. Yeah. But no, they're generally great in person because usually people who talk crap and stuff. I have had a few negative interactions. The ones you're concerned with are the people who you don't hear from who, you know, who plot. And that's the reason for the security that we have to have.

Which politicians do you think truly do not care about money? Probably myself in the sense that like, I mean, you can ask them. I literally have to have my family members are. friends, they will buy something for me. Because I just, I go, is this going to measurably improve my life? No. Like, I drove an old Ford for a very, very long time. And in my mind, I'm like, I pretty much have all the same stuff in this car that Bill Gates has. Like, okay, I've got, I've got whatever Apple play. I've got cooled, heated seats. Like, the answer is very few things measurably improve your life. As far as politicians, you know, the ones who, the one who's probably

the least able to be bought would be someone like a Donald Trump because he already has financial independence and I think there's some value in that. But that doesn't mean that you can't want more. Like there's some people who have that, but still is like, well, I have a hundred million or a billion. Not wanting to get rich. Yes, but it would seem like he's in a different stage of his life. It was a meaningful sacrifice for him to leave running his businesses to run for office.

That's something unique about it. I feel like he's made more money in office than he has his entire career in business. Now the second term, but remember the first term, they were like, look, he lost $3 billion. Remember that was the big thing they were championing in the media. So yeah, you could argue now, and there's some things that he definitely does. I'm like, well, no, I was stupid selling whatever gold shoes or, you know, whatever. There's a watches. Yeah.

Not a fan of that. But I'm just saying as far as someone who can't be bought and sold, like. But it seems like that's an example, though, of him being bought and sold if he's licensing his image for a watch or like putting his face, which is clearly AI that he's licensed. Or taking a jet from Qatar. It's all bad. What I'm talking about is people who. who allow something to be built or maybe, for example,

allow some kind of a subsidy to lapse for one industry while they provide it to another and you see their portfolio skyrocket. You know, we all know like the Pelosi's of the world or Dan Crenshaw had a few really smart big tech investments. I don't really know of anyone else in this space. A lot of people are driven by that. Would you say AOC is driven by money?

Didn't she recently put out her financial reports and her net worth like has gone down? It was pretty bad. It was pretty bad. That's because she's stupid with money. That doesn't mean that she doesn't care about money. I mean, she lives in a nice... To me, it seems like she doesn't care about money, though.

Not necessarily that she did she report her network. She had like 90K in stocks or something like that? Yeah. It wasn't great, but to me that signals that you just don't. Maybe she doesn't. Maybe she doesn't. She decided that the currency most valuable is attention. That's why she's posting the thirst traps.

Like, I'm doing my HCG shot. Nobody look while I lift up my shirt. Not a big fan, but, you know, the bitties are fine. What? We're not allowed to say that she's got a nice set. Nancy Pelosi. has a nice set. She's like 95. Would you? Would I, would I,

well, no, because I have a lady, but would I objectively say, hey, it makes sense that someone would motorboat Pelosi? Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't begrudge them for it. So how do you, how does Louder with Crowder make money? It's almost, so it's almost entirely

from subscriptions. Okay. From Mug Club. So we have the single highest, like individual subscriber rate of anyone out there. And that's because we launched at election night, 2016. And And then, of course, being demonetized. It was already something people were aware of. And so we saw more signups during COVID.

We did two a days. Now, I will tell you this, I see that going away because now people have subscription fatigue. Yeah. And I get it. Like, everyone now has a go fund me, hit this tip jar. And that's why, you know, we have all these sponsors coming in. And the answer is no for me 95% of the time.

So that's why I created a company, because supplements are some of the biggest sponsorships right in this space. And I play a game with Gerald where he'll go, okay, this new sponsor wants to come in. It's like, mail. Vita test to boost. I go, okay, don't show me the label. I go, don't show me the label. I want you to look at the back. Let me guess. Tribulus. He goes, yep. I go, Fenugreek. Yep. Does that minerals in there? Zinc. Yeah, magnesium. And I know it's the same bull crap that doesn't do anything.

So finally, I just created a comment. We sell two things. We sell multivitamin and we sell creatine because it's the most proven supplement. And that's effectively like a de facto subscription. But it's the best multivitamin on the planet. And when I say that, I mean, objectively, it all has a certificate of analysis. Every ingredient is listed. Every ingredient that would have clinical, like a meaningful effect is used at that clinical dose and people can go and pull a certificate and see that that's exactly what's in there. It's what I've had to take for 15 years. And I'm like, okay, we're going to move away from subscriptions where you're just paying for the content because pirating is making a comeback, but provide some staples that

people are already using. They want something they can trust. That's a big thing is authenticity and trust. It's a supplement company that offers very few things, but the same way we do the show where every claim we make, we make the references publicly available. Because you want to talk about the big scam industries out there. It's not just media, but supplements are a big one, cosmetics are a big one, medicine in general. Like how many ads do you see of like, this was my hair and it's a cue ball? It's like, no, and it's a chia pet, right? You're like, oh, come on.

So that's where we make the vast majority of a revenue. You make more money from that? Not right now, but it will be. We're going to, over time, replace subscribership mug club where the more people who can sign up to just use products that will improve their life, great. Great. But yeah, it's all subscriptions. And then I'd say 10% sponsorships. And that's increased since I started my own company. It's the only other company I've ever created. And it's really a screw you to the supplement industry. That's the only reason for it. How is the supplement business doing?

It's doing really well. How big is your business? How many employees do you have now? But real quick, before we get that answer, if you're watching this. Get out of my seat, dude. What are you doing? If you're watching this, thinking about starting a business of your own, you don't need a whole team of employees because they can be a hassle, Gavin, to get your first sale. Exactly. With Black Friday and the holiday shopping season coming up,

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So it's anywhere from 25 to like 30 something. But then if you include like a supplement like, okay, the distributor, it's probably closer to 40, 50, I don't know. What do you think is the biggest business mistake that you've made? You would talk to mistakes. I am not really a business guy. I know enough to spend less than what comes in. So that's pretty cool.

Do you have a ratio, like how little you spend versus what comes in? Like, 50%, 20. For the longest period of my life, I literally just took what I needed to survive and everything else was invested. Invested into what? I just have, it's really simple. I have a diversified portfolio, kind of like an index fund that doubles every 10 years. What's been your best investment?

That's pretty much the only investment. And then, you know, how stock? Oh, I couldn't even tell you the stock. It's like 13,000 stocks and bonds in there. And it just, you know, it has about a 10% yield. I don't really think. I thought you said it acts like an in. Well, it kind of does.

Yeah, it's just it's a money managed, you know, account. Outside that, I just did some VC stuff for the first time, like, in this last couple of months. And the only reason I did is because the guy who approached me, I really trust. So I just did it on his word. I'm like, look, I don't even know about this industry. If you tell me that you believe it and it's worth trying, I will. Outside of that, I will say reinvesting in the business and seeing where the puck is going. For me, the finances were always a way to.

keep the cause going. And I know that sounds like I'm an ideologue. I'm on a finance podcast, but I created what I do because it didn't exist. Like when I was at Fox News, like, conservatives don't like comedy. I wrote the change my mind. Like, now, people aren't going to sit down and watch that. I said, well, that's what I want. I grew up watching Letterman. I grew up watching Conan, right? I grew up watching comedy. I was like, well, the problem is you get sucker punched in the face every time you tune into something because they're far left. I didn't grow up watching Fox News. I happened to be more right-leaning. And it was so novel, like I said, that early on, I hated they would label like conservative comedian.

It's like, I'm a comic who happens to be really more of an actor at that point. And now it's sort of a cottage industry. As far as mistakes, I'll tell you the one that I definitely made, was early on in paying my employees like far more than I would take as a salary, right? Because this was all bankrolled from my savings account. So I've not taken on any investors, no other nonprofit dollars. It's always been what we generate. So I took nothing and paid employees significantly more.

but I could really, you know, I was really believed in it. And so I expected people wrongfully to be as passionate about it as I was when they were employees. And even though I was making no money, ultimately I'm the one who kind of sees the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. So if I'm up at 3.30, I think it's like a reasonable request, like since you're making a really good salary to be in at 7 as opposed to 9. And so I learned my lesson that way where I was like, oh, no, wait a second.

this buck really stops with you and you can't expect anyone else, even if you give them, you know, profit sharing in the company, which we do. As of recently, are you making more from investing or from your business? The truth is, I would make more if I quit all this tomorrow, did a once a week show and like got back on the road doing shows. I'd make a lot more. But again, the cause matters to me. That's what gets me excited is like, for example, a big thing, election night, 2024.

So before that, we had like the, these, I don't say this to pet myself in the back, but we had the biggest election streams on the planet, 2020, and even the midterms on Rumble outside of YouTube. So for me, I get that dopamine hit where it's like, you know what, let's help create an alternative where there's a real live viewership where YouTube isn't the only game in town. That really inspired me. The night of the election in 2020, remember Arizona where they called it way too early and there was a lot of controversy? And I was like, well, that doesn't make sense.

I remember being live on air with whatever it was, a quarter million people, 400,000 people watching going, that doesn't, that doesn't add up, but I can't do anything about it. Well, then in 2024, we had all the same news wires that they had to actually call states and we had additional specialists so that we could make inferences. And so we were the first place on earth to call, I believe it was Georgia and Michigan by a few hours. And we were within one percentage point. And that to me, I'm like, wow, this was a real changing of the guard. You don't need to tune into your favorite podcaster online, but still have CNN. to call the states.

Yeah. And that's the kind of thing that inspires me where it's okay, what's next? And how do we, one thing I hate too that you see a lot in the entertainment industries,

you'll see people, like Peter Dinklitch, like you'll see him like, he'll play an elf, and then he'll climb that ladder and he'll pull it up behind him. Like, well, I think it's wrong for people to make small people elves.

It's like, well, yeah, but you did that for a very long time. Or like Oprah, who was like, all this smut out there. It's like, you literally had paternity tests. Like you did that. So I'd never want to pull. the ladder up behind me, I want to make sure that we leave some fertile ground for other people

to do it because there's been such a large coalition and so much momentum, which is why this Marxist right thing is so, I would say, disheartening to people. So that's what motivates me, me more. As far as finances, I don't know. It probably, I'd have to check it out. For me, if I know that my family's taken care of, that I'm comfortable, there's like, the only other thing is I would like a plane. So, like, there's nothing else that I want. I don't care about cars, I don't care about watches, clothes. But having had friends who had planes and let me borrow it, airports are my least favorite place on Earth. Man, this would be a force multiplier where I could do more content, more investigative videos, more stand-up. So it's like, none of it

matters unless it's plane money, and I just don't foresee that happening. How much more money do you have to make to buy a plane? A lot. Like, do you think you need what, like 50 million bucks to buy a plane? No, you don't need that. You would probably just need a few million bucks. Yeah, it seems like 10 million to buy a nice plane plus two million a year to run it. Well, no, no, no, but 50 million more. You can do for less than that. Yeah, but how much, but if you make an extra 10 million a year, I mean, there's your plane. Yeah.

I don't think you realize, when I say reinvested into the business, up until several years, I mean, I never once had a seven-figure year. Until when? Call it two or three years. And that's the collective of all my revenue. I just would reinvest it and pay. We have a 401k match. We have health insurance.

Everyone gets paid well. But in my mom. the reason that this happened is because we had a business valuer going through some issues and lawsuits. And it ended up being pivotal in the suit because the business valuer had to determine how much the business was worth. And they know how much I was worth in the business, meaning if I wasn't there, what it would cost to replace me.

And they basically said you wouldn't be able to find anyone to do it. Like literally would cost you $15 million because at that point I was CEO. At that point, I was also doing all of these other jobs. And I was like, huh, it was so bad they thought I was hiding money. like, well, okay, this is your salary on paper, but where you, I'm like, no, no, that's what I take. I think about this is what your next highest paid employee makes. I go, yeah. So that's what's funny is when Bernie says the highest paid employee or CEO at a company shouldn't make more, was it more than five times. That's actually real at my company, but I just don't think it

should be enforced. I think people should be generous. I think people should treat their employees well, because I see that as ministry. I really do. I don't think you need to be siphoned off in a church of 501c3 and toss around the offering plate and look I have a picture of me in Zambia where you know we've given them some chickens who will hatch I think that in your day to day life you can show generosity with employees you can show that hey this is this is commerce but we can do it ethically and I care about you and I had people who did that with me the two most generous people I've ever known in my life funny enough are the two wealthiest people and the least charitable person I ever met was poor the guy who lent me a

plane, right? He's just a guy who just like, I was like, I was like, man, I can't make this because he goes, well, you want to borrow my plane? And there's a long story behind that. I've told I almost literally got into a fist fight with his lawyer on the tarmac and we became friends because I called him. I was like, I almost, I almost kicked your lawyer's ass. He was like, oh yeah, when he gets drunk, he's, he's a, so thanks. We became friends after that. He's like, thanks for calling me. I had, uh, someone who, uh, I was, um, okay, my manager. And I used to kind of live at his house. This is in Queens. And I had, uh, I had, uh, um, and I had, uh, um, I had an A-shirt, remember A-Ser computers, the really cheap ones?

So I got at a Comp USA, and it didn't work. And I went back to Comp USA. I said, hey, like, this doesn't work. They said, well, we don't have anymore. We can't return it? I said, could I just have that gateway? Like, well, that's way more expensive. I said, just give me the floor model.

Can I have that? I said, well, that has a bunch of dead pixels. I said, okay, that's fine. So they gave me a gateway with a bunch of dead pixels. But it was pretty small. Then I was with my manager, and he was buying his daughter a computer for college. And they weren't super well off. And I went with them because during the day,

comic, right? You're either writing or you're just doing whatever. I'll go with you. And he got a Dell. And back then, you'd kind of customize your Dell. And he was like, oh, I think she'll like that. I think this will be really good for her. And he was really happy about it. And he had it like put in a gift box. And I remember when she opened it up, he was so excited. And she said the first thing, oh, well, it's not small and cute like his. And I've got this gateway. with broken pixels, it was a store model, that was all I could afford, the disc drive that we used to have, it didn't even work. And I just remember seeing her dad's face. Like, it's like, you know, when a dog

brings you a bird and then doesn't realize that you're disappointed. I even fake it. I'm like, good for you, get it off me. And I just remember going, wow, it doesn't, it's all, it really does depend on how you were raised and money amplifies character. It provides clarity. So I don't have that classist mindset because I've met people who were incredibly, wealthy who are unbelievably generous. And they didn't have to be. And I've met people who often are left-leaning and espoused socialism and equality who are clutching, wrenching, covetous old sinners. Have you always been frugal? I wouldn't say I'm frugal. Okay. I would say I don't have a lot of value for money personally. Like for me, it's about experience. So if I go out to dinner, it's great.

I want to cover that. You know, when I grew up, I wasn't able to see a lot of my family. I was raised in Montreal. My family was in the United States. And I had relatives who I saw maybe once every four or five years because, you know, a plane ticket was expensive. Yeah. I had a few markers. Whenever I can get my family in and basically there's no geographic period, that's a big win. My first big win was if I never have to set foot in a Greyhound bus station again, then I'll have partially made it? Because I don't know if you've spent, neither one of you have ever spent time in a Greyhound bus station, have you? I have actually, yeah. Then you know, it's not a safe place to be. It was for me. I went to Canada and there's a great greyhound.

Okay. All right. Everyone was so friendly. Maybe in Canada. I'm talking Cleveland. No. I'm talking Detroit, Pittsburgh, Columbus on an overnight where I had a system to make sure that I didn't, you know, get physically a but when I said, all right, if I never have to do a greyhound bus again, meaning I can afford a flight, that was a big thing for me. When I was able to, you know, fly family in or help that, that was a big thing for me. So frugal in a sense that this shirt's not very expensive, this watches it, but it keeps time just as well. But I've also paid inordinate sums of money, for example, on health care for my dog because I'm able to, you know,

I'm able to take them to an oncologist. So, or able to help employees, where I had employees who were like, I don't know if I'm able to do this because I need to move. Well, how much would it take for you to stay? So I think it's a difference between frugal and just, you know, not being wasteful. And I really, it's full. because I'm truly a free enterpriser,

but I really do hate the consumerist culture. So if there are people out there who are conservative, but they're conservative because they think that they're going to find happiness and things, or fame, it's just not. It really is not the case. And ask yourself, before you ever make a major purchase, hey, is this going to measurably improve your life? In the answer to most things is no.

And so if it's no, to me, it's superfluous. And I focus on what matters. Well, what else improves your life that money can buy? Health. You know, access to better doctors, you know, or whether it's some people, trainers, treatments like being able to go to Mayo and have the surgery that I had because the best person in the world was able to do it there. That was really helpful, you know, to actually have my heart beat a full stroke for the

first time in my life was a big deal. So it is a tool. It's a valuable tool. But in this sort of, you know, Bugatti called. and influencer culture where most of it is fake, that is truly meaningless. It truly is. And I see a lot of young people pursuing that. And yes, I'm a free enterpriser, but I'm a Christian before that. And it's like, do not try and find your happiness or your worth in these earthly things because it all goes away.

How much money is there in politics? Like we've seen some $400 million deals with Rush Limbaugh. Do you think anyone today could get paid $500 million? I don't know if it's possible for the same reason like top 40 isn't what it used to be. Like you're not going to have a Johnny Carson number as far as, you know, basically what's modern day Super Bowl is closer to what Johnny Carson would get every night because there were three networks.

But you can find people who can do really well. I mean, it's also a matter of scale, right? I mean, look at how successful you guys are and the budget that goes into this and how much. Oh, this is not a budget. Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. This is Jack and I staying at the embassy suites.

Well, that was the most expensive thing about this entire filming thing. Well, maybe the flights. The flights. Well, it beats Super 8 with bulletproof glass as you check in. But. Oh, we've stayed there too. Have you? Yeah.

Tell the roaches I say, hi. I had that in Schoenberg, Illinois. Yeah, so I will say that probably not, just because media is more fractured. Who do you think is the most valuable? I don't know. I don't. I mean, probably the person who did, probably Joe Rogan. You know, and even he's probably seen lower, less viewership or listenership

just because more people have gotten into the space. I mean, Tucker Carlson, his contract, I think it was like $20 million per year, which is pretty insane. I mean, that's like, you know, and yeah, but it's less than podcast. A lot of podcasters make. What's than Rogan? You tell me which podcasts make. People like Rogan, people like the caller daddy. Or at least it's comparable. You know, there are plenty of people out there who make a lot. Now, it's also different with what I do. It's also quite a bit different because the staff that we have, the budget, what goes into it and interviews and the investigative journalism unit.

But people just sitting down with a camera. which is very common in the podcast space. Like, you don't need as many employees. So, yeah, I think people can do well. But the Rush Limbaugh thing, that really is kind of a generational talent. He took a medium that people thought was dead. He was the only person there. So he was first and he was also best.

Yeah. You can be first or you can be best every now and then you get someone who's both and he was both. So now knowing that you only cracked like the seven figure mark maybe two or three years ago, I had assumed that you were making a lot more for a long time before. Personally, as far as my income. As far as revenue, yes, well into the, well, eight figures. Then was it difficult because you famously declined an offer from the Daily Wire for $50 million over four years? Was it difficult to turn that down?

Yeah, it's difficult to turn 50 million down. Now, again, that's actually not that, it's actually less than the revenue we make. So as far as total revenue, that was total revenue. That wasn't a contract to me. That was for the 30 plus employees. That was for all of the distribution. that was for all the production that goes into it. That was to take everything.

And it would be ownership of all platforms, channels, name, image, likeness forever, and including even live performances, which, I mean, even in Hollywood, they don't do that. So it was just, it was a no. And there were a lot of reasons. I don't want young people to sign that. You shouldn't sign away your name, image, and likeness.

Like, that's not standard in Hollywood, even though they do unethical things in Hollywood, and it shouldn't be standard in this space. You have a contract for the allotted time that you're there. Was that the main obstacle within the contract? There were quite a few, and there were some personal things behind the scene that were really dirty pool

that I won't get into that he knows and I know. Who is he? Jeremy, boring. Yeah. That's also kind of a misconception that Ben Shapiro was running it. He wasn't.

Nor was it his money. It was two other guys actually from Texas who put the money up for that. In that, if people go back to it, it had a penalty. And the penalty was, for example, for every YouTube suspension, you're penalized.

I don't, it was like 15% or 10%. Not banned. Then you were penalized 25% for every Twitter suspension. So two things there. Right away that forces right-leaning commentators to play ball according to Big Tech who at the time were removing people for questioning election results, who at the time were removing people for saying, you know what? If you're a young, healthy 20-year-old, maybe the MRI injection doesn't make sense.

So doing the bidding of Big Tech de facto was a problem. Also, it was never redlined where the comment. contract, 50 million, you would immediately reduce it by 70% because I was suspended from all of those platforms. So I sent it back. So like, hey, well, you got to red line this, like, because I'm already suspended. And there's a lot, we just, no. So there are a multitude of reasons. But the real reason is, I don't want people to be signed into those types of contracts out there. And I think now people, unfortunately, people have taken that now and they go, I've seen people say, it's a Jew contract, Ben Shapiro. It's like it has nothing to do with that. It's people have a way of doing business. And

view, it's unethical to do that. It's not standard. And it was a, it was a no for me. But I wasn't the one who mentioned them first. It was them. Isn't that them just ensuring, though, that they make a return on their investment? Like, if they're going to supposedly invest, you know, tens of millions of dollars, they just want to make sure that, hey, we're not paying 50 and just, we know we get 10 back. No, they were going to immediately make the money back and they knew it just with our subscribers. So you think they should have offered more money? No. No, I would have turned down 100 million. I would have turned down $200 million if it was still the owning name image likeness

with those penalties. My big issue was the ownership and the penalties on behalf of big tech. Who is not corrupt, but just clinically done? I mean, the obvious answer, you talked about AOC. She's an unintelligent person. Kamala Harris. She's an idiot.

If you were to estimate Kamala's IQ, what would it be? Job. That's how she got ahead. Willie Brown, you guys know this, right? The mayor... Yeah, I've heard about... No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

There's no, you spent too much time about. You have hinge brain. No, no, no, no, what are you talking about? Because I know exactly what I've heard about it. I know nothing. I'm not involved. Oh, stop it. I don't.

Oh, get off your high horse. No, honestly, I've never heard of this before. Can I stand it? You and your Selma. I just care about. Mid-70s African-American shirt that only you can pull off for some reason if I wore. This was a sponsor. This is Quince.

It's very nice. I wish I could pull it off, but I would look like a homicide. You look very fetching. No, he just don't. That's your friend. He's, when all this goes away, When all this glamour goes away, this warehouse, he has a wife.

He's going to be the one who's there for you. That's why you're able to. I got you back. Kamala Harris got ahead, Willie Brown, you know, she got her. It was like a city commission position on elected. She philated him. And how do I know?

Because when he was asked about it, he was like, his answer was basically like, I don't know, I banged a lot of the dead time. She was one of them. Her cover letter, her resume was, what? Now, I'm not going to neither agree or. disagree because I'm not researched on this topic. Yeah.

So do your own research, but I did hear about that, obviously, a lot. I personally just don't, I guess I just didn't care enough to like, like, I was more about policy. You guys, you guys think that the only fans top 10 is a Mensa conference? What's, what's happening here? I think so, yeah. Okay. Well, actually, no, we have had on some of the only fans, like, top performers. You of them are incredibly smart.

Because at a certain point, it's not just about looks. It's also about how you can market yourself. Yeah, right. And if they don't have an agency that's represent. And I'm not trying to, you know, say they're geniuses or anything. But I'm not trying to discredit their intelligence if they did happen to employ very unique marketing strategies. Oh, gosh. Yeah. Like a lot of people thought Jake and Logan Paul were dumb. Like the idiots. No. And they would look at them on you to, oh, anyone could do that. But like you see behind the scenes, they're so calculated. They're so smart. Their work ethic is through the roof. And I see that. And I'm like, oh, yeah, they know what they're doing.

Yeah, I do respect their work ethic for sure. Kamala Harris, answer your question. I think she's a fundamentally unintelligent person. And I don't say that about everyone on the left, by the way. A lot of them are very smart. Clintons are very smart. You have to be smart to get away with people. Joe Biden obviously is not very sharp. Barack Obama, I think, was smart. I don't think he was as smart as people made him out to be.

What about people on the right who are dumb? I feel bad saying these things because some of them, like Dan Crenshaw is not dumb, but I've never met anyone who, it's almost like the self-aware bone, like God forgot it in his body. So I got Flack when I had him on because he was pretty popular at this point. It was after S&L, you know, the Pete Davidson thing, the one-eye joke and he went on and Pete Davidson apologized. But he was on the show and he had been on a few times and I asked him about the Taps Act as it relates to control. And he gave me a political answer.

I said, so, you know, how is this different from red flag laws? He's like, well, the Taps Act and he gave this whole double speak. I said, sounds to me a lot like red flag laws. And he just kept talking around and around. and then afterwards, when he ended up getting flack for it, he would condemn his audience as dumb. And that's, I think, that I think is not a sign of unintelligence, but lack of wisdom to insult your audience.

It's kind of like, to me, a father getting mad at their toddler. It's like, that's a reflection of you. I don't mean, like, getting upset because they're not listening, but I mean getting mad like the kid doesn't know how to do something. It's like, whenever my child doesn't know how to do something, I go, oh my God, I can't believe I didn't teach them this. Oh, wow, they should know about this. And by the way, you'll like this as a financial podcast.

Since my kids were three, they could answer what compounding interest was. I'll say, what happens if you leave that in the piggy bank for it grows the longer I leave it. And what's that called? Compounding interests. Now, can I have an M&M? You're like, yes, you can. So I think there's a real lack of wisdom from some people because they're out of touch. As far as unintelligent on the right, I mean, they're obvious.

ones, you know, like the Paul Ryan's of the world, you know, like Tim Palenti was one at one point in time. I don't think Mitt Romney is very smart. And I know you can say he's worth a whole lot, but, I mean, he started on base three. So there are definitely people on both the left and the right who are not particularly intelligent. But I try to gauge it more by wisdom. It's funny when it's someone who's really dumb. But that's just so old hat. Like, I don't think George W. Bush was the idiot they tried to make him out to be.

I really don't. I think he's actually pretty funny. that guy. I mean, you remember when he was dodging shoes? And like, he just had nicknames. He was good at that. It was fast. Yeah, it was so fast. It was like a cat. Yeah. He dodged and he'd just go around to the room and he'd be like, stretch, longer stretch. He would just have names because that makes it easy to remember. And I don't think Barack Obama was as smart as people say he was. What's an issue that isn't really talked about that you think needs to be discussed more?

Well, for me, everything is downstream from the First Amendment and Second Amendment. Because the First Amendment is how all grandkids. ideas take hold, are discussed, are pressure tested, and the Second Amendment is how they're defended. But that needs to expand a bit more now, because we're not just talking about a period of time where people come and take your stuff with data, right, and they shut you down and they eliminate your voice. So we do need probably extension of digital rights on that front. Section 230 was something I was on top of for a long, long time. And by the way, people go, isn't that big government? No, for me, it's just Section 230. For people who don't, I'm sure you guys

familiar, safe harbor laws. And it's less of an issue because you have Rumble and because you have X now. But at one point in time, right, YouTube, Google, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, snap, we're all left. If you didn't use the right pronouns, you were removed, you were banned. So it's changed a little bit now. But a lot of these companies, they benefit for people who don't know Section 230 as public utilities, meaning if I'm on a cell phone and it's Verizon. And I say, ring, hey, don't we hate blacks or whatever, Verizon can't take me off their service because it's utility, right? And that also shields them from liability, whatever is done through their services because it's not they're doing. Section 230 affords that, those safe harbor laws, to these

platforms like YouTube and social media, where they're supposed to be neutral. The problem is when they start editing. The problem is when they enforce speech codes where they are acting as a publisher. So the New York Times is liable or the Washington Post. I mean, we saw that with Nick Sandman, right? I think with CNN, they lost hundreds of millions of dollars. Allegedly, we don't know the final suit. They can't just go out and flat out lie. They're held responsible because they're a publisher, right? They're held responsible for it.

But when YouTube says this is allowed and this isn't allowed, and by the way, through an algorithm, we are going to promote certain speech, and we're going to create certain guidelines and ban people for speech but not tell them what it is. To me, it's just either you're a publisher, in which case you can choose to edit comments and speech or you're a platform,

in which case outside of the, parameters of the law, you can't. That needs to be reformed, I think. It's probably just with open source, just open source cord, probably open so, I can't say it, open source code with how their algorithms dictate the content. Maybe now, but back in the day, there was an actual meeting, like when I was demonetized and YouTube was co-producing something with Vox, where there was a highlight reel of any, whatever.

And the worst thing I said was gay Mexican and I called someone a sprite, which like, and I'm seeing that on CNN like a highlight reel. What does it mean to be a sprite? It's an old term for fairy, lighten the loafers. Almost someone you'd find on Grindr. And it was this guy who hosted these Vox videos and he just happened to be gay.

And his handle was gay Wonk. And he identified as queer. And I would say, you know, so we would criticize all Vox videos, all of them, by the way. And also like Adam ruins everything or John Oliver, whoever it is. This guy just happened to be the host for Vox. And so, you know, I'd throw in like, and if you are,

simply going to support socialism or think that these economies are working all because some lispy sprite sachets across your laptop screen. It was things like that. And they couldn't remove me because it wasn't a violation, but they demonetize me. And then they created the third set of guidelines, right, what they call the borderline content guidelines. So that was the Voxed apocalypse and their stock took a nose dive as a result because it resulted in demonetizing a bunch of history channels as well.

History channels covering the, covering the Stalinist regime. And that's why, isn't it, one thing I will say, because you guys, how long have you been doing this show? Seven years? Seven years. I've been on YouTube for 10. Okay. So there you go.

You guys are some of the OGs doing it, and now you guys are seeing the fruits of your labor. Good for you. Back then it was cool because we could sort of sidestep media, right? It's like, okay, there's no gatekeeper. But it actually got worse. Two reasons. Once traditional media realized, wait a second,

we're losing our grip, they dump a whole bunch of money into advertising on YouTube and the algorithms favor a lot of their crap. And then the other thing is we used to be regular. in legacy media by like the FCC. And it was really silly. Like you could say, hey, that guy's, but you couldn't say his,

or you could say this is bull, but you couldn't say that bull took a shit because it was scatological, right? But you kind of, it was a game of cat and mouse. Like Howard Stern, you know, before he went to satellite, was like, I'm kind of on the line, I'm kind of not. And we thought when we went to new media, that'll go away. But now everyone has become the FCC

where you have comedians who had, identifying as bad boys, blanking out words, not even censoring words like, or, or, think of how self-censorship. Think of how bad it's become. We're just covering a topic, but I don't want my video to be demonetized. So I don't want to say the of the baby was male because some algorithm says it's demonetized. And it's really, really made. For a while, I had to say the conflict in the Middle East. instead of saying Iran

or instead of saying Iran war the conflict in the Middle East just to get around that because I noticed every time I said Iran war my video would get half the views so stop saying that okay so you asked me this goes back to the money question to me it's worth it

to have the bulk of my viewership on Rumble still be many tens of thousands of people live I'm very grateful but it would be higher if we continued growing YouTube but to be able to say Iran to be able to say these jihadi hajis to be able to say that, to be able to say, I don't want to get you in trouble, but whatever it is,

to be, that's worth millions of dollars to me. Don't you think that maybe you could spread your message more effectively if you kind of towed the line a little more carefully, that you could still get your message across to many, tens of millions of more people. You can be warmer to those who are still kind of stuck in the middle. No, I wouldn't be warmer to those who are stuck in the middle. I don't think those people are offended by the word Iran. The other word.

Okay, but the point is, but that's not, but yeah, now we're moving the goalposts, right? If you can't say Iran, we have a problem. Now, I will say this. I believe what you believe for a very long time, which is why I fought to always keep my stuff on YouTube. Now, I still do, but it's clips. And I let people know if you want to watch the full show,

it's kind of retro where weekdays, 11 a.m. Eastern, we're live without a net. It's TV guide kind of set viewing. Remember, like TV guide, Tivo, all that stuff? We have a huge live viewership because people want to tune in. They feel like they're a part of something off. something that's actually going on, right? That's why we have CNN on the screen so people can see what's going on live,

nothing up our sleeve. So I do that there. And then we upload clips to YouTube. But for the longest time I was willing to stream to YouTube until I said, and based on your logic, you want to reach the unreached. Yes. But there was a crossover point where I said, I don't want to reach the unreached if I can't reach them with truth.

And YouTube made it unfeasible in my particular line, not so much with finance, but politically, to reach them with truth. when you can't discuss the attempted rate of trans individuals. I don't know if you know, we were suspended going right. So 2020, biggest election stream of all time. And then 2024 was bigger on Rumble, like over half a million concurrent live viewers. But in that midterm, we were suspended right before the midterm for two reasons. One, we hosted Kerry Lake, who was running for office in that midterm.

The other suspension, two strikes, was we quote, the CDC and showed the CDC, or we said, so, there are more flu deaths in infants and toddlers, just this flu season than all of COVID combined. Now, I've never said that COVID didn't exist. I've never said that people who are older or people who are diabetic are not at increased risk. The point I was making was, wouldn't it be interesting if we could discuss this honestly, that this novel virus, for some reason, obviously targets the old and the infirm, but young people are not at risk in the same way they are the flu. And we had the CDC tables.

That was a strike because I said, yeah, it's all correct, but it may cause people to not take COVID as seriously. That's when I said, okay, who am I reaching people? What am I reaching them with at this point? It gets to the point where it would be so watered down that for me, it was a bridge I wasn't willing to cross, and that's why we migrated people to Rumble. And I think that also played a big role,

you know, Rumble X. I think people seeing some exodus and seeing there needed to be alternatives. If I had just played along and everyone else did, I think YouTube would still have a stranglehold on it. How much money have you lost by not being PC? Well, okay, you could run the numbers. So when we were on YouTube, like we had months that were 60, 80 million plays on YouTube. This is pre-shorts.

Now zero monetization, none. And that's not including the Bits channel. So the main channel has somewhere between five and six and then bits is between one and two. But whatever the monetization is, you could take that, take that right off the top and then probably take, would we say it's fair to say if I was streaming there, kept building a 35% increased viewership over migrating to rumble, something like that. So take that and the revenue generated from that. So many, many tens of millions of dollars, I would wager conservatively. Yeah, that sounds about tens of millions. Yeah.

But it's worth it to me to say, just to use your example, Iran. just to say, hey, you know what, kids are more at risk of the flu than COVID. We made that decision. We did it during COVID, too. When they said, shut down, they said, we're doing two a days. What do you think is a policy that is discussed too much that you think is just not a problem whatsoever? Well, I'll tell you one that is discussed a lot and is never going to be fixed as money in politics. People are like, you have to overturn Citizens United, which a lot of people don't even know what that was.

That was an anti-Hillary Clinton documentary and the Clintons tried to stop it from being released. And so the court ruled that, well, the people who made this, even though it's a corporation, they're people. They're allowed to express their point of view. So that opened up money in politics. But the left and the right both want money in politics. I mean, the left will say that here in Texas, Tala Rico, who, by the way, book it, is not going to win. He's out spending Paxton right now. I think it's like $35 million to $5.

So that's one issue that people discuss and they use it as an issue to run on, like, and I'm going to get money out of politics. No, you're not. But let me ask you this. For young people in America today, you feel like it's harder to get ahead. How much of that is their own fault versus the government? It's a very good question. And I will tell you, I have two minds about this. Because the OK Boomer thing is really lazy.

People just go like, okay, boomer. And it's like, well, hold on a second. That guy's like 34. He's not a boomer. But there is a valid argument to be made. Like if you look at Social Security and you look at some of the entitlement programs and how we're paying in, but it's very unlikely to pay out to it. But it also doesn't take into account that that generation, you know,

they were looking at 12% rates on their market. mortgages, right? They were looking at 11, 1,400 square foot homes. So they also didn't have to compete, like they'll go, well, you should just be more competitive, kind of what you just said. But here's the difference. If you take boomers and you take the immigrants that they were dealing with, uh, let's just take some examples like Cuban Americans, okay, and maybe like people defecting from the USSR was very different. They come in Cuban Americans, kiss the soil, and go, I love you. I want to be American. I'm happy to be here. Open up a restaurant, pay their taxes, vote Republican, vote conservative, by the way, overwhelmingly. That's very different

from a young person who goes to school, gets the degree, it's really good, the best in his field, and someone comes in and goes, yes, but India is better. So I'm going to do the job and send the money to India. It's a very different competitive environment. One wanted to become a part of the great experiment that is America was grateful. The other is an entitled, but the other thing is, what changed? His financial decisions, young people do need to make better. You know, I've read studies that they're anywhere from four to eight times as likely to use DoorDash. Well, that didn't exist back in the day. I mean, I still eat at home.

I still eat breakfast for dinner at least three times a week. A, it's delicious. B, it's cheap. So two things can be true. Boomers are a little bit out of, or older generations are out of touch with some of the difficulties that younger Americans are facing. And younger Americans think that no one else has faced hardships

in the way that they have. Now, the matter of policy, two separate things. Because I'll often hear, I heard Ben Shapiro on your show, I think it was on this show. Yeah. So you've had him on twice. It might have been Patrick Bet David's show. We had them on twice.

My man, give me a 50% chance. What's the chance of you doing this better? Dude, how are your... Your action pressure is. That's because I saw an hinge. I saw you the guy with big biceps, but I'm the guy with bigger biceps. Congratulations, I have a 75% chance of getting more bids on hinge. You got to speak a little slower to do...

No, I'm not going to speak slower because, look, I'm a Syrian, I'm a Russian, but the thing is I'm 6'4 and I'm sexy. Let me tell you a story. Yeah. Let me tell you something. I knew this guy back in the day. I knew this guy. He was the guy, man. Yeah.

Yeah. So it might have been on this show where he said, well, the technology that you have, right, your phone, you have more computing power than NASA. That's true. You do have a lot of conveniences. What we have seen change is consumer goods, so TVs, phones, things like that, access to groceries. That's become significantly less expensive for young Americans. So that is true, the libertarian argument, right, where there's competition. The flip side of that is staples that are very important, housing.

school health care has become much more expensive. I think would we agree on that kind of fundamental premise? Yes. Okay. So then you have to ask why. Well, of those, phones, TV, power, internet cable, okay, versus schooling, housing, which one do you think has allowed a free market approach to take place more? Of course, consumer goods.

There's more competition. Schooling, you can directly attribute it to the federal government and all these grants. these scholarships, right? Because if you don't overcharge for education right now, basically forcing someone to take out, you're leaving money on the table because Uncle Sam makes that out. So the policy has screwed education costs and they are out of control. Housing. Well, what do you think happens when you allow institutional investors to come in and buy up all the single family housing units now? Like in an area Atlanta, I think it's close to 25%. That screws young people out of buying a house. Because I'll push back on that one. Because corporations purchase.

few houses out there. I did a whole segment on this that it was like half a percent of the entire rental market were these mega corporations. Well, mostly, rental is not the same thing. Rent prices have come down because that's a volume game. They've created more. And that's actually like Austin for all the hobo piss is a great example of rent actually coming down. We're talking about people buying a first time home. Now, it is also residentially dependent. So let's say like Atlanta, Georgia is a really bad one. I think. Atlanta's one of the higher ones. It's like 25%. That affects the market. That blocks people out. But outside of that, housing prices are really just a lot of people locked in at 3% and they're not selling. And they can't afford to buy anything else.

And you have so few inventory, first-time buyers right now because of that, getting screwed. No one's building. The other people are in golden handcuffs where they can't buy something else. Right. Now, that again goes back to this is one of the reasons. I can tell you the reason that I'm conservative. I can tell you the three things that made me pretty conservative. But one of them later on in life.

was the term predatory lending. Remember that movie The Big Short? And you watch it. It's a great film. But none of it makes sense when you go, well, wait a second. So this goes to the housing. So they were bundling subprime and okay. But why would these businesses give out mortgage,

give out home loans to people who they know couldn't pay it back? Let me ask you this. Let's just walk through this logically. Like we're all five. How do banks make money when they lend you, when you take a loan? They sell their loan. Well, before, let's go really traditional. You borrow money from a bank.

They borrowed out a cheaper rate. You pay them back with interest, right? You pay them back more over time. Sure. Right? So you get the loan now. Okay. So let's apply that logic.

Why would the bank, in a predatory way, lend to someone who cannot pay it back? Well, I mean, my answer would be because they sell the loan before the loan comes due. So they're not the one. That's partially. Also, it was required of them when you look at right yet, Dodd-Frank, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac. Sure. And they said, you have to, this is the name of equity, justice, right? So you have to give these people home with no money down.

Required. And 2%. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, no, it was. Fannie and Freddie basically said, if you give us these loan terms, we will guarantee that there's a marketplace to buy those loans. Right. And so as long as you just fit this box.

Where otherwise wouldn't be. Correct. Well, there otherwise wouldn't be if Uncle Sam didn't come in and say, hey, by the way, none of this makes economic sense, but we'll foot the bill. So it became a free-for-all. It didn't force banks that they had to lend. It was just banks could lend because. because they could sell the loan.

Well, there's column A and there's column B. There also was pressure to give to first-time homebuyers, minority homebuyers, those who were more at risk, those who were less likely to get first homes, right? Where they would get better rates, like almost no money down. But that was only because they could sell them. All banks knew is that, hey, if I get this loan, I sell it really quick. All right. That's not all they knew, but let's take yours as a majority.

Sure. Okay. There's no world in which that occurs without a meddling government. The bank goes, can you afford 20% down? Here's your rate. Now, what happened when the people who put no money down and had a 2% rate? What happened when they didn't pay? And it should have been foreclosed upon.

They were allowed to stay in those homes for much, much, much, much longer. Now, usually the market would correct itself. They'd be out. Someone else who can put the money down would be in. The point that I'm making is, and there are, yes, there are a multitude of factors I'm distilling it for time. Yeah, sure, sure. Either way, I think we both agree that wouldn't happen without Uncle Sam coming in.

Banks wouldn't lend that money to people who can't pay that. Just like schools could not charge. something that by definition is unaffordable unless there were scholarships and $100. So you look at that, you look at, okay, mortgages or sorry, homes, you look at school, you look at health care. Anyone want to say that health care hasn't included overly encroaching government? That one has been horrible.

I know it $900 a month for the plan. It's the basic plan. It just covers catastrophic. Even though now there's a public option. What is that? That's self-fund. That's Obama care. Right?

It's a public option that subsidized basically for people who don't have money where they go on the market. It's usually terrible, by the way. They wanted to be fully public. But the point is, these are not industries where competition has thrived. These are industries that have been almost entirely controlled and manipulated to the federal government. And they are the ones that have absolutely destroyed the quality of life and increased the cost of living for young Americans. It's not the fact that they can get a cricket phone for four bucks. It's not the fact that they can get a Westinghouse TV, you know, for $50 that would have once upon a time cost 1500, it's homes, it's education, it's, it's healthcare. And these are

industries where you have had overly meddling government in trying to solve the problem. Their solution is they'll make it better. They've only made it worse. So the reason I say is there's a disconnect where boomers go, well, I didn't have a smartphone and I, that's true. And the fact that you have access to write those phones in front of you, more information than ever in the history of humanity, right? And we have the first generation that is fatter, sicker, and dumber than those before them, that's indicative of bad choices and young people could probably make better choices.

But the cost of living is a legitimate concern and conservatives and Republicans would do well to listen to that and not just say, pull yourself up by your bootstraps because the deck is stacked against them a little bit as far as homes and as far as education. So where do you see this going? Because with everything that you just said,

my only logical conclusion to this is probably they got to raise taxes. No, no, no, no, no. that's probably where it's going, is they got to raise taxes, or they have to find a way to bring down costs substantially by penalizing a certain group, probably the wealthy, just to bring down prices enough so everyone else feels like they have a chance. Also, by the way, that compounds this is, I will add, you know, anywhere from low end 20 to 60 million high end legitimate is 40 million illegal aliens. That adds a lot too, especially

when they can get social safety net benefits. So this is one thing where this administration administration, far from perfect, has done a lot. They've made great strides. When you look at their ban on institutional investors buying up single family housing units. That's got to be performative, though. Well, when you look at people who are here on certain visas not actually getting those preferential home loans because people are coming in, using them, buying up houses, having multiple properties, when you look at education where the government is no longer basically going to offer loans for useless gender studies degrees, right? That cuts the head off of the beast. And when you look at deportations and stopping the mass importation of third world labor,

often people who are off the books who don't pay taxes and cost the taxpayer anywhere from $100 billion to $400 plus billion a year. That multi-pronged approach, and no one has done more on solving the immigration crisis than this administration. Is it perfect? No, but when people say, this is betrayal, I go, wait a second. Did you vote for perfect or did you vote for more than ever?

Because July, there were more ice arrests than ever. H-1Bs, Donald Trump said, $100,000 a year fee. So based on what you guys just said, right, this would be fair. Hey, you need, compete, be more qualified. So the idea, the premise has been with H-1Bs, we were bringing the best and the brightest, right? Brain drain. Well, if that's the case, it's a $500,000 year CEO,

$100,000 fee, you shouldn't mean all that much. It's not. We saw a reduction by 87% of new applications from overseas, meaning outside the U.S., H-1Bs. court struck it down. Democrat judge said, you can't do that. So I did a workaround where now it applies to all new H-1Bs. That's significant for Americans.

Banning, is it any one thing? No, but it's all of these collectively. What thing stops the company just from hiring overseas? They don't need someone necessarily here. Why don't they just hire overseas then? Hey, by the way, really quick, if you want extra content just like this as well as early access and a bonus post show posted every single week, feel free to join as a channel member to get immediate access to all of that,

well as early access to everything else that we post, along with priority responses to all of your comments. So if that sounds cool, feel free to join. Would love to have you on board. Thanks so much. We'll get back to the podcast now. What then stops the company just from hiring overseas? They don't need someone necessarily here. Why don't they just hire overseas then? You mean, why don't they just offshore all their work? Well, sometimes they will. And sometimes there are ways that that make sense, but that's not what was taking place. What was taking place into the tune of many, many millions of people in billions of dollars were people being imported here sending their remittances out of this country who are not any more qualified than Americans taking the jobs and doing it for less.

And if they want to offshore, there are some areas, by the way, where offshoring makes sense. So for example, if, like we had a steel shortage, I believe at one point in time where you know, you're not going to overnight Pittsburgh turn it back on, you might need to get it from, I think, Eastern European countries, not just China, did a lot of steel like Latvia, Lithuania, whatever those places. That makes sense because then you can keep the American, let's say, first. furniture or warehouse manufacturer, you can keep them in business. It doesn't make sense to bring people in to do jobs that American have done everything right to earn simply for cheaper so that

someone can squeeze out more profit for shareholders. That's what I think. It's not late stage capitalism. It's early stage socialism where we have loss. And I say this as a free enterpriser. I say this as a conservative, but a shopkeeper selling something to somebody, right? There's there's an unwritten contract of this is going to give you enough value that you will be willing to pay it and hopefully come back. The problem is you'll see a lot of these vultures, these vulture companies come in and just go, you know what, we'll take a loss on this one and it'll become a part of a portfolio, even though it's a product that actually mattered to people, right? We've lost this sense of actually serving the consumer. That's a big problem. But going back to the cost of living, both have a case,

and I feel like they're talking past each other. Technology has improved people's quality of life for sure with luxury items and conveniences. And by the way, items and also, I mean, you'll talk about health care, like individually, a Fitbit, right? Individually something, the ORA ring that you were talking about, which I threw mine in the trash because I don't need something to tell me I'm dying every morning. But housing, education, and all of that is exact. And of course, health care, all of that is exacerbated by immigration. It takes addressing that. And the first thing to do was address the inflow of immigration. And that's stopped by 94%. What about for the average person, what could they do to better their lives, assuming that they're not going to, you know,

change the whole United States. You're just a guy sitting in a bedroom. It's like, what do I do today? Spend less than you make. Go to a trade school. If you don't know what you want to do, go to a community college, make some sacrifices now, live further outside of town, get a smaller home or find really inexpensive rent. Do that for a while, save up and then use the opportunity when it avails itself. It doesn't mean it's going to solve the problem because they've gotten some We've gotten some tough breaks, but that's what individuals can do to improve their lives. I will say community college is extremely underrated. I went and I think the first semester of my community college was like $7 because there was

like a program with my like local high school and the local community college got super cheap. The education is horrible. But you know, but I skip college. Yeah, I don't even just can. But like also all of your your prerequisites anyways, you're not going to really learn anything. It's not going to teach you anything. Whether you do it at a community college or whether you do it at Stanford, sorry, Stankewarm. Those seven bucks, I will say, I would look into that.

It sounds like your community college was not accredited. Well, it got me into UCSB. Oh, okay. Well, good. So you're like a Phoenix. Yeah. You rose from the community college ashes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, they had a tag program, California tag program, go from community college to UC school. Okay. But horrible education, I will say. Well, you seem sharp enough. All right. Thank you. Put that on your hinge. That you called me sharp enough?

Yeah, put that your hinge should just be me like. I think if there's anything that could get me zero matches, that might be. For men. Me? It would. Have it like Dennis and Edry. You forgot to sit the magic word. He's sharp enough.

He's sharp enough. You guys should match with him. Yeah, I think that that would not help my cause. Why do celebrities like Billy Elish or just all the other people, the A-listers, the S-listers, like, why do they take such strong political stances? Is that Hollywood as an entity, like pushing a certain agenda through those people? Or is it like something else? Like they're just very passionate. They feel like some sort of carmic debt that they need to pay back.

That's actually very insightful and you're partially right. A couple of things. First off, many of them are very stupid. And I mean that. Many of them are fundamentally unintelligent people. When you look at the entertainment industry, a lot of people, basically, they're successful because of a gift God gave them. They look good on camera, right? They're attractive, think modeling.

A lot of talent when you're talking about creative arts is not always work ethic based. Sometimes it is. So many of them are fundamentally unintelligent. They're insulated. They're out of touch. Then you look at the entertainment industry for the longest time. It was only a net benefit. to come out as a leftist. You were persona on Grada. There was an actual blacklist. If you were a

conservative, that was a real thing. It's been well documented. But it would help your career if you came out and you endorsed a Democrat candidate, right? It was absolutely group think. I mean, I remember this clear as day. This was one of the things that made me conservative. I was watching Oprah in Canada. And it was Cameron Diaz, I want to say Jake Gyllenhaal, someone will be able to go pull this on YouTube and P. Diddy. Back then, I think he was still Puff Daddy. I don't know. If it was Puff Daddy, Puffie, whatever. And it was Voter Die. Voter die. And he did the video. Like, man, what's Sarah Palin going to do about South Korea. It's like you mongoloid, South Korea, like, but people are going to go vote. I want everyone to vote. And Cameron Diaz said, if you don't vote

guys, it's like saying you want legal. This was on Oprah at that point. She said that. She said that. I'm really close. That's a quote verbatim. Someone can go fact check. It's like saying you want to be legal. And then I went, oh my gosh, I don't want these people voting. I don't want them voting at all. because then representatives are going to represent them. I want people voting who proactively want to vote. But this was a whole campaign. It was only a net. You think they're going out there because they really believe in this?

No, they're functionally, but it was helpful to their career. On the flip side, any person who came out and would endorse or support a conservative, boom, persona non grata. So that's what it is. But then you have other people that seem to take it one step further, where they're constantly pushing some sort of political agenda, even though it has nothing to do with their actual professional career in Hollywood. And I'm curious for those, do you think that it's the same thing?

Like, they're continuing to get, like, the spoils of being. It's the combination of being unintelligent, of the incentive and godlessness. You know what it is? It's the equivalent of the job. What are we talking about here? Well, any time he says that, I'm all ears. Go ahead. Expand on that.

Expand. Basically, moving yourself up on the career ladder. Yes. With the quick and dirty. It's just, hey, let's, you know, say this. this thing. I'm going to say it. Same thing as like the job. Yeah. No, exactly right. It helps. It only helps your career. And then it's the same reason where you look at like, how are these actors so wealthy, but they're like basically socialists?

Tell you where you don't see that. You don't see that with people who built up a business. A lot of actors, a lot of these artists, they go from nothing to, boom, you have tens of millions of dollars. They didn't actually have to sign the fronts of checks. They didn't have to build a business. And so they often have this guilt where they assume everyone was as lucky as they were. It's not the same as a guy who, you know, I don't know, opens up a bunch of jack-in-the-box franchises or rents manufacturing equipment. He knows the work that went into it. Someone like Cameron Diaz didn't do that. And so she has a bunch of money.

She feels guilty about it. She's dumb and she wants to advance her career. Next question. If you could answer in one sentence, why do you think people care about what celebrities' political opinions are? What would it be? Because everything is downstream from culture. And so that's our biggest export in the United States. It's not iron ore.

It's not oil. It's pop culture. What would you say to the individuals that have their political beliefs determined by celebrities if they're listening right now? I'd say they're probably a girl. See, this is exactly... I'm serious. No, but I... How am I going to get a wife, man?

What? Like, when I say this? Yeah, he doesn't support me, by the way. He said I'm not... He said I'm a total... He doesn't agree with me whatsoever, but I would say they're probably a girl. I mean, think about eat, pray love. You have people who went to India because they thought it was a spiritual experience until they saw half the country crapping in the streets.

Right? And they all came back with violence. diarrhea. Like, it's really spiritual. Have you been to India? I have not and I will not. My brother has. I think that could be a unique experience for you because you've consistently brought up India. And obviously, I've also- I hate it. But not all the Indians. I just hate the, I hate the caste system. I hate the godless void. I hate Jagad, the idea that using the system is actually virtuous if you're able to use loopholes and get away with it. What would it take for you to go to India? Is there, is there something someone could ever say or do it? It would

take this continent getting nuked. Could I pay you $3 million to go on a vacation to India? You will see me in the very next Bollywood film. So long as it is, so long as it's like a one week's stay, and you send me with a good supply of water and wet wipes. Okay. So Indians out there, if you have money, and you're watching this right now, and you want to open up Stephen Crowder's mind to India,

all it takes is three, would you do two? Now you're changing the deal. Okay. That's very Indian of you. You're negotiating after the year. I don't know. 30 million? I don't know.

Do it 30. It's the same. I'm Jewish. So, you know, it's the same kind of, it's a kind of good. But you're a tall Jew. Oh, stop at you. Thank you.

So anyways, three million dollars. That's all it takes. Before tax. Before tax. To be clear. Yeah. I mean, no, I probably wouldn't. If you actually didn't,

there was a go-fund me, I would do it like as a series because it would be probably, I would be miserable and people would love. That would be the most viral content that I think I could. Yeah, I think it's actually worth it. To see you go to an Indian beach

would be, I would love that. I think people don't understand this. too. With the Indian, and have you ever done business? You ever done business with Indians? Yeah. Yeah. So what happens often is part of their thing is they will negotiate after a contract done, not all, but I have had many businesses here because there have been many in the North Texas area where they've actually had to take certain precautions because you will build a house and then they try and haggle after and say that something isn't right. Here's the reason why, though.

Virtually all of the world's credit card scams, all of them come from that area of the world. How does that happen? It's a mathematical impossibility unless there's a spiritual rot. Not all Indians. I'm talking about the foundational worldview with Hinduism and with that belief. You are in heaven or hell, right? It's karma. Well, what do you think that says to someone who's gotten by behaving horribly and screwing everyone else, but they've actually lined their pockets? Like, well, if this is hell, sign me up. This is as bad as it gets. It's not the same as ultimately you'll be judged by the final creator and accountable and answerable to him for you. your deeds and for your life. Not how do you feel about it? It's you're going to burn for it. And that's why we look like America and that place looks like India. I've just had nothing but amazing experiences working with people from India. Okay.

But so it's hard for me to say anything negative because my perception, what's up? There are plenty of great Indians. I'm not saying, I'm talking about the country, the worldview, and its effect on the world. That's what I'm talking about. Not every single individual Indian. I'm sure if there's, you know, a few Indians out here in an apartment complex and they're going to a church, I want to take a dip. I have no problem with that.

I think you've got to go to India. All right. It's the only way to settle. Three million and it becomes an episodic. I think you should do. A grumpy old man abroad in his 30s. I would love to see you just traveling the world, having dinner with different cultures, and just you filming it.

And you could kind of, you know, debate a little bit and make a few jokes and a few impressions. What would it take for you to do this? In Japan, eating a frog while it's smiling at me still alive. Yeah, it's making more tasty. Just weird. And I would like to go to Japan. Have you been to Japan? No, I haven't been in China.

It is in credit. Oh, no, I know. Yeah, I want to go to Japan. I like to go to Japan. I like to go to Japan. I remember visiting and just thinking, this place is perfect. It's so racist. Perfect.

Oh, yeah, we were openly discriminated against multiple times going into bars where they say, Oh, yeah, they kicked me out, we're fully because I'm white. Oh, yeah, trying to be black. And it's just, but part of me is like, you know, it's their business. It's, you know, whatever they want, and I'm fine with it. Like here, we're talking about, let's, let's round it, call it 40 million illegal aliens, We were like, we need to let more. In Japan, it got to 3%.

They were like, this is a problem. No more. And they just, like, we're done with immigration. Have you seen how they just deport those people? So there's a guy named, I'm a big martial arts fan. There's a guy named Bob Sapp, known as the Beast. He was in the longest yard, big black guy. Just he's like 360 pounds with a six-pack, just ripped.

And he was a fighter in Japan. It was such a novelty for a big black guy. They just had him on a billboard like a commercial with him eating bananas. Like, he's like a big black man, eating banana like a gorilla. And no one had a problem with it. And he was like, man, they don't hate me. They're just okay with these stereotypes. So when people say that, yes, it's an entirely homogenous culture.

They set a hard limit on immigration. And Japan is for the Japanese. I just think it should be okay when America does it. But their economy's not doing the best. It's not. I mean, so they've been in a decline. So couldn't that also say that like, couldn't we also just say like, hey, maybe their system's not working?

Like long term, they got to make it pretty substantial. We'll have a real birth rate problem. Yes. So they have to open up, I think, for immigration, incentivize a lot of tourism. Otherwise, they're just going to slowly dwindle away. I don't want to be out of my depth here because Lane the brain is over there. Like, he studied in Asia and he has, like, only Asian women will do. So he knows everything about Japan.

So if I say something that's incorrect, he's going to be fuming at me in the car on the way back. But, yeah, they probably need to make some changes. I don't think that opening it to a bunch of third worlders is going to be the solution. but they do have a birth rate problem. They do have a work life balance problem. A big part of it is they don't really value life to the same way that we do here. I mean, it sort of extends from that samurai spirit

where it was more important to the collective where your life wasn't as valuable. And then you apply that in the workspace. You apply that sometimes in the family space. I mean, that's why they have forest, which I one day, this was awful, I was by myself watching a documentary in the forest. And I was not in a good headspace when I did this.

And then I'm like, why am I watching this documentary in this forest? And there's this guy who goes around the forest trying to stop people. It's not graphic or anything. But he just goes in. There's like, there's a guy in a tent. And he's like talking to the camera.

Like, you two, do that, dude, like, I think this guy's going to get himself. And he just goes up to the tent. And his whole effort is he's like, uh, how are you? The guy's like, not good. You know, in the tent? He's like, think of your family. He's like, I will. Okay.

And he walks away. He's like, so hopefully he don't get himself. And I'm like, this is all they do because they're still respectful of your choice. Yes, correct. So it's a deeply respectful culture that is so foreign to us, it might as well be another planet. But I certainly would rather go to Japan than India. How much of the Stephen Crowder that appears on camera is actually Stephen Crowder?

The same guy just turned up to an 11. I mean, there'll be some misconceptions, too. Like, the thing is, if you've ever worked, like, been in a comedy gym, the people who I'm closest with are the people I give the hardest time and vice versa. Like, if you were to read private texts between my best. So my best friends are my friend Johnny Boy, who works for me. I've known him since I was 12, Gerald for 20 years, my dad. We've always just been really close.

He's one of the funniest guys I know. Still, same best friends. And the retention rate that we have at our company, we have people who've been there for 11 years, seven years. So the misconceptions actually come from, you know, disgruntled employees, people who, you know, were either in some cases, drug addicts, fired with cause. What people don't hear about is the wonderful culture,

which is honestly what I'm most proud of at the company. because I get to go in and be around people who are fantastic, but that means that the stuff we do and say to each other as a comedy outlet would probably be shocking. With people who are coming in, if you guys go and visit the studio, will be incredibly polite because otherwise, you know, you'd probably run out and rightfully so.

What do people get most wrong about you? Did I seek conflict? I'm actually pretty shy, conflict avoidant in my private life. Yeah, I just thought someone would need to do it. But it also lends itself to what's a correct perception of me being recluse. It's not because I'm antisocial. I love people. When I'm not working, my time is reserved for the people who really matter.

So that's why you don't see me in a lot of functions and networking. And what's a fair criticism of yourself? A fair criticism would definitely be like everyone in my life and like telling me to relax, be a little less intense. I was sent to a high school guidance counselor, not because I was a problem child, not because I never touched a sip of alcohol, never slept with anybody in high school. But they sent me because they were like,

he's just like a grumpy old man. He's just like a, and he's like 15. And I went there and they said, why are you so tightly wound? But I had an answer. I said, why am I so tightly wound? I don't know, maybe because I don't see the sun for six months out of the year.

When I get out of here and get into the 225 bus, it's already dark. Can I come back in the next day, do it all over again for something that doesn't seem like it's going to apply. Oh, wait, I've got four hours of homework when I go home. It's going to go on my permanent record and a government test here in Quebec that 75% of us are going to fail. And I'm not good at anything. I don't know what I'm going to do for the rest of my life. And that's how I found Jiu-Soo.

They put me in the high school grappling clubs. It was kids who had no dads, right, next stop, Juvie, and me. And it was just because they thought I was too stressed out. Do you think you're difficult to work with? To outsiders? Yes. to people within the company, no, to people within the company,

actually people like Molly and Lane, they're the ones going, hey, we're not going to let you come in today. Just take the day off. But to people outside of the company, and I don't even necessarily know that it would be difficult. It's just we're not necessarily

in the same line of work. Is it possible for someone to date someone with different political beliefs than they have? Depends on how you're framing it. If you mean to have a casual relationship, sure. I mean, you can be with a fat chick and do that.

If you're talking about meaningful relationship? No. No. How can you raise your kids? Where do you draw the line? I'm talking about someone who's going to be your wife, your long-term partner. No, I mean, you have like James Carville, who I guess is an exception, but that's because to him like politics is a game,

and he's one of the best at it. But no, I don't think so. And I mean, I'm sure there are exceptions, but I wouldn't set my life up with someone who doesn't share the values because it's not about your individual values. It's what do you, what do you imbue to those, to those kids. Has your view of compatibility changed as you've gotten older? Yes. How so? I certainly believe more in traditional roles that men and women are fundamentally different. I always believe that, but this interchangeability that we've applied to society at large has been corrosive and I don't think it's very good. I think that it's a biblical definition that the man is the head of the household

is to love his wife as Christ love the church, but she is to submit to him in all things. I think, that single-income households with a mom taking care of the children as opposed to paying a caretaker. And I understand there are exceptions. Not everybody does this. But that's the ideal. And as a society, we need to strive for the ideal situation for rearing children. And it's not two parents out of the house and the kids in daycare and then being raised by a nanny. Another thing is that you've also gone through a very public divorce.

Now, I think that just to do right by our viewers, I think I need to ask. like what do you think people got right and what do you think people got wrong about that situation? Well, I'm not going to talk about that because that's the mother of my children. And I've never addressed it beyond acknowledging that it was happening publicly or defended myself. But I want those kids to respect their mother and their father. It was a very rude awakening, though, to be one of the few people who, as a matter of record, in court under oath, ever cheated, never, and to see the kind of PR campaign that a judge ruled was a lot to continue as an extortion suit, which I dropped.

There were some people out there who did some due diligence and kind of actually pulled what happened in court. I never addressed it, but to them I'm forever grateful because there's the court of public opinion, there's the court of what actually happened. And it takes multiple parties to make something like that fail. But beyond that, I want those kids to be obedient and to love both parents. So what happened there specifically? Between, like, the court of public opinion and what actually happened in court?

What was the resolution between that? Well, there was no resolution. You just said people believe things that aren't so. This is a matter of record. In court, never cheated, never. But you have people who believe that, you know, it's like a lifetime movie. And someone was being pushed down a flight of stairs. So, yeah, maybe someday, but what's most important is that those kids love both their mom and their dad.

And neither one is perfect. But only one really voiced a lot on that publicly, and it wasn't myself, and I'd rather keep it that way. Did you learn anything going through something like that about relationships or about life, about yourself, some very valuable lesson going through such an intense and life-changing experience that I guess could, you know, you could share for someone to learn? I definitely learned a lot about the system and how it exists. And so not losing, you know, giving up primary custody to another party that's very rare for. for a man. I'm very grateful for that. But knowing how 90% go one way and seeing other fathers out there who may be flawed, like you see this with Lindsay Clancy right now. People saying, well, I think, and it took me a while where I had to really search, there's no evidence that this guy

ever cheated. There's no evidence that this guy ever did anything wrong. As a matter of fact, he took paternity leave. He actually worked from home so that he could be more present. He got her a nanny. He would go pick up prescriptions. The day that she planned to her children, he was picking up prescriptions and bringing home food and people still go, he didn't do enough. I think the husband did it on no basis other than we don't want this woman who her children to be accountable. And this may be uncomfortable for people, but I have talked about this one quite a bit. And I think it's been a wake-up call where people go, has this large of a percentage of Western women always been this crazy? Like, there was that court TV poll with a lot and 60-something percent said she was not guilty. I mean, Candace said that

she was absolutely not guilty. I'm not even willing to entertain the discussion of postpartum, insert whatever here, pharmaceutical companies, the husband, because I can't get out of kid number two. That's all I think about. I didn't sleep for nights. We want to talk about how she felt and how maybe he picked up Chinese food

when he should have picked up dominoes. Imagine being kid number two. I think it was a five, a three-year-old and a seven-month-old. Well, your mom's your brother. And you're next. And we're talking about whether she was taken. That to me is a very strong statement as to where we are as a society. And it's coming from one half.

You didn't see any men line up to support Dahmer or Gacy or Bundy. And I hope we reverse course. Did you have a pre-nup? No. And what have you learned going through that experience? You can guess. But this is it this is It's actually quite a common discussion

We have on this podcast specifically I think people should have preempts Yeah I think people should absolutely have preempts And people say and this is a big failure Of the evangelical Protestant church Like well you don't need a prenap Because you're planning for you're planning for the marriage to fail

Well you could just as easily go Okay you're planning you're planning to fleece It's the same thing like going back to Lindsay Clancy They go well he didn't do enough Let's just apply that exact same mindset to her You think she was doing enough you think she just one day or three children?

Or do you think she was probably a wife and mom too? And everyone turned up because, boy, gee golly, she has access to all the health care in the world and she doctor shops. Maybe she wasn't doing enough. So I think, yeah, pre-up, pre-nup, I will say money and violence creates clarity, unfortunately,

creates clarity as far as sides. Money clarifies relationships where people say, yeah, yeah, I'll do it for you. And then money gets involved and you realize, wait a second, someone's intentions are a little bit different. That's interesting. Yeah, I think, and I think when you understand that, you know, up to 70% of divorce filings in this country are women,

and you understand that physical and infidelity are not the top reasons listed. I think when you look at the fact that domestic, one-way domestic is far more common from women to men, it's most common between lesbian couples. This is well documented. And that a single mother household, a single mother is 48% more likely to a child than a father. I think we have a broken system. I really do. And I think the fact that the outrage is over a pre-up,

this is what I say. I am a very, very flawed and prickly, a conservative Christian who believes that marriage and family, the nuclear family, is the foundation and bedrock of Western society. That's why Marx and Black Lives Matter and socialists have tried to tear it down. It's in their charter.

I think it's super important. And it's hard for me to advocate that a young, successful man get married. without a pre-nup. What do you do with that? It's no longer a religious thing. There's a covenant with God. And then there's a,

there's a legal contract in the state, and it's the only contract where one side, that that earns the lesser financially is incentivized to break it, and it's a multi-billion dollar industry. Now, I'll tell you this, one other examples in Kentucky,

they switch custody default to 50-50, meaning like, we're not going to argue over that unless there's obviously, obviously, it starts automatically with 50-50 custody, and you saw divorce filings go down, significantly. People will say it was part of a larger trend in other states, but not to the degree that Kentucky saw that sharp decline. You know, why it was lost as a leverage point, I think people don't like to face the fact that too often, not all, women will use children as leverage against the father. And it's very common in the court system. I used to be a little bit iffy on pre-nups, kind of mostly against it. And then as time has passed, I've kind of come around to them because I think likening them to a seatbelt is somewhat a place. It's like you get into a car, you don't expect to get in a car crash. You're driving your car.

You know you're safe. Then there are so many other variables that you can't necessarily account for. So it's like you may as well wear your seatbelt. Yeah. Plus your bank account grew, so that makes sense. True. And, you know, with what's going on on hinge, I don't blame you. But no, I think it absolutely makes sense.

And there are ways to also do them reasonably, whereas no one wants to leave anybody destitute. Would you get married again? Covenant before God, yeah. With the state, don't know. All right, Stephen, we have some rapid-fire questions for you now. Give us like a one-sentence response and let's hear what you got to say. All right. What political beliefs have you changed your mind on?

International trade when I saw how unfair it was. What belief are you least certain about today? Probably same one international trade. That's a big one. Has there ever been a moment where you seriously considered stepping away from politics? Yes. When? All the time.

Has covering politics every day made your life better or worse? Less happy for large seasons of my life until I more maturely became equipped to handle it. But it is a soul suck because you see the darkest of humanity sometimes. What's the biggest mistake people make when debating? Probably should ask a super skilled debater, but I think operating off of a false premise is probably the big one. False premise or straw man thinking it'll work. Who's the best president of your lifetime? Of my lifetime, Donald Trump.

worst president of your lifetime. Well, you could say, you know, Bill Clinton because of family people, but probably Barack Obama as far as his policy being corrosive. Optimistic or pessimistic about America in 10 years? Optimistic. What's one piece of advice you'd give to a young person watching? If it was about anything, doesn't have to be political,

could be philosophical, could be psychological, could be anything. What do you think they need help with? I think a lot of people are struggling with meaning and purpose, and that needs to come from self-esteem. there are only, there's only one way to actually generate to create real self-esteem. Find something that you maybe have an aptitude for. Get really good at it. Get excellent at something.

That will be the baseline for true self-esteem because you'll understand that you can get good at something. And then biblically, esteem others first. Serve others first. Get really, really good at something. Find out how you can use that something to make a living, but also serve others. So we have this list of people, and I want to know if you could ask them a question, and they had to be 100% honest with the answer. So, like, they could not lie.

Yeah. You had some serum that you could give to them. What question would you ask? AOC. Are those real? Tucker Carlson. Why the flip? Ben Shapiro.

Well, why didn't you show up for the debate that we were going to have? I still have a ton of respect for you, my man. Bernie Sanders. Tope or bleach? straight jacket. Nick Fuentes. Is there a world in which bridges could be built with people who've objectively wronged you? And is there a world in which you think that you could work alongside some people who

would surprise folks? Or do you want to be doing what it is that you do forever? Hillary Clinton. What did you kill that guy? Why is the question? Yeah. That's the question that you would have for her. Yeah.

Why'd you kill those guys? Elon Musk. At a certain point, it's too many. Why Ashley Sinclair? Why don't you see that one coming a mile away? Peter Thiel. Is your blood bag human like part time or full time? Are they salaried or is it like a contractor?

Do you have any questions for us? Oh my gosh, I have so many questions for you guys. Flip it. Because whatever you ask right now, all we're going to do to end it is a tier list and then we're done. Okay. So you have the field now. Yeah. Is you been doing YouTube for 10 years?

10 years. And you have been? I've been working with him for what, eight and a half? Seven. Seven and a half. Yeah. Jack sent me an email. He sent me an email. He sent me an email wanting to work. Said he would do anything. And it just happened to be at a time where I was had so much on my plate. And I gave Jack some very menial work. I thought you were going to say it happened to coming on time. You were horny. I'll do anything. That's a date. By the way, don't do that again. Don't send a guy a stranger. I'll do anything. Well, you know, who knows? It worked for someone else. It didn't work for Kamala Harris. And she would have been the example as a first female president. He did a great job. And then I was like, he did a great job. And then I was like, like, what else could I give them? And it was some editing work. And then it was some emails.

And it slowly progressed. Have you guys ever had like a big blow-up fight and then resolved it? We've never had a big blow-up fight. We had one, not necessarily a fight because we don't get angry at each other. The things that make me angry about Graham, I would say, is his general incompetence with certain things. Okay. And then that. Mike, I mean, you set up the set and everything set up incorrectly.

Nothing was set up incorrectly. You're going to take that from him. Give him a shot. No, nothing was said. He thinks I'm lazy. Yeah. So it's like, like, the thing is, once you become so close with someone, you know them and you accept them for all of the things that they have that are good and all of the things that

they have that are bad. Okay. You know, and so Graham and I are at this point where like, I can be 100% honest with them. He could be 100% honest with me. Like the fact that he didn't realize that if we had a dynamic shot in the background, then we'd have a black bar going through this thing all the time. Yeah, it was pretty bad. Like the fact that he set up the audio and he had a power cable running over the audio

cables, which will cause buzzing. I knew that. Well, how come when I checked it? See, like, I have to check all of his work. Because if I don't, then we can have an issue like that. He's making stuff up. Who signs the fronts of checks between you, right? No, we're equal partners.

You're equal partners? Technically, I think it's like 50, 149. You just shit on you for like a minute and a half straight. Get on me. He's lazy. And he doesn't respond to text messages. And I think his priorities are a little out of whack. He likes life balance, which I think is a 20-something.

There's no life balance. Just like dig in. We have a unique opportunity. here. We got to work really, really, really hard. And then when he's 35, he could, you know, take his foot off the gas a little bit. That's all. That actually, though, that is the, that's his version of the you play ball like a girl.

You're like, this, this cable, and this should be USBC, and he's just like, he's a lazy he wins. Why does he win? Oh, just because that's soul crushing. What? What is? Lazy. I'm saying, like, you know,

no, cable configuration wrong. I don't, I don't think that, I don't think I'm lazy. I think that, like, I can see the fact that I could 100,000% work harder. And if he was in my shoes, he would 100% be working harder than I am. But I'm not disappointed with the progress that we've made. I think we're doing a really good job.

And I do work hard. And so, like, I don't feel incomplete. I actually feel very satisfied with my level of work and my contributions. Did you see how I just wizarded you guys like a wizard? No, I didn't see that. Okay. So you crept on him.

Yeah. And then you crept on him. And all I did was like, man, you were better at your crapping. And you were like, no, no, no. Then you defended him and he defended you. and you guys have made up. Well, we've never been at odds.

But this is not like a new thing. No, but what I'm saying is see, just that's the thing, right? Because you ask about being difficult to work with insiders, outsiders. You crept on him, he crept on you. And then I threw my lot in with him and you immediately defended him. Well, I don't want you to start team. I don't want you to start attacking him. No, that's the point.

That's how you should be. That's how I know you two guys. That's loyalty, right? But to the outside of like, how could you guys say that about each other? But if someone else comes in, you're going to defend your bully. You're going to defend your death. Oh, we sit far worse about each other. And then people think it's serious. So we scale back on it. We're like have joking. Is it's almost impossible to be so close when we're traveling to Dallas. And even yesterday, Graham was like, hey, we're doing a hotel. Do you want to share room? And we can save the money. And we could save. Two beds. Like we're still like at that spot. Not necessarily like financially. I'm just saying we're still at that spot. We're like we're comfortable enough to be like, like we travel all the time. We spend all this time together. It's impossible for us. It's impossible for us. We could save like 250 box because we're getting in at 1 a.m. We're just waking up in the morning.

We could save like 300 bucks just for going to bed. My best friend who works for me, he's like my other, it's the first time I've had other comedy writers because I had to write every single sketch that you guys have seen for a very long time. And I've known him since I was 12. And I love him. He's very much like a brother to me.

We used to share rooms, but his snoring, it sounds like he's actually dying, like physically dying. Like the snore gets really loud like And then stopped. Apnea, right? He swears that it's not. It is.

That's sleep apnea. So I was like, we can't do the same room anymore because I just wasn't able to sleep because I was worried about my friend dying. So you two are a cute couple. Thanks. Anything else? You say his priorities out of whack.

Is that as far as him like, I know working, but would you like to see him? Because you have a family. Would you like to see him find a lady? What kind of lady do you think he needs? I don't know. I don't know. The same page there.

Yeah, we're on the same page. Part of me thinks he should wait a little longer. So he's 28, I think by the time he's like 30. What? I'm 27. I'm 27. You're going to be 28 in like a month and a half. Okay.

So I think if he waits to 30, I think the person he could get today, you can get an even better person in two years. How? I think Jack, focusing that time on his career is going to elevate and expand him in other ways that I think will benefit. No, it's, I think it's true. He's going to be more attractive to a woman because he'll be wealthier and more successful. Sure. But I mean, is that not a... Oh, no, but that's considered a horrible misogyny

and it's right now. And they're like, people will say that reeks of mass here's the thing. I also think, because I knew myself in my 20s, my priorities, everything has changed dramatically by the time I was 30. And so I feel like you just solidify who you are as a person. You really know what you want, what's important. I think it helps. Yeah.

I've pretty much always been the same. You want me to tell you those quick stories of how I became conservative? Okay, a couple of them. One was I had a communist drama teacher. and she at one point said that we should give all the money back to Native Americans. I've told a story on my show. And I had just come from history class in Quebec. The primary ones were the Algonquins and the Iroquois.

And we should give all the land back to Native Americans. I said, well, which ones? And she's, well, which ones? Because we were at war with each other. And she goes, that's just so right wing. Didn't know what it meant. I was 11 or 12. I went home to my dad.

I said, what does it mean, right wing? He said, who said that? I said my communist drama teacher. he said, oh, well, this is what it means. And he explained to me the political spectrum. And I said, okay, I'm that. And I went back the next day. And I said, by the way, I'm right wing and I don't want to give the land back.

And she was like, oh, she went absolutely nuts. The other one was I learned about nuclear disarmament. I had a teacher saying, you know, nuclear disarment is what we need to do. And I was a kid. And I didn't have all the information. I said, well, what is that? She said, well, nukes can destroy the world X times over. I said, okay, that's terrible.

She said, yeah. So we need to disarm. I said, okay, so how do we do that? She said, well, America needs to get rid of its nuclear arsenal. I said, okay. And then everyone else is going to? And she said, well, you know, hopefully. I said, no, but there's like an agreement that everyone would do it.

Because you said, America should get rid of them. She said, yeah, I said, what other countries have nuclear weapons? And I remember her answer, like Russia, China, and she said France, because that stuck out to me. I said, okay. So Russia, China, and France, after the United States gets rid of all their nuclear weapons, they will get rid of theirs too? She said, well, hopefully. I said, this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life.

That made me conservative. Those two things were the starting point where I was like, this is ridiculous. And then I got my first checks and my dad explained to me how taxes work. But just as a kid, I was like, what? It just defied logic. And I've been right-leaning ever since. See, I've always been fiscally conservative, socially liberal. I don't-

Okay, Dave Rubin. It's true. I don't care what people do. If it doesn't affect me directly. I really don't care. But when it comes to when I see like owing tax, I huge tax bill coming up in a week. And I'm just thinking, oh, my gosh,

it's all this stuff that it just gets wasted on. And I'd love more accountability when it comes to that. Yeah. And when I see some spending or when I pull a permit to build something and I see, where's that money going? Yeah. It's gone. Going to fund some transgender Sesame Street and Yemen through an NGO.

It's not even that. It just, it funnels through these different things. And then by the time it lands and it's like a penny goes in the final resting spot of that dollar. I used to be that way until you realize that they're inextricably tied, that the overspending and all the social programs and social justice, that comes with a godless view of government without the original parameters. And it will never be fixed until we say this is the legitimate purview of government as identified by the founders, a deeply Christian nation.

Otherwise, you're going to end up funding LGBTQ drag shows in Iraq. It just seems like both sides equally spend money they don't have just because it's not their money and they could keep doing it. Yeah. Well, that's my definition of political corruption. I know that I think we kind of glanced past that. But yeah, it's not just about embezzling money or growing your portfolio. It's promising a constituency, promising them ill-gotten gain at the cost of someone else because it's immoral. It's in any other scenario illegal.

it's never considered charitable to take someone's money and give it to someone else when it's not yours, but it's the fastest way to guarantee a baseline voter base. And I think that is the definition of political corruption. I'm going to take from him to give to you. What do you think the tax rate should be? When does it cross the line from like taxes to just, that's theft? If you were going to do it in a data-driven way, you could look at Hauser's law. And that shows us as far as pretty much total tax revenue collected, right?

There's a curve where it actually doesn't change. It's been pretty consistent. I think the numbers between 16 and like 21%, and the revenues, regardless of what you tax as far as income, end up being pretty comparable. So there's a curve, if you were to look at it data-wise, where there's a point of diminishing returns. We could just start and pick there.

Morally, I would say 10%, but that's a conversation for another day. Would you support a flat tax? Yes. Do you think that could ever happen? Probably not, because it's too easy to buy votes by promising to rob Peter to pay Paul. But, yeah, I think. I think that makes sense.

I absolutely think it's what would be fair and what was considered reasonable for a very, very long time. Yeah. I would love to see just a flat 15 to 20 percent tax. Like, no brackets. Just everyone pays the same. If you make 100 bucks, you pay the same as 100 million. Maybe you could argue capital gains is, you know, a few percent below because that money's already been taxed. Just something flat.

I would love the tax code to be able to fit on 10 pieces of paper. No, I agree. You know what? Okay. Call it a 15 percent flat tax with a very, very few writeoffs and loopholes. There you go. Easy. It's not going to happen.

And that's one where you could say it's not going to happen because of both sides. That's where I would agree. I hate the both sides, man. But I guess I should be wearing patchouli and a piece symbol. But in that case, too many people stand the game from that entire industry. Yeah. All right. So we have a tier list.

Just go ahead and give us your general thoughts on the people on this list and then put them, highest ranking is S, lowest ranking is F. Do you want to do it with the actual mouse cursor? Yeah. Yeah. Just click on it and drag it. Okay. So here's my question.

Is this tier list based on, um, my support for them, how much I agree with them, or how effective they are at, you know, their chosen endeavor. I would like just say it's general broad thoughts about that as that person as an individual. Yeah, I can't do that because so the problem is you have people in there who are conservative who aren't. So I don't want to just put them down there because I don't share their views. So it would be at their chosen field of working. By the way, it's not all the same thing.

So as far as, okay, let me give you the easy ones right off the bat. Joe Rogan would be S list because he was a pioneer. I remember watching, sorry, I'm doing it, I'm reaching across here. I remember watching him from my then high school girlfriend's den when he had a show and he called Carlos Mencita task. And by the way, he referenced two inspirations for writing comedy, Dave Chappelle and Nick DiPaolo. Nick DePaolo's on the show all the time. He's one of the best comedians working, funniest man alive. AOC F tier because she's Bernie Sanders.

I'll go, you know what? I'll go C tier because he's done this, he's at a pretty effective job. He needs to maintain the lie. He needs to convince people that he's a man of the people, even though he has three houses. Now, you know, one house, you're doing pretty well. Two houses is luxury.

Three houses, nobody needs that, and you certainly don't get to be a socialist. Ben Shapiro, Ben Shapiro would definitely be a tier at his, again, I disagree with him on a whole lot, but at his chosen endeavor and taking, sort of picking his spot, and being adjacent to businesses and then playing a role so that they become major revenue

generators and also playing a role in that. Okay, he's good at that. Charlie Kirk, you just have to say, because there's no answer that would be even acceptable, even though I like Charlie Kirk, but if I put him anywhere else, someone's going to be really mad. Bill Maher, F-tier, because Bill Maher has never been funny accidentally,

and he's ripped off at least three or four jokes from myself, and I never made it onto his show because his call screener. you know, didn't like, I'm not the intellectual titan of Tommy Lorenner, S.E. Cup, but I really wanted to be on his show. Candice Owens. Oh my gosh. She, here's a thing. If you're going to talk about being educated politically or adding value to the cultural dialogue, it would be F. If you're going to grade her based on what she is seeking to achieve, which is like, be the next Oprah. And she's basically created a whole new market, like 80% of her viewership is, you know, stay at home true crime moms, not political.

She's been pretty effective at that and she's been pretty effective at whitewashing that she was a career long liberal and, you know, very pro-Israel and went and visited the wall. So I'll put her on S-tier because she has created a whole new market. Destiny, I don't, he's just kind of someone I ignore, so I'll just put him right there next to Bernie. Don Lemon, you know what? He deserves F-tier because he's the worst, but he's just so fun to beat up.

And I don't mean physically that, you know, he's brought me some enjoyment. in my life, Don Lemon. So I'm going to put him right there on, I'll put him on D. Elon Musk. Well, it's pretty hard to take the richest man alive and put him as anything other than Estier, even though, you know, I disagree with him on a whole lot. And someone that powerful could always potentially be the Antichrist.

I'm not saying for any specific reason. It's just always potential. Gavin Newsom. Oh, my gosh. Gavin Newsome. Pretty effective at what he does because his state is awful. But for some reason, people think that he's actually passable. governor. Hassan Piker, again, is just kind of someone that I generally ignore, but I'm going to put

him on F tier because people died while he was there doing that whole concert shindig in Cuba, and it caused a power outage at the local hospital. J.D. Vance, I will put on B. Don't know enough about him yet, but I like what I see. I still have some concerns of them. Jordan Peterson definitely should go A tier. I hope he gets better. And I hope that his, you know, his issue with his family clear up. I mean, I hope his health issues that he's going through with his family. There's nothing wrong with his family, to be clear. And he's been on the show,

he was on the show before he ever appeared in the States because I knew him from Canada. Really, really good guy. Matt Walsh. I mean, I don't know if I put him on B tier. I mean, I guess B tier, because he's not as big as Ben Shapiro and doesn't have, like, the equity stake in it,

but he's obviously a very popular show. I agree with most of what he says. Megan Kelly. Hmm. That's a tough one, because she went from advocating transing children to, you know, now being right leaning. And so I just never really know where she lines up.

And she also doesn't employ herself. She's still kind of consistently been an employee. So I'll put her on B tier. Nick Fuentes, again, if the standard here is how effective are they in their chosen endeavor, whether you like him or not. And for the longest time, I really, really, really did not like him. And I disagree with him on a whole lot. He chose to be an outsider.

and did it his own way, and he will stand and defend his views with anyone who will host him. So I'm going to give him, you know, but he, you know, he hasn't, he hasn't reached the level that he would like to still give him A tier. Barack Obama, a D-tier, diversity higher. Pierce Morgan, I'll put him as a C,

you know what, I'll put him. I'll put him as a B because he's chosen to be the, you know, the Mori Povich of YouTube. And at that, he's really good. Donald Trump Um gosh immigration S tier

the rest of his presidency B so I'll take Donald Trump and I will put him honestly probably at a B tier at this moment in time if it was just his first term A tier the first three years it remains I will and a bet that he's probably going to

be up there at a tier at some point Tucker Carlson um which Tucker Carlson the Fox News Boatai Libertarian Tucker Carlson Tucker Carlson today. Hmm.

I mean, I will say this. As far as hosting people and completely evading anyone who would hold him to account or challenge him in any way, shape, or form, you know, like a champion who ducks tough fights, Tucker Carlson is A tier, because it's really easy to beat up on Ted Cruz or Huckabee.

Or sorry, S-tier. I put him on S-tier. As far as hosting a show and making it, again, erasing your past, where if people look to go, well, this is remarkably inconsistent, and avoiding hosting anyone who would actually be,

hold your feet to the fire. That's what he's chosen to do. It's what is most beneficial to him. And he's also, by the way, a good host. There's a reason he's done it for a very long time. I mean, he was at CNN and that felt and he was at NBC and then, you know, Fox News weekend, Fox News. The guy, I will say this, like Nick Fuentes, the guy is a survivor. And I do have to give him that credit. After he went through and his texts were leaked that he hated Trump, that he despised the Trump votership and he's, you know, his elitist came out. He's managed to stick around and be pretty effective with it. Doesn't mean that I agree with him, but, you know, I have to respect what he's done. So, cool. Thank you so much. I didn't expect to do that with the mouse

pad and stuff. That was fun. Yeah. You should make a video like that. I really think he had tierless do so well. People love them. They love them. Yeah, I know people like tier list. But then there's so much crap of the other guys who's like, S tier, B, tier with no explanation. You're like, well, why am I watching this? But you could, you could do that for like an hour. And you can talk like over everyone and give examples, people would love that up. Yeah. Love it. I will say as far as hosts you guys right now. A minus tier. Really?

I was worried we didn't do a great job today because I felt we bounced, we bounced around. I'll take a tier. Okay. Yeah, I definitely would. I think that you guys know to get to S tier, it's going to be like your name needs to be synonymous in the, you know, you need to be like the guys in the finance space. But I do think you're pretty good. I think you two work really well off of each other.

Thank you. Thanks. Cool. And I really appreciate it. No, I said, I usually don't like, like, I know it's pretty evasive. I don't usually do a lot of other programs. Yeah. but also laying the brain really speaks highly of you.

And you're two, thank you, you're two decent guys. I hope you find a lady. Hinge, probably not the best place. Where is? Grindr. Church.

But you're Jewish. Synagogue. I don't go to, I'm like ethnically Jewish, but I'm not, you know, Mom's Jewish. All right. Then accept Christ and church. I've been to church. You would do the first half.

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I'm fine with it. Thanks, guys. Until the next time. I would argue the negative data if you're a first-time homebuyer is good. It's bad if you're an existing owner. What if you are wrong? I'm not going to lie. I am pulling for a national home price crash.

New home construction, that's down, while the cost of those homes and most everything else these days is up. What does this tell you about the greater U.S. economy? Existing home sales are around $4 million. That's about what they were in 2008, 2009 during the worst financial crash in 80 years. The gap between what home buyers need to earn and what they actually make has never been wide. What out of everything you've seen in the past three months is the most surprising thing? Someone bought a house for 500? It's now 400.

You know, we were told that that's like not possible. Who should buy a house and who should not? So for the vast majority of people in the U.S., be very careful if you're buying. Property is fine, except it's pretty darn expensive by historical standards. I don't think we're going to see entire markets go down 65%. I think we'll see entire markets go down. that I mean that would be insane yeah