The Iced Coffee Hour - "I Just Lost Everything" - How Togi Made (And Blew) $10,000,000 In 90 Days

Starting point is 00:00:01 This episode is brought to you by Defender. With a towing capacity of 3,500 kilograms and a waiting depth of 900 millimeters, the Defender 110 pushes what's possible. Learn more at landrover.ca. There's a 90% chance that I win, and there's a 10% chance that I'm fully devastated. Oh my God. Sometimes I watch myself on stream back, and I'm like, what the f is wrong with you? Coward!

Starting point is 00:00:30 It's my cross! You bitch! What's the most money you've ever lost in a single night? I lost $200,000 last night. Well, it's like easy come, easy go, you know. Like, the most I ever made was $2 million something in, like, 48 hours. This is the greatest gambling one of all time. This is already, I don't need to do anything.

Starting point is 00:00:46 How would you rate your finances 1 to 10? 10, 100%. If you looked at a chart of my finances, it would be outperforming Warren Buffett. There's no saving, though. You don't save at all. I save in the sense of I spent $100,000 on this watch and I can sell it for probably $80,000. Now, what about the idea of saving and investing on the side?

Starting point is 00:01:06 What the fuck am I going to do with $100 million when I'm 70 years old? I'm entering the dangers. Do you think you're addicted to gambling? I don't think gamblers and honors has ever said a beast like me. Togi, Shane, thank you so much for coming on the ice coffee hour. I've got a question for you. Why do people call you the evil Sam Sulloch? Well, dude, it's like he's just the exact opposite of me.

Starting point is 00:01:34 Doesn't go out, doesn't talk to nobody, but we're both jacked. We both love the gym. Like, at our core, we're gym bros, but I also embark on he's getting an engineering degree, and I'm getting a degree in like whatever. So it's the complete opposites, but we're both like two of the bigger fitness influencers. I was researching for this podcast as I was driving from Vegas to L.A., and I watched you for probably eight hours. Like, no joke.

Starting point is 00:02:00 Eight hours? I started at your first video and made my way through. Holy crap. First of all, they're good videos. They're really addicting. And it was interesting meeting you in person because I had this idea that you would come in like really over the top.

Starting point is 00:02:14 He was honestly horrified. He was like, he's like, how many people do you think he's going to show up with? Do you think he's going to break something when he comes to the house? I'm like, dude, like, I don't think he's going to do any of that. A lot of people think I got this whole, like, almost like a rock star persona because I got like these change and this crazy lifestyle. But I'm the most regular kid ever, just a college dude.

Starting point is 00:02:33 I have five friends, maybe. And I kind of, like, I don't do collabs. It's just me. and then yeah, live the camera woman. Well, we have a video that we wanted you to give your opinion on. We filmed with Greg Doucette recently. Here we go. Let me see it again.

Starting point is 00:02:48 If you could delete one influencer off the internet forever, who would it be? Man, the worst one. I think we're going to go with Togi. Wait, why? Because he's promoting gambling, recreational drugs, and he's almost created a paradigm shift in thinking that promoting and glorifying drugs is cool. This is a lot of power.

Starting point is 00:03:07 can go and meet people and people know who he is. And everyone wants to be like toky. Do you know what I'm going to do now? I'm going to take a bunch of steroids. Yeah, dude, Greg don't mean that. He's just saying that to protect his brand. Greg loves the toky clips. I'm telling you guys, Greg Doucette loves that.

Starting point is 00:03:20 Behind the scenes, Greg is a gambler. I don't know if he does drugs, but Greg parties, he gambles. This is exposing Greg Doucette right here. But a lot of people take on the internet with the idea of, I want to make a positive impact. I'm an influencer. Like, that's what I do is I influence. And so everyone that posts on YouTube,

Starting point is 00:03:36 you're just titled, influencer, which is not what I am. I'm just an artist. Like I entertainer. I make art and they're just fun to watch. It's not like you watch my video and you're like, damn, I should go take a bunch of trend. When I started doing social media, a lot of people fall into the trap of being a character. I can't talk about this because brand risk. I can't talk about that. But I never wanted to be a slave to my own persona. Yeah. So it's just like, I'm just going to do a hundred percent authentic to myself. And then hopefully that catches enough attention just being myself. And then I never, then it's easy because I'm never filming a video and I'm like, oh, I got to do this.

Starting point is 00:04:08 It's always like, it's exciting. I get to do what I love to do. Were you always a wild kid growing up, like doing stunts? Yeah, but everyone is. You know, that's why people like to watch my stuff. I feel like there's a huge percentage of college students that are just like me and they can just really resonate with like, oh yeah, yeah. Like, realistically, I'm, people call me like to my friend group because they'll go on a bender for 14 days. They're twice as, they'll drink twice as much.

Starting point is 00:04:34 as me. And I'm always like, no, like, I can't have too hung over. Like, I don't want to do that. To a lot of, um, the older people, like Greg Doucette, it's like a kind of a newer culture, I guess. And they, see that. They're like, this is crazy. But it's normal. Everyone does like this. So what age do you become old? 35. How old are you? 35. I just turned 35. I just turned. I just turned. I just turned. I'm like on the cuts. People been telling me that, uh, they feel like during their prime 30 to 40. So what I really liked going slightly off topic on this, your road to 10 million challenge was to $10 million, I believe what, 30 days initially.

Starting point is 00:05:08 What was the craziest thing that you did for money? The painting that I sold, did you see the painting? Yeah, I did. I had a feeling like that it was going to sell for a reasonable amount of money, but ended up, I got $146,000 for that painting took me eight hours. And it just like blew my mind that somebody was willing. And there was a ton of bids, like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of bids. That was definitely the most bizarre way of making money, but it was only $150K.

Starting point is 00:05:30 The most profitable was oddly enough online slots, which odds-wise, like RTP if you're going to crunch the numbers, that was like crazy lucky. Actually, when I started the road to 10 million, the joke was that I was planning on just losing like $5 million, because that's usually how it goes. But then I first stream Road to 10 million, I accidentally made like a million and a half dollars. I guess we might as well try and make 10 million now. The joke is ruined. And it's also way cooler to make 10 million. Why 10 million? Well, hold on. Did you have five million to lose? No, no, no. It would have been debt. You would have gone in debt. Yeah, but it's cool, dude, because it's like, the debt to the casino is no problem because it's like...

Starting point is 00:06:08 So you borrow from Rubet? Yeah, I borrow from Rubet and the casinos in Vegas. And what rate you borrow it at? Well, since I work for Rubet, they give me zero percent interest. That's why it's cool because it's like, I owe you five million and it's like, I'll get to it, guys. You know what I mean? But you still owe them the money, even though it's zero percent interest. So they're not forgiving this.

Starting point is 00:06:30 No. But it's cool. How is that cool? Because, dude, it's like, it's a lot of money. I'm 22 years old. I have a long time. And my income is like reasonably high for my age. So I have a long time to figure my shit out.

Starting point is 00:06:44 I don't got to lock in until I'm. 35. Until you're old. What's about 35 minus 22? However many years that is, I got 13 years of just like off. And then like 34 years old, I'll be like, all right. He'll be like, I'm 20 million in debt. I should probably.

Starting point is 00:07:02 But that's why it's great. Because then it's like, that's when the world gets really real. 20 million in debt, which hopefully I'm not at that point. Then you got to lock in like really hard. And that's the best way to do it. A lot of people say they were losers unsuccessful until they had kids because now you have something that you literally, like it's life or death. Basically, you have to be successful.

Starting point is 00:07:21 And if you're in huge debt at that age, just like lock it in. I'm sure I'll figure it out. I never not figured it out. So you assumed you were just going to lose $5 million of money that you didn't have. But you ended up on the first stream making, you said, one and a half million dollars gambling. Yeah, I think, um, at the time I had, uh, well, it's hard to evaluate my net worth at the time because, like, I have a Lamborghini, but it's like, I paid whatever, 300 something thousand for it,

Starting point is 00:07:44 but how much is it really worth? I don't know. But I think my, uh, like roughly my net worth worth, probably like $600,000 at that time, but my income was reasonably high. So that's why I'm comfortable losing. That first stream you said you made a million and a half. That was from slots and stuff. So like after this stream, you were now worth $2.1 million, probably approximately. Yeah. Okay. And then. You decided you're actually going to go for $10 million instead of being like a gag of financially Yeah, well, I don't know what I was on, but I thought I was going to make $25 million in 30 days. Like to my soul, my core, like I was sitting there.

Starting point is 00:08:17 I was just, I'm going to do it. I guarantee I'm going to do it. I would have put it on anything. I'm going to do it 100%. And then as I did, I was like, this is ridiculous. Like, I'm not even close. This is impossible. But that's the whole, that's the great part about it is like you, if you are truly crazy enough to think that you can do

Starting point is 00:08:33 some, like, just maybe, can I do something crazy if I just try? And you really think it's going to happen and you go for it. You're going to get pretty close. Like, the end of order to 10 million, I ended up with like four something million. But if I was a little smarter, I would have never, I don't know, 10 million in a month. That's just never going to happen. I'm not going to try. And then I would have zero amount of millions of dollars. So that's really the beautiful thing about like the crazy delusions. So you actually ended up making four million dollars in a month? No, it's two months. So two million bucks a month for two months. Yeah. Did that, motivate you then to like continue that?

Starting point is 00:09:05 No, because I'm like 40 days in, I got like 4 million, whatever. I hadn't posted a video in forever. The sponsors getting mad that I'm not posting content. And I was just thinking to myself, okay, this is great that I have $4 million, but also like realistically, I'm not a total idiot. I'm sitting there thinking, if I lose this $4 million, then the video is back to zero. And then there's no video at all. And it's going to be a huge problem.

Starting point is 00:09:26 So I stopped gambling around $4 million and embarking on less risky schemes. Like the painting, I'm making a song. I wanted that to come out before the end of the video, so that way I could show people how much I made it from the song. Logistically, it's a lot harder to put out a song than you would imagine. And then I bought a house, but we can't really tell if that's going to be a good investment for a long time. So we'll probably count that for a few million bucks.

Starting point is 00:09:48 What does your accountant think of all of this? Because I'm thinking through, it's like the gambling, that's got to be an impossible task to calculate wins and losses and you wiring money for Rolexes and they turn out to be fake. All of these things. I think that one in crypto, so that one's cool. We didn't have to ever like. I think my understanding, I thought my videos were enough financial proof to the IRS that like,

Starting point is 00:10:15 okay, yeah, this is like what's going on? But then my account's like, dude, we need like, what the fuck is this deposit for half a million? I'm just like, I don't even, I don't really remember. To be honest with you, like a lot of things I do. When it's time to scale your business, it's time for Shopify. Get everything you need to grow the way. you want. Like all the way. Stack more sales with the best converting checkout on the planet.

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Starting point is 00:11:19 like, it's, dude, it's ridiculous. We're still working on it. Because if you made $4 million in a year, you probably owe like half of that. Maybe a little less because you're in Florida. Hopefully not, dude. You'll owe about 37 to 40%. That's, I can't make that. Of that tip. I cannot swing that. You guys are going to have to give me some sneaky rich people tips because I can't pay 40% I'll be out of money.

Starting point is 00:11:41 Maybe. I mean, we could strategize. That's what's going to be a financial crisis if I got to pay 40% of my money. You probably will. We could strategize later. But you did that. You made the $4 million this year, right? So that means you have a full year to offset your income with expenses.

Starting point is 00:11:59 Yeah. You're going to owe this next year. You're going to have a $2 million. million dollar tax bill so far unless you lose the money in which case you're going to use those losses to offset the four million profit but you would then be still net down money. Yeah, we're going to have to figure something else. That's not either of those options. Guess that's ridiculous. Fifty percent of your money. Basically. You give 50 percent of your money to IRS. I pay 37 plus another one to two percent, give or take for random things. But we're also

Starting point is 00:12:26 in Nevada at zero percent state income tax here. So if you're in California, it'd be over 50. Yeah, no, I can't do that. We'll have to do it. But it's not really a problem. problem for another, it's like what, like 12, 13 months? Yeah, you could stretch it. Now, I'm curious, though, because you were gambling and like consistently winning. How were you able to do that? Was there a strategy behind this or was it luck? No, there's no such thing as strategy and gambling.

Starting point is 00:12:46 So how it works is the, like, RTP is like your expected loss. And you can look at different games, like, what's the best RTP? A lot of people will go in, play Blackjack, and it's like, why do I lose every time? But if you're not playing perfect blackjack, the odds of you losing are like 80%. But if you play a perfect blackjack, the RTCHA, the RETT, you play a perfect blackjack. like over an extended period of time, you're expected to lose about one to two percent of your money. But over a short period of time,

Starting point is 00:13:10 realistically, the strategy, which is not mathematically a good strategy, but I always just raised a bet until I win. So say I lose $20,000 on a blackjack hand, and the next one just put down $30,000, and you lose, put down $50,000, put down $6,000, and either it ends in devastation,

Starting point is 00:13:27 or you're good and you win. And so now you're sitting at like 90% chance that I win, and there's a 10% chance that I'm fully devastated and the loss is so bad that there's a huge problem so we're just gonna pray that doesn't happen and it's never happened so yet yet but now it's like now I got $4 million and I'm definitely not paying no taxes so I can you could flee yeah

Starting point is 00:13:49 well the idea is ideally I use this $4 million make some investments and then I won't have to gamble as much like I have already lowered how much we lose that's not I lost 200,000 last That wasn't last night. How did you do that? Was that the strategy of doubling down? No, I actually tried. I called a casino.

Starting point is 00:14:08 I was like, I need more money. And they were like, no. Because I was borrowing it from them. So now I actually owe them $200,000. So you have $3.8. Yes, now we got $3.8 million. So that's good. So that decreases your tax bill.

Starting point is 00:14:18 So that's good. What does $200,000 mean to? Because to me, it's nuts to lose $200,000 and just be like, oh, that's $200,000, whatever. Well, it's like, easy come, easy go, you know. Like, the most I ever made was a video, I lost everything, $2 million. something in like 48 hours, just gambling and meme coins. If you can do that, if you're willing to take enough risk where $2 million is on the table whatsoever, you got to be cool losing $200,000. And also it's like, what is money really good for? You have security and experiences. And the security,

Starting point is 00:14:49 you can feel fully secure. You can do anything you want, 70K a month. And you can do anything in the world, everything, unlimited doctor bills, whatever, this and that insurance, everything you need. So after 70K a month, it's like this money, I might as well just, like, it's, I don't see any value in saving, like, what the fuck am I going to do with $100 million when I'm 70 years old? As 70 year olds in a super car, that's not cool at all. 22 year old in a Lamborghini, that's like super, super exciting, super fun. The ROI is way higher blowing your money as a 22 year old than when you're old. So I kind of, after my main base expenses, all that money is just like, whatever. Now, what about the idea of saving and investing on the side, building up a nest egg that would eventually pay you the $70,000 a month without you having to work?

Starting point is 00:15:37 You heard of Pepe to cryptocurrency? I have, yeah. That's my investment portfolio. How much pay pay do you have? You know, when you really crunch numbers, sometimes I look back on, like, a stream the other week, I lost $1.8 million. So really. So you're down to $2 million. Which is, we're chipping away to taxes.

Starting point is 00:15:56 But either way, that was a majority. I had like one point something million in Pepe and then I gambled it all the way. Has Pepe gone up since then? I don't know. I don't look because it makes me depressed. I got to figure out, I got to gamble and get some more Pepe.

Starting point is 00:16:09 Oh, no, it's about the same. So we'll get back in that. Wait, so you're actually at $2 million right now. I guess if you crunch the numbers, about $2 million, because that $1.8 million loss was ass. How did you lose $1.8 million? Plinko balls.

Starting point is 00:16:23 Dude, oh my God. What happened was I didn't even want to stream because I was working, well, which is technically streaming, but I was doing, like, editing my video and whatnot. And I was like, all right, whatever. I'm supposed to get some hours in. I'm going to do a $50,000 buy-in, super mellow stream. But then once you start taking stimulants, it's, like, game over.

Starting point is 00:16:39 The second you take any amount of stimulants, it's literally impossible to stop gambling. So one thing leads to another, it was supposed to be a 30-minute stream, is 15 hours, and I lost $1.8 million. He's on my cake. I'm going to put that in the next YouTube video. Why would you? I know this is like an obvious question,

Starting point is 00:16:53 but is it easier than just to say no to the stimulants, than it is to say no to the gambling if you're on stimulants. No. So it's a recipe for disaster. It's just like, yeah, but it's awesome because gambling at a certain point, it's not even fun if you're not on stimulants. Like, if you're not somewhat inebriated,

Starting point is 00:17:11 it's almost too stressful. You can't see the cards right. Like, you can't make daring enough plays to do crazy shit where you actually win because, dude, people will win 30% gambling. And I'll be like, well, that would kind of suck. It's like, because you're gambling, a total bitch. Like, if you're inebriber, created, then you can go nuts. And it's way more fun. You, and that's what, like, that's the purest

Starting point is 00:17:31 form of gambling. See, I would say, like, I would try to provide solutions, like, you'd have someone that has control over your money and you can't request money from them. You can't try to borrow money from friends. You, like, put out this mass message. But also, if it doesn't bother you, like, if you're totally fine, losing $2 million and you're, like, fully conscious of, you know, what you're doing, then there's no. It's really not a problem. Like, because I have this safety net of I'm still getting this somewhat passive income of just by having my own brand and all the sponsors pay me, whatever. I could lose my whole net worth today and it's like, at least I got, dude, one year ago I lived in a frat basement free because I didn't have any money to pay for it.

Starting point is 00:18:11 And I was so happy. It was so much fun. I loved that. Like, does this chain really bring me, like, I'm not any happier with the chain. I think if I had nothing, that's like also, I'm in my bag when I have nothing. I feel fully content being poor. How would you rate your finances one to ten? Ten. 100% dude. I mean, who else has ever made? Not whoever, but regular college kid front basement to now, I have millions of dollars. And if you looked at a chart of my finances, it would be outperforming Warren Buffett would be outperforming. That's the only dude. I know that does finances. But either way, way outperforming Warren Buffett as far as the ROI in the time that I'm doing. And where does savings fit into all of this? Money you just put on the side.

Starting point is 00:18:56 Well, it was the pepe until I gambled it away. There's no saving, though, no. You don't save at all. I save in the sense of I spent 100,000 on this watch and I could sell it for probably 80,000. So that's the safety. That's not bad. No, it's not terrible. But this is the good thing. I like anything is better than gambling, right? So if I just have, I just have, I just have crypto or have money, then there's a problem because it takes me five seconds to get that money, put it on one blackjack hand. If I, so every month I just try and spend like a few hundred thousand on jewelry and cars and then that way I have. And your house. Assess in my house. Did you, have you paid that off? Bullied. No, I put, um, 700 down. Borrowed 1.3 million. I got bullied

Starting point is 00:19:42 into buying the house. I texted my friend, the jeweler, and I was like, I need this new car. So $300,000 car. And he's like, dude, you have spent $2 million in the last year on jewelry cars and you have no houses. Like, I'm not selling you anything until you buy a house. I'm like, well, if I'm going to keep buying my jewelry and cars, I got to buy this fucking house. So he's a good friend for that. If you've ever wondered how we keep the ice coffee hour running so smoothly from keeping on track of deadlines, lining up sponsors and guest outreach, it's with our sponsor, Notion. We've basically built up our entire podcast brain within it over the last few years. And that's why we were incredibly excited when they reached out to sponsor

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Starting point is 00:22:44 and everything kind of gets shut off. Oh yeah, dude, but I'm ready for it. Like, I'm more than excited to, or more than willing to take on any challenge. And if I lost all my social media, it would be honest, I'd hit the Scheme Lab. And then it's on to the next thing. Like, I would let myself complain for seven days.

Starting point is 00:23:02 Okay. Probably just do nothing for seven days. I'm depressed. Never happened. Now I'm back. Now I got nothing, and now we're going to have to do it again. Time and time again,

Starting point is 00:23:11 when I was 18 years old, I made like $900,000 trading crypto, like super high leverage. And then I thought I was the man. I thought it was the coolest kid ever, started partying, buying cars, whatever, traveling. Six months later, I was in debt to the IRS for taxes because it turns out vacation in Italy

Starting point is 00:23:29 doesn't count as a tax right off. So it's like, I got this income from crypto, still got to pay taxes, which is ridiculous for the record. I can't believe that's how that works. But after that, it was like, whatever, we got to find the next game. And I was like, okay, now I'm just going to get famous. and make money that way.

Starting point is 00:23:44 How do you have such confidence? It's just like you seem so self-assured that no matter what's going to happen, you're going to be fine. There's so many people that have more than me that are inherently less capable. Like, I've met so many people that are just idiots, but they have so much money.

Starting point is 00:24:01 I've met like CEOs and said, what the fuck are you talking about right now, dude? None of this, you are so out of the loop. But you've got $5 million. So if you can do it, there's no reason that, anyone else on the planet couldn't do it.

Starting point is 00:24:14 So comparison is good. How do you mean? Because a lot of people say like comparisons the thief of joy, but you use comparison in a good way. Sometimes the grass is green on the other side because it's fake, right? You have to take everything you see with a grain of salt. Like a good example is that Haley Welch girl, Haktua,

Starting point is 00:24:29 everyone's jealous. Why is Haktua famous? How'd she get famous? She's rich and famous. She's rich and famous. That's bullshit. That she's rich and famous and I'm not. She got too famous too fast for her own.

Starting point is 00:24:39 She was famous on borrowed effort. She didn't have the trials to prepare her. for the success that she had, which is unfortunate. Her empire was given to her, and she didn't ask for that. Two months later, she does a cryptocurrency scam,

Starting point is 00:24:52 which was probably not her fault. She probably had no idea what the fuck was going on. She was just like, some rich people were like, go, like, come this way, do this, do that. And then now all of a sudden

Starting point is 00:25:00 her empire has entirely fallen. Everybody would take their life over Huck to his life now because she's got all this bullshit illegal shit going on. But two months ago, it's like, fuck, this is so sick. I want to be.

Starting point is 00:25:12 Hock to her. She's so lucky. I think it's bad management. To me, it seems like someone put that deal in front of her and told her to take it, and she's not sophisticated enough to say no to it. Or maybe on the surface, it appeared like, hey, this is a fun little thing we could do. It's a meme coin. It's funny. But behind the scene, she has no idea what's going on. Well, that's the problem is because she was too famous too fast.

Starting point is 00:25:32 And, like, how do you even know to when to pick a manager when you fall asleep one night? Next day, you got 10 million followers. How do you even set up that entire? Like, I'm still figuring shit out. like how to manage deals and go about like what's a red flag what should I take money for ads-wise and whatnot and I've been doing it 15 months maybe I don't know a year in that short of time you can never prepare yourself for what she had how is your business broken down right now in terms of like where income sources come in how many people do you have behind the scenes that

Starting point is 00:26:04 help you out I got one Indian his name is Sartthak he's the goat Togi real he uh Togi Ria is the coolest dude ever he's the hardest work in Indian ever. He does everything for me other than me. So the reason it takes me so long to put my videos out is because I plan everything, I edit everything, I film everything. I'm a one-man army. And I do 100% of the work, except for like whatever to my Indian dude can take care of. So the expenses wise there, it's like I keep, that's what it's cool because I get to keep 100% creative power, 100% of my money. And there's just like no one can fuck with me. It's just shout out my label desk. And then what about income?

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Starting point is 00:27:29 Oh, and then technically the most profitable thing that I do is gambling. But the safety net, like the real income is those four sponsors. Do you have any financial regrets at all or are you totally fine with all of the decisions? If I could have stopped myself from playing those. Plinko balls. Last week, I would have done that. But as far as, like, genuine regret, um, nothing off the top of my head.

Starting point is 00:27:50 Tell me about the watches. The fake watches that you bought. Oh, yeah. So, okay, I'm not, like, so far out of the loop where I see this guy on the internet, and he's selling, like, whatever, he's like, four Rolexes. One of them is at Daytona. Like, these are expensive watches. There was at least 40% of me that was like, this is a scam.

Starting point is 00:28:07 100%. This is totally a scam. And then 60% of me was like, it could be a really scream at hot deal. And so my idea is everything in my life that I do, as long as it's on camera, I'm willing to take more risks, because it's a little bit funnier. It's a little bit more crazy. So when the camera's on, I'll gamble twice as much. When the camera's on, I'll be like, if we're going to just buy these watches in case it's a screaming hot deal. And if it's a scam, then it's like, okay, well, then at the very least, people get to laugh at my pain.

Starting point is 00:28:35 And so what happened for those who haven't seen it? So I'm looking on Reddit for the cheapest possible deal on some Rolexes, like the Rolex subredder, whoever. And this guy had four Rolexes, maybe five on sale for like $80,000 bucks. And I sent him crypto and then he sent me four fake watches. Were they good fakes? What did you do with the watches afterwards? Dude, they were incredible fakes. I went to the jeweler.

Starting point is 00:28:58 They had to open up and look inside the guts to see that the movement was fake. Like the outside they're like, I mean, it looks like they use these crazy lasers and shit now, especially with like, I guess Rolexes are really easy to fake. Yeah. to be saying. So after, I think the watches are just at my crib. Really? Yeah. Give them away.

Starting point is 00:29:15 Yeah, but then people might be like, oh, I got this roll eggs and just fake. But it's also cool because it's like, I like to keep, um, that was a part of. Yeah, it's like, that was a fun little memory getting scammed. And it's like a cool video. So like things that I do over my videos, I like to keep on, I keep hold of most of the stuff that was involved in all of it. At what point do you think you're going to want to have like a nest egg? Like what?

Starting point is 00:29:37 Savings? Yeah. I've never thought about that in my life. Like, I guess I'll think about it right now. It would be cool to have a nest egg right now, but then I have to embark on alien nest. How much do you want as a nest egg? How much should I have?

Starting point is 00:29:51 I don't know. I mean, realistically, my goal in life is to have $100 million net worth. So, nest egg would be like, what percentage of it? Like, you have $10 million saved somewhere in, like, S&P or something? What counts is the nest egg? Probably.

Starting point is 00:30:09 I think a nest egg would just be like if you're making, let's just random number here, like 300 grand a month. How or 400? How much would your life differ spending 400 grand a month to spending 200 grand a month? And you get to stow away 200 grand a month. Oh, okay, okay. And then you have this $200,000 that is untouched and it just rests in like equities or something that's, you know, conservatively grows year over year.

Starting point is 00:30:34 And you at least know that like you'll never be broke again. Oh, probably once I have more responsibilities whenever that comes. Like, when did in, well, at one point in your life, were you, all of a sudden, like, you got a whole bunch of, I don't know. Like, I guess now I got this mortgage. That's pretty adult. I never had a mortgage before. I got to pay them $13,000 a month. But probably not until like 25, right? For me, I mean, ever since I was, like, young, like, obviously as I've, like, my income has grown, I've become totally fine spending more money on certain things. But I think it was originally kind of about freedom. Like, I wanted to make sure that I don't have to work if I don't want to. Like I have some money that I could make some passive income off of and I'll exist fine. So it's like what's the fun and not what would you do if you didn't work? Like having to work. Whatever you want to. It's having the option.

Starting point is 00:31:22 It's the option, dude, because it's like what like it's I would be if I wasn't continuously. That's why I say I'm not sure if 100 million is the number because I get 100 number, 100 million. I'm not going to just stop working and off because then what do you do? Like if I'm not every day or like every month making forward progress in whatever scheme I'm currently working on, I would be depressed. If I sit there for seven days straight and I don't do anything, I start getting super depressed.

Starting point is 00:31:48 It's just like, ah, what is going on here? Without productivity and something pushing you and pulling you to strive for more, I think I would be super bored. Here's what I would do. See, if I were you, I'd get five million bucks on the side, stashed away in investments that you never touch unless you absolutely need to. That is your fund that no matter what happens to you, you'll always have an income between 250 to 300 grand a year,

Starting point is 00:32:14 no matter what. You could do whatever you want to and you're always going to have a... You could go on the most... The memories, like, bro, but just, okay, but just think that. And then you could think of the planko, but you just get five million. And then everything after that, you could blow.

Starting point is 00:32:30 I think the thing is that he just has... It's so funny because we're so in tune with like, like the business and hardcore finance and like grind and like save that's kind of our niche on youtube but you're completely like on the polar opposite side so for us it's just kind of like jarring and it's it's interesting to hear like i go back and forth on air bcans for like a hundred dollar difference but like i i have to understand that you just have different priorities and that's totally fine yeah i think also a big thing is like age well like realistically imagine how much cooler or how epic it would be if you blew a million

Starting point is 00:33:05 dollars on a crazy vacation, crazy banding with your friends. Everyone, you and your friends will remember that forever. You give your mom a million dollars. That's like, boom, retire your mom. And then just like giving, I would like to just give away a million dollars to strangers on the street because that's like, it fills my heart with joy and it's fun. Rather than like saving it, making 300K a year guaranteed, like I don't, that doesn't sound interesting to me.

Starting point is 00:33:29 It's just a safety net. But safety inherently does not sound interesting to me. It's very boring if things are too nice. Like almost, that's why gambling is so exciting is all gamblers, to a certain degree, love the self-sabotage where that was devastating and horrible, but that's why it's awesome. Because you could potentially, like my friend last night

Starting point is 00:33:47 literally lost his net worth, but he, what we left today with a smile on his face, his name is Nate Udi, he walked out at a casino net with his smile on his face. And he's actually done this twice now, which is bizarre. I've done it once. How much was his net worth? So the first time we lost his net worth was on stream

Starting point is 00:34:02 and no one thought it was real. Which is why, because everyone's like, oh my God, I'm giving my net worth. Like, this is so fucking, like, crazy. This was like, he, like, literally, he had $250,000 and we lost it on one stream. And then he went home and he was a complete out of money. This time around, his net worth was only $10,000. So he took his last $10,000. And it was like, I'm either poor all right.

Starting point is 00:34:24 I'm poor now. What do you do with $10,000? Or I can be super poor. So he's just like, I'm just going to gamble. And he lost it. And now he's like, whatever. Doesn't this fuck with your, dopamine receptors to like, because you have such crazy swings with money and just highs and lows.

Starting point is 00:34:40 Everything would seem boring after something like that. Yeah, it is not good how rapidly the dopamine gets fried. Like, three months ago, my net worth was like, whatever. I had good money. And I was very excited over winning $10,000. Now I'll win $50,000 and it's just like, that wasn't that cool. But that's just because the dopamine gets fried. But that's a problem I don't know what to do about.

Starting point is 00:35:07 I think it's only going to get worse because pretty soon you'll say the same thing. Well, everything is just like, more extreme, more extreme, more extreme. Well, I've seen that with Dana White. He used to be excited winning. And he's just, he's a billionaire. The money doesn't matter. But he used to be excited to win $50,000. Last time I was gambling with him, he lost $5 million.

Starting point is 00:35:22 And eight month period of change have gone from plus $50,000, minus $5,000 to now plus $5 million, minus $5 million. And that's just how it is. Like, I don't know what to do about it. One of the highlights was that Jack and I got to meet Steve Will Do It. And we went to Red Rock and Dana showed up. And I watched them play Baccarat. And I was entranced by he was playing $100,000 chips.

Starting point is 00:35:50 Just like they're like nothing. And just like, I, it was $100,000, $100,000. He was up. He was making money. Like, he was up like $300,000, $400,000 by the time we left. And I'm thinking, holy shit, $400,000 in like $15,000. minutes, but it's just, it's just like, no, it's just chips. Yeah, it is crazy how a $5 chip is the same size as a $25,000 chip.

Starting point is 00:36:10 It's really cool to watch. And it screws my mind knowing that that's, that's, that's, the $100,000 plus or minus, but the person on the other end of it dealing, they're probably making $80,000 a year. So one of those chips is, is worth more than an entire year of salary and it's gone in like 20 seconds. Yeah, and for the viewers, but that's why it's so, um, exciting to watch somebody gamble such high stakes because it's like, I can't even fathom. Like, what the, when I didn't have any money, I would watch people gamble, $50,000 hands and what is going on?

Starting point is 00:36:42 This is insanity. And that's just part of entertainment. Like the crazier is more viewable. What you got? What's this thing right here? Oh, yeah. I'm glad you asked. This is magic mine.

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Starting point is 00:37:13 We take them with us every time we travel. And they fit in my backpack and they go through TSA because they're below that liquid limit. And I sometimes have these instead of coffees. So it's like a little bit of caffeine, but it's not enough to keep you wired or anything like that. So I really like this. So if you guys are interested, there is a link down below in the description. and you can get some for yourself. What's the most that you've gambled

Starting point is 00:37:34 and the most you've seen someone gamble? The most that I've personally gambled like over what period of time. Probably this road to 10 million thing. I mean, the most I've ever hit was one million on a slot. It was like a thousand dollar spin. There's big bass Christmas bonanza.

Starting point is 00:37:47 And it paid out a million. So that stream I ended up. I bought in, I think, 400,000, and I went up to 2 million. Cashed out at 1.5 million. But the most I've ever seen someone gamble, I think probably, do you guys know who exposed is? No.

Starting point is 00:38:03 He pretty consistently goes to Red Rock and does like 100,000 plus other hands, but the limits are pretty stiff. Like, you don't really get to bet more than 300,000 a hand at Indy Casino. As far as I've been let into, I'm sure somewhere people do that. But like probably like $300,000 hands is the most that people like. And it's like the Dana White's expensive. Like nobody does. What does it feel like to win a million dollars?

Starting point is 00:38:23 Oh, well, this is, at the time I was doing so much that I don't actually remember it. I just had to watch a video back and was like, holy shit. It was, that's why it's in, that video went so viral because it's such a captivating story. I was doing so many drugs at that period of my life that it was, I was in Mexico doing a ton of and I don't, the night before I had lost maybe like 900,000, I don't know, don't remember it. And then when you're like taking on a bender, you wake up the next day and you just roll over, you take a pill.

Starting point is 00:38:53 Like you roll over, grab some drinks, put it in your body so that you like feel better and you continue to bend it. Effectively, I went into the stream, one million dollars. The next day I invested it into Pepepe. Pepe got listed on Robin Hood, doubled. And then about four days later, I checked my accounts. And two million dollars were just like there. And I had to go look back at all the footage.

Starting point is 00:39:13 He was like, okay, so this is what I piece it together. This is what happened. And that's why it takes so long for me to edit my videos. Everyone's like, why don't you post more? Because I don't know what the fuck happened. So I have to meticulously go through every hour of that 10-hour streaming. Like, where did this million come from? And then you look at, okay, so now it's all of a sudden,

Starting point is 00:39:28 two million, what to f'clock happen there? You look at your crypto transactions. Okay, so we put it all into Pepe, and then, you know, you can kind of put the pieces of the story together. But it is kind of sad that, like, a lot of the coolest things, like, some people ask me, like, what's a crazy story? And it's like, I do not remember a lot of the things that have happened to me in the last year, which is why I stopped doing XX, because that's, it's just, you don't remember,

Starting point is 00:39:47 like, so much cool shit when you're blacked down on Xanax. What's the craziest that you've taken? Well, it depends on, like, what you define as crazy. I've done, um, probably every, well, uh, I did, uh, I did, uh, on accident one time and then I was I had to go to the hospital because I overdosed. So that was like the craziest experience. But I mean, I've never injected anything other than steroids. I think every single drug that's popular. What's the best? Zanxederal can't mean. Cain's good. What else is good? Those are the best. Xanax,

Starting point is 00:40:23 Adderall, ketamine. Oh, percissettes. Oh, my God. Perkinsets are great. But understand that, like, that you feel the best on, the fallout from taking percissettes for a few days, like, you are in a very bad spot mentally and physically, like, the withdrawals can kill. So the better it feels the worst.

Starting point is 00:40:41 It's not like I'm telling you guys, oh, these are the best, as in they feel the nicest, but the come down is equivalently as bad. Do you worry about doing damage, like something permanent, like, changes? I would be worried, but that's just like all of my friends and everybody. It's like a consistent experience that everyone does these that I know. And it's like, okay, so if all 500 of you people are doing the exact same thing as me and like, as far as I'm concerned, only four of you are fucked up, it's like I guess we're rolling those dice. So that's a, that's, that's dice rolling just like any other risk. The proof of concept is there.

Starting point is 00:41:16 Like I started doing, I'd say hard. Maybe I was like 14 years old. So like a lot. That's what? eight years. And I'm sure, I do part of me thinks I would be a lot smarter if I wasn't doing that. But I'm not, I like being ignorant.

Starting point is 00:41:30 Ignorant is bliss. Like being delusionally confident, that's great. I think maybe the drugs banged my brain up just perfectly enough so that, you know, I'm not too smart for my own good. I think everyone's, a lot of people are too smart for their own good. And then it's like, oh, I got this business idea,

Starting point is 00:41:47 but then you're like really smart and you're thinking about all the numbers and everything's how that's never going to work. And then you never do it. Like if you just, don't think about stuff to it. Like, I don't think about many things at all, ever. Like, every day, I probably have, like, six, like, useful thoughts. And then the rest of it's just kind of like...

Starting point is 00:42:03 Give me an example of a useful thought you had today. No, today was bad because I went to bed at noon. And that's why I had to push this podcast back. Usually before a podcast, I scheme, like, a few useful thoughts. Okay. Today there has been zero useful thoughts. I can't remember the last useful thought that I had. Actually, let me think about this.

Starting point is 00:42:21 this is ridiculous that this is useful thought I thought like it feels like the last good thing that I thought was I'm going to sell this painting which was about four weeks ago so that that can't be the case maybe I thought of

Starting point is 00:42:40 I thought I should read more books about four days ago do you think you're going to do that? Yeah I like audiobooks who about the painting? Just some random fan we talked on the phone for a little bit and he has His story is that he was in not the best place mentally, and then he started watching my content and listening to some of the speeches that I would give,

Starting point is 00:43:00 and he started taking testosterone, and his hormones are now level, and his income has, obviously, they exploded. So it's so meaningful to him. It's not like, he was more really excited to support my journey because what I've given to him. He didn't care for the art. He just was like, Togi changed my life,

Starting point is 00:43:18 and now I want to just be a part of his journey. How do you get the money? It's a lot of $150,000 is a lot to spend on. Did he? Yeah. Oh, I didn't ask. I didn't. You weren't curious?

Starting point is 00:43:29 Well, I guess when 150K doesn't sound like that much to me, I guess. Like, what, anyone can have $150 that you could. Yeah, but they spend on a discretionary painting. Yeah, that's fair. But, I mean, I've spent, like, okay, an example is I spent, oh, well, Steve will do it. One of my good friends. he was losing a ton of money gambling and he was in a bad mood. At the time, I had maybe, yeah, my net worth was around $500,000, like cash-wise,

Starting point is 00:43:58 I probably had $100,000, but I sold a bunch of my jewelry and I used my last $100,000 for my name to buy him a Richard Mill because he was, he's just such a good friend. He was in a horrible moon. He was like, this will cheer him up. Nobody gives Steve anything. So the point being is that it's not abnormal in my head that somebody would spend an excessive amount of money to give back to somebody that means a lot to them. We're in such a different like 150 grand. Yeah, but I mean, look, I understand where you're coming from. Yeah. I just have to

Starting point is 00:44:26 accept that different people have different priorities, which is, it's cool. It's cool to hear about. I'm curious because you took an IQ test and you said that you are like clinically dumb. No, dude, that's okay. That IQ test was right after I got back from Cabo. So I was coming off of a ton of drugs. I think that would actually might have been right after I won the... It's very hazy, but the point being is, I remember sitting down at the computer and looking at the wall, and you know when you look at the wall, and everything's just like fuzz? You have no thought.

Starting point is 00:44:53 You're just like, oh... Brain fog, yeah. It was the worst brain fog I've experienced in a long time, so I knew it was not going to be the best. I think I could do it way better if I retook that IQ test. I mean, I agree. I think for the bit, it's funny. But, I mean, you're obviously smarter than the average person.

Starting point is 00:45:10 Like, you can't, I feel like, do what you've done. And also, it's interesting because you have these range. random, like really well thought out epiphanies. And I don't know if you're coming up with them off the cuff or if it's something that you've thought about before. Like you're like, yeah, people say the grass is always green on the other side, but what if it's artificial grass? It's like, gee, like, how did you come up with that so quickly? Like, that would be the last maybe good thought or useful. Oh, good thought. That is, I don't know why I said that. You have these like small little epiphanies that you come up with that are like really, you know. You said something great also about like

Starting point is 00:45:40 becoming successful, limiting beliefs, and having the conviction that you could do something. Most people think too much for their own good. Yeah, there are these nuggets of just great information. Conceptually, that's not that difficult. Like, understanding like a logarithm, like, math. People I don't think would come up with something like that. Like, that's like, that takes, like, a different level of, like, metacognition.

Starting point is 00:45:58 You're, like, thinking about thinking. I spend a lot of time, like, consciously thinking. Like, I'll try and, I'm worse about it now, but I used to spend, like, 15 minutes a day. and I would stare at a wall and they just think. And you don't have to force thoughts. Like everybody has incredible thoughts in their brain, but they're too distracted because they're scrolling.

Starting point is 00:46:18 They're too afraid to let their thoughts happen. And then a lot of people try to think for a couple minutes and like, that's not working. I'm going to give up a minute. But if you sit there and just stare at your watch for five minutes, all of a sudden you know, I never realized that about the watch. It just comes to you.

Starting point is 00:46:32 It's very natural for humans to think. But in today's society, all the that like makes you obsessed with dopamine or whatever, makes it hard to think. But if you spend even five, 10, 15 minutes a day thinking, I guess have elevated above what a lot of people. And I don't think my brain processes nearly as fast as like, what's that the definition of a genius is someone that can process information a lot faster

Starting point is 00:46:54 than whatever to average person. But it only takes 15 minutes of like my slow CPU churning to come up with whatever these ideas that I speak. So what's your advice to young people who feel like just the price of everything's going up, opportunities are hard to come by and they want to be successful. It's not that you want to be successful. It's that you have to be successful. Every day you, okay, I'll put it this way. When you end your life, you're either living your fears or your dreams. And the fears being you never reached your

Starting point is 00:47:25 fullest potential. You never took care of your kids. You never retired your mother. You never treated your friends, right, with everything that they deserve. And then your dreams is whatever your dreams might be. And every single day the sun comes up and that's a day that you're either watching Rick and Morty smoking, which is feeding your fears, or every day you're headed towards your dreams. So there's no, I want to be successful. You have to. And all you can do is that day, make sure that you're on the side of the dreams. It might not feel like you're making that much progress. but if you go to the gym that day, you get your meals in and you spend time, like, alone with your thoughts. That's not much, but you're on your way of your dreams. Everyone thinks, how the, am I going to make $10 million?

Starting point is 00:48:14 How am I going to, I can't get a house because it's so expensive. And then they start thinking, this is a part of the reason being too smart is no good because you're way over analyzing this massive problem because the more you think about anything, there's a billion problems with it. But if you just make it super simple, today, I'm going to. to work out and spend time with my own thoughts. You're in the right direction. So don't take it. So the problem is huge, but just chip away one day at a time. And you don't even need to think about the end goal of having a house every day. Like you have that initial thought and you're like, all right, now that's on the pinboard. And every day we're just going to slowly work to better myself.

Starting point is 00:48:53 And what do you think holds most people back? The idea that is too big of a goal. So it's like, this is just, everyone says, I can't get a house because it's too expensive. and that's what they say. They didn't get a house because whatever. I'm not even, you know what? I'm just going to get a regular job because it's f*** and it's not even worth trying. But I'm the perfect example of...

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Starting point is 00:50:26 Here's what I'll say about you. You have two really great qualities about you. One is you don't overthink things. and whatever pops into your mind, you're just going to go and do it without doubting yourself. So I think that's really important. You have that.

Starting point is 00:50:39 The other thing you have is that you picked, I think, the right lane at the right time for your personality because you're really entertaining. Like that first video you posted is so unbelievably good that it's just like you can't help but keep watching it.

Starting point is 00:50:56 Because every moment there's just like another like, people, I think watch to expect you to like crash out at some point. They just want to see like, oh, what's he going to do now? And you keep people on edge and you're really, really, really good on camera. Like your hand movements and the way you speak, it's like, that's engaging. Like, it kept me up. I was driving late. Late in the car and your videos are getting me amped up at like one o'clock in the morning as I'm driving. I didn't know I was good at YouTube. I didn't know I was good at making content until somebody one day said, oh, you're funny. You shouldn't make a YouTube video. I've never met once in my entire life, like a person that's not good.

Starting point is 00:51:30 like a useless person. Everyone is phenomenal, at least one thing, but people just don't know what they're sitting on. Like inherently, you're gold. You just think you're a piece of shit because you're embarking on all the wrong journeys, and then it's a negative spiral. You're going, like, the more you fail,

Starting point is 00:51:48 the more you think you're a piece of shit. But you just need to try enough new things, and eventually you're going to find that you're incredible. And that's what, like, I tell a lot of young people, like, you're not a loser. You're just not doing what you're meant to be. Everyone is top 1% at least one thing. Really, if you've ever worked a 40-hour week, that's not easy.

Starting point is 00:52:09 Like, you know how to work really hard, but people don't give them that credit to themselves because they're like, whatever, I only made $1,000 last week. I'm a piece. You woke up at 5 a.m. every day. I couldn't do that. You just outdid me, even though I have more money than you outdid me in hard work, you know? So everyone has something. And what if they want to be rich?

Starting point is 00:52:27 What if that's their goal? What's your advice to those people? Don't try and be rich because that's when you get lost in, you get too focused on the angle. You will get rich if you become the best at what you love. For example, that dude that, what's the movie, the dude that climbs rocks and he does it over. Alex Honholm?

Starting point is 00:52:47 But I don't know, either way, no one would expect I'm going to climb on this rock so good that I'm going to be a millionaire. That guy is a millionaire because he has a cool movie now and he's like the best at climbing rocks. I guarantee you he never once was thinking, I'm going to climb on this rock for the money. So you just have to be focused on your passion and become the best of it.

Starting point is 00:53:04 And the money, as far as my experience goes, just falls into your hands once you're doing something that you like. Would you say that money has changed you at all or that you're happier with money? Like once you get to say maybe 50K a month, then you can really do everything. And then the money beyond 50K a month doesn't add. Like, I do not feel happier because I'm wearing half a million dollars of jewelry.

Starting point is 00:53:26 But I do feel happier that I have 50K a month. I can take my money. friends on a vacation and my mother out to a nice dinner. That's the really where the money is valuable. As far as money changing me, no, I always had, a lot of people think it's like I talk about money and I have a big ego. I always had a really big ego and knew where I was going. I just never talked about it because the proof of concept wasn't there. Nobody wants to hear somebody that's living in a front of the front of you guys have no fucking idea. But now that I have the money, I feel more confident in talking about money because, you know, the proof of concept is there. There's

Starting point is 00:53:58 credibility. So I don't think it's changed me at all. How did you get started gambling? What was the first time you did that? Oh, dude, I must have been like 15 years old. I can't even really online casinos is where everybody like me and all my friends in high school is like let's bet on, well, I guess it would start with betting directly against my friend. I bet you $5 this and it's like, okay, that was cool. I was going to $10. I didn't have to do anything. That's cool. I remember the first time me and my friends opened up an online casino was one of the most fun nights we have ever had. We gambled $20, and it lasted us about four hours, and we went up to 100, down. And it was such a special memory to me. Like, the second I gambled for the first time, I knew

Starting point is 00:54:37 that I'm going to do this for the rest of my life. This is incredible. And what was the most happy you've been for a win that you remember? Gambling is best when you're broke, because then it's like you're either not eating that day or you're going to eat steak. And so it was, We did a $1,000 plinkgo ball, me and my three friends split it, and it hit a 9x. So we made $9,000. And at the time, I didn't have rent money. So I'd rent money for three days. And that was like the peak.

Starting point is 00:55:04 I've never been happier in my entire life. And I only won $3,000. It was probably, it felt probably 10 times better to win that $3,000 than it did to win. Whatever, my biggest win is like a million something. Do you feel like you're constantly chasing that feeling, though? 100%. But I've accepted that I'll never feel that unless I get go broken. again, which is exciting. That's a productive thought that I just had. I shouldn't be afraid of going

Starting point is 00:55:27 broke because life is more potent when you're broke. The stakes are higher because I don't have the safety net of at least I got to bed to go sleep on. At least I can eat food tonight. Like, I go after this. If I lose a million dollars at the casino, at least I can go get out to dinner still. But if you're broke and you're gambling, then it's just like, life is so much more exhilarating with everything Maybe it just gives you a motivation. If you have, lose everything, that there's only up. If you feel like you have nothing going for you, you have nothing to lose. So might as well go for it, do it all.

Starting point is 00:56:01 When would you say you were most broke? After I made the million dollars when I was 18, I think I owed the government maybe like $200,000 and I had $13,000 in my bank account. So that was probably my brokest. So how long did it take to recover from that? Well, I took that $13,000 and I put it into Pepe two days after it launched. And then it turned into a million dollars over like maybe eight months. So it was like eight months.

Starting point is 00:56:25 Dude, I need financial advice from you. I just always pepe. Well, you know what's funny is the reason I like Pepe so much is because of that experience. And it's funny that I bought Pepe because I would have never done that. But I was just on the, I was just like, I'm fucked. Like I am so fucked. I don't even know how I'm going to get this $200,000. So I was, I was effectively full tilt, but life, full tilt on life.

Starting point is 00:56:45 So I was just like, I guess I'm just going to put, I'm going to pick a random meme coin. And I'm going to put my entire network into it and pray. And I just scrolling through the meme coins, like, oh, Pepe de Frog, that's funny. Pick that one. And now it's, like, worth, what, $6 billion? And I invested in it. It was worth, like, $30 million. So that was just pure luck.

Starting point is 00:57:03 Do you feel like you have, like, an angel or something looking over you? A lot of people who say Togi's got plot armor, because somehow it always just works out. But also, I think that's the plot armor comes from being so willing and confident, like, manifestation is a very like the law of attraction is very real thing if you can taste it if you can see something that's so real that you can taste it i don't know why or how that works but it comes your way so i think the mindset and me being so um in touch with what i want and attracting the things that i desire has given me this like quote unquote plot armor do you think you're addicted to gambling yes i think i i don't think i don't think gamblers and onus has ever seen a beast like me i swear i it's

Starting point is 00:57:48 Sometimes I watch myself on stream back, and I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Because I don't think I could go maybe 48 hours without gambling. Like it is, I'm full on half to gamble all the time. But it's also awesome. Like, me and all my friends are also addicted to gambling. And it's like a very fun experience. And we have a very strong bond over. Do you think that's maybe you guys all enabling each other and like kind of just

Starting point is 00:58:11 making it just like making it seem normal because it's all you're around? If you were in a, so say you're like feeding for. You're addicted to crack. You're probably fiend for crack, like maybe once every three hours. Then you're in a room with 10 crook addicts. Every 10 minutes, somebody's like, we should do some. When you're gambling, it's like, yeah, every 10 minutes I'm sitting with my friends. And somebody's like, let's go gamble.

Starting point is 00:58:33 So it is very enabling. But that's, it's cool. It's not caused any problems thus far. But I don't, like, I seriously can't stop gambling. What's your plan long term? Is it going to be one day you're going to stop or you're going to scale back? Here's the thing, and this is something that a lot of people have a hard time rubbing her head around. Typically, I don't think a week out.

Starting point is 00:58:54 Like, you guys saw it was very difficult for me to schedule this podcast because you were like, you want to do this in a month? I have no idea what I'm going to do in a month. I might be in Dubai in a month. I might, you know, so I think my life is scheduled out in one YouTube video at a time. I'll be doing a YouTube video and I'm like taking a bunch of drugs in order to edit it. This was a while ago. But I remember one time thinking that I was going to die because of the,

Starting point is 00:59:17 the drugs and I was just sitting like just get this YouTube video out and then you can just get this YouTube video out and then you can so it's really like I have no thought further than roughly 30 days and then it's just like blank in my head are you afraid of dying definitely no I mean no more afraid than anyone else per se like everyone's afraid of thing so why why wouldn't you take precautions to lessen the risk of you doing oh I would like to do that and now that I have the money to do it it's easier like I'm getting that MRI on my whole body figure out like exactly exactly what's I need to like address and focus on my get my blood work done more frequently now just to like make sure everything under the hood is good um but then again it's like when you're

Starting point is 00:59:59 battling like the addiction of whatever it might be like he's gambling and you want to be healthy like it's very easy to fall into a week long bender and then you come out and you're like okay not good we should yeah run that back and not do things of that nature but that's kind of like Everyone has internal conflict, and that's like one of mine. It's like, I don't want to die, but I also love doing games and gambling. So it's like, if I could give you unsolicited advice, you don't have to listen to it. I would create a budget every single month or a week or day, actually, that you gamble. Guilt free.

Starting point is 01:00:35 And if you lose it, you get down to zero, totally fine. But as long as you create a budget without going over it. There's no self-control. Like, once you get into mind of a gambling addict, like, it's literally like, I've tried to do that. at least 10 times, I've never stuck to the budget ever once I start taking drugs. Like, you're sitting there. The whole responsibility, like, you know, you're sitting there and you're either in responsible mode when you're like, this is all fucked and I need to set a budget. And then you're sitting at the table and you don't, that conversation you had with yourself

Starting point is 01:01:08 four hours ago never happened. It doesn't exist. I'm curious, what generally causes that tipping point between like, okay, I'm done with Planko. I'm going to clock. out for the night or like I'm done with this bender I'm going to return back to normal life like what usually is the motivation for you to end those things well the 1.8 million is because rubet locked my account they said you're done gambling but you would have kept going I would have kept going um and then like the bender situation is usually predetermined right like you have a vacation so it's like I'm going to be here for seven days when we were doing the to hokey versus cobble video the trip was planned for three days and we ended up being there for 13 days because every day we

Starting point is 01:01:45 just like let's extend it let's extend it let's extend it let's extend it let's extend it So usually it's like once your body is like, it can't take anymore. I got a certain point of doing so many drinks and gambling, like you do get exhausted. And it's just like, okay, the ROI is no longer there. I can now, and the drugs very quickly don't hit the same. Like the first day of Tokyo versus Cobb, I'd probably take three bills a day. The last day I was probably taking 100 bills a day. So it's like very quickly, eventually the judge just stop working and you have to take time off.

Starting point is 01:02:16 and your brain is just like not working. So it's kind of like the tipping point is not, I don't pick the tipping point. The universe is like, Rebutt's like you're done gambling or my body's like, you are done doing all of this. And then you're like, all right, then you return to reality.

Starting point is 01:02:32 I have a buddy who has a gambling addiction and I've seen it. And it's fine if you have money coming in, but I've also seen it get to a point where you're starting to sell stuff, just to get enough money to like put it all on one hand. Like sell your car. Put that on a hand, but lose it.

Starting point is 01:02:48 And then think, okay, what else could I sell? I'm going to double that to try to win it back. And then if you win it back, then it's like, okay, well, now I'm zero again. So I'm going to play it now because it's like I didn't play at all. There's so many ways to justify it. But think about how hard he's schemed to get money. Like, he just needs to, he's like, I should sell my car. If, dude, selling your car is such a pain in the fucking ass.

Starting point is 01:03:08 If he just used that energy, like being addicted to gambling, to a degree forces you to be productive and make something of yourself or is like, I need more money to gamble. The problem is never ending. It's like you can't be, you can't out success the gambling because eventually you'll keep losing. Well,

Starting point is 01:03:27 because I've seen him up a lot of money, but he's justified a way to spend it back. Like, let's just say he's up $100,000. Now it's like, well, it's a free $100,000, so I may as well try to double it. And if he doubles it, well, now I'm up $200,000, let's go again. And then you lose it all.

Starting point is 01:03:43 Those experiences for me are very, exciting. I'm not unhappy by any means because I'm addicted to gambling. Five months ago, I tried to put my car on the Baccarat table and they wouldn't let me, but it's just funny. Like, it's such an incredible experience in memories because it's crazy. Doing the crazy shit is what makes life so special. The hard part is that I think you're young enough where it doesn't matter. You're rewarded for it because if it's on camera, you'll get more followers, more money. And it's a part of your income. So it makes no difference right now. The problem would be is if eventually you don't get under control. Because right now you could easily say like it's working. There's something that

Starting point is 01:04:19 will make it get under control because I don't have a choice. Like if you have something that is very important to you, like if I, if the livelihood of even say my dog was on the line, I'm 100% sure I would stop gambling in the pursuit of ensuring. So if you if you have kids, a wife, a house, That is so much more instinctively important to you, or to me at least, maybe other people are different. The gambling isn't even like, all right, I got to lock in and get the shit figured out. And really quick, I just want to say, when Jack and I started off the iced coffee hour, we really had to do a lot of the work on our own, from finding guests, figuring out the

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Starting point is 01:07:16 Thank you so much to Zococococ for sponsoring this episode. For social media, though, I mean, you've definitely used it to your favor. Is there a breakout video or a moment that like really catapulted your success? Yeah, I was Togi versus Kabo. Like that video probably made me $5 million for that one video alone. Like that because it made me It was zero to viral Like that was when I went mainstream

Starting point is 01:07:40 Is toge versus Cabo So I think that video probably Because at the time I was taking like Three grams of steroids And then I was taking 100 pills a day So like realistically that's A hundred bills of what? Probably doing like 60 riddlins

Starting point is 01:07:51 And maybe No maybe like 70 riddlands And like 10 to 20xes So Holy shit Like Were you like drinking alcohol

Starting point is 01:08:02 Or was it just like? Yeah yeah We'd be drinking. too. How does that not like honestly kind of how does that not kill you? Well, exactly. I think it took off 15 years of my life. Like I genuinely think that video. But it's like, all right, that took off 15 years in my life, but the net return on that. The more dangerous part of that endeavor was the steroids. For somebody that doesn't know much about steroids, like half a gram is like what people take. And when you're taking three grams, you're in like a really bad spot. Like you

Starting point is 01:08:25 better be, that's what people like the dudes that are on a stage, the 300 pounds, crazy looking mother. That's what they take is like three grams. So when you mix those two, it's a horrible for your heart horrible for your cholesterol horrible for your kidneys your liver it's just all but i don't regret it at all because i think um well again it made my career pretty much so how much would someone have to pay you to guarantee take a a year off your life oh at this point no amount of dollars because like a good experience with friends going on a vacation that's way more valuable than a good memory is worth five million to me or 10 million to me you know what i mean what wouldn't you do for money is there like a line you refuse to cross.

Starting point is 01:09:02 A lot of things, I wouldn't suck a dick. Well, I mean, maybe if there was, how much would you suck it for? Maybe you're pretty rich, though. No, I mean, there's a lot of things that would not do. I mean, there's a lot of things that are like. $10 million. I totally suck. 100% dude.

Starting point is 01:09:17 Okay. But there's certain things that, like, are morally just no good. Like, if you are really crossing the line of human ethics, like, I wouldn't get somebody. Right. You know what I mean? Assuming it doesn't hurt anybody. Oh, it just, if it doesn't hurt anybody, I mean, give me an example. I can't think anything.

Starting point is 01:09:37 Would you sell a kidney? That's hurting me. That's hurting me a lot. And my kidneys are barely working. So as far as the harm, like if hurting myself is included, there's nothing that I wouldn't do any harm to my body or other people for any amount of money. What about surgically removing one finger for $10 million? Oh, well, I mean. And you could pick the finger.

Starting point is 01:09:58 The fuck you need all 10 fingers for, bro. Would you do that, Graham? You would. 100%. Dude, the whole thing. I'm not an athlete. What do you, every day, how many fingers? Maybe typing would be kind of difficult.

Starting point is 01:10:08 Is that worth $10 million for you? I wouldn't do it. I don't think I could. I cut off my feet for $10 million. Are you kidding me, dude? This is outrageous. Honestly, at a certain point, that is so much money and your toes are so unimportant, I think.

Starting point is 01:10:23 I don't really know the human anatomy. You don't really see the toes that often. Imagine you, how many people like hard, working people that deserve money, have kids, but they're just stuck in the loop. You could change a thousand people's lives. I don't know if that math is right, but

Starting point is 01:10:39 you know what I mean? How good would that feel to do that? For a month straight, you're just like changing lives. One finger. You'd have to be to not get rid of one finger and you could potentially save a thousand lives. Or Plinko.

Starting point is 01:10:56 Or Plinco. Why is fitness so important to you? That's where my confidence is rooted, right? Before fitness, I was a skinny, insecure kid, and then I started going to the gym. Every man needs to go to the gym because it shows you that you are worthy and that you have something going on for you because a lot of people don't have anything going on for you. And even though getting more muscles isn't necessary, like super productive, you see that I put in the work. It wasn't easy and I got results. Like, it's the most linear work to results thing. And it's very realistic. It takes years to see like really phenomenal results. And so that when a kid is insecure, doesn't know what he's

Starting point is 01:11:35 doing, doesn't know what he wants to do, and just feels like, I'm a loser, I can't do anything. But then you get jacked and all of a sudden, people are like, wow, he looks good. I want to look like him. It reinforces the idea or it even just shows you the idea that you can if you show up every day, no matter where you started. So then what was the motivation for then going on gear once you felt like you've already developed a pretty decent physique? Just I love everything more. like more extreme. It was like, I look good, but I want to be extreme. And the reason I took steroids is because that's when I was really broke and I was pretty desperate. And I was like, I need to get famous. And it was like, what's something that I'm interested in has a large audience of people

Starting point is 01:12:15 that really like it that will like a video and a large audience of people that dislike it that are going to make hate comments? Like the perfect storm for going viral because before I went viral, I would spend hours watching Jake Paul videos with a notebook, not because I like, what is this guy doing? Like, why is it different? Why is Bryce Hall so famous? So relevant still, how did he do this so fast? And he's incredibly successful. You need something that people hate and love in large audiences. And so what I landed on was steroids. Like that bigger muscles sounds cool to me. And it has the perfect storm. I might as well try it. And if it doesn't work out, then it was like, I was a good journey to embark on. In my head, it wasn't that huge of a deal if you took steroids and stopped taking them because it didn't work out.

Starting point is 01:13:00 Have you noticed your personality change at all with taking steroids? My friends say, like, when I'm on trend, like, I've had to do one deal. And there was, I was hiring like three employees for a brand. And they were like, in the contract, I want there to be a clause where if you're on trend, you can't fire me. Because I guess when I'm on trend, it's like it's noticeably more aggressive, more, very irrational. but like just testosterone I feel about the same maybe like 20% more confident

Starting point is 01:13:29 and 20% more driven but 20%'s not a significant marker in my mind and what about your diet what do you do you try to eat well I have a chef so I eat like chicken rice every day like I eat clean but I saw in one of your videos

Starting point is 01:13:44 you were like all right I'm not going to go get Starbucks for breakfast instead I'm going to eat six donuts and then you go to like Starbucks and you'll get like you know 10 of spread So shots and one thing with like 10 pumps of... That was when I thought I was invincible. Like that was before I understood that death is like a real thing.

Starting point is 01:14:01 And like some of my friends have had heart failure and health scares. So it's when you see that, you're like, okay, I need to make a change. That was pre-determining that. That was, I really thought I could do anything to my body. How did you still stay lean though when you were eating food like that? Was it cardio? It's just steroids. Like really you could eat anything.

Starting point is 01:14:20 So what do they do? Just like make your body run hard or something? know how they work. I just put them in my body. And the steroids make you skin shredded without, I never did cardio. I still never do cardio. I eat clean now, so that helps. But you can literally anything. Can you go for like a run and feel fine? Nope, nope, nope, nope. I started swimming for my ankle and I swam down, up and down my pool twice and I like thought I was going to drown. I, why is so bad? Well, because when you, steroids, I do, I think, don't quote me on this guys. I think it makes your cardio worse. Like imagine if you were 35, 40% heavier, your heart is not meant for your

Starting point is 01:14:58 genetics to be pumping blood into all like your whole, the carrying oxygen throughout your body is very difficult. So I started out 170 pounds. All of a sudden I'm 230 pounds. That 50 pounds is very hard on your body to like keep up, especially in such a short period of time. Your heart is just like, what the fuck is going on? So if you're not training it via cardio, then it's like, now I was on a lot of steroids and same with all my body with a friend. Like you walk up to stairs and you're gassed after 10 steps of stairs. So I'm trying to give you a little bit better about it. And I'm not taking steroids right now.

Starting point is 01:15:31 What are you taking? Just testosterone, which is technically steroid. But it's, I'm not taking very much of it. Would you say testosterone is like the one if you want like the 80-20 rule? You want to do like 20% of the effort with 80% results. Testosterone would be the one. Oh, 100%. Well, you have to take testosterone.

Starting point is 01:15:45 You can't take other steroids unless you're taking testosterone because other steroids make your body stop producing testosterone. All steroids make your body stop producing testosterone for the most part. So you have to start with that. Does getting jacked help you with girls? I don't think girls care, but it helps with your confidence, like I talked about earlier. So that's where, like, that goes a long ways in getting girls. But girls don't care what you look like.

Starting point is 01:16:09 Top five things that girls care about. Can you make them laugh? How does the room treat you? Like, do people respect you? Are you confident? And then, like, I don't know, what else? what I imagine girls care about. What do girls care about?

Starting point is 01:16:23 Well, she doesn't know, dude. Because have you ever asked a fish how to catch a goddamn fish, dude? Right before this, we filmed with a dating coach. It was a female dating coach that coach is like men on how to be more. That's so funny because that's like what a lot of the comments on her podcast.

Starting point is 01:16:40 That chick has never gotten laid by a girl, bro. Like, she's never gotten a girl. How are you going to coach me? I feel like her advice was pretty sound. It was sound for a dude. I feel like in his 30s who wants a relationship. It's very tailored to a certain type of... If you go, like, deep down the psychological rabbit hole,

Starting point is 01:16:57 like surface level, you might get more girls with these basic ideas. But when you're, like, really trying to attract a lot of women, like, if you guys know who John Zirka is really intelligent as far as psychology goes, and his whole thing is, like, teaching men how to get girls. And if any girl looked at that advice, they would be like, this is disgusting

Starting point is 01:17:14 and also not how you would get a girl. but very effective for... So, like, what is the psychology of it? Well, like, a lot of girls would be like, oh, you have to be, like, generally speaking, oh, you have to, like, show that you care and, like, you know, be, like, a gentleman. Nice.

Starting point is 01:17:32 No girl wants, especially in my age, like, no girl wants to feel like a guy is fully committed to them. No girl wants you to be, like, head over heels in love with them, even though that's what they think they want. They want to always have somewhat of a chase. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:17:47 I feel like, let me get more, let me get more. In terms of like the magnetism, that makes sense, but in terms of like the girl being happy. Like I don't, I feel like it would be difficult to be happy. Yeah, so if you get like further, if you get like, if we're talking relationships, as far as like a healthy relationship, then you adapt. But to initially attract these women,

Starting point is 01:18:08 like you have to use like certain methods and idea that are a net negative for the woman's mental health or whatever and like they're not going to be as happy but that's how you attract them I've also previously said that wheat you believe is the worst drug you could put in your body why yeah because it makes you happy doing nothing right like the problem with weed is it makes you so content with not doing anything like any other drug that you put in your body you want to even something like ecstasy at least you want to go out and talk to people, have sex, whatever, which is ecstasy might not be the best. But weed is the only drug that doesn't really have a hangover you can do every day and strips your body of your thoughts. People say it makes you more creative, but the only reason it makes you more creative is because

Starting point is 01:18:58 it makes you content sitting there doing nothing. If you were not baked and you were sitting there doing nothing, you would be 10 times more creative. The potheads think it makes them creative because it forces you into a state of meditation, whereas if you could do that sober, your thoughts would be a million times more creative than the baked ones. But people are just confused because they don't meditate, they don't think,

Starting point is 01:19:21 but weed makes you happy doing nothing. So it forces you into that mindset, even though you're intoxicated and your thoughts are not clear. They're not as good. If you're going to do any drugs, like, what is better than like says next because it's not going to kill you. Like the drugs can, like, kill you.

Starting point is 01:19:38 But in the sense of, of your mentality and your success will make you chronically unsuccessful. Obviously, there's outliers, like Snoop Dog, very successful person, but for 99% of people, it's very, very unproductive. A few months ago, you took what you thought was

Starting point is 01:19:56 in general, but it was, like, laced with meth. I don't really know what had death in it because I was also doing cocaine, and I overdosed because I took, like, I took a gram and a half. So... A gram and a half? Yeah, I think it was,

Starting point is 01:20:09 37 pills of 30 milligram pills that were not real. Well, they were real, but they were, you know, made in a lab. And how long of a time span is that? I don't know. I think I was awake for, I think I was an hour, like 40 of being awake when I had to go to the hospital. Okay, well, what did they do at the hospital? I don't remember. They just gave me some, like, like, turn your, because I was, like, seizing.

Starting point is 01:20:36 So they just give you that, like, shut. shot off your brain and like relax your body or whatever so that because their main concern was that my heart i was going to have a heart attack because you're having these seizures your hearts my heart rates out like whatever 190 the main concern is that your heart's just going to explode in that moment so i think just by dropping your heart rate giving you i don't know what they put do you remember seizing like what that felt like agonizing the most painful thing i broke in bones but it was well i guess if you think of the idea of like banging your hand on the table, your body sends a symbol, like, oh, that hurt because

Starting point is 01:21:15 there's a little bit of damage. Imagine every inch of your body is effectively failing. It was head to toe the worst pain I've ever felt for hours. I had, I don't know, like, what the definition of PTSD is, but I, like, I get panic attacks from sometimes, like, I'll be sitting there and I'll feel like, because there's a distinct feeling that I felt, right before it happened and something will feel like a little similar and I'll be sitting there and I start freaking out I have uh I get um what's it called uh sleep paralysis that I am laying there and I think I'm dying again or like having a seizure and very frequently I don't know how you define traumatizing but it very frequently comes up in my everyday life it's less and less now that I am so scared of

Starting point is 01:22:07 something that painful happening to me again that I frequently panic about it. When you were like lying there and did you did you think that you could die in that moment or did you? I thought there was like a 50% chance I was going to I was sitting there. What were those thoughts like? Well it's hard to have good clear thoughts when you're in so much pain but I just remember thinking like I cannot believe I sacrificed my potential because my potential whatever you go every day you're living you die your fears or your dreams. And if I died today, I would be at 10% of my potential. So that is by definition, my fear is not reaching my full potential.

Starting point is 01:22:44 So I was sitting there, I was so mad at myself that I let myself slip up in like the whatever lapse of judgment and take this many. I was just so sad and angry at myself that I'll never get to see what I could have been. And then the second half was it. I was extremely angry at myself that my mother would have to live through the. death of a son because that's like the worst thing a person could experience in as far as I could imagine so it was um just regret nothing but regret when I thought I was I just I cannot believe this I cannot believe I faked up this bad do you think that resulted in the like long term permanent change in your behavior or do you think that like you slipped back to old habits after some time

Starting point is 01:23:28 it passed I'd probably take 80% less drugs 90% last drugs after that well I guess a gram I have that was like the most ever taken but now that would like really like really really inspired my, I need to get healthy. I need to take care of my body. I am scared of that. That was the moment of change. That's when I realized I don't want to, I can die. I'm not invincible because I thought I was invincible. And now I'm trying to treat my body with more respect now for sure. What about the influence you have on other people who watch you? And maybe some of these things are glamorized of gambling and doing drugs. And they're like, oh, you do it. It's not like I hide anything, right? I post my blood work. When I was taking a ton of steroids,

Starting point is 01:24:06 people see my blood work. See that. oh hey his liver is like functioning at 20% or whatever uh oh he overdosed so he's in a hospital he almost died if i wasn't showing the full story then there's maybe that's not a great influence but if you watch me and my content there's no part of the consequences that i hide so you can see the lifestyle i choose and you can take it with i should or should not do that based on he and gets this fun experience, but then also he struggles with, like, if you watch my content, you can see that there's demons there and he struggles with what, like, clearly a ton of addiction problems, but that's kind of like what comes with the lifestyle. So I think it's, if anything,

Starting point is 01:24:50 more informative that people get to see, like, truly the full story of like the rock star lifestyle. What are the demons? It's mostly the push and pull of, I want to be happy, healthy, live 100 years, and then it just takes one lapse, and then all of a sudden I'm doing a ton of drugs and like doing things that, because I am scared of dying, and I will continuously embark on habits that are like, would kill you.

Starting point is 01:25:19 That's my biggest push and pull in life, like my biggest struggles for sure. And what about having a positive impact on people who watch your videos? How do you balance that? Or does it matter? I just hope that everybody that watches my videos laughs. Like, the goal is to make somebody smile. I get a lot of backlash and a lot of, like,

Starting point is 01:25:40 support comments. And my most, the comments that I love the most is like, oh, like, I'm really stressed out about this or this isn't going well in my life. But thank you for posting this video, because it lets me forget about my problems for one hour, for two hours. For two hours, I get to escape my reality and just have a good time and laugh. And I also do like, like, if you've seen any of the book of Togi, that's my next video is the whole Togi. Talks, Bukotogi in one video. All my ideas that I hold highly in my head about believing in yourself and becoming a better man, I think everybody can do incredible things. And 90% of men think they're destined for way less than what they can accomplish. So I really just try and

Starting point is 01:26:21 push the idea and try and inspire people to take the leap of faith and embark on what you know you truly should be doing. The biggest risk is not taking to risk. Because if you never take to risk and do what you love, you're going to spend your whole life and it seems safe, you go to college, you have a job, and that's what they tell you is safe, but that's the death of you, and that's the death of your soul.

Starting point is 01:26:42 And it kills me to see my friends going through that. Every day they graduate college, and they immediately start, like the world would devour your personality and soul if you're going on the path that they tell you to, like listen to your own path. So the idea is that I want people to do what they love and be inspired and laugh.

Starting point is 01:27:03 Do you ever feel like you have to play up to certain standards and expectations of the viewers and that you have to like overcompensate because, you know, of the demand of the YouTube algorithm? Do you feel like, you know, Shane ever gets like lost in Togi or do you think these are somewhat synonymous? It's pretty clear. Like, you'll have a conversation with me

Starting point is 01:27:25 and you'll see like pretty mellet. Like you thought I was going to come in and start breaking shit, right? Like, I would start breaking. if I was on or whatever, but Togi is just Shane, but 20% more exciting, 20% more daring.

Starting point is 01:27:42 I'm willing to buy the fake watches because, like, if there was no camera, I would have not pulled the trigger on those watches, but in my head, I still thought it was a good idea. And all successful influencers do that.

Starting point is 01:27:53 Like, you really think speed is barking at people all the time. He probably wants to in his head because he's crazy as fuck, but he doesn't bark at people when there's no camera. because that's just fucking weird. But when there's camera,

Starting point is 01:28:03 he's barking doing all this crazy stuff. So that's kind of like what you have to do. And even when you see an intro of, what is up guys? Welcome to this vlog. So like, I feel very authentic to myself. But I just,

Starting point is 01:28:19 when the camera's on in a non-podcast sense, it's just like, all right, let's level it up 20%. You know, it's interesting. The only person that I met who is the exact same on camera. Like,

Starting point is 01:28:28 no difference whatsoever is Danny Duncan. Oh, I bet him for the first time the other day. He doesn't play anything up. Even when the camera's not on it. Same as Dax flame. He's still, yeah, Dax too. But he's still just like himself, camera or not.

Starting point is 01:28:40 Yeah, some people are just blessed with. They were truly, truly, truly, truly meant to be famous. Like, you as a person is just perfect for the camera, perfect for all this. But for me, I found more success in being, I found great success in being, like, totally, totally mellow Shane. But I found, like, a little bit. It helps the algorithm to be a little more crazy, a little more aggressive. Do you ever censor yourself? Yeah, I don't talk about a lot of things because, for example, talking about sexual things and women, YouTube, you can't do any of that.

Starting point is 01:29:15 It will get banned immediately if I have, like, I used to do like streams with girls in a hot tub. Can't do any of that. I'm not racist, but I think like racist jokes are funny. You can't make those on YouTube because a lot of people don't get the joke, the algorithm or the whatever, censoring. bots don't get that it's a joke so I censor myself much more heavily than my I would like I'd say my videos would be twice as funny to me at least if I could be truly myself but my lifestyle is so explicit that I would say every video roughly 90% of the footage doesn't get to go in the video because it has to be censored what about like a togy uncensored I've thought about doing that

Starting point is 01:29:53 yeah if you put that behind a pay wall oh my gosh I hate the idea of um well I'm just so busy putting out YouTube that if I like, okay, we also now are going to post the uncensored version, that I would effectively be reducing my productivity by whatever, 50%. And then is like, is the ROI for me personally? Like I would, I have uncensored stuff that's unedited that I enjoy watching myself that I think is funnier. But to put it behind on or like some random website, it just feels like the ROI of putting out another censored YouTube video grows my brand so much more.

Starting point is 01:30:30 than putting, I don't know, like having a togy uncensored website. But it's something that when I have more free time, I would like to drop, like, crazy, like all of the footage of, like, my whole career, like the craziest shit. Sometime, but for now, the growth has been so perfect that I don't feel like I want to embark on that. Do you have any regrets where you wish you could go

Starting point is 01:30:51 and tell your younger self, like, some advice or don't do that? No, I think my life is as blessed as and perfect as I could, ask for. Like, obviously, things could be better, but nothing is perfect. And that's why things are amazing. And every mistake that I've ever made has made me the person that I am today. So, and I wouldn't trade my life for any person. Like, if you could be, would you swap your life for this person? I wouldn't, because I'm doing what I love. I'm doing what Togi does. This is Togi. So, no, I can confidently say that I, as of now, have no regrets. What would you say is your biggest insecurity? Oh, that's a good question. My biggest insecurity. I, I became famous in, like,

Starting point is 01:31:29 show like where like dude even just like these watches like it's to get attention and like I think deep down that kid that in high school because I wasn't popular in high school like nobody like I wouldn't get invited place and nobody really liked me that much and I think that like had rooted something inside of me that it's like I don't want to be forgotten about I don't want to die and nobody shows up to the funeral I I don't want to not have a name name. And some people say that's like egotistical, maybe, but I think it more comes from a place of insecurity. That kid always got forgotten unnoticed. And so that's why I'm so aggressive on, like, that's why I would, part of the reason, whether I'd like to admit or not, that's why I want to

Starting point is 01:32:13 be famous, is because I was so insecure about that exact thing. The only thing I'd like to get across, at least from my perspective, since we are mostly like a finance based podcast, I would love to see you take 20% of every dollar that goes in your account, 20% and stash it away in a fund that someone else manages that you don't have access to. You spend 80%. Hold on. Every time we do this, the audience, they say, no, but Graham, you shouldn't try to control these people's lives and dictate. We've ran into this quite a few times.

Starting point is 01:32:46 Who's done a great job at this? Steve will do it. His mother runs his bank account. He doesn't even know how much is in that bank account. And that would be great if my mom just had an account. And it's like, okay, here's, because then I can forget about it. If I have full control of my money, so that is something I'm working towards is, I'm telling you, pay someone like, pay someone 60 to 80 grand a year just to control how much money goes in your account.

Starting point is 01:33:08 That's all it is. So all the money funnels into one account, they disperse it to you. Yeah. That's it. I cannot argue that. That is a great idea, but I've just, I'm just lazy. Like at the end, I should. But every time I'm like, okay, like, what's on the list of priorities?

Starting point is 01:33:23 today. I wake up and that's it on the pinboard, but making a YouTube video is always number one. So so much of my life gets neglected because make a YouTube video and then all of a sudden I spent 10 hours making YouTube video that day and then I kind of just forget about everything else. That'll be your biggest ROI. You'll see it 10 years or not. You'll be like, holy shit, there's $10 million. There's $10 million in the account. And I had no idea. And they're going to say, well, great, now it's in a trust and it's going to give you X amount every single month. Yeah, that idea is correct. It just gets forgotten. gotten about because it's boring

Starting point is 01:33:55 like fundamentally. It's responsible. That's what it is. Things that are responsible and boring to me like it for some reason I just don't think about too often. I don't know if it's because I'm young but I just don't really. Why can't you shift your mindset to think that's cool? It's cool to like save a little money and have something. I think what is cool is you think saving money is cool. I think Trembe alone is cool. Nobody thought Tren was cool

Starting point is 01:34:17 until I thought it was cool and then I was like wait, hold on guys, this is a pretty cool thing. But you could still you could still do it. with 80% of it instead of 100% of it. No, but the idea of, yeah, I don't know. I don't know why I think the way I do. Would you take my suggestion to heart and maybe like look into it or no? I mean, I could say yes to your face, but after this podcast, I'm going to go home and nothing is going to change. Because here's the thing is like you're leading muted water, but yeah, you can't make me drink.

Starting point is 01:34:48 And I even though I know I should, that's just part of like, it's. admitting my flaws as humans, like, there's just no way that's going to happen. How about this? You have my number. I'm a text away. If I could ever help you at some point in the future. Okay, I appreciate that a lot. The door's open for as long as you want it. Eventually, something will happen that wakes me up and it's like, holy shit, I should have been saving that whole time. And so there's probably going to be a phase of devastation in my life I could imagine, which I'm prepared for and I'm excited about. And then after that, maybe it's like, okay, let's get the building blocks. Yeah, listen, even if it's five years from now. And you shoot a text, be like, hey, man.

Starting point is 01:35:23 I'm talking here. I'm down bad right now. Please. Can I borrow 50? Plinko's hot to know. Oh my God. Now that I got your number and you're super wealthy, you might be getting calls. I mean, it happens frequently where I wake up.

Starting point is 01:35:37 The next day from being really drunk, and I called about 30 people in my phone number and asking for like 100-something thousand. I wouldn't do that. How much cash do you have on? I would consider it. I saw you paid back with pretty good interest to one of your friends. You know. I always made back. I always make it a priority to pay.

Starting point is 01:35:53 I get people back with at least like, I give them at least 20% every time just because it's like, oh, that was really nice of you to give me money when I was drunk gambling. I don't think the money is important whatsoever. I think the main thing is just that you're safe. Like you're,

Starting point is 01:36:04 I think you're a really cool, super nice guy. You didn't come in here and smash things like, like Graham, yeah, you're just like a normal dude. Because I'm watching your videos and they're so over the top. Yeah, but it's like so crazy.

Starting point is 01:36:14 And that's like, it's incredible. Like, that's why I think it's, uh, I think I'm the most average person ever, but I operate at, such an above average level and that's why it's like i think everyone can do this everyone can it gets me so excited thinking that everyone and anyone can do everything they want because i did and i'm literally like i know better than anybody how much cash do you have on you right now like physically

Starting point is 01:36:38 yeah i think there's 20 000 in the car really yeah and check for 100 to the casino oh wow it's about to say if you want to do a coin flip a watch no um i mean yeah we can do a coin flip Do you have the cash flow? No. I wouldn't do $10,000. You're so rich, dude. No, dude. Are you worth over $50 million?

Starting point is 01:37:03 No, no, I'm not. It's a pretty nice house. Do you own this house all the way? No, I have a mortgage. Oh, because you're all smart about it, but you could own it if you wanted. Yeah, I could own it if I want to. Probably the most I would do on a coin slip is probably a grant. And that for me is crazy.

Starting point is 01:37:18 Realistically, I do $100 bucks. Do you ever gamble? Yeah. It's rare. $200? Yeah, my max is like $200. Because if I lose more than that, I get upset. And if I double, it's just like, okay, fine, I double.

Starting point is 01:37:28 Because that's just a difference. You think saving is cool, which is cool that you think that's cool. I don't think it's necessarily cool, but that's what gets you excited. Like, I'm sure what, like, I'm sure you get the same amount of dopamine that I get winning crazy and gambling as, like you see over the year. The S&P. Grew account that much. Probably. I'm sure the dopamine is.

Starting point is 01:37:46 If I'm up 5% in a year, I'm like, yeah, that's awesome. So that's great. Dude, whatever is float in your bone, I can totally respect that. All right. Cool. Well, we have some rapid fire questions. So we're just going to end on these. Would you rather give up steroids forever or give up gambling forever? Oh, dude.

Starting point is 01:38:06 That's, you're supposed to be rapid. That's one of the hardest questions. That's the hardest question I think anyone has ever asked me in my whole life. Okay, here's the problem. Probably steroids because I'm physically dependent on them. So steroids. Physique versus money. Win Mr. Olympia once, but go broke or win $10 million in gambling.

Starting point is 01:38:24 But you can never lift weights again A 10 million dollars gambling A hundred percent dude But you can never lift weights again Well okay Can I like exercise like can I Yeah you sure You just can't lift weights

Starting point is 01:38:36 I can do like calisthenics And like workout Because I saw you trying to do calisthenics With Larry Williams Dude it's hard That's so under Like I looked like a whole chumpin I think calisthenics physiques are like the best

Starting point is 01:38:49 Yeah they look at ground I have no problem looking like that So if I can do calisthenics I'll take more 10 million If there was a magic steroid with zero health consequences that guaranteed you the body of your dreams, but took 10 years off your life, would you take it? I think that's kind of what I've effectively done. Like, I've probably taken off 10 years of my life and I have the body of my dream. So yes, I would take it. And I think I have. You have an 18-year-old son that says, Dad, I want to do a cycle just like you did. Do you help him do it safely or do you talk them out of it? I talk them out of it. I would be cool, my kid taking steroids if he's 21. You wake up tomorrow and all gambling is banned worldwide and serious and steroids.

Starting point is 01:39:24 Veroids vanish from the earth. What's the first thing you'd do for adrenaline? I'd probably get myself. What's more addicting for you? The dopamine rush from a huge jackpot win or the pump from a crazy heavy gym session while on gear? Oh, the pump while you're on here. It's incredible. The best feeling a person can feel. What does it feel like? Well, yeah, so have you ever gotten, you go workout and you feel incredible? Your muscles are tight. They feel good. It's like if that pump could get five more pumps. Like you are always walking around baseline pumped and then it's like you go to the gym and then your workout could get a workout. The dopamine is unreal.

Starting point is 01:39:57 If you could go on a crazy weekend bender with any celebrity or influencer, who would you choose to party with? Check, you got to read these off a little more. Dude, I'm like, I've had such a long day. This is the second podcast we had to it. Dude, all right, let me take over. Any influencer I could go on a crazy bender with? Dead or alive.

Starting point is 01:40:16 It could be anybody. Probably Derrizzler. You guys know that kid? Of course, yeah. That would be crazy. What's your favorite casino game of all time and favorite steroid compound of all time? Wanted buys, injectable super drawl. Who wins in a fight?

Starting point is 01:40:31 You on one gram of test or three Greg Doucettes in tank tops? I could probably kill seven, Greg, eight Greg Doucettes if I was under gram with a testosterone. Could Natty Sam Sallick outlift Togi on a come down? Yeah, Sam Cilake would get me on that one. If you'd be open to this, if we each put in a hundred bucks, and we'd, $100? Yeah, because I figured you would be in on this too. He would be so disinterested.

Starting point is 01:40:57 No, no, I'm excited if you guys are excited. But here's what we would do. It's just I would do a random number generator on my phone, one through three, one, two, and three, and whatever it lands on, wins the whole prize pot. Oh, yeah, let's do it. What's the most you would do, Jack? $200? I don't know. You just got to pick the right number.

Starting point is 01:41:14 I would do $200. Like, that way, if I lose it, I'm not going to be upset. Yeah, I mean, I just hope it goes to Shane if it goes to anybody. Oh, yeah, let's do it. Just do it. Okay. I have $200. I have cash.

Starting point is 01:41:26 Do you want me to grab some cash? I have cash too. No, we got some. How about this? You put hypothetical $600 here so I don't have to go to the best of the grab cash, but I'll get cash for the... Or is it bad luck that I'm not putting my own cash in there?

Starting point is 01:41:40 I feel like it's... There's no such thing as luck, Graham. Are you superstitious? No. At all? No, no. So I feel like it's bad luck if you put money in that I'm not putting it in. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:41:50 And let's find out if it's bad luck. I don't want to find it. Yeah, he wants to win. Don't get the money. All right, just give me a seat. Oh, yeah. Here we go. Random number-dard.

Starting point is 01:42:00 Let's go. Here's your 200. Make sure it's not prop money. I'm really excited about this too. I love this. So here's the thing. So I love betting between friends because that way, if I lose it, I know one of you has it. You know what?

Starting point is 01:42:11 I like that. Because you said that I'm happy if you win two gram. Just a little less happy than if Shane. All right. So who wants to be one. I'll let you guys pick. Oh, I won three. 100%.

Starting point is 01:42:21 two. All right, so I'm number one. Do you want to screen record? Yeah, sure. Give me three. All right. I'm one. Ready? This is awesome. This is it. Oh, my God. Yes. Yes. Okay. It was his idea. This is a fucking scam.

Starting point is 01:42:40 You know what he did. He's like, what the most you are. Let me see if that's Google. He's sitting there. What's the most you would do? And he's scared. No, it's too. All right. Good game. Well played. Congratulations. There we go. So how is that dopamine compared to watching your stock market money grow? How was this dopamine you just felt?

Starting point is 01:42:59 It's a 10. Let's go. That's awesome. But here's the thing. If I lost the 200 bucks, I would feel so bad that I would stop. Like, I wouldn't go beyond that. I will say for some reason, losing hurts more than winning feels good. There's something about losing money where it's just like, oh my God.

Starting point is 01:43:20 like a devastation, any amount of money losing. And then winning, like, I think winning 100,000 feels as good as how bad losing 50,000 feels. Does that make sense? That makes exact sense. It's a two to one ratio. I think they actually did studies that loss is twice as worse as the game. Oh, that is the thing. It is true.

Starting point is 01:43:40 So, yeah, if you lost 100, yeah, so you would have to win $200,000 for every 100,000 loss to feel that same feeling, whatever it might be. or to overcome that. 100% I believe that. Well, this is successful. Yeah. Guys, thank you so much for watching. Togi, thanks for coming on the show. Togi is very cool, but abusing drugs and abusing gambling is not.

Starting point is 01:44:03 So we'll all take that into consideration. It's also really cool to subscribe and hit the like button. It's also really cool to subscribe and hit the like button. Shane is cool. Live is cool. And also, if you guys want to see the uncensored episode where we don't bleep certain words and we keep more in. Guess what we have?

Starting point is 01:44:19 Huh. A paywall, baby. Oh, that's why you suggested. So we have a membership because our episodes sometimes get shadow banned, and so we have to cut so much. Like, a lot of your words will bleep them. Yeah. And so it's annoying.

Starting point is 01:44:33 I was like, oh, I'm sorry for your editor because I've- We have two versions. Yeah. And then I'm, every time I say, I'm like, dude, stop swearing so much. This is ridiculous. Yeah. So when you get age-restricted. We have two versions.

Starting point is 01:44:45 So if you want to see the uncensored versions of this episode in every episode afterwards and you get early access to it. There is a membership if you'd like to join. If not, nothing changes. But if you want early access uncensored without any costs or anything, it's there. Cool. All right.

Starting point is 01:45:01 Thank you so much. That was so enjoyable. Yeah, that was good. Yeah. Thank you guys so much.

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