The Iced Coffee Hour - I Lost. My Thoughts On Boxing Michael Reeves | Creator Clash

Episode Date: May 18, 2022

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So welcome back to the iced coffee hour and I lost. But you did great, Graham, and we're really proud of you. Really? I honestly do. Yeah. Seeing you out there in the ring and seeing you walking up, man, I don't think I've ever been as proud as you. Oh. I have been in our entire relationship.

Oh, thanks. Yeah. Yeah, it was nerve-wracking. Like, it's, uh, it reminds me, have you ever seen the movie Gladiator? No. You haven't? Okay. So the movie Gladiator, uh, Russell Crow, well, Russell, his character, whatever, is like, back

behind the gates and they're sending out people and you just see these people get mauled and it reminded me of a scene like gladiator because you would see like we're we're backstage we see everybody and they're all like hyped up and like really nervous and you'd see them like like people were were really anxious and you could tell like uh you know they're going into this not knowing what to expect and so i would see them leave and then you'd watch it on the monitor and then it's like a scene from a movie where it's like you see them walk off on the monitor and you look over at the door and they're walking back. And I won't forget, like, you see them walking back. There's like blood on their nose.

Their whole eyes red. And one guy was like walked in. I think he was walked in by like two guys. Like holding him up walking. It sounds like you were part. It sounds like you were part of Fight Club. So we should probably explain for those of you that don't know what we're talking about. Graham was part of a boxing match called the Creator Clash.

The main card was Ian. idubs versus Dr. Mike and Graham happened to be fighting Michael Reeves. And so he's talking about all these popular creators that apparently went out and came back looking like Warriors you would say, huh?

Yeah, but the one guy, I'll never forget that he was walked back. Do you know who it was? Yeah, it was Ryan. And I remember him being as nervous as I was and me looking at Ryan and be like, okay, it's cool that he's this nervous so I'm not the only one.

But when he comes back, And I see his face just like lobster red. His eye, his one eye was just completely red. Blood was coming out of his nose. His nose was swollen up. And there are two people like, you know, two doctors, like doing the eye stuff and like checking his pulse and stuff like that. And then saying like, hey, we recommend that you go to the hospital. And I'm like, we were the same level of nervous.

And so right after that, I'm like, oh, man. Did you just get more nervous? Yeah. Because you see everybody go in there and they're looking fine And then they come back and they have injuries every single person And then I saw Minks and Haley just going out and I'm like, oh man Because I like it's one thing to do a sparring session with the head gear and like okay Head kind of hurts after you're fine

But this is like the real deal and everyone is going twice as hard as I would ever expect So anyway shockingly I was so nervous leading up to it that like going up there I was happy. I was actually really excited because it was going to be done. Yeah. It was the opposite. I never thought,

because it was like, I got rid of all my nerves ahead of time. And I'm like, it's finally going to be over. Like, I felt like this huge sense of relief. So walking there,

like getting up on the, on the thing, it was like, oh, finally. Like, I don't have to stress about this anymore. And just not, and just knowing that it was almost over

was really relieving. And I was like, excited for this almost to be over. And the other thing is that like, everyone who walked back was like, I don't really remember what happened. And so I kind of went in there thinking,

well, at least something happened. I'm not going to remember it. And it's true. Like, I really, very little. Very little. Because you're so like, it's, I guess it's just like the adrenalineer. And they say it.

They say it that like, everyone is telling me it's, oh, you know what it was? I was talking to the trainer. And he was, oh, everyone was getting beat up. And I asked him, I said, why, why is no one like sticking with, like, what they learned? Why are they putting their hands down? Why are they doing this?

And he says, well, when you get up on that stage, everything changes and you have to prepare yourself ahead of time. But there's only so much you could do until you actually get there and your mind will sometimes blank. That was very true. And as much as I went in there thinking, okay, just don't put my hands down, back away, do this. Like you know what to do.

When you have to, it's like, it's so weird. You go into like this survival mode where you forget everything. It's just like you're not thinking technique. Do I duck down and do I like nothing? You know what I have to say. You know what I have to say about the creator clash though? I was at the press conference, which Jack didn't go to. But so I was at the press conference and I read some of the YouTube comments and people said it was a little cringy.

Now, I'm not going to, you know, I'm going to agree a little bit where, you know, everybody's a creator. They're trying to be funny. They're trying to be entertaining. But once the fight night came and you see the first people go at it, which we're, her dad and Watson was it? Yeah, dad and Matt Watson. Yeah.

So the first match is dad and Matt Watson and they come out and dad just clobbers him within 20 seconds, literally obliterated him. We knew that one was, we could all see it. We saw Dad backstage and he was so hyped up. I mean, he was like doing,

like, just jumping up and down and like he had these two guys next to him were like, just like nuts. But I think that's what, would set the tone for the night. Yeah. Like,

because imagine if that didn't happen. I feel like the tone would have been a little bit, you know, a little bit more relaxed. I think that definitely set a tone for the night. I felt really bad going into, I'm like, is that what all of them are going to be? Do you think that they strategically put all the other fighters,

like right next to the exit where everyone was leaving the thing so the fight so they could see everyone walk out with like the bloody faces and everything? No, no, we had locker rooms. So, so, like, everyone walk back there and they'd just be pummeled. Yes.

I mean, there was a big locker room, and so you'd see the people, you'd be like next to him, be like, all right, Jack, good luck. 10 minutes you would come back and you're like a different person. Would the opponents be in the same locker rooms? There were the locker room next. So you couldn't go mingle with the opponents or anything? I mean, you could, but all of us kind of stuck together. Do you think part of your nerves and the way that you forgot everything when you were boxing was caused from like having a live audience and it being live streamed? Yeah.

It was the pressure of like whatever I do is going to be seen by like, I don't know how many millions of people. And so that pressure of just how many people are going to see this. What if I do something? And then also like what if I get really hurt? Yeah, it changes everything. So like I remember kind of the kind of the first round and just thinking my only chance is to get this over with as fast as possible. And like that was I thought my only chance. But then I remember finishing the first round and my entire body was numb.

and it was weird experience, but like, everything was pins and needles. Like, you know, when your arm falls asleep? My entire body. And doing one round with that sort of, like, rush with the crowd, felt like to me doing five rounds of sparring. Like, that last round of sparring, I'm, like, exhausted. But even after that was, like, you're still, like, you could stand up and you're fine. This felt like five rounds plus some.

And I was like, I have to do this four more times. I wasn't prepared for that. And then before I knew it's like, the bell rang again. I'm like, I'm not ready. But you have to. And that's where I think I went down. You know, I think I just, there's so many things I could have done differently, but at the end of the day, when he got that first punch in, that one big, right?

Yeah, there was one big one. Yeah. That was the part where I had never been hit like that before. And with headgear, it's, you kind of get like druffled around a little bit, but it's not like that. And I just remember, it's a weird, like, it's not. not like a crunch sound, but like, like a crunch. I guess it kind of like a crunch.

But I remember like I was describing to Alex, like, you know, some of those old cameras where you would like take a picture and the camera go like that? That's how it felt. And went bleepch. And I needed like probably 30 seconds to just come to grips with like, okay, what's going on? Because I had never in my life been hit like that before. And so when you, like, I wasn't prepared for that. but when you have no time

and you have to like instinctually like what do you do? Well tag do you should put your hands like this and duck down and there's like all these strategic things that you could That's all out the window. Yeah. At that point it's like your brain kind of like resets like restarting a computer.

That's how it felt to me. It's just like okay it needs to reboot. But by the time it was rebooting it's like boom you get hit again. He's it need to reboot. So I think just you know and Michael and you know I've done my best not to watch afterwards

because it's just, I just can't watch it, but, you know, I did see a little bit, and his, his technicals are really, Michael's just remembered everything. And we talked afterwards, and he was saying that after the first round, he was really scared. And that really made him realize, like, oh, crap,

like, if I don't do something right now, I'm going to lose. And I think his trainer was telling him, you have to go harder, you have to, like, this is your chance, like, Grandma will win if you don't make these moves now. And he went in so strategic. And I think that you could see the change in his form from the first round to the second round Yes, because the second round he was like he was like a little ant he was like yep who moving all over the place

Yeah, and the other thing I completely ignored was the trainer was like trying to drill into me the closer you get to him the lower you have to be So you can't stand up if you're if you're you got to crouch down and it makes you a harder target Um forgot that but he was doing that I mean and so that second round for him his technicals were amazing. Then we talked afterwards, and, you know, and I didn't want to ask him this ahead of time

because I didn't want to psych myself out, but I'm like, how much have you been sparring a lot? Like, about a dozen times. And one of the sparring sessions was with, who he said it was like a 14-year-old boxer, but like a professional, like some world champion. Like he's going on track to be a pro.

Yeah, like some world champion 14-year-old boxer. And that's who Michael had sparred with. and I think he lost, but to be able to train at that level. And you sparred with one person other than your trainer, which was also lost. I was sparring with the trainer, but the trainer's hard because they're so technical and they're so correct that it's different. And he told me this going into it. He's like, you know, I'm able to throw punches and stuff like that and replicate it. But when you get someone who's like on adrenaline and just like swinging and,

just, it's different. So, and then the other sparring match, it's like when you take the pressure away, it's very technical. And the other guy was awesome. But when you don't have that pressure, it's just, it's different. And like, after the first session,

I would stand up, be like, I don't need to rest. I'm good. All right, well, 30 seconds left. Oh, man, I hope that. But there, it's, it's so different. I can't, I can't describe it. But, but yeah, after this first few hits, I knew that it's like,

I needed probably a minute or two. And you don't have that luxury. But Michael was great. And then afterwards he came to the room and just wanted to check in. And it was so nice. And it was like, I don't want to say he was like apologetic, but he really was concerned. And as I was with him, like I felt so bad about hurting him. I didn't want to do that.

I mean, he said his jaw hurt a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. But still, it's like I felt bad either way. Like if I lose, I'd feel bad. And if I hurt him, I'd feel bad. So it's like, either way. It's a lose-lose, but it was a really cool experience.

Did you talk to Michael much before the fight? Off and on, I didn't want to ask him any questions about his training or anything like that. So we talked, but not about that. I was asking him like, hey, man, you order your mouth, gargiant? Hey, what insurance are you? You get insurance? Stuff like that. Graham's the only guy, the only boxer there that was concerned with insurance.

Oh, yeah, I made sure about the insurance way. I saw you were pretty swagged out at the fight too, man. It looked like you had some blue shorts, a blue little, like, half-robed thing, and it all said invest. Yeah. So not only were you looking good, you were spreading a good message. Where'd you get those means? Yeah, it was actually public. So I reached out to him.

They came through, like, fast. I was actually pretty surprised, but I reached out to them like 10 days before. Because I was so stressed out, and I knew from the beginning, I'm like, oh, I could get a sponsor or something like that. And I was so stressed out about it. I didn't. And 10 days before, I was like, I have a great relationship with public. I'm like, let me just see if there's something they'd even want to do. And I emailed them, and they got back to me.

They were like, yeah, no, we would love to. We think it's a great cause. So anyway, so they ended up sponsoring it. And it was such a fast turnaround time because, so they said yes. And then, like, a few days later, they sent out a contract for me to sign. And then I signed it, and it took, like, another few days. So the fight was on the Saturday. and I think we had like a signed contract on Tuesday.

So they only had a few days. Wow. Dazed. Yeah. And then I was worried. I'm like, the thing's on Saturday. And they said,

don't worry about it. The next day they said, okay, we're going to overnight this. Where should we send it? I kid you not. Everything was signed on Tuesday. By Thursday,

everything arrived. Did they buy you the shoes too? Those are pretty cool. Yes. And they like went above and beyond, by the way. I was actually really surprised. So they said,

sent two pairs of shoes, different colors. Like, one was blue and one was red, white, and blue. They sent several pairs of shorts, several different options for, like, yeah. Several different options for, like, like, shirts and stuff like that to wear. They sent a whole bunch of towels that said, invest, public.com, a whole bunch of water bottles. I mean, they went above and beyond. I was actually really surprised it, both how quick they were, how thorough they were, and how much they really cared.

And yeah, so for that, like, I do actually, like, genuinely want to say thank you to public.com. Where, of course, I know I keep plugging in, but, like, you could actually get a free stock worth all the way up to $2,000. If you want to support them, they, they wouldn't. I was actually, I was worried that they wouldn't be able to get it in time.

And I was like, all right, well, you know, at least they tried. But they did, and they were so supportive. So if you guys want to support them, the links down below. That's such a cool thing for company to do. Yeah. Public.com slash Graham.

So walk us through your emotions of that trip to Tampa. In the beginning, all the way through to the end, how did you feel throughout? Terrible. This has been the biggest anxiety thing. And the closer I got, the more anxious I'd get and it started impacting my work. Like, I really started the week before was the hardest because I knew, like, you could count the days you know, like, oh, a week from today. And I got so bad that, like, any time Macy would bring it up, I don't want to talk about it. Just like, don't mention it.

Yeah, I'm in the house more than Jack. And Graham even told me. He's like, yeah, I told Macy's like, if you could just not bring it up until we're, you know, in Tampa. And I was like, wow. Yeah, I think I even mention that to you. I'm just like, I don't want to talk about it. Like, even any mention like, hey, so what are you going to, how long are you in Tampa? Don't want to talk about it.

Like, really, because I got, every time I think about it, it was like this mini anxiety attack. And my heart would start racing. It would take me like a minute or two to calm down. So, and it's even worse at night when I'm trying to fall asleep, but I think about it. And I'm awake. How was your sleep the night before? Because I'm sure everybody, like, not including you, like all the fires, I'm sure they were really nervous. Did you get, like, a normal amount of stuff?

I did, actually, because I was so ready to get it over with. I was so, like, it's weird, but it's like this weird thing where it's like this bell curve, where it's like midway through him the most nervous, but the closer I get the less nervous I got because it was so happy to get it over with. And then the day of, I'm like, finally, it's like, I could get this done with. I don't have to worry because there's so many things that went through my mind of like, what if I break my nose? What if I could hurt? What if I hurt Michael?

Like, I know what could happen. So I let my imagination get the best of me for sure. And then, and then it's all the, did I train enough? Did I do enough? How much is he doing?

I psyched myself out. I went on a subreddit. And I like, I read what other people said. It was really bad. I would have been better off. Well, man, I know you're not looking through

the YouTube videos or anything, but I got to say, everybody was really supportive in the comments of the fight for you. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously,

and Michael. But literally, I want to say like 99% all good. Yeah, I read a few comments and I saw, like, one of the top comments was like it takes a lot of guts to get in the ring with someone as crazy as Michael. And I don't know Michael that much on like a personal level like that, but it

seems to be that the people have known him for a long time. Once he commits to doing something, he like pours himself into it. And, you know, I'm, For me, this was not something I poured myself into. Like, I definitely gave it as much as I could, given every...

Like, I didn't want to fall behind on videos or anything like that. So, like, I gave it as much as I could, given my workload. But for someone like Michael, I mean, he'll be as dedicated as he needs to. And I just couldn't do that. Plus, I mean, skill-wise... I mean, I don't even know... I don't even know if I had done the same training as Michael, he could just be very well better. I mean, so, like, I don't know.

I can't discredit him for that because he was really good. A lot of people also said the, we're telling me the age difference. I mean, I don't know. I think it balances out. I think it's out. Yeah, that is true. So he's got like five, six years on me, but younger. Yeah.

But I don't know because. I think training is still a huge part of that. But I weighed, I think it was six pounds more than him, six or seven. So it's like he might be younger, but I also weigh a little. little more, but the weight isn't necessarily all muscle. I mean, it's certainly, there's some fat in there as well. So that wouldn't help besides just being like a bigger mass. Part of me worries that this first event was so good and just like so authentic.

How could you want up it? Because like the next one has to be better. Yeah. And I feel like, uh, it has to be better. It was a great event. I had, I had such a blast the entire time through. It was awesome. Yeah.

And everyone that watched loved it. All of the clips and highlights are like getting crazy views on YouTube. Yeah. Yeah. So I heard, so from what I'm told, the arena sold out, which is 10,000 people. I heard from somebody there that it was the first time the arena had ever been sold out. Wow. That would be really cool if that's the case.

Yeah. And then I think there's something like 130,000 pay-per-view streams that were confirmed. And there's so many last-minute pay-per-view streams. They sold a lot of merch, too. Wow. Yeah. That's awesome. So, yeah, they read.

I don't know exactly. how much was raised for the charities. I probably won't know for a little while, but... So walk us through your injuries. Oh, man. It sucked, yeah. Well, initially, it was bloody nose, and I didn't bleed that much during,

but, like, afterwards when I got back in the locker room, that's when just, I guess it just started up then. Mild concussion and some swelling around the face. The hardest part for me has been, my nose. The swelling is going down. You can't see it so much inside my nose. It's so weird. Like if I put my finger right here, it's like it gets cut off because it feels like there's a balloon inside my nose. Wow. So it's like I could barely breathe throughout my nose right now because it's like the inside is all like. Yeah. So like this part is like three times bigger than

it should be. It's getting better though. And I looked at it in the mirror and it looks like these two big like bags of blood that are like filled on. It's weird. But so anyway, it's that. And then slight neck pain, but that's getting better. And then, oh, the concussion was the word. That was such a weird feeling that night. There's so much regulation back there.

Like, I didn't realize that there had to be a boxing commissioner who physically signs off on every part of the glove process. So, like, yeah. So we're back there. And, like, they have to wrap a certain way. And there's somebody there from the boxing commission watching that. Like, so you don't stick anything in your glove process. Right. And then after that part's done, they see it, they inspect.

She's there in the entire watching. And she just signs it off with a Sharpie. And then they go to the next part. And then they wrap it in this. And she's sitting there watching, signs it off again. And then we put our hands in the glove. And then there's like a tape over the glove or something like that. Oh, oh, there's a special tape that they wrap around your fingers.

So you could tell if it's been tampered. Like, you know, sometimes they'll put them on boxes and like if broken. Yeah. They did that. like around the fingers, then the glove goes on, and then they do the same thing, they wrap it, and they sign off on it. So like every step of the way is signed off. So do they check it after? Yes. Yeah. So after the glove comes off, you lay down and they sit there, there's someone there. So they take it very seriously. So they would know, so if you cheated, they're like, okay,

let's. Correct. Yeah. Oh yeah. But then in addition to that, they also do, they take your vitals before and then after, just so they could have a baseline of like what you're like before and that you're healthy enough. And then afterwards they had, uh, between one and two doctors, check you out afterwards to see if you have any, you know, threatening injuries that might require you, because apparently they say you're covered from this event until you step off the premises. So if you leave and you have an injury and you try to come back, that's not covered. You're only covered while you're in there. So, and then that's going to be reported while you're in the locker room. Yes. So, and then they say also that if you have an injury and you're not sure,

best to wait here and just, and if you need our doctors at any point or here, which, you know, was good. They gave me this insurance form that gives me 30 days. They say, if you have any issues, here's an insurance form where you could go to the hospital. It details everything that occurred, and this will be covered. So basically whatever I would need in the 30 days related to this will be covered. How do you feel now, like the entire sentiment towards the boxing match in general? Good and bad.

I've not watched a single, I can't bring myself to watch that. Why? It's really hard. I just can't do it. Because you don't want to watch yourself get punched, or you don't want to feel the sensation that you're feeling during the boxing? Yeah, both, both, because it was so intense for me that, like, I can't watch that again. Tell me about the bell. Oh, gosh.

Macy was making a video on this and, like, I heard it in the back of like, I immediately had to leave because it's like the bell going out like the ding ding or like whatever it is. It brought me back to that moment of like just all the fear and anxiety. And it reminds me of like, you know, it sounds like PTSD. It sounds like, but I don't want to like. I think it's called like association or something like that. But I don't want to call it PTSD because I know people have it way worse than. than that. Yeah.

And I know it's all relative, but still, it just, it takes me back to, like, that moment and the fear and the anxiety and just,

I can't watch it. And then I remember from my perspective that night, and if I, I just, I don't want to see it. I don't want to watch it.

It could just be because it's so fresh. I mean, you know, I'm sure maybe if you give it some time. Yeah. You know, maybe eventually you'll be curious to watch it,

you'll pull it up. Um, but definitely just take the time that you need. There's no rush, you know? Yeah, I just, yeah,

I can't watch it. Maybe maybe at some point. What about you, Jack? How was your experience watching the fight? As a spectator, what was your favorite fight? Obviously, aside from Grams. Aside from Grams, my favorite fight, I thoroughly enjoyed Ian's fight. Like, that was just crazy.

And also Alex Ernst and Ryan. That was the most intense for me. Haley and Minks too. Yeah, that one was also up there. So all of the fights were great. My experience with the event was fantastic. I had such a fantastic time. And seeing Graham, like I said, walking out of the thing and everyone's like cheering him on and he goes and stands up there and then seeing him land a few punches on Michael.

That was so cool. I knew it was like he was going to get a bunch of texts. But like, you know, as your friend, like we all had to text you like, hey man. Yeah, I appreciate it. And I was just like, oh, like I felt so proud that like, you know, my friend, my boss. He's like doing this huge thing. Yeah. I think a big part of it also is like seeing that that that's not some, that's something that's very.

typical of you. You went extremely far out of your comfort zone. And that's something I advocate for. And it made me really stoked to see you like do something that's new. Maybe you don't like it. Maybe you do like it. But you used some weird logic like, oh, you're 80 and you're looking back on your life. Would you be upset if you didn't do it?

Yes, you would. Okay, let's do it. Yeah, that's true. And that still applies. Yeah. So I don't regret it. And you don't regret it at all. You feel really happy about it and everything.

Yeah. I mean, obviously it's still like, you know, I am disappointed. I felt like I didn't give it as much as I should have. But, you know, and obviously you go back and go, oh, I should have done all this stuff different. Do you think you could have recovered after getting hit in the face like those couple of times? I'd never been hit like that before. So it's like, it shocked me. Do you think you could have recovered, though?

I think I, maybe. But then I went on this risk versus reward of like, if, no, seriously, it's like, split second. Like, let's just say, I could. could recover. How hurt do I want to be? Do I want to risk breaking my nose? Michael, I think at that point, proved to be the superior fighter, I think in that moment, between his technique, the hits, the accuracy. And I thought, you know, I don't think I could win at that point. So it's like maybe I could have recovered, but also that would mean that I would probably dig a deeper grave for myself.

So I don't know. But I want to say that second five, like I don't really remember most of it. I think that that first hit, and I was just everything. I asked Graham off camera, I was like, by the way, like, what was going through your head when you were like,

you're like, I'm out, I'm out. I know, he's like, what are you talking about? He's like, I don't. He's like, he's like, I lost. And I was like, he didn't remember. He said. And, you know, I think that was just your instincts. Probably.

I have another question. for you. Yeah. Do you think that this boxing match will, will encourage you to take more risks in the future regarding life and just what you want to do? I don't know. I'm not sure.

I mean, certainly now in comparison, nothing else seems like that scary. That's really good. Yeah, that's really good. So, like anything I go through, like it's at the bar so high that it makes everything else seem like nothing in comparison. You think you're more confident?

That's yet to be seen. I don't know. Maybe. Jack's been sending over some. logo ideas. And I think we should talk about it here and we should let our audience help us. What do you guys think? I would love that.

Yeah, you sent over some logo ideas. I was asking Alex about this. So I'll tell you my thoughts on this. We've had this picture of me as the logo of the iced coffee hour since the very beginning. Happy two years, by the way. Yep. And two years since we started the iced coffee hour. Nice.

Yeah. So we've had that since the very beginning. At first, it was me with a tattoo that's like iced coffee hour over my eye. we changed it to the more professional one but I think at this point we want to do a more like universal branding and Jack and I took pictures together and they turned out horrible

we're not going to use that we've done it twice oh I took the pictures guys what do you know that was we also took version one oh the one of you guys take any of those photos right now yeah you should yeah I'll have to find it's so bad it looks like we're

terrible it looks like a couple we look like a married couple yeah and they're bad pictures I remember I put it up as the profile photo for like, I think it was for one podcast episode and it was up for like three hours and I just get a text from Graham like, take it down. He's so bad.

He's like, just switch it back. This is really bad. So I'll tell you, I told Alex, my, I agree that there should be a universal logo throughout everything to keep the consistency. I guess my biggest concern is brand like awareness or, I guess that's my biggest. I felt like with,

because the ice. coffee hour doesn't mention anymore like with Graham Steffen or with Graham and Jack. And so for branding, I was, I feel like my face helps with that since it's not mentioned anywhere else. Like the H3 podcast, it mentions H3, like the Graham podcast, the H3 podcast, the H3 podcast, the full send, the F'll send. The iced coffee hour is so obscure that I worry, do people even know I'm associated with it? And will that help gather more views?

Because I look at this as like what is going to reach the biggest audience as fast as possible. And part of me feels like my face helps with that. But I also agree at the same point that there does need to be something universal that looks professional that could be used everywhere. I think it would be good if it could be its own entity a little bit more than like trying to like harp on the success of grams, which obviously we've totally used and it's been really successful for us. But I also think it would be good because for like sponsors for other stuff, it's good to look at. have like a professional clean logo and everything and like you said for branding too i think it's it's probably better yeah i don't my thing is another like it's like graham's fifth channels gram six channel versus like the ice coffee i get that i get that i get that i think the ice coffee here if you

have its own logo and everything it would have a different level of importance which i think would be good for the brand i also mentioned that we were talking that graham's also in like a lot of the the thumbnails anyway yeah yes that's what people would see that's what i that's what i thought um So I'm open to it. I didn't like the ones. We'll put them up on screen. I didn't like the I-C-H. Because that to me, it's just like itch.

I see-C- or I-K. For people who are into aquariums, I-c is like a parasite. I just see ick. Yeah. I think you're also maybe placing a little bit too much significance on the profile photo. Like a lot of people,

I was looking around, have terrible profile photos. And as long as it's like you can see who it is and ideally it looks clean, then I think that's a good thing. And I think having a logo up there would be good. I don't know.

That's fine. I just think it would be fun if we make a poll. We could put it in the description and we just let people see what they like. I would like that. You know what I like with Nelks is it's just like the full send podcast black background? I think it would look cool just like a black background iced coffee hour. And that's it. Too big.

Too big? Really? When I was doing ice coffee hour clips back when I first started, I was trying to, I didn't want to use your face because I wanted people to be able to differentiate between the clips channel. in the Ice Coffee Our channel. And I think I went with ICH, right? Isn't it just like a, like, it looks like a coffee or something, ICH clubs. Because it looks so tiny. You're like, but.

You know what would be fun that we could do is maybe offer like a certain amount? People could submit their own ideas. So here's what I'm thinking. I think $250 and a FaceTime call with all three of us. So you could ask us whatever you want or we could talk or network or whatever. And maybe it'll lead to other opportunities in the future. I don't know. Limited to two hours, max.

The face-in color is. Yeah. But yeah, to send over your designs and we'll take, when should be the deadline? Seven days from now? A week from, yeah, a week from when this is posted. So whenever this video's up, seven days, after seven days, I'm going to look at them all. So after seven days, don't say anymore because I'm not looking. Yeah, and again, it should not say I see H.

Looks like Ick. Oh, one more thing I want to talk about. The market. Oh, my God. Everybody was so happy that you sold Robin Hood and the next day it was up 30%. You sold and then hours later, Sam Binkman-Fried. Our boy, Sam Bainman-Fried in the Caribbean. Yeah.

Decides to take a stake in Robin Hood. Yeah. Oh my gosh. How does that make you feel, man? Look, man. Have I not been telling you this for months? I know it's hard to reorient your brain, especially after that. I'm not a superstitious man.

I don't think because I bought Robin Hood at tanked. And I don't think that I went up because. because I sold. I think that it's just completely coincidence. Coincidence? Coincidental thing that could have ever happened. The fact that we make an episode, we post it. And one, we post it at 1pm, 110 is the first like green candle.

It goes up like 11%. Did you do us all a favor? If you buy. Sell everything. What do you say? If you buy, can you just tell me? So I could sell. Give us a 24 hour notice.

I, you need disclosures like like the Senate, like 24 hours later you have. have to disclose your holdings. That's funny. It honestly blows my mind that actually happened. I still like, I don't even want to think about it because it just, it's too much for my little brain to process. The fact that that actually happened,

I sold it in it just. But it is true. The moment you bought, it dipped. Yeah, it did. So, worked both ways.

So how about we, what if we put it to the test? Jack, just buy like $100. I'm done. I'm done. How about this? Are you?

No, but if we, but because I would tell like you, buy something that maybe just as a test. No, but maybe just as like a test. But then I think we're going to jinx it. If you do something purposely, it's not going to work. It's never what you want.

It's only when you seriously make an invest. But what are you buying right now? What are you buying right now? Well, he said he's done with individual stocks. You know, indexes and stuff like that. Wow, they're doomed necks. That's what I'm about to say. I've always, but it's not like I'm just now buying it.

I've held on. Are you actually done with individual stocks? Pretty much, yeah. Wow. Yeah. So you got burning. learned or? Yeah.

Or did you learned? Really? Yeah. So I'm not like, I don't think it's a terrible idea and it's like, sure, if there are companies, I still have Apple, right? I think Apple's a great company. I have Intel. I've held on to Intel for a super long time.

I have some like select companies that I've held on for a while. But I'm not going out buying like the more speculative plays, the fintech companies with these crazy valuations. I'm just. Yeah, very small percent of my portfolio is individuals. When did you start buying index funds? I bought my first index phone probably. Not first, but like seriously buying index funds.

Yeah. Okay, so I put $1,000 in SPY, I think, or XLF or something like that. Some like group, right, where they gather all the stocks together. That was probably back at like 2015. Okay. What about, did you buy in November of 2021? Probably. Yeah, makes sense.

That's it. Yeah. Anyway. See, now I'm worried that like you're buying index funds. And like that's the start of the recession. Yeah. I wonder what happens when I short a stock or if I buy a put on the stock, you know? Is the same thing that's not by now?

No, I think that would be, that would be good. But the thing is if you're doing it as an experiment, it's not going to work. Jack has to be committed to it. It's going to be like a seriously change for me. Yeah. It has to really believe. Jack believes it. That's what we need.

Yeah. Just let us know before you do anything. Deal. All right. So with that said, you guys, thank you so much for watching. Again, you could send Alex your submissions for the iced coffee hour logos. Also, big thank you to all of you guys who subscribe at the notification bell who've watched the creator clash fight. Really appreciate it.

And anything else, guys? You got to thank the people that made the drive just to see you. Oh, that's true. Because there were a few fans that were like, I only came here to see Graham. And you know what else? You know what we have to talk about too. Yeah, you know. Okay, go ahead.

We met. Last note. Yeah. For the first time. DGB Antho. You got to put a picture. Yeah, yeah, I'll put a picture here. He has been the guy from the very beginning

who's been like helping us with title thumbnails, with rankings. We've mentioned him multiple times here on the podcast. You go to his channel and he's clipped out the parts where we've talked about him. And I have to say so nice, so smart, really appreciated that. And it's good to like finally meet some of the people.

Yeah, when you talk online for such a long, time. It's cool to like finally meet the person behind the comment. So that really means a lot. And for everyone who made the drive out or if we watched it, like that seriously means a lot. So and I wish I could just meet everybody. Maybe we coordinate something like that at some point, but really means a lot. We do another meet and greet like Dave Rams. We just walk up on stage, picture, leave. Anyway, guys, thank you. I really appreciate it. And subscribe. Until next time. All great. All right, good.