The Iced Coffee Hour - Justin Waller on Andrew Tate, Masculinity, and Becoming The 1%

Episode Date: September 17, 2023

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It takes a lot of confidence for me to come on the internet and say some of the things I say, knowing the amount of hate I'm going to get forward. I failed sixth grade, bro. You failed sixth grade. How do you maintain a six-pack year-round? I'm going to win. I'm going to get up. I'll go to work. I'm going to do the same thing I did yesterday.

The best day of a man's life is the day you realizes that nobody's coming to save him. Can I just say something? I'm so sorry. I don't mean to cut you off. Yeah, yeah. That doesn't make you a man. Sleeping with a bunch of women doesn't make you a man. What makes you a man?

What makes you a man? is that you know you from I feel like the association with Andrew Tate a lot of your clips they go viral a lot of people have kind of grouped you into that red pill community yeah but I've also heard you on some other podcasts like I saw you on Tom Billy U's podcast and then a few other podcasts I've listened to and you're very articulate and you're not the way that I feel like a lot of people picture you to be I've said things that I wish I could say differently you understand what I'm saying particularly to women on panel shows. I think I'm misrepresented where my heart is. You understand what I'm saying? I don't hate women and I don't think women are trash and I do believe the things that I say. However, I don't

think I've had an opportunity to be put on a platform where I could show who I am, particularly where my heart is. The platforms that you do go on, especially those panels, those are a little more aggressive. You know what I feel like there are certain incentives. It's very incentivized to do that. Yeah. And listen, man, I'm not, I'm not a perfect person. You know, I think, I think that in the very beginning, I was probably in a place where I might have said some things because of that setup. Now, those shows I do believe are very important. And those men that run those shows, I love very much. and I'll always be loyal to them. And even on the last, you know, I went on a panel show recently.

And it was very good friends of mine that I love very much. I'm very clear about this. Who was it? It was a fresh and fit. And in the comments, they were coming after me because I was being so quiet. And I'm just at a place after this first couple of years. It's like, I just don't feel good about embarrassing a girl. You know what I mean?

For me, it's just how I feel about it. you know I think what they do is very important though I think that they shine a light on the apps like I don't want to say this correctly because these are these are my friends man I love these guys yeah sure they shine a light on female nature that I think the normal man would not see or understand at the extreme and I think why they're so beneficial is because the normal man is so soft that when they see this and they're this way I hope and believe that they kind of land in the middle. Okay.

With a firm, you know, frame. And I do think frame is very important between a man and a woman. I think on social media to what you were saying about the comments is that you're rewarded for saying things that are extreme because that's not only gets the views, it gets all the comments,

it gets all the followers, it really riles up the base. But it financially incentivizes you in so many ways to like, how far can we push this? Let's keep going more and more and more. Why wouldn't you? as a business decision. It seems as though if that's what's getting results,

you would tend to lean towards that. And when people are cheering you on over and over and over again, it's hard not to like it stuck in that. And I think it's that. I think it can be that way. But just like any man, if you evaluate your situation and you identify something you don't like, I'm sure you've both done this in your own life

in some form of capacity, something about your life. You can just step up and fix it. you know and I don't think that I'm on this active campaign to go tell everybody that I'm trying to fix it what's really important to me is they see all of me because I genuinely believe if they see all of me I'm palatable to all kinds of shows like this one like the one I did earlier today with ronpaneda man that guy's incredible you know guys like ed marlette I've met him recently and I think he's just freaking salt-of-the-earth type guy and so I just I just believe

that if I can show truly who I am, that I can, in the long run, maybe not the short term, do just as good if not better. Well, let's talk a little bit more about those characteristics and who you truly are in a little bit because we also want to discuss, I mean, you've gone on the record to say that you have businesses that generate up to $35 million a year in revenue, correct? Collectively. Collectively, yes, yes, collectively. And your story is actually very impressive because your whole appeal or your poll in the

beginning was the fact that you built up a business in like the real world. I mean, you did construction, built up a multi-million dollar business running a construction company. Can we talk maybe just briefly about how you got into that? What led you to construction? And then what did you do uniquely that got you successful? I think that's very admirable. But I think that's so underrepresented right now is the trades. Yeah. And a lot of those jobs that are just not being showcased online. A thousand percent, man. These guys build the world. Like the world does not go around without the men that that build the country and in every country we couldn't even do this podcast right now if it weren't for tradesmen and i'll tell you i believe in 10 years there's

going to be YouTubers out there saying you want to know what the new hack is become a plumber I've been saying no i said it five years ago yeah yeah i did a whole video breakdown this is one of my earliest most popular video doctor versus a plumber yeah and i did the analysis i think i'll watch that video yeah i'll watch that video i did the analysis for those that don't know i broke down the average salary of a plumber starting at the age of 18 it goes to trade school versus that of a doctor who goes into law school not law school medical school debt i think it was up until about 40 in the 40s the plumber was a head financial how he catches up exactly yeah and so it wasn't until the doctor's in this in like the 50s just the wealth really take off because

they're just making so much money but up until that point the plumber comes out ahead yeah and could make even more money if they open up their business, if they continue expanding, and that's not assuming any of that. Yeah, your salary or whatever, the income of the plumber I remember was pretty conservative as well. Yeah, I actually looked up how long it takes to be like a plumber's apprentice, how much they make. You did that video years ago. Yeah, I watched that video and it's funny. I just finished working. I know where I watched that video. Yeah. Because I watched that video in the Whole Foods parking lot in town center in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, eating chicken. I propped it up.

I drive a F-150 in Louisiana. And I propped it up and I'm sitting there eating chicken and chart. I watched that video. And I agree with you then and think that was years ago. It's going to happen. It's going to happen. And it needs to happen. We live in a world where you can shake your ass on TikTok and make more money than the guy that paid the road for me to get here.

And that's obviously not against the law. But I think it is kind of a injustice of equity in the world for sure. And I've been pitching this thing. thing called buy a man of beer, buy the man of beer, where anytime I see a tradesman, and he's trying to buy lunch, checking out at the end of day, trying to buy his 12-pack on the way home, I try my best to talk him in and let me do it. And oftentimes he lets me. I think I'm going to have to tweak the program a little bit because I think that it's kind of hard for the normal person. And I get like a poster to a day, but I think it's kind of hard. Like I'm going to have to

find another way to appreciate them because it's kind of hard to talk a man that's been working. Like they're also they have pride and they don't want to take a selfie with you because you bought on beer. What I'm trying to do is use my following to at a minimum hero the people that build this country. The plumbers, the carpenters, you know, the concrete guys, the electricians, the sheet rocks, the painters, the roofers. You know, a lot of these guys put their life online. It's dangerous work. It's hot work. It's or it's cold.

The conditions are never good. I don't think they get paid enough. right in line with cops and teachers. I have, I don't agree with curriculums, but I do think teachers are very important. I think they sacrifice their lives for people in a lot of ways. Because I'm in construction, because I work construction my whole life,

I have a heart for them, man. I've been close to them. I've argued with them. I've cursed at them. They've cursed at me. Like, look, you know, iron workers aren't freaking boy scouts, bro. They're not, man.

They fight in the hotel rooms and they get drunk in trucks. And they do, you know, crazy things. But if without these guys, man, the world doesn't run. And because of my background and how I was able to make my first money, I just refuse to forget about those guys, man. And so the whole campaign was about, you know, if you see a guy in workboots, buying his lunch, you can tell he's working, trash, got anything, any of these jobs that make the world go, try your best to see if, you know, tell him, hey, listen, I'm a part of this campaign called Buy Man and Beard. the guys that make the world go around, would you please let me buy you lunch? Or would you please let me cover that for you. It would mean a lot to me.

And that's it, man. I just want to champion these guys more because I don't think they get the credit they deserve. And I don't think people realize how important they are. But before we go into that, you guys know here on the ice coffee hour, we like to be quick and efficient. And I like to cook, which is not the most quick and efficient thing. And on busy days, I usually just end up going to the nearest fast food restaurant because I don't want to spend time cooking. But hear me out, guys. all of these problems can be solved with one simple answer, and that's our sponsor, Cook Unity.

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And I told her that I owned a company. that did metal buildings and structural steel. And I could just see the look on her face. Like she didn't even understand that I make more money than the guy with the startup that she went out with the night before. You know what I'm saying? It's like nobody associates any kind of status or any kind of respectability to it. And I have my thoughts on what really makes it hard for them.

I believe that when we went off the gold standard, we went from a guy that could go put a tool belt on. and support his family completely to his wife having to work. And I think that was very negative for the nuclear family. But in regards to how they're being paid, if I were in charge of construction in America or was the president or not that I ever would run for anything like that or some kind of office, I would put certified payroll like Davis Bacon projects, which means they have to check the payroll.

And they assign like an electrician makes this much money with this much. with this much fringe benefits. And a metal building guy makes this with this much fringe benefits, I would make every project in America that. And one of the big reasons I would do that is because a lot of contractors, smaller contractors, but contractors nonetheless pay guys cash. And don't pay the guys correctly. I'll pay my guys to ride to the project.

Well, now, the cash I've seen a lot of non-citizens get paid cash. That seems to be the go-to or people that don't want to pay their tax. Isn't that to a benefit someone's request, hey, pay me cash, man. So I'd rather get paid $200 right now than $300 and have to deal with all the IRS. Yeah, I get that. But the problem is that I want to build my...

Because I'm an American, right? I believe in the American dream. I get a lot of flack for taking up for America, but you don't want to be in America, get out because America's the goat, scoreboard. And I don't mind paying the taxes I don't mind taking the taxes out matching it. I would like an equal playing field.

Because what is a, so my workman's comp for hanging steel is like 45 on 100 before Social Security FICA, Medicaid, everything. So by the time you get close to a 50% labor burden and I'm bidding against a guy for a million dollar job and he beats me by two or 300 grand, I know where it came from. You see what I'm saying?

And in regards to paying guys' cash, I can't sleep at night trying to build a company on something I could go to jail for. So we pay it like when they leave my office from Louisiana to California, let's say, because I got guys from California to New York right now today. They get paid to ride. They get paid their 40 hours straight. They get paid overtime. And they get paid per diem.

And we covered their hotels. But because of that, it makes it hard for me to do jobs, let's say in the South as much. because the guy next door will pay them cash. But I'm out here talking about having a business and talking about building something that I can count on for a long time. It's not worth it for me to go to jail. It's not worth it for me to keep an eye open and worry about getting in trouble with the IRS or the government. It's just not worth it.

If it were up to me, I would probably give, because you said something a second ago, with the Spanish guys where you said non-citizens. But if you go on a construction site in America right now and you say everybody that's not originally born in America has to leave, you'd have a site superintendent. You'd probably have an electrician and a plumber. And maybe some HVAC guys, the MEPs.

Other than that, you'd lose the whole job. Damn near every man out there is Spanish. And they're coming in and taking the jobs that not, Americans want that Americans don't want. You know, I look, I've got, I've got crews of American guys. Honestly, they don't perform the same way. But sometimes they can get into an industrial setting, you know, sometimes they can get into an oil and gas plant.

And it's a slower pace. And, but I don't think the Spanish guys are taking jobs from Americans that want those jobs. I don't, because I don't have, I don't have American citizens banging down my doors. command steel. And I don't think that's Americans fault either. I'm not blaming Americans for that. I just think that there's a perception. It's all about what you can be grateful for, right? Your expectation versus your reality. And I think the average American young man particularly is growing up in a world that he feels like he failed if he's not drop shipping from a beach. And it's not cool

anymore to be proud of your work. And I know those guys are out there in rural towns and stuff. I'm not saying that there's no, let's say, white guys out there, you know, doing their best in construction. But I think by and largely, if an American lands in a construction role currently, especially one where he's not the owner or doesn't have a high paying job or he's not a project manager, he's not particularly, I get messages every day. Hey, man, I'm trying to get off my tools, you know. And I think that we created that in America. But from my perspective, if I hear someone say, I'm in construction, I want to get out of it, I want to do better. I want to do better for my family. I just hear, not making enough money, it's not scalable. It takes a brutal toll on my body.

Yeah, it does. I want to do something that I could scale, that I could make money without having to be on the job side all day, which I do think is an objective, a lot of people. A thousand percent, but also, I mean, it's a one percent for a reason, man. They really wanted that. I think they'd find a way, from being fair. And then I think some guys love what they do, you know, and there are some Americans out there. I don't want to take this away from all people. But I And everybody in construction knows that a huge portion is Spanish, right? When you say Spanish, you mean Hispanic, right? Like people that speak Spanish?

Yeah. So Guatemalans, Panamanians, Mexicans, things like that. Yeah, for sure. And I see it in other countries, too. Every time I go to Dubai, you know, they're all pulling people from other countries. I'm curious, when did you get into the construction business? You went to high school. Were you good in high school?

You were academic and everything? No, man, I wasn't. I failed sixth grade, bro. You failed sixth grade. How did you feel sixth grade? That's impossible to fail. There's no. Everyone just gives you a pass on six grade.

It's just, you know, man. No, you know, I, I, like I said, home life wasn't the best. Yeah. I don't want to blame them. I wasn't even a decent student until really high school. I graduated three, two in high school. I was in the key club. But it was a fight.

It was a fight. Oh, I thought you said you fought. No, it was a fight. I got in plenty of fights in sixth grade. In sixth grade? Yeah, I got arrested in sixth grade for fighting. What did you get? Okay, oh, hold on.

How did you get into this fight? And then why did you get arrested from this fight? Well, first of all, let me backtrack a little bit. Sounds like two separate incidents, right? Yeah. How did we go? No, no, no, it was just a fight to do well in school. I wasn't interested.

Okay. I wasn't interested at all. Yeah, there's eye. Like, and that's why I was talking about the curriculums, right? Have you ever heard of the book The War on Boys? There's a book about basically like how things are not really set up for boys.

I'm not a ten-four hatter on this or anything like that. But I do believe that when, how are you in sixth grade? 12. Yeah. Something like that. Sure. You really want to sit there and read like Edgar Allan Poe?

No. No, bro. Right. It's not interesting. I believe that little boys at that age. If I could make the curriculums, They'd be changing tires. Like,

learning how to frame a wall, learn how to change some sheetrock. You love that. I love that, man. Right. Put that draft up a contract, dude. Put him to work. Yeah.

Like actually work. Slip in some fine branch and see if they pointed out. As a young kid, what you're trying to and still in them, you're not necessarily giving them knowledge that they can use later in life. You're teaching them how to learn and you're teaching them discipline.

Well, that's really critical. Those are the two things that are actually valuable as a kid. But they've determined that in, order to teach kids how to learn and discipline, it's through homework and reading Edgar Allan I think just like, well, basic reading skills I think are important, basic math skills, but then I think it's critical thinking. A thousand percent. And I'll tell you another thing, too, is that in America particularly, I can't speak for other countries, but if you're not in a point in your life where you care about the subject, you know, I don't think you're going to hear it.

I am more into geopolitics and in social studies today than I have ever been. I watch Wendover videos. I watch Johnny Harris videos. Just trying to understand. Yeah, bro. He's good, man. Window is great. Windovers smoke, bro.

And like, we nerd out. We're sending each other videos about, you know, why the Mississippi River is the most powerful river in the world. Tom Scott, too. Yeah, bro. Bro, I'm a nerd out on this shit at night, man. And you could have showed me that video in sixth grade. and I'd have been like trying to pass a note to some little girl or throw paper across the room at my friend that's on the football team or just whatever it was man I was just not interested but I think if if little boys could do things with their hands learn how to do things that are going to be helpful in the world that also help the little girls and I'm not even opposed to teaching little girls how to change attire I'm not opposed to that I'm just saying for the little boys I don't think it's something that they resonate with at that age and I was just completely checked out I was thinking about football

football practice or whatever else, you know. And it's certainly not because I'm not intelligent. I just didn't care. And I didn't make good grades. I didn't want to do my homework. And I sure as hell didn't want to study for a test that I didn't care about. So it was just, you know, one of those things. Now, I was labeled a 504 student. What is that? I don't know what that is. It's like the kind of kid that like needs its test riged to him. It's, okay. It is what it is. And I look back at that time in life. I think it was good for me. So as you're about to hear shortly, running a business smoothly can be fairly challenging. Trying to keep all of your goals, tasks, and data organized among several softwares

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and it's netseweet.com slash iced. Thank you so much, NetSuite, and back to the podcast. But how do you go from there to getting arrested? There's a big gap. The sixth grade fight to arrest. I can't stop thinking about it. I feel like we got to address that.

I'll tell you, we lived in a neighborhood when before I moved to this town called Denham Springs, and I was like the only white kid. And I learned a lot. from the culture of being the only white kid and seeing certain things. And so there was a lot of fights in that neighborhood. I moved to this all white school pretty much.

And some kid popped off to me. And I was hard at that time. And I bust them up pretty good. And what did you say to you? Dude, I can't even remember now. He was just. How did it make you feel at the time, though? I bet you remember the emotions that went through your mind as soon as you said that.

It was actually one of those things where it's like, all right, cool, catch me when you get off the bus. So he lived in the front of the neighborhood I can't believe I'm even saying this He lived in the front of the neighborhood And he walked From the front of the neighborhood All the way of the back of the neighborhood And I met him in the street

And it was you versus him Yeah and some parents broke it up And you actually like It was a fight fight Yeah of course Who threw the first punch Was that you or was he throwing You're talking to two guys who have

We've never been into a fight Well I've been in a fight I just lost Were you actually in a fight With Michael Michael Reed Oh right Yeah, yeah, he did a boxing match.

That doesn't count. Yeah. So you've never been into a fight. So I don't, yeah. Oh, God, I've been in four or five fights in my adult life. Okay. Oh, but that's actually kind of common in the South. People in the South are quicker.

No, I think the culture there is a lot different. Yeah. And look, I'm not champion this shit either. I'm not sitting here saying it's cool. I don't feel cool or manly to tell you about this. Just in case some. No, we're just, we're just, no, I'm just telling you, man. Because I know there's going to be always young men watching what I say.

And so, you know, if I can back a. from one today I will. Now, if I can't, you get close enough. I'm going to hit you first. Where do you know the line between walking away and standing up for yourself? We had a really good conversation with Patrick, Bet David. Right. And he said, if, I actually watched that episode. If the other kid swings first, you got to defend yourself. And that's up to you. If you can't de-escalate, you fight back. There's actually something that you said in there that I would teach my son differently. Sure. Or Patrick said maybe is he has to hit you first. My personal rule, is I'm going to tell you I don't want to, and I'm going to try to step away.

But if you get back in range, there's definitely a jab cross coming. I will definitely hit you first because I don't want to fight you in the first place. And the mistake I made in that bar is after he hit the floor, I tried to grab him by the back of the back. I dropped to a knee and tried to grab him by the back of the head and really wear his ass out. And one of his buddies came up behind me. Actually a bit bigger than me. And I just got lucky because I was able to get it. And they were all three trying to hit me.

but I was kind of covered up because he was over me. And it's just like, I don't promote fighting. If I leave here today and somebody tries to fight me and I think I can walk away, I absolutely will, regardless of pride or ego. But when they get you in a corner, I'm not going to wait for them to hit me first. I already know they want to hit me.

You know, I've been in enough fights to know what his eyes look like, what his intentions are. I can see his fist balled up, you know? And then when you actually get in a fight, you get this very shaky feeling inside of you. It's like it's actually very, you know, it's like a bone chilling feeling. It's the adrenaline coming in your body so you can like not feel things.

And I know what that's like. I know when somebody has an intention. I've been in an, I've been in at least 12, 15 in my life. So I know what it's like. And I'm also not, the only time I've ever met somebody for a fight was that fight I was telling you about. Everything else is spur of the moment.

Everything else was, you know, boom, boom. And it's over quick, man. Have you ever lost a fight? No, I'm not well. Third grade, I got my nose busted. Yeah, I got my nose busted. You got your nose butt. He was bleeding and everything?

Yeah, everywhere. Oh, God. How that happened? I got in a fight with this kid. I can't believe we're talking about it. This is the last fight. Okay, this is the last fight. And then we're going to go to all the inspiring, okay, business building and then we got

other, you know, stuff in store. I didn't know you were so interested in the subject. Y'all, y'all should have. had Tate on. No, no, keep going. Keep going. Okay. There's this kid messing with my sister on the bus. I did what I did. It went very much in my favor. And then the next day, I was walking off the bus, and he kicked me.

And he ran to an open seat and laid down on the seat and started kicking. So when I went to him, he did that move. He just laid down. That's not a cool move. It was like a backwards turtle kicking. I know exactly that move. I went right into it. Yeah.

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On to the business. Okay. So how did you get into construction at a young age? And then when did the money really start coming in? Yeah. So when I was a little boy, my stepdad did middle buildings. And to be quite honest with you, the type of neighborhood we lived in. There was no lawyers.

There was no doctors or anything like that. And we had some house fires when I was a kid. And we ended up staying in his boss's house. when I was in like seventh grade and we were in a completely different neighborhood and it gave me a new consciousness on what was possible because I'd not seen a whole lot of that.

I always say that construction was the only way we knew how to make doctor money was in boots and that's actually quite a true thing in South Louisiana you know the mouth of Mississippi's air. So there's a lot of industry, there's a lot of industrial work, there's a lot of construction that goes with that work.

There's a lot of building houses to support that that infrastructure of the economy in South Louisiana. And it was the only consciousness I had. I say all of the time that had I put the same energy into a better business model, a different business model, then construction, I think I'd be a lot better off, but I don't think I'd be the same person.

And for that, I'm glad I stayed in construction. I graduated college in 2009. I'd already read Rich Dad, Poor Dad. and I knew I wanted to have a business one day, but I honestly thought I ended up in Dallas as a project manager first, making really good money and save and end up, you know, starting something. And those jobs just weren't there like we were told when we were freshmen signing up to go into construction management school. And so I dug ditches and I worked for this company called Austin Bridgen Road in this little small town called Bastrop, Louisiana after I graduated. That job ended. I went to Baton Rouge. I waited tables at Texas Day Brazil in Baton Rouge. And I worked.

I would go during the day and apply for jobs. And they were building this hospital called Women's Hospital in Baton Rouge. And I'd gone in there a couple times because they were actually building the project. So instead of going to home office, I was like going on to job sites. And the ladies like, I can't let you see the boss. You know you can't see the boss like $40, $50 million, some crazy amount. Like the third time I went, she goes, hold on. So some grisly looking angry white man company is like, are you Justin?

I'm like, yes, sir. It's like, come with me. So go back to his office and he plops down in his chair and he's like, give it to me. And I'm all like, you know, he looks at, he looks at me, he looks at, he looks at me. He flops it on the table. He's like, you need to tell me you've come in here three or four times to stop a $30, $40 million project to see the boss because you want a job. Yes, sir. Well, I like that.

Offer me a job. Boom. And I ended up not taking it. I'd went to the company down the street six times. They gave me a job. to New Orleans instead. But what I did there was I was making really good money. It was a levy project for the Corps of Engineers. And so it was like government funded. So we all kind of got paid really well. I was making like 60 grand a year. And so what I did is I went to the bank and I said,

listen, I get my my checks order drafted, but I want you to push everything but my per diem into this other bank account because I wanted to get a contractor's license. And to get a contractors license, you had to have a net worth of $10,000, which nor myself or anybody my family had. It took me about six months, I guess, to get the money saved up. And then I wouldn't applied for a residential contractor's license. And then I moved the money to another bank and went and applied for my commercial. And that was 14 years ago, March. Now we have over 200 men, 25 states. We do all of America, the Caribbean. How do you scale that up from working for someone else to then going off in your own.

Is it still a requirement, by the way, to have a $10,000 net worth to be a contractor? I think it is in Louisiana. You have to prove it. Yeah, and I think that's a good thing. Yeah, I think it's a good thing. Because the show is like, what, discipline? Well, just like that you're not.

Yeah. Like, if you can't get a net worth of $10,000, 10 grand, then you're probably going to either do some shady shit or not do the right thing or not run the right systems and maybe even hurt somebody just by accident. Construction is really hard with cash flow.

Like, understanding cash flow. cash flow like a whip report of work in progress your billing excess of cost cost and excess of billing once you start getting in the millions of dollars you really need to understand cash flow and and a lot of guys like if you can't get a $10,000 net worth you're not going to understand AR you're not going to understand retainage and billing and how you really have to play with the big boys to be able to even be a subcontractor you really just not is it and I think that's a good rule when I started off I had $2,500 payrolls like two or three guys I never forget my first line of credit was $15,000, first American bank,

begged the lady to get a line of credit because I had $2,500 payrolls. And at that time, that was a whole lot of money to me. And we were doing these 30 by 40s in backyards. We're doing sheds, man. And I'm 24, 25. So I'd keep a tool belt in the truck for the guys that didn't show up to work. Then I'd put slacks in there so I could go beg for money at the bank and a polo to go try to sell a job. And I did that.

And I worked out of an F-150 for. four years, five years. How are you getting jobs? And what year was this, by the way? This would have been 2011 is when I started. Kind of rough time. I mean, that was... Not the easiest time. No, because that was the lowest point for housing. Yeah.

Yeah. But we were doing metal buildings. And so I would do that. And then I eventually got to a place where I knew I needed more systems. And so I got really heavy into e-miss. and I worked with E-Mith for about a year and a half. What's E-Mith? E-Mith is a book by Robert E-Mirber. It talks about the entrepreneur, the manager, and the technician.

And so having that insight for me was actually really important because I had a really good understanding of what I had to be to my business and what did I need to replace myself with. I needed a really, really good technician to really help me, you know, with the guys. And because the buildings were getting bigger and bigger and more complex. So when you go from the backyard to doing a school project in New Orleans, it's no longer columns, Perlings, and Gerts. It can be CMU block with in beds and trusses. It can be a normal metal building, but there's a standing seam roof now. There's a valley.

And so there's all these intricate details that now I can literally, in my mind, see. but it's only because damn near every roof I did for the first three years of commercial leaked. And I had to go get all these certifications. I had to go to Pennsylvania to get certified to do Butler, MR-24 roofs, which are on every Costco in America, by the way. I had to go to do the new core, you know, test to make sure I knew how to put their roof on because every manufacturer has a little bit of a different detail so they can get their, you know, their patent on it.

And so in the specs that the architect writes, which is again completely different than doing a backyard mueller building, you have to be qualified to do these roofs because a lot of times they have what's called a no dollar 20 year warranty on it, which means the manufacturer comes out with a filler gauge, a camera and anything he can to poke holes in and take a bunch of photos. And they make these 20 page reports. And they're like, no, you have to do this, this, this and this. And they'll hold your money until you do it. And so making the jump from the backyard to commercial, I took some blows. How do you get jobs like that? Because these are pretty substantial jobs. Yeah.

So I'll tell you exactly what I did. So I sought out mentors, I would say around 26. There's this organization called the Metal Building Contractors, Rectors Association. Shout out to Sasha. It's a mouthful to say. Could you say that again? Metal building contractors and erectors association. I'm still a part of it.

The way that flows. And so I sought out mentorship and there was guys at companies like there's a company in New Jersey named Thomas Phoenix, Sean Eric, Gary. They really took me under their wing. They're really good to me. They really helped me. And they gave me a proposal template. And I took their name off of it, put mine on it, made sure I understood it. But it made me look big on paper.

We weren't big. We had like two trucks, you know, but it made us look big. It made us look legit. And then I know that every project has a pre-job walk. And so that means that every general, so because we work for general contractors, right? So a big GC, we do the steel. We only do steel, right? We don't do everything else.

That's general. So we work for GCs. So I knew that the architects made the GCs do a pre-job walk before, like, if they don't show up to that, they can't bid it. So I started calling the architects and asking for the pre-job walk form because I knew like two GCs at this time. So I might get one invite out of 10 general contractors. contractors for the same job.

Or I could find out everybody that's bidding it and just send my bid anyway. So what I ended up doing is making what we call now a pre-qualification package, which was like a company resume, right? And I would send them a bid and say, hey, I know bid days crazy, good luck. I hope y'all kill it today. But instead of bidding a $100,000 job to 1GC, I'd send it to 10. And I had scenarios where I would win the job. And then the GC that didn't win would have steel on the ground and need somebody.

And so I ended up getting on all these people's bid list. And when I did that, I hired an estimator. And then we built a very strong system around every panel we put in, every kind of column, a framed opening on the steel, a framed opening on shooting the wall, the trim out, everything. So the spreadsheet I worked on for years just fine-tuning every little thing. to spit out man hours because what's dangerous in our business if people are square foot something. But if it has 47 windows in it,

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And that way I could trust that if my estimator, which was like a 55-year-old man at the time, And he was, he was with me for like six, seven years. If he just puts the data incorrectly, if he just sees the drawings correctly and reads the details, that it would spit me out a number that was competitive. And so what he would do is he would send me three or four a week. And we ended up getting to where we're bidding three to five a week every week. And what I would do is I was running between jobs. I was like my own general superintendent at this time. He would be back in the office.

I'd be visiting all the job sites all over the. the place. And I'd pull over, still Wi-Fi off my phone, open a MacBook, go over it with them on speakerphone, look at the drawings with them, just a double and triple check. And we'd spit three to five bids out a week, and then we started doing millions in revenue. And then I had my next problem is scaling the manpower and then making sure the systems put me in a place where I could trust that the work would be done correctly. So even today, we have what's called a project process. Every mistake we've ever made, ever made. from unloading the truck to shaking the steel out to hanging the steel to sheeting the walls to putting

the roof on to seeming the roof to blowing the roof off to putting the gutters on and making sure that we don't cut the gutter for a downspout where subsurface drainage is coming up let's say because they're not going to move from out of the ground so guess who's got to buy a new gutter if it's one foot off all these things that have happened right that list is there and it's every mistake we've ever made and we run that list to make sure our QC runs well. And then, of course, we have safety. We have a safety guy. And we have a girl that makes sure that they turn JSAs in every day. And that when the timesheets are turned in are if they go into the app, T-sheets, that is coded to the right thing. Because one of the most powerful things that you can possibly have in construction is historical

data for estimating. So that spreadsheet I was talking about with those. man hours factors for us to know how correct they are, it makes a lot of sense for us to be able to have really strong books. And I think having strong books in construction, particularly trade construction, is one of the most important things a guy could do because if you don't know the historical data of what got you to the profit or not profit on the job, then you're going to make the mistake again. Yeah. How often are you unprofitable on the jobs? Because I'd imagine, and I've seen it before where a contractor will bid a job, it would be a bit under, and, And if they're held to it, sometimes we're losing money because they just underestimate how much work goes into.

I've lost money on a bunch of jobs, man. In fact, in that phase, in that growth phase, it would really look like this. Make a bunch of money. Break even, break even lose money. Make a bunch of money. Break even, lose a little bit, make a little bit, lose money. It was, it was really around scaling. You know, you got this one guy that's like your ace.

You want to put them on the best jobs you can. And you still have guys not showing up. You still have blood on projects. You still have steel showing up incorrectly. You have forklifts breaking down. You have manless breaking down. You have trucks stolen. You know, it's nothing for me to get a call on a Sunday and be like,

the guy's just gotten a big bar brawl in Michigan and cops are looking for trucks with your logo on it. Sweet. These things happen. It is construction. And so just like getting, like, Like planting seeds with men, cutting the bad ones, keeping the good ones. Planning seeds with men, cutting the bad ones, and now I have three good ones. Now I have four.

What makes them bad? And can you spot that ahead of time when hiring? Are there red flags that you see in people where it's like, I could kind of tell this one, go there? I can tell you when it turned around for me. I created a system around hiring. I'm a big fan of Patrick Lencioni's books. So he's got the ideal team player, which is a very cool book.

It's actually about trying to find a construction guy. And that's just by coincidence. But he's got this thing called Humble Hungry Smart. But what we start with is proven competence. I used to would run ads for guys. And they would call. They would lie about how long they've been doing it. They'd been working at the competition for three months.

And they tell you they've been there five years. And they'd want to leave you to get a raise or whatever it is. And so what I did is I was like, okay, where I need to be recruiting at least 1.2. five percent more than I'm bidding. And I always draw a circle on the on the board at my office. I'm like bids recruiting and then the project's right in the middle. And so what I did is I created very loaded metal building questions that you would only know if you've been doing it for quite some time.

After we've proven competence, I think the best part of this this phone process starts, humble hungry smart. Would you be willing to work under another form and to learn our systems for a little while until you learn how we do it. Cool. That's, you know, a big question.

Would you be willing to work for a dollar an hour less for the first month so we can see you're as good as you say you are? Hungry. Would you be willing to leave town and work weekends

if we need you to to hit a schedule? Smart. Tell me what you don't like about your current company. We're trying to get them to talk shit. Like we're truly trying to get them to, like we really push them on this one.

Test if they if they talk shit. If they talk shit, they're out. But then again, they're trying to be honest with you. If you ask them what you don't like. Yeah, but I've done, I've done enough. I've done it because they'll run with it. Sure. They will run with it.

And there's a big difference between, you know, I don't really like it here. I don't feel like I get treated very well. I'll leave it at that. Or I don't see growth here. And I've not, maybe they haven't come through on the promises they gave me. Things like that versus these MF, they're trash, blah, blah, blah, they're idiots. The guys in the office are morons. They don't know how to estimate.

The last thing I need in my business is that guy talking to my guys, right? And then luck. We ask them how their luck is. How are things going for you? How's your life going? And when you have guys that come to you telling you how unlucky they are, they will bring that bad look into the company. And what I do, because I'm not on these calls, and neither is my operations manager.

So, have you ever heard of the Feminacci series? No, I have not. So it's like this concept that most things in nature are an odd number and that humans struggle seeing the difference between two and three. We can definitely see the difference between one and five, five and nine, nine and 13, that you can feel the difference. And so let's say we get to the question about Hungary. Are you willing to work out of town on short notice or work weekends if we need you to?

Well, yeah, I mean, I could do that for y'all if you really needed me to. Or yes, absolutely. I'll go anywhere you want me to go. I'm here to work. Completely different answer. Both yes. Because they'll tell you whatever they need you to hear for them to get a job. but the flexion in their voice, because I'm not on the call, I can't hear it.

But she rates using the Feminacci series how much of a yes it was. So 13 being the highest. And then the total score is anybody over a certain score gets to talk to Renee and she's our operations manager. And that's how we weed out. If we talk to 100 guys, Renee will talk to five or six maybe. But I get rid of all the lies. I get rid of all the drama. I get rid of any incompetency lies just by these five categories and how they tell you yes or no.

But then how do they squeak by, let's just say they get accepted. They start the job. But then after a month or two, you realize it's not working out. How do they squeak by that? And what do you notice on the job that they're lacking? Is it maybe discipline? Are they just not focused enough? Are they not detail-oriented enough?

How do you spot these things? It'll be safety quality production. Okay. Well, no. If they're getting kicked, I've got, like, if they're getting kicked off of jobs, for not tying off, when they know damn good and well they should be. They sign a, they put a JSA together every day. If they're not hitting man hours.

I have enough men now that if a guy tells me he put a thousand square foot a roof on in a day, that something's not right. You know what I'm saying? We have enough jobs in it. We've done thousands of buildings, millions of square foot of buildings all over America. we know. Like our man hours factors are they're solid now. We know what they're supposed to do.

And then quality. If they don't want to read the detail, you have to know. And you have to get it right. Because if it fails in inspection, then you're looking at an insurance claim of possibly ripping a roof up. Or massive amount of extra man hours

for getting this thing in a place where the manufacturer will actually give the customer that warranty because we put it incorrectly. And 99% of the time, if a roof leaks, 99.999% of the time, it is a rector error. We are erectors and those are engineers and they have tested this in all conditions. So if we don't do the detail correctly, they will not insure the roof. And if they don't insure the roof, the architect won't sign off of it and they won't buy it. I'd love to get a little bit more into the self-development stuff because you've been also talking about

that a lot recently. I feel like how you have to get fit. I have to start earning a better living, making more money to be the best version of yourself that you can possibly be. As somebody watching this right now that maybe doesn't wake up and feel super happy with where they're at in life, what would you recommend they do to start becoming the best version of themselves? Get in shape. That's the number one thing. I put it in front of making money.

I really do. I think that being in shape gives you an advantage in business. I believe that truly. I think people respect you more. I think people look at you and they say, it's like, you, it's like, you, it's like, like walking discipline, walking strength. Look, it might not be a popular thing to say, but a physical stature on a man when he walks into a room and his ability, like I said, to look you in the eye and body language, it garners respect and it, in my opinion,

can get you further in business. People want to work with people they respect. So fitness first. Number one, if you're not in shape and you're eating bad and you're not moving your body, then your whole all your cells are stale like you can't even think straight so i always put getting in shape above everything you know i believe that a person that does really well in life and is not in shape would have done better if they were in shape you know what on that though that's the one thing you can't fake being in shape you can't fake a six-pack i mean i'm sure you could fake a six-pack but it seems as though that's the one thing that all these billionaires are doing is like all of a sudden they all seem to be getting in shape, getting six-packs.

Yeah. Because when you have all the money, like, you can't necessarily buy that stuff. That's just purely dedication, discipline, and a lot of work. And so that to me now seems like the ultimate flex is being really in shape. Thousand percent. And it's one of those, you know, you could be a very rich guy and walk through the grocery store and nobody would know. You can't say that about fitness. You get to carry that with you everywhere you go.

It gives you an advantage, whether it's with the opposite sex. business or even how you feel about yourself. It's easy to respect yourself when you put in the work to get in shape, you know, because it's hard work and it shows. So for me, that's number one on the list. Some people would probably put money in front of it. I just personally don't because I just think you'll do better at business if you're in shape. Particularly.

Businesses are free. Yeah, it is. It's costing a thousand percent. Yeah. And it doesn't take as much time as people say it does. You know, I remember being high school, man. I worked at Harbor Freight Tools. You know what that is?

Yeah, I do. Yeah. I would go in the back in the bathroom and I'd put the little sales papers down on the bathroom floor to push-ups until I couldn't do them anymore, you know? And I did that for years and years and years, you know, and it really pays off now because at 37, I've had six shoulder surgeries on this shoulder in a total replacement. And I have mature muscle left over from 20 years of exercising. And so now I don't let myself get any further. than two weeks out from being able to take my shirt off anytime I want. You know, I keep abs year-round.

But it was all that work I did, especially when I was young. You know, like people, people should start working out at an early age because your body is maturing and growing at that time. And you can create all this bone density, all this mature muscle that will stay with you over time, especially if you just do the work to keep the maintenance on it. I don't work out the same way I used to. My shoulder really won't allow it. Some days it really hurts the box, you know.

So I have to work on footwork all day or, you know, defense or whatever. But I don't think there's a thing in this world that you could do for yourself. I can't think of one that's better than getting in really good shape and getting strong. It's made me want to hit the gym. Well, you need to. You need to. No, I do hit the gym. I do go.

I went today. Yeah. But yeah. But how do you maintain a six-pack year-round? What is that like? Because that seems to me like you're disciplined every meal. like well i'll tell you i'll tell you how i personally do it is i've had a six-pack since i was 24 years old there's not been a day between 24 and now where i could not see all of my abs now i might get

puffy around the love handles you know like if you have a standard you know sometimes i'd be here sometimes i'd be here but i'd never get too far imagine if there's a straight line and there's line above and below it i never got outside that i would never let myself get outside that range and it's super easy to keep it once you get it and even though this is not true I try to tell young men to believe that whatever you get today, you'll keep it forever. It'll make you work out harder. So you can get the most you can. But the way I do it now is I fast every day.

I've still not eaten today. What? I haven't eaten. No. What time do you wake up? Today? Yeah. 5 o'clock.

A.m.? Yeah. And it's like 7? It's coffee 30, bro. Coffee. I get by all day without eating. I get headaches. I'm used to it.

I'm used to it. I fast through breakfast and initially it was a little tough, but now it's very easy. I don't even think about it anymore. Yeah, I feel you just get used to it. I don't even think about it. And so what do you have? Just one meal at the end of the day. Yeah, yeah.

And then what time do you go to bed? Probably from 10 to 12 on a normal day. So you're eating and then going to bed right afterwards? I heard that's bad for you to eat like right before you go to bed. Everything's bad for you. Everything's bad for you. What do you eat? What's a normal dinner look like for you?

Protein. steak or chicken. or whatever. But I'll eat carbs too. Do you track calories or just like the one meal? No. I could do whatever I want to. If I don't eat.

Yeah, if I want to, I'll eat pizza. I'll eat pizza if I want to. But I mean, and I'm, and a lot of people when they fast, their goal is to trigger like an insulin response, right? That's actually not what I'm trying to do. Because I'll drink the little five-hour energies or the feel free. You ever try one of those?

I just stick with coffee. They got like mock and stuff. And I drink coffee too, but I know the coffee won't trigger the insulin, but even like a fake sweetener can kind of tell the brain or the gut, like, you know, you have sugar in you. I do it for pure mathematical purposes. There's no way I can eat 2,500 calories between 8 p.m. and 10 p.m.

Like, it's almost impossible. So for me, it's more about a deficit than it is about, like, messing with my insulin response or anything like that. Like, I don't nerd out on it. I definitely think there's like an 80, 20 to fitness. You know, even in the way that I work out, I genuinely, like, I only do certain lifts because I know that I'll get the biggest return from those lifts.

And what is that? So, for example, I'll never do flat bench or decline bench. Sure. I do all upper chest. When you walk into a room or you're outside, there's one constant variable and that's overhead light. in a lot of particular like having a six-pack

or looking big is an illusion based off light. So I focus all on my upper chest because when you walk in a room that's what people are going to see and it also pulls the rest of your chest up. When I do abs, I only do the bottom two abs.

Seems oddly specific. How, well, let me, let me clarify. How many guys have you met? Like, oh, I got the top two. My fucking grandma's got the top two. It's your ribs, asshole. I only have the top two. Exactly.

Come on. Exactly. But if you do decline weighted abs like with a 45 on your chest and you only focus on the bottom two and you tilt your head back so you isolate it nobody in history of the universe has ever had the bottom two in this V taper

and not have the top two. I treat my abs like I would treat my bicep. Have you ever seen a guy that's super lean, skinny even? And he not have a six-pack? I've known plenty of guys like this. And so the reason I say this and that you have to treat it like your bicep is that you need to get a pump in your abs. And what that allows you to do. So as the skin goes down and that muscle is growing, go back to overhead light, that muscle poking through the skin is what creates the shadow underneath.

And so the bigger you can get them. And it's kind of like that girl thing. Like, bro, your abs aren't going to get huge overnight. You're not going to look like you have a huge gut. Shut the fuck up. try to get a pump where you can literally feel a physical pump in your abs and they poke through the skin and even you bro you can have a six pack at 12 14% body fat sometimes and then when you start to actually down then you get really fucking ripped because it's poking through the skin and protruding you know you kind of get that 300 look I'm telling you you'll have a six pack faster than you would any other way it's an absolute cheat because it pokes through the skin and it creates a shadow you know I'm telling you so Look. Is this credit right here?

Well, I could just show y'all, but I feel like that would be turbo dushy. So. Turbo. That's funny. Yeah, so you want them to poke out. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, you see what I'm saying? But see you got the V thing going on with the signs.

It's like, how do you get the side bit too? Here, yeah, you also air dropped this to me just so I can show the view. Is that cool if I show the viewer? Yeah, cool. Is that photo? Yeah. Just so you can save it. You guys got to see it.

Okay, Josh. On the obliques, one thing I would say you could do, and I did this a lot early on, is you ever do a side plank? Yeah. Okay, cool. Go up and put your hand on them. Make sure it burns, and when it finally starts to burn, bounce. Pulse on that bitch. Fuck it up.

Like, want to destroy it. I used to do that two minutes of time on each side, and I just put it until it hurts so bad. And it's because those are really small muscles. And people are like, oh, if you do that every day, dude, I do abs every time. I had this thing I call Lima Bean Theory. And Lima Bean Theory is for abs. You ever see a guy go to the gym and he says, okay, we'll do abs when we're done? But what happens is he goes in there.

He does shoulders or whatever he does, right? I use this for actually abs and legs. He gets this big pump. And then after the fact, when he's supposed to do abs, lema beans. Me every single time I go to do. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You have to change that.

Lama bean theory is you're sitting at the table, your mom made macaroni and cheese, chicken nuggets and these stupid ass fucking llama beans. Just eat the llama beans first when you have the most energy, pre-work out, excited to be there, whatever. Get it out of the way. Then you can enjoy the chicken nuggets and the macaroni and cheese. You know, it's like goes back to eating as a kid. Do it first. Do it first because you're not going to do it after. I'll give you no example.

tricep. I don't want to start flexing here, but I kind of want to show. No, no, flex. So, like, I only work on this inside. You see that little horseshoe and that horseshoe? Yeah. I only work on those. Because any asshole that ever does triceps ever is going to get this line right here.

So I purposely, I'll take my thumbs in a rope. I'll do skull crushers, heavy. But I'll take my thumbs with the rope and turn it out. And I'll even stand up. I'll take that, you know, the little ball that comes on the little cord. Yeah, yeah. I'll take that ball and I'll put it between my fingers like this and I'll turn and I'll purposely over the back. So I hit this guy.

Jesus. You understand? Yeah, yeah. And with the bottom two abs. So it's like, dude, you got three words. No. No, but that's not, that's not completely true. I know.

I know. I still, I'll still shrug. Yeah. Right? When I do my biceps, I'll, you know how like there's, you know, the weight, the weight, and the handle. Uh-huh. I'll push my hand all the way to the end. inside and I'll twist it

like as far as I can out to create that peak. Hmm. You understand what I'm saying? And so like Rambo for example, I think he shot Rambo at like 158 pounds, but he looks 220. It's all a fucking illusion. If you can develop the right muscles.

Now, of course, rep range is important. So I do 1212 working sets of eight as heavy as I can possibly do and then I'll rep to fail twice. You do a lot. Well, it's not really a lot. It's pot sets. And I would also, I did a lot of rep to fail push-ups coming up.

You know, I've heard the reason you're not supposed to do that and, like, isolate certain muscles is because of injury. So, like, when you go and you kind of lift, let's say, for your shoulder. Or, what's that? He's trying to block it out. What is that? I don't know what that. What does that mean? Only, only pussies will tell you that.

Yeah. Bro, people. What is that? Neither of us have any blue. I thought it was like some Illuminati. Damn. Are you a part? You're part of the Illuminati?

No, you're not apart? No. No, I'm probably accused of it. Got it. Just wanted to clarify. By the way, I've been doing my hands like this for years. Okay, no, no, no.

That's what I want to know. Okay, because I was actually going to point that out. Everyone's been doing this. Okay. Even I, I'll notice myself doing that ass. I swear to God, Andrew could tape himself wiping his ass and it would catch on. So I don't know, bro. I mean, literally.

Did you get that from Andrew? Bro, you know, it's so funny. Before I ever met Andrew, oddly enough, there's a picture of me at a war room event. Before I met Andrew sitting like this, looking at the guy talking. A lot of people do this. Really?

Andrew made it cool, bro. Andrew made it cool. Bro, it's super comfortable. You've never done this? I do. I catch myself doing it, but I'm like, oh, God. Is this just because Andrew?

Is it in my subconscious? I don't know. bro, you know, look, I've been doing it for a long time, bro. I'm not going to quit. That's someone in the Illuminati, what they would say, though. Maybe, maybe, but there's conspiracy theories everywhere. But anyway, back to what we're saying. Sure.

I also do, I do heavy weight. I believe in doing heavy weight. I'll do weighted pull-ups. I'll strap a 45 around my waist and do pull-ups and things like that. And then I'll rep to fail after, you know. I don't claim to be a fitness guru, but I do think that there's some very, obvious muscle groups that will give you an advantage and give you a huge return on investment of time. And I clearly don't skip leg day. So that's how I look at it. Yeah. So do you think for most

guys, it's better to go to the gym purely for, you know, physically being in better shape? Or do you think it's better for the health reasons? I think everything. Sure. I think mating business, health, bone health, longevity, aging. Motivation. Everything, man. Everything. When I think about working out when it comes to energy particularly, I think about you're doing that work and you're like cranking, like a little toy car.

Yeah, the dial. And like you come out in like this euphoric state, especially if you really went after it. Yeah. Yeah. So I do believe in lifting heavy and then wrapping to fail. People were like, oh, you're up to fail. You're going to burn your muscles down. It's like when girls say, I don't want to work out because I don't want to get big.

It's like, look, sweetheart, like, I don't know what made you think that your genetics are better than every dude in your gym that's working out every day and he's still not big. Like with one-tenth of his testosterone. You're not going to get jacked. Getting the squat rack. So I do, and I call them pinpoint muscle groups. So I only work out these certain muscle groups. I probably don't do in a year any more than 10 or 12 lifts. Like all these people that are mixing it up and like doing kettlebells.

I fucking hate kettlebells. You won't catch me dead doing kettlebells. Hey, kettlebells. Bro, if I, if you catch me doing kettlebells, please kick me in the nuts. Like, it's the dumbest shit on the planet. It's fucking retardant. Liver King sent us a whole bunch of cattle bells. Liver King also lied about a bunch of shit.

But he does the kettlebells for different reasons. is a barbarian. You know what the barbarian workout is? No. You should try it. No. Oh, dude. I carried. It was horrible. He sent them and I was like, I'm going to just try. Would you put your hands on them or something? So you hold, I think it's 70 pound kettlebells in each hand. Yeah, I guess it was 70. Right, right. Okay, you have 20 pound ankle weights on each leg.

You have, what is it, a hundred or so pounds in a backpack, and you're dragging a sled that has like, I think 135 pounds and you have to walk a mile and you can't sit. That's fucking retarded. Why would you say that? Because I'm not trying to be a triathlete. I'm trying to be jacked and explosive. Like, that's dumb. I feel like...

Where is the hypertrophy in that, really? Your calves maybe? Like, you might get lean that way. Okay, cool. We're talking about putting on muscle. I think his thing wasn't so much. It was just like, I'm going to push myself. I think he's on so much gear.

It doesn't matter what he does. It was mental endurance. I think that's what it was. For that. For that, I'm cool with it. If he's going the David Gagin's route, and it's like a mental fortitude thing. He says like a right of passage.

But let's not bullshit. Like, ideally, you would look like a pro athlete, let's say. I think that's the greatest compliment I've ever gotten is when somebody asked me who I played for. You know, I'm like, yeah, well, that's a long time over and I don't like to be Uncle Rico, but thank you. What is it like living life as someone who's six for?

It's like being dealt at least two aces. Really? Yeah, bro, for sure. You're born straight, white, male, and tall. That's at least three aces out of five, you know? You think it's that big of an advantage to be six, four? No, no. I would never like, I don't think just because you're tall, you get ahead in life.

But, I mean, there are certain advantages to it. And I think I'd be a kid to say that that's not true. What are some of the biggest advantages you would say? Girls. The ability to play sports. a certain physical presence in a room. I think it's helped me in leadership of it. But I don't think it makes me a better leader.

You know, I just think it's helpful. But not planes. Not good on planes. Not good on planes. Not good on planes. Not good in Lamborghini. Okay. Right. Right, right, right.

So no sports cars, but you can reach the top aisle, top shelf at the grocery store. Yes. Is that, that ain't help. That's good. I can absolutely do that. Right. You know, there's an obvious thing that I can say that Graham can stand on his wallet, right, you know, which it is what it is. But you know what also, I've thought about this

deeply, actually. If I had not been so tall or would not like gifted so much like physically, I might have created a different strategy in my life and been much better at something else. Does that make sense? It does. I 100% actually agree with you. Yeah. Like I would have been like, okay, you can't play this card in life. You need to hyper focus here. You know, I think life is really like that. I think that life is, you know, evaluating the hand you're dealt and then saying, okay, how can I maximize this? Because everything that's ever happened negative in my life are any disadvantage that I think

I have, like I'm quite dyslexic. Like, I don't read very well at all. My eyes just don't pick the words up. It could be simple. It could be like a child's book. And like I just, whatever the eye flow is, it just doesn't work out very well for me. And I'm like, okay, well, what can I do about it? You know, so I've been able to turn most negative things in my life into positive somehow.

And I think winners do that. I mean, most people, if they have something that seems to be a disadvantage, I try to find a way to make it a superpower. I really do, you know, like I didn't grow up in the best situation. Like, I grew up trailer parks and stuff like that. But for that reason, I believe I had this certain kind of grit or understanding of the world or whatever that I choose to believe. Whether it's true or not, gives me an advantage. And that's just how I choose to frame it.

Do you think there's a disadvantage of being really tall? I think much taller than me, you start to look like a baby giraffe. You know what I'm saying? Okay. You know, except that's like, but you said much taller than you. I mean, like, six foot four. Is there any disadvantage? I would cut it off at six four.

You think that's the optimal height. Six four. Six three, six four. Yeah. But I think six five and definitely six six, you start to look goofy. You know what I mean? Like it's because then they get long. Like it was hard for me to get size because of my height.

I had to work extra hard on like working out to get size on me because my limbs are long. And then once you get to 6.6, it's just kind of weird looking. You know, you're just so much tired than everybody. But if that's the optimal, what downsides have you seen for me yourself? Yes, for yourself. Besides not thinking of Lamborghini. I am curious. I fit in my Lamborghini.

It's close. Okay. Are there certain girls that are like, no. you're too tall at six. Hell no. Hell no. No, I've never had a girl tell me too tall. No. In fact, bro, you see it a lot, man. This is actually something that people talk about online a lot is like girls will put if you're not six foot tall like swipe left. Oh, they do. Yeah. And I think that's ruthless. Yeah, but that's all on social media. Once they meet someone shorter in person, I've seen it firsthand, it goes out the door. It's like when they're on social media,

tender, there's so many options. They have to do things to filter. There has to be like a minimum something on there. They're trying. They're trying. They're trying. of that but yeah i think i think it just depends on on the girl or the guy in the situation but no i've never i've never been high well i tell you i've had a lot of people in my life come to me and say when i first saw you or met you i hated you but after i got to know you i realized i was wrong and so i think that sometimes i might look like a guy that used to pick on them in high school or something and i was a nicest person on my planet in high school like i was class favorite Like I was at my 10-year reunion.

It was one of the best days of my life because people would come up to me and they said, you were very popular, but you're always nice to me. And it means a lot. And it was just like one of the best days I've ever had in my life because it was very fulfilling to hear that, you know, 10 years later. But I have had people judge me based off of my appearance and come to find out later it wasn't positive. I mean, I think my height was probably included in that.

I definitely think like from seeing you online and also seeing you in person, you are a bit intimidating, I would say, based off of your stature, based off the muscles, and also based off of like, just the way that you walk and the way that you show yourself. I've been told that a lot. And on top of that, your stare is very dense. Like when you look at me, your eyebrows, they furrow and they kind of sit low on your forehead and you're like, like, lasers look at. Very serious. Very serious. Yeah. It's just an intense look, which I personally, I don't have a problem with, but I'm trying to understand. Is that something that you learned over time, like through business, you had to have this intense eye contact,

or have you always had this like high level of focus? Well, it was probably construction, probably amplified it. And then also, I do think it's very important to like let people know that you're truly like, I think you can shake a man's hand and look him dead in the eyes and he'll know if you're a snake or not. Because if you can't look him dead in the eyes, how can he trust you in my 20s when I'm shaking some 55 year old white guy's hand and telling him I'm going to hit his schedule? And I had to do that to be able to get a contract for a metal building or to hang these steel jobs. Yeah, it was probably something that I acquired just out of necessity because I was the youngest guy in the room. And I was lucky because I was tall because I looked like a grown ass man, you know, coming, come in because I played college football.

And so I came into my business, man. I was, you know, 6-4, 240, you know, 6-3, 6-4. I'm a little over 6-3 barefoot, you know, like 6 3 and a half barefoot. And so, yeah, I think it was an advantage. to grow a little bit of a beard out and just look people dead in the eye, especially in the construction meetings, because every Tuesday in commercial construction, you know, I have a subcontractor meeting. I was very often the youngest guy in the room. And so I had to use kind of a quiet disposition in body language to be able to set the tone with basically a room full of men that were

older than me, been doing it for longer than I've been alive. On top of being in shape, what would you say are the next things that guys should put high up on there. I would say value tier list. So it's like getting in shape would be like S tier, top tier. I'll put these two next to one another actually because they're really important. But your financial education is huge, obviously. That guys like you. I agree with that. You know, and then understanding female nature, truly understanding it, understanding hypergamy, understanding frame. So explain hypergamy. Sure. So hypergamy is is kind of like an evolutionary theory that women will monkey branch socioeconomically across or up only and that if they're in a position where they could monkey branch up is most

often the time they would leave you i want to be very clear that i'm not talking about how to pick up a woman i'm not talking about how to like hey girl what's up how to text i'm not talking about any of that i'm saying understanding female nature and understanding frame with a woman i think is very important. I think that as much as people want to promote bad bitch culture, that a strong, stoic, not very emotional, understands what he wants, is very direct, takes the lead, opens the doors, takes the male role fully. And a man that understands why that's so important is a man that has a really good opportunity or a really good shot at having a long-term relationship. I believe that when a woman loses respect for you, she stops loving you.

Why would she lose respect for you? Like what would cause that? Maybe you're emotional. Maybe you don't provide in the way that you should. Maybe because you don't provide, she is having to go take on a masculine role out in society, possibly even working for another man. Now I'm not saying there's anything wrong with a woman in the workplace. Clearly, you know how I feel about it. But I think you need to have a strong understanding of.

a woman in her actual true nature, not the agenda that's going on right now, but a woman's true nature. I think a woman that is not influenced by bad bitch culture or by promiscuous culture, etc. Most often, most times, and even the girls that are strikingly beautiful that make a whole bunch of money. I think ultimately they'd like to find a man that they can look up to, that they can submit to, as unpopular as that might be, that they can support on his mission and be a support system to that mission. And they would like a man that would be a leader to them. And I think ultimately they would like to be a wife and I think they'd like to raise children. I don't believe that a huge majority of women want to have these crazy careers. I think they're

There's a lack of good men out there and they have no choice, even the only fans girls. One thing that I'm getting kind of stuck on out of all of that stuff would be the emotionless thing. Not emotionless. Or, okay, sure, maybe not emotionless, but not super emotional, right? Not super. Yeah. So, for example, if a woman knows that she can upset you easily and that you're going to show emotion and act like a child, I believe there should be a bit of dissonance between a man and a woman. Not that men are better, but she should be, she should look up to him in some way.

Respect. Respect, right? If she can do the smallest thing and bring him down to almost a child level where they're going to argue, I don't argue a girls, ever. So what do you do if you get in a disagreement with someone that you're with? Then we can sit knee to knee and have an adult conversation. But there's going to be no yelling. So what's the difference between that and argument? A guy that punches a hole in a wall.

Okay. A guy that slams a door. You know, a guy that can't sit and be with her. You know? I, I, if I'm with a girl, I look at it as my job to be her emotional, stable outlet. I say, I've said on many podcasts, I believe a man's job is to be the mountain

that a woman's emotional waves crash into. Women are more emotional than men. And when men start acting very, emotional in a lot of ways I believe he's telling that woman that he can't emotionally handle the situation and then she loses respect look if he has a hard time at work or something's going wrong or he takes a loss I don't think she's gonna leave him but I think if he if he acts like a child and very very emotional I think she'll start to get nervous and panic because obviously he cannot

handle the situation I do think it's very important for a man to be stoic Am I saying that a man can't have feelings? No, I'm not. No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that he should be the strong one. I believe that the genders are different. They're equal in different ways.

And what loads their value are completely different things. And I think that's completely okay. And I know that if there are more strong men out there, then women could allow themselves to let go and be more feminine. And that's why I really quite enjoy helping. helping young men become strong in every way. What about the hypergamy aspect? Because it does seem like there is this narrative

that women are just going to up and leave as soon as they could find something better. I don't think that's always true. Okay. But I do think frame is very important. Like very non-popular thing for me I've said in the past is that my girl doesn't go on girls trips.

You know, I'm not letting my girl go to Vegas and get drunk with a bunch of girls in a club and there's a bunch of dudes buying bottles all around them. Why would I put her in that position? So we had the same conversation with Fresh and Fit. I said that if my fiancé wants to go, they're friends. It's a birthday party and it's at a club. It's a girl's thing.

I wouldn't be bothered by it. I think it really depends on the situation and the intentions. If it's like, hey, a random Friday night and it's like a recurring thing all the time, it's like, oh, but you're not invited, but there's going to be other guys. But you can't. Then you kind of feel that there's something maybe up. But I think there's so many innocent times where it's like, hey, just going out and having a good time. Yeah, cool, man.

I mean, I think it's different strokes for different people. And I understand where you're coming from. And I don't think that you're wrong. For me, it's a no-go. You know what I've noticed? And I put hard lines in with a woman, particularly around even something like that. I find that they get really turned on by it. It's the weirdest thing.

But I think it's the protective part that you're showing. And I think a lot of women want to be accounted for. To me it seems like they want to be desired. And by you doing that or saying those things or putting that boundary, to me conveys that you're valuing them and you don't want to lose them. And you want to protect it. And you're going to aggressively have protected. And that's the other part about. To me, it's just very primal.

It's like the fighting thing. It doesn't seem to look quite like protecting. It's more so like I really value and they're very desired to you. Right. Very wanted. Right. That I guess is the way. And so.

In that particular scenario, if a woman is just flat out saying, no, I'm going no matter what, she's going to put on her sexiest dress. She's going to put on a push-up bra. She can go out. And she's going to look better that night than she probably looked all week at your house around other men. Probably because women's attention is currency, if you really understand women's nature, they like attention. They do. That's okay. but for a woman to go out, dress up, have her boobs out, have her heels on, have her legs showing,

in a club full of men that are nowhere near me, snow go for me. But how is that different from a guy? I'll give you a nice watch driving a nice car in shape, well-fitted clothes, walking outside, go to the mall. and just why is he doing that? Is that to impress other guys? Is that to get email attention? Probably all of the above.

But I think there's a better example of this. Women that put a lot like bikini photos on Instagram. If you're with it special, dude, if you're married and you have your titties out on Instagram, that's a no go. And I feel like men mess up with the frame part of that. Because if you're, if you're putting yourself online. in that way you are trying to garner attention in some way and you're trying to get that attention outside your husband and so i can tell you that is something i absolutely wouldn't put up with either

and it's it's all kinds of things there's all kinds of different ways i feel like a man can get with byron or even my will call a shit test from a woman you know but uh being friends with your ex guy friends in general there's not a guy friend that exists that doesn't want to sleep with a woman I can't if it were the case then why don't guys have fat girlfriends they generally don't

you don't see do you know a guy that has a friend that's a girl is obese I don't and if the opportunity was presented

to that man he would sleep with her a thousand percent in the time guys play friend zone game all the time so I don't put up

with any girl that I'm seeing see exes or guy friends so don't do it your logic is to protect the woman. You will

draw these lines in the sand establish these boundaries in order to protect the woman or to protect the relationship. Well, the relationship. You know? I mean, I mean, outside of thinking she's going to get mugged, I mean, the very obvious thing is the relationship. And it doesn't mean I don't trust her.

Andrew is very famous for saying, I trust the locks on my Lamborghini, but I don't park it in the hood. I trust my girl, but I ain't going to put her in a club in Vegas. See, I would have also confidence in her, let's say eight friends that she's going out with that they're all going to be looking over each other assuming that you know the friend group you're bro

one of those girls wants dick bad one of those girls maybe two out of the eight are definitely willing to cheat and that's an energy just like the one we talked about with the hiring process I'm telling you girls night wild wine titty's out everybody's looking good

no bro I'm not doing it's just this is so far outside What I'm curious is here's an argument that I heard that actually sounds really great, which was if you can't be the man where she will always independent of every other variable pick you over every other person that exists on this planet, then why is it in your best interest to continue to be with her? If you have two perfect people that are independent in their own regard, they're making good money, they are fully self-sufficient, doing their own thing. And they choose to be with each other, even though they're perfect on their own. That is a relationship that is not based off of any needs.

It's not based off of, hey, like, you know, I'll push and pull, give, get. It's just based off I like you or I love you for who you are and nothing more, nothing less. Let's be together. Cool. And I would follow up to that and say in 2023, that is the, archetype of what a couple should be. Do you agree? Like people are trying to be two individuals. That's one of them. I think it's a very popular one.

And it don't work. The divorce rates are higher than they've ever been. There's more single people. And if you follow Rollo at all, he said, I think it's like by 2040, like half of the women will be childless and not married. Doesn't work. No, I do want to say the divorce rates because that was something. I've looked into in the past.

And I even go so far as to be like statistically what has the highest divorce rates. Usually it's marrying young. But it's also what raises it to the 50% is the second, third, fourth marriages, which have like an 80% failure rate. From what I've seen, people who have an education who make a certain amount of money, I think it was more than like $80,000 a year who marry above the age of 25. I think the divorce rate was more like 25, 30%. It's still high, but still less.

than the 50% when you account for all these other variables. Now, the other thing is that maybe they haven't been married long enough to see the divorce, but they are marrying later with a lower divorce rate so far from what we've seen. Either way, I do believe in generals, and I don't believe in suppressing a person, but also believe in not setting them up to be put in a bad position. That's all. Because, hey, let's just meet for coffee can turn into many things very quickly, especially if the man knows what he's doing.

But see, part of me believes that like if that happens, I would be so glad in a way because, like, I know. If you got cheated on? Because I would know without a shadow of a doubt that's not the person for me. Without, I would have had no doubts in my mind to be able to walk away. Very clearly. Like that to me seems like I would rather just that happen and move on. Right.

And I get that. It would seem like a bit of a relief in a sense. Okay, now I know. There we go. you know and if she would be happy or so by all means like obviously it'd be upset but to me that would just be a clear signal that hey this wasn't meant to be yeah i get it i got a message from a guy today he told me said hey man um my ex cheated with her ex-boyfriend i got a DNA test but she is pregnant with my child bro how do you move forward in that it goes

from hey i'm gonna meet i'm gonna meet kevin to i cheated on you i don't even know if this your kid. It's just, man, there's certain lines. I also feel like there's got to be red flags. There are. And there's and there are micro things like Instagram posts or girls trips are

there's a multitude of different things it could be. You know, guy friends are going to lunch with dudes. Like there's no way. And listen, I'm not trying to be this chauvinistic asshole. I just believe that if you're firm in these things, women respect it. I guess I take the

approach, if someone's going to cheat, they're going to cheat regardless. If you say you can't go to the club, they're going to find a way around it. If that's the objective, I think if a girl really, really, really, really loves you, she don't want to go anyway. I agree. But I don't want to go anyway. I think there's also self-esteem issues. I think there could be issues in the relationship itself where she doesn't feel like she's connected. Now, I'm not saying this is justification, but I could see issues in a relationship that would prompt somebody to want to go and cheat and that type of person who would go and cheat instead of resolving those issues, I don't think as a person that I'd ever want to be involved with. So it just seems like to me that's a filter.

Unfortunately, you have to go through the hard way figuring out, hey, this is not what I want to be involved in. This person is not for me. I would also add to what you just said by saying women generally don't want space until they already have a foot out the door. And so that would be something to consider as well. Just knowing what it looks like, you know, know. So that's my thoughts on it. It's been really good to me. Man, you'd be shocked. You can sit down with a girl. And when she sits down, she's damn near liberal or are bad bitch all the way. And by the time I leave the date, she's very traditional. I've watched girls fall into the feminine frame right in front of me. Many, many times. A lot of women message me even now. And they say,

look, I've watched you on podcast and you've really helped me get in my feminine frame. You've made me a better wife. I get a bunch of messages from women like that. Or asking me for advice because they're madly in love with their husband and he's maybe screw it up. And like, what can I do to wake him up? I really love them and believe him. I think those are the best women ever, as long as they're not indirectly trying to hit

on me. How are they screwing up? Like, in what sense? I'm just curious. I got one today, man. This guy has an addiction problem, you know, and she really loves them. and she really believes in them. And he told her that if they were to have a child, he thinks he would turn around.

And I told her that that's not true, that having a child is not going to change his ways. And I went into fitness. And I wrote her a couple paragraphs. And then I sent her a voice memo about why I thought it was important that he gets sober, get in shape so we can have a clear mind. He probably does want to do better for you. He probably does want to have a family with you. But unless he gets sobered up a bit and gets into some kind of good physical condition,

he'll never have the energy to do so, you know. And so I get messages like that quite a bit. And a lot of women just thank me for almost giving them permission to be what they already are. You know, and, you know, I think each relationship has its own rules and structures. I can tell you, mine do. And they're not, they're traditional and non-traditional in a lot of ways. But there's no mistakes about who the leader is and where the frame is. So I tend to also think that people show themselves very early and that you could learn a lot about a person really from the first.

like few dates, whether or not they're present with you, if they're on their phone. Just like with your employees. If they go and gossip about other people. But those are all red flags that I think, unfortunately, these people don't pay attention to. They don't care. Maybe the other person's hot. And they're just like, you know, I'll put up with more all in this stuff because, you

know what they're good looking. But you know what else I'd argue? Sure. You take the same woman. You've heard a man A and she'll act one way. You give her to man B and she'll act a complete. Completely other way. Women don't text on dates when I'm with them,

but I bet they text on other dates if they're not interested. And that's why becoming the best type of man you can is so important. So if you take religion out of this, let's just take religion out of it for a second. Who is she going to respect more? Some guy that's working valet at the hotel I'm at are Graham Steffen. Let's say y'all are equally attractive. She's like, man, this dude's got a shit together.

He's got this, this, this. I don't think shit together has anything to do with him. Oh, bro. No. Status, status, money. No. You're not fat.

So, so. Like, all these different levels of being a guy out, a thousand percent. I've had completely different experiences. In my early 20s, go on on dates. I was driving a lotus. I had houses. I was, you know, working a good real estate job. They would much rather the dude who's having a fun time with his buddies, carefree, you know, sleeps on his friends.

What age is that? What age? Early 20s. Right. So they call that, they call that the whole phase, right? Right. Sure. So Rolo has a book called The Rational Mail. I believe he covers it there. So he's like from 18 to 27 is what he calls the ho phase. From 28 to like 35, I guess is the epiphany phase. It's the oh shit. I better have babies soon. I got to start taking this serious. So you were dating girls in that phase. Girls were leaving you to have sex with athletes and chads and jocks and bad boys and all those other things. but all things considered let's say a 33 year old woman goes on a date with you and goes on a guy that looks just like you

and you're Graham Stephan and he's not I'm telling you right now she's putting that phone away because it's about the man you become yeah the world treats you different so what if you're what if you're on a date with a woman in that phase how which phase explain it which phase you're talking about like an 18 year old like 20 year old 22 I'm talking about 24. Cool.

So the women I'm dating are within that age room. I got a hack for you. You just provided. Here's the hack. Okay. Date women 28 to 40. I would prefer. Bro, those bitches got snacks, bro.

But I would prefer not. They're the best. They've been divorced already. Crazy sex. They don't expect anything out of you. When I was in college. I had some older girlfriends when I was playing football in college. They were like 30.

I thought I was a big boss. Jack wants to date. You know what? I should be speaking for you. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. So if I'm trying to find my person, right, my lifelong partner and I'm dating women that are in that age range, how do you discern whether or not they're a subscriber of that ideology, right, of that phase or there's someone that's actually looking for their lifetime partner or you find someone in that phase, but you try to get them out of that phase. Like how do you maybe bring someone out of the ho phase? If I were 24, I would not. even be looking for a long-time partner until I was at least 28. And I feel like 28 is pretty young. Because look at it for what it is. Most women marry a man between six and seven years older than them already off the rip. So that means you have to go down to like 18, right? The

problem is she has to get from 18 to like 28. She's going to have certain feelings and want to do certain things in our life and trying to force her not to or like it's it is set up for failure and that goes right in line with what you said about people getting married past 25 if I were you genuinely I would do nothing but get jacked get your money up you're already fucking handsome

this is not man bro fuck you're pussy you can't even fight I'll slap the shit out of you right now let's go right now stop the fuck out of you But, but, but, just take this outside. Okay. No problem. All down the, but the point I'm making is, is girls, your age want me in my age. Most often.

We, we've built everything in our life. I mean, women get their value right off the top for free, right out the gate. They need to try their best to not be promiscuous. So higher value men later would take them seriously. and people ain't going to like that, but I don't care. Men don't want women. Look at what's happening. What is it?

Logan Paul right now. Everybody's making fun of them because his girlfriend fucked everybody. Yeah, but I don't believe. I don't either. I don't either, I don't either, but I'm just giving you an example of the perception of that, right? I actually have no idea and don't care. Yeah. But if I were you, I would put my head down and get so deeply ingrained in fitness.

I'd go box, business, everything that y'all are doing and build. your money and build yourself as a man because I'm telling you what's going to happen. And it's probably already happening to you because you're good looking and shit and you're doing things. Women are just going to jump in front of you. So I truly believe women bet on horses. They look down at the field and they're like, which one of these guys are going to win? And some girls are oftentimes good girls, especially because you're work, work, work, work,

they're just going to jump in front of you and you're just going to run them over and you might end up having a girl. I had a girlfriend for like five or six years in my 20s. She's a bit crazy. And I told her that I was going to have other girlfriends. And she acted like I didn't say it. So I did it. And she'd get mad and just back and forth.

But, you know, I was around her a lot. And if I were you, man, I truly mean this. I wouldn't even be looking for a wife right now. There's so much you have to do. Yeah. And those guys that get married early, they never achieve what they should have achieved. And it doesn't work because he never becomes a man that he could have. Well, I'll say, from my own experience, I didn't truly come into myself until I was probably 20.

Eight. Yeah. Really, I was told, when I was 18, I started working in real estate and I was told people are not really going to take you seriously until you're 25. And like 25 is when it starts to happen because it starts to level out in terms of your maturity. It's like a mental thing about that age too. Yeah, I think it was just relating to other people in such a way that you couldn't do

before the age of 25 because you haven't had the experience. But even me at 25, like I was insecure. I would overthink everything. I wasn't sure of myself. You'd have enough experience. No, I didn't. And you're going to need a lot of experience with women. You're going to need to see how they act.

You know, you're going to need to go through relationships, sleep with someone. I mean, I'm not saying you're not doing that, but, you know, like experience the different parts of the relationships with the girls. I just wouldn't want to see you get your heart in. And I'll tell you another thing, a guy like you particularly, I'm not trying to be your mentor right now, but I'm just using you for an example. A guy like you that's ambitious. That's going to do a lot of good stuff.

you might settle for a girl based off the man you are today when you're going way up here and then that's going to create a whole other problem for you because the girl you can really get at your maturity let's say between 33 and 35 is probably going to be substantially better material probably more beautiful probably a lot of things better than what you can get today and I just believe that to be true and do you believe though that there's value and having someone come up with you and building that shirt thing, not necessarily together. I think that's a bit more of a pipe dream.

My parents spent in high school. My dad was a senior. My mom, I think, was like a junior or so. In the 70s or the 80s, bro. 80s. Yeah. All right. Hey, I don't really have any rebuttal to that.

Can I have this water? Yeah, go for it. Thanks, bro. I don't drink water. He's just coffee. He's insane. Horrible. Insane.

He doesn't drink water. I kid you not. He drinks no water. I do in a protein shake. Okay. Just a protein shake, optimum nutrition. I don't know how he survives. That's wild, bro.

It's coffee's water. Here's the thing about your parents, man. In the 80s, your dad might see one woman every now and then in a Walmart parking lot. That's beautiful. He can live in the same town with her for the next 20 years and might not see her again. Right, but now. That's over. It's over.

It's over, bro. And on a daily basis, you're going to be getting. compared to other men. So a couple of comments about this whole conversation. So being in the dating pool, I've noticed certain girls look for certain things. Not every girl is in that phase. Some girls are not. Some girls clearly are based off the evidence or in my own personal experiences and stuff like that. I would say everybody's a little bit different, different strokes for different folks. There is this phase. Yes, that does exist. I have seen it. But also there are definitely other people that are candidates that are good, open-minded people.

And I do think that there is some merit in growing up with this person because you don't necessarily want somebody to like you just based off of external factors such as how much money you have, right? I think that's such a small component in terms of money because there's always going to be someone else with more money always. Yeah, right. But I think more internal values such as are you an honest person, right? Are you punctual?

Can you rely on this person? Stuff like that are better and stronger foundations to build relationships off of rather than other things that sure could be indicators of those traits, but such as wealth, such as, I don't know, maybe like fancy shoes and stuff like that, you know?

On a scale of 100, what percentage based off where you believe you're going to land as a man? Do you feel like you're already developed? I mean, that's funny because when I was like 19, I thought it was at like 70. And I was just thinking about this. Just like a dickhead 19 year old.

What do you think now? I hope low. I hope I'm at 30, maybe 20. But realistically, I would say I'm at maybe 40. And there's a bunch of things that you don't know that you don't know yet. Myself included. I think it's best for a man to try to develop and really get a grip on his life, who he is, what he wants. Because, well, all I want for anybody that either watches my content, or that's my kid or for somebody I love or for

is for them to have choice, you know, and there's a lot of developing to do before you can even get to a place where you actually know what you want in the first place and what that looks like for you. You're going to change a lot in the next five years. I agree. Astronomically. And what might look good to you today might look horrible in five years. And so if you were married, it doesn't really set you up for success. And I think that's why the failure rate is so high. Now, If you were 35 and she was 25, then maybe you're in the ballpark, but I wouldn't do it until I was in my 30s for sure. I think some of it is coming into who you are, knowing who you are. Yeah, a thousand percent.

That in itself, I think, makes you attractive to more people so that you have more options to pick from. And it's not coming from a place of scarcity. It's really like, you know, I want to be with you not because you're the only option, but because we get along together. But people can also fall for that. at 19 when he thought he was 100% there and his chest was poked out he can talk like a very confident man who knows what he wants he sounds decisive he didn't know at all and neither did I and I can tell you right now I'm still developing as a person I don't even know what percentage I am I hope it's less than 70 for damn sure hope it's 60 I hope I have a lot of growth left in me

But you at 24, man, you're going to do so many things and you're going to grow so much. From 24 to 30 for me, huge deal from 30 to 35, it's probably 10x that. Let me ask you objectively. I'm 33. What growth did you see between 30 and 35? Stress. Stress tolerance. The businesses were growing.

I got down a million bucks one time. I should have went bankrupt. I started to see what was important to me. I made big money for the first time and bought things and did things and really got to experience like full cycle. Like my Lamborghini is cool. I wouldn't trade it for my Ford and it doesn't make my life. It doesn't make me happy.

Growing makes me feel happy. So I have to learn these things about myself. Where are my weaknesses? How can I fill in those weaknesses? You know, everybody has weaknesses. The more you understand yourself, the better. you can build the castle around you, right? Because I don't want to hire another person like me.

I'm me. I need people to cover my blind spots. Where am I not competent? What do I don't know that I don't know? What mentors can I build and learn from? How do I want to align with the values of other people? And do I feel confident in my values? It takes a lot of confidence for me to come on the internet

and say some of the things I say, knowing the amount of hate I'm going to get for it. But I know who I am. And I'm okay with that because my real. real life is so good. There's nothing anybody could ever say to me on the internet that would make me even look twice. They can call me whatever they want. My life is incredible. I am genuinely happy. And it took a lot of pain to get there and it took a lot of understanding of myself. And it took a lot of even forgiving myself on things that I might not be as skilled at or disciplined at. And so I set

up structures to make up for those things because ultimately I want to win. I want to have choice. I want to be an honest person. I definitely want to be myself. Because if I can't be myself, I can't even respect myself when I'm being something fake to somebody else just so they'll like me. I'm one thing away from them not liking me anyway. So fuck them. Have you ever lost a job because someone sees you online? They see the company that you work with and say, I don't want to do it. Anything to do with this guy.

Yeah, I've had that happen with, you know, Andrew. I have. But I don't give a shit. Fuck down. Because for every person that hates me, I feel like I could get 100 X people that love me for who I actually am. Yeah. Someone loving you for who you actually are is a lot more powerful than one person. Yeah.

Like, yeah. More than 10 people who like love you for maybe who they believe you are, but it's not actually who you are. Right. And those people don't even actually know me. Case in point. The whole phone call we had about me coming on here and the risk it is to you. I respect that. I really do.

I don't have a problem with it at all. I'm just glad I got the opportunity for you to get to know who I am. I'm sure there'll be a negative comment on the video if you post it. And if you don't, then I've still enjoyed the help. about I spent a time with you guys and I've been wanting to meet you for a while. So it's good to me. But there's no way I can walk out of here and not know that I gave you myself. And as long as I give myself to you, whether you like it or not, I was true to myself.

And I believe that if there's, what, eight billion people on the planet, bro, if I can have two billion people love me for who I actually am, other six billion can hate my fucking guts because it's very rare that you have that many people or any amount of people actually love you for you actually are and I sleep with no skeletons in my closet and that's a very free feeling for me and I'm able to tell people the truth all the way there's a lot of people that live a life where they can't even be their full self because they're too scared about what other people are going to think of them I can tell you not having that feeling is like having a load taken off of you like nothing else. And a lot of people believe that there's nobody out there that I love them for who they are

for whatever reason. And it's just not true. The good thing about 2023 is that you can go find a group of people that believe in what you believe, that you're kind of like your souls align with. And once you have just a small group of people that love you in that way for exactly who you are, everything else would just be noise and I am very lucky in that way and I have genuine happiness because of it

because I don't have to lie to anybody and I'm very grateful for that and I felt very lucky and very blessed to have that in my life and I had to get to that and it took me about 34 years to do it what pushed you over the edge of getting to that what happened at 34

where pushed you over the edge a little bit I really struggled with guilt all throughout my teens 20s, I felt like I had to come out of the closet and tell everybody that I was not gay, but I really liked women. And I didn't particularly ever believe in, you know, a man like me being monogamous. I just didn't. And I was so scared that people were going to hate me so much for it.

And people do hate me for it. My issue with that is that if I were to tell you that I'm gay, I would be automatically protected. But if I tell you, hey, coming out the closet, I'm super straight. I like women. I'm going to tell them all the truth, but I'm going to have a bunch of girlfriends

and a wife and a family and all this other stuff. People fucking hate you for it. But so many men have a wife and a family and they're watching porn hub every night. Or they're slipping around with their secretary. If I'm nothing, I'm honest. And I give people the opportunity to leave

if they want to. Choice. The only thing I want for myself, for my kids, for my friends, from my family, the people I love. And so if they choose to stay with me after I've told them the truth, or they choose to be with me when I tell them the truth, I'm not a bad guy. Now, it might piss people off. But again, if I were homosexual, I would be celebrated. I'd be a hero. But if I

tell the truth about my sexual preference, I don't have sexual discipline. It's crazy. What do you say to people that say that you could be more disciplined? And just like, About sexual things? Yes. Yeah, cool. Not being promiscuous or being a one person. I get it. I get it.

If there's a pizza sitting on this table right now and you were on a diet and I wasn't and my preference was to eat pizza but I still have a six pack, is it discipline or do I know how to intermittent fast? Do I know how to have what I want in life? It's a preference. I'm not insecure. I don't need attention from it. I like it.

It's not hurting anybody. It's not hurting your wife. It's not hurting your girlfriends. They're all fine with it, right? There's no sacrifice that you're actually making aside from these other people's perceptions that you may not even care about in the first place. My wife, first of all, my wife helps. She's a fan. We bring girls around.

You know? Oh, and by the way, before everybody starts hating on me, go get a man by himself and be like, yo, bro. If your wife said that you could bring a smoking hot 22-year-old blonde over and y'all could both do it. would you do it if he tells you know he's a fucking liar you know what's a liar okay i don't know man i be i will say that i i don't i couldn't do it i'm i'm like one person i just i don't but i think that's how but a bunch of people are wire different but a bunch of people are wire different man it doesn't need to be every guy what be a lot of guys bro in the 90 percentile 90 let's say you said no bro what percentage of man watch point

It's a high percentage. You think it's all those guys. Oh, no, I think it's almost every man. Almost every man. Are you telling me if you had a girlfriend, she was like, hey, I want to bring Shelley over, we want to have sex with you. You would be like, no. I don't know.

It's never happened. Well, you need to have a threesome and you need to get in a fight. Let me. You know, it's actually really funny. So I was talking to this girl. Can I just say something? I'm so sorry. I don't mean to cut you off.

Yeah, yeah. That doesn't make you a man. Sleeping with a bunch of women doesn't make you a man. doesn't make you a man. What makes you a man? What makes you a man is that you know who you are. You stand behind what you believe. You don't put on a mask or tell people what they want to hear so they like you. And you do what you say you're going to do and you're loyal to the people and the commitments that you've made. You can be ethical and find the people that will accept you for who you are. Are there's also good qualities that you'd like in a woman too?

everything you listed you want we're just talking i know but what makes a man i'm just saying i think it makes a solid i think it makes a solid person i'll tell you another thing i don't do and i think it's super lame when i see people do it they'll start their comment on youtube with a real man would who the fuck are you to take somebody's man card from them these people have no photos on their on their account they're probably fat as fuck i could be like a real man's in shape a real man is a millionaire i would never ever, ever attach or say to somebody they're not a real man.

I think that's a dumb ass thing to say. You know, and I don't need the ego boost of like taking their manhood from them. It's like, if I were to tell you, you're not a man because you didn't have a threesome.

It'd be the fucking most asinine thing I could ever say to you or that you didn't get in a fight so you're not a man. That doesn't mean you're not a man. I don't define what makes you a man you do. And so I think that's, I think that's a really great point.

I think for a man and a woman, but it's really just, a solid person, you know? Like, we're not always, like, I can very clearly see that we don't agree on this subject, right? But I've absolutely enjoyed and loved this conversation and really like you both. You know what I'm saying? So, like, why do we, why would we not be friends just because I like to have a couple chicks to the house?

Like, the hell out of here. I'll also never stab you in a back in a deal. I'll tell you another thing I'll never do. I'll never look at your wife crooked or do anything other than say Graham is a fucking man when you go take a piss. because that's what a real friend does for me, a good friend, a loyal friend. You know,

I'd rather punch myself in the fucking face and hit on your wife. You know what I mean? Because if we're friends and I have no honor, then what am I good for? You know, I can be disciplined as hell on this subject, you know, if I need to be.

Case in point, a friend. Guys lose friends all the time. They've had for 30 years because they don't have any options in their life and they get close to that, that girl that was married to his best friend, and then he ends up sleeping with her. Bro,

you don't have many friends in this world. My favorite line from any movie in history is in Tombstone. There's a, there's a shootout guy asked Doc Holliday. He's like, holy shit, man, why'd you help him? He said, because he's my friend. And he goes, man, I got a lot of friends.

And Doc said, I don't. That's my favorite line of any movie ever. Because Doc Holliday understood that in life you're going to have a handful of, friends. And anybody that believes they have more than just a handful probably doesn't have any at all. And that loyalty is something that I really proud myself on having. And I've gotten a good opportunity to take up from my friends recently. And I feel very lucky to be able to do it. Being a good person, like you said, I think it's almost a bi-gender thing. You know, it's being

true to yourself. What are some of the questions you think the viewer should ask themselves that could be productive to observe? So I think, for example, people should always question their relationship with finances, question their relationship with money, ask themselves questions about how they feel about spending money on this versus spending money on this versus saving and stuff like that. That's a good one. Ask themselves questions about their relationships, such as their friendships, why do they value their friends?

What do they value in their friends? Are those good values, period? People that they're dating, parents, etc. What are questions you think the viewers should be asking themselves? Well, first of all, I think all of those things that you just said are incredible. I think that some of the questions should be based off of where you are in your life. Like every person has a life cycle. Every business has a life cycle.

Every career has a life cycle. I would ask myself, not for competition's sake, but maybe how am I doing in comparison to my peers? What can I do to get ahead? What am I doing on a daily basis to set myself up to be successful later? Am I in the right career path? what is the guy 20 years ahead of me that does exactly what I do what is his life like do I want that life I think that's one of the biggest ones you can ask yourself that I remember I was one of the youngest members of the metal building contractors directors association and I'm sitting there and everybody's

like 25 years older than me and I'm looking around at these guys and I asked myself I said do I want this guy's life some of them maybe a lot of them have like heart attacks and construction very stressful. I was like, I'm going to buy real estate very quickly. And the second I started making money, I just started buying it. And the reason I did that is because I looked at their lives and I said, man, no disrespect. They're very helpful. And a lot of them are millionaires. But I don't know that I want this life, not for another 25 or 30 years. So what do I want? For me, it was freedom. And so I started looking out there for people that were living a life that I thought I might want to live. And I think it's very important that when you're looking at these people,

don't make the assumption that you're special. Don't make the assumption that you're going to work harder than them. Don't make the assumption that you're smarter than them because more than likely you're going to run into the same punches that they did and evaluate their situation. Do they make the kind of money you want to make? Are they in the right business vehicle to make that kind of money? Do they have the freedom that you believe you're going to want? Do they have the stress? You know, Do they have the relationships that they want or is work stressing them out so much that they bring it home? There's so many things you can learn about where you're going from the people that are already doing exactly what you believe you want to do. And if you just don't think you're special and you look very closely at all those layers of it, you could reset your trajectory long before you're too late.

Because just like you guys know, if you tilt a plane just 5, 10% in New York City, by the time it was supposed to land in San Diego, it lands in San Francisco. My main question for myself, outside of like my personal integrity, myself and everything we've talked about and being who you actually want to be, would be looking at the people that are 20 years ahead of me and asking myself if I want their life. And for me, I didn't. And so I had to make small adjustments. How did you start buying real estate?

What was the main focus on that? Was it purely just you want cash flow? You want to retire? You want something to fall back on. What was the motivation? You know it was really important to me with real estate is that I didn't want to be that guy that made a bunch of money once. I was actually scared of that.

I don't really care that much about the cash flow at all. I really care about the appreciation because I'm probably going to do the whole buy, borrow, die thing anyway. Trust it. And so for me, I want to be rich for sure. I'm going to be wealthy. Wealthy is, you know, the difference between being rich and being wealthy is one of them is destructible.

One of them is not. Actually, Brandon Carter asked me lately, do you have a money goal? And I said no. And the reason I said no is I really have a layer's goal. I want layer on top of layer, on top of layer, on top of layer of income. That way, I know that no matter what happens in any climate, any condition, anything that comes up for me, I'm impenetrable. So I'm curious what that is, like what your definition of wealth is and what that income layer is for you.

Well, as far as income goes, I mean, to be quite honest, I don't need to make hundreds of millions of dollars. I probably will at the rate that I'm going. And I plan to develop more and do more things because I genuinely like the game and the chase and the climb of business. But I think the happiness thing, I think they've done studies on this. It's like somewhere at like $2 million a year. You're not much happier until you get to like maybe like something stupid like 10. And then that amount of happiness is super small. That was Ty Lopez.

I learned more about that from Ty Lopez and I have anyone else. He said that you don't want to be the dude making like $20, $30 million a year because that person's taking all the hits. They're taking all the criticism. They're taking all the liability. It's the people making one to three that have the best work life balance. They're making enough to pretty much buy whatever they want. But they're flying under the radar in terms of, you know,

of being a punching bag. Right. He said that most people were the happiest in terms of that upper bracket, one to three. Yeah. So what is it for you? Last year I made about five. And you know,

you know what's very humbling about that to me? I met guys like Ed Marlett. Dude has an island. You know what I mean? Like, and somebody told me the other day, it was a negative comment. They're like,

they said something along the lines of like, you're not any effing Elon Musk or Steve Jobs. And I said, you know what, you're absolutely right. And I think that it's important for the young people to really understand this, is that there is such a huge gap between me and that person. That person, let's say they make 75K a year and I make my $5 million or whatever I make, or $3 million or $4 or $7 or whatever it is.

Below 10, I might never, never, never be Steve Jobs. $100 million, $200 million, billionaire, Amazon. right but I can tell you that the gap and happiness between me and Zuck is probably pretty small with less pressure but the gap between me and the person that said that comment is light years so what is your ideal net worth or monthly income that you'd like to strive for like I said it's a layers thing for me you know I'd love to keep making what I'm making right now sometimes I pitch myself and I'm like man there's no way I can keep doing this forever you know You know, because one of my main businesses in this prime, the steel company and everything we're doing online, it keeps growing and growing and growing.

The real estate portfolio. Can you share how that's broken down if you have, is Jacks as a pie chart? Yeah. You have your income. How is that broken down between the businesses? I'll make around four in construction and I'll make one to one five on the internet. And then I'm pushing everything back into the properties because I don't like the debt. atmosphere right now. So I want to drive as much equity as we can into the properties to reduce

the impact of debt service at, you know, 6% rates or an 8% rate. And then some people are holding I oh for us. There's a balloon coming up and I want to be very, very equity strong when that refinance comes. Sure. Now, why would you make less in the construction business? Because it seems to me that's been more. I make the most in construction. Yeah, but I'm just saying like over time, over the next 10 years because you're afraid of just making it. Well, I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll That seems very stable. It's such a long-inting career. I'll tell you why.

I don't think construction's brick and mortar. It's not near as explosive as the internet. And it's also very eat what you kill. I don't think I'll ever start another business where I don't get a lifetime return on investment of energy, or at least a very long one, right? So let's say you hold a property for 20 years

and maybe you exit. Or you hold and borrow against the equity. Insurance company would be a great example. Like I've talked to Ed about possibly starting an insurance company myself, you know, because once you get a client, you're going to have them for quite a while. Construction is very much bid, hope you make money one time, then hunt, hunt, hunt, hunt, hunt. I don't think I'll start another business that is one hunt, one kill and then back to hunting ever, ever again. Seems like you do really well training people how to do construction or some sort of learning, some sort of online, you know, education, company on. Kind of like gym launch, but for construction? Yeah, because I don't, as far as I'm aware,

that doesn't really exist, like a network of contractors, people that want to get into the trades, like if I want to be an electrician, I'm sure it exists, I'm just not aware of it. I would love a community of other like-minded electricians that we could work together, grow together, you know, if I get a referral, I just don't have the time. I could bid it out to someone else. I could refer that. If it's in a different area, there's a network of just bringing people. in. Those people. Those people exist.

Those groups exist. They're just in person. Okay. And they're ran by like 60 year old white men. I mean. So why? It seems like to me that's your perfect business. Well, I'll tell you why.

I'll tell you why. Is because there's a lot, there's a lot of growing pains in construction. And then also right now, as for now, Andrew and I made a deal that we would work together on what we're working on. And so I'm not going to go back on that deal. you know he's been really good to me or team and that's how I look at it so it's very easy decision for me not to do it I get asked to do it all the time and I do think I'd make a shit ton of money but there's other ways to make other businesses and one thing that I really like about the social media thing is that I'm acquiring very very good talent and what I love about having a

brand is it creates a whole different relationship from the start of working with somebody. Previously, in my old life, if somebody came to work for me, it was very much kind of a, I don't want to say mercenary, completely different from the people that want to come work for me now

because they know who I am, they know what I'm about. It's like they already have the core values. They already want to jump in and bang and row the boat and take it places. They already actually like the guy they're working for. which is a very uncommon situation in this world. And so if I can keep acquiring talent off the internet,

if I can continue to buy properties, if I can continue to work with people I care about and there's a purpose and a mission behind it, you know what's so crazy to me is that I get stopped like 20, 30 times a day for photos now, which is very new to me. But what I've noticed about it is instead of saying, hey, like an athlete or an actor, hey, I saw you on the show or hey, you know, I see that

you play for the Dodgers. They're stopping to tell me you changed my life, what you say matters. And I enjoy being a part of that movement. And me and Andrew have done a lot of that together. It's very fulfilling to me. And so for now, until either things change or they never will, who knows, or we do something else. I quite enjoy it. And the money ain't bad, but more importantly, I'm really helping people. And unlike real estate and construction, when you hit a schedule or you give somebody a roof

to put over their head, the people that I'm helping now actually genuinely appreciate it. In construction, no news is good news. In real estate, in real estate, not having a big rent role of people that haven't paid you or is good news. So no news is good news in those businesses. And so when it comes to online or teaching people how to be a contractor, I just don't feel like it's time. And it might never be time. Sure. It's funny. Anytime the property manager calls me, you're like, fuck. Because I know something's broken, like automatically. And they could automatically fix things. I think it's up until like 500 bucks. So I know automatically it's more than $500.00. So I know automatically, it's more than $500.

Yeah. Call me. It's a terrible feeling. Bro. Okay. So we just bought this mobile home park, man. And I guess the old owner would let people pay like on the 25th of the month. And they're just constantly a month late.

I see a rent roll this morning of like, like 16 grand that we have not collected. Now we're still cash flowing. Yeah. We should have been cash flowing 22 grand. Where was the property? It's in Louisiana. Yeah. Yeah.

But it's just. You know, people have to get used to the new management, the new systems. You know, these things happen. I've noticed it seems like older landlords. They don't care as much, especially if the property. They don't because they're always there. They're cutting the grass. The property's paid off.

Oh, yeah. There's less of a concern. They value the peace of mind than collecting a little extra. Yeah. Or making them do it on time. Sure. He doesn't want to. Funny he says.

He owns an electrical company. Really cool, dude. I really like him a lot. Really, really smart man. He really turned. that park around it's really nice he so really it was a really in my opinion like a very fair exchange he like tripled his money over tripled his money but it's still a strong cap rate it's still good after debt service what's the cap rate bro it was like it's got to be bro it's like 12 yeah yeah and the debt

service on it is like 16 but if if we get it 95% and everybody pays rent on time with cash flow 20 22 grant a month. You know, it's worth it. Now, the balloon would come up, you know, because he's doing I-O for us. So we have to go into traditional financing. But I'm actually super hoping in the next couple of years kind of goes the other way. I don't think it could go very much hard. Now, I think it could kind of get stagnant. You want, you mean interest space to go down? I'd love to see them go down. Yeah. I think everybody would. Yeah. And we'll see what happens. I don't know. But even if it doesn't, even if it doesn't, these properties, I think people make a big mistake. by looking at cap rate.

I don't, I don't, I mean, cap rate's great. Cool. You know how the property performs. But I think a big mistake that you can make is not understanding debt service and like understanding where the debt's coming and when it's going to balloon. Even in the cycle, even in the long, like if like you ever watched the Ray Dalio video long term, short term debt cycle? Yes.

Kind of like understanding where you are in that long term, short term debt style, that cycle in regards to whether it's a five year or 15 or. a seven year, whatever the balloon is. Like even now, I'm going to constantly be shopping debt. You know, it's just something I want to do. And then insurances, just everything about it. So, yeah, it's the only thing that's nerve-wracking for me is debt service, really. Because cap-rate's cap-rate.

It's very non-emotional, you know? Yeah. And we're always going to be raising the rents. Isn't that risky, though, that in the event interest rates end up going up five years or not? Isn't that always the risk? Not if you lock in. if you lock in now, then your biggest risk is not maintaining a property. You're having the area deteriorate in value.

Yeah. Then that's the biggest risk. Are you getting, how long has it been since you bought a commercial property? Never bought commercial. So this is commercial. Yeah. So I can't get this fixed rate 30 year. But you can still fix seven, 10 years.

Yeah. That's what I just said, though. And so it's like, okay, where are we in seven years? You know, where are we in three years? Because some of my balloons come up in three. Now, the good news about the ones that come up in three is we have extension options on them to extend where they make more money. We try to offer like a couple different offers. Well, I think the difference here is that you're doing, it seems like interest only balloon payments.

Yeah, they are. So it's lower money up front, more cash flow up front. Way more cash flow. At the risk of five years from now, what happens when that resets versus doing, you know, yeah, I get that. or something for 10 years and the interest rate could bump up a percentage based on.

Yes, sir. But it's certainly better than taking an 8% interest rate from the bank right now. Because I believe if I had to bet, now I'm not super bullish on this. I think after the election

and I don't think it's going to be a lot, just a little bit, like a point or two. That point or two is huge. People don't understand how one point is to a property. one percentage point and to lock that in like to it's all there's been analysis I think one percentage point equates on average it's between 8 to 12 percent of a property's value yeah which is crazy yeah so a million dollars one percent all of a sudden it's a hundred grand off one thing that I'm making for certain that I'm doing is that I have no refinance penalties

and um that makes me feel good because I do believe the and I'm also telling the banks like listen you're giving me this loan you're not giving me a penalty I'll want to refinance with you. Just give me the going rate what's out there right now. So we'll see when I'm very excited about it. They cash flow. There's definitely work to be done. There was some like I bought 64 apartments in December and there's definitely CapEx. The mobile home parks that we have in Ohio are doing well. And I feel good about that. And it's really just about getting all the systems all the way in. Yeah. And getting the plane off the ground, man. Here's an interesting question because you grew up in a in a trailer park right yeah i lived in four on it so i lived in them on and off yeah

what is that like for you owning a trailer park having grown up in one there's a song a country music song called i'm going to be somebody someday uh one of the first things i did was getting my truck and drive through that park listening to that song you heard it no oh yeah you should you should it was it was for my soul, man. It was everything I had ever dreamed of. Like, I always dreamed of, you know, making enough money where I could buy real estate. I own the neighborhood, bro. I own all of it. There's 60 trailers in there. And I see all those mailboxes. I own this place. It's not even about the money. Yeah. You know, I'm not even pocketing the money. It's about the achievement, you know, to me. And the fact that I know that I'm taking care of my future in such a

solid way with such a solid asset you can touch it. I have plenty of crypto. But I'm not I'm not as proud of my crypto as I am my real estate. Yeah. Because it was always my goal. You know, before YouTube got big, real estate was like bigger pockets. You watched your stuff. It was the only thing I knew.

And people forget this. We talk about subscription-based models. Real estate is the OG of the subscription-based model. It's like the OG. And I don't even meet many people. in the self-development space or people that want to get better that don't say they want to own real estate. I actually did it.

It means so much to me and it's completely non-monetary. Do you ever see kids in the trailer park and think, you know, that was me at one point and want to help them out? I have that moment. Yeah. I have that moment. I don't really think, like, I'm open to helping them. I have the, I remember that, you know, and I also have the thought, like, they can

get out of here, you know, and it's up to them to realize that or not. They would come up to me and ask me, which one thing that I haven't experienced yet is that one of my tenants know me, you know, with a lot of people that know me now. I'm sure it's going to happen. And I can't wait to unload onto that. Because it's probably going to be a young man, right? I can't wait to sit them down and tell them. I'll sit right there on that porch with them and tell them they can do it. Because I believe it. I've seen it out. I've lived it. And, um, And I know it's true. It doesn't matter where you come from or what it is.

Like you, if you can flip it into a strength somehow that it makes you stronger, then you can achieve anything you want. How do you think that made you stronger? Like, what was life like growing up in the trailer park? How was it different from an apartment or a house? I lived in bad apartments too. Like, remember when I told you, I lived in a neighborhood where I was kind of like the only white kid? That's why I never, I'll never let a person tell me that race is the reason why they can't make it.

because I know too many people of too many different nationalities, and I believe that real love is dark, and if you really love somebody, you'll shake them and tell them the truth, even at the expense of them getting upset with you. I'll never let them say that because they're short or tall, or Muslim, or Christian,

our atheists, are black or white or Spanish, that they can't achieve what they want to achieve in life. Because I believe that the only people that believe in race are all these other things. are the ones that you're either not willing to do the work or want to get affirmation that they wouldn't have made it anyway. But I don't believe that. And I want there's too, like I have a clip that went really viral about me telling a black

girl that suppression is bullshit and believing in races for broke people. And I got a lot of support from the black community because of it. And my point was is there's too many young black men that follow me that look to me for advice. There's no fucking way. I'm going to let you sit here and say that not in front of me. These young men can do it. And I know they can because I know a bunch of winners. Like, bro, Brandon Carter. If Brandon Carter's

not a winner, I'm not a winner. You know? Like, if that dude's not a winner, Myron and Walt, look what they've done in their lives. I've got teammates from college that have done amazing things. They're black guys. There's no fucking way I'm going to let some 15 year old kid believe he can't succeed in life

because he's black. I grew up in his neighborhood too for a little while. And I grew up in trouble. So fucking what? You know, it really goes back to like, what are you going to, are you going to take control of your life? I always say the best day of a man's life is the day you realizes that nobody's coming to save him. If he can know that and feel peace about it and almost be excited about it because he gets to go fight his own hero's journey,

and he'll win. If he can accept it, he'll win. Because you take entire responsibility for your life. too many people give up responsibility in your life so then point the finger at somebody else. If you take all of it, even when it's not your fault, I've had to do this so many times, particularly around hiring.

You take responsibility for everything, regardless of whose fault it is, or the market, or race, or religion, or who's president. I don't get to a fuck who's president. I'm going to win no matter what your blind grandmother could be president. I'm going to win. I'm going to get up.

I'm going to go to work. I'm going to do the same thing I did yesterday. Because I know what I'm going to do. I agree with that. And I would just, I just refuse to let a, young man believe that based off his skin color. It's bullshit. And if I really love him, I could say the politically correct thing. Like, yeah, I know. You know, you're so suppressed. It's so sad.

Bullshit, bro, you can win. And I'm not going to sit here. You can get mad at me if you want, but I love you enough to tell you the truth because that is the truth. And I know too many winners of all ethnicities, all races, religions, for me to say anything else. And it goes right back to that thing about being true to yourself. I'm not going to sit there and let him believe a lie. not if I can help it because a lot of people have relationships where a guy's fucking up in their life and they're supposed to be friends. That guy walks out of the house at, let's say a group setting, and they talk about how that guy's fucking up. That's not love. Love is taking that motherfucker in the back room. You be like, hey, bro, you're fucking up and I don't care if you're mad at me. You need to fix this shit now.

And you'll stand in the fire of him being angry with you and you don't give a shit because you actually love him. That's what love looks like to me. And that's why always say real love is. start you know I'll tell you another thing if we're in a let's say me I just said this to Ryan today let's say me and you are in a real estate deal and I disagree with you on a subject I'm not going to disagree with you in front of him I'll wait until we get it's just me and you and I'll ruthlessly take up for you because back to the loyalty thing back to the Doc holiday thing I got a bunch of friends I don't I don't have a bunch of friends I got a handful of friends that put on the line for each other, man.

So I think that's good etiquette. Was it Dave Ramsey? We were talking about. You met Dave Ramsey? Yeah, we did. How was that? We should going back in less than a month. Did you all argue?

Little bit. No, we had a conversation. We had a clip that. Is he cool? Yeah, he's amazing. He's awesome. Dave is the nicest guy. Like, I was star,

I was star, I got this super. So cool. You know it's really funny. Because of like the way that like I'm looked at online sometimes. there's people that I assume will hate me. Dave Ramsey's on that list. And then I have a list of people that I really hope I meet them before they get an opinion to me.

Theo Vaughn's number one. Because I mean, bro, I'm both from me. I fucking love Theo Vaughn. And I'm like, I saw him when he was here in Vegas. I'm like, I'm like, please let me meet Theo Vaughn so we can talk about white trash shit and baloney sandwiches on trailer

park porches and alligators and shit like that. before he sees some dumb clip of somebody saying I'm a dickhead. So that's all. Yeah. Yeah. There's definitely a list. Like, do you have like a list of people you want to meet that you've not met yet?

Oh, yeah. We have a whole list. Steve-O was on that list. Really want to meet him. What? He really want to meet Steve. Bro. I bet he's cool as fuck, bro.

Rob Deardick. So Tony Hawk. Jordan Peterson. Jordan Peterson would be on there. Yeah. I actually said some stuff about Jordan recently. On Tom Billy. Yeah.

You know, you know, I won't say I regret it. but I wish I would have framed it differently because I super like him. And I think he's done a lot for society. I think it did come off as though you do like him. So that was just me as a casual viewer. It didn't seem like you like him. It was just the fact that you disagreed with some way that you could have understood what he did as hypocrisy.

Yeah. And I did feel that way a bit. And also I just that morning I watched a video because I brought it up. And that's actually what I don't like about it because I think he's a great man. and I brought it up. And that's kind of what I don't like about it. But I was watching a video. I watched a video about something he was saying about Tate that morning.

It was just on my mind. And I thought to myself, I'm like, this guy definitely knows him. You know, but, you know, it is what it is.

If I saw Jordan Peterson, I tell him how fucking great he is. I mean, he's a very impactful man. And I think he's helped a lot of people. And I really respect him a lot. I think Tom, Bill,

you articulated very well the level of stress and struggle that Jordan Peterson had gone through before he resulted to going on, antidepressants and stuff like that. Which is like, I mean, impossible to conceptual lives. But then also in all fairness, who the fuck I'm out to say that he can't get on? Life is hard, bro.

If antidepressants helped him, I'm not here to judge him. I'm not fucking Jesus. You know what I mean? Like, that's like, I think that's a great model to live by and it's something I've learned

where like beforehand when I was 19 and I thought I knew who I was and who I would be. I would think, no, I know what's best for other people. And I think that's what I don't like about. And I have the ability to judge, other people because I think I know more than they do. But then in the past couple of years, I've had like dose after dose after dose of like, oh, this is kind of what life is like. And it's honestly, it's hard, bro. Opened my brain and removed the capability of judging people.

Not entirely, of course, because everyone judges people. It's just human nature, right? But like, for the most part, yes. I think it's speaking negatively or speaking on someone else. And that was my point with Dave Ramsey. I think, and you would have been in the room. And if it wasn't him, I apologize. We were talking about managing style, and he said one of his biggest regrets early in his career was that he spoke negatively to an employee that they were doing a bad job in front of other people. And he should have done that in private. And it wasn't in front of like a large room.

It doesn't matter. I think it was just in front of other people. And this was early in his career and he apologized to that employee later on and corrected the behavior. But I think it's speaking on other people on public. matters that are maybe for them a little bit more private. Exactly. And that's, that's what I actually don't like about it, regardless of my opinion, because I respect the man. I actually like Michaela. You know what I'm saying? I would love to have her on podcast. Oh, she asked me to come on.

She asked you to come on? Yeah, she did. No, I think it's a sneak attack. I think she saw what I said. So I told her I want to talk to because I wanted to clear this up with her because I actually respect her girl and I like her and I like Jordan. Yeah, just be up fine. Well, I wanted to get her on the phone, but she was kind of cold with me. She's kind of like, oh, we'll just email. I'm just like, sneak attack. It might be worth it. I would do it.

Yeah. Just be up front. Maybe so. Maybe so, man. I've said things online before that I. Great learning experience and just something that, hey, 10 years from it. I'm not scared of it. Yeah.

Here's what I don't want. I, my goal is to love some people. And in the past, a couple of years, I've gone on a lot of shows where it turns into like this angry thing. Bro, I ain't an angry person. Those podcasts will make you sound angry. And I also talk a certain way. You know, I talk kind of aggressively.

I curse a lot, you know. And I just want to have good relationship with people. It's particularly people where, you know, I respect her dad. You know, I don't like what he said about my friend. But that doesn't make me a person that should be judging him. And that's what I don't like. And I brought it up. you know what I mean but any any man's gonna any man that can self-reflect at all

should be able to say that publicly I don't have any issue with that man I know who I am and I like the girl I think she's cool you know I spoke to I've spoken to her previously and um I found her like I found her to be really cool man so maybe I will maybe I'll just reach out to her and just tell her yeah man but and at the very least you hear a different perspective and that's something that I've been really pushing myself on is to hear out other perspectives and pick and choose the things that I resonate myself and then incorporate them into my own life. And that's something that I've been definitely exploring.

You've been doing a good job. Let me just take one minute right here. No, we don't need a minute. 10 seconds. Because when I met Graham and for the first couple of years, I knew him, he was so in his own lane and very, very, very just like stubborn. Just like headstrong.

He knows who he is. These are his opinions and values. And no one can inflict any of their, like opinions or values onto him. But recently, he's been doing a very good job at being truly open-minded. I'm very happy for him. It's actually super easy for me to do it.

Yeah. But on some of those shows, it's not, you know, to hear somebody out. Yeah. But coming on these types of podcasts, and again, I can't emphasize enough, I'm so grateful to the guys that believed in me in the beginning

and brought me on their shows and I will continue to go on their shows. I would just like to represent myself holistically. That's all I'm saying. I do think it's okay to be strong and know what you're about and know what you believe in and not have to shit on people. Let me ask you what would you improve about the red pill space? Where do you think the weaknesses are there that you could help better? There are some really good women in this world.

Really good women, trustworthy, loyal, good mothers. intelligent can help you make money. I'm not saying the rep hill space doesn't say that, but I think by and largely there's a feeling that women are not as smart or they're not as good as men. And I think that men and women are equal because we won't have any humans without women, but in completely different ways in what they bring to the table. And I don't have a problem with that.

You know, I really don't. And I think sometimes, based on how some of the conversations go, and I'm not just talk, I'm not talking about fresh and fit. I'm talking about like the red pill space. That doesn't get projected. I don't feel that gets projected in the correct way. And you ever heard of red pill rage? Red pill rage is this thing that men go through when they get red pilled because they realize and they can see things they've never seen before.

It's a very real thing. I felt a little bit of it before. And I think the full maturity of that is getting to the other side of that, you know, anger when you find out that maybe girls might act a certain way or maybe certain things that you, but like a lot of guys get really, really hurt and damaged because they bring flowers. They do everything she said. They're a simp. They have no frame.

They've watched too many rom-coms. And they think that's how love works. And it doesn't. Not in the real world. And they get really upset when they lose that girl or they can't even get that girl. And she goes for the asshole guy. And when they start to understand some of the things that the red pill space teaches, which by the way, is super, super important right up there with understanding money is female

nature to me after fitness. then they get a little angry and bitter and upset about that. But I think the full maturity of it is to let them know that there are really good women out there and that you can have a good relationship and all women aren't hoes and all women aren't trash. And a lot of them you can work with and make money with because they're smart. My issue with it, what I think that they could improve on is similar to what you said. Like the way that they say things implies and there's a bit of a subtext of like females or women being like in fear. You know what I mean?

Like they're not explicitly saying it, but subconsciously, that would be the way language, language. That women are bad. They're bad. Like language,

I think Tom Billy, you said this, or maybe it was Hormosey. Language is how you understand. Hermosey is second on my list behind Theo of guys I want to meet before they don't like me. Dude, I think he's a shit.

Formos is amazing. But language, language is. His wife, too. That's a great example. Layla's amazing. Lela's awesome. Bro. Yeah, she's incredible. Bro.

Bro. She's a beast. 100%. But anyways, language is the way that you understand it. It's not how you're actually putting out the words. And I think a lot of people can understand that language in a way that shows that women are bad. And it's not explicitly what they're saying. It's not what you're saying is how it's said. It's being the language.

What I don't like is that it seems very victim mentality from what I've seen and heard from the red pill. Well, like, hey, you know, I'm a victim of this and that. Let's go and shit. on the women and banter and bicker about it like that's i slightly disagree with that i think that they're sharing with you the things that can happen to you and what women actually want i do think that's i cannot like i think the red pill space saves lives i really do i think it saves guys from often themselves i really believe this i know that rollo is saying and myron and walt and some of the other guys that are in the space have really helped guys develop in a way and create better goals and start working out, understanding what to look for in a woman.

So they don't, a lot of guys just pick a bad woman because they don't know any better. They go only off of pretty. They don't know the signs they look for. And for that reason, Myron and Walt are saving lives, bro. I'm just keep using them because I'm close to them. But I think they're absolutely necessary, you know? that said, it wouldn't feel right to me to not give the other side of red pill rage and what my experience has been.

And the only thing they can say to me at that point, oh, is because you're a Chad. Okay, cool, bro. But I know a bunch of guys that aren't Chad to have really good relationships with women. There's a lot of good ones out there. You just need to know where to look and define them and how to set your frame up with them. and you also have to maximize every part of your life. So you're in a position where she wants to get inside your frame. Because I think that's mostly what it's about a woman wanting to be inside the frame of a man.

One thing that you said that actually was really interesting is that you don't need to have game. You don't need to be able to spit. You don't need to be able to be smooth with your words and pick up girls and stuff like that. But you need to just be that guy. Yeah. That's what you're saying. Because when you're that guy, you absorb women and they act completely different around you. Which I actually think is like, I don't know how much women prefer to be hit on and have games spit on them and stuff.

Like, I don't know if that makes them necessarily feel that special. But if they see a dude who's just like walking through like a chat, not in the way that, you know what I mean? But like, like being that guy. They're like, oh, you know, I'm interested. But you know what being that guy allows you to do? Just be honest. That's true. See, I think it's just being unapologetically yourself.

If you own whatever you are, even. and whoever's finding that attractive would be, would gravitate. But you know what most often creates the ability to unapologetically be yourself is to handle all those areas of your life. That's actually what gives you the confidence. Yeah. It's the woman that a young man walks up to because he learned how to neg somebody from a pickup coach and say, ah, you're kind of okay or you're a little fat,

to make her feel insecure to even out that balance. That's never going to work long term. But if you're that guy, you can either help her get in shape or you can find a girl that you're actually attracted to and walk right up to her and say, excuse me, I couldn't help but notice you're pretty and it would have bothered me very badly. I'd have been upset with myself. I didn't come say hello. Hi. My name's Justin. What's wrong with that?

Because the truth of the matter is, if you're going to DM a girl and say, hey, I think you're beautiful. Let's go get a drink or whatever that is or Miami or whatever. A hundred guys a day tell her that. and they're not that guy, you can say the exact same thing to that girl and she'll respond completely differently. And that's why I think the red pill is helping a lot of people

because it's putting people on the right purpose to put themselves in a position to be that guy. Yeah, well, I think on that, then it's also the frame and the posture and eye contact and, you know, so many sub-communication. But even online, though. You can walk up and say anything at that point with...

Exactly. I made the joke on it. I think I said it on Fresh and Fit. I said, like, bro, I can literally, you know, you could take a guy who has not taken care of his business in life, right? And he could send 100 messages that says, hey, you're beautiful Miami question mark. You could take a guy that has all of his shit together.

And he could send another 100 messages to that same group of girls and said, hey, dickhead. And the guy that had taken care of his stuff, that is that dude, probably get more responses than the other guy. Ha, ha, you're so mean. Or I'll fight, or just whatever. You know, I really think absorbing women. is way better than chasing him anyway.

If you're that guy and you're around and you're kind and you talk to them and treat them like a person, the craziest thing, people like act like I'm crazy. The fastest way to sleep with a woman is not try to sleep with her. Her whole life, especially beautiful women, her whole life, men are either cat-calling her because they're below her. They're probably well below her and don't think they can get her anyway.

They might as well swing for the fence. Or men are aggressively trying to sleep their whole life she's like dodging penis you know her whole life the second she gets boobs especially beautiful women so if you sit there and treat her like she's not this fucking alien because she's so beautiful right bro she's gonna be like drop her hands she's like wait a second he's not trying to drop boom stick her ass you know what I'm saying you know not going the direction to back yeah but no because now what you're doing is like girls that are like oh this guy's being nice to me he just wants to get in my pants you know what I mean like I feel like that's a dangerous

message to share as well. No, that's not what I'm saying. That's not what I'm saying. What was the boom part then? The boom part is what is this in the boom part? What is this member? Okay. Yeah, it is. But, but the point I'm trying to make is so many guys are very clearly and obviously trying to sleep with the girl, trying to sleep with her. If you can just treat her like a normal person, not put her on a pedestal, but not treat her like shit. And talk to her just like I'm talking to you and get to know that person. Women want connection. You know what I mean?

And if you're able to what? I just thinking of Josh doing that clip. Yeah, that's a way too funny. Wow. Yeah, it is, but it is a really good analogy because men are aggressively hitting on women all the time and she's like, boom, boom, boom, boom, you know, if you can just be there in her space and she's like, man, this person's really nice to me. And I don't, I don't feel like he's like, you know, you know what the difference is?

It's going in with the intention of expecting or wanting something. Yes. Versus not wanting something. You don't want to go into a conversation. Women, meeting something from the other person. Women can sense it. And that's why I don't believe in pickup lines because it's almost like you have your dick behind your back and you're going to get her with it. Like, no, bro.

Like, hey, you look really pretty today. I want to tell you, it would have bothered me if I, like, I literally, I'm literally, why is it always your line? Every time you say. Because it's honest. All right. just completely fucking honest. Say the line. It was,

I just said it a minute ago. It's like, hey, I couldn't help with no. She would have really bothered me if I wouldn't have came to say hello. I felt like a coward. See,

I would have given you my number. Yeah, of course, bro. Because it's also vulnerable. But it's also very bold, especially, you know,

it makes me want to know more. Well, and then also, remember how you said, like I have that presence? Yeah. Bro, I'm looking her dead in the fucking eyes. If you walk up,

like, excuse me. No, I do. I do. I do. I do it. No.

No, no, no. Oh, this is, I'm really glad. I'm really glad you. I'm so glad you said that because I really do like this. I'm like, excuse me. I say it with some bass. Like there's no way she can't hear me. Do you purposely deepen your voice a little bit?

I do it loud enough and deep enough where there's no second guessing. And then I'll tell you another thing that I'll do. I can't think of the last time it didn't work. It's been quite a while. Let's see you're in a grocery store. Women will put themselves in your space if they're interested. If they're not interested in you and it's even a thought that you might hit on her, she'll go the other end of the grocery store.

I've seen so, I'll be, look, let's say I'm at the grocery store, at the gym. And I'm working out. A woman will, I watch women do this all the time. They'll come and they'll start working out, like within 10 to 15 feet of me. Women generally are running from men. So if you're in the grocery store. store in the library, on campus or something like that. You're a young guy.

That girl puts herself in your space. She's trying to tell you to do it. Sometimes. A lot of the time. A lot of the time has been my experience. It's been very rare. And I'll tell you another thing I do to practice that. It's like once a day I try to give a person a compliment where I don't want anything.

That's a good. I like that. I think you say that you were supposed to talk to five strangers a day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One of my favorite.

of them. No, but I did a couple. I did a couple. So one of my favorite things to do is to, is to particularly walk up to a woman and say, hey, excuse me, same way. It's good practice. Excuse me. I don't want anything from you, but I just wanted you to know that I think you look very pretty today. And I love doing it to kind of older ladies, you know. Makes their day a bad. You look really pretty today. Have a good day. And just walk the fuck the fuck away. I'll tell you a couple things that does. That's good for practice. But it's so good. for your soul, man. It's so good for your soul just to give somebody a fucking compliment.

Anytime I'm not feeling like if something bad's going on or whatever, I start complimenting people immediately. And for whatever reason, it like, it like charges my soul. That would stick with a person for probably a few days. Bro, a thousand percent. You walk away and

especially from a tall, handsome motherfucker like me. Show them the bottom two ads. Yeah. But yo, why don't you know you're pretty? Bye. But yeah, man, like, also have this other technique. I don't know. I feel like I'm teaching game.

The technique. Game and talking about fighting. It's like, you're trying to stay away. But I do have this technique called the backboard technique. Okay. So let's say there's a pretty girl in the line with the grocery store. You start a conversation with the old lady in front of you or behind you or in the vicinity. Right.

So she can see your building a rapport with like somebody that's obviously a, It's like a non-sexual thing, right? But that other person gives you validation that you're not a creep. You know what I'm saying? Like you're not being fucking creepy. And so you start that conversation with that person and you can loop around. What do you think about this? You know, that's good.

And that shit works. I'll tell you another thing that works. I love going to honky talks. When I was, I don't know what a honk. It's like a country bar. You know, swinging, spinning the girls, dancing, cowboy boots. I have a rule was called. First of all, I really like.

to dance, but I always say my friends laugh at me. I say, I don't care if she's 80 or 280. I'm dancing with these bitches. And one of the best things you can ever do is walk up to a group of women when there's a very beautiful girl in the group and grab that fat girl and just spin her ass and laugh and cut up and just have a, or the old lady, boom, spinning around. That girl sees you. And you're putting the weird walls down. And you're doing it indirectly. So it's a backboard technique You're not wrong I was a thousand percent right

I was at a bar I was at a bar This was probably like Eight months ago On Catalina Island off of like Bro, I've been there multiple times It's heaven on earth bro Yeah bro

Dude I don't My buddy's got a sailboat I go there all the time It's beautiful Been there three times Anyways Anyways I went to this bar I think I've actually been twice as well

I went to this bar I went to this bar on Catalina Island I was dancing with this old woman Yeah Very old woman But I was so confident I went up on the stage and everything There's a little cage in this bar

I was in the cage dancing with the old woman. Afterwards, this girl comes up to me and he said, Hey, my friend really thought you were cute. Of course she did. And guess what? It was the girl I thought was cute as well. Yeah, it's a keto. It worked out.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, a thousand percent, man. It works every time. It's beautiful. I can't dance. I hate two left feet. I'm fucking bad. I hate it.

I feel so unhappable. After after a desire. Bro, you put me. We're going to try to get a little dance dancing for grand. Bro. You put me, I already, I already wear tight jeans, bro. You put me in some tight jeans and some cowboy boots and a t-shirt,

Bro, fuck shit. Oh, we got to talk about that. On that, just out of curiosity, okay? Is this just the style that you landed on that you were a real, like, big fan of? I'm telling my jeans. Yeah. No, bro. I've tried so hard.

It's so difficult. I have a 32 waist, 36 long, and my quads and hamstrings are. So why don't you just get wider pants? Yeah, custom made. Bro, I've tried. I've tried almost. I'll tell you what happens. It's like, it gets weird in my crotch.

And I want to be stylish, and it doesn't even really bother me. Like, I get it all day long, bro. People hate on me so hard for that shit. Bro, fuck them. I got a world-class ass. Fuck them. I don't care. You don't think that, like, like...

Bro, you're not going to hurt my feelings. No, I'm not trying to hurt your feelings. How bad is this, though? How bad is that? Let me see. It's actually not that bad. Yeah, I mean, it's... Oh, you do have a huge butt.

Yeah, bro. It's tight. Yeah. It's a little tight. I mean, the thing is it fits. It's just a... The in-scene. Do you work out your glutes?

Dude, I squat. Yeah, a lot. You do? Okay. Dude, I spent most of my youth in a squat rack. Yeah. The thing is, when you stand up and you adjust them, they don't look that tight. But when people catch you in precarious situations, maybe they take a stride or something

like that, then it could really grip around the- Bro, to be honest with you, I don't give a shit. Yeah. I really don't care. Then honestly, I think that's what's attractive. Yeah, I really don't care. You don't care. That's, yeah.

I don't, bro. Like, I've tried all kinds of jeans. And, bro, in fact, I, you know, in fact, I. If you were to go to my closet in Louisiana, I better have over 50 pairs, only over trying to find the right fit. You know? But it is what it is, man.

I'm not mad. So they're not skinny jeans. These are like normal jeans. No, they're boot cut jeans. I tell you. I thought they were skinny jeans. Fuck, no, bro.

They're not skinny jeans. They're all. No, they're athletic. They're athletic cut jeans. I'm buying these workout jeans. There's the Walmart jeans that I wear that are boot cut. Yeah. Bro, those aren't skinny jeans.

I can't even get it. my cab in skinny jeans. No, you don't understand. They do, you know how I know. They do a ratio. Whatever your waist is, they do some sort of ratio to your thigh. My waist to thigh ratio doesn't work. You know what I'm saying?

Now, look, I can go get really baggy jeans, but I also look like a fucking goober. Why don't you just wear a belt? I don't look like a skier. I do. But what happens is when I put the belt on, like, so I've tried this, right? I've tried about 36 waist. so my thighs will fit, but it never tailors outright.

And then when I put a belt on, I'm that dude that has pants on that are too big, and it all crinkles off, and it's all right. Custom. I've done custom. I've never found a guy that could make it work, you know? And it is what it is. They don't have enough fabric when they're making the pants.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what it is, man. But you know what? It's never slowed me down. You know? This clip is going to get so many views because it's the equivalent of Ryan Panetta's haircut. Yeah.

Ryan Panetta's haircut is fucking dope. Yeah. You get to cut like once a week. Once a week. It's insane. He has a hair line. I've never seen a hair line like that. It's immaculate.

It is flawless. That is a handsome motherfucker. Oh, yeah. He's gorgeous. Thank, bro. Jesus. Anyway, now I'm going to get called gay. Good.

It's perfect for my hands. People call Graham and I that all the time. Bro, I get called all kinds of shit. Someone commented. Is like, did you see the way Graham looked at Jack the other episode. Are they dating? You know, it's funny about that. You know, like, I, uh-oh.

Going online, you really realize how fucking retarded people can be. Or they got nothing to do. Like, they're talking about my jeans on the internet. And what's funny, what's funny to me, what's funny to me is there's a guy that said that five comments ago, bro, it's not even authentic at this point to make fun of me for my jeans. I get like, I don't give a fuck, man. Fuck you. I truly don't care. But yeah, man, I'm still buying dreams. I try all the time. We constantly buying jeans. I'll come home. I'm not going to say it is, it's the shoes.

I think if you were to wear sneakers, it would balance out the silhouette. Because you're wearing the dress loafer. And I think when you go from jean to loafer, my cowboy boots are asleep too. It tapers. I want it to taper. That's good style. It's good style. I think if you wore a sneaker, like some

Nike sneakers with, I've got barbell. I've got barbell jeans. I've got all these like jeans for people that work out. I've just not found the right pair, man. And honestly, I think it's a good pair of shoes. I think you like it a little bit. And I don't think there's anything. I do. I do.

There we go. There we go. I don't think there's a problem with that. I'm super not sorry about it. Yeah. Like, I wish I could paint them bitches on. Because I got an ass and legs that you ain't never seen, bro. And I worked really hard for it.

And why wear jeans? Why not just go with the short shorts? Like leggings. Short shorts? I do wear short shorts quite a bit. I'm not short shorts. No, no. Above me.

I'll wear like trunk. Trunks above the knee. Above the knee is kind of in style. It is. Yeah. I got a bunch of Nike shorts that I wear with like buttonups and I button them to like right here. So my whole chest is out and shit. It's like a Miami vibe look and I'll wear like the white Nikes with the socks like the halfway socks.

Like. Oh yeah. Yeah. I do that shit. Yeah, I'm sure somebody has something to say about that. But that's pretty much my same response is get some of this because, you know, I work hard for this ass, bro. Should Jack unbutton that top button? Yeah, you look like a nerd, bro.

Really? Yeah, I always tell him. I would do up here if I could, but then Graham would. If you had a chest, you wouldn't. I'd go up chest, check it out. Got plenty of hair there too. It's like a top. See, I think this looks a lot more relaxed.

I do too, man. I like it a lot. Why didn't you say it? If we're boys, wouldn't you tell me? I wasn't really looking for it. Honestly, if I don't notice it other said something. All right, well, now, now I'll just, there we go. I do think you that you should shave your neck.

I did shave my neck. No, I'm talking about it here. I did. Oh, like, see all this under here? Oh, this? Yeah, man. So that beard can come in. No, no, no.

Okay, so my brother told me like, when I first started grinding. Go like this. See this double chin that it makes? Shave all that line? When the fuck did you walk around like this? Well, I'm just saying because if you go right. Yeah, if you go up too high. Then it looks.

No, you should go up to here. Like, I would leave like a half inch underneath it. So it falls under here because you're taking away from your jaw line, bro. It's like you're literally. robbing your own jawline by doing it like that. Yeah, fuck yeah. Because your jaw,

your jaw line is blending into your neck hair. You need to at least come to the underneath part. I can do that. You should. I'll try it out. It's just my brother told me that as soon as I started growing a beer. I've just been doing that my entire life. People that come to me,

they're like, you have a beard. How do you trim it? I say, go like this. Go along the line. No, bro. No,

you need to go like this and shape up to under your jawline and let it go right under your jawline. Because you have this, you have really good beard, like outline, right? Thank you. if you were to shape

you also have a jaw line but you take away from it because it blends into your neck and you're fucking it up yeah yeah anyway I don't know I think it's fine the way it is no it's better it'll be better it other way I don't know what it would look like

we should do it after the show do you have a razor we should get a razor I don't have a razor here what an unused what kind of a man an unused are you gonna tell you tell him a real man

has a loser do you want to do you want to use one Jack do I want to use a You want to use razor? No. No, I don't want to use. No. I just see, I should.

I should use it. I don't use razors. I'll do it. I'll do it when I go home. It's, yeah, yeah. All right. So I'm very open to keep talking to you, but I have to give you guys some shit. Go for you.

So I had to do a little research. And I did. So like Pokemon, yeah? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So this set came from Japan. You can only get it. in Japan. The guy that got it had to go to Japan to get it. So he was super excited by it. I don't know a fucking thing. In fact, there him some kind of Pokemon tournament when I went to the place. If I've ever seen an in sale in real life, it was probably in that room. At the Pokemon convention? I like they were looking at me. Like I had a dick growing out of my forehead. Like, what is this asshole doing it? What's Turbo Chad doing it here?

After this, I got to show you. Buying these collectors call us. But these came from Japan, straight from Japan, never opened. It's so cool. Yeah. Yeah. Do you pop. Wait, so how did you get these from Japan? The guy got them from Japan.

I'm like, what is the most specialty thing you have? He's like, bro, I got this set of cards. Never opened. I had to go to Japan to get it. Is this something that you're supposed to open? No. I would like to open it. No, don't.

Don't ask me. Don't ask me. Well, thank you, man. I appreciate it. That is very nice. That's something you put up like you displayed it. That's kind of how he's, don't know. Yeah, he was like showing off that he had it.

Yeah. You can't get this in America. You got to fly to Japan to get it. That's a smart thing to do. Yeah, it's cool. Do not open that, John. Yeah, it'll probably be worth some. It's worth some money now, but I think it'll be worth money later.

Thanks, man. I appreciate you. I really appreciate your content. I've been watching it for years. Thank you. I enjoyed it. You're way cooler and I thought you'd be. But I'm not surprised.

Anyway, there's this family. I know you do drums, right? All right. There's this family that's supposed to be this special family. and they hand make like I guess what is it called when you hit the like the metal thing

symbol? The symbols, yeah. So this one is a handmade symbol. Are you serious? No. I got to show you the drums. The family, yeah, I don't know fuck about it, but the family made it by hand

and their thumbprints is still on it. Dude, this is insane. You probably know this family. You've heard of these people? Zildgen, of course. Yeah. Oh my gosh. No.

way yeah and um and so here i probably just turn it around but see if i can get it in here somehow all right so whoa i can't play with this kid you're like no you can't just yeah okay good yeah it was like i'll get some beautiful this is number this is number 14 wow oh what wow wow Oh, how are you supposed to display this? I don't know. Yeah, I don't want to touch it. I'm not going to touch it. It comes with sticks, but I mean, this is...

You only got to find a way to frame this. Sick. Dude, thank you so much. Thanks for the cards, man. That's cool, man. You also broke a record on the iced coffee hour. I think it's become apparent. What?

The record we broke today. What was it? Three hours. Oh, yeah, three hours, 45 minutes. 3 35. Yeah, longest podcast we've ever recorded.

Second longest Brett Cooper. Yeah. She was the... Bro, was it? Yeah. No, like.

Speaking to Brett Cooper. Yeah, speaking to Mike. Speaking of Brett Cooper. Bro. I respect her. I think she's a pretty girl. I'm not like crazy attracted to her or anything,

but I super respect her. I hate that she hates me. I don't super care, but I know that if I would have met her in any other circumstance, we get along just fine. Dude,

you should have reached out had her do a message. I should have. Yeah, we had, we had Ben Shapiro on the podcast recently. Bro, I feel the same way about him. I love Ben Shapiro. I love Britt Cooper. I think it's funny that she hates me. Like, I'm not upset about it. She mentioned your jeans too. Of course she did. Of course she did. Like, bro, I'm an easy person to make fun of. Like, and I'm also a person that people would like to make fun of, you know, but I don't get a fuck. It's all good. I still love her. You know, it's all good. And I love Ben Shapiro. So, I don't care. I don't have time to be hating people, man. The wrong energy in the wrong direction.

Well, you know what? You could put it out there. There's a chance she'll see this and you never know what might happen. I don't really have any intentions other than, you know, saying that I don't have anything against her. I like and respect her a lot and I feel the same way about Ben. Oh, yeah. And Jordan Peterson. So if they want to hate me, they can. But I'm a good person. I know that. And I'm very confident that if I were ever to have the opportunity to meet her and she would give me a chance to talk to me. She'd like me. You know, we might agree on one thing or another, there's no way she wouldn't like me. No fucking way. So, cool. Cool. With that said, thank you guys so much for watching. Really appreciate it.

Thank you for being on the longest episode. Yeah, thank you for coming on. This has been great. I've enjoyed it very much. Thank you. Sincerely for the, this is inside. Again, I just got to find a way to frame it. I'm super pumped. So thank you. Let's go check out the drum sites. Sounds good.